Blake Lively’s DUMBEST Legal Moves, with Kjersti Flaa

[00:00:00]Shosti, I have a question for you.

[00:00:02]Cuz I have said that you I assume you know what the Streisand effect is where you end up starting a legal battle in order to vindicate your rights and you end up magnifying your own issues a hundredfold. Blake Lively has now taken that to the next level on steroids. Do Do you think subpoenaing you may have been one of the three dumbest things in this case?

[00:00:28]>> Yeah, there's so many dumb things to choose from, but I think that's definitely up there. I mean, yeah, I mean when you heard about that as a lawyer I mean I Yeah, and and I you know, I'm European. We don't do that kind of stuff in in Europe. They don't even know what that is. So, I was really surprised and of course, we didn't even realize that we were subpoenaed cuz they didn't tell us. So, a lot of people were subpoenaed without even knowing about it. So, it's the craziest uh story and um Yeah, so I think definitely it's up on the top three dumbest things that she did.

[00:01:09]>> you what she I'll tell you one dumb thing that I think happened today. I don't know if we have you know, in the federal courts you probably seen it Shosti. They have PACER which is the fancy legal term for the docket sheet.

[00:01:22]And so, there's an entry today where Blake Lively's lawyers have come in and as they always do, they always overshoot what they should ask for. They cannot They are almost constitutionally incapable of reading the room. And they asked for more and the judge ended up now basically bench slapping them and telling them now now you're limited to 10 pages single space and I don't want to hear any more from you. Where they didn't have a limitation to begin with, they went overboard once again today and Judge Lyman gave him what Judge Lyman does best is you obviously don't know how to play in the sandbox. I'm going to teach you. I It's just astonishing to me uh the the legal lack of legal acumen in this case.

[00:02:11]>> For any of the um our audience that that isn't familiar with it, you did a very now famous interview with Parker Posey and Blake Lively from 2016 regarding a movie called Cafe Society.

[00:02:24]Uh it was made by Woody Allen and you had the temerity as an entertainment journalist to ask the question, "What was it like uh to wear the costumes?" Um something completely and it it was set in the 1930s and it was apparently outrageously offensive and the two of them just began talking to each other.

[00:02:43]It's it's bizarre. I've watched that interview multiple times and one of the questions I had for you kind of beyond the Blake Lively Justin Baldoni saga is just for for anybody who's watching this. You're professional. You've got these two really famous movie stars. Uh um I know you've interviewed over I think 450 people. I watched a bunch of those too uh Shashi just so you know, I loved your interview with Henry Winkler and even Jennifer Aniston. Um I kind of went down the rabbit hole on this.

[00:03:11]But um but what is that like? We've all been in a situation where um we're kind of getting uh almost bullied and what was that like for you? You're professional but they really they just began kind of interviewing each other. Give it a look.

[00:03:29]>> First of all, congrats on your little bump.

[00:03:32]>> Congrats on your little bump.

[00:03:34]>> [laughter] >> What about my bump?

[00:03:38]>> You've got two nice ones.

[00:03:40]>> And these They are kind of bumps, aren't they?

[00:03:43]>> No, not bumps. They're lovely lady lumps. Check it out.

[00:03:47]>> Thank you. Thank you.

[00:03:48]>> Are you like the movie? Are you Woody Allen fan?

[00:03:51]>> I love >> of his movies, and this one was so like visually amazing.

[00:03:55]>> Yeah, it's gorgeous.

[00:03:56]>> Did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you >> Yeah.

[00:04:00]>> Yeah.

[00:04:00]>> And you know, working in digital >> to talk about the clothes, but I wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes.

[00:04:05]>> I would.

[00:04:06]>> I love little Jesse's suits and hats.

[00:04:10]>> His His wardrobe was beautiful. Woody's wardrobe >> He's so great. He's so great. He's >> pants.

[00:04:17]>> I'm sorry to I know.

[00:04:19]>> Okay.

[00:04:20]>> And then the the father with his with his his tank top and hair.

[00:04:22]>> Oh, it's so good.

[00:04:24]>> It's like it's just like that. You could feel it.

[00:04:26]>> and the and the light in the Italian restaurant and the spaghetti?

[00:04:30]>> I thought you really maintained your composure remarkably well, and I and I think it This applies to so many different areas in life, whether it's a job interview, whether it's a work meeting. Um tell us tell us what What was that like when all of a sudden they're turning on you? You The expression on your face was um I mean, you could write a book about it, but but share that with us if you don't mind.

[00:04:55]>> Oh my gosh. So, of course it started off with me saying congrats on your little bump, and I think that little bump now has become like it's been mentioned so many times in her legal filings as well.

[00:05:06]And that it it started like that, and I was like, "Okay, she threw it back at me." And I was like, "Whoa, what happened? Is this her kind of sense of humor?" But then after that, when I asked about the costumes, at first I was like, "Are they joking now?

[00:05:25]Or like is this really happening?" You know, I think there was so many emotions going through my head at the time. It's been a while. I mean, it's 2016, as you said, so it's 10 years ago now. But I do remember the feeling just sitting there at first being really like I don't know. I I just felt like I lost all my confidence, and then I started feeling a bit angry, annoyed and then I was like should I just leave? Should I leave? Should I not leave? And now there was so many emotions going through my head and when I left the room they actually cut off my interview early as well. I was supposed to be there.

[00:06:02]I had a double slot. I was doing this interview for Norwegian television and German television.

[00:06:08]But they cut it off short because I feel like they just thought okay, this is not the best interview so maybe we'll just throw these out of the room.

[00:06:18]So when I left I just I don't know. I just felt really disrespected, you know?

[00:06:26]And and then then you start going in yourself thinking like what did I do?

[00:06:30]What did I do to provoke that kind of behavior? So yeah, there was so many emotions and I didn't realize until after I watched it. I don't know if you noticed but Parker Posey was like rolling her eyes when I left the room.

[00:06:43]>> And Matt noticed. Trust me, Matt noticed.

[00:06:47]>> Yeah. So I'm glad I didn't >> I think he felt disrespected. Yeah, you said you felt disrespected. It's because from any objective viewpoint it was I can't remember an interview that was less respectful than that. And I don't know if that's because you're you're European and you weren't from you know Variety or um TMZ or or something that they immediately recognize but you've had I mean you've had over a hundred million hits on your YouTube channel. You you are kind of a gateway to I guess it's secondary but the Norwegian people in Norway everybody speaks English, right? I or it's very common at least. And I don't know if they just kind of small time you because they didn't they didn't recognize you right away perhaps or I I I don't know how to interpret it but it was she did roll her eyes. Another thing I noticed and and tell me if I'm totally wrong here but it seemed like so your your face was your the expression was professional, but you can tell. And you can also tell as time went on, you could almost almost read all that, but you were you were very well composed. But, I noticed your fingers.

[00:07:52]You were you appeared to be it was like a poker tell. Um you were almost digging your thumbs into your fingers. And I do stuff like that um you you know, in front of juries when I'm like I'm either trying not to laugh at something or I'm or I'm getting really angry and I'm trying not to show it. Am I right on that? Is that something you do all the time, Lizzie?

[00:08:11]>> Very right. Yes.

[00:08:13]Absolutely. That's a very observant thing, actually. I do I do always do that when I do interviews. I do it to remember questions. It's like a thing that I do. And all also, if I if I start to lose like my focus, I will do it as well. So, it's a thing that I know I consciously do, but I noticed that and someone there was like a body language expert that did a video about it and he was talking a lot about how I was doing this. So, yeah.

[00:08:41]>> Of course it was.

[00:08:43]>> So, I did I did do that.

[00:08:45]Um >> Well, tell me a little bit. Why what were they going to have you testify to, if you know?

[00:08:51]About dog whistle?

[00:08:53]>> I don't exactly know, but my what I think, I did speak a little bit to Brian Feldman about this, but um I think it it's you know, because I had all the analytics to my videos. So, I could go into YouTube and actually see what happened to it when you went viral.

[00:09:11]And if anyone was pushing my video, I would see that they were like they the the traffic wasn't organic, you know?

[00:09:19]There would be spikes. There would be something telling that this video didn't go viral by itself, or I could also see if someone paid ads on it. And I think that's the only way you can really push a video, unless you're running an underground untraceable smear campaign.

[00:09:36]But, I So, I could testify to what happened to my video. And as I told Brian Freeman at the time, you know, I received so many DMs from people, like hundreds a day for a long time after I published that video. People saying, you know, I'm so glad that you show this.

[00:09:53]I'm so glad that we know now know who Blake Lively really is. And I can relate to the situation. I've been bullied and I felt exactly like I could see that you felt. So, you know, all these things Those things wouldn't happen unless that video went viral, you know, organically.

[00:10:11]Unless they think they're bots, the ones that wrote me emails and DMs. But, her theories and here's one of the experts I remember said that the reason how they could show that it actually was not a organic was that there was so many likes on the top comments on the video. He did like this long report on how a video can go viral because someone likes the top comments.

[00:10:37]It's so dumb.