"I've Never Worked A Day In My Life" The Incredible Story of Mitch

Hinzugefügt: 2026-05-10

[00:00:00]What you have money you have right now?

[00:00:01]Four, five meal like liquid.

[00:00:05]>> Yeah. Yeah. Around five. Did you ever work a normal job?

[00:00:10]>> No. Thank god.

[00:00:12]>> Yesterday I roundtrip $60,000. Actually, it wasn't even like one day, right? It wasn't one. It was like two hours, dude.

[00:00:21]Like, come on.

[00:00:23]If you're going to work at a desk your whole life, you're going to get paid the desk wage. But if you're gonna hustle, what you're about to listen is an interview with Mitch. He was the main character of the previous bull cycle and then something happened to him. But he had a crazy story. Started with less than $100 and ended up with more than $10 million in just one bull cycle. And in this interview, he shares with us how much he still has now, how did he do it before and what is his next play for this next bull market. This is a jam-packed interview. We're going to learn a lot about him as well. I enjoyed this conversation so much and I hope you will enjoy it too.

[00:01:09]>> We had some issues during the recording, so my voice will be slightly lower. It's not a problem because August is the most important one. Are you chilling in the studio?

[00:01:21]>> Yeah, man.

[00:01:24]>> Why? So, usually the lower the quality of the guest, the higher I put the quality of [laughter] >> [ __ ] off.

[00:01:35]Oh god.

[00:01:38]>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm in the studio, man. It's like the third time we meet. Like, I had to >> Hey, I appreciate it, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That's crazy, dude. You're going up. You're going up. No. Is it cuz is it because you're moving or something?

[00:01:53]>> There's that as well. But like also the first time I had a home studio. So if I don't have a home studio, I'm like okay.

[00:01:59]Like it's you know like I feel like we kind of have a bonding now together, man. It's like three years we we talk every six months. I see how you grow up.

[00:02:11]>> Damn, dude. You're like you're like the father I never had to me.

[00:02:15]>> Yeah. [laughter] So real, bro. So real.

[00:02:22]Oh, wow. But isn't Bangkok like where all the actions at?

[00:02:27]I am the action. So where I am?

[00:02:30]>> Damn.

[00:02:32]Damn, that's [laughter] crazy, >> bro. That is the action.

[00:02:37]>> That's crazy.

[00:02:39]>> I've been traveling the past few months.

[00:02:41]I went to Portugal, South Africa, went skiing with my family and stuff. Went a bit to France. So it's like I'm ski Africa.

[00:02:52]>> No, I ski in in the Alps. In the Alps in French, French Alps.

[00:02:57]>> Beautiful. Beautiful.

[00:02:58]>> Ski in South Africa. [laughter] [clears throat] >> That's funny.

[00:03:05]>> Besides that, well, what else? What are you up to with uh what's it called?

[00:03:11]Stock chain.

[00:03:14]>> Oh, uh we just basically try to FUD any coins we can now. [laughter] >> It's literally only bro. It's the only thing you guys are relevant for. It's insane. Like why do you guys just keep FUD [ __ ] for no reason?

[00:03:29]>> So we realize that we make more with impressions by doing that. So [laughter] >> I mean hey g game is game. Game is game.

[00:03:38]Well, like it's >> No, [laughter] no, it's not it's not the case at all. Um I don't know. I think I think it's just you can't talk about the chart going down. I think like I I don't know like I'm not that involved into the posting on social media like actually pretty low involved like I I coach the people doing it and then after like they do their own thing and then probably I need to adjust the the direction of it because I think like some posted like even when I saw it I'm like that why are we saying that like that that doesn't really make sense. Um, but yeah, I mean I've been building a lot like uh in AI. We got a few businesses, two businesses that are launched in AI. I'm launching another one soon.

[00:04:20]>> What does that even mean? Like what do you do in AI?

[00:04:24]>> Um, so like for the ones I can talk about like it's basically AI agent as a service. So let's say you come on our website and then >> we're gonna ask you a few question and then after that we build your AI agent and host it with all the skills and plug-in. You don't need to use any API key or anything or >> but shouldn't you just use claude or grock or some [ __ ] like why would anyone you know use your service and not someone else's?

[00:04:55]>> That's good question. Well, there's no service that is for free because you need the membership for the to pay for the tokens. So, in one way or the other, you're going to pay for tokens, right?

[00:05:08]>> I think like just we make it easier. So, we do sell like open CL and Hermes agent instances >> and they are tailored to your needs and then they are live directly and then they're live 24/7. So, you don't need to go on into something else or whatsoever.

[00:05:26]So let's let's take a use case that could be interesting for you. Let's say you have a few things that you want to monitor every day on like some coins and like some group chat and then on Twitter and things like that like an agent that will be dedicated to your trenching >> then that agent will be better than using uh cloud code for example because cloud code will build your code and it can build a script that you're going to use >> but it's not going to be like uh be able to be self evolving in a way or like to do like a lot of tasks that will be like happening at different times. uh such as giving you always an update on like uh which coin if you say like I'm I'm checking this coin and I want to know how many tweets per day I posted about this coin with the with that in the ticker then it's going to be able to do that and then on top of that I want to know like when there is like x amount of wallets or like you can like you have the freedom and creativity after to to build anything you want on top but that that would be the way like where people will use open claw or Hermes instead of just using a cloud code.

[00:06:39]>> So, have you yourself coded or vibe coded on uh claude or have you done that?

[00:06:46]>> Yeah.

[00:06:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's >> okay. So, do you think >> the business I'm talking about were fully launched by AI agents?

[00:06:54]>> Okay. Okay. Do you think I I draw a line? Uh, do you think I'm at a great disadvantage by not utilizing Claude or anything? Because I haven't even touched AI. I mean, the most AI thing I've ever done is like ask Chad GPT what the weather was, but but that's it. Like, I haven't done [ __ ] when it comes to that.

[00:07:16]So, am I at a great disadvantage in your opinion?

[00:07:21]I don't think so because like you figured out your edge and you doubling down on your edge is more important than anything I think and >> it could be useful in some way if like you talk about I draw line as a branding and a a media that could be like like a person like can I make money is in Claude.

[00:07:55]>> You can, but do you want to?

[00:08:00]>> Yeah. See, that's the thing. Like, >> like if you don't have the spark of curiosity to go into it, >> then maybe it's not. And it's like I think it's it's better that you didn't touch it at all, you know, like that's like like you you go in or you don't go in. But it's like that that's and I think like you had a good approach on that.

[00:08:25]>> But bro, like what if >> but what if in 10 years everyone's going to be using it and and I'm going to be like the [ __ ] unk. I'm going to be the guy in the party sitting in a corner just not talking to anyone, you know? I don't know what the [ __ ] going on.

[00:08:40]>> I don't know. That's That's like my biggest fear.

[00:08:43]>> The answer is in what you just said.

[00:08:46]What if in 10 years people are everyone is using it?

[00:08:52]Obviously, [laughter] everyone's going to be using AI. Like, there's just no way.

[00:08:58]>> No, please. No. [snorts] Like, >> no, dude. I That's the thing. Like, I I get it. the whole like, oh, AI is going to come take her jobs, blah, blah, blah.

[00:09:08]Well, like, dude, I don't know. I just don't have a job, Meech.

[00:09:13]>> That's true. That's the thing.

[00:09:15]>> Have a job.

[00:09:15]>> That's the thing. I I'm a neat, bro. I'm like outside the box, you know? I always forget that, you know. But it is what it is. I'm >> What?

[00:09:26]>> Are you looks maxing?

[00:09:28]>> Am I Looks maxing? No. No. But I probably should.

[00:09:34]I probably should. Why?

[00:09:37]>> Yeah.

[00:09:38]>> You think that's Do you think that's the future? Peptides look maxing. Lux vacaxing.

[00:09:45]>> You're asking the wrong person.

[00:09:47][laughter] >> Why? Why are you the wrong person?

[00:09:52]>> Because I I look [ __ ] great without peptide already.

[00:09:56]>> True.

[00:09:58]>> It's like >> true. You're a handsome You're a handsome fell. That's why you're That's what happened to your channel's name.

[00:10:03]>> Like Yeah. It's like it's actually I was thinking then I was like you know what like four years ago like it was a kind of like not an asset but like a sign if you had a six-pack that is like you can do a hard thing for a while which is like >> what you going to watch what you're going to eat and like have some kind of a calories expenditures that is great enough and now you >> you don't need that anymore and it's kind of like it's so interesting how it goes into other values of society where it change completely. Um because like now like anyone can have a six-pack basically if they just get retouched or any peptide for like three months >> in some type of way like >> does this have anything to do with uh Rasmmer's video yesterday about Redda?

[00:10:58]Oh, Raspberry is blocked on my timeline, so I would >> Oh, why?

[00:11:02]>> No, I'm kidding. [laughter] >> I commented under his video. Uh, not not necessarily him, but I saw a lot of people doing it, but it's just like Yeah, I I don't know because like that's that's the looks maxing, but that comes with another topic I want to >> talk with you actually, which is I think like a lot comes around like basically like taking shortcuts, right? M >> um how much money you have now? Like the first time we talked, >> you were above $10 million.

[00:11:37]>> The second time we And then you came from like nothing. You came from like >> No, wait. The first time we spoke, The first time we spoke, I was like at one or two mil, maybe two, I think. Two, two something. I was in a 10.

[00:11:54]The second time that That way, I put that on the thumbnail, man. No.

[00:11:59][laughter] >> Yeah, cuz you're a [ __ ] Cuz you're a what is it called? You just You just want to get the views, dude. That you just do anything for views. You're a [ __ ] >> That's not even true. That's not even true.

[00:12:12]>> But it is. [laughter] >> I'm not that bad. It's like it's >> No, no, you're not. You're not. No, no, you're not that bad.

[00:12:19]>> But okay. Well, you went to 10M, so I was not wrong.

[00:12:24]>> Yeah. Yeah. No, no. Uh you manifested it.

[00:12:27]>> Yeah. Then after you came back and then it was just the end of the world. You like, "Oh yeah, now I'm only seven figures. I need coming from eight figures to seven figures." [laughter] And then you were freshly banned from X if I'm not wrong. And now it's been like >> half a year.

[00:12:47]>> Now it's been like a year and a half.

[00:12:48]>> You on People don't even know you on X now.

[00:12:51]>> Yeah, dude. It's crazy. Some guy was was sending me a screenshot in a in a group chat on Twitter. He's like, "Yo, let's raid Mitch." And someone was like, "Who's Mitch?" So funny.

[00:13:02]>> Oh, [laughter] I I I you know what? It's fine. I don't think I'm that relevant as well. So, at least we have that in common now.

[00:13:14]>> No, it is what it is. I mean, if you're gonna silence someone, obviously they're not going to be relevant as they used to be. I mean it's a norainer.

[00:13:23]>> Just answer the question. How about your money you have right now?

[00:13:28]>> Uh bro, around the same like since last we spoke genuinely just cuz I spend so much right. So whatever [clears throat] money >> four five me like liquid.

[00:13:41]>> Yeah.

[00:13:42]>> Yeah. Around five.

[00:13:47]>> Did you ever work a normal job?

[00:13:49]>> No. Thank God.

[00:13:52]>> How old are you now?

[00:13:56]>> Um, I reached status, bro. I reached an status. It's over for me. I'm mid20s now.

[00:14:03]>> I I went from early 20s to mid20s. It's over.

[00:14:08]>> Yeah.

[00:14:09]>> Yeah.

[00:14:09]>> That's crazy. But that's >> it's insane when you think about it.

[00:14:16]What do you achieve without working a day in your life, [sighs and gasps] >> dude? But that's the thing. People think we don't work for this [ __ ] but bro, we do. It's just that we do things differently, you know? It's like if you're gonna, you know, if you're going to work at a desk your whole life, you're gonna get paid the desk wage. But if you're gonna hustle, if you're gonna, you know, think outside the box, do it yourself, then, you know, you might you might get rewarded for your work.

[00:14:51]Obviously, it's not going to work 100% of the time, but if you keep trying, eventually it's going to work.

[00:14:58]I mean, if it works, if it works 1% of the time, then you only need to try a hundred times until you succeed. You know what I mean? So, you just got to keep trying.

[00:15:10]Do you think that's like a lot that comes connected to gambling?

[00:15:16]>> Yeah, absolutely. There's there's no denying it. Like, bro, if if you're not going to gamble, then a and I don't mean that in a bad way. I don't mean like, yo, hit the [ __ ] blackjack table. No, I mean like if you're not gonna trade, if you're not gonna do something risky, if you're not going to take risk, then you're never gonna get anywhere in life anywhere.

[00:15:42]>> That's true.

[00:15:43]>> If you're born a billionaire, but besides that, you're you're cut.

[00:15:48]>> It's not even always a gift to be born in a super wealthy family either. from from data points we saw the the happiness from it. So >> it depends.

[00:16:02]>> It depends.

[00:16:03]>> That's true. That's true. Yeah.

[00:16:05]>> And uh with that being the gamble where you think like for you like because you went from meme coins >> to uh also uh doing casino online casino like you love to play a bit of blackjet.

[00:16:24]We know that I went I actually went from blackjack to meme coins and then back to blackjack. So it's a it's a full circle kind of thing.

[00:16:32]>> Why you why you want to give so much money to >> uh [laughter] bro sometimes sometimes you just want to you just want to hit the hit the table dude. What do you mean? You you never hit the tables?

[00:16:48]>> Really rarely really rarely. Last time I did was in uh in South Africa and but I would go like I don't like that's the thing like I would say I don't gamble in the casino. I don't play like casino things. It's not really >> not things.

[00:17:08]>> Huh?

[00:17:09]>> What do you play?

[00:17:09]>> I play the play the game of life, man.

[00:17:13]>> [ __ ] yeah. I mean like besides that though like what kind of casino [laughter] games you play?

[00:17:19]>> Yeah. I don't know. It's like it's like >> because I know like how the odds are and then the thing is but I see like I mean honestly like I got so many deals offered for live streaming gambling and things like that >> and those are juicy deals.

[00:17:35]>> Those are juicy deals way more than >> the stuff I do. So it's like it's it's like that's like >> I feel like the gamblificification of society. I think like you're a product of it and it's such an interesting uh character and profile of it. I I I am a product of it. I'm not like, you know, I'm not promoting it. If you really think about it, it is very [ __ ] grim.

[00:18:04]You know, it is very grim. Like in order for you to be who you want to be in life, uh you know, if you want to be anything, anything worth giving a [ __ ] about, then you're just going to have to gamble. It's it's that simple. Whether it's, you know, on chain, whether it's on purp whether you're on [ __ ] Poly Market, dude, who gives a [ __ ] You're just going to have to do something different.

[00:18:33]>> Mhm.

[00:18:34]That's literally the only way out.

[00:18:36]>> Take taking a risk is a gamble.

[00:18:39]>> Everything's a gamble, brother.

[00:18:40]Everything's a gamble. Uh it's just it just has different odds, you know? It just has different odds. But everything is a gamble. Going to [ __ ] university is a gamble.

[00:18:51]>> It just has way better odds of you uh wage cocking your whole life. Uh you know, if that that was your goal, uh go ahead.

[00:19:01]>> Yeah. But it's just not what I wanna not what I want to be.

[00:19:06]>> Don't want to be a witch.

[00:19:08]>> What do you want to be?

[00:19:10]>> Honestly, dude, I have no [ __ ] idea.

[00:19:14]I have >> riding the wave.

[00:19:16]>> I'm I'm Yeah, I'm just taking it day by day. I mean, I I'm just literally just hanging out every day. I like I don't do [ __ ] dude. I I just be I just be vibing. You know what I mean? So there's no Mitch routine?

[00:19:32]>> Not Not a concrete one. No, I just I just vibe. I just do whatever I want, dude.

[00:19:38]>> So you vibe living?

[00:19:40]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Vibe living. But that's what you do, too.

[00:19:44]>> You could be viing, >> dude. But there's I just don't know how to make money off of it.

[00:19:52]>> Ah, come on.

[00:19:54]>> I don't I don't How am I gonna utilize Claw, dude?

[00:19:58]But that [laughter] I would love I would love to have you like set up clothes and then just like [laughter] having step by step like what the [ __ ] do I do? Like, >> okay. Like, okay, wait. You just tell me. You You set it up and then what?

[00:20:14]Like, what do you even do?

[00:20:15]>> Like, hey, do things like like [laughter] that's the thing like we we like >> come from different paths in life >> which makes like for me there's another day when I wake up I don't have an idea of something that I would like to build.

[00:20:36]I feel like I see a problem and I would like to try to find a way to solve that problem or where I would see an ad online and I would think like oh I think that could be a good business and that comes at a cost because like sometime it would be shiny object where I'm like oh I see something that I want like you on your side you you wake up every day and you live that life of like a a super um how can I put is >> a super wealthy homeless. [laughter] >> That's actually, bro, that is the most accurate description anyone Bro, that you [ __ ] hit it. Yes. A wealthy homeless person. Yes. Precisely.

[00:21:23]>> Yes. It's like he's just happy. Doesn't give a [ __ ] Doesn't have any rules impacting him or whatsoever. Just goes through >> white monster for breakfast. That's your signature.

[00:21:33]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:35]So it's like for you there's nothing to solve in a way but what you will be different it's like you're going to see society in a different way because like I mean uh one could argue like the meme coins you go in to talk about them >> surprisingly they always end up uh in the in the pom fun twitter or the pom fun news. So I don't know what's the connection here. We may talk about that later.

[00:22:05]>> Okay.

[00:22:06]>> Wait, are you are you accusing me, sir?

[00:22:08]Wait, hold on. Are you accusing me of being an insider? Is that the accusation here?

[00:22:16]>> I don't think you're smart enough to be an insider.

[00:22:20]>> [ __ ] off, Antoine. [laughter] Dude, [ __ ] off.

[00:22:24]>> [snorts] >> No, because also the thing is a good insider >> take profit as soon as the information is out.

[00:22:34]>> That's true.

[00:22:35]>> And for knowing your wallets for a while, you don't even take >> I don't take profit. Yeah, I'm a [ __ ] idiot. Yeah, I know. I know. [ __ ] Like >> if there was a king of round trip is you. That's why you don't need to go around like you round trip your whole >> that's you you can >> go on a Monday you're like [ __ ] life is amazing and like look at that it's going up and up and up and then by Saturday you're back at where you started on Monday.

[00:23:01]>> Oh my god dude yesterday I roundtrip $60,000 actually. And it wasn't too.

[00:23:07]>> Oh, you saw that, dude. And it wasn't even, bro. It wasn't even like one day, right? It wasn't one. It was like two hours, dude. Two [ __ ] hours. Like, come on.

[00:23:20]>> Yeah.

[00:23:21]>> And you know, $60,000 in these conditions, that's, you know, that's uh dinner. That can buy you dinner. You know what I mean?

[00:23:31]>> Bit more than dinner, man. [snorts] May maybe yeah a tad bit more than that.

[00:23:36]Yeah.

[00:23:38]>> Well well that's the thing I think like to come back on your uh super wealthy homeless it's just like you're going to be vibing and seeing things so you're going to see trends like I I I could not understand like what goes on in your day like you sometime you play a video game sometime you're going to place a trade.

[00:23:57]I don't even know like for example the one that you ran tripped it like what made you want to take that trade like recently you longed fartcoin I don't know if you're still in the long but um you >> I'm not I'm not I'm not in the long I roundt tripped solder break even >> and if you want to get started in crypto or improve your trading in crypto there's no better place than coinw look at that they even have the stocks listed on it you have all the crypto you want to I got it to bondo. I'm a Gucci man.

[00:24:29]But you can also copy trade the best trader on chain and that's really amazing. As I say, it's no KYC. So you could try it easily. And if your country is blocked, well, I'm not going to tell you how, but you know how you can change the location of your connection with an easy thing that sponsors all the YouTube video. Plus, if you use the code in the description with my link, you get thousands of dollars, five to be exact, just by clicking that link. So, what are you waiting for? Go on it, try it for yourself, make your own opinion.

[00:25:11]I longed it today. Uh, sorry, I longed it yesterday again, like after it hit my stop-loss. I sold it today, made 13 12K, something like that. Uh- which is like it's it's whatever for me. And then when I initially longed it, my whole thesis was that okay, the chart looks good, the coin looks good, the vibes are there, like I can feel it. It can go up and you know, if BTC goes up by like 3%, Fartcoin is going to print a 10% candle.

[00:25:47]If I buy Yeah. If I buy 600 700K and it goes up 10%, that's like $70K in profit.

[00:25:55]Uh I'm I'm a happy camper, you know, for the week, you know. Um that's like my productivity, I guess. It's it is what it is, you know. So, >> what made you want to long fcoin, for example?

[00:26:09]>> Okay. So, I spoke about this on my telegram and uh if my editor's clipping this then uh I'm I'll send him the post also. Uh I spoke about this like the exact trades that I exact coins that I trade, right? So I focus on BTC, Soul, ETH. These are like the main three, right? These are the most liquid coins.

[00:26:30]You can literally market long, market short, doesn't matter. You don't need to place orders anyway. So So it's like it's easy peasy. Uh other coins, uh the ones that um I might swing trade are like coins with reoccurring revenue. So that's going to be Hyperlid and Pump Fun. Both these coins are decent uh for you know for swing trading you know catch like a 20% move to the upside or the downside and uh when it comes to like risk on and it doesn't have to be like yo it's time to all in full port every single dollar you have just people sigh upping each other and themselves into thinking hey risk is on the first coin that they're going to buy is fartcoin.

[00:27:20]That has been the trend for the past like two years probably since it came out >> almost two years like a year and a half I think. Uh it's just people just buying fartcoin whenever risk is on or whenever they think that risk is on. So it's like >> what do you mean by risk is on?

[00:27:40]>> As in like markets looking good. It's time to expose ourselves into some into some coins and Yeah. Okay. So they just basically you buying Fcoin it's just you feel like the global market of crypto is going to go up >> or green.

[00:27:54]>> Yeah.

[00:27:54]>> And you think that um Fcoin is a leverage bet on the global market. It is >> undoubted. Yeah.

[00:28:05]>> Why not just longing Bitcoin with a higher leverage for example?

[00:28:12]>> I also do that. I do both.

[00:28:15]>> [laughter] >> I do both.

[00:28:16]>> You know, normally seasoned traders, they edge their bets.

[00:28:22][laughter] >> You did the reverse hedging. You double the bets.

[00:28:27]>> There's There's no time There's no time to hedge, brother. There's no time to hedge. You have like two, three years to make it and you're pretty much cooked after that. There's no [ __ ] time to hedge. You either You either make it or you don't. No, I'm I'm kidding. But yeah, of course you do have to manage your risk and your uh you know your exposure basically to the market. I try not to lose more than I'd say like 5% of my port in one trade.

[00:28:55]>> I interesting.

[00:28:57]>> What do you qualify your port? Is it like how much you have available on chain or how do we size?

[00:29:04]>> It's like how much I have on my uh like Binance account. Yeah.

[00:29:09]>> Okay. Okay. Interesting. So, you would never you not risk more than 5%.

[00:29:17]>> Nah. Look, if if I lose >> I knew that was taking risk, honestly.

[00:29:21]Like, what the [ __ ] am I going to do about a guy that can take risk only 5% of his portfolio?

[00:29:27]>> No. No. But that's only because listen, listen, Antoine, that's only because it's the bare market, right?

[00:29:33]>> When you lose that when you lose that 5%. Okay, let me tell you. if I lose like 5% on chain, right? It's uh it's a PVP game, let's just say on chain, right?

[00:29:45]So, if someone gets my money, then who knows? In two weeks, I might get it back in better conditions, right? But since this is like, you know, we're in really bearish conditions, uh things are not looking that great for crypto, right? So if I lose that 5% I lost it for good, right? I lost it for good. Not in the bull market. I lost it in the worst conditions in a long time. So I'd rather not lose.

[00:30:19]>> That's a very good point.

[00:30:20]>> Capital preservation like right now is way more important than making money.

[00:30:26]>> Wow.

[00:30:26]>> Yeah.

[00:30:27]>> Big Mitch saying to do capital preservation. [laughter] I didn't have that in my bingo card of 2026.

[00:30:35]>> That's insane, >> dude. You sometimes you have to like these conditions are [ __ ] grim, bro.

[00:30:41]Like you should see see my DMs. No.

[00:30:45]>> Uh I mean I I tried crypto like as a newbie in 22. I guess that was my first bare market, but that's when I joined.

[00:30:55]Like I joined in the bare market, >> but I failed miserably, so it doesn't matter.

[00:31:00]Yeah. [clears throat] Also, you didn't have much like stake in it. I mean, no way.

[00:31:04]>> Change your lifestyle. Still living in the basement.

[00:31:08]>> In a basement.

[00:31:09]>> Yeah.

[00:31:10]>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Now that's that's a really different things actually. Like, what did it make you feel like to see all those numbers going red and then keep going down and down and down? Like, what was it like?

[00:31:24]>> Mentally ill, bro. Mentally ill. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to make enough money to service my car. Dude, my car is not working. I I'm trying to service it. That's all That's all I care about. Is it?

[00:31:37]>> No, I don't lying.

[00:31:39]>> No.

[00:31:42]Which one?

[00:31:44]No. Yeah. Like how was it mentally? How was like your past eight months? I would say >> past eight months. Uh >> yeah.

[00:31:55]Fine, bro. It's It's the same really.

[00:31:58]Every day, wake up, white monster, go for a drive, uh, be an eat, just do whatever, go shopping, go whatever, work out, [ __ ] go play League of Legends.

[00:32:10]It's like every day is the same. It's the same [ __ ] It's just that I have >> Was it a day where you thought about like >> is Was there a day where you thought like, "Oh, this is getting too hard. I'm I'm leaving crypto.

[00:32:24][laughter] >> Uh, [ __ ] dude. Honestly, no. I don't think so. I I love crypto.

[00:32:31]>> Yeah, bro. I love crypto. Like so many bro, that's the thing. Crypto is one of these industries where if you're in public, right, if if if you're like hanging out with like five different people and you just mentioned that you're in crypto, everyone's going to have a certain opinion about it and they're going to think of you like a in a completely different way and 90% of the time it's going to be like negative.

[00:32:56]They either going to think, "Oh, you're a scammer." Or they're either going to think, "Oh, you're a [ __ ] >> I don't know. you you you're just a gambler that didn't make it or something like that there. People are just going to keep making assumptions about crypto, bro. It's so [ __ ] tiring.

[00:33:11]>> I mean, I guess it goes both ways, right? Because also the people in crypto are not the best people at the same time. I mean, we're like the most >> um hacked industry like we just keep getting exploited over and over again.

[00:33:26]Wasn't there like a what was it like an Ethereum exploit that and they stole like a couple hundred mil like last week and it just keeps happening like every two weeks.

[00:33:37]It's insane.

[00:33:39]>> It is. Yeah, for sure. There's so many ways to get graped in uh in crypto.

[00:33:46]That's I guess that's where it's creative.

[00:33:49]>> Graped. Yeah.

[00:33:50]>> In some type of some type of way.

[00:33:53]>> Yeah. And also a lot of people I feel like a lot of people did actually lose money on crypto. Think about it. How many people bought Dogecoin and Sheba Enu and you whatever [ __ ] coin I I bet a lot of people did.

[00:34:07]>> You can name retardio as well.

[00:34:10]>> I mean [ __ ] it, dude. Retardio as well.

[00:34:12]I'm down on Retardio. Can you believe that, Antoine?

[00:34:15]>> No. No.

[00:34:17]>> No. I swear I'm down on Retardio, dude.

[00:34:19]>> No. Mitch, me, you can you can lie a little bit, but you cannot say a lie like this size, >> bro. That's the thing. It's so I get it.

[00:34:28]Like a lot of people don't actually believe it because with the whole like the popularity of, you know, multi-walleting and all of that [ __ ] >> Yeah. How many how many wallets you honestly trade with >> right now? One.

[00:34:45]Well, actually two. I I do have a challenge wallet. I um now >> Yeah, I have two wallets. So, I have a challenge wallet that I'm doing like $20 to a million. Uh don't ask where I'm at.

[00:34:59]Uh and I have another wallet.

[00:35:02]>> Where are you Where are you now? Where are you now? Like >> Oh, wow. I'm I'm at like $2,000.

[00:35:08]>> That's pretty good, though.

[00:35:10]>> That is pretty good. But I've been stuck there for like a month now. [laughter] So, >> yeah. I need like a nondoc wallet like it's is something.

[00:35:18]>> Yeah, it's undoc Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to do it. I don't want I want to get to a million and then dox it. Yeah.

[00:35:25]>> Yeah. So, what you do is basically you buy with the non-doc wallet, then you buy with the doc wallet that >> No, no. I I never do. I never do that.

[00:35:34]No, no, no. I don't do that.

[00:35:35]>> We know Mitch. I work in marketing as well. It's okay. [laughter] [clears throat] >> No, no, no. It's okay. It's okay.

[00:35:42]interested to know actually how do you trade >> without your audience and or without your kind of like aura if we >> Well, why why do you think why do you think I've been stuck at $2,000 for a month? It's cuz it's really it's really difficult to trade.

[00:36:00][laughter] That's the thing. Listen, listen, Antoine, I have no audience, so it's just myself. I don't have a Twitter, so I can't see any [ __ ] coins. All I have to go like, bro, I I I just have to see a coin and go with my gut. That's it. That's literally it.

[00:36:21]>> Yeah. I don't I don't check for bundles.

[00:36:23]I don't check for supply. I don't check nothing. I just go with whatever. I just click buy. Dude, the other day I bought a Lexa Procoin and I think two on that wallet I bought two Lexa Pro coins and both of them are down 99%.

[00:36:39]It's like I can't [ __ ] win, dude.

[00:36:42]>> I buy a coin shield by an influencer and then just goes down.

[00:36:46]>> Okay, that's what you you call Alexa Procoin.

[00:36:50]>> It's a coin that he he's in.

[00:36:53]>> I guess >> any coin he shows is down%. So funny.

[00:37:00]>> I mean, any coins in general, >> it's down 99%. Yeah, I know. I know.

[00:37:05]Yeah, it's like there's like nothing.

[00:37:09]>> It's just not like it used to be our old days, you know? That's just not how it is.

[00:37:15]>> Yeah. Game has definitely changed.

[00:37:17]That's for sure.

[00:37:19]>> Yeah. I saw you were you were a little bit we say angry or not even not angry but annoyed by the trenches >> and then the way it is that people are not working that you >> was the hardest working nword >> so real so real antoine thank you thank you I didn't pay you to say that by the way thank you very much >> I'm not saying it I say you were saying No, no, no. You just said it though. You just said it though. Hold on. [laughter] >> Oh god.

[00:37:56]>> Like, >> but but but for real, I really was.

[00:37:59]Think about it, Antoine. I shield the same coin when I had 10 followers. I shielded to 200,000 people. No one has ever done that. Like, bro, it's it's kind of generational. I'm not gonna lie.

[00:38:17]I mean just just to grow the audience like from nothing to a a big amount enough on uh >> on X that people would see you as a as a plant of the industry or insiders or something like that and it's like already that you made it like so big >> and and and that's that's the thing.

[00:38:40]Yeah. was it's like I'm not it back then when you bought a Mitch coin you know Mitchech will uh will push it for a while like you knew it was a coin that's not going to >> die directly >> and I still do >> copy trading Mitch is different that's a different story probably should not have done that anyone would try but yeah >> we we don't talk about that we we do not talk about [laughter] >> [clears throat] >> I mean, if you legitimately never sold any coins you were truly believing in, I I just wonder where you made your money.

[00:39:19]>> Uh, Antoine, I told you this. You can go watch your first interview. Um, which by the way, damn, that's that shit's doing well. It has like what 300,000 views almost or something like that. That's crazy. But, um, yeah, I told you I was trading on another wallet. the wallet I catch big coins on and the one that I actually sell coins on.

[00:39:44]If you remember at that time it was like uh Andrew Tate's coin that we're not going to name because we want to get you monetized for this one.

[00:39:52]>> And uh what other coin I mean these are the coins that started it right? It was Andrew Tate, Popcats, a bunch of other coins and it was like $4,000 to like millions. It was insane. Yeah, >> it was absolutely insane.

[00:40:09]>> Yeah, that's true. That's that's the thing. Like now you can't hold a coin for a day.

[00:40:14]>> You cannot you No, sir. No, sir. You can't.

[00:40:17]>> The only coins you can hold are like really bundled ones. And even that, you're just praying. You're just praying that they don't sell the bundle.

[00:40:24]>> Pray that the bundle is nice. Yeah, >> like the ones that have like they have a marketing plan and then a budget and then they're going to go and then >> it's it's complicated to to identify them. I guess >> you cannot you simply cannot >> cuz cuz how can you identify human error? Like bro, the the guy it's just one person that's holding 70% of the supply. That guy can wake up one day, his grandma could be in the hospital and he's like, "Well, [ __ ] it. I'm just going to have to sell and pay her medical bills and he can just sell. So >> beautiful in a way if it's for that.

[00:41:04][laughter] >> It's well spent.

[00:41:07]>> Nah. [ __ ] that [ __ ] [ __ ] that [ __ ] His grandma's not paying for my Ferrari, bro.

[00:41:13]>> Yeah, but you don't you think too short short time like his grandma's going to die at some point >> and he's going to have inheritance. That inheritance, he's going to get it as free money. He's going to gamble it back in the trenches.

[00:41:29]>> That's not how it works at all. That's really not how it works.

[00:41:33]>> That's not how it works at all.

[00:41:34][laughter] >> I was going to say the day the baby boomers die, that might be the day the trenches come back. Cuz like >> that's that's also true. Yeah, that's that's just how the world works though.

[00:41:49]>> Money rotation and all that. Yeah.

[00:41:51]>> Why people we don't do kids no more?

[00:41:55]So if you think about it, it's like there's so many grandpas and grandmas is going to die and then give the money back and then at the end it's just a single child. So like all that money is going to flow into that person at some point.

[00:42:08]>> That I mean that's true, but that's not >> something with it.

[00:42:11]>> Yeah, but that's not going to happen in like one week or one month. It's going to happen over the span of like 10 years at least. So >> we're not gonna >> you've been doing that for three years already, those memecoin things. Like, do you think you're going to ever do something else in your life?

[00:42:26]>> No.

[00:42:28]I mean, I'd like to be I'd like to own my own business one day, but I mean, I could like right now just open up, but you know, I I like if I want to do something >> be open. What would >> Look, if if I want to do something, I want to be passionate about it. I I want to have spirit for it, you know? I I want to have >> I want to be dedicated, you know? I I I don't want to just open up like I don't know like a barber shop and then have it fail like in two months. You know what I mean? I just want to do something that I like >> like a matcha cafe.

[00:43:04]>> No, that's homosexual, sir. I I don't like that.

[00:43:08]>> Do Do you like to be French? [laughter] >> Oh, wait. So, you do like matcha.

[00:43:15]could man like >> dude >> don't you remember like hands of wake handsome pull down your little matcha the thing like >> there was the whole thing that launched the matcha phrase like everyone started to drink matcha after that it's an ancestral Japanese tradition >> it it just doesn't taste good it just tastes medical and it's not my fault if you never tried a good Fair enough.

[00:43:46]>> On your grade.

[00:43:47]>> Fair enough. Fair enough.

[00:43:50]>> But we're not here to talk uh about that. But like what if actually what if like tomorrow there's no more onchain trading. No more meme coins. What are you going to do?

[00:44:00]>> Leverage trading. I already do that. So that's how I've been making money.

[00:44:05]That's how I I've been surviving. Really >> surviving.

[00:44:10]>> Surviving. How do you manage your money?

[00:44:11]How do you manage your money? Actually, because I find it like >> I don't [laughter] I don't I don't I do not.

[00:44:19]>> But let's say like you have living expenses. How do you pay living expenses? You take that money from your trading accounts or you got all the sources of income.

[00:44:27]>> No, no, no. I I legit just trade that money and pay for whatever expenses I have.

[00:44:33]>> And I don't have many >> partnerships no more.

[00:44:36]>> Many expenses. Uh I don't have partner.

[00:44:39]No, I'm I've been a free agent for a while.

[00:44:42]>> Didn't you have like Cuz at some point we had >> I had a Toshi partnership.

[00:44:48]>> Yeah, you had the Mitch the streamer and then I think you you partner with some uh >> Yeah.

[00:44:54]>> some online casino back then.

[00:44:56]>> Yeah, I I was partner with Toshib.

[00:44:59]>> How much money you made on that?

[00:45:02]>> Uh like a decent chunk of money. And you know, they they're like, it was very open. And I told them like the only way I'd partner up with you if I can vocally say like, I'm gambling, but you shouldn't [ __ ] gamble because you're going to lose your money. And they said, "Yeah, that's fine. That's cool." I was like, "Okay, done." Like, if I explain, you know, you know, ju just to be uh you know, you know, not to [ __ ] people over or anything. What's what what what's your what your thought about that about like gambling on stream because I feel like all the cryptosphere >> it's so [ __ ] fun.

[00:45:44]>> It's so fun.

[00:45:46]>> Most of what >> I mean everyone is doing it in a way like it's like most streamers they sponsored by gambling brands or whatsoever because I think that's the only one remaining with budget right.

[00:45:58]Um, no. I mean, if if you're I'm sure if you're streaming Terminal or or Padre or whatever, you're also sponsored by them.

[00:46:05]And if you're streaming Axiom, you're only you're also sponsored by them. So, a lot of pe there's there's money to go around, but yeah, it's it is what it is.

[00:46:15]>> You know, it's But do you think, for example, like because like obviously like online casino took a lot more space >> than they were like three years ago, for example. And then we had there's also prediction market. I don't know if you play prediction markets.

[00:46:33]>> I tried it. I tried it a couple times.

[00:46:34]Yeah.

[00:46:36]>> How [clears throat] was it?

[00:46:39]>> Um, it was okay. I tried it like two years ago. I think I made like a couple thousand dollars and that's it.

[00:46:45]>> It's probably It's probably even better now. I think my like my I just didn't like it back then with Poly Market cuz it was on Poly Chain and I needed to bridge to [ __ ] Poly Chain like dude I don't want to do that.

[00:47:02]>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, back then like it was a bit more >> technical, >> but I but I think now it's like >> now it's like way more open.

[00:47:13]M so you think like now like if meme coins like continue to like decrease or do you think like they're going to come back? Are you going to focus more on pers or you think like no I'm just going to wait me coins going to catch up back like they're not going anywhere.

[00:47:29]>> I'm sorry. Would you would you repeat that? Some some guy just came in.

[00:47:34]>> Okay. Oh yeah. You say hi to your boyfriend for me. Um [laughter] >> [ __ ] song.

[00:47:42]you're saying something about memecoins and uh were you saying like >> like >> go on >> so when like for you like you've been like one of the biggest advocate for memecoins and probably um way that >> brought like a a good chunk of people from uh Twitter to memecoins >> if you think like how memecoins will come back are they gonna come back or no like I think like like people remaining in the space they're wondering like okay like are we going to go somewhere and then I know you're going to be like oh meme coins don't go anywhere they're going to come back but how because like now we get so many avenues where people can gamble and then memecoins been associated to pure gambling same as casinos for example >> okay I'll I'll I'll tell you so we need leaders I think one of the main reasons why we had such Oh, exactly. [laughter] Why you had such a crazy generational run on memecoins back in 24 was I think because of Anom. Cuz Anom led the wave.

[00:48:51]He's like, "Y'all like memecoins is like the thing to trade right now. It is the best risktoreward. It's like where the money is going to be flowing." It's like, you know, a lot of people followed that. Now we have nothing. Who do we have to look up to? [ __ ] Lexa Pro, Jack Duval, whoever the [ __ ] is popping right now, >> you know? It's like it's it's [ __ ] pathetic. It's a bunch of soy boys and they know jack [ __ ] about nothing and they're they're just farming their followers. It's insane. We're talking like yeah a leader but like also I mean you know how it is like most leaders they get built up and then once someone is at the top people will tear them down the mountain as well. So it's like >> That's true. That's true.

[00:49:38]>> We normally have for crypto every cycle something new that is interesting that started a little bit at the previous cycle kind of way. So it's like uh if you roll back in 2018 >> we had the ICO that was the main thing which started with the previous thing there was like Ethereum they did the kind of first ICO the first big one >> and then at that time at the end of that cycle there was just a little bit of NFTTS um >> that were like the crypto kitties if I'm not wrong or something. Yeah.

[00:50:13]>> Yeah. The next cycle was really big on NFTTS and then you had DeFi as well and during that cycle we had Dogecoin and Pepe a little bit. No, no, not the Pepe that we had before. Sorry. So, we had mostly Dogecoin that was like the outlier memecoin thing >> and then after which led to our next cycle where we forgot about everything that was before in crypto and then it was mostly memecoins. And I'm wondering if like we still go on a cycle where we're going to have like, okay, bitcoins go back up and then there's going to be something.

[00:50:51]What do you think could be that thing uh that could be the next wave of crypto?

[00:50:56]>> That's actually so interesting. Uh I I I honest to God, I never thought about it that way. But now that you mentioned it, what is it? What's the one thing we had but we didn't like you know it didn't go fully into like price discovery which I will touch on after that but maybe it's AI AI coins I don't know like >> the biggest AI run >> yeah I feel it could be some agentic thing >> and we may not know which shape it has yet >> the thing is >> now technology the way to do it is going to be a lot more accessible to everyone.

[00:51:39]And that that shuffles the cards again in in a way that's going to be different. Maybe it's going to be a good thing, maybe it's going to be a bad thing. And I don't know how it will be >> represented because let's put it in a way. Uh people always want to gamble on a new thing in crypto to have like something that's going to have crazy return, >> but they rarely want to be [ __ ] by the same thing that they got [ __ ] So like they like, "Oh, okay. If I touch fire, it burns. I don't touch fire anymore."

[00:52:09]And >> so you don't think people are going to buy Fcoin again? Is that what you're telling me?

[00:52:14]>> Uh, [clears throat] not Fatcoin. Uh, the Fatcoin has a chance, but I'm saying we I'm not sure. And again, that's just speculation that they would go into memecoins because memecoins had so many different type of ways like it's such at the beginning memecoins was just like okay if it's a token that is funny and I have like some internet culture then that's a memecoin but then after change it's like oh there's a viral trend on Tik Tok that's a memecoin and everything's becoming faster and faster.

[00:52:43]So in culture too is like >> I mean even hooked war that was like a big moment lasted two weeks maybe or two months I don't remember but it was like pretty shortlived and then like now you probably ask people and then they're like what the [ __ ] is that? So it's like all of culture all of things is going is moving faster and we don't really have new internet cultural moments like even uh personalities on internet go that goes out of date like a lot faster like the guy that did routine I can't even remember his name now uh >> but he's not yeah it's not as the main character as it used to be so it's like I don't even know what would be the shape and then if the meme coins are like okay we back into like investing into cultural things. The same way we invest into cards which is like >> no you just hold on for a long time then you don't really have that thing where you go on like checking uh the train scanner or whatever you call it where you check all the new deployments in 2026. You cannot trade me coins the same way you were doing it in 23 or 24 because nowadays AI and it's hard enough to find the good meme coins. That's why you could use top fun which has algorithm that's going to find them for you. Look at that. They called tum tum tum sah 420x they called it a 15k house same 300x aliens last man all of them. And if I check the last calls it was 4.5x 2.4x and here 1.2x. So it's still really good. This going to help you because they analyze more than 20 markers into each coins that get released and how they evolve in the chart and then highlight it to you, push it to you with a notification. It's stalk fu n. And yes, you're going to have fun with it. So check it out. There will be a link in the description as well. I do not trade without it. That's how I managed to turn 1K into 100K, $20 into 20K. It was always with this.

[00:54:56]Yeah. Maybe, dude, maybe we're going to have a Listen, maybe we're going to have a if if if we're going to have another meme coin run, which I think we will.

[00:55:05]It's going to be like more of a the renaissance of meme coins, right? So you're going to have coins like you know coins that went through [ __ ] hell and are still there every single day grinding like neat for example right uh I'm not shilling the co listen I'm not shilling you the coin you don't have to buy it I'm just saying >> you could have just say the ticker as soon as you came on the podcast man [laughter] >> I'm just saying Nate's looking like the leader that's all I'm saying but no listen listen N has some good points. I I do agree. Like I don't want don't want to push down or throw a coin to people, but >> I'm not pushing if if you look listen if you have to push a coin down someone's throat, then it's not a good [ __ ] coin. And that's the thing about neat is that people gravitate towards it. It's not the other way around. You no one's shoving it down anyone's throat. It's just generally a good coin, which >> in in today's market, dude, that's kind of rare, you know, >> like there are no more good coins. We don't have we don't have a lot, you know. We have a couple, a handful.

[00:56:20]That's it.

[00:56:21]>> That's true.

[00:56:23]>> Yeah, >> that's true. So like >> memecoin renaissance, >> you know, memecoin renissance, you you you you bid the big ones for big money, you know, cuz if you're going to keep bidding $50,000 toppers.

[00:56:38]>> Sorry, what did you say?

[00:56:40]>> If if not neat, which one you think like would be could be memecoin renaissance >> as in like a memecoin that would be pushed to billions and billions in market cap? Probably Farcoin if it's not me. If it's not me, probably Farcoin, I would say.

[00:56:58]>> Yeah, but that's the two coins you've been talking about the whole time.

[00:57:01]>> For a good reason.

[00:57:02]>> I mean, I talk about them and then I put my money where my mouth is.

[00:57:07]>> It's not like I'm talking about them cuz I got free supply or something.

[00:57:11]>> You know you got supply. THAT'S NOT THE [laughter] >> OH, [ __ ] OFF, DUDE.

[00:57:19]>> I wish I got supply. le let's live in in another world where those two coins do not exist >> what it would be like and maybe those one don't exist that's sort of like that's what I want to explore with you today is like okay what it would be like what kind of thing like is so many change we're going to see in society in the coming months that we're not ready for >> yeah we're gonna have more unemployment I'll tell you that [laughter] we're gonna have way more unemployment I know like I'm I'm reallyant to hiring those days and I've been developing businesses but it's because like if I check like the amount of time I can spend on hiring and on coaching if I shift that time to put it into prompting an AI agent >> I build something more meaningful and the crazy thing is tomorrow when there's a new model out that is like 10 20% smarter My agent is directly 10 20% smarter when it's really hard to do that with >> a human >> people. Yeah. Yep.

[00:58:28]>> I get it.

[00:58:29]>> And that's kind of that's kind of scary >> in a way. Um but you don't you don't care about being scared honestly. Like people just got to be like being positive and then we humanity if we went this far we always figure it out. So, I think like I'm genuinely positive >> on the way to I'm very optimistic. I'm Yeah. [clears throat] >> Yeah. You got to be, man. With the life you have, you got to be optimistic.

[00:58:59]>> For real.

[00:59:01]So true. So true, Kane. So true.

[00:59:04]>> So like that that's a good thing. I think probably we're going to see the biggest fraction between the pessimistic around uh AI and the optimistic about around the world. And then that's probably going to affect the market >> in way we are the other.

[00:59:19]>> Do you do you [ __ ] with the stocks?

[00:59:23]>> I was just going to ask, didn't Nvidia go up like 10% yesterday?

[00:59:29]>> I don't know. I didn't check, but yeah, probably.

[00:59:31]>> No, it did. It did. It's like Nvidia is now like the biggest. Their valuation is like 5.3 trillion or something.

[00:59:40]Like that's just crazy, dude. Wow.

[00:59:45]Yeah, I mean it is, but that doesn't answer the question. Like you did you get some uh press um training?

[00:59:56]>> Press training >> training. PR training.

[00:59:58]>> So what? I don't I don't go anywhere.

[01:00:00]You're the only person I talk to.

[01:00:02][laughter] >> That's not true. I saw you doing podcast with everybody now.

[01:00:07]>> Oh yeah.

[01:00:07]>> There used to be a thing where I was the first one to host Mitch and now for real. It's just like it's the same thing as ordering something on Teu.

[01:00:17]>> Damn, dude. Your jokes are getting so much better. I mean, remind me of your jokes two years ago. That [ __ ] was so unfunny, but now they're actually good. Oh, I'll give you I'll give you that, dude.

[01:00:30]They're kind of good. Like, I'd be laughing.

[01:00:33]>> If I wasn't me, I'd be laughing right now.

[01:00:36]>> If I [laughter] wasn't me.

[01:00:42]Um, I even forgot what we were talking about. Yeah, because I asked a question.

[01:00:49]I asked you, do do you [ __ ] with stock?

[01:00:52]And then you you you reply to me, oh, uh, didn't Nvidia go up? Like, this is the biggest company now.

[01:00:58]>> Yeah, because it's a [ __ ] AI stock.

[01:01:00]So, we were talking about AI.

[01:01:02]>> I want to know like, do you do you invest in stock?

[01:01:06]>> No. Invest. You don't know investing. I >> I don't know what investing is. That's true. I I really don't.

[01:01:11]>> You can't you can't you can't invest in stock. It's going to be too slow for you, >> right? Like that's what I actually one stock that I've seen every crypto bro talk about was Rivian. Have you seen that?

[01:01:26]>> Oh, the electric vehicles. Yeah.

[01:01:28]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The uh >> No, I haven't seen that. What happened?

[01:01:32]Something happened?

[01:01:33]>> I don't know.

[01:01:34]>> At the bottom.

[01:01:35]>> Yeah. It's like it's it's like everyone's saying it's bottomed out and it's probably going to go up 10x. So I'm thinking should I just put like 100k and cash out a mill in like two years.

[01:01:46]That's like the only my only thought process when it comes to stocks is like oh I just put whatever amount of money that I you know I'm willing to forget about for like a year or two and then cash out later. But then again what if the company goes bankrupt? I don't [ __ ] know. I know jack [ __ ] about Rivian Automotive. Like what the [ __ ] do they even do? Plus, I [ __ ] hate electric vehicles. So that's that >> they do they mostly do fake electric vehicles.

[01:02:16]>> What What What does that mean?

[01:02:20]>> It's like you promised that you invent it was I think it was them like that you have a truck. You have a thing that's going to do this and have >> Right. Right. But you never delivered.

[01:02:29]But it's actually Yeah, it's like it's actually >> I think it's them or it was the truck company. But I mean same same but different. I think anyways like electric vehicles like China is so far ahead.

[01:02:42]>> It is. It truly is so far ahead.

[01:02:45]>> What's What's Rivian? Is it is it American or is it like didn't the Saudis buy it?

[01:02:51]>> Oh, I I I from what I knew it was American but I don't know where in which hands it is. But >> no, I think the Saudis bought it like 100% >> anyways.

[01:03:03]>> Oh yeah. Well, that that or the or the you know the Jewish folk. But yeah.

[01:03:11]>> Oh my god.

[01:03:13]>> What?

[01:03:13]>> I got I got a market as well. I don't know. Like [laughter] you you're looking for problems.

[01:03:21]>> I'm not. I'm just saying.

[01:03:23]>> Yeah. But you have to say, Mitch, though, you you can say that people who gravitates around you, they end up having problems. Mr. Frog, your ex- best friend or still best friend, he's out of the timeline as well.

[01:03:38]>> Scooter too.

[01:03:41]>> Scooter 2. Look at that. That voice. I felt the pain in it.

[01:03:45]>> Yeah.

[01:03:45]>> What do you think, >> Scooter? Scooter made so many Look, Mr. Frog, I don't know. Mr. Frog was definitely targeted. Maybe some people didn't like what he was doing on chain.

[01:03:54]Some people didn't like the attention.

[01:03:56]Scooter XPTt had like a billion enemies.

[01:03:59]He fudded 10x more than [ __ ] than your company's stock chain.

[01:04:04]>> So he's the biggest futter of all time.

[01:04:07]Massive respect. Massive respect. The greatest futter of all time. That guy sent so many coins.

[01:04:13]>> He was good at it.

[01:04:14]>> He was really good. I mean, he's he's the goat of it. I'll give him that. So >> obviously he made a lot of enemies, could have been anyone, and he's he's gone now.

[01:04:26]>> Yeah.

[01:04:26]>> Hopefully hopefully they do come back one day, though.

[01:04:31][clears throat] >> Yeah, that's that's true. So um we'll see. But you have still good you're still in touch with the pump team back then. I remember when we talked you said like you were chatting time to time to alone and things like that.

[01:04:45]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am.

[01:04:48]So, like what do you think pump should do to to uh wake up the trenches?

[01:04:56]>> I don't think I don't think they can do anything, brother. I simply do not think >> they can do anything.

[01:05:03]>> Look, Pump is in Pump is in a position now where whatever it is they end up doing, people are just going to hate it. It could be, hey, we're gonna airdrop every single trencher $10,000 and 90% of people are going to say, "Wow, $10,000?

[01:05:24]Why not $100,000? [ __ ] you, Pump Funk."

[01:05:27]Like, bro, whatever Pump does, people are just going to hate.

[01:05:31]>> Why do you think they hate them no matter what?

[01:05:35]>> Uh, bro, probably because uh the lack of accountability in the space, right? Like if someone loses money on a coin, is it easier to blame themselves and try and get better or is it easier to blame Pump Funk?

[01:05:50]It's like it's like you getting scammed over the phone and you call your phone company and you're like, "Why did I get scammed?" You know what I mean? Like, [ __ ] you bought the coin. What the [ __ ] are you talking about?

[01:06:04]>> I mean, yeah, I agree.

[01:06:06]>> Yeah, it's it's it's [ __ ] ridiculous.

[01:06:08]And uh you know, listen, I'm just going to say this. If I was Allen, I I don't know what the holdup is with the airdrop, but if I was Allen, I would not [ __ ] air drop anything to these [ __ ] Especially Especially right now, cuz all you're going to get is hate. No one's going to be happy with anything. What's What the [ __ ] is the point?

[01:06:30]>> Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess one thing that could like enance the hate is that they announced that they would do a big air drop and then make that oh we're gonna >> so it's like it it's just like yeah I can I can understand that if people have a bit of taste in their mouths for that.

[01:06:48]>> Yeah. But then after it's like the whole thing about like, oh yeah, we have the vamp on chain and it's like, yeah, bro, but it's like at the end of the day is people clicking buttons to buy. Like they they're choosing what to buy.

[01:07:02]>> Who's making who's making these vamps, the the people that are buying them themselves, they're the ones making the vaps, the people that are bundling, they're the ones making like dude, it's not you know >> what can Trump do.

[01:07:15]>> Crypto is a big democracy. Yeah, it is.

[01:07:19]It is the most democratic democracy ever because it's it's not ruled. There's no vote. You only vote with your money.

[01:07:28]That's it. And that's the most democratic thing you can do.

[01:07:32]>> And then until people change their mind to be like, "Oh yeah, there's a runner.

[01:07:36]Like, let me put in that." And then like this, >> yeah, >> maybe I eat a little bit less, but at least everyone eats instead of like, "Oh no, I'm not in the big one. Let's make another one that will be the big one."

[01:07:45]And then [ __ ] it. And it's like ah like if you don't want your neighbors to win as much as you want to win.

[01:07:53]>> It's just a recipe for disaster.

[01:07:55]>> The most Yep. It is a recipe for disaster. And the most recent example was the asteroid coin.

[01:08:01]>> The asteroid coin bro that [ __ ] went to 200 million. H the vamps there was like bro okay on Salana there were like 10 vamps maybe. on ETH there was like 20 vamps and imagine that volume and the vamps just went into the main one. The market cap would be double or triple right now. Right now all of these vamps are at zero and the other one is at like 100 mil maybe. But if that volume went into that coin instead of the pocket of the devs of the, you know, the ones that made the vamps then I don't know. It's like who are you going to blame? You're gonna blame Vitalic. Like, who who are you, bro? It's the ultimate >> Vitalic. Yeah, it's been >> I mean, [ __ ] it. Might as well. Might as well.

[01:08:51]>> It's been [laughter] a while.

[01:08:53]>> What's he up to? Selling ETH again.

[01:08:56]>> I don't know. Yeah, he's just getting girlfriends, I think. I guess what he was up to last time, so I don't know.

[01:09:01]>> Oh, did you see that video of uh Pastorneck? Uh the one with his girlfriend?

[01:09:07]>> What? like yeah I saw the the thing is like I was like oh like [ __ ] like the story is crazy >> but when I heard like people would say I'm actually dedicated I was like I'm not going to be the one saying that [laughter] bro you graed everyone on your platform like you were ruthless with the liquidity pool I'm not I'm not going to say he's been gentle but yeah that was weird that was weird yeah that was like crazy >> that was the biggest crypto news. That's the That's the sad thing. I was like, on top of that, like already we have hackers, scammers, and on top of that, we get news >> and we have Asian women beating crypto bros. That's crazy.

[01:09:50]>> And everyone's coming out now. They're like, I too was beaten by an Asian girl.

[01:09:57]I was gonna say something. Let me have some pop. Anyways, we we still left with a video of him buying her a bag in the most expensive room in Tokyo.

[01:10:07]>> Uh showing us he's going to do a flywheel.

[01:10:10]>> And >> little did we know apparently at home it was not like that. But yeah, anyway, that's their story.

[01:10:16]>> Um >> I don't know why we we we needed to hear about it, but yeah, that's that's kind of crazy thing.

[01:10:24]>> It's for real.

[01:10:26]>> Yep.

[01:10:26]>> Yep. You misbelieve launchpad?

[01:10:30]>> I really don't. I mean, has there been one successful coin on believe?

[01:10:38]>> Define successful above 1 million market cap.

[01:10:43]>> Oh yeah, there was a lot. There were a lot. There were >> I mean right now is there one successful coin right now?

[01:10:50]>> No.

[01:10:51]>> Yeah, exactly.

[01:10:54]I think like the only coin that kind of survived like they detached themselves from belief like they recreated their own liquidity pool and everything.

[01:11:03]>> Wait, which one?

[01:11:06]>> CL.

[01:11:08]>> Oh yeah, CLD. What do you think about Cled? Should I buy into it? A lot of people did tell me to allocate some into CLED.

[01:11:17]>> I was thinking about it. I haven't really checked the the what's going on really behind like I just don't like to buy drama coins >> but now now I believe is out of the picture. Some people were saying there's nothing going on behind. Uh recently I think I saw the CEO doing a post that they had a lot of users from the Philippines but I don't know what does that represent. I don't even fully understand what Klet does. Some kind of either >> video thing, but like I I don't know.

[01:11:52]Was it clipping or is like >> I don't I honestly don't know. So, I can't tell.

[01:11:57]>> I mean, what I do know is that is that they're partnered with Whoop, right? Is that is that what they're called?

[01:12:03]>> Yeah. Whoop is is probably for clipping then.

[01:12:08]>> Yeah.

[01:12:08]>> But then what's the what's the coin >> making today? Because it appears just a normal web company.

[01:12:15]>> I genuinely have no idea, brother. No [ __ ] >> Well, >> I guess we we might know we might know one day. We might know one day.

[01:12:28]And no air drop from pumped. You say they should say it. I think they should say, you know what? [ __ ] guys, we don't air drop.

[01:12:36]>> They should like publicly tweet no airrop.

[01:12:41]>> I don't know. I wonder what it would be like >> at this point maybe. But no, I'm pretty sure >> we thought about it. You guys don't deserve it. This would be this would be nice.

[01:12:53]>> No, I'm pretty sure they are going to airdrop. But >> you know, like think about it this way.

[01:13:00]A lot of these companies are uh yeah, let's just say crypto protocols are unregulated. Pump is heavily regulated.

[01:13:08]And not only is it heavily regulated, it's also the biggest the biggest uh company in in crypto. one of the biggest companies in crypto, right? The one that really went mainstream and it's practically gambling if you really think about it. So, there are a lot of people who want to take pump to court. If they do airdrop people, you know, that might be used against them. So, I don't know. It could be a logistics thing. Who wants to take Pump to court?

[01:13:42]I'm sure they have a couple uh suits right now. No.

[01:13:47]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:13:47]>> Couple cases against them.

[01:13:49]>> Yeah, I I think they do. I think it's like public.

[01:13:53]>> Yeah, probably. It's probably tracking.

[01:13:55]I don't I don't know what what's the the reason for But how do you keep having in the coins you hold being published by pump on their Twitter?

[01:14:04][laughter] Achieve that, >> bro. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[01:14:10]It's not because you have Ellen in DMs, right?

[01:14:14]>> Uh, that helps too. That helps. But no, no, no. I've, as far as I know, I've Yeah, I don't think I've linked on any coins that I was heavily invested in besides maybe Neat, but that's it.

[01:14:31]Um, but like every other coin like I don't know what are you talking about? Tung Sahor like Triple T.

[01:14:42]>> Triple T. Yeah, I saw that one as well.

[01:14:44]>> But is that I mean I I haven't been trading a lot. So the last one that popped up on the pump thing was Triple T. But >> dude, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. I I Yeah, but but I do buy coins that are gaining attention. So chances are if I buy a coin, it's going to gain more attention. It's going to go on the pump feed. So >> yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

[01:15:10]That makes sense. In a way, >> still people will say you're a plant from Pon, but >> crazy.

[01:15:16]>> What do you have to say to them?

[01:15:17]>> I mean, if I was two things. Number one, if I was a plant, then I would have my Twitter. Number one. Number two, if I was a plant, then I would be way richer than you know.

[01:15:29]>> Yeah. Why you didn't become a plant?

[01:15:32]>> For real. I should have I should have I should have been a plant. would have been the perfect plan.

[01:15:38]>> Have they ever tried to hire you?

[01:15:40]>> Who pump?

[01:15:43]>> I did ask for like a position like uh you know, but it's it's really hard to get a actual position at the company without being doxed.

[01:15:58][laughter] >> Welcome to the real world, Mitch.

[01:16:01]>> No.

[01:16:04]Yeah.

[01:16:04]>> Wait, Ellen doesn't even know like how you look like?

[01:16:08]>> No, I haven't met Alon. No.

[01:16:12]>> Really?

[01:16:13]>> Yeah.

[01:16:13]>> That's insane.

[01:16:16]That's insane. You saw me at at a conference, right? You saw me in Dubai or something like that.

[01:16:21]>> No, no, no, I didn't. No, I did not.

[01:16:23]Whoever told you that that was me was lying to you.

[01:16:27]>> No, you texted me.

[01:16:30]>> Oh, yeah. I was just [ __ ] Oh, okay. I was like, that's weird. I was like, >> no, just [ __ ] with that. That looked borderline, but I was like, yeah, this guy could be Mitch. No. Yeah, I I know.

[01:16:46]I was like, that doesn't make sense cuz I know you don't go you don't go outside. You just go in your car and back.

[01:16:52]>> So true. So true.

[01:16:55]>> Do we have a a Madame or Miss Mitch now or?

[01:17:00]>> Uh, yeah. might get married soon. Who knows?

[01:17:06]>> Well, I guess you >> I guess me, but besides that, who knows?

[01:17:12]>> No, but see, you you do have a partner now.

[01:17:16]>> Yeah.

[01:17:17]>> Nice. Congrats, man.

[01:17:19]>> Thank you, brother.

[01:17:20]>> I hope it's doing well.

[01:17:24]>> Yes, sir.

[01:17:25]>> Wait, so you're starting to become not a neat anymore?

[01:17:29]What? I am in need, brother.

[01:17:32][laughter] You just hiding it from her.

[01:17:36]>> No, no, no, no. I am in need. Think about it, bro. All I do is a whole bunch of nothing.

[01:17:46]>> So, I'll always be in need, dude. No matter what. You know what? Come to think of it, if you are doing what you love, then you're always going to be in need.

[01:17:59]I guess some might say that's true.

[01:18:00]>> Some might say you're elite, Antoine, [snorts] even though you're not allocated into the coin.

[01:18:07]>> I bought a bit. I bought a bit.

[01:18:09]>> Did you?

[01:18:11]>> Yeah. I was thinking actually to put my public wallet all into it.

[01:18:17]>> You know what? I don't have much time to trade right now. Let's put it all into one and then we see where it goes.

[01:18:26]Uh, well, listen. If it goes to three billion market cap, you're going to be a happy camper.

[01:18:35]>> Yeah. What is a happy camper?

[01:18:38]>> Like, you're gonna you're you know, you're going to be a happy person, dude.

[01:18:41]The [ __ ] kind of question is that?

[01:18:42][ __ ] hate French people.

[01:18:45]>> I swear to God, you can never be too safe, Antoine. [ __ ] Like, I mean, you're French. You know what they're doing in France. They're getting robbed. Yeah.

[01:18:53]>> For $3,000. They're getting kidnapped, robbed, uh, graped, sorry. You know, all kinds of [ __ ] for like pennies.

[01:19:02]>> I kind of made peace with myself with this to be like, if it happened, you would make it back because otherwise it it it became kind of an at some point or I think like it's like it changed the way I interact online a lot. Like I used to love to like share like stories or things like that. I do my little joke about what happened during the day and it's funny. I bump into someone that it's been following me online for a while.

[01:19:32]>> It's like oh I miss your stories. You was so funny and things like that. Why you stop? And I was like well >> kind of crypto went in the way where it's like you just don't share as much online.

[01:19:42]>> Um >> but yeah it is what it is. It is the the space we're in. So we can't we can't do as you say we're never too careful.

[01:19:53]We're never too careful but we have to live as well and we have to remember even if we we can lose it all. We never know. We are like that uh that guy the really wealthy homeless guy Mitch with [laughter] with Do you still live stream? I haven't checked your >> I I haven't live streamed. No, no, I haven't live streamed in once. I haven't been to my office where I have like my, you know, where I live stream from in like >> what >> what >> office?

[01:20:26]>> Yeah, I have like Yeah, dude. I I have my own space for that. But I haven't been there in like a couple months for, you know, a bunch of bunch of reasons.

[01:20:38]But uh yeah, I'm I'm definitely going to get back into it when I do have time.

[01:20:41]I'm I'm building another office in my house so I can just live stream from home.

[01:20:48]>> Yeah, I guess. Yeah, for need like you going out of home must have >> Yeah, like 15 minute drive to get me the [ __ ] No, no, I'm not doing that. You know >> what? Yeah, I don't understand why you didn't It's not like you need a a good background. Like it's not we're going to see your face.

[01:21:05]>> Like why [laughter] you even needed an office in the first place? Uh uh well mainly background sound and mainly also OBSAC.

[01:21:15]>> Ah yeah.

[01:21:19]>> Okay. How does it change if you have an office with >> OBSC?

[01:21:24]>> Uh I I changed a couple stuff. It's like a completely new building.

[01:21:31]>> Okay. Yeah. Got it.

[01:21:35]What are you going to stream?

[01:21:37]>> Uh uh probably me interviewing you next stream. How about that? How about that?

[01:21:46]>> Are you Yeah, that would be funny.

[01:21:50]Have you done interview?

[01:21:52]>> I haven't interviewed anyone, but I would love to. Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to do when I uh when I go back streaming.

[01:21:58]>> I would love to see what kind of question you ask to people. That would be that would be interesting. Hey, I mean I did ask you a couple questions now.

[01:22:07]>> That's true. Yeah. No, I think No, I mean I think interview is a good format in general and then if you get Mr. Frog >> that would be insane.

[01:22:18]>> Mr. Frog doesn't voice dogs.

[01:22:20]Unfortunately.

[01:22:22]>> Yeah, because it's a woman.

[01:22:24]>> Cuz it is. Yes, it is. Uh Mr. Frog is a 17year-old girl, believe it or not.

[01:22:31]Don't ask me. Don't ask me how I know.

[01:22:33]Do not ask me how I know.

[01:22:36]>> I'm not asking. I don't want to know.

[01:22:38]>> It reminds me when everyone was fantasizing on Gake on on the timeline, you know.

[01:22:43]>> On what?

[01:22:44]>> Gake >> on the timeline. You remember like Gake, they would think they were like there was speculation. There was like this um >> Oh, he's he was like a Chinese girl, whatever. So it was like it's like it was all kind of a of thing is is insane.

[01:23:03]It's a funny one.

[01:23:06]>> And what is niche going professional now? I saw you opening Instagram.

[01:23:11]>> I guess that's why you wanted to come to do the promotion of your Instagram [laughter] on Instagram.

[01:23:16]>> No, no, that Instagram's been live.

[01:23:19]>> No, it's been live for a while. Tik Tok.

[01:23:21]I got banned on Tik Tok. So Tik Tok, you can't really say anything.

[01:23:28]No, don't [ __ ] clap, bro. You just cannot say anything on Tik Tok. They're just going to ban you for whatever account, Meech. Come on.

[01:23:36]>> Well, it's not me. It's my editor. And he's a he's an amazing guy. He's really been running these accounts for me. What a what a lovely gentleman. But, uh, yeah, he's he's the one running my Insta and YouTube. So, that's fun.

[01:23:49]>> When did you hire him?

[01:23:51]Uh he he bro he came up to me he's like hey do do you remember me from the [ __ ] days? I was like yeah of course I remember you. You were like you know one of the hardest bag workers. I he was like yeah I'm looking to work while I was like okay let's [ __ ] do this and uh we work together now.

[01:24:09]That's nice. I was so surprised when he contacted me and say I'm I'm Mitch assistant.

[01:24:17]Whoa. What's happening? [laughter] one of them.

[01:24:21]>> He's going full on professional. He may even have a company registered somewhere in the world.

[01:24:29]>> I was like, this is insane.

[01:24:34][laughter] >> I actually don't, but I probably should.

[01:24:38]>> Yeah, >> maybe a maybe a Delaware company.

[01:24:41]>> You watch that?

[01:24:42]>> You know, Togei?

[01:24:43]>> Toi? I do watch Togei. Yeah.

[01:24:46]>> What do you think about Togei, >> bro? I've been watching like you you seen his latest uh interview with Caleb Hammer, right?

[01:24:56]>> Amazing.

[01:24:57]>> Amazing. Right. What What do you think?

[01:25:00]Like >> entertainment.

[01:25:01]>> Yeah. Like, bro, I think like Togei just Togei is like he's kind of like me in a way where what like he he he's just vibing, you know? He kept talking about the vibes and Caleb was like, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about?" Like he just couldn't get it right. He couldn't wrap his head around it. But Togei had this this belief in himself, >> you know, and >> Caleb just can't comprehend. I I don't think he can. Caleb is like, "Oh yeah, just follow this plan, invest in the S&P, uh dollar cost average, blah blah."

[01:25:39]Until he's like, "Gamble your life away.

[01:25:41]You either win or you lose." And I [ __ ] with that.

[01:25:43]>> Yeah.

[01:25:45]I mean, I think they're both right.

[01:25:47]They're just really right in their own way. And that's that's what made it so interesting.

[01:25:53]>> I think like one comment on the YouTube was like that wrap this thing like perfectly. It's like when an unstoppable force meet an immovable object. I was like that's so true. It was like >> like you had this rock and like this guy's like no matter what I'm going to push through it. And and that's why I think like yeah the the way uh Togei thinks and then the relationship he has with money that that reminded me yeah you're >> already that relationship you had when we we first talk and then >> you were in the trenches and then >> a lot of people you know um it's in a way easy to be get rich in crypto. It's much harder to stay rich in crypto >> once you made money is >> much harder.

[01:26:45]>> Much much harder. Yep.

[01:26:46]>> And second thing is the mental uh aspect of it. I know a lot of people that made money in crypto and then they like just depressed because they kind of like they won the game they were playing and they don't know what to do and then they feel like oh I'm I'm I don't have anything going gone or whatever but like you you seem to not have any issue with that like you completely detach from the number no matter what.

[01:27:16]Well, if you are detached to the number, then that number is going to decide everything when it comes to your life, when it comes to your state of mind, everything.

[01:27:27]You can't you can't you just cannot afford to do that. You're going to end up killing yourself sooner or later. Um, one thing I did notice about the interview with Togei and Caleb is that you go to the comments like, okay, okay, first things first. A lot of the clips uh not not the full interview, but a lot of the clips because the clips are like 50 times more popular than the actual interview, right?

[01:27:56]A lot of the clips on Togei's channel are like portraying Togei in a favorable way. A lot of the clips on Caleb's channel are portraying Caleb uh to be like this sensible guy and and Togei to be this insane person, right? When it's not really the case. It's just that they're different. They got money in different ways and you know they they they they hope they both have different personas.

[01:28:26]But you go to any comment on on on Caleb's clips and everyone's talking about how Togei is a [ __ ] Togei [snorts] is a a horrible influence.

[01:28:36]Togei is like my [ __ ] cousin who's never made it. Togei is like blah blah blah. So he's it's like, do you guys even have a fraction of the money that that guy has to be commenting that [ __ ] Like I'd be [ __ ] ashamed. I'd be [ __ ] ashamed to be piss poor making like $2,000 a week. And if you are, uh, more power to you and I hope you [ __ ] make it big. But I'm just saying if I was making $2,000 a week, I would not go around talking [ __ ] uh to [ __ ] millionaires, calling them, "Oh, you're [ __ ] stupid and retarded." And then go back to my wage job. Like, what kind of [ __ ] loser am I to do that [ __ ] And that's like >> I mean, yeah, >> 99% of the comments on on the channel.

[01:29:23]And I think that's why like 99% of people are simply not going to make it because they're not built for it, you know? It's like >> it's like when someone watches a video of Kanye and Kanye is like speaking speaking his heart out and like just telling you the truth of what he sees, what he feels and they're like, "Oh, you're so bipolar, Kanye." Like, "Dude, shut the [ __ ] up." You know, and it's always the most miserable [ __ ] the biggest losers that are going to that are going to comment [ __ ] like this. And that's like 99% of people really. It's it's a scary thing to see. And that's why I'm betting on Bitcoin. [laughter] >> Yeah. And we have a lot of them on on chain.

[01:30:03]>> Onchain as well.

[01:30:04]>> They bring that behavior.

[01:30:06]>> Exactly. See, you think you think crypto you think crypto is like, oh, it's so niche. We're not going to have these stereotypes in crypto. But no, we do. We do. It's literally the same as IRL or >> agree more like I think it's like no matter like >> the the human mind and then I think they are a lot like that in the comments deep down >> they don't want anyone else to win because it shows that it's actually possible to win.

[01:30:34]>> Yep. I mean think about it this way.

[01:30:36]Who's the person in crypto that people talk [ __ ] about the most? It's Allen.

[01:30:42]Allen, as far as I know, is at least worth 1B, 1 billion. And uh, you know, he he he went to 1 billion from literally nothing. Actually, nothing.

[01:30:53]And then he he gets the most [ __ ] on crypto. So, I mean, for sure, they they worked as well. They worked super hard.

[01:31:00]And then >> y >> people would not have been able to go through 1% of the [ __ ] >> Yep. Like it's it's not easy to have a company that make this kind of money.

[01:31:15]>> It's really not. It's really not.

[01:31:18]>> It's like I mean they they achieve something >> in that way. We can't take that from it.

[01:31:24]Like do we agree or not? It doesn't matter.

[01:31:26]>> It's like it's the same thing as like toi is doing one way. Don't have to agree or not. You just but you can learn a lot from it probably no matter which position you have. And I think like um yeah, that's probably the thing that people should do more. But yeah, we're not going to change the comments online.

[01:31:43]>> Let's face it.

[01:31:44]>> Yeah.

[01:31:44]>> With just a podcast.

[01:31:46]>> Yep. I mean that that that's that's the takeaway. You can you can either you can either learn or you can just move on. If you just sit around to hate, if you spend the time of your day hating on someone else, especially especially if that someone else is doing better than you, brother, you lost. you lost a long time ago and you need to seek help immediately.

[01:32:09]>> Yeah.

[01:32:10]>> Yeah.

[01:32:11]>> All right, man. It was a pleasure to have you. I'm not going to ask you which speaker you you want to say at the end because we already have them. [laughter] They can listen back.

[01:32:22]>> It was amazing.

[01:32:24]>> What What did Wait, wait. What? What did I shield? I just shilled Neat, right?

[01:32:28]And Triple T. That's it.

[01:32:29]>> And Fcoin.

[01:32:31]>> Yeah.

[01:32:31]>> And Fcoin. Yeah. Okay.