Is there a pathway for Kings to get OUT OF THE TAX? A discussion with Yossi Gozlan from Third Apron

[00:00:01]Draft, draft, draft, draft. We are so focused on the draft, but it's only one aspect of what we expect to happen here in Sacramento. It's going to be a crazy off seasonason. So, let's bring in a salary cap cap expert to help break all of this down.

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[00:00:32]>> Welcome in. I am James Hammer, Kings Insider for ESPN 1320, The Kings Beat, and of course, host of Locked on Kings.

[00:00:37]We got a busy show today. Uh we're going to welcome in Yosi Goslin from Third Apron. Absolutely spectacular uh when it comes to the salary cap and what's about to happen. In block two, we're going to talk about how to how does Yosi get rid of all of these bad veteran contracts and clean the deck so Scott Perry can actually do some work.

[00:00:56]Uh, and in the final block, we're going to talk about the aprons and the complexity of them and how they are impacting the league uh, like almost on a daily basis and whether they're going to be something that sticks around. Uh, so first up, let's welcome Yosi Goslam from the Third Apron. Man, how are you, especially this busy time of year?

[00:01:16]>> I'm doing well. It's still I'm at the finish line with this 30 team project.

[00:01:21]So, I'm really relieved to get that behind me because now it's time for moves to happen. I don't know what's going on. We haven't had any moves yet.

[00:01:30]Maybe Sham's blocked every single one of his followers. I I imagine something's had to have happened because how do we not have like even, you know, Trey Young's resigned with the Wizards or anything like that? So, I'm ready to react to news.

[00:01:44]>> I I I hear you. I think there might be a glit a glitch in the Matrix which of course the Matrix is uh Shams and uh especially when he gets on TV. It's like there is definitely a glitch on occasion. Um great dude uh and definitely the best of the best when it comes to breaking news. Um but we're all just kind of in a holding pattern. Um waiting to see what happens with Giannis, waiting to see, you know, what happens with Demonus Sabonis and all that stuff. Um, okay. So, in case anyone out there missed this, um, I did go on with Yosi on the the Third Apron podcast this week. Make sure to go check that out. He just mentioned it. He's doing all 30 teams. Um, I think he got to the Kings, one of the last ones because everyone hates us here in Sacramento.

[00:02:26]Uh, which is standard. Uh, like no one wants to really talk about the Kings when we're in this situation. Um, but it was actually a really cool discussion where we actually did a mock off season and you can go on there and making fun of me for being able to clear everything off the books and sort of move forward.

[00:02:44]Um, let's first of all, how did I do?

[00:02:47]How did I do?

[00:02:49]>> I thought it was a lot of fun. I think that's the biggest thing we can do because uh I think it's going to be better than what the actual result is like 100%. Um, but ultimately also I think we came around with a roster that I think 10 out of 10 uh Kings fans would agree. Yeah, I'd much rather see this than uh you know what we got going on right now.

[00:03:12]>> That's right. All right, so let's just jump into the bas basics. Where are the Sacramento Kings right now in the g grand scope of the salary cap, the the first apron, the second apron, and like just how bad off do they look as we sit uh like a couple of days before the NBA draft?

[00:03:30]>> So, the Kings are coming into the off season at a slight disadvantage where they have a very high payroll for a team that was, you know, one of the worst records in the league. Unlike the Bulls, unlike the Nets who have cap space, the Kings don't really have any spending flexibility right now. Uh the reasons that they've got the they got a lot of big contracts, but Zack Lavine's got that big player option. He's expected to opt into uh Sabonis making max level money. Uh D Rozan, DeAndre Hunter, Keegan Murray, Malik Monk, all making in the low to mid20s. It all adds up where they're above the luxury tax line and above the first apron and they're just below the second apron. So, what does that mean? Right now, they can't really do too much. Uh even if they were willing to spend all this money, they can't really add to this roster anymore.

[00:04:22]Uh they could really just do minimum signings. So, they are going to want to reduce their payroll, not just to get under the tax, but also so they can do a couple things. do some more trades, maybe do a signing because right now they're basically stuck.

[00:04:39]>> Yeah, they are basically stuck. It's a dark place to be. Do you have their cap number in front of you?

[00:04:45]>> I've got them their payroll is about 213 million. The first apron's 209 million.

[00:04:51]So, they are they're above the first apron. Uh I've got them just three million below the second apron.

[00:04:59]>> And that's with how many roster spots or do you factor that in?

[00:05:02]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. 12 players under contract so far, including the seventh pick. Uh and they have uh they have two second round picks, so I'm not factoring those in right now.

[00:05:12]>> Okay. Yeah. So, that's a dire spot to be because you're looking at basically enough money to sign those two second round picks and maybe stay underneath the luxury tax. I don't even think they could afford to bring back like Russell Westbrook on a league minimum deal. Uh if they're if they're not able to clear out uh you know, a specific amount. Um, I I think also I'd like to point out like when you're above the the first apron where the Kings are right now, um, like the the league limits what you can do, but also even a league minimum contract at that point, you know, a $3.3 million like veteran minimum uh, contract is going to cost them way more than that, right? Uh, just because of the the luxury tax implications.

[00:05:53]>> Yeah. Right now, a minimum signing it's about two and a half million, but it it might cost double that when you factor in the additional tax penalties. So, uh they're in all likelihood they're going to figure some way out to get below.

[00:06:08]That'll be the more interesting aspect of the offseason. But right now, like they can't even uh take on more salaries in a trade. That's the first apron restriction. They are limited to the small mid-level exception, the $6 million one as opposed to the bigger $15 million one. They have a couple trade exceptions from last year. They're not allowed to use those right now. It's another first apron restriction. Um they they're essentially like you can combine players in a trade, but it's got to be for someone making 100% of the salaries they're sending out. So, uh generally that's so that's the other element where they're going to want to be able to do more stuff than that and and saving money will help. Okay. So, yeah, I mean the bianual se exception is basically off the table. The mid-level exception is is restricted all the way down to six million. Um, again, you talked about they can't use their trade exceptions.

[00:06:59]What are their trade exceptions right now?

[00:07:01]>> They've got two one's worth 5.4 million.

[00:07:05]That's from Dario Sarich and then when they traded him to uh Chicago and then they have another one 5 million from the Yonas Valenunis trade for Daario Sarich.

[00:07:16]That one's going to expire soon. That one uh they have until July 13th to use.

[00:07:21]>> Okay. So, that's that's going to have to happen quickly if they're going to be able to use that. Um and and again, so people know like you can use your mid-level exception out there is a lot more complicated and easier to use.

[00:07:32]That's why you want to clear enough space so you can use your mid-level. You can break it into multiple contracts.

[00:07:37]You can break it into up to four years as opposed to like a bannual is only two years. like there are a lot more flexibility with that. How would the Kings get into a position where they could actually use how much money do they have to knock off their cap so they could actually get the full mid-level exception at this point?

[00:07:55]>> So, they're they're about 9 million above the first apron. So, not only will they want to reduce that, but you're probably going to want to reduce like another uh 15 million on top of that if you want to use the whole mid-level exception. So roughly 21 plus at a minimum if that's what you want to do and then even more than that if you want to then you need to fill up the rest of the roster. So I I think they probably want to save like you know 25 million if if possible because then also the mid-level exception now it's a trade exception as well. They could also use it to take in a player making up to that amount. So if there's no one, if they're unsuccessful in the free agent market, that could be another avenue for them to absorb a different player.

[00:08:39]>> Okay. So I I think the question that I want to ask that might like open this up to a bigger disc, how many teams are in the situation that the Kings are in where they're looking up, you know, at at this situation where they're so far over even the luxury tax that, you know, they need to start bailing water out.

[00:08:57]So there are teams like the Thunder and the Nuggets I would say who the Thunder they're gonna they just have like the roster just too expensive. It's not it just doesn't make sense. They're spending inefficiently if they run back the entire roster. They will probably look to move some of their uh players to get under the Nuggets. They are also going to reach a very unsustainable tax penalty if they resign Peyton Watson.

[00:09:26]So, it's possible they look to trade one of their vets, like any of them outside of Jokic to save money to uh subsidize that. Other than them, there's a couple teams that they're not like in the taxer aprons, but they're kind of in danger of getting into them depending on their moves. The Cavs, they're probably going to try to just stay under the second apron. Harden would would uh he would modify his contract to help with that, but they might even still need to trade a player to stay under it. Uh and then there's like the Suns, the Sixers, where teams like them, they're not in the tax, but they are not in a great position to bring back all their best uh free agents uh without exceeding the tax. And it seems like those teams don't want to spend it. So, those are like I would say the teams with the most delicate payroll situations right now.

[00:10:20]>> You know, it makes me ask a question.

[00:10:22]Are the Kings in the worst position out of all 30 teams when you factor in 22 wins as opposed to, you know, again, what you talked about with OKC and and Denver. I mean, it's fine to pay luxury tax dollar when you're a good team, but is there a team in like a more dire situation than the Kings? Not that they can't get out of it, but a more dire situation sort of walking into this off season.

[00:10:45]>> I think Denver is in the least desirable position this offseason. I would not want to if I had to pick one team like not to make their decisions for this summer, it's them because chances are whatever whoever they trade like what if it's like another Michael Porter Jr. trade where that guy explodes wherever he gets traded to. uh you need to negotiate the Peyton Watson contract if that's also who you want to bring back where like you you know hopefully that doesn't become a negative value like Christian Brown is looking and then there's the whole Jokic element where he's extension eligible they're just so much pressure to get this right to make sure he extends and even then they're they don't really have any draft picks they're going to still be limited to improve the roster ownership doesn't seem like they want to spend too much uh I would say, uh, you know, I I Yeah, Denver is a team that jumps out to me where I do not envy them at all.

[00:11:43]>> That's right. All right, Dallas. I mean, Denver is worse in worse shape than the Kings. Hooray, everybody. We did it. We did it. All right, we're going to step aside. When we come back, uh Yosi and I are going to fix the Sacramento Kings.

[00:11:55]We're going to strip it all down. We're going to make this a different roster.

[00:11:58]Uh the Kings are going to win a bunch of games and uh everything will be right in the world. We'll be back in just one sec.

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[00:15:29]Um, when we start diving into this, what is the easiest pathway for the Kings to save the most money right away so they might have the ability to at least breathe a little bit?

[00:15:43]So, the most ideal way I would say for them to save money would be in a trade.

[00:15:49]Can you find the team interested in Sabonis where not only are you getting positive value, but that team has given up the minimal amount of salaries needed, so you the the Kings could potentially save like over $10 million that way.

[00:16:06]>> So that's number one. Can you save a bunch of money there?

[00:16:09]>> Uh maybe so people know, what is the Sabonis makes roughly 46 million. How close do teams have to get? What's the percentage?

[00:16:19]I believe it's you have to get within 75% of his salary. So I yeah it's like something mid30s they got I don't have the number off the top of my head but >> if they expand the trade you get more teams involved.

[00:16:32]>> Uh maybe the Kings could take even fewer salaries because whatever salaries the team taking as a bonus is sending maybe that could be rerouted to a different team. So that alone could save the Kings a lot of money and then same could apply to some of their other veterans. Uh so yeah, trade ideally see if you could also save money there. You don't give up assets, maybe you get assets in the process.

[00:16:56]>> Okay, we also we have the Demard Rosen situation where the Kings have the opportunity to buy him out at 10 million and then use a stretch provision that could drop his salary from roughly 26 to 3.33 million per year. Um, is that is that enough to help them get closer to uh solveny of of sorts?

[00:17:17]>> So, what the interesting thing about D Rozan is I was saying, let's say the Kings at a minimum. They want to get under the tax far enough so they could use the full midle and stay under it.

[00:17:28]They need to save about 21 million.

[00:17:30]Stretching Demar De Rozan saves you 21 million because he's got that $10 million partial guarantee. If they just wave them out, right, you save $15 million doing that. If you stretch that 10 million uh 10 million, you're splitting those payments into three separate payments per season. So, now you save an additional 7 million on top of that. So that is I think I kind of think that's where the Kings go to with Demar because I don't I think that 25 million salary I don't really see an the appetite for him like on a good situation and even if he gets traded I would imagine chances are the team taking him in would just wave him after that. So, I anticipate him hitting the free agency market, whether it's with the Kings or another team. And that will probably, however, the Kings resolve that will should give the Kings the most uh immediate payroll flexibility that well should mostly eliminate this this uh pickle they're in.

[00:18:30]>> Yeah. But they still if they want to make any like reasonable additions, they're going to have to clear more space. Um you and I talked the other day about the Zack Lavine situation. Um, again, it's looking less and less. Well, I know for a fact the Kings do not want to stretch provision him. Even if they were to get him to buy out at a lower number, they don't want to stretch provision him. Um, the sign and trade situation, there just hasn't been any buzz at all about a potential deal, even though the Kings were very clear uh that they gave Rich Paul and and his group like cart blanch to go out and find a a deal that would make sense for Zach. So maybe he signs a three-year 90 somewhere and the Kings so he would opt out of his contract and then uh be signed and then traded and the Kings would be willing to take back some salary but not nearly as much. That's another avenue for for them to take in money but it doesn't feel like there's a lot of buzz with that at this point.

[00:19:27]Yeah, I I think with Lavine, it's going to be tough for another team to want to commit to like well above mid-level money for him at this point in his career, let alone trade for his $49 million even just to take a shot at him.

[00:19:45]what when we were discussing I started to get more into the idea like you know I I kind of think he might also end up in a buyout situation as well because if you're the Kings you could keep that salary for a potential trade but if you want the immediate flexibility chances are you're going to save more money in a buyout versus getting a team interested in taking him for the minimal amount required to get him. So, I see this ending in two ways for the Kings.

[00:20:15]One, we could do the type of trade that you and I uh ended up doing where you trade him to a cap space team like the Bulls or uh and you bring in Patrick Williams who's got three years left on this contract at $18 million a year. You could they could also do it with the Nets. I'd even think of it. Terrence man, same thing. He makes like $15 million a year. So, that would be where the Nets, they just want to get off that long-term money. So that's just another framework where they could save the a lot of money. Like we're talking 30 million plus immediately. Uh or I think and this one I I kind of think this would be the most likely at this point.

[00:20:51]I haven't seen anyone really talk about it, but just as I look around and and just assess the situation, I feel like a buyout just makes a lot of sense where if he could give up something around the mid level, you save probably more money than you could realistically do on the trade market. and that's his best way to get to a good situation immediately. Uh versus waiting out playing the situation. I don't think I I would if I'm him, I would rather figure that out now like who's the team that values me and wants me uh versus doing that in the trade deadline and then you know you've signed for the minimum and you know it I think it I would you know the sooner the better in that types situation I think.

[00:21:34]>> Okay. And so basically what you're saying there is that the Kings go to Zach and say, "Hey, look, we think you can get the mid-level exception out on the open market. Uh we'll wave you, but we're going to need you to take that 15 million off the top, so we'll pay you 34. We're not going to stretch provision you. We're just gonna have you walk away with a giant check and you can go and sign with another team hopefully for that mid-level type money where you you're going to make enough money this year to make up for that, but then you might be able to get a second or a third year at a higher rate than maybe you could in another way, right?

[00:22:08]Yeah, I would anticipate it's more uh you know, Zach's reps are already probably hoping to communicate with teams, see what's out there, see who's interested, and if there's a team or two saying, "Hey, we'll give you the mid-level on a one-year deal or oneplus 1," then they would communicate that to the Kings. And then I would say just kind of up to the kings. Do they want to hold on to that salary for a potential trade or do they want to take the savings now and also do them the favor?

[00:22:38]Uh yeah, I I like I said, I haven't seen anyone even suggest that uh as a possibility.

[00:22:46]I would if I had to just pick one of the options, I think that ends up being the most likely option.

[00:22:51]>> Yeah. And that way again if you partner that with like the 21 million you could save for Demard Rosen all of a sudden you are looking at a team that's under the luxury tax under maybe even closer to the salary cap um where you can start to make at least some sort of move to offseason even if that's just accepting another contract from a different team and maybe some draft capital. So that would be one way. Um I I'm hearing positive things about a possible return uh to Sacramento for Precious Aua. Um, what mechanisms are out there to pay precious uh outside of just giving him a league minimum deal? And how much money do the Kings sort of have to clear out to to do this?

[00:23:32]>> If they want to pay him a little more than the minimum, so they have his non-bird rights. That's the rights you acrew after being with the team for one year. So they could give him 120% of his minimum salary. So something in the low $3 million range. Uh, alternatively, if they wanted to give them more, I they could give them they could use the mid-level, the bannual if they want to go a little higher. I would anticipate the non-bird should be uh enough at the highest end.

[00:24:01]>> Okay. So, you're thinking that he's probably 3 million roughly dollar $3 million player at this point, a little bit above a league minimum contract. Um, and once he gets done with this next season, you know, say signed a two-year deal or something, then he would um, you know, even get early bird rights next summer and full bird rights a year after that. Correct.

[00:24:22]>> Yep. Exactly. So then there's really no cap like they they'll be able to pay him really anything reasonable.

[00:24:29]>> Okay, perfect. All right, we're gonna step aside one more time. when we come back, like there's so much talk about the aprons and we're talking to someone who literally uh his his, you know, baby, his his YouTube channel, his his podcast is called the third apron. Uh which there's no such thing as a third apron, but we're going to have him break down um the the apron sit situation and whether it's a good thing for the league or not. We'll be right back.

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[00:26:33]All right, welcome back. And we have Yosi Goslin from the Third Apron. Um, and let's talk let's talk big picture.

[00:26:39]The aprons have had an incredible impact on the NBA as a whole. Um, and I I think my first question is, is this system sustainable? Because it does feel like even the Oklahoma City Thunder, who have been so careful with their money and signed all these, you know, spectacular long-term low money extensions with all their players, all of a sudden they're facing the same thing that everybody else is facing, which is a gigantic tax bill. if they want to keep that team together.

[00:27:10]>> I think the system it's it's like workable, but I think they went a little too aggressive on some of these uh penalties and mechanisms they added to really dissuade teams from wanting to be in the second apron or more so even deepen the tax because there's there's two things going on with the new CBA.

[00:27:31]One, yes, there is a second apron. We just heard James Dolan from the Knicks yesterday go on the radio and said, "I'll pay a big check, but I don't want to be in the second apron." Um, I I think there there's a diff there's a difference between those two things where when you're in the second apron, uh, you could be in it for a little bit.

[00:27:50]When you're in it long enough, then you can have your these draft pick penalties. You can't trade them. And eventually, if you're in it for too long, that one draft pick could fall to the end of the first round. So, I think that is a very effective way to get teams to uh tone down their spending at some point. But a lot of teams don't even have the opportunity to get there because what they also did was increase the tax brackets. They made the rates even more expensive the deeper you are in the tax. So, and and then there those even those those levels multiply. those rates multiply once you're in the repeater tax. When you're when you've spent when you've been the tax for enough seasons, then you pay even higher rates, which something the Knicks are going to have to face as soon as next year. So, I they added like a lot of different things where it's already so punitive for teams just to like have their core for like, you know, more than two years. So they they definitely shortened the window where under in the previous CBA you could see a team have like a you know maybe a four maybe even like a fiveyear window where they're spending a lot of money and making a run where now we saw the Celtics after two years they they let it go. The the Thunder we'll see they're they're built a little better for it. Maybe they could last longer. Uh the Knicks I I suspect this is like a two-year thing now for the rest of the of this build. So, I I hope that once they do reconvene talk, they could scale back like one of these things. Like, are you going to lower the the pick the the the luxury tax penalties a little bit or you going to scale back on these draft pick penalties because I think it's overkill?

[00:29:34]>> Yeah. I mean, I think for a lot of teams, I mean, if you're the Knicks, like, who really cares if they push your draft pick to the end of the draft because you're already at the back end of the first round. Um, so I I guess you could be you could look at it that way if you're like the OKC's, the the Spurs.

[00:29:50]Um, you know, again, if you start running into multiple times, but you're right, the tax penalty it's, you know, Joe Leup was always willing to pay the giant, you know, check, but I mean, he was up paying upwards of like 200 million in luxury tax dollar. And it just gets to be like so cumbersome and now they've stripped away a lot of the ability to do that. I think technically this was supposed to help smaller market teams like the Kings, but it also shows you like the fragility of the league.

[00:30:18]You you build like the original Beam team, you add like one player and in one year and all of a sudden the Kings are like in financial ruin when it comes to the salary cap. And it's almost like if you don't hit it and get all the way to the end where you're actually making real money, but television money and everything else, it's very prohibitive now to to build these uh sort of long uh sustainable winners. Um the Kings have been hardcapped uh at the first apron two years in a row. That's another thing that seemed extremely punitive for just doing a signin trade. Do you think that that's something that will stick around?

[00:30:57]And to be honest with you, I think the Kings have intentionally hardcapped themselves, so they can't go up and and spend any more money. But I I also don't believe a team that wins 22 games should be paying the luxury tax.

[00:31:10]>> I suspect that's going to stick around.

[00:31:13]I think a lot of teams had a lot of problems with teams like, you know, the Lakers 15 years ago having such a high payroll and sign and trading for Steve Nash. I mean, like, that didn't work out for them, but just examples of that where these teams, they they're already at an advantage and they're trying to figure out ways to make it a little harder for them. I feel like stuff like that might stick around. I do think what they did where you can't really in uh take in a little bit more money in a trade that cause has caused a lot of issues in the league where now if you are an apron team or pretty close to it you pretty much need to have a third team or fourth team involved in many cases just to get a a trade through the finish line. Uh if there's two teams at the apron they basically can't trade with each other. So, I as a CAB guy, I I don't mind where just as far as like seeing more teams involved in a trade that that interests me, but I do think making it more restrictive just to make just to make certain trades. I think that's a problem. And I would see like, you know, why instead of doing a 100% salary match, what what if it's like a 5%, you know, uh >> allowance? Something like like something very minimal. Like really 100% like what if you're like a couple thousand short?

[00:32:35]You really going to you know I I think there should be >> stop a trade. Yeah. Yeah. It it's interesting. It does feel like the league has been so reactionary the last couple years whether it's the aprons or now what they're doing with the NBA draft lottery. It does feel like they're they're sort of overstepping and then having to maybe look at the next couple years of of correcting the course that they're on. And I wish it wasn't so reactionary and they maybe thought these things through a little bit better and and tried to get uh like a I don't know something a package through the you know to the to the finish line that made sense for everybody and I know that's really difficult to do but um it does feel like the league has been extremely reactionary to me.

[00:33:22]Yeah, I would say lottery reform is probably the >> especially that one because that one it wasn't like, hey, we reconvene at this time to talk about lottery reform. It's like, no, we got to do this now.

[00:33:34]>> Mhm. Yeah.

[00:33:36]>> Yeah. It's like we decided not to police our teams and literally let them throw entire seasons. And we don't know how that happened. It happened because you didn't say anything to them and you find them pennies on the dollar. That's how it happened. We all know that's how it happened. So, uh, lastly, um, the NIL money, uh, and and the transfer portal and the way that we're seeing the draft sort of morph itself, it does feel like that's a way that could save some of these lottery teams. And I know, I mean, not lottery teams, but uh, these teams with their their massive salary cap situation because I'm sitting here going to pre-draft workouts and everybody is 22, 23, 24 years old. They're a lot of them have played for multiple teams, so they have multiple systems in their brains already. Um, it does feel like you're you're getting a more NBA ready product. uh when it comes to these later uh you know second round picks. I think the number one is the value of second round picks going to go up, but also um it kind of feels like this is something that that is right to have players that are coming into the league that are, you know, more mature, that are more ready to compete and maybe their their career span isn't as long as it, you know, some of the guys at the top end of the draft, but at least you're able to get some players uh that that might be able to help your team later and might be able to help your payroll.

[00:34:56]>> That's interesting. I haven't really thought about those those implications because we're still very early in this like we're you know we still need to see what happens when those players actually get drafted. Uh I wonder if also maybe coming into the league with some some sense of financial stability could also help them. Uh you know not maybe like you you get rid of that sense of anxiety and maybe that's something that that helps players focus more uh knowing that you're coming into the league maybe with like5 to10 million dollars in your pocket. Uh, no, that's interesting to see how how that impacts the second round or like the end of the first round a couple years from now.

[00:35:33]>> Yeah, it's very interesting stuff. All right. Uh, thanks so much for joining us. Uh, this is Yosi Goslin, of course, from Third Apron, but you also do work everywhere else. So, uh, why don't you tell us where the good people can find you?

[00:35:47]>> So, you guys can follow me, uh, subscribe to Third Apron, wherever you get your podcast, and I also have a Substack as well where I get very deep into the salary cap analysis. So, on the podcast, I released my uh offseason preview and mock offseason with James.

[00:36:01]So, you guys can check that out, see all the moves we did. Uh, and then I also went a little deeper on the salary cap analysis, why I feel like this might be a summer of buyouts for the Kings. And then, uh, you can follow me on Twitter at my name for instant salary cap analysis as soon as the Kings make their big moves and I'll make sense of it all of it all to you. And uh also I uh want to talk about this program I'm involved in uh sports business classroom. If you are ever, you know, ever thought you're interested in trying to get into the industry somehow in the NB, that's NBA adjacent, uh, CAP, uh, scouting, analytics, whatever it is. I will be an instructor at this program in Vegas summer league where it's a very good uh marketing play uh not not marketing sorry it's a very good networking event where you can uh go and get a you know like uh start meeting a lot of people that are in the industry or others trying to get in and just kind of get an idea of what that's like and I'll be instructing the salary cap so whatever it is you want to learn there will be some good people there uh teaching you it so if you're interested want to know more information about that, check out sportsbusclassroom.com.

[00:37:12]>> Yeah, sports business classroom is absolutely spectacular. It has some of the best of the best minds in the game working and teaching, even if it's just for trying to learn more about the salary cap. I think it's absolutely spectacular. Uh it's one of those things uh that Larry used to be involved with, my my friend Larry who now just builds guitars instead. um you know, but still some some great minds there and I'm I'm happy to see that you're there as well. All right, uh everybody out there, thanks for tuning in. Make sure to subscribe and follow Locked On King so you get all of our latest episodes. Hit the notification button so you get an alert when we go live. Um jump in the chat in on YouTube and make noise. I always find that humorous. Uh, and if you never miss an episode that every day or club is built for you, get locked on kings ad free, plus members only discord access and more. Head to locked onkings.supcast.com to join the club. For those of you on video, we send you to the first ever 247 National NBA YouTube channel. On the audio side to make sure your second listen to the day is NBA game night on locked on NBA. Hey, we'll see you over the weekend. The draft is almost here.

[00:38:21]It's going to get crazy. It's going to get fun. If we have to do a special pod, it's because something special happened.

[00:38:26]So hopefully I will see you on Sunday night, Monday morning. If not, uh it could be sooner because, you know, something could break. We'll see. Uh thanks for tuning in.

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