In family court proceedings, judges follow specific procedures to determine paternity and establish child support obligations, including verifying roles of court participants, reviewing financial documentation from both parties, addressing issues like insurance coverage, medical bills, daycare costs, and ensuring proper communication protocols between parties. The court balances the legal rights of both parents while prioritizing the best interests of the child.
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Trial - 25CV017434 Chance v. Weems
Added:Come on.
Come on.
You're not Miss Chance. You are Miss Chance.
>> No, I'm her interpreter.
>> If you'd come sit next to the interpreter, please.
And you're Mr. Williams?
>> Yes, sir.
>> You're Mr. Patillo?
>> Yes, Ron.
>> Patio Patillo.
>> Doesn't matter.
>> It does matter. How do you say it to your mom?
>> Oh, Patillo.
>> Patillo. Mr. Patillo, it is. All right, we're going to get started in one second.
So before we get into any substance or even procedure related, related to the case. I need to understand what your role is. Your last name is >> Sorry, I'm taking down uh Leblanc.
>> LeBlanc, Miss Leblanc, you are here to do what?
>> I'm here uh taking down what everybody's saying so that you can read it.
Are you a court reporter or someone who is translating spoken word to typed word not for making an official record but for assisting someone?
>> Correct.
>> The latter.
>> The latter.
>> Okay. Got it. Um that's fine. I just needed to understand. So you're not generating a record that in the end Mr. Patillo could say I want a copy of Takeown as well and that would go up on appeal >> there. You No.
>> Well, that's what I thought. And so, Deputy Gordon came to me and said, "There's someone with what looks something like a stenographers's machine setting up at what I'll call council table rather than at the court reporter space." So, you are assisting Miss Chance.
Got it. Okay. Um, then we're going to press on. Um, this is 25 CV 017434.
I'm Judge Mc Bernie meeting each of you for the first time. This was a case originally assigned to Judge Ellerby when Miss Chance filed her paternity action. Judge Ellerby has transitioned out of the family division and I have transitioned in. So I took over her docket case for case. Um and this happened to be scheduled for a final hearing after her departure and my arrival. So I'm handling the final hearing. Um, Miss Chance filed her prosay, meaning self-represented, um, complaint for determination of paternity, back in December of last year, related to her daughter, Natalie Chance Jr., and she named Mr. Williams as the respondent. Uh, Mr. Williams has retained Mr. Patilla as counsel. At one point there was an answer and a counter claim for legitimation. That was all struck by Judge K, the judicial officer who presided over this case until it reached the point of final hearing. Um, so what we're moving forward on is the original determination of paternity and what flows from that. I know there have been discovery issues and concerns and it's been fairly animated from what I've been able to read from some things that were in the record and some of the email traffic um that has gone through Miss Niles, my staff attorney. Um when we proceed today, um both sides should know I will hear from both sides. So there's no need to object because you disagree with something you heard. That's not a valid objection. Um, if you have a legal objection based on some rule of evidence, um, then we can talk about that. But if you just disagree with what the other person says and really want to say, "Judge, that's not true." Don't interrupt. Um, you will have an opportunity to be heard. I promise I will hear from both sides more than once um, as we navigate this. Um, but that's my overview of where I think we are and what we're working through today. Miss Chance, I'm going to let you go first in terms of what I call setting the table.
So, no, we're not getting into evidence right now. I want you to tell me what you thought we were going to accomplish today. Then I'll ask Mr. Patillo the very same. And hopefully we're pretty closely aligned in terms of what the objectives are for today. When we've agreed on those, then um you as petitioner, Miss Chance, will have the chance to present your evidence. Um and then I'll pivot to Mr. Patillo and he'll do what he's going to do on behalf of Mr. Williams. Okay.
>> Gotcha. So um today I just feel like we were supposed to talk about the paternity being that all of Mr. W's motions were struck. Um kind of that was a different it was a different setting when we went to mediation. Um no >> when you say it was a different setting, what do you mean?
>> The only thing that was presented by the attorney was just custody things.
Nothing. And we were supposed to go basically with the financials. The financials were still never turned over.
Even there was a new order put out to turn over the financials. It's like I paid to go to mediation for nothing cuz you did not come with the documents again. It was seven times the court order these documents.
>> Okay. Now you're getting into substance.
Um I just wanted to make sure we're in agreement as to what we're working through which it sounds like his paternity and then the consequences thereof. If if Mr. Williams is Natalie Chance Jr.'s 's father, then that generates certain obligations on his part, which would be child support. I know there's been a lot of back and forth about insurance coverage. I think that's been sorted out, but I don't need you to say yes or no quite yet cuz cuz you'll get a chance to cover that. But it sounds like you agree that what we're working through today is the question of paternity and um the consequences, the financial and legal obligations that flow from that. Do you agree with that?
>> I agree with it. Okay, Mr. Patillo, your thoughts about what we're doing today.
>> Yeah, thank you so much, your honor. Um, the question on paternity was resolved in February. Mr. Williams took a paternity test, turned the information over to the court and to Miss Chance.
Uh, thereafter, we filed a uh counter claim on the question of uh custody because Mr. I have serious concerns about um the care and custody of the child. Of course, in uh the current custodial parents care and would like uh the court to address the issue of custody of the child. Uh we've turned over our financial affidavit. We've turned over W2 uh W2s to the court. We've turned over child support worksheet. We've turned over uh our consent parenting plan. And Mr. Wing simply wants to go forward with the terms of consent to to parenting plan.
>> Okay. Couple questions about that and then I think we can get into substance.
Um you mentioned counter claim and and um related things. You agree that Judge Kay has resolved those?
>> Yes.
>> Not necessarily in the way you'd want them resolved, but those aren't properly before me now.
>> Correct. We'll revol those at a later date.
>> Okay. Um and I think I think um he indicated you could do that at a later date. Um, when you say you've turned things over to the court, W TWS, etc., etc., whatever you are representing that you handed over to the court, copies would have been made available to Miss Chance as well.
>> Yes, sir. Miss Niles has made it very clear to all parties that all parties would be included on all emails and correspondents to the court.
>> Okay. I'm not doubting that you did. I just wanted the way you described it. I want to make sure there wasn't a mistake on your part that well I need to get the exhibits to the court because we say that and they didn't also flow to Miss Chance. But you're not relying on anything. You don't intend to rely on anything today that has not already been presented to Miss Chance.
>> No.
>> Okay. And it may have been presented later than you wanted. Um but we'll see.
We'll we'll march through this. Um I've got the exhibits um in a folder here and and um when it's Mr. for Williams' opportunity to present evidence. Um, we'll work through that and that would be a chance for you, Miss Chance, to say, "I am seeing this document for the first time in my life." Um, and then Mr. Patillo will be able to show me if he can, well, actually, here's an email that delivered those documents to Miss Chance and to Miss Nile. So, we'll take it one step at a time. Um, but I'm going to turn to you then, Miss Chance, and ask you to present um what you want to present. Um it doesn't sound like we need to um relitigate paternity. It sounds like um the test was taken. Mr. Williams is Natalie Jr. if I can call her that. Um Natalie Junior's biological parent. Um and from that flows legal obligations and some legal rights um that he may seek to vindicate um partially today but maybe through other proceedings that he would need to bring.
Um so it sounds like we would be focused more on um the financial obligations that flow in terms of child support um uh covering medical expenses etc. Um, so I'm going to ask you to make whatever presentation you want. If you want to testify, in other words, talk about things, not just here's an exhibit you can see from this exhibit, this is the salary I make, etc., etc., um, then you need to be put under oath. Um, because, um, one, testimony needs to come under oath, but two, um, Mr. Patillo has an opportunity to ask you questions. It's not just you get to tell your side of it and because you're not on the witness stand, then they don't get to ask questions. And they may have no questions for you. But if there are things you're going to relay to me, not through the admission of records, but through your spoken word, then that needs to be under oath. And when you're done talking about the things you want to discuss, you should know that I'll turn to Mr. Patillo to see if he's got any questions for you about the things you talked about. Does that make sense?
You got to answer out loud. Yes. Okay.
All right. Um, then we can proceed however you want to proceed.
>> I just deliver my documents.
>> First, there's a motion in for contempt.
>> Say that again.
>> There's a motion for content. And I think >> there are a lot of motions for contempt.
Um, and so I need you to be a little more specific about um which one or ones >> one there's one for child support.
>> The child support was paid, but I put in for a um a ruling to see why it wasn't paid on time.
>> So why don't you let me know where you think we are right now with with child support? I know at one point none had been paid.
Let me take one step back. My understanding is that the obligation uh Mr. Williams to pay child support the the court ordered obligation began I think it was in June of this year. So, not long ago, um, a month plus some weeks and it set I'm get the number a little off, $900 and something dollars a month. And in the month of June, you contend no payment was made. And then for a while in July, no payment had been made because you filed a motion. Um, but it sounds like in the interim something has been paid.
>> Yep. The the child support has been paid.
>> Okay. Is it is it current as in as of today which is July 22, Mr. Williams has paid two months of child support?
>> Yeah.
>> And when he paid that, did he hand you a bag of cash or was it a zel transfer?
How does he get the funds to you?
>> He zeld it to me during mediation.
>> Okay. Um, is zel an acceptable form of payment for you?
>> It is.
>> So on a going forward basis, zel works.
It does.
>> Did the judge establish a date by which payment should be made each month?
>> He did. The first of each month.
>> First of each month. Although I guess for the first month it wasn't the first cuz it was a few days in. So in a week and a few days, I guess it's going to be next Saturday is the first um two Saturdays from now. Um Mr. Williams would be expected to sell you another whatever the amount is.
Correct.
>> And that would be consistent with what you understand the court order to be >> consistent.
>> Okay. U Mr. Patillo, um is that your understanding of how the flow should work?
>> I mean, yes, sir. And um my understanding the order says the third of each month by we can check that in the >> we'll check and I that I think fits because I think that's when the order was entered and so it created the immediate obligation. And I'm not trying to change anything. The order says what it says and that's where we are now. I'm free to amend the order if the parties agree or I conclude that the 15th makes more sense because of when Mr. Williams gets paid, but we'll talk about that.
>> Um, but there is a date certain each month by which Mr. Williams is to pay that amount to Miss Chance.
>> Yes, your honor. And the reason it wasn't um paid on the 3rd of June was because Mr. Williams was filing through uh his employer, which is Fulton County, to have it directly taken from his check. And there's a lag time in that taking place. So, he simply paid her cash at mediation or through sale at mediation. Um, while that paperwork is processed through, once it's processed through, then he'll be directly uh coming out of his paycheck.
>> And how does that flow to Miss Chance?
It it is it like an ETF? It's a funds transfer. It wouldn't be a zel from the county.
>> No, it would just be a direct transfer from his bank account to her bank account.
>> Okay. So, Mr. Williams had Miss Chance's bank account information so that he could make that transfer work.
>> That's correct.
>> Yes, sir. Uh, that is correct. Uh, the what Mr. Patill said, the order came out on the 17th of June, so it went retroactive back to the third and third of each month. So, I took care of both of those payments.
>> Okay. I appreciate you've taken care of them. I want to make sure that whatever you're trying to set up with the county for what I'm going to call automatic transfer um is going to the right place.
You obtained from Miss Chance routing information.
>> Okay, got it. And when should that be effective? Um it's been a delay and that well that was the whole reason for the delay because I have emails which I sent to the payroll. Uh >> I'm not I'm not concerned because you have made Miss Chance whole on my watch.
You're not behind yet. Um so what I want to know is what's your best guess as to when the automatic transfer will be working? because if it's not working as of August 3rd, you're going to sell her the money. Um because Miss Chance will let me know if you don't and I would encourage her to let me know and you'll keep on the third of each month selling her the money until the automatic transfer kicks in. I'm wondering what your expectation is at that third. Yes, sir. And that's what I was trying to explain to you. I've sent it to two different offices. They sent it to another office was a delay. So during she mentioned mediation, I said, "Let me just send it to you." I don't know when it will Fortune County will get in line with this.
>> Okay. I wouldn't hold your breath. Um, as a Fulton County employee, I find that things don't always flow quickly when you're trying to do a direct deposit or withdrawal eventually it will kick in and then it's mechanical.
>> How are you going to know on August 3rd whether you need to zelch chance the money or it's been pulled out? I will confirm uh with payroll.
>> Okay. And if they say it's not ready yet, then by close of business on the 3rd, you would transmit through zel that amount to Miss Chance.
>> And then we'll repeat the process on September 3rd if it's not in place.
>> Okay. Um Miss Chance, I want to turn back to you then. Um it sounds like um Mr. Williams is current. Um time will tell when we get to August 3rd what happens. Um but um he's told me in front of you that uh if the automatic transfer is not working then you'll see another zel um on the 3. Um and then hopefully if not by August 3rd by September 3rd no one needs to do anything. It it's just a matter of course the county transfers that into an account. Um did you provide an account number to Mr. for Williams.
That's an account that works for you.
>> He asked for no account number. I provided no account number.
>> Okay. Um since we're on the issue, I want to clear things up when we can. Um what bank do you think the money is being sent to when it's going to be transferred from your pay?
>> It will uh be transferred from Chase Bank and I have previous bank account information. That's how I was able to send the other two. But cha Chase is your bank, >> right? And to what bank is it that you would be sending things?
>> Uh the zale um I don't have to look that up honestly because I have previous bank information and when you just hit zale it just goes to the directive. So it's worked always in the past but I don't have to look that up to see which bank it's actually going to. It's just listed currently under her name.
>> Okay. And I I'm I'm not asking my question well, but it sounds like what you shared with the county to ensure that money is transferred to Miss Chance is the bank account information you had that allows you to sell money to Miss Chance.
>> That's correct.
>> Okay. So, whatever bank account of hers into which your zel transfer goes is the same account that the county transfer would go.
>> It is.
>> Okay.
>> And I will find that as active.
>> I I don't I don't need it. um as long as you believe that that pipe h is being constructed. And that's why I was asking Miss Chance. I want to make sure that the um receiving end of the pipe is her account and not Fred Jones's account because you you didn't know and you just typed in an account number. Okay. Um we'll see how that plays out.
>> I just send him an account number because there's no way he's just going to give them the zel information and it's going to come. So I will send >> that would be great. And then he can confirm with the county that that's the account number. And um to be very clear, and we'll make sure this is in whatever final order comes out, um until the automatic transfer is in place, um Mr. Williams has the obligation on the third of each month to confirm was a transfer made, no it wasn't, then he needs to zel. We know the zel works. Um and he'll keep doing that unless and until the county automatic transfers in place. But if you would send him the account information of your choosing, um, then he can use that to make sure that's where the countyy's going to send it.
>> Yes.
>> So, um, that's child support. Is there more you want to discuss about child support?
>> Child support. Um, the documents, I haven't received the documents.
>> When you say the documents, I'm >> financial documents. He stated, I think his attorney was meaning that they were included in an email. They're not uploaded in the court system as they were supposed to be. And if you could ask him for the date and time that he sent those emails, I don't have them.
>> So, um, two different things. Um, people aren't required to necessarily file in the court system their financial documents. They need to share them. And so, if I've got them, it was because they were emailed, not because they're in a public docket where anyone could see them, especially if they have social security numbers or account numbers. um that isn't always a wise choice to put that in a public-f facing um database. Um so I I I I don't expect and I don't know that Mr. Patillo has eiled financial records. Um you're entitled to records as part of discovery. Um but I didn't get the sense that we were today revisiting the child support amount. Did you contest the the finding? Um I'm assuming it was Judge Kay who came up with the child support amount.
>> It was well yes it was Judge K and I did and that's why he made us exchange financials again.
>> Okay.
>> And Mr. Williams has an additional job and that additional job was not included and even he stated he doesn't receive an income for that. So that means he's undermployed. So he chooses to be undermployed and the amount of hours that he works for that particular job needs to be calculated because that means he can be working another job and give more benefit to the child.
>> Okay.
So um Mr. Patillo, tell me um trying to find >> You should see the uh W2 from both 20 24 and 25 as well as the financial affidavit.
>> Yep. Hold on one second.
>> Can you forward me the document? I don't >> Just just hold on a sec.
Okay, >> I'll just create a separate email with just those documents on it and I'll send that right now.
>> But I I'm now I took me a minute to get into the um information here. Um your documents have interesting labels. They say things like baby shower gifts um and happy mother's day. What what would I look at that would be financial records?
>> I actually should say financial records on it, but let me just make sure that's the title of it.
SS iss financial affidavit Fulton Yeah, just recent just those three documents separately.
>> Okay. Um recent to Miss Niles and to Miss Chance.
>> Okay. Yeah, cuz there's nothing in the folder um into which Ms. Niles put the exhibits you had sent. Um it looks like it's a lot of emails. I'm just going based on the um labels you put on there.
Um but um not what you just mentioned.
So Miss Niles will forward that to me um once um she gets it. Um all right. So you're helping me understand, Miss Chance, that one of the things we need to work through this afternoon is what is a more complete financial picture for both of you. Um and see where that gets us. Um, anything else in connection with child support?
>> No, that's the only thing in connection with child support.
>> You need to speak louder.
>> No, that's the only thing in connection with child support.
>> Okay. Um, what other topics did you want to cover today? Let's I know insurance.
Let's talk about insurance. Um, it looked like as I was going through some things that are actually in the docket, so public things, I saw an insurance card. Um, uh, the Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield standardisssued county insurance card for your daughter. Um, is that something you have now?
>> I do have it now.
>> Okay. I know you didn't have it before and that was >> the physical card is what I'm waiting for because most of the the providers need the physical card for the first appointment and I made that clear two two months ago.
>> Okay. So, he sent me an email yesterday and told me that he called yesterday for the card. And >> gosh, what I look what I saw looked like a photo copy of it. Maybe it's a digital version of the card.
>> It is. So, he waited until yesterday to send for the the card is what he emailed me. And then I called myself to see was a card ever mailed out or anything.
There was a card mailed out. Mr. Wings needs to perfect his address. The address that he's given me in the court is not the address that they have on file. And three month two months ago when he had the card mailed, it went to his Sandy Springs address. So in addition, if Mr. Williams is going to be, can we have him just perfect the address that he's using?
>> Okay. You don't have a physical insurance card yet? Um, >> and I have a contempt for the insurance card there, too.
>> I I know. Um, so you're saying that the medical providers that your daughter is seeing won't rely on um the insurance policy because they don't have the physical card.
>> Some will and some won't. So, and we're waiting to see Respiratory cuz who we got referred to with respiratory, they're a smaller um they're a smaller uh office and they want the card, but they're considered top-notch for what they feel like she has.
>> Okay.
So, Mr. Patillo, the email I've got, it's got all the exhibits that are in um the directory and there's nothing that starts with DR. Um it's again, it's I'm assuming it's like an email. One of them says, "I'm at her cardiology appointment. They would like her insurance card." I'm assuming that's a PDF of an email.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. So, um if you're in Zoom, um you can share >> No problem at all.
>> Exhibits.
>> Um Miss Chance, while Mr. Patillo is doing that. Um, you're entitled to the insurance card. So, we'll figure out how that gets to you. Other insurance matters you want me to address?
>> So, we have some outstanding insurance um well, outstanding medical bills.
>> I got to pause you one second. Um, the email just came through, Mr. Patillo.
So, there's DR financial affidavit and then a couple W2s.
>> Yes, honor. And Miss Chance should have those as well now.
>> Okay. I interrupted you, Miss Chance.
I'm sorry.
>> Hi. Um, Mr. Williams was presented the medical bills and it says and it's a one of them is abnormally large. It's 38,000.
>> There's a medical bill for 38,000.
>> Her delivery bill.
>> Okay.
>> And it was more than that. I applied for like financial assistance. The VA covered her for 7 days. Um, that's my insurance and then it dropped. Um, and so we have this bill here for 38,000.
Were there other medical bills or that's the big one?
>> That's the big one. There were a few other ones that were given to Mr. Williams.
>> And have they been addressed? Do you want them addressed or >> I want them addressed? They haven't been addressed, but I want them addressed.
>> Okay. And with the work you and Mr. Williams did with Judge K, did he come up with a ratio for paying?
>> 6535.
>> You're 35.
>> I'm 35.
>> Okay.
Um, and Mr. Williams, your your contention is that Mr. Williams hasn't covered his 65% of any of the unpaid medical bills.
>> No, but I feel like if he presents the if he even gives them the insurance card, it may go down because this is something that wasn't added on insurance, but he's addressing nothing and it's just leaving a high bill.
>> Okay.
>> Right. I mean, you should be neutral as to whether um Mr. we pays 65% of the bill or through the Anthem card causes that bill to go down to a co-ay of >> Yeah, that's one way or the other it needs to be addressed.
>> I mean, I feel like that's a lot of money. If she's got the benefit, give them the card or address it that way and then see what it goes down to. That's fair.
>> Okay. All right. Um, and do you have all of the unpaid medical bills?
>> I I have some of I tried to give the insurance number to the one that would take them this week and then so they're not going to be the same for the ones that I don't have. So, it wouldn't be fair to ask for them.
>> Got it. There's some that may get paid through the insurance >> with the collections and collections they said that they can still bill. So, we'll see.
>> Okay.
>> All right. So, we've got to figure out child support. Um, sort out the insurance card. There's some unpaid medical bills. Any other topics?
>> Daycare.
>> Daycare.
How is that different from child support?
>> Um, because it wasn't included in it was just going off of his income. Daycare wasn't included like a percentage. I thought daycare was we split 50/50 with daycare.
>> Do you work? I'm disabled, but I have therapies that someone used to watch her for while he's working.
>> Say that again.
>> I'm military disabled, but I go to therapy like three to four days a week.
>> Okay.
>> And >> so the daycare is when you're in therapy.
>> It is.
>> Okay. How much therapy a week? Is it hours?
>> So I probably do nine hours a week, but with the traffic sometime it's an hour and a half. Most of the time it's in Decada. I'm in Kennesaw.
So, I have a a in-house nanny. I have an Opair. So, and it's 350 a week. So, she's 250. I mean, she's 200 straight out, but then I have to cover her rooming board additionally.
All right. and anything beyond daycare.
>> Um there's an order in that he needs to return the child's um her gifts from her baby shower. He hasn't returned the gifts.
>> This is something that Judge K ordered.
>> It was believe that was the February 12th order.
There's not a February 12th order. There are some orders around then, but they have things like >> I think it came in like it came in later than that, like a week later when they finally put it out there. So, it might be like the 20th is the actual date it was e filed.
Okay.
Mr. Patillo, are you familiar with an order about the baby? I know baby shower gifts are an issue. I've seen that percolate up, but is that something that's already been resolved or something that we need to address?
>> No, no, you're we've been looking for this um elusive uh baby shower um order for two separate mediation sessions and we've seen nothing of the sort. The baby shower gifts are for the child and when the child is with Mr. Wings, she uses the baby shower gifts that were given to the child.
>> Mr. W has never asked for the child in >> So, so we're not doing back and forth yet. I asked Mr. Patillo a question. Um, if you can find the order, you may have copies of things. Um, uh, Miss Chance, I'm happy to, um, enforce it. Um, but I haven't seen that. There are lots of orders. A number of them are purely procedural.
Video conference hearings are okay, things like that. Um I >> the first initial temporary order. Um >> what's the date?
>> And it's February 12th and it didn't get filed though. It so it would be underneath the February 12th. I had to call and ask can they upload the order because it didn't come on time like it usually does. It was at least a week out. It was uploaded.
>> Okay. Um, if it's not in a docket, um, >> in a docket, I'm grabbing it for you now.
>> Okay.
>> You You want to come back to it? But you want me to email it or >> um, well, you just need to tell me the date cuz then it I can find it. These are all in order.
Uh okay. Um Judge K um has a way of tucking into procedural orders um substantive rulings and on February 20th he entered um and it was from the date of the 12th. though. Exactly. Right. Um but it was entered on the 20th. It it it's entitled and so I can see why Mr. Patillo would blow right past it cuz I did too. Um order to attend 60-day status conference. Um but it's also and temporary order. And down below um and it's highlighted in yellow respondent that would be Mr. Williams immediately add the minor child um to his health insurance. We're working through that.
And release the baby shower gifts to petitioner. Uses the verb release rather than return, but the direction is clear.
Um, so um I'll make sure I put that in the final order as well.
All right. So, child support amount, insurance card, unpaid medical bills, um daycare obligation, and baby shower gifts. Anything else?
>> Um, I had some subpoenas served to the to them regarding um information that they needed to come up with their original contract.
>> Contract for what?
>> Their um client attorney relationship, the date that their contract um came about and the first payment that was made to them because they played a lot of games. Like they showed up with nothing, have done nothing. They didn't show up to court on the first day. He emails the court and tells the court that his client just retained him that morning.
>> Well, I I think that Judge K has this not addressing your subpoena point, but what you're describing as games or things that frustrated you. Judge K resolved those with his order that struck um the answer and the counter claims. So, I think he's managed that.
We're not going to revisit that.
>> But there were things that came after that. Still not. There was an order to come with the financials. you got me showing up to mediation with nothing my money. So there were things that came after that. He was very specific to his attorney. The attorney is withholding them. The attorney had the financial documents and said he didn't send them over cuz he couldn't find one.
>> Okay, got it. Um let's talk about financial records. So Mr. Patillo, the direction from um Judge K was pretty clear that um at um the final hearing um you would need to um have tax returns from 22 through 25.
um for himself and then any business in which he owns at least a 10% interest he meaning Mr. Williams any 1099s W2s um K1s and then pay stubs from all sources um I'm reading this directly from the order that was entered um 9 days ago so I find that where >> uh we've we've turned over the documents which Mr. WS was able to uh recover from his employer of course getting every payub or >> well it wasn't every payub it was recent payubs from all sources and I think that was getting at the notion that Miss Chance has advanced that maybe there's a second job um I understand Miss Chance's desire to paint a complete financial picture of Mr. Williams and not leave something out. Um, if there is a second job, that's why um, Judge K said from all sources, if he's got his last couple payubs from the county, that covers it for the county. I don't think there's a big dispute about the county employment.
It sounds like it's is there additional employment? Um, so, um, is the email that you sent, it just says pre-trial directives is the name of your email, and it's got the three attachments, DR financial affidavit, and then W2 for 2 years, 24, and 25.
Um, are those the way Mr. Williams is complying with Judge K's directive to provide federal and state tax returns from 22 through 25 or are they somewhere else?
>> Those are his attempt to comply with judge's case order. Uh he's attempting to pull all his financial records through. Um part there there are a couple issues that we've we've run into.
Uh part of it is the voluminous nature uh of the motions that come in literally on a seemingly daily basis that we have to respond to. We believe that u the plaintiff was attempting to essentially run up attorney's fees and run the clock out uh in order to uh clog up the wheels of litigation. Uh secondarily and perhaps more importantly uh the uh plaintiff has a history in this case of doxing the uh uh respondent. Uh she he's of course a law enforcement officer here in Fulton County. She's released his home address and phone number uh on social media because she was upset at him. Uh she's posted pictures of his medicine and medication violating uh his uh privacy rights on family group chats in an effort to try to embarrass him.
She's had him uh served with paperwork and information at his uh job trying to essentially uh discredit him in front of his co-workers and potentially get him fired. So yes, Mr. Williams is very concerned about the information he turns over in addition to uh having to change his phone number because of the constant harassment which has taken place uh on the part of the plaintiffs. So we are attempting to comply uh but Mr. Williams is of course very concerned by the previous actions that have taken place.
Uh and the we wanted to have the court be aware of this and then we can we'll be more than happy to turn over whatever information court has. But since so we have a record so that if he turns this information over and his ID and then it gets stolen a week later, we'll know exactly where these things have gone. Uh secondarily on the issue of the insurance um because that that's come to be a a a issue in this case.
>> And when you say the issue, you're talking about the insurance card or Mr. Williams's obligation to provide insurance or or what?
>> The the insurance card. Mr. Williams has, as you've seen, sent pictures of the card. uh he uh mailed a physical copy of the card. He has the receipts which are in the emails of when he mailed them directly. Uh it seems that what whichever way we give her the card is the wrong way to give her the card.
And so >> is there an actual physical card when you say he's mailing it and whatnot?
>> Yes, sir. Um, so I actually when they sent it to me and I provided this in Judge K's presence, it was sent back in April 30th, 2026. She has this. She say she didn't get it. And as M stop, >> you keep going.
>> Pillow stated, I have a copy of the um certified mail I sent.
>> Okay. But so we're clear, what you held up, um was a piece of paper from Anthem, um as an Anthem insurance recipient, um I get something like that and then rubber cemented to it, stuck to it is the little plastic card. So yes, sir. So they emailed this to me. That's the only thing I had. So I mailed and certified copy to I presented this in front of Judge K as well. So there again um I am held up by an address to Fulton County. Anthem would not send me as as Chance alluded to.
They sent it to a former address. I've had to Anthem would not send me a a card until Fulton County verified that my I couldn't change my address through Anthem even though I've been a member forever and they wanted me to contact Fortune County. I have documented emails to multiple people at Forton County. They finally updated my address and the I copied your office. I copied Miss Chance and I said they finally sent an electric card. Here's electric card and they have updated my address and when they get the physical card I will provide that as well. It it's been at least a few months and they you know just in my opinion dropped the ball. Fton County I have multiple emails confirming my request for them to change my address. So Anthem would in fact now >> in Anthem's defense, I see at least three different addresses for you across the records you've submitted. In 24 um there's a Sandy Springs address that is totally different um from your 25 address. Also in Sandy Springs, but completely different. And um most recently I see an Atlanta address. So Anthem's probably doing its best to keep up with you. You keep moving around.
>> Well, sir, it's only one dress they were concerned about and and that was the 8060. I've lived in Sandy Springs since I moved here in 21 and I recently or thereafter moved to the other address in Atlanta. Anthem only has the one address. the medical office or the the people who deal with uh benefits for uh Fulton County employees, they only have it was only that one address, the 8060.
So, it's not multiple addresses out there. It's only that one address that they did would not update until recent.
I sent the electric card and it's a digital card that you can pull up on your phone when you're at the medical office.
>> On the address, can you have Mr. we perfect his address so that when he has the child because the address that he's given me and the address that even Anthem in Fton County has I just want to know where my child is when he has her and that's fair.
>> Okay. And that'll be in whatever documents we make as as the final um documents. I just So is is the Garson Drive that's where you are now? and she's been it's been put on record in judge case. So >> she said the apartment was 1020 when I tried to verify it to get the information.
>> It's a different apartment. It's a different part. We'll get that to you.
>> Um but I I I'm just trying to keep track cuz like I said, I have three addresses across three different documents here.
Um but as of today, it's the Garson Drive.
>> Sir, that's been put on record in Judge Kat's courtroom.
>> Okay. And and it's still correct today.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. All right. It's 1210.
>> But he gave us 1020.
>> Well, I don't I don't know what he gave you. I'm just telling you what's what's right here.
>> I see that.
>> Okay.
>> Uming from >> All right. We're not doing the back and forth. Um other topics.
>> Um the child support the can we have ordered that he signs the birth certificate since we're um doing the um >> What is the birth certificate right now?
It's just one parent.
>> It's just one parent and he needs to sign it and essentially they might even kick back her insurance. Sometimes they want to know relationship as to keep the child on their so it could be an issue later. Sometimes they give you like 90 days or something like that.
>> How if you're using the Anthem insurance card with her name on it? Why do they need a birth certificate?
>> As far as like with your employer, usually you have to provide something of relationship to prove when you first add someone on there. He has no he doesn't have the social security card. He doesn't have the um he hasn't signed the birth certificate so he has no way to prove the relationship. So sometimes they kick it back when you don't. That's >> okay. But that seems like a Mr. Williams problem and not a you problem.
>> It would be me if my child doesn't have the medical. She's a preeie with medical issues.
>> Okay. But we now have insurance. Anthem is covering. Um so I I any issue with signing the birth certificate?
>> Well, no. The the reason the birth certificate wasn't signed was Miss Chance did not inform Mr. claims the child was born for several weeks after the child was born. That's the reason he wasn't present when the child was born because he was not informed that the child had been born. Uh indeed, the child has a completely different name.
Uh Miss Wings, unilaterally decided to change the child's name to Natalie Chance Jr. Uh similar to what Cawn Rock did with Blueface uh out of apparently spite at Mr. Wings. uh this is the course of actions led us to request custody in this case and that's why we believe that it will be very difficult to resolve the issues in this case including um child support uh without without addressing the issue of both custody and visitation because Mr. Wayne has had visitation or has taken the child many times but there is no clear visitation order and when we're calculating the amount of child support of course parenting time has to go into that calculation. Uh so this this is why we were seeking a more complete order in this case.
>> Okay.
>> And for reasons under your control. Um Judge K said that's not how we're going to work it out this time. So I I hear you and and that's the ideal. it's more efficient to do it all in one pass through, but that's that's not how we're working through it today. Okay. Um I would like to um flesh out that financial picture um because it's all going to flow from that that will go into um the child support calculation.
Um and so I guess it would help me to find since you seem to have mastered the docket. Um, Miss Chance, is there something that um, Judge K used to develop the 973 figure?
>> So, he did he filled out >> he did a worksheet.
>> He did.
>> Okay.
>> And I think that was June 3rd.
So there is a child support worksheet that was filed on the 17th that yields the 973.
That's what Judge K did. That was the Tell me how you were connected to what h was there a hearing in front of Judge K, Mr. Williams?
>> Uh yes sir.
>> Okay. And and um did you provide financial information to him or did you testify? How did your numbers get into the worksheet?
>> I presented a the federal um tax return or or the tax uh the >> your W2 >> two to to the judge.
>> Okay. Um and then Miss Chance, you have some figures in there as well. You you presented your sources of income.
>> So, um I want to make a correction. If you read that temporary order, Mr. Williams did not provide his W2. It says he read from the document. him and his attorneys act like they both couldn't find him. I presented, which is in the financial documents that I presented to the court, my um uh VA disability.
>> Okay. Um but Judge K benefited from both a presentation from you and from Mr. Williams. So sometimes we have to do an imputed number because there's just an affidavit and and it's it basically if it shows you are spending I'm making a number up $3,000 a month then presumably you're making $3,000 a month because you can't spend money you don't have. Um but we now have W2s. So we've got that. Um is the W2 information if you know Mr. Patillo um that um you have now provided. So we we have hard copies of the W2. Is that the same figure that would have been incorporated into um the worksheet that Judge K did?
>> Yes, your honor.
the numbers match.
>> I still don't have that document they stated they emailed.
>> Okay. It made it through. I don't know if it's hit a screen on yours that I'm included on there.
>> Yes. Well, I I'll tell you. I don't know for sure. There's an email address that ends in ' 05.
>> It is.
>> Okay.
>> So, um that was sent um at 1:30 today.
Um, it may have been sent earlier. I'm not saying it wasn't, but the one that got forwarded to me by Miss Niles, Mr. Patillo, resent at um 1:30 and you were listed as copied on there um with your address that ends in '05.
>> Let me make sure the whole entire email is correct cuz I've been having some issues with >> Sure. It's your last name and then your first name and then 05.05.
Is it O or zero? Are we >> It looks like a zero to me. Thank you.
Nothing.
>> Okay. Well, I'll make sure you get those documents before you remind me, but I'll make sure um that you get them. I I don't want to put them up on the screen if we don't need to. Um I just want to do one quick math thing and then we'll go from there.
Okay. Um that matches up.
>> Yes, sir. Uh and we ask that any uh requirement for documentation be reciprocal on both parties. Uh Mr. Wings uh has recently believed to Miss Chance as additional sources of income. So would also ask that we any order include uh her check stubs, her bank statements, etc. So we have a full financial picture for both parties.
>> Okay. Um Miss Chance, before we leave the topic, uh I'm not going to do the child support calculation here in front of everyone. I just want to make sure I've got all the right inputs. Um share with me why it is you think um Mr. Williams has an additional source of income besides his county salary.
>> He testified to >> Okay. In front of Judge K.
>> Okay. Um >> he doesn't receive income from that job.
Um he's an officer and he works there.
So he states he doesn't receive income.
But even if he does, like I said, if he doesn't receive income, we either need to um impute the amount that the market value of the apartment is or we need to go ahead and impute the amount of hours that he work at the average um rate that an officer makes for an EJ.
>> Okay. You would like that to happen is what you're saying. Okay. Um Mr. Patillo, um you can get me up to speed on what it is Miss Chance is referring to. Um does does Mr. Williams um work an extra job at the apartment complex or what what's she alluding to?
>> Um my understanding I'll let Mr. Wings give you a full pictures.
>> Sure. And I'm always happy to hear from him, but he has counsel. So I I need to start with you.
>> Yeah, Mr. Wings works about usually 12 to 16 hours a day uh for Fulton County.
Um and >> so less than Deputy Gordon sounds about right. Uh but he sometimes I believe volunteers uh on weekends as a um at a museum and I believe Miss Chance believes that he should be working those hours as well and that she should be getting paid if he does anything else besides work. Well, I'll let you complete the picture.
>> Yeah, sir.
In our last couple of hearings, Miss Chance alluded to I had a job.
>> So, don't let's keep Miss Chance out of it. You just tell me what it is you do and then if Miss Chance has some questions about that, I'm happy to hear from her. But you are, Mr. Williams. Um, your lawyer just said, "I think he volunteers at a museum." Um, if you've got an extra job, tell me what it is. If you don't have one, but you volunteer, tell me that.
>> Well, sir, she said something earlier.
You said you would let us respond once they were finished.
>> Got it. And you can respond. But, but just respond to me as opposed to Miss Chant says or this. Just talk to me.
>> I do not have a job at a museum is what was said. I do.
>> Well, your lawyer said it too, but okay.
Uh I'm a member of that museum.
>> Okay.
>> So I attend events at that museum.
>> What museum is this?
>> It's the hide museum.
>> Okay.
>> And how Miss Chan how someone else would know that I don't know. It might be tail track. What? I don't know.
>> Okay.
>> But I attend there at least twice a month. And I pay >> as a guest.
>> No, I pay to go there.
>> Well, right. But you pay. You're not there wearing your uniform.
>> Not at all.
>> Okay.
>> And that's been alluded to. Well, it's been I I want to just say that it's not the case at all.
>> Okay.
>> Do you have an extra job?
>> I do not. And as far as any discounts I get for resident, it's been included in my financial statement. the amount of everything has already been submitted to the ports.
>> So, I'm curious why you don't have an extra job. Um, most deputies that I've gotten to know just because you guys don't get paid enough for the type of work you do. There's a Sunday morning at the church, you work the parking, not you personally, work the parking lot or um on you might do a concert on a weekend or something, but it's not zero.
Um and and this is this is purely my experience chatting with with deputies, but um you're you're unique to the response.
>> You're going to >> I'm done.
>> May I Okay. Um you could check with the county my division I work in transfer.
We have the most overtime in the entire office of the sheriff's office. There is nobody else who gets more time than us.
You check with anybody >> and your overtime would be reflected in your W2.
>> That's all over time. My base is, you know, much my base pay is much more or uh lower than >> Got it. So, you don't really have time or even the financial incentive to do an EJ because you can always bank overtime hours driving to Okone County or down to Jackson or whatever.
>> That's that's those are places I drive to. So, okay.
>> I drive to the Florida line. I drive to Tennessee. I drive North Carolina. I I'm uh So, yes, that is correct. Um I I if I'm off uh I I'm asleep or washing clothes, but um I have told my supervisors that or I put in for official transfer be uh out of that division because you just don't have a quality of life and if I'm able to get custody of my child, I'm definitely already sat in a meeting with our chief of that division a couple of weeks ago and he I asked to speak with him. So, I've already relayed that message.
>> Okay. But for now, the reason why um you don't show um or you're not producing any extra job income information is you don't have one. And your role with the sheriff's office, as I understand it, really doesn't allow for it. Not that it's forbidden, but just one, you don't need it. you get the overtime, but because you're doing overtime, that's when Deputy X might be helping out at the Braves game or the I'm making it up, whatever you're doing.
>> Absolutely, sir. I I've worked 18our shift, sir.
>> And uh yeah, we get stuck at grade inmate is sick or whatever. And yeah, there is no we get asked to do extra work at the jail on one two weekends a month.
>> Okay. and and that's a paid position. I don't have time for it, EJ. There is no time. I'm not getting 30 hours.
>> Miss Chance, um do you have um evidence um you want to share with me that um led you to believe that um Mr. Williams had an extra job?
He swear out in court, but can we um can you ask him about his can you ask him to about how he is connected to the apartment complex that he lives because he is the officer at that apartment complex? That is how he used it to have our baby shower. Our baby shower's address was there and >> the Garson address >> Garson address and he used it and he he got extra time there because he's officer there. So I want him to be very clear that he and if he stopped working there or stopped performing duties for them, when did he stop? Okay.
>> Because I'm going to subpoena them.
>> Okay. Um there's not going to be a lot of subpoenaing after a final order. Um but we we'll we'll work through that as well. Um Mr. Williams, you alluded to um uh somehow you've accounted for um the discount you get um at your apartment complex. Just sort of lay that out. I'm not interested so much in the dollar amount, but you pay a slightly lower rent because you're effectively a courtesy officer.
>> That's that's uh correct, sir. And that is documented in my financial stuff that I submit to the court.
>> When you say your stub, meaning the a financial affidavit?
>> Yeah, we'll have to get that. But that's already been submitted, sir.
>> The finance affidavit.
>> Yeah, the financial affidavit. And it names the discount that they give me.
They have a a security patrol there.
They actually pay a out a third party um security agency. So I don't do that. Um they give me a discount and I help you know give advice and and look out for stuff and so they give me a discount.
They they already have a security agency that works at that place. So I don't >> but he has to do a certain amount of hours in order to maintain that discount. using. So, so stop. Um, again, we're not doing the back and forth. Your financial affidavit says your rent is 1080 a month. It there's no asterisk next to it saying it should be 1,400, but um, so tell me what what would I pay for rent for your apartment?
>> They give me and I have that also listed. N they give me a $900 discount if you are.
>> Okay. You say you have it listed. Um, Mr. Patillo, you can help me out. I'm not >> We're right now your honor.
>> Pardon me.
>> So, we're looking right now financial affidavit and we can tell you shortly.
Can you just settle here?
>> No, it's not.
>> Oh, I think what you've done is listed it as income from royalties, trusts, or there's a 900 entry, and there may not have been uh maybe it would be a fringe benefit. It probably should have been one line above, but I see it. you've included it there. Okay. You just put it in a slightly different place. But that's what that 900 is >> is the discount you get for being a courtesy or doing whatever it is you do.
Whether it's you walk around looking big with a badge on or you do some patrolling or you run a number or whatever. Okay.
All right.
That is helpful. Um, Mr. Patilla, what is your response, your client's response with the medical bills, the unpaid medical bills? Well, and this folds into kind of the the initial point that we were discussing because Mr. Nich is not present during the birth of the child was not informed of the birth of the child. He had absolutely zero input on any medical decisions. He has literally no rights because M um uh the respondent has uh refused to legitimate the child up until today. Uh therefore, he has very serious questions about the medical bills to make these choices with regards to medical care. uh and also the choice to have an opair uh that you're paying per week that if he's going to be liable for all of these bills, we need some uh say in the >> Okay, I don't want to stray into daycare. We'll get there. Um but medical bills would be the 38,000 for the child birth. are those bills you've seen because you're describing um medical procedures that Miss Chance decided to do that I I don't know that the bills necessarily reflect that as opposed to even though it was a premature birth it was a standard medical procedure which costs a whole lot of money and and it may be that the 38,000 is simply the cost of a child birth at what hospital was it? North side.
>> North side that there was nothing extraordinary about it. That's the standard bill. I hear your point that Mr. Williams wasn't there. But there might not be anything in that bill that anyone could ever object to, assuming you'd want um there to be pain medication and a doctor and a OBGYn, etc. It could just be a perfectly standard bill. Have you seen the bills before?
>> Well, we we've not seen the bills. We've not seen the names of the um doctors.
We've not seen medical records as to what has been done. Uh and further, this is going to be ongoing treatment. It's going to be an ongoing issue. Uh and Mr. Williams, if he's going to be responsible for 65% of the bills, he needs to have a say in exactly how those bills will be allocated.
>> Okay. Um Miss Chance, have you provided medical bills before beyond beyond a a basic bottom line? Hey, it was 38,000 for the child birth.
>> I sent him the login twice to log into the account. He got the login. I guess he couldn't get get it.
>> He meaning Mr. Williams or Attorney Patillo?
>> Both of them. Okay.
>> Cuz I always emailed them together. So, they both got that. And Mr. Williams did have them cuz somehow he ended up at the children's hospital trying to get his name on the account. So, he very much had them. He knew where to go.
>> Um, you you sent Mr. Patillo and Mr. Williams a way to log in so they could see the level of detail that you can see. Okay.
>> And I printed it out here. The highest bill, the 38,000, I printed it out here and it was 212,000. My insurance took care of most of it already.
>> That's a big number.
>> We Yeah, we were separated at birth. She went to a different hospital. So >> Okay. It was that her situation was that urgent that she went or maybe yours was that urgent that you went to different hospitals.
>> It was hers. Okay. So, it was hers.
>> Okay. How is she doing now?
>> Much better. How old is she now?
>> 6 months.
>> 6 months. Okay. Um, and is looking like a six-month-old and >> does we have GI issues and we have to get to respiratory. She has some uh fast breathing.
>> But in terms of weight and whatnot, >> not weight wise. We're only 11 lbs, but we're getting there. You wouldn't know that.
>> Okay.
>> Wouldn't know.
>> Well, congratulations to both of you that that she's doing okay. Um, Mr. Patillo. Um, Miss Chance says, "I I gave you guys the login information so you can satisfy your deepest question about what the medical records look like."
>> 10 minutes ago, we said we gave her login information for the card. So, that was insufficient for her.
>> I'm just asking you, did you get it? I don't I don't know if you got it.
>> Change the password.
>> Yeah, we we were not able to log in.
That's why we're >> Stop. Stop. Stop. Okay. All right.
>> This is why we're just simply asking for physical copies of all medical bills and all medical records because Mr. Williams. Also, if there's there's maybe he has a doctor he wants the child to go to, maybe there's procedures, etc. He needs to know the child's medical history, medical records. He's not an ATM. He's the father.
>> Okay. He may be both, but yes, >> but I do want to say I that Mr. Williams is not legitimate. He's chosen not to participate after being offered several times to participate. I I went to the hospital because um I had a seizure over my blood pressure being high. Mr. Williams was told to pick up the child.
Mr. Mr. Williams didn't show for 38 hours. When we reached out to him, he was like, "Oh, he's at work. He got to get off." And that was the day before.
So, Mr. Williams chooses not to be a parent. So, I'm not going to go throwing all this stuff if he wants to be.
>> Okay. And you guys don't need to argue with each other through me. I appreciate that both of you are frustrated with where this situation is. And the goal of today and what flows from it is to make it easier for you both to have a productive, healthy relationship with Natalie Jr.. I'll let you know my primary focus is what's in the best interest of Natalie Jr. and not Natalie Senior and not Mr. Williams. Um it's going to flow to you all as it ought to as parents. You're both parents of this child and the endgame is to make things as good as possible for um Natalie Jr.
Um and that's where we're focused.
All right. Um the daycare. Um Mr. Patillo, I want to give you a chance to elaborate more on on your concerns there. Um, if if for now, um, the primary custodial parent is Miss Chance, um, she's empowered to figure out what ways Natalie Jr. will be cared for while Natalie Senior is in therapy or working or whatever it was she'd be doing. Um, was there something about an OP pair that was particularly problematic to you or just you think there needs to be some collaboration as to how care is provided to Natalie Junior when a parent can't be there for her?
>> Well, well, that's part of the issue that there's never been a situation where the a parent can't be available.
She the custodial parent deciding unilaterally that an OPAIR would be uh appropriate. Um, Mr. Williams would like write a first refusal of any time that if you need to be in therapy, you need to be somewhere else. He's missed nearly 6 months of bonding time with his newborn child while they're with an Opair that he did not consent to, that he did not have any input in. He doesn't know who this woman is from a somebody a stranger walking down the street.
>> Okay?
>> Uh and therefore, Mr. wings very much would like to have fight right of first refusal anytime there's an opportunity to care for the child and that therefore the and even the selection of the opair there for all we know there's an opair that cost one quarter that price that the same quality >> okay it didn't sound like a super expensive opair but I hear you >> but also Mr. Wings wanted to make a statement on this point as well.
>> Well, we are now on that part of it, sir.
Uh as far as the medical of the insurance, uh it was after our last on July 10th, Friday, July 10th, when I emailed Miss Chance to uh um ask her to let uh Children's Hospital of Healthcare even talk to me. You know, I I I was trying to add just simply add the medical card. I physically went over there. arrested. I asked her to call was they said, "Well, well, we can't even talk to you. We know you have a card, you know." So, um I I wanted to apply the card to the medical bills and and I didn't have any rights as far as uh as was mentioned, the legitimation just happened. I mean, we've been trying to get that for months now. And um it's it's just a whole lot of And and as far as the gifts, uh I never did get over to this side when you left the other side, so I wanted time to say that.
>> We we'll get to the gifts.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Um >> all right. Um in fact, that's what's next on on the the list is the baby shower gifts. But just I think this one also made a point on the child care about the last point we were addressing.
>> Right.
>> I I'm just really concerned about the child's care because um I I've picked the child up three times, your honor, and only one time Miss Chance was present. Uh there was a strange lady I didn't know there one time. There was a lady she told me was a pair another time. There was her ex-husband uh giving me my child uh twice. Chance's ex-husband, the Opair's ex-husband, >> Miss Chance's ex-husband.
>> Okay.
>> A strange lady that I don't even know her name. And then another lady who presented herself through a Ring camera.
She said she introduced us through a ring camera.
>> Okay. And when you call this lady strange, just meaning you don't know this person.
>> I have no idea who she is.
>> Okay. So stranger as opposed to she had three horns and >> stranger. Stranger. So, I had to be introduced through a Ring camera of who it all was. I was not introduced this lady that came out. I was in the driveway returning the baby. So, I've had my daughter three times and cared for. And um uh the strange lady was there. I don't even know who she was.
her ex-husband, uh, who she's not, I guess, in relationship with, I'm not sure, but it's her ex-husband brings me my child twice. And I'm like, why are these strange people out of six encounters, Miss Chance was there one time? And I'm like, why is this the case? So, I'm definitely concerned about, you know, my daughter's care, who she's with. I I don't I just don't have any uh decision- making here.
>> Okay. Well, I know you wanted to engage in a custody discussion and you counter claimed for that, but for reasons Judge Kay made very clear, um those claims got dismissed from this litigation. So, to Mr. Patillo's point, we will likely be back together um to have discussions about that. Um normally, we would do these together. Um but that's not what this got teed up to be today. um through steps that you took or or chose not to take that reached a point where Judge K said is enough is enough and he struck your answer in your counter claim. So today we're not working through custody.
Um but what you shared with me is not lost on me. Um and again my focus is ultimately what is the best interest for Natalie Jr. Um, and there was a guardian briefly in the case, but the guardian was released from the case because your counter claim got dismissed. Next time, don't get your counter claim dismissed.
And the guardian will stay in the case.
And we would have a neutral third party who spends time with Miss Chance, gets to meet the people in her life, spends time with you, gets to meet the people in your life, and comes and tells us all I've met everyone. And because of course if I listen to just one side, the other parent is an awful, awful person. If I listen to you, Miss Chance is not even ever around her kid. If I listen to Miss Chance, Mr. Williams won't even pay the most basic of bills. And I trust you both care a whole lot about this little girl and want to be there for her.
That's why a guardian can come in and hear both sides and sift through all the static and say, "Here's here's what makes the most sense."
>> Yes, sir.
>> That's just not what we're doing today.
cuz you got your case tossed.
>> I'm not sure that I I I take your word for it, but I wasn't aware of that because the guardian I paid for the guardian. It's like $4,000 to be uh she listened in on one case and and withdrew. So, I'm not sure. Did >> Well, she didn't withdraw. And you and Mr. Patillo can talk about this when we're not all together. Um but um you should read um Judge K's order from um June 3rd um because that's when um he got rid of your case and he explains why he did and because he was getting rid of and not that he said you lose, he just said I'm dismissing it and and Mr. Patillo was correct. He said you can bring it back but um we're going to now focus just on the paternity piece because ABCDE E he spells it out. you can read it. Um, but because we're not talking about um, custody, his final sentence in his June 3rd order is the guardian admitteum is discharged. Um, because he struck your counter claim for legitimation, custody, and parenting time. Those weren't an issue before him anymore. There's no need for the guardian whether you can get a refund or use that same guardian when we reconvene because it's going to come to me. You're not going to get a different judge. um should you decide you want to file a custody pleading um maybe you can get Miss Meard in the mix and and um you already paid some for that so maybe she would continue to help out >> and judge I think a very very important part of this is miss well a baby shower was thrown and uh we said we'd go back to that and there was a no-show by the mother I had out of town family guests And the gifts, I mean, these are folks from paid income. I mean, u uh uh set incomes. It's not a lot of money. And most of the gifts were bought off of a catalog which is which was provided and my family bought off that catalog, went directly to our house. So, you can talk on a few blankets, pamper boxes, and stuff like that. There's no elaborate anything for the gift. Second of all, the name of the baby. I also I was told that first didn't have a baby shower for other two kids in the 10 10 11. So I threw a reveal party.
I had one family member there that they were only able to get there. About 20 of her friends and family and guests were there. And the baby's name was announced at that reveal party is Taylor Amaran where Natie Chance Jr. came in. I I agree with Miss Till. I think it's just out of spite or something like that. But that name never came out. So the baby's name was Taylor Amar and it was on video chat live chats and it was at a restaurant where I footed the bill for 20ome people open bar food for everybody. I produced gifts everything.
And lastly, during the whole pregnancy until I got pushed away, I cooked meals for Miss Chance. I juiced juices for the health of the baby and for her. I bought groceries for her kids, took them out of her house. We're separated. We don't have any connections. But I did that for the welfare of an unborn child. and I I' I've done a lot to help this situation along and I just want the court to know that.
>> Okay. I appreciate you sharing that. How did the two of you first meet?
>> She was a nurse in a place of employment.
>> NAFARE.
>> Mhm.
>> You were a NAFA nurse out at Rice Street.
>> Oh, >> small world.
>> Okay.
Um All right. Um Mr. Williams, I appreciate you sharing that. And those are the kinds of things um should you pursue the custody action you're going to want to share with the guardian at lightum and um we'll factor all that in.
Um Ms. Chance, is there more you want to say on um any of the topics that we've been covering?
>> Again, he's not legitimated. I just want to know he is free to pick her up anytime he wants to. I've always left that door open even in the co-aring plan that I put in it.
>> Right. There's a there's a parenting plan in the mix that did you that's just your perspective on how it would work cuz it's not signed.
>> There were two um so I presented something and he presented something also and I think it says like consent something. it's under that was the the platform but it was you know it was pretty fair like it was given me full custody because he hasn't spent any time with her but it was given a specific plan as to you know more time more time more time and then to generally go to split custody if we're in the same area when the child starts school like I I haven't given him any issues on being a parent he's free to get hurt but he has to produce that address because if something happens to him and the child I got to figure out where to start and that's fair >> okay so there's there in the docket there's something labeled consent parenting plan signed by both parties.
Um but if I then um look at the components um one of them is this is why I was confused about the um insurance card. It's just a bunch of emails that include it's what you've been talking about Mr. Williams. This is your um uh so employee benefits from Fulton emailed to you. Um, Natalie Junior's insurance card. Um, and then your lawyer's in there. Um, I guess this is all showing that. And then you are forwarding it to Miss Chance Senior, but that's not a parenting plan.
>> Um, >> no sir.
>> Within one of those is a parenting plan in there, but it says signed by both parties. I reached out to council and said, "Hey, can you fix that so it doesn't slide by and get signed?" And he wouldn't fix it. I never signed it nor saw that parenting plan.
>> Okay. There's a comprehensive parenting plan and order.
>> I submitted a Go ahead.
>> a notorized parenting plan.
>> Let me see which exhibit it is.
>> But it's something that you signed, not Miss Chance.
>> Yeah. submitted by World Court, sir.
>> Okay. All right. I just want if there was something you two had already agreed on, there's no need to reinvent the wheel, but it doesn't sound like that's something that the two side I know mediation didn't work out. Um, but there wasn't some other set of agreements that I ought to be incorporating.
>> No, but I I do have a question. So, I get that his um his pleadings were struck, but in at the end of the day, the child being legitimated is the best thing for the child. So is that not something we can do and not and leave with a plan today because fair, you know, it's my child. It's not about win lose. It's that if something happened to me today like we would have to go through a whole long process to >> Right. Well, we're going to touch on that because Mr. Patillo um said we've we've solved the paternity thing. Um and and so I want to know what what in here and and again, Judge Kay may have tucked it into one of his orders. Um >> I provided a paternity order on the 12th when Mr. didn't come to court that day. I came with the paternity order >> with the DNA order. Sorry.
>> But the other thing I'm hearing you say, Miss Chance, is that you um are not opposed to having in um the order that I enter that is more about child support and and medical bills etc. Um something about visitation um so that there is a a structure in place.
>> Okay. All right. Um, Mr. Patillo, two things and then anything else you all need to want to cover. What were you referring to? U number one, when you said, "But you know, after date X or after hearing Y, um, the paternity situation was resolved or agreed to or settled." What What do you mean by that?
>> Well, after he took the DNA test in February, the uh results were sent to Judge K's office and to um the petitioner of this case. So, as far as we're concerned, um, he has taken on responsibility for the child. We're just waiting for the documentation for him to sign for legitimation.
>> Okay. Uh, I've never heard Mr. Williams say anything other than I'm here to take responsibility. So, I want to be clear about that. Um, when you say documents for legitimation, um, where would those come from in your mind?
>> Uh, well, just just any order from the court just Okay. that he it depends. So when he went to try to add the child at the hospital, uh he needs something >> from a court. So they would say, "Who are you? The fact that you're carrying around insurance card for this little girl is creepy cuz you got no connection to her." Okay. Um in what way did you get something to judge K? You said we got >> uh we and I'll sure the email is an image file. Let me make sure. Did he turn that email then into all right I now in one of my orders am saying this?
>> No, he didn't. No, he did not.
>> I've never seen a DNA order there. I added the DNA order to Zoom, but I don't think it was ever uploaded. He took it from there. So, with me adding that, that's how the child he made the order to add the child on his insurance. But I can assure you there's no DNA.
>> There's no order that Okay.
So, these were the um test results that were turned over from >> Are you putting them on a screen? Oh, here they are. Look at you. Good job. Um >> I paid for the for that.
>> Okay.
>> Prior to any order, I want to know.
And I think there's one more document.
Maybe the 23.
>> So maybe there's something more compelling in Oops, it just went away.
>> I'm sure only the second one.
Yeah. This uh the test results showing there's an 99.999% probability.
>> Okay.
Got it. because the the text is he's not excluded as the father, but that that is less compelling than that number that's effectively 100%. Okay, got it. And this is something you've seen before, Miss Chance. You have Okay. And apparently, Judge Kad, it just wasn't then converted into a ruling on his part. And so, you continue to labor under the disability of not having proof of of You have that, but not legal proof of paternity.
>> Yes. Okay. All right. Um, do you, Mr. Patillo, have any objection to the final order that flows out of today's proceedings, um, including a temporary um, set of rulings on custody and visitation. I emphasize temporary. Some of my rulings will be final um because we're here on a final hearing in connection with what um Miss Chance has been advancing in her pleadings. Um you sought to move forward with custody and whatnot that Judge K said that's not going to happen right now. Um but I think everyone agrees getting a structure in place, a temporary one that can be amended as as you pursue what you want to pursue um would be particular healthy for the child, but it would provide a framework for the two parents as well. That ought to lower I think the temperature in the room.
I'm just very close.
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> Did he have a question?
>> Yes, honor.
>> I'm ready.
>> Uh, it was presented to the court that I missed the court date. I've taken off several days of work, maybe I don't know, half a dozen or more. I I just want to speak for myself. I've not missed any day of court that I'm aware of at all. Um, matter of fact, we had to postpone one of the mediations because the other side didn't pay their fee for the mediation. I was taken out. I was taken out to Cobb County Court during this uh in the last, you know, uh during this session of these hearings on on a and and tried to be made the same charge that Fortune County is already dealing with.
>> I'm not following that last point.
You're saying there was a a suit filed in Cobb County. Oh, okay. Okay.
>> I'm putting on the screen. Sorry.
>> And they actually said no. uh it's already being dealt with in Fortune County and that day I waited almost an hour and a half of the other side was late to court. Didn't show up on time and and and it's like why am I being dragged out to Cobb County for something that's happening already being dealt with in Forton County. So they dismissed it after I presented that it's already being dealt with in Fort County.
>> All right. Um >> do we have an abandonment case open in Fulton County? because I have done nothing. He keeps swearing that out. I have done nothing in Fulton County about abandonment. And that is what he's speaking of.
>> No, he he's saying that there was something in in Cobb County and you can see on the screen here that's Magistrate Court of Cobb County. Um and there's a notice that um a complaint has been filed against Dwayne Williams Jr. about abandonment of minor child. It's got a case number. Um that's not here. Um >> he's saying that it is being taken the abandonment is being taken care of in Fulton County. That is what he's saying and that is what he told the judge there and I've done no such thing in Fton County. Fton County sent me to Cobb County where she was a resident.
>> Okay.
>> So you just assure him that there is nothing here and nothing open because he's saying that it's being taken care of here.
>> What what I heard I I heard something different from Mr. Williams. was that um when Cobb County learned about um the paternity action that you brought here in Fulton um that Cobb said that will address the issues that were being brought in Cobb. And so um this is the case that would move forward, the Fulton case and not the Coba. Not that they're identical. Abandonment and paternity are different, but they're connected. And certainly if the way this paternity case played out, it's not. But if it turned out you are not the father, then how could he be liable for abandonment? He couldn't.
>> It was already it was already it was already discovered at that time. I went in there with the DNA test. He swore out that it was being taken care of here.
Abandonment.
>> Okay.
>> I just want to assure him that there is no abandonment. Nothing open here.
Nothing that I've done.
>> Got it. He's assured there. The the only action that's pending in Fulton County is this one.
All right. Anything else?
>> And your honor, if you um have opportunity to look at the screen, this is part of what we're talking about when it comes to uh trying to get a resolution to this. The child abandonment warrant wasn't taken out because Mr. Wes abandoned his child. Um she was simply upset about something and and all this email says, "I'm going to include your chain of command because she wanted to discredit Mr. Wayne through his employment." Um, we just need any final order to stop these things from taking place.
>> Okay, I'll have a no disparagement clause in there that will flow in both directions, but that that needs to be um a a way we work through this. In fact, I I want to float this idea um between um the two of you. Um it's not uncommon um in a final order to direct the parties to communicate through um a particular medium that we have for parents that are working through custody and child support and whatnot. Um so you don't call and you don't email. So there'd be nothing from any of these email addresses. um you it's like texting but it's through a portal and everything that you send is archived so that if we ever need to reconvene it's really easy.
I just log in and I can see who said what to whom. Um it tends to lead to more civil discourse. Um but it also um keeps other people out of it. Um because I notice here uh Miss Chance, you said you're including chain of command in the email, >> right? He's an officer and that is my daughter's insurance. So he like he has to be he has to be good and upstanding withholding her insurance card and he withheld it because when he had the child in his custody. I have a receipt here. He used the in he didn't even give me the number. He used the insurance card at the pharmacy so he wouldn't have to pay $129,000. I mean $129.
So he he held the card. He used it for his benefit but withheld it from the child. that is available if that is something that chain didn't come in could make him give up that insurance card.
>> Okay. Um so one that doesn't mean he had the card the physical card he may well have had the digital version. Um plenty ofarmacies accept the digital version but two more fundamental um going forward um you don't get to decide what the chain of command needs to know and not know. In the same way that Mr. Williams isn't going to be deciding what people who are important in your life, whether they be family members or friends or um if you all work in employers, um it it's not appropriate for you to push to Mr. Williams's chain of command um anything period. Um if you want to communicate with Mr. Williams outside this portal that I'll describe in the order. It would be through his lawyer, Mr. Patillo. Unless you all want to agree right now. I'm not going to impose the portal on you all.
>> I asked for that in my uh parent.
>> Okay, good. It just it it it works better.
>> Agreeable, sir.
>> Great. Done. All right. Um that'll be in there. Um I think I have all the pieces then that I need. Um, I guess I should ask, um, Mr. Patillo, um, you or your client intimated that, um, there were potentially other streams of income for Miss Chance. You of course want the child support worksheet to be balanced on both sides. And we've got the extra 900 now that I understand um, for Mr. Williams, and I'll get that in there.
Um, but I I want you to flesh out a little bit more what your concerns are.
Um, if there anything more than speculation. Um, and then we've got Miss Chance right here. Um, and she's got paperwork. She's been pretty thorough with the paperwork. Um, we can explore that.
>> Uh, yes, your honor. Um, I put in a motion to request an explanation for income from from the other side because I know for a fact they owned a car, I think Euro or some name of it. It's a car rental place. So, she goes out and purchases automobiles and rents them out. Uh, she has several trusts. She have other She used to own a truck trucking company.
She has several other had several to my knowledge when I did, but I I just So, she claims she just there's $6,000 a month from uh VA, which going all the way back to medical, our agreement was she only I don't have a problem with put put my daughter on medical at all, but it was her suggestion that it just needed to be covered the first seven days and then VA pick up after that because of their breakdown in newborn structure.
But stay online medical. I have no problem with that. It's before but I am concerned about that part of it. Um just other other income um and whether it's being put in trust under other getting paid under other names. I mean there was bonuses from two different hospitals. Uh $25,000 bonus.
There was a $20,000 bonus both Pont and and Emery signing bonuses that were received and I just want to >> These are all things that would have been after Miss Chance left NAF care.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> Absolutely. Um I was there physically. I had my own apartment. She had she and she's running a five bedroomedroom house. So paying for OPAR. uh um how was all these things being met off of $6,000 a month? So, I I have an interest in that to see um and uh other businesses and trust these signing bonuses up to about $50,000 in that. And she's she's told me she's had she has a bank account with over $200,000 in it. uh she made a lot of money during co as a travel nurse and $250,000 was in some account at some point in time and um I she so she's told me of these large amounts of money now how's I'm just wondering how the expenses fit and I only have one job so I don't know if it's distraction keep saying I work at a museum or this that and the other to get the focus off on to me um I don't know so I did put in a motion for that >> okay >> um and uh just really concerned about that.
>> All right. Um Miss Chance, um two things flow from that. Uh one, um is it your sense that the medical the health coverage that Mr. Williams can get is better for Natalie Jr. than the coverage you could get?
>> Mine is better, but I had some issues. I sent him a copy of her birth certificate. Her birth certificate says girl chance. Since I was at one hospital and she was at the other hospital, I put in to have it amended, but with the amendment, I have to wait. They never issue her social security number. So, the VA won't add her. They did away with account numbers and everything is social security numbers. So, >> so she still has no social security number.
>> Social security number.
>> What do we need to do to get her a social security number? So, I think I stopped slowed it down because I turned in the copy of her birth certificate with the new name. So, now they said they're issuing a birth certificate and girl chance and when the amendment comes, I need to bring it back. So, I'm still waiting on the social, but I will add her to my insurance because it it's no extra cost. I have other children that use that insurance.
>> Okay. And and and you think the benefits are are good benefits?
>> I do. I do.
>> So, you would move Natalie Jr. to your insurance as soon as she gets a social security number.
>> It's a social champ.
>> How quickly do you think you can make that happen?
>> Um, I don't know. I'm working on it. I just went to social security on Wednesday of last week, so I'm working on it.
>> Okay.
And as far as you know, the only obstacle to adding Natalie Jr. to your insurance is the lack of a social security number.
>> Lack of a social and they are four weeks backed up right now. So once I give them the social, it'll take about four weeks.
>> Okay.
um your finances. Did you prepare a financial affidavit that you swore out?
>> I worked with someone to um to write it out for me. Okay. Mr. Williams has swearing all these businesses. If you look on um >> I I just want to know if you have Mr. Williams has submitted a sworn financial affidavit, which means if you someday learn that he omitted something or whatnot. Um, that's perjury and this and that, all sorts of bad things could flow. I don't know that I've ever seen a financial affidavit from you.
>> And his attorney, let's see what it's under.
>> I'm not saying you didn't. I just want to get it.
>> I did. Maybe maybe 15th somewhere around where that first order is for where that first time we went to mediation.
>> Okay.
Hey, judge. Um, may I say something that I was I forgot to say on my list here?
>> Sure.
um along you've already covered the uh the um the the um charge or the complaint against me in Cob County. Uh so um there was in in the genesis of this and I tell you how I know because my internal affairs office they were looking they called me I had to sit down with an interview with Sergeant Ellison because initially there was a TPO put against me. It was never signed off on and I guess whoever it was submitted to didn't sign it. My office called me. They say, "Hey, you know, you being sworn off, so this could be a problem." So, what's going on? So, I had to communicate with them for the first couple of court sessions, let them know it was a civil matter. It's not a criminal matter. And so, the other side did try to put a TPO on me. And I'm like, we're not even communicating.
We're not seeing each other. Where' this come from? So I'm just very concerned about that because my livelihood and Judge Kate was told about this as well and he advised Miss Chance if if this happens how's he going to pay child support. He said that in in open court. So I just want to make you aware of that as well.
>> That's helpful context.
>> Your honor, they were asked in a subpoena to produce those documents. No such things exist. him and his attorney both said that they were in receipt of them and I put a subpoena for them to produce those documents. What's a partial TPO where somebody almost put in a TPO that he stated he was in receipt of it and we need to know what it is. If one person has a TPO on the other, it will affect how you give out that the order for us to exchange with the child.
They need to produce that.
>> You didn't ever try to take out a TPO?
>> I never did. Never did such a thing.
>> Okay. I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but it's helpful to hear what Mr. Williams was bumping up against. And I'm >> He has a TPO. He said he had it in his receipt. We need to see it. And there's a subpoena for it. I subpoenaed them to produce it.
>> Okay. How about your financial affidavit? Are you finding it?
>> Um, no, I'm not into that.
>> You looking in May?
>> Am I looking in May?
>> May. I think it was like May.
>> Do you think it would be in the docket?
>> It I filed it. So, I thought you were supposed to file it.
>> Oh, if you filed it. I don't know that you were supposed to file it.
>> I thought I was supposed to file it. So, >> maybe it's part of your There's another one of these consent.
>> It's not in the consent. It came before that >> parenting plan, but this one's different.
Uh, let's see. Required documents to be produced.
>> I think that's it.
37.
Hey So, um, you did file something, um, Miss Chance, that's labeled required documents to be produced. Um, it's not quite a financial affidavit. It says these are the things that you um need to give to the other side. Um and one example is um provide your W2 or 1099 for the past year and you said you've provided your W2 for tax year 2025.
I assume that means you got it to Mr. Patillo.
>> Correct.
>> All right. Cuz I don't have it. Um but you weren't required to send it to the court at that time. Um, it may be that I have Miss Niles send you the financial affidavit so you can fill that out and attest to it because I don't see one um in the record. And it's okay that it's not in the record. It's not really required to be in the record, but it needs to get to me one way or the other.
So, um, that may be um something I need to it's probably something I need to get before I can finalize what the child support calculation is going to look like. Although if Judge K was able to do the math that he did, you must have given him documents.
>> I did. I gave him the um the final document that I receive every month from the VA.
>> Okay.
>> Required that.
>> All right. Well, I'll probably have you do an affidavit. So, you're filling out the very same thing Mr. Williams did, and it subjects you to the same liability it subjects Mr. we if you are not including a trust that you are benefiting from or bank account where you've put money and then um later on Mr. Patillo does some subpoenas and lo and behold there's a Wells Fargo account that is to your benefit and there's $50,000 in it. You didn't include that in your affidavit, you would have sworn out a document to the court um that is false and that's always a bad idea. Um so um I'll make sure um that you do that affidavit and that it gets to Mr. Patillo as well.
Okay. Um Mr. Patillo, anything else um on behalf of Mr. Williams?
um only that um we uh we do have a timetable and you would like us to file the um the on a for a final determination on both custody and um visitation. I know you're going to put it in temporary order today, but you have a time table.
You'll make the final >> No, you you can file whenever you want.
It won't slow things down here. We need to get closure on what Miss Chance has filed, which will be closure for both sides on a number of issues. Um, and then it will at least set that temporary in place um so that when you file the custody um petition um really Judge K um because he'll want to set a temporary um but there'll already be one in place. Do you need to take a break? I didn't think to ask.
We're almost done. You think you can make it?
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Um >> so the the timing is really up up to you and Mr. Williams.
>> All right. And then um also I believe petitioner earlier stated Mr. Williams can see the child whenever he wants to.
I would just want that included in the um temporary order.
>> Right. It's not going to say it quite like that because I think that's too free form and and we'll create some confusion. And so I'm gonna put a little bit of rigor around that. So it won't be 3 in the morning. Hey, I'd like to see not that he do that, but um it's it's going to be a little more structured and it may be too structured. We can always come back and modify temporary things.
We're not going to come back and modify the final things.
>> And and then just finally on the temporary, Mr. Williams will like it if Miss Chance or just a single destiny could be in charge of turning over the child. Um not you know as he said strangers, strange people. So if there is an Opair then that person not a ex-boyfriend or man that he doesn't know holding his daughter those sorts of things.
>> Can I help you out with that your honor?
So >> you can hold on. Um I get it. I I'll think about how we structure that, but I wouldn't want to um preclude Mr. Williams from a potential visitation opportunity if at that moment um the designated person wasn't available to bring um Natalie Jr. to him. So, I I I'll think through that. I understand the concern, Mr. Williams, and it it's very natural. Um, but uh I I'll need to think through a good way to structure that because neither side is able to say you can't have people in your life. And that's not what Mr. Williams is saying directly. Um, but Miss Chance is um an independent adult and she may choose to have someone in her life that Mr. Williams doesn't know and when he sees that person may say that's a strange person, but it doesn't make that person strange and it doesn't make that person someone who shouldn't be around Natalie Jr. Um, in the same way that Miss Chance doesn't have the role to say, "I don't like Williams's new girlfriend. She can't be around my kid." I mean, that's hopefully we can avoid those kinds of struggles. Um, but at this point, we're we're not there yet.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Was there something you felt you needed to add?
>> Yes. So, um, some the parent can't work all day and sometimes if I have therapy and it's her time to be off, then he he may receive her from somebody else. The person he received her from was my mom.
He doesn't know my mom, but that's my mom. So, he >> is that the strange woman?
>> The strange woman. And then my um older two children, their dad has been instrumental because I had a C-section.
So, he had to be there to take care of his kids and he spent time with her, too. So, when he takes them, if I'm going to appointment, he takes all the kids, but I got skin in the game because I raised his sister's kids when she passed away. So, he's willing to do the same. We co-parent well. So, it's just not strangers, but you may not. You know, I plan on keeping this opair. So, it'll mainly be the OPAIR doing the transition.
>> All right. And Mr. Williams's request is a a reasonable one as long as um it makes sense given your your life flow as well. So, I hear both of you. Um how many people live in your household?
If if you were to say, "Judge, come on over for dinner on Sunday night." How many people would be there besides me?
me, my three children, and the IPA.
>> Okay. So, five five people, three of whom are your kids, one with Mr. Williams, two with the other gentleman you mentioned, then the Opair. And the Opair is roughly how old?
>> She is 26 and she's from South Africa.
>> Okay. All right.
Um, this has been helpful to me. Um, I hope um it's been helpful for both sides to be able to get some of this out that you can't necessarily get out in pleadings.
Um, I will take this under advisement.
Um, if I have questions for one side, the email from Miss Niles will go to both sides. Um, and um, if the other side that wasn't asked the question feels like you need to chime in, feel free to chime in. But, um, I'll have Miss Niles make it real clear. This is a question for Mr. Williams. Doesn't mean you can't answer. just means, hey, this is something that another piece of information we need, but there won't be any if it's for Mr. Williams, we just send it there. It'll go to everyone. I think one of the first things out of the box is going to be getting an empty financial affidavit to you, um, Miss Chance, so you can fill that out. Um, and I'll move forward, um, once you've done that. Um, I'm also going to be looking to you, and I'm not shifting burdens here, but this is something you, I think, are uniquely positioned to do to, um, accelerate as best you can this birth certificate, social security number issue. And if you learn that a court order would make it go even faster, um, let me know that.
>> Can we try to I think, um, >> I just don't I would need to know what the order says. So, and you don't need to tell me right now, but if you talk with Social Security or Vital Records, the people who do the birth certificates, um, well, if you had a court order, we could do it tomorrow.
Then you just let me know what that court order needs to say. Um, including Mr. Patillo and, um, all of the communications you have with Miss Niles.
But if I can loosen it so we get it sooner, um, I think it will clear up a lot if you get Natalie Jr. back under your healthcare. Absolutely.
>> Um but uh we can't do that till we clear up that paperwork.
>> Okay.
>> All right.
>> Um in additionally, when you do the arrangements for um um for custody and her visiting, I just want you to keep in mind she's a breastfed child. So sometime if she goes away for the weekend, it's hard to reset and get back. Um she takes a bottle from dad, but doesn't take a bottle from me. So think um you know when you put in whatever your order is please try to it's hard after 2 days to get back on president.
>> No no I hear you. Um and and um that's that's an important point. And um Mr. Williams do you have other kids?
>> I do. I do.
>> You've been through the infant process before?
>> Yes sir.
>> Okay. Um then I I don't need to explain to you that um visitation will be very different as time progresses. Um the interactions will be different. the duration can be different um because you move beyond um some of the constraints that might be imposed because there's a reason why um Natalie Jr. needs to be near Natalie Senior um from time to time um as opposed to it can be exactly equal if that's where it ends up. It just may not start that way. Yeah, as she stated, uh I I've completed a a complete detailed uh list of care, bottles, ounces, diaper changes, poops, all that stuff. It's been submitted to the court. So, as she mentioned, I don't have a problem. No, she does. Well, she said I don't have a problem giving the baby a bottle. The baby doesn't have a problem even though it's said to be breast milk. Um, but uh, so she's I've tried two different formulas and one she likes better than the other.
>> Great. And I I didn't hear Miss Chance say anything negative about your ability to care for Natalie Jr. She was simply explaining it gets a little complicated for her when the kids away and then that that the reconnection and that's an excellent point that I need to keep in mind. Hence my explanation that you might see a visitation schedule temporary um that seems it's kind of restrictive and it's not very long but there the reasons for that are not any I don't trust Mr. we with the kid so much as based on how this child gets its nutrition and the link that a mother has that a father doesn't to that it's just going to look different then fast forward and this is a kid who's aged two and then that that's not what the situation is um and and lastly she it was stated that I never asked for the baby I asked for the baby gave her three days two or three days notice and I was said it wouldn't be possible So, >> okay, >> that did happen just last.
>> We're going to agree to disagree again between the two of you.
>> Well, send a text. I I got text.
>> Okay. I I I believe you. Um I've got plenty to work on here. Um and like I said, um I'll have Miss Niles reach out to both sides if um I need to get something more from either side. Um so, Miss Chance, last chance. anything more we need to talk about today?
>> No, I think we pretty much summed it up.
The only thing I do want to add is um Mr. Wis is concerned about the cost of the OPAIR. If you look up the cost for daycare in Kennesaw, it's more than what we pay for the Opair. So, I did do a cost analysis. I didn't just wing out there, but I felt like with schedules is easier with the Opair cuz we could control her schedule more than being controlled by a daycare schedule.
>> Okay. I I I was not flabbergasted by the dollar amount that you shared. And what I heard Mr. Patillo saying on behalf of his client is simply it's it's frustrating for Mr. Williams because he has no input at all. And maybe purely making this up. He once you said Opair like great, I got a perfect idea and she'd work for less or something. Who knows? But that dialogue didn't happen understandably. though um my goal is to work towards a setting where that dialogue would happen um about um potential improvements to situations. Um Mr. Patillo, anything more on behalf of Mr. Williams?
>> Mr. One sec.
>> Yes. Sorry, your honor. It it Oh, just to be clear, I'm glad you we got past the address part because that was restated several times with Judge K and Judge Ellerby. The the address is put out to the public. So, the other side should have the address >> and the Oh, and um just let the court know, I do have space for an Opair in my resident. I have a totally whole room.
The child has the room its own bed. They have a the other half has its own bathroom. So they had to have their own space that wouldn't inter mingle with my space.
>> Okay, good to know. Appreciate it.
>> Well, everyone, um, thank you for your time. Um, I will excuse you. We will be in touch um with any followup.
>> Can I just present to him these medical bills that he was concerned about?
>> Yeah, why don't you give them to Mr. Patillo? That would be great.
>> Then this is the green knows how it works.
>> All right, that concludes our business. Be excused.
>> You may. Um in fact, why don't you guys go first and Miss Chance, you sit tight here. We'll let Mr. Patillo and Mr. Williams go.
>> Thank you.
>> You're welcome. Appreciate everyone's time.
>> I don't know if I can see her today.
>> I can deliver >> the unicorn.
>> Yeah, she likes it. You know, when she comes over We're all done. So, you don't need to take anything more down. Yeah, >> Miss Chance, tell me how that assistance helps you.
>> So, um, I have a military injury where I had a weapon go off um by my ear. So, sometimes if I have tonitis, I can't just read the lips. I need to more so see what's going on. So, it just depends on the >> Got it. It's another way to be following what's being said. Okay. Where did you serve?
>> The Army for Bragg.
>> So, whatever happened happened on US soil. You weren't in Iraq or something.
>> There was no US.
>> Okay.
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