“People Have No Idea What's About To Hit Bitcoin" - Michael Saylor Bitcoin Interview

Added: 2026-06-03

[00:00:00]a multi-hundred trillion dollar capital market and this is the most exciting time to be alive in this space. So, I you know, to Fang's point, if you don't get up at 5:00 a.m. and think real hard about it, when you do get up, think real hard about it. The AIs make it easy to think real hard about it. You can literally take every idea people throw out, and put it in the AI and say, "What do you think? Think harder." And so, I I think this is the year where if you have epiphanies and new ideas, and you're inspired and excited, then you're doing it right.

[00:00:39]And if you think, "Uh, this is just like every other year," you're missing it. You're You're missing the opportunity, and that's a tragedy.

[00:00:54]>> Hey guys, welcome to Everyday Finance.

[00:00:56]Michael Saylor contextualizes the persistent concern that a new technology, such as quantum computing, will be Bitcoin's ultimate demise as part of a historical pattern of media-driven fear tales attempting to assert that this time is different.

[00:01:10]Saylor examines the situation via the prism of long-term structural tendencies, arguing that the market is quickly pricing in theoretical anxiety long before it materializes as a technical reality, as opposed to brushing it off or becoming alarmed. He places the emphasis squarely on the real-world factors that contribute to Bitcoin's resiliency, namely its fundamental principles, institutional adoption, political alignment, and significant financial flows, rather than the speculative hype of possible technological challenges. In the end, Saylor contends that these permanent structural pressures are the network's fundamental strength, proving that comprehending these underlying dynamics is crucial for distinguishing between legitimate long-term operational dangers and short-term market theatrics and reactionary noise.

[00:01:54]>> I I I think it's BT it's Bitcoin per share or the rate of change of Bitcoin per share, which is BTC yield. You know, you you kind of you you're you're asking the question at what rate is the company compounding my Bitcoin holdings. We had 50,000 satoshis per share 5 years ago.

[00:02:17]And now we have more than 200,000 satoshis per share. So, that's the that's the focus I would have if I'm a I'm a Bitcoin standard person and a Bitcoin maximalist. The company exists to increase Bitcoin per share for You know, we're we're flattered by any attention from a sovereign. I think we've already got uh investors that represent the government of Norway, the government of Switzerland, uh governments in in uh Korea, um other nation-states. And uh and many of our institutional investors represent, you know, the citizens of the United States or other nations. Uh if uh if someone wants to buy the company or buy into the equity, uh we welcome them. We're a we're literally a public company. We exist so that public entities, whether they're pension funds or endowments or or sovereign wealth funds, you know, would like to buy the equity.

[00:03:16]Um so, it's not really a concern. Um I think the best thing that could happen for the United States is for the people of the United States to be invested in Bitcoin, and we are a gateway for their pensions, their endowments, their institutions, their institutional investors, uh their annuity uh funds, whatever it might be. We're a gateway for them to take uh an interest in Bitcoin or make an investment in Bitcoin either through the equity or through the credit. Uh we feel that we're we have a a trusted responsibility. We're we're basically holding the Bitcoin in trust for all of them.

[00:03:56]Um every entity will do what it will do.

[00:04:00]Sovereigns are already investing in us.

[00:04:02]Hopefully more sovereigns will if everything ends the way we expect. I I don't know why every rational nation wouldn't want to have its citizens invested to a certain degree in digital capital and digital equity or digital credit. That's that's a a tall tale a hard tale. I I I think the historical moment that best explains Bitcoin is great financial crisis and uh and Satoshi's posting of the white paper Halloween 2008 and of course the subsequent um the subsequent uh genesis of the network uh the following January.

[00:04:43]Uh I think I think there's something to be learned from every single historic era and my advice to anybody is with all of your copious free time, I would find your favorite historian and I would just start reading and I would read the history of the Greeks, Asian histories, Middle East histories, Roman histories, medieval histories. I would read the histories of the Europeans in South America. I'd read history of the US before the Revolutionary War, after the Revolutionary War. I'd read the history of Europe in the 19th century then the 20th century. And I think that that there's something to be learned.

[00:05:24]It's humbling. It's invigorating. It's inspirational. It's empowering.

[00:05:29]I don't think you'll ever regret having having gone down the path of uh of reading the story of someone who was as as bright as you trying to do their best in the world struggling through the circumstances in their time period. and when you see how they how they behaved and how they rose to the occasion, that will inspire you to be a better person and it may very well brighten your day and give you the solution to a challenge in your own life.

[00:06:01]I want to thank everybody for your time.

[00:06:03]I think this is just the most exciting year in the history of the industry so far. What we're seeing is is Bitcoin and crypto becoming integrated, tradfi and defi becoming integrated, equity capital markets, credit capital markets, and and crypto capital or or or digital capital markets all becoming integrated. Uh we're seeing the entire world rethink a lot of things. It's rethinking banking, banking banks are entering the space. We never thought that we'd see that.

[00:06:43]We're We're going to see tokenized securities and they're going to be rippling throughout the entire space and they're already having an impact and some of these new ideas as as Fang pointed out, they can go from zero to 500 million in a few weeks. There are going to be ideas that are going from zero to a billion or zero to billions of dollars in a year.

[00:07:06]So, I would encourage everyone to first of all, focus upon digital credit. Think very hard about STRC because because people's knee-jerk reaction is just to sort of say, "It's sort of like something else I know that either didn't work or something else I know and I think I know how to put it in a in the right container."

[00:07:30]But, it really is a new thing and it has new implications for everybody, every business. It and and what we're seeing is the literal digital transformation of a $300 credit market, a $100 trillion equity market, a multi-hundred trillion dollar capital market, and this is the most exciting time to be alive in this space. So, I you know, to Phong's point, if you don't get up at 5:00 a.m. and think real hard about it, when you do get up, think real hard about it. The AIs make it easy to think real hard about it. You can literally take every idea people throw out, put it in the AI and say, "What do you think? Think harder." And so, I I think this is the year where if you have epiphanies and new ideas, and you're inspired and excited, then you're doing it right.

[00:08:26]And if you think, "Ah, this is just like every other year," you're missing it. You're You're missing the opportunity, and that's a tragedy.

[00:08:35]>> Michael Saylor offers a profound 10-year civilizational perspective that views Bitcoin as an asset that is actively incorporated into global power structures rather than working against them, stepping away from short-term trading theories and straightforward price action. A significant political and regulatory shift, marked by a pro-Bitcoin president, a Treasury Secretary who is knowledgeable about digital assets, a constructive SEC Chair, and a Federal Reserve Chair nominee who is aware of its unique use case, highlights this changing structural landscape and has successfully shifted Capital Hill from skepticism to legitimacy. Importantly, the banking industry is shifting from active antagonism to broad involvement, acting as a significant market accelerator by permitting credit to develop directly around Bitcoin. This institutional change can economically outweigh a full year's worth of mining output if only one bank permits Bitcoin-backed credit. As public markets, corporations, and exchange-traded funds ETFs invest heavily to turn Bitcoin from an untouchable fringe asset into a universally sought-after institutional offering, these growing institutional underpinnings offer the larger macroeconomic context required to wonder why theoretical worries like quantum computing continue to dominate headlines as a perceived existential threat.

[00:09:48]>> Um, I think they represent very important optionality uh and and complementary products to STRC. So, we don't think it's in the best interest of the company to retire them.

[00:10:03]Um, by the way, we do think it's in the best interest of the company to retire the six convertible bonds.

[00:10:10]So, and of course the the point is the bonds are debt and there is no shelf registration on them. So, they're not really sources of future uh Bitcoin yield or Bitcoin per share accretion and they're senior to the other credit instruments. So, our view on this is the bonds are liabilities and we will retire them.

[00:10:32]The uh the four perpetual preferreds, strive strive stride stream and strike, they're opportunities.

[00:10:42]To Fang's point, they're undervalued.

[00:10:45]Um, that's why if you look at our weekly filings, we haven't been selling any of those instruments pursuant to those shelf registrations. We think they're undervalued and so the number one thing we're doing to help, if you own any of those four, is we're removing um we're removing liability senior to you. So, we're improving the credit of them by um by um you know, retiring the debt. And the second thing we're doing is we're not selling them, so we're keeping the supply very scarce. So, I would think probably the single most important thing that I could say on this call, if you were an STRF hold or STRD or STRK or STRE is we think they're undervalued we're not selling them.

[00:11:36]Right? And so if you're an investor you know that the company's view is is that over time they should trade up. And so our our view I agree with Phong.

[00:11:48]They're they're in I'll make the other point they're institutional products right now. They're long duration.

[00:11:55]They're more complicated.

[00:11:57]They have more Delta. So they have more Delta, more volatility, more duration and so for the classic retail investor the retail investor just kind of wants pure synthetic yield. They don't want duration and Delta and volatility. They want all that to go away.

[00:12:16]And so STRc is is the flagship for that reason. But there are institutional investors that do want perpetual senior credit instrument or perpetual junior credit instrument or a convertible instrument. And so that's why we leave them outstanding.

[00:12:36]And and we will continue to take actions to improve their credit to improve that should be should be credit positive for them. They should result in the price improving over time at least theoretically. Right?

[00:12:50]The market will decide what happens and the market is kind of above our pay grade in a way. But the strategy of the company is to nurture those four instruments to the benefit of of the company and the investors over the long term. I think that's just an never ending communications mission.

[00:13:09]So you know, we're going to keep communicating. We we do it with hope.com. We do it with strategy.com. I do it on my personal website. Phong and I do it every day on X.

[00:13:20]You know, I've been going on podcasts that are non Bitcoin non crypto podcasts. You know, podcasts targeting millennials and Gen Zs. We're um we're reaching out to to, you know, dividend, you know, and retiree, you know, information channels.

[00:13:40]Obviously, we go on television. You might have noticed that it used to be a, you know, a year ago it was just me on television, and then we went to, you know, to two engines, became Michael and Phong, and we started tag-teaming, and and now it's not like, you know, I stopped going on television. We just go on twice as often. And uh, you know, we're at conferences, every type of conference. We're also I think building an entire cohort of um of other business partners, whether it's uh, you know, Bitcoin treasury companies are on podcasts everywhere, right? And now you've got companies like Strive and digital credit companies that are out there, and and if you look at all the people that are tokenizing STRC in the DeFi space and the crypto space, they're going on all the crypto podcasts, and and their story is, "Hey, we've just found a we've created a yield coin backed by digital credit, and it's only possible because of Bitcoin. Let me remind you why Bitcoin is good again."

[00:14:43]So, I I think, you know, tomorrow I'll go on the Schwab network, you know, in the evening. In the morning, I'll go on Squawk Box. Today, I'm at a I'm at a credit investor conference, right? And uh so, we will basically go to all four corners of the earth talking to every type of audience imaginable to uh spread the gospel of Bitcoin. You know, it's the number one question when you offer even digital credit is, "Well, seems too good to be true. How do you pay 11 and 1/2%?" And the next the next thing is, "Well, let me tell you about this thing called Bitcoin."

[00:15:22]And so, I think that digital credit, you know, digital equity, digital capital, it's a story to be told over and over again through all channels, but my friend Matt says, "You know, Mike, what we learned in politics is after you've told somebody something 42 times, they just barely remember what you said."

[00:15:42]>> Regarding the threat posed by quantum computing, Michael Saylor's final piece of advice is to practice careful, coordinated adaptation rather into fear-driven overreactions that can prematurely introduce completely new protocol weaknesses. In contrast to Willy Woo's focus on the immediate institutional perspective, Saylor promotes measured consensus to maintain network safety without upsetting current stability, even if he acknowledges that quantum technology is a distant reality.

[00:16:09]Woo emphasizes that corporate fiduciaries and sovereign wealth funds with decades-long time horizons view quantum risk as a crucial, immediate obstacle that has already started to construct a structural discount into Bitcoin's pricing against gold, rather than as a theoretical abstraction. Thus, the final conclusion emphasizes that Bitcoin's long-term dominance depends on a delicate dual achievement, upholding the network's complete cryptographic safety through cautious, backward-compatible upgrades while concurrently meeting the strict risk mitigation timelines necessary to gain institutional trust and significant capital allocations.