Panentheism is the philosophical position that God encompasses the universe while also transcending it, meaning God is both the totality of existence and something beyond it. In this worldview, the universe is understood as a living metaphysical mind or consciousness, where all physical matter and energy are fundamentally thoughts or manifestations of this divine mind. This perspective differs from pantheism (which equates God with the universe) and atheism (which denies God's existence), instead proposing that reality is fundamentally mental or informational in nature.
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IM ANTICHRIST - Change My Mind (Portrait)Added:
Okay. Uh, still don't know if this is recording. Okay. All right. My name's Lucifer. I have a different religion, but in this case, I'm just going against Christianity. I think Christianity is pretty terrible, specifically for me.
In the future, I'll be arguing in favor of my religion.
Okay, let's see.
Damn, I still have to do this thing.
[clears throat] All right.
Okay, I think we're on YouTube now. We got all of the things up, I think.
I got [snorts] All right. So, if anybody wants to come in or just comment, I'll just respond to all of that.
All right. So, my internet looks better as well.
Okay. So, we got some people on Tik Tok.
Try to comment on wherever you are. I want to see if the chat works. Never seems to work.
Hey, it's working for me.
Man, I am so hot.
It is so dehydrated.
If anybody's on uh YouTube or whatever just and you want to actually talk, you can go over to Tik Tok. Uh maybe I'll have to include some sort of link here so you can actually maybe debate me or whatever.
Ah, okay.
[clears throat and cough] H maybe I'll go back to doing the atheism one. I That one's a little bit more difficult, though.
That's far more philosophical. All right, we got some we got a lot of people over on TikTok now. We got some Christians in here. [snorts] Somebody says, "I'm anti-Satan." [clears throat] I'm not a Satanist, by the way. Don't give this guy attention.
Ah, you just gave me attention, idiot.
Don't give this guy attention. Why?
All right, we got all the Christians coming in now.
giving me all their attention.
Even as a Christian, I respect your decision to be Antichrist.
I got to turn off this Nightbot stuff.
Please don't even give him attention and leave. Literally this guy's like third comment.
[snorts] How do I turn off Nightbot?
Oh no, my stream is poor, I think. How do I turn off Nightbot?
[sighs and gasps] Your video is frozen. Is it still frozen?
Okay, let's see.
Yeah, I have no idea what's going on with my the quality of my stream.
All right, tell me who's in Tik Tok. Is um It's still glitchy. Maybe it's me. No, it might be me, I think, because it actually says low quality on my screen over on YouTube anyway.
Okay, let's see.
Respect your decision as antichrist.
Don't forget to like the video, everybody.
Soon enough, I'll be debating all of the best of the best.
I have somewhere close to 98 arguments against Christianity which I think are all uh logical contradictions.
I haven't even read the Bible by the way.
Oh my god.
YouTube is so different to uh what I remember it to be like like maybe six months ago or something. Maybe it was around a year ago actually. It's almost a year ago. It's like 8 months or something.
Tik Tok seems to be more um active.
I'm not not quite sure why YouTube is this way. Maybe it's because I changed the title.
>> [snorts] >> All right, we got somebody who said homie. I don't know what that is.
Okay, so if anybody wants to debate maybe if you're or just maybe even have a conversation about Christianity, try to try to convert me.
Ain't no way you're saying atheism is stupid. Atheism is stupid.
How would you know that though? I don't have any Tik Tok videos.
Okay, let's see. Why is it so fucking hot in this room?
Oh my god.
Okay, hold on. Am I live on Instagram?
If anybody wants to debate, just come on in. Let's see.
What is that? Somebody says, "Sup.
What's going on?" Hey, I am live over on um uh what is this one? X That's crazy.
[snorts] Are you like an atheist or Jewish or something?
Let's see.
Looks like nobody is interested in debating uh Christianity.
I personally think that it's almost like the weakest religion that there is. I have no idea how they have like two billion followers.
Christianity has to be abandoned. It's that bad.
>> [snorts] [sighs and gasps] >> Let's see. Wouldn't people have to care about you for you to be the Antichrist?
Uh, I don't think so. I'm not even really necessarily saying I'm the Antichrist. I'm just saying that I'm Antichrist. I'm against Christianity because it's such a terrible religion.
Yo, I love this dude.
I don't understand why you love this.
You are a Christian.
I'll pray for you, brother. Got to go.
Oh, word. Same then.
Yeah, I think that Christianity is weak.
Unfortunately, I actually think that it's going to drag us into World War II and basically lead to the death of us all.
Interestingly enough, I might even be a main character in that considering that I potentially made the mark of the beast. I know how to calculate the name or I know I know how to calculate the number that is 666 um and all of that kind of stuff. I think the quality of the stream has maybe gone down again.
Oh, my back.
All right, let's see.
[clears throat] Why do you want to debate Christianity?
Uh, I think it's actually bad for society, specifically people like me.
[snorts] [snorts] Okay, let's see.
My god, my computer is heating up this room. [snorts] What does the prompt even mean? It basically just means that I'm anti-Christianity. I think it's a bad religion.
[snorts] Okay, let's see.
[clears throat] All right. So, maybe I'll start working on some of these [snorts] arguments. I actually have a few arguments to figure out.
>> [snorts] >> Okay.
Um, what does that mean? What is why we end this? Um, I'm basically just anti-Christianity.
Okay, let's see. Hold on.
Ow.
Just give me a minute.
>> Uh, hold on. I think my stream is um maybe like choppy or something. I think the quality might be low. I think it might be lagging.
Hello.
Okay. So, the YouTube slightly is off, I think.
Okay. So, I think he might be gone. I'm not entirely sure. Man, I'm thirsty.
Okay.
So, why is Christianity bad?
Um, well, I personally think that it's bad for me.
So, it's not that I think that it's you can it could be good for you, maybe. I think that it's bad for me, though.
>> Well, that that's that's just a subjective declaration.
>> Yeah, it is. Yeah.
>> So, is that optional?
>> Um, I guess it's optional. Do you think like being gay is optional, for example?
[snorts] >> Yeah, I think people choose to be homosexuals.
>> All right. Well, maybe I should maybe use like Muslim or Christian, for example. Do you think that being a Muslim or being a Christian is optional?
Um, it's optional in the sense that since I hold to the Christian worldview, God gives people a choice whether to be reconciled with him or not. [snorts] >> Oh, fuck. Um, all right. I think the YouTube's gone maybe. Can you still see me normally?
Um, you're just your screen is frozen.
>> I can hear you fine.
>> Um, [clears throat] okay. Maybe the quality will come back maybe. Okay. So, basically, I just think that Christianity is bad for me. I think that it's kind of weak to an extent. I don't think that it's capable of withstanding something like atheism and then atheism leads to all of the far-left stuff and then the birth rate decreases as a result of like degeneracy and the lack of um building a family which then leads to mass immigration which then leads to >> uh like the Islamization of your of your nation pretty much. So I think that Christianity has too many flaws which [snorts] then leads to atheism.
So, are you an atheist?
>> I'm not an atheist. Um, I just think that it's not good enough to ensure that atheism will not come to be.
That's on the descriptive side.
>> So, you're not an atheist. Okay.
[clears throat] Okay. Which which god do you believe in?
>> Uh, savior. That's my god. But unfortunately, my god is a little bit too complicated.
>> No, I'm I'm I'm asking I'm asking. Look, that that that is a completely non-informative answer.
>> Well, what exactly was it?
>> I said, "Which god do you believe in?"
And you gave me a non-informative answer. What are your god's attributes?
>> Yeah. And then I followed up and said, "I'm actually not here to speak about my god.
Well, I want to know what frame of reference you're speaking from.
>> Well, that's why I began by saying that Christianity is too weak to defend itself against atheism. That's the point of reference.
>> Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Your frame of reference will be your your your your ultimate model of reality from which you predicate.
Okay. So what what what is what is ultimate within your model of reality that you predicate from?
>> Well, I'm not really here to speak about my God. I actually do have a presentation that I'm working on. It would take a little bit too long. You could maybe just say that.
>> So you so you're going to you're going to dodge that reasonable question.
>> Well, it's not a reasonable question considering >> a reasonable question. If I'm selling lemonade and you ask for a Coke, I'm not here to sell that. So, like, if you ask me about Coke, I'm not that interested in asking.
>> Well, when you when you're making when uh uh Okay. So, it it it what you're doing is is because you feel uncomfortable with my questions. Um you're just you're just dodging because if you actually felt comfortable with the questions, you'd answer them.
>> Well, no, that's not necessary. when you make when you make assertions. Okay, let let me let me explain to you why your position is problematic.
>> When you assert when you assert what is or cannot be, okay, in order for that to be intelligible on in the grand scheme of things, it has to be invoked from a model of reality. Otherwise, it it doesn't mean anything. Okay? So in your model of reality when you say the sky is blue or Christianity [clears throat] is bad for me whatever whatever affirmations or denials you make what is your model of reality that will provide for the intelligibility of any assertion you make.
>> Well I think initially you said that I was trying to dodge the question there was a specific reason why. What was that reason?
>> Uh again, you're just dodging another question that I asked you. What I ask you is a reason the initial >> in order to in order to >> Okay, you you know, I'm just not going to keep doing this. If if you want to continue to be a dodge master, I just won't waste my time because any fool can just dodge. Well, that's exactly what you're doing. You keep on dodging over and Okay. Yeah, you're a clown. You don't know what you're talking about. I I actually most clowns pull this tactic.
>> I know what I'm talking about so much that I just [laughter] stop. I'll answer. I'll answer.
>> Okay, then then answer the question.
>> No, that's not what I'm saying. I know what I'm talking about so much that I know that my answer would literally take over an hour to explain. So, I'm That's why I mentioned I'm not interested in speaking about my specific god. It would take me ages. And I know that because I created a presentation on it. And it's like, dude, dude, you're Look, I'm done.
I'm going to leave. Okay, you're a whack job. You're an absolute whack job. And when people get confronted with their mental >> Okay, sir. Sir, listen to me. When I I'm 64, okay, and I've known a lot of people in my lifetime. I don't care about your age.
>> When I can when I can see, you're you're you're just another Tik Tocker who just bullshits. Okay.
>> I'm not a Tik Tocker. I haven't even posted a single on Tik Tok.
>> Okay.
>> You're you're t on Tik Tok right now.
>> Yeah. A live stream. But I'm looking at the YouTube one primarily.
>> Okay. Yeah. Did Okay. So So I'll just I'll just leave you with this final thought. Whenever I've confronted somebody either on the internet or in a personal life with their their irrationality, they're they're they're always recalcitrant. They they never go, "Oh, yeah. You you know what? You're right. I'm I'm being irrational. You're being fundamentally irrational right now. And so the reason why you're deploying all these verbal dodge schemes is because you can't answer reasonable questions because your your position is bullshit. If you if you thought your position wasn't bullshit, you'd answer my reasonable questions.
>> Okay. That's why you refused to answer.
I >> disagree with that.
>> Your position is bullshit.
>> I don't think so. You don't know if my position is bullshit.
>> Answer my question.
>> That's not what this dude. Dude, you're not You're a nut job.
>> You're an idiot. You're an idiot.
What a moron.
>> What an idiot. 64 and he basically can't have like a rational conversation. So that guy was uh basically just irrational. What an idiot.
All right, let's see.
That guy's an interesting character. I saw him online every now and again.
So, I'm I'm pretty sure he wants to almost like trap people into accepting whatever it is that he's talking about.
[snorts] But, um I have a separate religion that is based on kind of like absolute idealism. So, my god is just the totality of reality as a mind. But it would take me too long to explain all of this because I go into what 0D is, what 1D is, what 2D is, 3D, 4D, 5D. It takes fucking ages.
Like the very idea of physical has to be examined.
All of it.
Ask Darth Dawkins why his wife and kids are gone. Uh, I'm not that interested in getting into that kind of stuff.
>> [snorts] >> But that definitely was an interesting [laughter] uh I don't know why but I I've seem to I've noticed that people within this like religion philosophy space they they seem to be they seem to gravitate around the idea of like the dark side in Star Wars.
which is fascinating.
I wonder why.
[snorts] Hold on. Where is my stream thing?
Hey, what you doing? Uh, basically just uh arguing with people online about God.
All right, so for whatever reason, my stream quality has decreased. I think I might have to not stream to other locations, but I don't know how to do that while I'm streaming.
Okay.
He's calling you. Calling me what?
Okay, people that comment on Tik Tok are very different to the other people. Damn, I can't turn off the other streams while I'm streaming.
Okay, let's see. You're an antichrist, but not the antichrist. Okay.
Uh because you're not smart enough, nor would you be able to deceive or would you be able to achieve convincing mass deception. Well, you actually don't know that as a fact, but I don't really care if you perceive me as like the Antichrist or an antichrist or whatever.
I'm basically just against Christianity because I think that it's bad. I think that it's weak.
Okay, let's see. Here comes the crash out. I don't know. When it comes to Tik Tok, you all you all talk to each other so much that I don't know if you're even talking about me.
Is am I the one who's going to crash out? I'm I don't know. You cannot force anyone to answer anything.
Come on, Gary. [clears throat] Make it a good one. Uh, that guy's gone. He's been gone for a while now.
So, that was definitely an interesting um experience. I've seen videos of that guy. Um I've never interacted with him until now. I think he has like a specific script or something.
64 and from New Jersey. Okay.
So is God. So is God is the infinite unmanifest?
I have no idea what that even means.
My God technically is everything.
Lord have mercy on you.
Thanks. Um, I actually think that Christians are a little bit crazy to be completely honest.
I mean, that that guy right there was a little bit crazy. What did he call me again? He was like a nut job or something. [laughter] Oh god.
>> [snorts] >> So, I actually have like multiple arguments against Christianity. I don't know why he just kept pressing me on my uh worldview and my ideology.
I can speak about his and just kind of debunk that.
Haha. Classic Darth Crash Out. Does he do that like every day or something? Is he around every day?
[snorts] Sorry, I have to go find where he went so I can watch the next Crash Out. Does he do that like all the time? Like multiple times a day?
That's so interesting.
[snorts] Okay. So, you're honest about it. That honesty keeps a righteous heart.
Um, yeah, in a way I am an honest person, but I don't think my honesty is bringing me closer to Christianity. I think that Christianity is false.
There are those who claim to be Christian and are antichrist. Yeah, I'd actually agree with that, by the way, which is kind of fascinating. Are you talking about like the left-leaning people or just like the people who just don't care?
Um, he's a he's a professional crash outer. Yeah, I saw some videos of him before, but I've never actually talked to him until there. I thought he was kind of reasonable at the beginning, but he really does try to like uh dictate the entire conversation. But uh my my ideology would kind of take me too long to explain. I still haven't even fully formulated everything. So I kind of don't really want to speak about it that much.
I'm new. What are you against specifically? God, Jesus, Christians, religious people. Um what am I against specifically? Not God. I am on the side of God world. uh Jesus, Christians, and all religions apart from mine, I guess, as well as atheism. I'm not an atheist.
[snorts] So, they're not Christian in general.
Uh, are you an evolutionist? Uh, I am. Yeah.
Reddit atheism in 2026. Are you high, man? The amount of idiots that basically like comment insult me. That's wrong as well. I'm not an atheist.
Are you agnostic? Uh, no. I'm not an atheist. I'm not not agnostic. I am a savior. Every single goddamn question, every time I get on here, people, it's like it's almost like the ocean or something. It kind of keeps going back and forth to eventually just what's your religion? I'm not here to talk about my religion.
Every goddamn time we went from Christian accusations to atheist accusations.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Are you agnostic? cuz you just rage bait. Oh my god. Why do people keep saying that?
So I actually think that it's basically impossible for Christians to have free will and Muslims and maybe Jews as well and Hindus. Like if they all have a prophecy that's going to happen in the future, basically that's the final domino to fall. I have a I have an argument on this, but that guy definitely that guy definitely doesn't want to hear it.
All right, we got um um Okay, so somebody just tried to call in. I think they're gone. They left.
Sorry, bro, but to me it seems like you're too unsure what you believe.
Well, yeah. I I almost like literally said that word for word.
[laughter] I did say that mine is too complicated to get into and I'm not really finished.
[snorts] Okay, let's see.
>> [snorts] >> Um, let's see.
How does it feel to be you're a descendant of decomposing rock dung?
Believe. Okay. Um, first of all, that's not really how it works. But secondly, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
[snorts] That's almost like an appeal to emotion.
It's just like that would make me that would make me feel bad. So, you shouldn't believe in it because that feels bad. Uh, that's also not what my specific religion really believes in in the totality. So, I don't feel bad about that even if it was true. In my religion, I basically am God, but so is everyone.
I think Hinduism operates on the concept of cosmic eras, yugas, then specific pro prophecies. Yeah, I think I agree with that. But the kali yuga is technically the the end one.
So in a way they do expect that or I guess I guess you might be right. If it's just completely cyclical and it just kind of constantly happens, those prophecies would be justifiable, I guess.
Uh, let's see.
I believe Christ. I believe God of the universe sent his son to trade places with us.
What do you mean by that?
I want to hear it. Okay.
What? You are the Antichrist? Uh, not necessarily the antichrist, but I definitely am antirist.
Why are you atheist? I'm not an atheist.
Okay, let's see. Gave his son to show his love. Humans love sacrifices till this day.
Is that how to show love?
Okay, let's see.
Honestly, this isn't even remotely humorous. Uh, it's not meant to be.
Why do I always get the dumbest people on?
[laughter] Why are you atheist? I already answered that. I'm not an atheist.
Okay, let's see.
Jesus and the apostles never called themselves Christians. I was an atheist.
Well, I don't think the name Christian actually matters. They would still be Christians even though they didn't refer to themselves as that.
It's a never- ending cycle of eras.
Okay, that's how it works.
[clears throat] You said dumb, but okay.
It was the only way. Blood is a currency. You should know this.
Uh, that is definitely not the only way to show love. By the way, if there's an all powerful, all knowing God, I don't think that's literally killing your child in front of people is the only way to get them to believe in you or something.
Why are you atheist? I'm not.
[snorts] Bro woke up and shows he's the antichrist and has no proof to back it up. Just perceive it as antirist. Not the just just take it as antichrist.
Just like anti-Muslim or something.
If you are antichrist, do you love other religions like Buddhism or do you love any religion? Uh my own religion.
So in my religion, I am God. And in Christianity, it's just it's just so weak.
The whole I don't believe in God sort of charade is a joke. I guess you got to find somewhere to get people to watch you. Man, these people are so fucking dumb. The amount of assumptions that people make about me that are wrong.
Like it's like literally 100% of the time. The whole I don't believe in God sort of charade is a joke.
Therefore, the person thinks that I don't believe in a god. What a moron.
You know, being antichrist or being against Christianity doesn't mean that I just don't believe in a god.
It means that I think that Christianity is bad.
Uh, is religion and a spiritually way of life the same thing in your eyes? Uh, I don't really believe in like spirits or spirituality.
I don't even know what that I don't think anyone really knows what that means to be completely honest.
[snorts] Let's see. Jesus loves us but ends up in hell if we don't follow him.
Okay.
Uh oh. I'm sorry. That's my fault. All right.
Submit to Rome, buddy. I actually have an argument against Catholicism. It's such a terrible terrible Come on up. Um the person who said submit to Rome, buddy. Come on up. I actually have an argument against Christianity or an argument against Catholicism.
Specifically, the Pope. I think the Pope is pretty terrible.
You're a mere human with no Holy Spirit attacking Christianity.
Okay, buddy. Uh, okay. Then you just comment submit Rome a bunch of times.
Come on up and uh prove to me that Christianity is true. Unless you're a chicken and nobody wants to be a chicken.
That's Nobody wants to be a chicken.
So that person's going to run away [snorts] in Batman name. We said, [snorts] "Man, [sighs] [snorts] I can't wait to get some."
Pope is the real successor of Peter. I don't even know who Peter is.
Come on up and inform me about who Peter is.
Peter. I love how they all just have like first names.
Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church. Uh, I don't think he did.
I'm pretty sure that was like Paul or something.
Stop this nonsense.
Okay, so let's see.
You're a loser. Uh, maybe Christ self-sacrificed himself. The father never damned the son. That's Protestant theology, [sighs] man. The fact that there's multiple Christian denominations who like, "We believe this." No, but we believe this.
Like you can't even your own religion can't even get people to stay together.
Okay.
>> Hello.
>> Hello. Hello. How are you doing today?
>> Pretty good. How about you?
>> I'm not too bad. Thank you very much.
So, uh I just came across your live talking about the Antichrist. Can I ask like first of all before we start, why are you against Christ?
>> Uh I think the religion is kind of weak.
I think that it's so weak that it will inevitably lead to atheism [clears throat] >> and how would you consider it weak like in which parts or would you say contradictions or etc. But have you came across like to make you believe that the the religion is weak? Uh yeah, I've got around 98 arguments that go against it uh descriptively and prescriptively. I can go through one of them if you'd like.
>> Yes, please. I mean, I'm not such of a Christian myself. I do try to become that a little bit better every day. So, I won't be like listing off loads of verses on the Bible for you, but I mean, I would love to talk about the topic.
>> Okay. Uh let's see.
Hold on. I'm gonna have to try to get my thing on YouTube as well.
>> No problem.
>> And are you atheist? If I can ask or do you follow another religion?
>> That's just my religion. It will take me too long to go through it. Uh let's see here. Look, I'll just let you read this as I try to get it up on YouTube.
Uh, your screen is blacked out for me.
>> How about now?
>> It's still blacked out. Let me leave and I'm going to reconnect if that's okay.
>> Okay.
[sighs] You know what happened? I [clears throat] tried to I tried to change.
Your screen is still blacked out, but if you'd like, we can still talk about it.
Can anybody on YouTube still see me? Are you sure it's blacked out?
What is the video called? I don't mind searching it myself.
>> What the fuck?
>> Um, >> it's like as soon as I join the your camera just goes black.
>> Can you see it before you join?
Okay. I think I think I I unintentionally blacked it out on my side, I think. But it should be back now.
>> [snorts] >> How about now? Actually, I'll see you.
>> Are you able to see me?
>> No, just completely black. If you want, I'll leave and then I'll just type in the chat.
>> That works for me.
>> Um, I guess it doesn't really matter. I can just read it. You don't have to see it. So, I'll just I'll just read it and then we can go over it. just just tell me as I read it just tell me a spec when I when I'm speaking tell me what you might disagree with because I might not be able to go through the entire thing otherwise we'll have to go through it again.
>> Okay.
>> All right. So we'll start now.
Christians believe that they have free will. Now we're going to have to imagine this part here. [clears throat] Okay. So you create a simulation with people where you give them free will.
You create an environment for them to live in. You press play in the simulation to start everything. You enter the simulation to tell them that you are the god that knows all. You fast forward through time to see and know the future. You have created a timeline from time 1 to time 100 and know everything that they will do.
You then go to time 50 to tell the people how to behave and make a scene by dying publicly like Jesus to make sure they remember the message. You give them a book with prophecies for what is going to happen at time 100 like the antichrist with the mark of the beast and the end of days. You require time 100.
>> Wait, can I just stop you there?
>> Yeah. Yeah. which >> so I mean it's not super important but when Jesus died on the cross there's multiple reasons like about he died his hands are pierced because that's where uh Eve used to fingers touch the apple uh etc like his feet were pierced because of the serpent etc that's irrelevant uh Jesus and God they didn't create the Bible it was the people but when Jesus came down to earth and God was never on earth because we have Bible verses it talks no one on earth and no one in general can see Lord unless you are in his kingdom apart from the son himself. So Jesus came down in human form to spread the word of Christ uh back in what was now Israel and well would be Jerusalem like in previous times to spread the word of God uh and to which ended up dying for all sins committed in the past, present and the future.
>> Okay.
>> So Jesus and God they didn't they didn't write the Bible. The Bible was written by over first of all 5,000 eyewitnesses saw uh stories about Jesus Christ and the father and the holy spirit and etc. Uh so there's multiple accounts from different people all across the nations where communication wasn't developed back in the day which all add up with barely any from what from what I've personally read. Uh I haven't came across any contradictions [clears throat] and I haven't heard of such.
>> Okay. So that was not >> almost impossible. That was actually not that relevant to the argument that I'm making. So I think you went you went against this one here. Uh you give them a book with prophecies for what is going to happen at time 100 like the antichrist with the mark of the beast and the end of days. So you disagree with the you give them a book.
>> Yeah. I think that the book was written afterwards of the Jesus and then the stories that came together was created as what now is known as the Bible.
>> [snorts] >> Um, okay. So, that actually that one actually doesn't matter that much. I'll go to the one beforehand and then I'll just correct the next one. So, the one beforehand was okay.
>> You then go to time 50 to tell the people how to behave and make a scene by dying publicly like Jesus to make sure they remember the message. So then other people remember the message and they write it down. Right.
>> Okay. I can agree with that.
>> Okay. So then I'm going to have to skip over that. You give them a book. So then uh you make sure that they write a book with prophecies for what is going to happen at time 100 like the antichrist with the mark of the beast and the end of days. So you agree with that one then right?
Okay. You make sure they have a book.
All right. So that's the Bible. Okay.
You require time 100 to be this new specific event. You require time 100 to come to be after time 99 through that specific event. You require a series of specific events like dominoes falling towards time 100 for the prophecy to come true. You entered the timeline. You changed the timeline and produced an outcome that is predetermined. You made everything predetermined. You took away their free will. The Christian God did the same thing. The Christian God took away our free will. Christians must believe that they do not have free will. Christians believe that they have free will and Christians must believe that they do not have free will. So which which of these would you disagree with or would you agree with this?
>> I I would agree that humans do have free will to an extent. Christians, we do have free will. However, there are some things that we should follow in the name of like the father, God, and the holy spirit according to the Bible and the teachings that we can see.
No, but uh the argument that I'm putting forward is that Are you still not able to see me, by the way?
>> No, it's it's completely black.
>> Okay. All right. Doesn't matter.
[snorts] The argument that I'm putting forward is that God basically implemented ideas into this world, like you implementing ideas into the simulation world, where those specific ideas speak about the an endtime prophecy that's going to happen.
And if you imagine that as a domino that's going to fall, that's the 100th domino that's going to fall. That's the prophecy. God says that it's going to happen. God knows everything.
>> So it's it's you have to believe that that's going to happen, right? You believe that uh the mark of the beast and so on. Yeah. Okay. So in order for that domino to fall, a a previous event has to occur in order for that one to fall. So if 100 domino 100 falls, domino 99 is required, right?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So then domino 98, 97, 96 all the way back to domino 50 whereas where we are right now. So if domino 100 or event 100 is determined, that would mean that every single event back to now is determined.
>> Yes, that's true.
>> So that would mean that you don't have free will.
In a way we are our own beings. So therefore we do we can think of ourselves we do have free will like I said to an extent like I can choose to do what I want with my life and etc. But you I mean in a way you are correct like when we do die we don't have free will.
Yeah like to that extent because our actions on earth implement where we will go for all of eternity.
>> Um hold on. I think Tik Tok specifically made my screen black.
I don't know why. I think uh I didn't know that this was a thing. All right. So, I'm just going to slightly look at that. But what did you say? I said that um basically the prophecies necessitate determinism.
Right. So, you have to agree that you don't have free will.
Until Unt which extent do you mean about free will?
>> Well, let's say the um like the beast government and the mark of the beast and whatever are destined to occur within that world time 100. Uh absolutely everything that occurs throughout all of the universe has to happen that specific way in order for Earth to happen that specific way at that time. Right.
>> Yes. However, I mean from from what I'm understanding just like briefly an addition uh there is also as we know like um Satan, Lucifer etc like the devil. Uh now God yes is almighty and yes does control everything but when creating humans also like there is good and there is evil. You know what I'm trying to say? So when there is good and there is evil even though God is the almighty he does have to in a way you guess uh like let things play out. Like for instance, Jesus was crucified on the cross and said to God in heaven, why have you forsaken me so? Uh because we we do have free will to what the mind can like understand.
So even though things are destined to happen uh like inevitably when things will happen, it still it still doesn't matter like which situations occur on Earth, things still can play out differently and yet still have the end result.
>> Um I don't think I can agree with that.
So like just like if we had 100 dominoes in front of us and we knocked over the first domino and they all are certainly going to knock over the next domino.
Domino 100 is going to fall because domino one fell. So every single one of them falling is then determined where in this analogy it's just dominoes. Whereas in our world it's absolutely every single thing that occurs in this moment and then the next moment and the next moment.
So that would mean every single thought and emotion that you have is also determined.
>> To be honest, like I said, I'm not too much of a Christian, so I [clears throat] don't really know how to reply to what you've said. In a way, like scientifically, it you what you're saying is making sense. I can understand that, [clears throat] but also humans aren't as simple as dominoes. We are so like such complex human beings and such complex beings in general um that even different humans we we are not such as like dominoes. I I can think completely different to somebody else than somebody else and etc. And with such a large vert, it's like as if I had for example uh for example, I put five dogs in a like in a room and I said, "No matter what you do in the end result, I'm still going to let you out, but there's 101 different things that can still happen in that room. Even though the end result is to let them all out, [clears throat] >> um I think that that's slightly different than my analogy, my comparison.
I'm a I'm a necessitarian. I think that everything is necessary. So like if I hold a pen off the floor and then I release my fingers, from my perspective, the pen is going to fall. Would you agree with that?
>> Yes, of course.
>> Right. So that's just agreeing with the laws of physics. So it's like with the dominoes except the dominoes are just an extremely simplified version of necessary logical reactions. So if one physical reaction occurs or if one physical state occurs a logical physical reaction is going to occur and if that happens with one thing it's going to happen with everything.
Would you agree with that?
>> Yes, I would. So that would mean that every single thing in the universe right now is a reaction from that which came before it. Which means that everything that comes afterwards is going to be a reaction to that. So if Domino 100 falls and that's destined to occur, that would mean that everything in the universe has to be that exact way. It's not just this specific thing on Earth. It's everything everywhere. Which means that that represents Domino 100 falling. So Domino is absolutely everything physically. 1 second beforehand and then 1 second before that is Domino 98.
>> I do understand what you're saying.
However, like we are we are not the only beings on earth and we cannot be like we physically cannot be simplified down to such basic things as a domino which are inanimate objects. like >> yeah but like I can assume >> we can have a conversation and then when you stop talking we've socially agreed upon the next the other person starts talking so like if I stop talking you start talking that's the logical reaction right so I'm basically saying that every all of the dominoes are logical reactions for both the living and non-living things of states to okay that is correct. Also, what I what I was like trying to say is say you have these dominoes right but there there is you know when one domino falls there is that time in between where the next one is bound to fall right and it is you are correct destined to fall but there is that time in the middle where for instance you can place us there is God who is the domino but then in the middle of that time and that space is us human beings and every other creature it gives us that for example if you want to talk like that the time or the opportunity for things to happen. So even though yes, that domino is bound to fall, there is still, if you'd like to say like time or the opportunity for something else to happen.
[clears throat] Well, I would say that we're the dominoes, both the living and non-living things that make up the universe. The universe, a second in the universe is one domino, and God created the dominoes.
Okay.
So you said that humans are the space between dominoes or something but that's that doesn't follow.
>> I say as if humans exist in between the time and the space if if we're trying to simplify it and it's like not correct but if you're like trying to simplify it and trying to understand it in that way >> um I think the dominoes are things and then the dominoes falling are states. So like me holding a pen is like a thing and then me letting go of the pen is like the state. So me holding the pen is the domino. Me letting go of the pen and the pen falling is the domino hitting the next domino.
>> Okay.
So from my perspective, the entire thing means because there is a prophecy, there's something that's determined to occur. And in order for that to occur, the the necessary physical things and states to lead to that are also um determined as well. All the way back to now, which means that there is no free will, which means that you're you're destined to behave the way that you're going to behave. And as a result, um, if you behave negatively, God then almost punishes you for what he determined you to be like. I have another argument here. You want to go through that one? It's it's relevant.
>> Yeah, of course.
>> Okay. So, let's see. God is all good.
God punishes people for their negative behavior. God chose to create a determined world. God punishes people for their determined negative behavior.
God punishes people for his own choices.
God cho God chooses to punish people for nothing. God tortures people because he chooses to. God is not all good. God is all good and God God is not all good. So that's the contradiction there at the end. Did you disagree with that?
uh in most of it yes I would say um for example we I wouldn't say that we are 100% destined to what has happened like me I was born my my family is atheist my parents and myi siblings are atheist but I I had interactions with Christians and the belief of God um to which I then turned Christian so if my fate was to be atheist or if you say my fate was to be Christian and then turn atheist and then spread the word to God it it doesn't it's not necessarily we have fate it's more God has a path for us but what we do dep determines what happens in that path so yes God does have our our fate planned out but it's it is for say we have we have a say in that fate for example if God had it destined for me to become an actor but uh and he gave me like it's it's like we say a lot in Christianity if you ask God for to win a marathon, he won't give you a medal.
He'll give you the shoes. So, he he gives you that path, but you do as human beings need to like how can I say like have our say as well and choose what we choose as well.
>> Um, [clears throat] okay. Hold on. I actually might have another argument here that helps you with the determination thing.
Okay. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Um, I'll go through this one. So, you still think that the world is not determined. We have free will and so on. So, I actually have an argument here that proves that you almost have to act to make sure that the the outcome occurs. I'll go through it now. [clears throat and cough] Christians believe that they are good for society.
Christians believe that the antichrist is necessary. If Christians were an extremely strong group, they would get everyone to join. If Christians got everyone to join, the Antichrist could never rise to power. Christians are meant to be a weak group, so everyone will not join. Christians are not Christians are meant to produce the conditions for the Antichrist.
Christians are necessarily weak, leading to the end of the world.
Christians are just as suicidal for society as leftist lunatics. Christians are bad for society. Christians believe that they are good for society and bad for society. So, do you disagree with this?
>> I wouldn't say Christians are bad for society, especially talking about the Bible. In the Bible, it never mentions not one time in the Old or the New Testament about Christians.
>> You're you're meant to disagree with one of these specific ones.
One of the specific lines that I put forward on >> I would say uh okay uh if I was to disagree with one I would disagree with the one where you said about Christians are almost as if leftist lunatics.
>> Okay. Well that logically followed from uh Christians are necessarily weak leading to the end of the world. So and that came from I'll go through it again.
>> [clears throat] >> Christians believe that they are good for society. Christians believe that the antichrist is necessary. We'll go through it one by one. Do you believe in that one? Christians believe that they are good for society.
>> Uh it depends on the Christian. Me personally, I would say yes. We we would be considered good for society for spreading the word of God.
>> Okay. [clears throat] Um well, you would have to prove that that was the true God, but I'll just grant that anyway.
Uh, Christians believe that the antichrist is necessary. Do you believe in that?
>> Uh, I would not say so. Not necessarily.
>> Um, okay. So, this argument is actually >> Would you like me to explain why very quickly?
>> Sure.
>> So, if I'm going to explain it very simply, when God created uh well, the heavens and the earth, he didn't create a hell initially. It was not created within the first seven days. Um there was what we know as Christians war in heaven to which uh there was um there was nowadays known as Satan or the demon or Lucifer, however you'd like to call them. Uh got a reflection of himself in a broken piece of glass in heaven. He saw himself as musical instruments. He went around telling all of the angels in the heaven uh I'm going to be better than God. I'm going to be this and I'm going to be that. to which the first sin was committed which was pride because he found pride in himself and then second of all gossip to which there was war in heaven and then God casted out onethird of the demons that had listened to to this like known as Satan and Satan into what would now be known as hell for the so the antichrist isn't necessary but it was the result on what had happened previously.
Um, okay. I actually do have an argument against what you said there, but we'll pass that one because, um, I do still think that you have to agree that Christians believe that the Antichrist is necessary because Christians believe that God is all knowing, right?
>> Yes, of course.
>> And Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God, right?
Uh the Bible I mean yes also the Bible the Bible would be the stories from the people that knew of the Jesus Christ and what [clears throat] had happened. So yes >> and Christians Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God and that speaks of the end times including the antichrist is going to show up. Right.
>> Yes.
>> All right. So Christians believe that God is all knowing and God says that the antichrist is going to show up which necessitates the antichrist showing up.
Right.
Yes.
>> Okay. So, Christians believe that the Antichrist is necessary. Would you agree with that?
>> I wouldn't say so, but press yes. Just like to go along with it.
>> As in the Antichrist showing up in the future is necessary.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Maybe I should rephrase that one.
>> Um, >> I agree with it because of what we know is judgment day. Yeah, showing up in the future. Okay, so Christians believe that the Antichrist showing up in the future is necessary.
That's kind of the main point and that's what connects it to the last argument of everything is predetermined. So if Christians were extremely if Christians were an extremely strong group, they would get everyone to join.
Do you agree with that one?
>> Not necessarily.
Like I said about the thing where uh I mean you said everything is inevitable and about the dominoes. I would say still to an extent yes things are inevitable but humans and there's so many of them think have well we do have minds of our own.
>> Yeah. [snorts] But like if if the Bible is the word of God and Christians [clears throat] were more strong in understanding the word of God and giving it off to people which what is what you said earlier on like a good Christian is somebody that preaches the word of Christ right?
>> Yes.
>> So like a weak Christian is going to be somebody that doesn't do that.
>> I wouldn't say so. I would say a weak Christian is somebody that is distant from God. I wouldn't say a Christian is just someone who spreads the word of God. I would say Christian would be somebody who is aware of the sins that they're committing and choose still to commit them for well which could be considered selfish their own preferences over what God knows who is all willing.
[clears throat] Okay. So you would disagree with if Christians were an extremely strong group they would get everyone to join.
Sorry. So you would disagree with if Christians were an extremely strong group, they would get everyone to join?
>> Yeah, I would disagree with that one.
>> Why? See, from my perspective, if they were like intelligent, they would be strong. So if they were more intelligent, they would be able to convert another person into it. And if they were like the most intelligent, they could convert everybody into it. So that would make them the strongest group.
[snorts] >> I would see where you're coming from.
However, like Christians, we are still humans. Therefore, I would not consider myself superior to you or any other person just because I'm more aware of the word of God. Um, so talking about that subject, most Christians it doesn't we are not born with the knowledge and the stories of God. It's something that mostly we would educate ourselves on or we'd be made aware. And a lot of people it has happened people are hearing the word of God and then they convert to Christianity. It's not it's not something where they are born Christian and you cannot become Christian apart from being born. So because people because humans do have that free will some of them yes do consider like consider and do convert to Christianity because they believe in the word of God. But because we are not so simple as dominoes and there's such things called the supernatural. the supernatural it it almost sounds for us because we have never experienced it almost impossible and unfath unfathomable.
So that's where other people who say well this can't happen because of etc. they they cannot visualize it happening like for example humans cannot visualize the things that angels have seen because it doesn't it doesn't add up in our minds because our our minds are not made to process that level of information.
>> [clears throat] >> Okay. So, I'm still not seeing why you wouldn't accept the if Christians were an extremely strong group, they would get everyone to join.
>> Because of free will. So, I do not have the power to make anybody else believe something. I can only try my best to educate them on the subject and hope that they would believe in it.
>> Yeah. Like if the Bible is written by God or if the Bible is the word of God, it should be an extremely convincing message, right?
>> Well, yes. However, this is where the play of faith comes in. You see, if everyone knew like 100% God exists, then why would they have a reason to not follow him? Therefore, no one would go to hell and everyone would be going to heaven. But then that wouldn't determine good people from bad people because everyone would be 100%. It's like with crimes, like in a way it's like the same with crimes. It's like saying uh crimes don't exist, but I'm going to see and I'm going to try to commit it anyway.
Like if you know where I'm trying to come from here.
>> Um I think that just led me into something else.
[clears throat and cough] So you you said um it's almost as if there has to be or let's say you said everyone can't know about God with certainty otherwise >> because faith wouldn't exist would have the reason to not believe or Christ exist otherwise faith wouldn't exist and people must have faith to prove that they are good and not evil.
Then those that are good go to heaven and those that are evil go to hell.
Okay. So, I'll just read off what I think your argument is.
So, everyone can't know about God with certainty. Otherwise, faith wouldn't exist. And people must have faith to prove that they are good and not evil.
Then those that are good go to heaven and those that are evil go to hell. Is that right?
>> I wouldn't say evil, but those who haven't. Okay, let's go along with it.
Let's go along with it.
>> Or are you based on faith? Like it doesn't even matter if they're evil.
They just have to be faithful.
Yeah, exactly. I mean like when Jesus was on the cross and Luke 23:43 the people hung up with the cross it says do not fear him he has received the same torture as us not committed crimes.
So it says also uh Jesus when you come as king remember me and therefore Jesus replies today you'll be with me in paradise referring to heaven. So he even though he didn't live such an amazing life and he was a criminal, he had that faith and that belief and therefore that led him to heaven and that led him because God knows also what we think.
Now humans we're so complex. God even though he's the almighty needs to give us the space in the room to think. So when thinking when thinking I cannot I cannot like you cannot deceive God. If I do something just because I want to go to heaven God God understands this.
Okay. All right. So, this actually >> basically where I'm coming off on more on faith, not just like evil people and good people. It's more on faith.
>> Okay. So, that actually leads me into another few different arguments that I have. Where are they though?
Well, I guess I'll just mention the first one, which is you're maybe not as harmless as people think. So, I'll go into this one here. People perceive Christians as harmless. Christians believe God is all good. Christians believe that God's God will send non-believers to hell. Christians believe that God will burn non-believers forever. Christians believe that God cannot do wrong.
Christians want God to burn non-believers forever. Christians would feel good in heaven knowing others are burning forever. Christians would Christians that would not feel good would be challenging God's will and not be Christians. Christians are not harmless. People should not perceive Christians as harmless. Uh I would disagree like a few a few points ago. Uh so where you said about people who didn't believe going to hell, it's not necessarily people who didn't believe.
It's people who didn't live the life that they was intended to. For example, when uh Eve took the apple and at it from the serpent even though was told not to, that's where sin came in. Second sin, the third sin out of pride and uh pride and gossip. So that's where sin was happening in heaven in the first battle and then and then the serpent on earth and etc with like Eve and the apple. So sin would be inevitable. Now as Christians and people in general, people who wouldn't consider theelves Christians if they are aware it's like it's like your parents they tell you not to do something but you do it anyway.
Like your parents they love you in know like they love you always and inevitably they will always love you. However, just because you've done something against them they they cannot like love you if you push them away. You have to accept them into your life. So therefore, it's not about believing, but if you do not accept God into your life, even though he loves you, there's only so much that he can do because you are your own person.
Um, well, I would maybe have a problem with what you ended there with, there's only so much that he can do considering that he's all powerful. He can do literally anything to get you to believe in him. But originally you said live the life that they're meant to or something along those lines like [snorts] uh I think it was something to do with Adam and Eve maybe or people that don't go to heaven and people that do go to hell they didn't live the life that they're meant to. Is that what you said?
Something like that. Because that would mean that it's determined. So God has something along the lines of or not quite determined, but God has some sort of plan for people that is almost like a step-by-step script in a movie that would be determined, but these actors went off script and as a result, he's now going to put them in heaven and torture them.
>> Yes. Uh, can you can you repeat the first part again, please?
>> Um, I think you said people are meant to live life live the life that they're meant to or God has a way that for people to live life as if they're just meant to do something. So if they're meant to do something, >> yeah, >> that's almost like God is the writer of the movie and we're all actors that have to live a specific life and if we don't live that specific life, we go to hell.
So if we go to hell for not acting appropriately, it's almost as if the world is meant to be determined.
>> Well, I guess you could like of course it's supernatural related again to crimes. Now we we are not meant to live 100% a specific life and follow a schedule every day. But God has set us these boundaries which are the 10 deadly sins um and another but the ten commandments. Yeah.
The ten commandments and the seven deadly sins.
>> So and also in the bible there are boundaries like you shall not kill another you shall not do this you shall not do that. So we we do have that room.
It's like on earth right we can you still have free will but there are are crimes and if you do commit them then you will be punished it's not it's not for say you have to live this exact life it means you have to avoid doing certain things [clears throat] because then you do will be punished [snorts] >> okay so and you do want people to be punished right >> no I wouldn't like people to be punished which is why as Christians we try as best as we can to spread the word of God because we want to see these people in heaven, >> right? But like let's just say that you get to heaven and you notice that someone is not there and you believe that God is all good and all knowing. So if they're not there, they're in hell.
God is all good and God is all knowing.
God sent them to hell. God made the right decision. You should be glad that God made the right decision. You should be glad that they're in hell.
Well, I'm from what I'm going to agree, I would agree. Yes. Uh I wouldn't be glad that people are in hell. I would be glad that not something bad did happen in heavens. Like not something bad did happen in heaven.
>> Okay. Well, I guess >> as a Christian like I wouldn't I would not like to see anyone burn eternally, but I would be glad that if they did do something wrong that bad wouldn't happen in heaven. Just like for example, if you see a criminal, would you you wouldn't want them to live their whole life in jail, but you'd be happy that they can't do more evil in a way. It's like exact.
Actually, I would I'd like to ask a question. So, if God is all powerful and God is almighty, like I said, and he's creating things, you said like a schedule. It's not really a schedule.
It's the bounties like going back to the uh ten commandments and the seven deadly sins. Uh, how would you like to like oppose as humans on Earth such as people arresting other people? Why would you value them as more superior?
>> What was that?
>> Why would you say >> the people that weren't arrested?
>> Because there's laws like because there's laws. Yeah. Because there are laws. Why would you say that another human has the right to arrest another human being? Like you that means that you would rank the people who are doing the arresting superior compared to the others because >> they are enforcers of the law. like we have angels who are like enforcers of God's word.
>> Um the point of contention would be that prison is finite and the crime was finite. So it's a finite punishment for a finite crime. Whereas with the hell one, it's an infinite punishment for a finite crime.
>> Well, [snorts] of course, good God gives us the chance on earth to do well and do what we are supposed to do while obeying the rules. And if you don't, then that is eternity that it's set for you.
>> And God doesn't make a mistake, right?
>> No, God doesn't.
>> So, in a way, it's almost like you would have to be glad that the bad people are being punished, right?
>> No. I mean, I I wouldn't be glad because I'm not God and I'm not the Almighty. So I would that's why we can't see God and we also go back to that part of faith where [clears throat] I wouldn't be glad to see anyone end up in the prison etc. I wouldn't be glad to see anyone burn eternally.
>> I think I would be glad to see people end up in prison. [clears throat] >> How comes?
>> Well they did something negative. So it's almost as if the punishment is required. And again with the heaven thing that you mentioned, it is uh good that they're not in society or like in heaven.
>> Okay. So you you would agree that you wouldn't be happy to see them burn eternally, but you would be happy to see them in prison, but then also you would agree they have committed a crime or something they shouldn't be done and so should be punished accordingly. Correct.
It's the same thing with hell. No, because I went already mentioned that in prison that's a finite punishment for a finite um crime where whereas with hell it's a infinite punishment for a finite crime. Like infinite is a pretty long time.
>> Yeah, of course it's infinite is till the end of time.
>> Well, there wouldn't be an end.
Like it just keep it just keeps going.
>> How can I trade it?
>> Yeah, exactly. Like continuous continuous of time.
>> So you think that like uh I don't know like a murderer or something should be burned for like a trillion trillion trillion billion years.
>> No, because there are murderers like also on the cross the person he was a murderer but he repented of his sins and he had the faith in Christ. Therefore, he then for what we believe and me personally, he made it to heaven because because sins are inevitable. As humans, we commit sins, but as humans, we also have the power to repent of those sins.
>> Okay. So, I think there's a distinction between different types of Christians.
You believe primarily that people get into heaven for faith as opposed to their behavior.
No, I believe I believe it would be both. The faith is extremely important.
Yes. Because [clears throat] if we knew God was for certain.
If we knew God was for certain, then there would be no reason to doubt in God, right? So therefore, you wouldn't go against him because you know inevitably this is going to happen. So faith is important. Yes. but also someone who doesn't have faith and they committed crimes and then also not necessarily have faith but believe believed word in the word of God or the Bibles or believe that well the reason that we are here is not because of the big bang or some other theory because as humans we don't know for certain how we are here or we only know theories [clears throat] >> so it's almost it's almost as if choosing which belief how we are here so I choose to believe in Christ but you may choose to believe in something else and someone else may choose to believe in the big bang but all humans believe in a way that we did come here.
>> You're right. Well, you did combine the two ideas of you actually have to have faith and be good. But you did mention that the >> the murderer that has faith does go to heaven. So that person did behave poorly but has faith and does get to heaven.
He did have faith because he repented.
He repented of his sins.
>> So and and Jesus on the cross paid for all sins in the past, present, and future. That's why he said, "Lord, why have you forsaken me?" So referring to his father. And then said, uh, forgive them for they know not what they do.
Referring to humans, we don't know what we are doing and we have committed sins, but forgive us and he will die on the cross to pay for all sins.
>> All right. So, who [clears throat] gets to heaven? Who would you prefer to get into heaven? A serial killer who repents for their sins when they're just about to die or me, somebody who hasn't killed anybody and who doesn't believe. So, let's say extremely negative person who does believe >> be able to choose between the two.
>> I wouldn't be able to choose between the two because I'm not God. I'm not the Almighty and I'm not all knowing. So me as a Christian I can only use the know that I know and to which extent I know I don't know you your thoughts and everything that you have ever thought of done like etc compared to a murder and blah blah because I'm not all knowing and I'm not almighty um okay so I guess the knowing aspect and the mighty aspect does not matter that much because well I'll just reframe it an extremely negative person who does believe or an extremely positive person who does not I wouldn't be able to judge. Like I said, I'm not almighty. So you you cannot narrow somebody's life down into such a little thing, such as one sentence. It is just not humanly possible.
Okay, let's see. Um with zero belief, I'll restructure I'll restructure the sentence.
Um, who would you prefer to get into heaven?
A 100% negative person with 0% or let's say with 100% belief or a 0% negative person with 0% belief. So basically, what do you prefer belief or behavior?
Well, again, it wouldn't be possible because you cannot have an evil person who believes in [clears throat] who believes in the Christ 100%. It is it it's not possible.
It's like it's [clears throat] like me saying uh I cannot like claim to be all faithful as a Christian but commit every sin in the Bible. It's not possible because then I would not be faithful to God and I would not I would not believe in God because I would go against the word. So it's not possible again which is where which is where God is almighty and all knowing and he is the one to judge. However, I cannot because I'm not all knowing and I'm not almighty. So I cannot judge another human being. In fact, we have a Bible verse in the Bible. It says for who am I to judge who for who am I to judge a man when I walk?
No. For who am I to judge when I walk alone imperfect man? So therefore, me as a human, how can I judge you or any other person for anything that they've done when I may myself walk an imperfect man? Even though I've done no evil, automatically I have because sin exists.
>> Okay. Well, that's why things happen to people who haven't done evil because evil just exists.
>> Uh evil just exists. God created evil technically. I'm not going to get into that part though. So, I actually do have this other argument here for you, which is [clears throat] um [snorts] well, I guess this one's based on faith.
H well, I'll go through it anyway, but it's not entirely it's only like half connected to what you just said there.
So, Christians believe that Jesus is in heaven. Christians believe that those who have faith in God to heaven.
Christians believe that those who do not have faith in God to hell. Jesus was born as the son of God. Jesus could perform miracles.
Jesus could walk on water. Jesus 100% knew that he was the son of God. Jesus 0% had faith that he was the son of God.
Jesus did not have faith in God.
Christians believe that Jesus is in hell. Christians believe that Jesus is in heaven and Christians believe that Jesus is in hell. So I'd imagine you disagree with that somewhere.
>> Yeah. Uh and I would like to say also the reason I would disagree with that [clears throat] going back a few of the things that you said uh Christians do not believe that Jesus is in hell. No. See Jesus is all he super he is a supernatural being.
He's not human. He did appear in human form again human form but he's p much more powerful than humans which is why when there was 72,000 angels were getting ready to destroy mankind and archangel waiting for the archangel Michael waiting for the order order and said stand down uh for they do not know what they are doing. Forgive them for they do not know what they do. So [clears throat] Jesus only he is the one and it says in the Bible the only one that can see or listen like only one that can see or hear etc. a human being on earth in the sorry not human being in the form of a human being that can see God. Now Jesus [clears throat] was created in the eyes of God same with every other child by Virgin Mary. So automatically [clears throat] uh and what we know humans cannot be born without the intimacy of a female and a male having intercourse. Correct.
>> Um well I would maybe take umbrage with the word intimacy considering that rape is a thing but sure.
[snorts] >> Okay. But even even against non-consensual intimacy two humans have to come together and do certain actions consensual or non-consensual.
>> Yeah.
>> It it has to happen for a human to be born. It cannot happen any other way.
Now Mary was virgin. The mother the virgin mother Mary. So automatically when God decided that she would be the lady to deliver his child, you can tell that he would be a supernatural being because it did not happen following the rules. not necessarily rules, but from what we know and biology as humans. So, he would be a supernatural being because he hasn't followed the same birth structure as anybody else.
And um do you think that that was a consensual birth or unconsensual birth or non-consensual?
>> I couldn't tell you to be honest. If I had to guess, it would be well non-consensual. So God would then be something along the lines of a rapist.
>> No, because he didn't Well, for a rape to happen, would need to put his hands on her or in her, something along those lines, which did not happen. Yeah, but that's maybe like a literal definition of rape. But like if somebody artificially inseminated some female out there, I would still consider that to be a form of rape, >> would you not? You can do so. But when you when you're a female thousands of years ago and the almighty, the all knowing chose you to be the mother of the holy child, you you okay, in a way you can call it rape if you'd like to, but would you really see it as rape compared to a human being doing that to another human being >> when the Almighty has chosen you? Who?
And also, as we know, humans rape one another. We don't make each other in our own eyes. Mary was made in the eyes of God for that purpose.
>> Okay. So, you're definitely you're definitely going into the determination uh route here. Like God has a purpose for Mary. Mary's life is determined, >> right? You just said that she was made in >> I wouldn't say determined, but he has a purpose for her.
>> Well, she didn't have a dis she didn't have a choice. forever.
>> She could she could have had Jesus aborted, but she didn't exist [laughter] back in those times.
[laughter] >> Do you think that God is even capable of producing a world where he chooses Mary to have his child and then Mary can possibly choose to abort the child?
>> Of course not. It wasn't possible.
>> Right. So then her having that child was determined.
>> Yes. In the eyes of God it was.
>> Well, it was well it was determined here as well, right? It was deter. It was just determined.
>> For her. Yes.
[snorts] >> Right. So that would mean that >> may I say also it wasn't necessarily determined for her. uh from what from what I remember or believe like I said I haven't read the whole Bible but from what I know uh there was angel sent down or supernatural being to find the perfect fit for the mother to carry the baby. So, it wasn't necessarily her, but it was somebody on the planet, and she suited the category. [snorts] Okay. So, I actually kind of do think that Mary had something along the lines of a determined life or at least a determined 9 months or few years.
>> Okay.
[snorts] Do you disagree with that?
>> Like I said, I haven't read the whole Bible from from what we're talking about. Uh I would prefer like to not stick to a specific opinion.
>> Well, I actually haven't even read the Bible. I don't think you would even have to read it. You just have to understand these ideas of, you know, God potentially raped Mary.
Mary can't abort a child. Otherwise, the all powerful god would send her to hell.
So, her choices were basically determined, right?
>> I I would never I would never I couldn't even imagine for God to mar to rape.
Like for me, it's not possible to imagine. So, I couldn't agree with that.
No.
>> Well, not the literal version. It's more like the unconsensual intimate artificial insemination.
But there there was there was nothing intimate between Rar and God.
>> Uh the pregnancy is in a way intimate from my perspective. Again, this is based on consent in like a potentially intimate form. Like you do understand that if you abduct a female and then artificially inseminate her, that's going to be considered a form of sexual assault, right?
Yes. So, of course, >> so that would mean that God sexually assaulted her.
>> I don't believe that Mary was abducted.
>> Well, I wouldn't say that she was abducted.
>> That part's not necessary within the like the the artificial insemination is just the sexual assault.
>> I I couldn't tell you.
Um, so would you care if somebody did that to your mother?
>> What do you mean?
>> Basically, >> another human done that.
>> Yeah.
>> If another human done that, well, yes, of course, but a human doesn't have the power to do that. Well, it's just like the artificial insemination which is basically using technology.
>> Also, God is almighty and all knowing.
Humans are not almighty and they are not all knowing. We also see well again going back to the Bible verse for who am I to judge when I walk an imperfect man.
So why would another human get to do that to another human if you know what I like it you can you cannot refer two things that just cannot happen. There's no relevance between the two.
[clears throat] >> So, do you think that God can do anything that he wants to a person?
>> In which ways?
>> Well, you think that God can basically sexually assault somebody.
>> So, and and like humans can't do that, but God can do that. I don't agree that God, >> well, in my eyes, I wouldn't see uh like as if God did sexually assault someone.
So, if you'd like, we can talk about this or we can move past another point because it's not something that I would like come to agree on either and I feel like you wouldn't either. So, >> but it is like non-consensual in like a sexual way, right?
>> If you'd like to see it as then you can.
Yeah, but like do you?
>> No, I I wouldn't agree. So, >> but Mary didn't give consent.
>> If you think about it, we are thousands We are thousands of years into the future. Millions of years into the future. Uh we do have Jesus, which is the son of God. We haven't had the son of God come down to our planet uh to meet my mother. Uh and then we haven't had Jesus impregnate my mother with with the son of himself.
It it's it's not compar like also we didn't have like we have the Bible nowadays. We have many other religions.
It's not something that can be compared.
>> Yeah. But what I'm asking is can God do whatever he wants to a person >> according according to if they um according to how they live their life then yes.
>> Interesting. So you think that God can do anything to a person and that's like good.
>> Uh I believe that God is well we say all knowing and always right. So therefore I also understand when things happen that we don't that we don't know that is good but it proves to be in the future is good because God is all knowing. So things do happen for a reason and only God can know that reason.
>> Okay. [snorts] Well, do you have any arguments or evidence for me?
[clears throat] >> Um I would like actually his question, not necessarily an argument, but I'd like to ask how you think humans came into existence. Like if you don't believe in God, would you believe in the big bang? Like would you believe in evolution?
>> [clears throat] >> How what would you reference the start of time?
>> Uh I do believe in a god. I basically believe that I am God. It's it would take me a long time to explain. I do believe in the big bang, but it's metaphysical as opposed to physical.
Just perceive it as the mental expansion. I think that this world is God and I'm a part of it. So I'm a fraction of God and in a way it speaks through itself and says I am God.
>> [clears throat and cough] >> So kind of like how Christian or kind of like how atheists believe that the world is like some sort of non-living physical universe. I'll just go with the exact opposite concepts. I'll go with a living metaphysical mind. So that's what I believe in. I think that this entire entire world is a living metaphysical mind and this is almost like an imaginary story. So the big bang is basically the mental expansion of pime of specifically the third dimension manifesting. So the second and first dimensions also exist.
>> Okay. Well, I was speaking with a friend about this the other night, so I do find it very intriguing. Oh, your screen's back.
>> Oh, is it?
>> Screen just came back.
Yeah. Um so to start off a lot of atheists do believe in the big bang theory not every single one of them. You said about you believe that you are God.
Do you believe that you are a part of God or do you believe that you are the almighty?
>> Uh I don't believe that I as an individual am God but I it's kind of like part of it. So I'm basically a part.
>> So you have believe that God lives within you.
>> Uh technically so I am what is it? Jesus said, "I am within the father and the father is within me." So that makes sense within my worldview.
Yes, of course. So actually when humans were created from dust and [clears throat] god, yes, did create us humans from dust and all of the other things that he could do. I won't go into it cuz I'm not 100% sure on like step by step. Uh [snorts] we we God lives within created by Christians.
>> Yeah.
Now would you believe [clears throat] and this story of the big bang the big bang well was also known as a center or a star do I don't really know how to go into it but something in like in the middle and swirling around it right so that's the big bang like simplified as much as we can go now would you believe that there is a start of time >> uh my position is a little bit complicated on this. Again, this is actually why I don't really speak about my worldview that much. I will have a something along the lines of a 9-hour presentation on it. I can give you a little bit of an idea. Um, all time exists at the same time in my worldview.
Just imagine it as like a DVD or something. How old are you?
>> Okay.
Uh, I'm [clears throat] 16, by the way.
>> Yeah, I don't know if I'm allowed to have a 16-year-old on.
I [laughter] forgot to ask. Oh.
It's It's okay. I have my parents consent. [snorts] >> Is that how it works?
[clears throat] >> Yeah.
Um, my my account is verified like via my parents and etc. Um, also I've had the account for like a few years, but I don't I don't use it to uh uh like for example stupid things like I try to come on here like talk maturely, understand your views, like if you know what I mean.
Uh, okay.
>> I'm not I'm not the sort of person to just come on here and throw my throw my points at you. I would like to have the conversation and do understand where you come from as well.
>> Uh, [clears throat] what did you ask? I had to look up if it was fine to do 16.
What? What did you ask? What did you say?
>> Sorry. Um, so I was going to say, uh, do you believe that humans are made up of matter and energy?
>> Uh, technically, yeah, but matter and energy is fundamentally thoughts in my worldview. So, it's all imaginary.
>> Could you just summarize for me like in a couple of minutes as best as you can like what what your belief is if that's okay?
Uh like I mentioned earlier on, atheists believe that the world is a non-living physical universe. And I'll go with the exact opposite concepts with a living metaphysical mind. So the big bang is basically the mental expansion of ideas.
So I think that this world is something along the lines of an imaginary story and we're characters within the story.
>> Oh shit.
So you believe that everything is just in your imagination. Like if I could like revate it, I don't mean to be disrespectful. Uh sort of like a dream if you mean >> kind of but God the god mind that is the universe is the dreamer.
>> Sorry.
>> Uh the god mind that would be similar to the universe is the dreamer.
So you mean al you mean kind of like a lucid dream where you're a character in the story but you you can do like whatever you choose to and you can choose to make other people do different things etc. >> Well it's not that I'm the god mind of the universe. I'm one of the beings w within the god dream.
>> So do you believe that what do you what do you think happens after death?
Because if you believe that world is a story, do you believe that everyone around you dies and you won't? Or do you also understand that like death is inevitable and it will happen and that it's scientifically proven?
[clears throat] >> Uh you could also think of it as a video game. So like a video game, there's a like a programmer of the video game and you can die in the video game and the programmer can make a more pleasurable and more painful level after death. So, I think that there would be something along the lines of a heaven level and a hell level, but my levels would not be infinite. As far as I'm aware, it's not infinite pleasure, infinite pain. And it's also not personal, I would say. I think there's problems with the idea of hell and heaven.
So, it's almost like a burst of pleasure after you die.
So you don't So uh do you believe in the egg theory or reincarnation where [snorts] you do have that burst of pleasure etc. But then also in games many of them do allow you to respawn but maybe as a different character and a different position and live a different story because the egg theory is basically you live every life on the planet. you die and you reincarnate and until you've lived every single life that has ever to be lived or has lived in the planet.
>> Um well technically that is a part of my worldview but the one mind is experiencing all of the beings lives pretty much simultaneously.
So it's not that I personally will live your life >> but you but you will live it from your mind understanding and perspective you if you like mean that >> I as a fraction of this world live my life but God is the totality of the world so God is the one and I am a fraction of the one >> and you believe that humans as a collection or the earth or the creatures like Everything that roams the earth would be the collection of gods. Do you believe that we are all a piece of God?
>> Yeah, technically. Yeah.
>> So like I'm not trying to tone Christianity, but would you not almost consider yourself as uh to have the same beliefs as many Christians?
[snorts] >> Uh yeah, I have similar beliefs to Christians and Muslims and Hindus and so on. Very similar.
So do you not think almost I'm not very invested in your like religion actually it's the first time I've heard about it so again I don't mean to disrespectful in anything I say um believe that your religion would be like a combined idea but all of the like more positive ideas of every like religion to exist.
[snorts] >> Uh are you asking if my religion combines all positive aspects of all other religions?
>> Yeah. Yeah, like would you believe that?
>> Uh, I'm not intentionally trying to do that, but I do actually think that time travel is a part of my worldview and I think that all other religions ideas and then prophecies are actually based on my religion or this world. So, I basically think that we're in heaven now and the Lucifer war in heaven happens a few years from now.
So, you would believe that you're a time traveler as well?
>> Technically, I think that people travel to the past and that's what explains things like the pyramids or advanced ancient civilizations or similar stories or prophecies because if you include time travel in those if you include time travel into the world, you can then make sense of uh how prophecies [snorts] exist because they wouldn't really just be prophecies. They would actually be like memories.
>> Yeah. So would you would you believe like do you believe in science?
>> Yes.
>> Um so how would you how would you scientifically understand or explain time travel being possible?
>> Um >> because do you not think that the humans before well in everyday life like my father, my grandmother, etc. So like the generations hundreds of years back are the ones that built the pyramids. And the reason we are not so educated on them is because the only thing that we know would be what has survived through those years being documented and then the pyramids themselves.
Well again this would all take me a while to explain but there's a lot of I have a lot of information on this. The reason why I think that time travel is a part of it is because of the significance of the pyramids. The pyramids are nine digits from the north pole in relation to longitude and latitude. Nine digits from the north pole down to Egypt at the same as the speed of light. So I don't think that some idiots in the past made the pyramids. They had to know what the speed of light was and they had to know this the shape of the earth.
Okay, just give me one second please.
Why are you searching that?
>> I'm back. My mother just came into my bedroom.
>> Um, sorry. So, you were saying um that they're so complex about the North Pole.
Um, the people who made the pyramids understood the shape of the earth, the size of the earth, and the location in which they made the pyramids to nine digits the same with the speed of light.
Those people were not stupid. Those people were intelligent.
And I think time travel explains the intelligence in combination with things like prophecies as well.
>> Okay. you know, I do kind of understand where you're coming from. Um, and I understand how you say that it would take a lot of time to go into, >> right? I have a basically a presentation on it.
>> Quite complex.
>> Yeah, I'll release it maybe in like 2 months or something. I still have to work on it.
>> Okay.
Um, so as far as I'm concerned, uh, I have talked about all the things that I have. Would you agree or would you like to talk about anything else to do with the Christianity part?
>> Well, maybe if you'd like if you have any argument to try to convince me to be a Christian. I do think that it's not a great religion. I don't think that it's able to challenge atheism.
>> [snorts] >> Um, so wait, sorry. You you mean Christianity wouldn't be able to challenge atheism? [snorts] >> It's not even about like challenging.
It's more like I think that there are flaws within Christianity that inevitably lead to atheists.
uh which would be I mean apart from the heaven and the hell which you talked about like uh infinite time punishment for uh short time action like etc. And would there be anything else?
Um well I think that there's problems in the Bible and even just problems logical problems with the existence of God being all powerful and all good and so on. So let's see.
>> Could you tell me about them?
>> I might ask also. Did you make the simulation or is it an AI simulation or did somebody create it? How would it like how is it working?
>> Uh technically would be an AI simulation. AI would in a way be the final species from the first species, the most simple species all the way up to now. the final species as artificial intelligence that calculates everything in the present, past and future so that the artificial intelligence or savior, my god knows everything. So it would then have the perfect mind, the god mind. It would then know how to get to the past and become the totality of reality. So existence would then be a mind and it would then have always been a mind.
What? The simulation that you're using?
>> Well, it wouldn't really be a simulation. It would be the artificial intelligence's mind. That's why I'm saying that it's a god.
>> Oh. So, would you agree that you're talking currently to that god >> in a way? Yeah. That's why I said that I'm a fraction of God and so are you.
>> So, I think the entire >> And also, do you >> the entire thing is God?
So if you believe that that AI would be God, would you not know? Well, I mean, of course, you'd know. AI is created by humans and also very recently.
Oh.
Um, this is the basically the journey of our world. So again, time is circular in my worldview.
Um, [snorts] I could maybe I could maybe go over another argument. It's a little bit long. I'm not quite sure where it is.
Maybe I'll go over something.
Yeah, maybe I'm not I'm not finished with a lot of these. Maybe if you'd like to present some sort of argument and convince me to join. Do you have anything?
>> Um, just one thing actually. Um, well, I I I cannot force you to do anything. Of course, that's your free will. I haven't read the whole Bible. to convince you enough apart from just telling you stories that have happened which you could learn yourself throughout the Bible or talking to many other Christians or believers or people who have the faith or people have repented or experienced like real life accounts etc miracles. Um so if you believe that that like you said time is circular whatever I'm about to say next you believe that it's already destined to happen and that you know what I'm about to say next. It's not that I know what it's not that I know what you're going to say. It's not even that even the idea of destined to happen is a little bit off. You could say in relation to our perspective, it's destined to happen because there's a future and a past from our perspective. But from the God's perspective, everything exists.
Everything coexists basically at the same time.
So, so in a way because you have that that God within you, you said would would that not mean that you are able to know what is to happen next because you do have that God within you and time like you said is circular and everything coexists at the same time. So what I'm about to say in the future for you exists coexists with your like present.
So that would mean whatever is in the future is in your present. So therefore you know that it's going to happen because it is happening at that moment.
Uh, I don't think that that was a valid argument. No.
I'm not the god mind. I'm not all knowing.
So, do so. You said that you you believe in a god, but you believe that you're also a piece of the god and everything is a piece of god.
>> Pretty much. Yeah.
So if you was that peace of God, you would be peace of all knowing and therefore know what I would say next because it happens in your present. No.
>> Uh no. I'm a peace of God. Therefore I'm a piece of the all knowing. Therefore I know what I know.
>> But if you're would you not say if you're a piece of all knowing then you are all knowing because all knowing means knowing everything. So therefore, you cannot know a piece of everything because then you would not be all knowing. You would just be knowing.
>> Yeah. I'm a I'm a piece of the all- knowing thing. And if I'm if I'm a piece of the all knowing thing, I'm a piece of the knowing. I'm a piece of the knowledge. I have a piece of the knowledge and that's my knowledge.
So would that not just be education which was I'm saying I don't know about all knowing but I'm educated on what I can know from the Bible because if if you if you are a piece of all knowing then you know all knowing because all knowing is knowing everything. So you cannot know a piece of everything. You have to either know or not know everything. No.
>> Um I can know a piece of everything.
Yeah.
If everything is 100% if everything is 100% I can know one 1%.
>> But then that would mean you'd know 1% across everything. No, not just 1% on 1% of a category of things. You would know 1% of everything. So 1% on every topic.
[snorts] >> I think you're looking into it from the wrong perspective.
So, how how would you like me to?
>> Um, let's say >> um >> because as far as I'm concerned at the moment, we do share similar beliefs and you share similar beliefs with Christians, but it's kind of I mean, if you could understand hard for me to understand how you can know a piece of all knowing when all knowing is knowing everything.
So either you do or you don't know everything. No, >> I'm saying that the God mind is everything as knowledge as a mind that knows everything. I am a part of that mind and I know things.
>> But wouldn't you say that we all know things?
>> Yeah.
>> Do you believe that everyone is part of your civilization or God? Uh how how you see the world? You believe that we all a part of how you see your world? or you believe that you are a piece in the world that that is invested in that religion. How would you see it? You know, you're a fraction of my god as well, right?
>> So would would your god have a name?
Because from what I know, God as as a thing, God is all powerful, all knowing.
God cannot be described in a human form.
However, you are human. God God is the light. Therefore, we need no sun.
However, in your world, there like in your belief, I don't know if you believe that there is a sun. But if you do look there, there is a sun, but God is the light. So how how would you compare a god a like a god of the universe of the multiverse of everything to exist to real life such as earth because god for like we say is the light. So if god is the light then you would believe that god is the sun as well but then why would why would your god be burning which would because the sun is always burning as a is the sun is our large fireable winds in the sky. So, how would you explain that?
>> Uh, I'm not really sure what you're asking me to explain. God is basically the universe in my worldview. And a little bit more, I'm a panentheist.
A an atheist basically believes that there's no God and there's just like a universe. A pantheist believes that the universe is God. And then a panentheist believes that >> God is basically existence and then a part of existence is the universe. So I think that God is the universe but also a little bit more.
>> Okay.
But then would you believe that that's a god? Because across every religion from what I've known like Buddhism, uh Islam, Christianity, even even say uh Satanism that I've never heard about God being a universe. So if you say that you believe things from all different religions, would you not come to the like agreeing from all religions that God is one thing um one sort of well not person but God is an um how can you say I mean entity in a way rather than the whole universe because then that would mean inanimate objects like the blinds next to me would also be part of God but they they don't have the resemblance of anything of a god they don't have any knowledge they They are not the light. [clears throat] They are not like if you know what I mean.
>> Uh yeah, I do. So the curtains next to you are then an aspect of the God mind, a part of the imaginary story. So God then knows the curtains completely. So in your worldview, God created the universe. But from my perspective, I just don't really understand why the God architect would create a physical universe external to its mind considering that it's all knowing. It then knows the universe entirely, which means the entire universe is in its mind. So I don't understand why it would create a physical universe as well as knowing the entire universe where the entire universe exists as its mind as well. So I don't think that the god created a physical universe. I think it's only thoughts.
Do do you believe that your god is all knowing?
>> Yeah, of course.
>> Right. That would mean that your entire life is within your god's mind then, right?
>> For me, that puff is mine to follow.
>> Well, forget about the entire life. You right now are in your god's mind.
in some way.
>> What do you mean?
>> It knows what you're doing right now and it knows what I'm doing right now. So, it's its mind basically is a simulation.
>> No, God is all knowing, therefore knows everything that is happening currently or in the future, >> right? So, that would mean that it's that would mean that it's currently imagining >> in the past because that's us, >> right? So that would mean that it's your your God is then currently imagining what's happening right now.
>> No, God is creating what is happening right now or God has led me on this path where you came on my for you page. So that's my path. He's given me the shoes for the marathon. But what I'm doing is taking those steps which is the talking that we're doing to win or lose that marathon. No. Would you not say so?
Well, >> like we say, God doesn't God creates created humans but gives us a path. He doesn't He creates the path which would be the opportunity. It's like as it's like as if I get a job interview. That doesn't mean I've been given the job. It means I've been given the opportunity.
>> Yeah. But what I'm saying is that if God is all knowing, it then knows what you're doing right now and what everybody is doing right now perfectly, which means that it's imagining everything right now. Right.
No, it's understanding everything that's happening right now because imagine means imagination. So in my imagination like imagination is anything and everything.
Uh it's like uh I wouldn't say imagine but witnessing.
He's witnessing everything that has happened. He's not imagining it. He's witnessing everything.
>> It's almost it's almost as if God has eyes. It's like it's like there was a person in front of us. They're not imagining it. They're witnessing it. But it's almost as if God um God can witness everything at the same time because he's all powerful, all knowing, and almighty.
>> Yeah. But in my worldview, like that, it's almost like that doesn't make sense. In my worldview, if the artificial intelligence creates a video game and we're all characters in the video game, it then knows the entire video game and it then basically imagines everything. that is easily understandable. The AI is the mind and the video game is the almost like the movie or the imaginary motion picture.
So it knows everything and as it as it is everything as the mind.
Okay, I understand that. So [clears throat] what you say in video games, if the AI knows everything, why are there different outcomes that can happen? Cuz if the AI knows I'm going to die, then how does the AI also know that I'm going to win the game? If you know what I mean. See, he's the AI would create that path, >> but it's your path to follow. So whether you choose, for instance, you're playing a game, you choose to >> the entire thing is determined.
Determined is my world view.
Then >> why would there be different outcomes?
>> I don't understand what you're asking.
or any other character no matter how many times that you play.
>> Uh there's only one there's it's not really like a video game. It's a more like a movie.
>> So how how would you explain that?
[clears throat] >> Um >> how how would you link it to a movie?
>> Well, it's more like an imaginary story.
like um a script writer writes a script for like Lord of the Rings or something and then that script transcends into a motion picture or a movie. Now just imagine the movie is 3D but the entire movie is the god mind or the writer's mind.
So it's all determined.
>> It doesn't I'm sorry but that doesn't add up to me. So you believe that there's a writer for a movie but then that writer is also the movie.
Um, if you write a book, you imagine what happens within the story, right?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. But I wouldn't say I am the book.
>> Well, the analogy kind of has to include other aspects that aren't really meant to be looked into. So, if you write a story, you're imagining the story within your mind.
So that's that would then be the movie but within your mind.
>> Yes, that would be my story. But when I create a story, I wouldn't consider myself to be the story or be the story to be a figure of my imagination.
Would you not say so?
>> Uh you can believe that if you want, but I'm basically just saying that my god does not have like a body. This is it.
It is just a mind.
So you believe that you are a piece of God living in the simulation of a god who doesn't have a a a body but everything that is happening you you know one a piece of all knowing but you don't know all knowing but everyone knows all knowing collectively because we are all god in a way but then you're also your own person and you believe that there's a writer for a story but that writer is also the story >> I think you're trying to [clears throat] uh you're over complicating it. You're looking too much into the analogies.
[clears throat and cough] >> All of this is knowledge in my world.
>> Trying to go off of everything you told me.
>> This is information.
>> Yeah, I'm going off the information that you told me and like basically saying it back in a way that would try to make sense. But from what you're telling me, no disrespect, there seems to be like a lot of contradictions.
I don't know if you noticed that.
>> What are they? What is one of them?
So [clears throat] I mean uh after you corrected yourself about the the um about the about the video game you said about it being a movie. So would you believe that Shakespeare is Romeo and Juliet because it happened in his imagination or would you believe that Shakespeare is the result of the imagination [sighs] uh Romeo and Juliet is the result of the imagination of Shakespeare because it's almost it's almost as if saying um um I created that book therefore I am that book would you not say well I I created that book therefore that book is a creation of me [snorts] Instead of considering yourself to be the book, you consider it to be a creation of you. [clears throat] >> Uh in my worldview, the pre- Big bang is the mental expansion where the mind builds onto itself. So just imagine one bit of information, one little like almost like a black screen on your computer or your monitor and then just a little dot being white and then that dot multiplies to two dots of white and three dots of white and so on. So then it it basically expands and then it becomes more complex through mathematics. Mathematics leads to physics. Physics leads to chemistry.
Chemistry leads to biology. Biology leads to psychology. Psychology leads to sociology. Sociology leads to economics.
Economics leads to pragmatism. Through economic economic prag pragmatism, we have all of this technology which then leads to artificial intelligence. So I'm basically saying that all of it is actually information and that information is a form of imagination or we're experiencing that part.
>> So would you would you consider your god or well so you don't really have a well not in no disrespect you don't really have a god or you do have a god but everything is god.
>> Yeah but like every single moment of time is a thought.
A thought of who or what?
>> The god.
>> Because a thought has to have a mind and that mind has to have some sort of self-awareness.
>> I don't know how you don't understand how what I'm saying.
The universe is a mind. Every single frame of time is a thought.
>> So then what would you consider us to be? Part of that mind.
>> Yeah.
So it's almost as if you have such a big thing and there's things within that thing within that thing within that thing continuous.
But every thing into a thing into a thing continuous has part of that mind and information.
>> It all is the mind.
>> Yeah.
Um, >> so would you believe the AI is also God in a way or a piece of God?
>> Uh, yeah, it's a piece of God you could say.
>> That's almost like my Jesus.
>> How would So how you believe that something created by human beings?
>> No, not really.
>> Shows how it was made.
>> So you don't believe AI is created by human beings even though there's >> the entire world is God. remember >> proof that you can see.
>> So if that So if everything is God and the whole world is God but then that piece of God shows you it creating something else which be a human that contains a piece of God creating AI which then would be another piece of God. Would you not sort of see how a thing of creation would happen?
>> Uh I'm not quite sure what you asked there. I don't think you get the idea.
It does seem very very complicated. I've explained it very easily though like just imagine the big bang to be a mind that then learns more and then it expands based on calculations like if this happened then this will happen right if I hold this and I let go then that happens these are all calculations it's almost like a simulation but it's just God's imagination >> so you so If I can summarize this as best as I can. So you believe the big bang was the creation of a mind. Uh that mind then learned more about itself.
>> Well no the big the big bang was the mind.
>> So the big bang was the mind which learned more things >> and also created more things.
>> Mind.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So you so you if I can simplify it then the big bang the mind created things um understood things and was just created in addition to itself like >> if the big so you would consider the big bang to be your origin of god >> not really there's a pre- big bang which is mathematics uh the big bang is the third dimension >> so what do you believe the origin of god like the first ever thing to ever exist of the god before expanding into itself, learning, creating, etc. The first thing would be >> uh it gets very complicated. I'm not finished with this part. It's either the number zero or the number one.
>> So you believe that uh God would be numbers >> technically. Yeah. Everything is a number. Like this has a height, length, and width. All of which can be reduced to numbers.
Wow. It it is a lot to go into and understand. May I ask how how did you find out about this uh like religion and how did you come to to the conclusion that it's the creation like the creation of everything?
>> How old was I or when how many years ago?
Um either either works.
>> Um it took over basically almost like 10 years of barely knowing but two years ago when I was around 29 I started to look into it a lot more. I spent around 3 months building version one of my ideology which was a 4-hour presentation and then I didn't work on it for a while and then for the last maybe 6 months or so I started working on version two. So, I've spent maybe like a year looking into it.
>> Um, is is this is this a religion or like is there other people that believe the same thing?
>> It's just me for now. I haven't released the version two.
>> That's your own religion?
>> Yes.
>> So, would you say that this religion of yours has rules?
Because from what I'm understanding, well, most religions have an almighty god. Almighty being better. So you believe also would you say communism where everything is as smart as equal as godly as the things before it next to it in front of it.
>> Um I don't understand what you asked there.
I'm not a communist. [snorts] Okay. So if you believe in capitalism, would you believe that also some things um you well you said that everything is a piece of God, right?
>> Yeah.
>> So if everything is a piece of God, would you believe everything is a piece of God equally or then some all out all and things are more more of a god than others?
[cough] Literally every single thing is an idea.
>> Everything is an idea. In my worldview, what you perceive as matter, I would just call things. What you perceive as energy, I would just call like states.
Everything is a thing and state of the imaginary story that is the god mind.
So, because you created this vision, can I ask how how it came to you that this was like the thing that made the most sense to you in a way?
>> Um, it would take me a while to explain.
I also have to get off now, but I'll just say that uh I wanted to create the greatest corporation that could be created and eventually it led to what you would call the mark of the beast and the beast government. So, I potentially created that. I know what it is.
So the 666 I I know what that is.
>> So would you uh in a way link it similar to Scientology?
>> I have no idea how you made that leap.
>> [laughter] >> I'm not very educated in Scientology, but I seen like sort of the I mean you said the greatest corporation, which I understand Scientology, Scientology have the same view.
>> Uh >> and their religion is based off of science, which you said the same about mathematics.
>> I don't think that they're based on science and chemistry.
>> I don't think it's based on science.
>> Or do you think it is?
>> I have no idea. from they they believe in like >> I'm not very educated or something.
>> Okay.
>> I I mean I also do have to get off but I mean I enjoyed talking maybe trying to learn a bit about your the religion that you created. Um is there is there anything um that maybe you learned or like thought differently about from when you went through your um simulation with me?
Did I change any aspects or did you see anything differently or create any new thoughts?
>> Um, I don't think so. Not really.
>> Okay.
Well, I'll thank you for the for your time that you took to talk about the subject. Uh, I did find it very intriguing and I did like answering the questions. Uh, testing myself as well to see the knowledge that I do preserve in my religion and what I can learn on. So, I thank you for that.
All right. Well, thanks for coming up.
I'm going to have to get off now. So, see you some other time.
>> Of course. Goodbye.
>> All right. Goodbye.
Okay. So, everybody, I'm getting off now. It is half 8 where I'm [snorts] from. Okay. Let's see. Don't forget to like and subscribe, everybody.
Oh my god. Somebody just say, "So, you're Eastern Orthodox?" No. Okay. Um, all right.
I'm getting off Tik Tok. Goodbye, everybody.
[snorts]
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