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Do you think it's smart to send homemade perfume to somebody you've only known for 10 days? Connor, why does this matter?
Why does this matter? Because this [ __ ] has torched endless professional opportunities for his I think I'm doing okay professionally. I don't need recommendations from you for how to run my life. Number one. Number two.
>> Yes, you do, you dumb because you keep burning your own life. Number two, I'm not the one >> a [ __ ] social worker. Grow up. You're 40. Connor, you are [music] on the internet talking about sex with >> You are age playing with a groper's wife. You know Lauren wanted to get back with you? She loves you. She wants the best for you. She thinks that underneath all the sludge and [ __ ] of your [ __ ] up little life, there is something redeeming about you. But you are such a [ __ ] [ __ ] that it is impossible to be your friend. It's impossible to be your partner. It is impossible to tell you that you're wrong. It's impossible for you to take a [ __ ] L. So take a [ __ ] L and take a goddamn lap. Connor, if you want a [ __ ] L me and Lauren have been dating for like 3 months and we both agreed not to tell you because you asked her out while we were in the MIDDLE OF DATING.
>> [screaming] >> OH BOY, I FEEL DIRTY.
YOU described Ethan Klein. I think lefties are crazy. I think the pro-Palestinian side is crazy and >> Is this before or after my name got brought up? Brick wall with two euros.
Wasn't the go cooeyman talk on a different stream? I don't know the OG. I don't know. I think I could probably find more evidence for these people. I think that Israel is bad, but it's not as bad as it's being characterized as.
And I think generally speaking, you should be nice to Jews. Um so realistically, you I haven't sued anybody into silence. Um but you should still probably hate me about 20% as much as you hate Ethan Klein based off of that rationale. So, yeah, just because we're speaking calmly doesn't mean we agree with each other.
Um Yeah, sure. Sure. I I don't think I I don't think I hate you 20% as much as I hate Ethan Klein, but sure. Yeah. Okay.
Well, that's fine. That's probably good.
The Okay, so we kind of got to Keffals and in line and doxing. Are there any other reasons why you can think of why you hate Destiny?
>> And then Mac Mallison with $20. Holy hell, can't even get snarker drama without going through Israel-Palestine first. I mean, there's there's obviously an important and necessary conversation that needs to happen about Israel {slash} uh you know, Gaza and the West Bank or Israel {slash} Palestine, but the fact that it gets roped into like every conversation makes my spidey sense tingle a little bit. Uh I was one of these people for a long time that felt like charges of anti-Semitism were largely overblown, and boy did I have no idea. I feel a little bit silly in retrospect. It's just interesting that of all of the countries in the world that have somewhat uh a somewhat homogeneous like ethnic makeup that's like only Israel that people talk about. That's a little strange to me. Why do you think that is?
Why don't we spend more time talking about like Latvia or Japan?
Uh it's just a little odd. If the whole point is that, you know, like the principal opposition to to Israel apart from the treatment of the Palestinians is the fact that it's it's considered an ethno-state by many, why is it the only country that comes up? It's just that's just odd to me. It's a little odd. And then do you think Sorry, second part of the question.
Second part of the question is these are the top three reasons that you gave me for why you hate Destiny.
Do you feel like your conduct on the internet for the past two years has been proportional to his sins.
Um yeah, another reason why I hate Destiny. Uh he took Sugar and Spice away from us.
Okay.
>> [laughter] >> So, yeah, I assume you know what Sugar and Spice was? I don't know what that means.
Yes, it's uh Streaderino and Pixie's podcast.
Yeah. Yeah, and there hasn't been a an episode in over a year and a half, Connor, if you can believe that. There has not been a single a single episode in over a year and a half.
You know what? I I have an opinion on something. Um I actually caught the conversation that Connor had with Kman like a week and a half ago. Uh I was playing Death Stranding 2 on my PC like I do from time to time.
And uh you know, I just clicked the pulled YouTube up and the homepage recommended me Connor's stream talking to Kman and my sense of that was that Kman they were talking about his divorce. They were talking about Connor's divorce.
And I got a little confused during that conversation cuz it felt like the whole conversation Kman was trying to basically take a bunch of jabs at Connor. Like the whole every question he asked was trying to make Connor look bad or uh trying to get Connor to um like say bad things about Destiny. And I was like, this this conversation feels kind of one-sided. I was like, why is Connor being friendly with this person?
I didn't really understand that.
I'm not alleging anything. I'm not alleging anything sinister, but I I I don't know if Connor was like fully aware of uh that did it didn't sound like a friendly conversation between like two people that are friendly with each other. It was just like Kman um asking leading questions, playing to his audience. And so, I don't really understand their chummy friendship. I don't really understand cuz cuz I got the sense that they used to like not get along and then now Connor I guess is like trying to play nice or something. I I could not be more angry.
I could not be more angry. Okay.
Okay. Sorry. All right. I I feel like that's partially sarcastic and partially earnest.
Well, yeah, but it's you know, I'm obviously entailing the the underlying behavior that caused that to be the case is part of it.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. So so Pixie would be unironically one of the ones that you dislike aggressively.
>> Yeah, I would say Pixie and everything that's wrapped up in that. I I wouldn't necessarily put Pixie Pixie alone. You know, if if let's let's imagine cuz Destiny's already admitted to sharing nudes without without consent in the past. He already in the Bob 7 manifesto admits to doing that. Mhm. So that you that was already publicly known that that he has done or would do that.
Um not not really controversial to say.
Um So how do I I think you mentioned that uh previously as well with the Bob 7 manifesto.
Um so in reference to that like uh you know, the Bill Cosby joke is popping into my head of like you know, I think the worst part was the hypocrisy. Um but the my my question for that is like I think you've pointed out that what uh hold on. I'll I'll I'll I'll sweep for Destiny real quick.
So for Bob 7, uh he used his booking job in in order to get in the ears of all these women, pit them against each other, talk [ __ ] about each other, etc. etc. and then send nudes without people's consent or whatever. Um so how do you view Steven as hypocritical in that regard if Why is this conversation on stream? I don't know. I don't have a good answer for you. I don't think any of these conversations should be happening on the internet, but it's all very content brain. I don't know how much you can expect like how much of a productive conversation you can expect to have on stream with like an audience, you know.
It's all very con- content brain. If um if that was the criticism that destroyed Bob 7's career.
Well, I mean, that's that's the it.
It does it like there's a clip of him actually laying out in no uncertain terms that it's unethical to try and try and get with the women you're booking for. Um that's basically it it's I don't understand that where the line would be between what Bob 7 did and what what he does with his stream. Obviously, he's I think he said he doesn't really believe it anymore. Um I don't know that I believe it as a as a hard rule even. But that that is absolutely I would say that there's no way around the the hypocrisy there. Um What about what about the other >> considerations that you need to make if you're going to do that sort of thing and and Destiny does not make any of those considerations.
>> So so this is a this I listen, fair warning, fair warning, I'm going to start I'm going to start being very draconian, okay?
I'm going to start doing week-long time outs when people come in and they're like, "Uh, when are you going to cover politics?"
We're covering drama, baby. Listen, we're we're riding this wave.
It's what the people want. I go where my audience goes. This is a descriptively true statement. Um and and this is why I'm not going to become a snarker who endlessly obsessively stalks Destiny. Uh I'm not that >> I'll do it.
I'll [ __ ] do it, bro. stalking him physically. I'm just saying like Destiny's >> Yeah, in this front, totally audience captured.
Just I just quickly I I I reject even that characterization. I feel like I should be firmer on this side of the idea that I'm just totally obsessed with Destiny. I don't cover him that much at this point. There was a long long stretches where I'm just not covering him. Only recently because he's gone so [ __ ] crazy, uh me and people around me have I started covering him again.
>> Should Should I sweep for you by pulling up your uh video >> Please, please. I always appreciate >> your video uh compilation because I will I will say that part of the accusations against you are reliant upon your obsessive desire to destroy Destiny.
Um but it does look like you not not only does your video diet have a substantial amount of diversity, but it seems like gaming I'll literally list all the creators that I see, okay.
I got Tech Tone, No Samson, Hutch, Nick Di Oreo, Ethan Klein and Destiny, me, me, Destiny, Ethan Klein.
>> Yoko, can you blame the voters if they vote for slop?
>> So it seems like if we were actually to break that out >> Nico with $10 this is politics, interpersonal politics. Uh if I In a way, in a way, sure. We could stretch it.
>> months to a year, it looks like you hate Nicholas Di Oreo substantially more than you hate Destiny or at least you're giving him substantially more coverage.
Yeah, yeah, that is >> This is democracy manifest. Yes, true.
how much I hate him, but absolutely I Yeah, I spend way more time talking about thinking about Nicholas Di Oreo making content with Nicholas Di Oreo.
Did you back off on Destiny because he was threatening to dox you or was it or content or both? Like like what math would you put in there?
I'd say that there's always an element where it's like There's some pretty crucial context that's being left out here. I don't know how he treated other people, but I know that he and his audience like he can say, "Well, I didn't cover Destiny all that much." but like if you click on every single one of the videos that are about me, for example, let's just let's just pull up those videos.
The thing that he and his psychotic audience do is they call me like a Destiny orbiter.
That's like their whole thing, lying sweeper. So if we just click on this Never trust Hutch, for real. Something his significant others and family members have probably learned long ago.
I can't I can't believe YOU'RE LIKE BRO, WHAT THE [ __ ] 2 SECONDS IN, his family probably hates him. Who are these people? Like what Like I don't know what this is Like I don't really talk about my family all that much.
You know, and when I do Well, I mean sometimes I do like ingest.
I talk about like uh my political disagreements with my dad or whatever, but Yeah, so like here 3 minutes in, the guilt by association Destiny thing for Is this guy some kind of No, you said that you were cutting Destiny off because of a hard moral line that you drew in the stat during the sand. Then you lied and said there were new details that made that a bit more of a gray area. Then you lied about that and said you never said it. Refused Just none of this is true. None of this is true. The original the well, the original the sin. The original sin, when the Pixie stuff first popped off.
Um it was super toxic.
And I still have issues with that I've I've told Destiny like directly.
I still have issues with um some of his behavior, but again, just to reiterate, for me, like I'm not going to necessarily confront someone with their behavior and talk about like disapproving of their behavior unless we're like pretty good friends IRL. Does that make sense? Like if I'm just acquaintances with someone, we don't really like communicate outside of streaming or some other like really specific context, I'm not going to approach that person and be like, "Hey, this thing you did, I don't approve of that."
Because it's just not my place. Like just imagine Imagine you make some mistake in your life and then some person that doesn't know you, that you're not friends with, comes up and says, you know, like, "Hey, that thing that you did, I didn't like that."
Well, it's just not appropriate.
>> [laughter] >> It doesn't make sense. So, uh because all of that stuff was so radioactive and because, you know, I I didn't I didn't like uh some of the behavior that I saw, I just kind of backed off a little bit, but I'm not going to reach out to Destiny and be like, "Here's what I think you did wrong." We're not even [ __ ] friends like that. Why would I do that? You know, now that all that said, there are some things that have come out during the trial. Like admittedly, I don't really keep up with the trial, but some of the stuff pops up on my feed. And it it paints certain things in like a different context and like maybe it wasn't quite as bad as like what was being suggested before.
Um but when I when I put space between myself and Des- Destiny, I wasn't like that wasn't some commitment to never talk to him ever again. I have conversations with people all the time that uh if I think it's makes for good content or if I think of the it's like interesting to debate with them on some politics thing or whatever. Like I'm not it's not my job to be the the moral the person who judges everyone's morals and then like cuts everyone off who commits some kind of sin. I I will have conversations with imperfect people all the time. That doesn't mean that I cosign everything that I do. I shouldn't have to ex- or everything that they do.
I shouldn't have to explain this. This is this should just be common sense.
Like everybody understands this issue, but for these psychotically obsessed [ __ ] losers, it takes on this whole new meaning and it's all just so irrational, but whatever. Um you know, so how many of these videos like you see like when I pull up, you know, Koiman's channel like you're not talking about Destiny all that much. I [ __ ] promise you Destiny's name comes up in probably most of these videos.
Like all roads lead to Destiny and Israel with these psychotically obsessed weirdos. You know, you don't want to be on super hot tense dangerous sometimes situations for a huge amount of time.
And if you if you can sort of take a path of least resistance some it is easy to do that and that that's appealing sometimes. But I wouldn't say it was determinative in in any way. I would say like you know, it's just like a it's a consideration. The idea that you know, you you might get And Ethan Yeah, and Lana Box I suppose.
But it was never like sort of determinative. I'm not going to cover this cuz what if this happens? This might be a weird question and you can say no comment, but have you been doxxed at this point?
No comment. I don't want to say that.
Okay.
Um Okay, [ __ ] Well, all right, then I I suppose we should get back to Eat Israel real quick. So, part of the narrativization that I saw in the video that I'm not going to straw man. So, we articulated why Destiny did a search on stream yesterday and showed that in one of the Nick DiOrio videos he was brought up like 80 times. Yeah, of course. He can say, "Oh, I haven't even talked about Destiny all that much." [ __ ] [ __ ] bro. Are you kidding me? Ethan Klein should be disliked. We articulated probably why Israel should be disliked.
I don't fully understand it, to be honest. I don't fully understand it.
One thing that's become a little bit more clear to me in recent weeks is that it does appear to be a pattern at this point that it seems like the ones that are more psychotically obsessed with Destiny, it seems like they came from his community.
The ones that hate him the most were the ones that were like in his community.
So, I think that's kind of interesting.
I don't really know what to make of that or how to unpack that, but Destiny is not the only provocative commentator on the internet. There's so many, and yet for for so many people he's like the singular focus of their obsession.
And so I'm like, what it what is so distinct and unique about Destiny's content that makes the the like his anti-fans as as obsessed as they are? I don't really know how to make sense of it. There's like hundreds of provocative commentators. I just assume Kwebbelkop was a was a fan of Destiny at one point.
Um It could be because he's political, but there's hundreds of political provocative commentators. What is so distinct about Destiny that he I mean he's very I would say aggressive.
Like he's just that's not exactly abnormal in this space. Destiny leans into his own drama instead of avoiding it like most normal creators.
Um yeah, I would say to his detriment.
That is something that he does, yeah. We articulated why you specifically don't like Destiny. Um so is your argument that there is a intentional Zionist narrative in the internet or do you think people are picking up on it subconsciously and therefore it's like aligned interest? What what do you think is the balance between that?
Um sorry, so you're you're basically saying is is it is it a conspiracy or just like a aligning? Yeah, let's say there was Mossad calling Destiny and calling Ethan Klein and giving them $50,000 a year in order to sweep for Israel in cash. [ __ ] One was definitely heavily suggesting that there was a coordinated conspiracy by an international cabal of Zionists.
Like he very clearly suggested that. Not that it was like manufacturing consent kind of things you know, messaging aligning. It wasn't that. He was very obviously insinuating that that it was a coordinated conspiracy.
Um Matt with two months, thank you Matt.
Appreciate it, buddy. Uh and then let's say there was well, you know, Israel's just kind of in the zeitgeist and most people think that if you hate Jews too much then you're anti-Semitic.
Therefore, I'm going to kind of go with the flow. Uh between those two perspectives, where do you kind of line up the e-Israel comments that you were making in your video?
It's um sorry.
I'm not a alleging or even I don't even believe in or suggest or any anything any more coordination than is basically entirely publicly viewable. Um you can see Dan Schuman publish an article with the Free Press. That is Dan Goldman working with the massive Zionist machine. That is That is Barry Weiss's paper. That is him going there to write an article that Al Sayed and Sargon. That is very clearly Dan using the Zionist infrastructure in America to push his own interests. That is what is happening there. Just no if, or ands, or buts about it. Same with when Dan goes to, say, the ADL, Richie Torres, tries to put pressure on Twitch to get people banned for the Sargon stuff.
>> Torres a congressman?
Yeah. Yeah, I believe he's a congressman. Yeah, I I saw I saw him tweeting about Sargon a few times, but I I didn't see him otherwise. Uh, so So, hold on. So, So, from Dan's perspective, though, let's say that you're you're Dan real quick, or I'm Dan.
And I say, "Well, I was raised Jewish, I was raised in the synagogue, my kids are Jews, they're raised in the synagogue. I buy into the narrative that Israel is the fallback point, God forbid there's like an American Holocaust. And so, as a result, while maybe I don't like everything that's happening in the West Bank, or, you know, Southern Lebanon, or Gaza, I still think that we need like, at, you know, may- maybe a little bit of ethnic cleansing. Like, ethnic cleansing as a treat. Uh, so, I still need to support this Zionist machine because it's in the existential interest of me and my family. Uh, therefore, not only am I a Zionist, but I'm also going to work with other Zionists." How do you feel, uh, about that? Like, you know, I'm presuming an internal monologue, but how do you feel about that internal monologue? I I don't I don't like, um, Where I think all of this like falls apart is Koomon was talking about this like international Zionist conspiracy in the context of the Snarker drama. He made a video where he was like, "Isn't it convenient that they're trying to take us down?" You know, "They" with like three parentheses. Like, isn't that kind of What do we all have in common? We all dislike Israel. Oh, you think that's a coincidence?" And it's like, so so he was I don't know if he was dog whistling, or I don't know what you would call it, but he was connecting this international cabal of Zionists to like the Snarker drama. How the [ __ ] do you like I it's just so it's so detached from reality?
So I'll try to figure out how to say it like pause this out like separate these things. I don't have like it doesn't sort of like how I say to you like I expect you to hate >> GW1D0 with 5 Euros. Why did you mention Latvia? Just curious. I Googled like what are some other countries that are considered ethno-states? What is the Let's look it up. What is the ethnic composition of Latvia? It's on your knee icon. I don't have this huge hate for someone who believes a thing and is playing the the game within the rules to get Latvians make up the majority at the beginning of 2025 the share of Latvians in the total population reached 63.7%.
Russians are by far the largest minority. Russian the Russian share fell to about 24.1%.
percent At the beginning of uh 2025, the remaining roughly 12% is made up of smaller groups.
Belarusians, Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians and others about 1.6%.
Is there like a unified ethnicity for like Eastern European guys? I don't even know what Are we even talking about ethnicity when we talk about Well, yeah, obviously. Yeah, never mind. Yeah, it's called white. Got you.
Slavic, is that what you would say?
That I don't have an excuse to say for that. When I say that the comment about the machine and it all using each other's interest, that is almost like entirely descriptive in that part. You know, it's like yeah, that they are kind of going to do that. Um but people would deny that that's what's being done. And that's sort of like where I get more annoyed is is the idea that people suggest that people are acting like all this stuff is like uh totally organic or that actually, you know, the the the pro-Israel side are uh the the underdogs or some stupid [ __ ] like that.
Um and that's where I started getting annoyed with what was being said because it's like >> How do you How do you feel about the narrative underdog or the underdog narrative in reference to So, for instance, like um I read a book called Israel the Startup Nation. It was literally in a business class. And it it's effectively a narrativization of the entrepreneurial spirit of the Jewish people that was necessary during the formation of the country in the '40s, '50s, and '60s, where, you know, you could argue they stole intellectual property.
But what the uh what the Israelis would say is that they were almost a pariah state that was incapable of developing uh their technology because they just literally didn't have it. And so, stealing intellectual property because they were prohibited because they were a pariah state, and then reverse engineering that technology was necessary to the creation of their state. And then I think they did get their [ __ ] kicked in.
>> Um musty musty guy we can't trust he with $10. None of this is related to politics, to be honest.
Truthfully, these streamers saw the video of Destiny giving head and have been trying to justify any excuse to get his attention ever since.
I don't know I don't know I get the sense that the obsession is about something more than just uh Destiny on the surface. Like, there's something else going on there.
Um obviously, like 40 48 was pretty spicy. And then it was either 60 or 70 or something. My thing here is you That's not playing This is what I mean though. So, this is sort of the same sort of thing that I take issue with with Dan Forest. Then you're not playing the game with >> Tilapia, I guess, was not the strongest examples of an ethno-state.
Cuz there are other countries like Japan, Poland, Hungary, and Portugal that are 90% of their titular group. And the rule was like, "Yes, you're a pariah state because you should have been a pariah state because you were a settler colonial project, and you were That's the way you were being treated. And you were uh yeah, if you're stealing intellectual property, that's that's wrong." Well, I mean, I don't even know how much I care about intellectual property. But you really should play within the rules. So, how how do you deal with the How do you deal with their moral system? Then it's like, "Well, okay, you're going to prohibit us number one from existing, but number two from breaking the rules. So, why would we listen to you about the rules? Doesn't ethno-state imply that the migration policy is ethnic-based? I'm not really sure. It seems like there are different definitions that people go with. It's one of those words that it gets kind of murky depending on who you talk to. Well, yeah. I mean, ultimately you have to you have to enforce it, right? But, it's because I mean Isn't any country with more than 50% of the dominant ethnicity an ethno-state? Isn't that basically every country? I don't know. What is the What is the dictionary definition of ethno-state? An ethno-state is a political entity, a state that is populated by and governed primarily for the benefit of a single ethnic group. So, that is the Copilot definition. Dictionary.com says ethno-state is a country populated by or dominated by the interests of a single racial or ethnic group. Now, that is pretty broad. One one could debate that America, as uh as much of a melting pot as it is, a lot of people would argue that um it is dominated by the interests of white people, for example. So, I don't know. These terms are a little murky to me.
If it's still the um If it's I There's a difference between sort of like the the moral argument and how you stop them from doing it, right?
Because obviously that doesn't stop them. It's still the They're not going to stop but they should they should still be enforced. Well, so just as an example, a private Jewish gentleman, this was one of the stories in the book, um uh Israel was prohibited uh internationally from buying commonly available commercial airliners.
>> [snorts] >> Refunct, thank you so much for 6 months.
And so, what they did is they found an American Jew who was sympathetic to the state of Israel. They bought a commercial airplane because private American citizens are willing to do so.
Then they flew through some kind of airspace because there was like, you know, prohibited airspace where if they were found out to be shipping it to Israel, then they probably would have been like escorted by American military.
>> If America is an ethno-state, then literally every country is one. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah. uh back to a base. But they they took a Yeah, we need Yeah, definitely. We need a country for bald people. Yeah. like a devious route. Then they arrived with a commercial airliner, and then they reverse-engineered the commercial airliner. Now, for me, it's like if I had to choose between existence and breaking a rule, I'm obviously going to break the [ __ ] rule. And and a commercial airliner is not as malevolent as like military technology, right? So So I guess my question is like uh Baldistan. There you go.
No country for bald men.
Yeah, as a nation-state. Yeah, I think basically the whole nation-state world I've been denied. Yeah, I think the whole thing's wrong. So yeah, I mean, ideally they would troll over and die.
Okay, but all right, that's fine. I'm asking this question not because I don't know the answer, but because I just want to hear it out loud. Um you could understand how Zionists would be like, "Okay, well, [ __ ] Queen Mary then, right?" Yeah. Okay, so Yeah, just for a long time we had like empires, dynasties, monarchies.
And then there was a wave of nationalism all over the world, and ethno-states popped up all over the place.
Uh And many of those countries maintained their kind of cultural and ethnic homogeneity to this day.
And it's like, as someone who lives in a liberal democracy, in a multicultural country, I have my opinion and bias. I think like I think that's that's the way to go. But the fact that we have so many countries that are as homogeneous as they are, it's like, well, you know, those countries are a product of their times. And what would be like the solution to to this? So would we like force forcefully migrate a bunch of people into a bunch of different countries until every country is one giant melting pot? That doesn't really work, right?
So I don't know. Like I'm not I'm not as uh the [clears throat] idea of countries being as homogeneous as they are is not something that is like offensive to me.
It's like I just look at history and I'm like, "Well, that makes sense."
Kind of makes sense.
And I just find it very odd and curious and and suspicious that Israel is like the focus of all of the discussions of being against ethno-states one country of like 9 million people one tiny country with 9 million people that's the one that gets the most attention. It's strange. It's a little suspicious.
All right, just double checking. Just double checking. Cuz sometimes people criticize Israel and then when the [ __ ] Zionists come back and they say some spicy [ __ ] everybody gets their [ __ ] feelings hurt. So, I just wanted to That's going to get clipped. Why? That's That's Wait, hang on. That's not going to get clipped. That's not a That's just such an obvious take.
Lay that out there. Oh, yeah. How do you feel about the charges?
Sorry, go ahead.
I was going to say, how do you feel about the charges of anti-Semitism where for instance like Ethan Klein would identify himself as a anti-Zionist, but leftists would call him a liberal Zionist because he still wants a two-state solution with frozen borders and the existence of the nation-state of Israel. Uh [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] God damn it. I was laying >> Like my two-state position is not one that is based in philosophy or ideology, if that makes sense.
I'm not making a philosophical a moral a moral case for a two-state solution.
It's purely pragmatic. I've talked about this a lot on the stream, but the term Zionist in many ways is like kind of outdated. The word Zionism and and the Zionists of the of the of the earliest like the in the late 19th century when this word first sprang into existence and this idea sprang into existence? It's a bit outdated, isn't it? Because Israel exists. It's not a question of like should there be should should Jewish people have the right to self-determination or should should Jewish people have their own country?
It exists. It's existed for 78 years. I don't even know what the math is at this point. That ship has sailed. It's not up for debate anymore. And and it's like I feel like the people that are like one-state people, they're they're still having a debate that was settled [ __ ] decades ago. Like the one-staters are it kind of reminds me of like socialism. Like that ship sailed, too. Like it's over. Like socialism lost. Just full stop lost. It was pretty catastrophic in practice. And yet they're still clinging to this like debate that is not really a debate anymore. And that's just how I feel about Zionism, too. It's like, well, you know, I don't really know what the debate is at this point. And the one-staters are just it's it's a level of delusion that is >> [sighs] >> difficult to wrap your head around. Cuz how do you force a state with how do you force a country with nuclear weapons to share borders with people that they've been violently fighting with um for decades. Like how are you going to how are you going to force a country with nuclear weapons to become a political minority?
Like you can't. It's obviously not going to happen. And then on top of that, there's the other obvious argument that neither group wants this. You say you live together, but neither group wants this. The Palestinians don't want that.
The Israelis don't want that. They don't want that. They don't want to share a state. So, why the [ __ ] like what I feel like the conversation should stop right there. You get Hassan a phone.
True. You know what? I didn't think of that. Just hand Hassan a phone and give him the presidency. That That's over in 5 minutes. A lot of these people actually think we need to give America back to the Native Americans, too. I mean, I just don't It's just a silly not serious kind of thing. that out for an argument, but you know, it was Oh, okay, anti- anti-Semitism. So, um I think that Ethan Klein, uh based off of polling that I've seen, is between like that perspective. Uh 40% of people identify as Zionist, where there's some level of expansionist in reference to the state of Israel. Uh I think another like 47% don't identify with the term of Israel, but they support the nation-state's existence. So, if you add those two categories together, it's like between 80 and 87% ex- uh support the existence of the nation-state of Israel.
So, how do you feel about the notion that if you want to evaporate the nation-state of Israel, you're anti-Semitic because you're criticizing something that 87% of Jews believe in?
Yeah, I think it's [ __ ] Okay, I thought I I should tell you [ __ ] your solid I just I think that Yeah, it's all That's not how you determine whether something's anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitic refers to whether it, you know, just because Jews believe something, you disagree with that belief, or you hate that belief, that does not mean that you hate Jews or hate it because it is Jewish, right? That That's what it comes down to when you're determining whether something's anti-Semitic. So, I don't buy the anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism stuff at all. For me, it's not the It's not the label that matters, because I think that the the label anti-Semitic is used >> Was this really a hour-plus conversation about Israel? is too often Let's screw ahead a screw ahead a little bit here.
I've heard you referring to that they are the the jokes that were made about Hutch's sister um as like antisocial and too far. Um I don't know how exactly you feel, but but but to me, that's like within the bounds of what happens online. That is like edgy online. It's a hundred I don't even know what that means, man.
You're You're an adult.
You are grown-up.
What is this logic?
Uh There are people on the line that are the the that are peop- There are people on the internet that are super edgy.
Therefore, what? Like dot dot dot.
Therefore, what are you say Like, because people exist on the internet that say edgy things, you know, you should just You know, you should just be cool with that, you know.
It's not antisocial. Other people on the internet make jokes about people's dead siblings. It just comes with the territory. Like, what are you You're You're a grown-up. What are you talking about?
The internet like is real life. How you conduct yourself on the internet is a reflection of your character.
I don't think there are separate rules for when you're on the internet. You You can't just sanitize the stuff that you say. And to be fair to Kweiman, I don't know how much he's joked about my dead sister and or if he has at all. I don't Maybe he hasn't. I I haven't I haven't seen any clips of that, but I just don't know like, what is this logic? I just don't even I think sometimes you go hard in the paint too hard and might say some things that I disagree with or I think are incorrect, but I don't think you're an unintelligent person. Uh so, I had a feeling that when you started alluding to the aligned interest of E Israel, uh you weren't the Nazi stereotype that you were being portrayed as. So, that That's the reason why I wanted to have this conversation.
Sure. Um I mean, some of that is, you know, I do I am leaning leaning I always want that reaction, you know. I always want Hutch to call me a Nazi. Obviously, I I feel like that may come across like And now listen, I don't know. Is he a little Nazi? I don't know.
It's But, some of his language was like, what are you What are we talking about? There was a It was a lot. Like, we we we reacted to his whole like 45-minute rant. And he's talking about He's basically doing like Zog stuff, pretty unambiguous Zog stuff.
And then at what at one point in his little rant, he's talking about how like the Zionist forces are cracking down on free speech on the internet. And then he even said at one point, um you know, implying or suggesting that >> [clears throat] >> um it was disproportionately targeting um white men. And so, I'm like, I Listen, I don't know what conclusion I'm supposed to draw if you're doing like a 45-minute zog rant and talking about how white men are being targeted. It's just like of course my spidey sense is going to tingle a little bit. I don't know if he's like a little Nazi. I really don't know, but it's like a little suspicious when you put all those pieces together.
It's a little strange. That's Yeah, when these thoughts freak out at at nothing, it's like that's like a good thing to me. That's like the way you should play it. I don't know if you've got any thoughts on that. Well, I think that's an interesting question. So do you want I I I do I've heard you referring to that they are the the jokes that were made about Hutch's sister um as like antisocial and too far. Um I don't know how exactly feel about it, but to me that's like within the bounds of what happens online. That is like edgy online. It's 100% Wait, hold on. Couldn't you use this logic to justify literally saying anything? Couldn't It's just like such such convenient logic. Couldn't you use that to to to sweep for or defend or justify literally anything on the you know, there's like literally nothing out of bounds. If the standard is other people online say this kind of stuff or make those kind of jokes, you could run defense for anything, everything. It's 100% within the bounds of what happens online, but I want to explain something. What does that even mean? Like it's not a conversation about what happens online.
It's a conversation about conduct, behavior. What do I care if like what other people make those kind of jokes online. That's not what's I'm not debating that. Obviously people make edgy jokes online.
It's a question of is that uh acceptable behavior? Is that acceptable behavior like in the culture of whatever groups you're hanging out in? And that I that I think are articulated during that video.
So for me, if I had a I had a was doing that uh I have a couple of I have dogs who have died on me in the past, right? They they were older, they got cancer.
And so if one of my friends wants to be irreverent and he goes, "Lol, you know, Connor's still broken-hearted over his dead dog. What a [ __ ] pussy."
If his job is to like razzle me and you know, hurt my feelings but do it in a way where he's [ __ ] with me but he's kind of telling me he still loves me, no problem. That happens every single [ __ ] day.
But if his intention is to literally get me depressed so I [ __ ] you know, start drinking or myself. Then I'm going to be like, "You know what? I I heard you say this. Yeah, I I don't think that's the intention. I don't think people are trying to make Hutch himself. I don't think that's what people are trying to do at all.
Are you for real?
I'm for real. I don't think people Good luck with that.
Good luck with that. These guys have such a inflated sense of themselves. Well, I guess I mean I don't I guess he's saying that that that's not what they're intending but the fact the fact that that would even be considered like, are you [ __ ] serious, bro? people are trying to make Hutch kill himself. I don't think that's what's happening.
We're trying to I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I don't think that's what's happening. I didn't say 5 minutes later, to be clear.
But But my understanding is these were actually like that message and someone going into his chat were like 2 weeks apart. It was actually 12 days later.
And the the mood in the Discord, there was a poll taken about whether there should be jokes about Hutch's sister and it was 6 and 0 no, [clears throat] there shouldn't be jokes against about Hutch's sister. So at the time, the mood was no, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Now Discarded Sunday with $10.
Thank you for being a normal human in a sea of psychopaths. To me, it's telling that they even had to do a [ __ ] poll.
You know what I mean? Like if you're in a Discord where I guess they're democratizing this kind of strategy, if you have to do a poll of like, should we or should we not make fun of someone's dead sister? Like Like why Well, like why is that even Why is it even coming up, you know? I'm just listen.
I'm just way too I'm just way too [ __ ] boring and normal to understand this. I would I would just never I wouldn't I would just never hang out with people like that. Like being a private Discord with people like that. I would just never I would never. I don't know how to say that name EE with $2.
Imagine Quimon and COD4 lobbies. I mean, I [ __ ] wilded out in COD4 lobbies, to be clear. Yeah, I was like super edgy on the microphone back in the day. So, at the time the mood was no, don't do that.
Don't do that. Don't do that. Now, later on now the Hutch has freaked out about it and Perry made this video where he's talking about turning Hutch's sister into a desk. Yes, it's become it's become almost funny in retrospect because there has been this freakout over it. That and that becomes the joke.
That becomes Okay, what I'm When I freak out, it's going to look a lot different than that.
If that's me freaking out, the way that I reacted to that, if that's considered a freak out, I would say I'm a pretty well-rounded human being who has more control over their emotions than most people. When the [ __ ] did I freak out over this? I'm not going to buy, okay, what what I'm not going to buy is that you are harassing. You are harassing, I guess.
Somebody is harassing Hutch out of love.
I don't think the the person who jumped into the >> But why does it Why does it have to be either trying to make him kill himself?
People don't like him. They're ripping on him and trying to make funny jokes about him that like really make him look bad or hurt his feelings because they I think just a sneaking suspicion here. I think you guys are making yourselves look bad and it's getting worse by like doubling and tripling down.
Um Luna with 20 Canadian.
I had a friend who had a terminal illness and I would joke about his death all the time. He appreciated how I wasn't ignoring his illness and made light of it. It made him happy in his final years. No, yeah, morbid humor.
There are contexts where it could be uh healing.
So, I'm not saying it's never okay to make jokes about morbid stuff, like death. [snorts] But, the context is like really important, you know, if your intention is to try to trigger someone and be cruel, then that's a very different context than like, you know, joking about cancer with somebody that you know that maybe has terminal cancer, where it could be appropriate and even loving, paradoxically.
Uh Bad company with $5. It's weird cuz these jokes only come came up because these people see you as close to Destiny.
That's the reason they feel justified in doing it. That's the real psychotic delusion here. I don't I I don't even like doing this anymore because I feel like it plays into their attacks, but how many direct conversations have I had with Destiny in the last like year and a half? Four, maybe? Um his name has come up, especially uh in like recent times, his name has come up, but that kind of makes sense. It's the same thing like Hassan's name comes up because he's the biggest left-wing streamer? Who's a bigger left-wing streamer in terms of live viewership?
I think he's number one. So, the stuff that Hassan says drives news cycles or content cycles. And similarly, Destiny's been one of the most relevant left-wing swinger streamers in the space for eight or nine years? And then on top of that, I agree mostly with Destiny's politics. There are some differences, obviously. Some There are There are some fundamental differences. I was fighting with DGG like 2 months ago. I mean fighting. They were calling me like a white moderate.
They were doing the lefty white moderate charge because I said I was opposed I don't want to Let's not rehash it. That's not important.
Let's not rehash it, but I think I've had maybe four or five direct conversations and there's like a couple other things. Like the first one is that I like being on an island. It took me a while to settle into streaming and get used to that, but I like I like being kind of mostly solo.
And Destiny has like his level of edginess is beyond my threshold. Like he he's way more edgy than I am.
And so I cover a lot of Destiny content and we have conversations, but it's never been a like I've never been I've never been attached to the at the hip to Destiny ever. It's not a moral judgment, it's just a preference.
There's a There's a price that you pay for too much edginess and I don't really want that. You know, I I don't invite that kind of scrutiny, I guess, the way that he does. Why do we do this talk every stream? Yeah, you're It comes up a lot. It's just We're having the conversation now. But this This was a conversation about like their whole thing is like they were pressing me by calling me an orbiter and that's just never been true. Peter Razor, sorry, I didn't read that all the way. The furniture comes from Chibireviews, a person who uses his dead brother as a prop to see free speech to justify free speech for lolly shadman and drawn cheese pizza. What is that sentence?
Am I supposed to understand that sentence?
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I sat like I I feel like I'm reading the insane ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic. I don't know what any of that means. But that is not trying to make him kill himself. That's like the idea What are Hutch's sins?
Hutch's sins. Well, Hutch's sins Hutch, I really I really do dislike Hutch and Wig. I'm going to be I think I have perfectly valid reasons. I think, you know, if you really had your eyes open, you'd see them, too. They're both very dishonest and very stupid.
It's like and they get given way too much grace. So, hold on. Doobie says, and I don't agree with him on this at all, that Hutch was lying about Ogre Boy jumping into the Discord to check if people were harassing his dead sister.
That That's what he said. He was.
I don't know. Maybe Ogre Boy deluded himself into thinking that he, you know, said things.
Ogre Boy's recollection of events in the Snarker Discord was that somebody was spamming stuff about my dead sister in the live and learn chat.
He was at work. He started getting messages accusing him of doing it, which I never thought I I never thought he was the one to do that. I mean, I think Ogre Boy is kind of obsessed and pathetic, but I I don't think he's He's I never thought it was him. It never even entered my mind.
Like, I don't think he's that unhinged.
But I guess he was getting messages accusing him of being the one of making those jokes. And so, then he said that he you know, he messaged Peace Go to let Peace Go know that it wasn't him. And then he went into the Discord.
And the way that Ogre Boy described it, he went into the Discord and was like, "Nobody It better not be any of you guys in here that are doing that.
That's not okay. That just did not happen. Just did not happen. That is just a full-on fabrication of and of his own making.
Like it just did like he he was very sheepish.
Hey, so uh is anyone in here doing that?
And then uh the guy the guy the server mod who 10 days prior had said that my sister was fair game. The server mod was like uh said something like it's an obvious psyop, which I took to be sarcasm.
Like I just fully think it was that guy who was doing it, you know. I think it's a fair fair way to connect the dots. A server mod in the Snarker Discord says my sis my dead sister is fair game, and then 10 days later I'm getting people spamming my chat, Livin' Learn chat, other people's chat.
Pretty fair assumption it's probably that guy. And that guy tells Ogre Boy, oh this is an obvious psyop. Like I would I was doing it. Like I was spamming jokes about my dead sister.
This was before the Snarker Discord people even knew that it existed. So I don't even know how to make sense of that. Uh but then Ogre Boy also asked um you know he referenced some tweet about my sister that I don't I don't remember what tweet that he's like, well who made that tweet about his sister?
And then he got an answer to that question. Like somebody answered his question. And but at no point did Ogre Boy say like discourage people from doing this behavior.
At no point. He's just lying about that.
that uh Hutch was not at all eyes open you'd see too. They're both very dishonest and very stupid. But it's like And and they get what is the way too much grace. So hold on. Dooby says, and I don't agree with him on this at all, that Hutch was lying about Ogre Boy jumping into the Discord to check if people were harassing his dead sister.
That that's what he said. That uh Hutch was knowingly lying. But what I >> No, he jumped into the Discord to to to ask if anyone was doing it, but at no point did he discourage the behavior.
He's just lying about that. I got from the same piece of content which I probably watched twice uh because I actually really liked uh Hush being vulnerable and sharing stuff about his sister. And And if I'm lying about it, just why don't they just release the logs of that particular exchange? Just release them themselves if I'm lying about this stuff.
Prove me wrong. It would make me It would make me look like such a liar if you just release them yourselves, right?
Like you have them. You can release them, right? What I got from that was he was saying that Ogre Boy made it sound like he jumped into the Discord on a tear and was like, >> Yeah. "You guys better not be [ __ ] doing this."
>> Yeah. Right? But if you look at what was actually sent in the Discord, it's a very neutral statement.
>> I I I I I I wouldn't point to that. I wouldn't point to that as an example at all. Okay, so so what is >> Okay, so I'm not lying about that.
That's Kweiman saying I'm not lying about that. Not so confusing.
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Choose one. Ooh, interesting. So, what else is Hush lying about?
So, there's there's a very clear example. I I I don't you know, I I'm reticent to use this one cuz I don't want to make it the the anti-Destiny circle jerk that everyone expects it to be. Um but that there's the very >> Uh of course.
Uh of course.
Of course his principal opposition to me has to do with Destiny. It's just so psychotic. obvious one is Hush initially takes a very strong moral stance about what Destiny did with the picture stuff.
That's what happens when it first breaks. Later on, he makes a statement saying he's seen new details in the case that make it all a lot more gray, then denies he said that, and That's not But that's not what I said. I didn't say that.
I take issue with the way that he's framing it.
I think like even they would have to concede, right? That more information came out during the trial that painted like some particular things. Like it added some question marks.
And I still haven't had like, I would say like answers to a lot of these questions.
But there was a certain way that what happened with like the Pixie stuff.
There was a certain way that it was presented early on that some of the of the transcripts and things that have come out of that trial have added some question marks. I still have issues with some of Steven's decisions. I eventually did reach out and communicate directly to him because it had it had become such a thing that I just directly told him. I was like, here are the issues that I have with like with your behavior and stuff that's been out there and like in the public. And I'm not going to divulge like his reaction to that cuz it's a private conversation, but it was like brief and it's more just like I think it's it's a eminently defensible position to say that you want to wait for more information to come out during the trial.
You know, I can have issues with Destiny's behavior and also at the same time want to give someone like a fair shot of okay, if there's more information that I'm unaware of that's fine. But even then, I didn't immediately reach out to Destiny and try to reconnect or whatever. If I if I was really trying to clout shark shark off of Destiny don't you think I would be making like way more of an effort to hop up on his stream regularly and be a regular part of the like content?
Like it's just so obvious that I'm not making a big effort to attach myself at the hip to Destiny.
It's just so obvious. I have perms in his Discord. I can jump in his Discord every time he's live if I wanted to.
And it rarely happens. Why do you think that is? Basically says all that all he said was a statement about how um oh I was I was an addict. I understand people can can change and do bad things when they're in a state of addiction and all this sort of stuff. But that's not that wasn't all that he said. He made a specific statement that things had changed in the case, which I don't understand what could have changed in the case that would change your moral analysis. Really? Like is Kman sitting here saying that he's learned nothing new from this case that maybe wasn't quite as what was presented like very very early on. Would he would he even he say that? Surely he would acknowledge. Um and as far as like forgiving people I I like listen like like it's not I'm not it's not up to me to like forgive Destiny for stuff. It's more about giving grace to people and that is true. I'm not making that up. I I have I'm a drug drug addict in recovery who has who has been around on and off recovery spaces for like 10 years and anybody who has been in those spaces understands that grace is like a big part of like you learn to not judge people as much.
You hear people talk very honestly and openly about the mistakes that that they've made. And when you're hanging out with a bunch of drug addicts in recovery bro, you hear people in meetings talking about hitting their wives, stealing from their like dying parents. Maybe they hit someone with their car when they were drinking. I mean just the most gnarly things that people do in recovery and then those people become your friends.
Like you watch these people commit to a spiritual path and and actively like work to try to be better people and make amends. It's like a big part of recovery and so you know, when I when I first came out and and and made a statement about um what what's what Steven had done or what was being alleged that he he had done.
The Pixie stuff.
Like that wasn't me saying, "I condemn this person to exile." You know what I mean? Like there's a I've never worked that way. I would never like permanently close a door with someone. Why would I do that when I've seen so many people make mistakes and then go on to like live better lives. Like that was the point that I was making and I just I don't think people like Creaman understand that because I just I think his life is probably very small if I just if I had to guess. I don't know what this guy's daily life is like, but when I try to imagine it, it's kind of depressing.
But I've lived a very full life. I've known a lot of I've known a lot of people. I've I've become close with a lot of people.
And so I just I know so many stories of people that have have hit just like rock [ __ ] bottom. And uh, I don't I genuinely I don't rush to judgment. I don't rush to morally judging people. I don't operate that way anymore. You It's It's hard to do that when you're in recovery and you make friends with people and you see you just you just I just assume that everybody [ __ ] up in their life.
Everybody. And I know that I've [ __ ] up in my life. I've done very more morally questionable things uh, and I beat myself up for those things for like years.
The shame and guilt and embarrassment and I don't do that with myself anymore and so because like I learned patience with myself, I have like patience for other people. Like I don't I don't make it a habit of morally judging a lot of people. I can judge actions, but I I don't I I tend to avoid making moral statements about someone's entire character, especially if I don't know them that well. Oh, Elite Memes with $5.
Some people struggle to see even their own loved ones as human. My parents were addicts and a big part of therapy for me was having empathy for them.
Uh I didn't have like so my parents weren't addicts, but a big part of my evolution was accepting I'll say this, I'm at a point in my life now where when I look back on my childhood um I can confidently say that I believe that my parents did the [ __ ] best that they could with the tools that they had. And I I didn't always have that kind of attitude.
But once I got that, so it was such a weight re- that that was off my shoulders at that point. Once I was able to accept more accept my parents for like who they are and whatever issues I have with like the way that they raised me, like once a lot of that resentment went away, it's just it's so [ __ ] freeing. It no longer defines you. Like I don't know if my story is all that different. We're getting pretty [ __ ] deep here. We're going deep with it today.
I don't know if my experience is common, but so much of my identity for so long in my life was just straight up me rebelling against my dad. I didn't understand that at the time, but looking back it's so obvious. Even well after I moved out was like rebelling against my dad.
And it was [ __ ] exhausting. Hutch is literally Jesus.
Now you're balder than him. True. Once you get to a place where you're not defining yourself in that kind of way, you actually get to be more authentic. I don't know how to explain it, but yeah. That's like a clear point where I feel like he just he just lied.
He just lied and it was just because he didn't want to get hate for the association. You know, I don't I don't care about the association in and of itself, but you got to be you got to be real about it. Don't Don't take the strong moral line and then explain everything to explain why it's changed.
That's that's [ __ ] I did explain. I just, you know, you didn't really uh I got I just didn't listen, I guess. I don't know.
>> That's nice, baby.
>> The Okay, so the reason why I'm sympathetic to Hutch and I wouldn't accuse him of a lie of commission unless I actually had the specific things was because in you were and Lav and Mr. Girl and a shitload of other people were a >> One of the strong denunciations. What's that?
One of the strong denunciations. Is that what you were going to say?
>> Yes. That that that's uh that's a polite way to put it.
Um >> So, these guys are driven by an agenda, which is why you shouldn't take them seriously. I I And I I did. I I I I look back and I I'm like, why the [ __ ] did I ever give these people the time of day? Like when they would attack me over I felt the need to to defend myself and try to present like logical arguments. And then I was having a conversation with that teeny tiny Tony guy at one point and it and it just occurred to me in that conversation what I I asked myself I finally asked myself like, what am I doing? Why am I lending credence to this um They're I don't think these people are motivated by a wanting justice for Pixie or for people that Destiny's hurt.
Like the Pixie stuff is just a proxy for them. The level of obsession that they show makes that just apparent. They don't care about this case. They don't care about like the people involved.
It's just a blunt instrument to attack people with. That's it. That's all it is. Um Bad Company with $10, that's the difference between Snarkers and DGG. You won't get docs for not totally absolving Destiny's behavior, but you have not been but you have been docs because you didn't condemn him hard enough.
Literally.
Literally, people came after me because they [ __ ] hate Destiny and they delusionally convinced themselves that it was justified. It's delusional to say that I was like cloud sharking Destiny or trying to orbit him. It's just fully delusional.
Like you can't There's not even There's no argument you can make. When I asked Katerino uh like me and him were supposed to have a conversation and then I got docs before we even had the conversation and then I decided, "You know what? I'm not going to dip my toes in those." And I didn't know anything about Katerino. I didn't know anything about him.
And so I reached out to him. I was like, "I I'm I'm going to pass on talking to you. I'm already getting docs. This is [ __ ] toxic. I'll pass.
You could help me out by like telling your telling your audience that I'm not like a Destiny orbiter and never have been."
And he was like, "Well, I can't do that.
That would be a lie." And I was like, "Excuse me?" I was like, "How would you justify that?" And he said I make Here's These are his exact words. I can pull up the DMs actually. Hang on. His exact words were incredible. Oh, I don't know.
Maybe I don't have the thread anymore.
Uh it doesn't matter. Here's what he Here's what he says me. He said, "You make Destiny-adjacent content." And And this was at a time when I hadn't even I hadn't even had a conversation with Destiny again at this point. This was This was still during the time when I hadn't even talked to Destiny since all the like the Pixie stuff bro um popped off. Did he mean just like liberal? Like I didn't talk about Destiny particularly very often at the time that all this was going on.
He said I make Destiny-adjacent content.
And that was his justification to call me a Destiny orbiter.
And at that point I was like, "What What the [ __ ] is What is going on with these people?" Yeah. And within 72 hours of the January 20th, 2020 five drama, there were there was a huge wave of anger in order for creators to distance themselves from Steven.
And uh I think I told you to go [ __ ] yourself. That was fun. I think I said So I again I have to push back that I'm not I don't say people have to dissociate. Things I say are that if you have standards for association that you've laid out, you should stick to them or actually articulate why they've changed other than you just not sticking to them out of self-interest. But, that's that's the first thing. Okay, hold on. Hold on. Let Let me ask you a question.
What is worse?
>> Last one with $5, when someone says you make Destiny-adjacent content, just take the compliment. Destiny-adjacent content.
Truly, and at this time, if I recall correctly, I wasn't covering Destiny like at all. He's been coming up a lot recently because of the Snarker drama, and you know, he he would make like appearances on like Piers Morgan and stuff like that. But, at the time I was not covering him like at all.
Or barely, if I if I remember right.
Destiny-adjacent content. Okay, liberal?
Are we talking about liberal? Being a liberal?
>> [laughter] >> Uh what is worse?
Sharing homemade with out consent and allegedly audio recording sexual encounters that were consensual, but without the consent of the other parties, or being a lolicon Uh the first one.
The first one is worse?
>> Wait. If a lolicon only looks at lolicon, but is a lolicon, is that what you're saying? Yeah, sure. Uh what what do you call it? Um What was that word where it was like a You have a virtuous The virtuous Yeah, yeah. Which one's worse? The virtuous I would say I would say the one who actually does >> The virtuous The first one who actually does the lawful deed. The first one who actually does the lawful act, it would be the first one. It would be the first one to me.
Okay.
That's fine.
>> [laughter] >> So, fair So, yeah, food shops is not as bad as Destiny in my in my world view.
Really?
Yeah, food shops is not as bad as Destiny. Also, food shops has less agency. She's like legit disabled. It's like you know. Oh, wait. Sorry. That might be really funny. Can you say Can you say that again? What you said she does have agency or doesn't have agency?
>> It does doesn't have a lot of agency.
No. No. Okay.
So So you just think she's like a a leaf blowing in the wind. She just go Should we Should we skip to when Destiny joins?
Yeah, there he is right there. Okay. I feel like I'm missing a bunch of context. Should I maybe Maybe 20 minutes before he joins? Why don't we do that?
Okay. Uh Cherry was uh institutionalized, right? Like she was in the psych ward. How the [ __ ] is she able >> Wait, Food Shops is in this call, too?
Uh like what What time did this This happened yesterday? 15 hours ago. How many Who else is on the call? We got Wick. Who Who are these other people?
Are these snarkers? Well, it's two consent.
Like wouldn't she be more susceptible >> or afterwards? Uh does it even [ __ ] matter? Hello?
>> Yeah. Do you Do you think Do you think if somebody is temporarily mentally incapacitated they're permanently mentally incapacitated?
Do you Okay. Okay. Do you think that >> answer that question. Do you think if somebody's temporarily mentally incapacitated they're permanently mentally incapacitated? Can I No. No.
Now, let me explain.
>> Obviously not.
>> So if if Okay. So if Cherry >> this specifically?
Because she Because she wants to [ __ ] say that J Soc is equivalent to a [ __ ] which makes her not the cartoon kids, okay?
Can I just say if this is going to just be like uh Connor's beef with Food Shops, I have no Wait. Was this a Wick panel?
Or was it just Wick on the call?
Interest, but I do want to talk >> Destiny Destiny's coming in like I think 10 minutes from now cuz he's like that was the whole reason why I was organizing. We're just kind of like killing time until he gets here. I understand, but I I wanted >> Connor is so [ __ ] dude. He is the one comparing lolly to actual is so crazy. That's so insane. But yeah. Go ahead.
Bad horse with the tier one membership.
Thank you. You're so You're so warm. the kids, you [ __ ] freak. I don't even know why they tolerate you being a demon.
I mean [ __ ] in 5 or 10 minutes.
>> I wanted to just if I may. Goadge with $10 the snark tour boiled boiled down to Connor wanting to get the snarkers down on paper um that they individually don't didn't do any doxing or anything bad so that when the manifesto drops they can be held to account. Got you. If I may. Like the counterpoints.
Um Connor. What?
>> Buddy.
I understand that you feel >> He's afraid. He's 100% afraid. No, I felt this way for a year. I [laughter] I know I get it. I get it.
>> this way the entire time. I think you're [ __ ] disgusting and the fact that you don't you haven't changed your mind and whenever somebody brings up the fact that you [ __ ] jerk off the cartoon kids you just go oh I said that a long time. You think people don't notice? You think people don't notice that you don't rebut the fact that you still engage with lolly con but you [ __ ] said oh I said this a long time. You think people don't [ __ ] notice that you're a [ __ ] Joe? No, I'll I'll think of you instead.
>> That would Jesus Christ. Annadelive, thank you so much for the primer. Well, I'm an adult man so that would be a step in the right direction.
Hell yeah. See, that's what I'm talking about. See, done. Topic on, right? You won't bring this up again. Okay, you should not.
>> No, I will bring it up. I will bring it up. I'm going to bring this up. I'll jerk off. I'll jerk off to you instead.
Okay, it's okay. That is a upgrade.
Hell yeah. See, that's what I'm talking about. That's an upgrade right there.
Yes, you should jerk off to adults if you're an adult. Wait, let's let's let's let Wicks speak. Let's let Wicks speak.
Wicks, speak your mind. I get it, Connor. I do. I think yesterday went Yesterday didn't have to go how it did.
There was a path and I think that there was a way for everyone to win but and I get why. I think that you you let kind of your stubbornness, uh your your just you your feeling of being attacked and under pressure kind of get you to make decisions that I think that you didn't have to make. I Yeah, he was crashing out. Well, hold on. I I want to be fair to counterpoints because I I Doyt with the fiber, why does Connor hold this personal involvement standard for snarkers but Trump was culpable for January 6th? I do sympathize, right?
Like and I I talked to you before everything happened. Like the first time I hopped on and and I I thought it went well. Like, "Hey, I get it. You don't want to compromise your principles. Um fair enough. Uh but look, there is a mass amounts of people attacking someone that you consider a friend. Coming at them like way beyond just like a making fun of him or critical of his takes and things like PBS Spacetime is good.
That's the good stuff. Yeah. Trying to ruin his life. So, he asked you a favor, right? He asked you a favor like, "Hey, I don't want these people in communities connected to me." Now, I get it. You don't want to ban anyone for that. And you know what? I was able to talk to him the day before and get a compromise as well. Like, "Hey, I don't want to ban people that No, that's too high. just for for saying things, right?
>> that. You guys are just going to have to Like so, I don't I don't know why you guys didn't go that route. Like, why not? What happened?
Because I'm not going to accept the implicit threat of what's being said.
It's not an implicit threat. That one it is a favor. You know [ __ ] that. You know full god damn well as much as I [ __ ] do. Mutant so much as confirmed it that the simple ask of don't allow snarkers in your community in order to endlessly [ __ ] [ __ ] talk me. It never happened in my [ __ ] community. There's no [ __ ] evidence that it ever [ __ ] happened in my community. You're making this [ __ ] up [ __ ] whole cloth. And so, the implication is kick these two people from your [ __ ] community or else we don't hang out anymore. I've been [ __ ] hanging out with Steven for six god damn SCA. Yeah. Is it C or SCA?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another good channel. I deserve more than that. And if he doesn't [ __ ] like it, then he can [ __ ] off.
Sorry, what was funny?
What? No, it's just funny that you're talking to the person who drew the cartoon kids who shouldn't have a career at all.
Look, there were paths where you didn't have to kick anyone out. I understand that it was that you feel that it was a I don't hang out in the cog so I can't speak either way to whether it's true or not, right? It doesn't matter. Um but there were like even giving him the chance to kind of come in, check every once in a while, see what's going on. He's not the police. He's not but he's your friend, bro.
Yeah, and my [ __ ] friend should have the [ __ ] balls to allow people to talk [ __ ] about him on the [ __ ] internet. Or if he's going to say, "These people are engaging in a life ruination campaign against me." then they should be able to produce evidence.
And if they don't produce evidence, I'm going to tell them I'm telling you you think yesterday was bad? I'm tired now.
I just talked to the [ __ ] Snarkers for 6 hours. It's going to be bad tonight. Okay? Because I'm not going to [ __ ] have this [ __ ] where he's going, "Oh, these two people are bad.
Remove them from your community."
>> It's not that they're talking [ __ ] If they were just talking [ __ ] I doubt that this would be an issue.
But beyond just like a bunch of people getting together and talking [ __ ] you know. Okay, can you produce evidence that these two people are bad? Nope, you just have to trust me. [ __ ] you.
>> produce evidence. You may not have found it sufficient, but that evidence exists.
I can confirm some of it exists. So, so did Duby dox you? Or not. Did Duby dox you?
I just want to run my mouth.
>> all connected. It's like a cult.
Did Duby dox Destiny?
The The reason why I'm asking So, you have you have like a videotape sermon of Des of Duby being an ISIS proselytizer.
Okay, so so go ahead and please give me that.
He's like a protagonist, dude.
Yeah, you just said that he's a protagonist. So, do you have Do you have the video or extended text messages of the propagandist proselytizing?
What did Duby say that you think is incorrect?
The way that he kind of moral frogs about Steven, mind [ __ ] literally every single woman that comes his way.
What are you talking about? Like he's using your platform to do it. Sorry.
Does Steven not [ __ ] mentally ill women routinely? Wait, wait. Who What is it?
You realize hold on. Let's Let's run this real quick, okay? Because these things have gone on for way too long.
What is our strongest example of this?
Strongest example? Yeah. How about Britt?
I'd never met this person in real life in my entire life. Yeah, are you communicating with them right now?
They tried to add me on 50 million different accounts, but right now, no, I am not. Yeah, I know you are.
Okay, I'm literally not.
I bet that I could pull up their private now. I bet that they probably have a thing saying, "Please add me again."
Steven But you said you said I [ __ ] mentally ill women. Who What is the strongest go-to example of [ __ ] mentally ill women? Cherry.
An0war.
Okay. Let's start with Cherry. Let Cherry Let's start with Hold on.
Hold on. Lauren Southern. No, no, no.
Okay, hold on. Are Wait, are all those people in the same category of mental illness to you? No, Lauren Southern is substantially more stable than the rest of the women.
Do you think Molina was mentally ill? I think Molina is substantially more stable than the rest of them.
Oh.
Wait, then why'd you bring him up? Okay.
Let's say that Cherry um is mentally ill. I think I would probably agree with that. I think as a result of her being mental, I think I curved her for like two plus years. Um she seemed to be fine with rolling through whatever and wanted to make content or whatever. It was something I was aware of. We talked about it. I think she me too'd me like two times before. It was just what it was. Let's assume that I shouldn't have seen her the third time, okay? By the way, the second time she outed me was cuz I didn't want to hang out with her, but that's fine. Let's assume that I um Let's assume that I shouldn't have seen her the third time.
You acknowledge that Jsticles' behavior is at least like three orders of magnitude worse than whatever I have done with Cherry.
Why? Because he institutionalized her?
Because he institutionalized her for 3 days.
And then What if she was threatening suicide? Let's go ahead and slow down and explore that. What if she said, "Fuck you, Jstock. I'm going to commit suicide." Do you think he should have institutionalized her?
>> Oh, wait, hold on. You gave me the timestamps for the F bombs. Hold on. One of them is coming up in 12 minutes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you think that bringing her on his stream for 6 months afterwards to do content for him that was the direct thing that was causing her to go crazy was an unbelievably insane thing to do?
>> Why Why are we even talking about Jidion? My contention is No.
>> 70% of your [ __ ] problems are because you [ __ ] crazy women.
70% of your [ __ ] problems are because you [ __ ] crazy women.
>> to re-ask the same I don't love the framing.
I'm going to tone police a little bit here. I don't love the framing. The I don't love it. I I don't I So, I don't know [ __ ] anything about any like I What I know of the Pixie stuff is is what's out there in the open. I don't know any of the backstory with like Lauren Southern or Cherry or whoever else he mentioned here.
But uh I don't love the framing of like two men having a conversation about like if you are Like I I'm I'm using Connor's framing here.
If you are consistently choosing romantic or sexual partners that are unstable, like you are a big part of that equation.
Do you know what I mean? So, I I don't like the tone of like blaming blaming problems on like the crazy women that you've hooked up with. It's like, "Well, wait a second. You're kind of a factor in this, you know?" question you just tried to run from that so hard.
>> running from [ __ ] Jidion's Even if Jidion's worse than you. Let's say Jidion's a [ __ ] racist. What does that have to do with you?
If if that's what you want to >> Jidion's a racist. Okay. What does that do about you? No, no, no. No, that's fine. As long as you acknowledge Jidion is a racist. That's fine. Okay.
Um Who's the next So, beyond Cherry, who is an adult, by the way, and is married, by the way, and can also make decisions Wait, is Doobie in my chat right now?
Or is he in the Discord call?
by the way, right? You acknowledge all these things, right?
>> Yeah, that's why I'm not a snarker. It's because I think they have agency, too.
Okay. Do you think there's like a moral wrong in the two of us having sex consensually with one another?
I think if you know that it's going to [ __ ] implode at some point, you should [ __ ] learn your lesson.
That's nice dodge, [ __ ] Let me ask you again. Do you think it's a moral wrong for me and Cherry to hook up with each other?
Yes.
Why?
Wait, is this the Doobie? Is this the Doobie? Are you in my chat? I don't want your money. It's going to cost a lot more, okay? If you want me on your side, multiple thousands. Probably five digits minimum.
Connor thinks all women are chosen. You already know.
Because you already know through your sexual history that what's going to happen is you're going to be too aloof, you're going to be too gone, and if these women have [ __ ] underlying [ __ ] mental issues, you're going to trigger the [ __ ] out of them, and then you're going to have to fight them off of you.
Okay, so is it immoral for anybody to hook up with Cherry or just streamers or just me? You just Let's just go to Britt. It's the easiest one. It's the most recent.
>> about Cherry. I want to talk about Cherry right now.
Okay, are you talking about Sherry?
The c h a e i r y, the half-black chick?
Who have we been talking about? I don't [ __ ] know. There's trans Cherry.
Maybe you had sex with trans Cherry, too. I don't know. Who have you been talking about the whole time? I've probably been talking about Sherry.
That's who I've been talking about, yes.
Okay.
You just pronounced it weird.
Okay, what about it? People call it Cherry. So, I'm just curious, is it immoral or unethical for Cherry to hook up with anybody or Uh somebody who should somebody who's ready to deal with her [ __ ] insanity.
I I don't know what kind of answer that is. So, is it immoral for Cherry to hook up with Who who would be an example of somebody ready to hook up with her or and deal with her insanity? What does that even mean? Okay, hold on. So so let let me go ahead and ask the exact same question back to you.
There's a woman who's married It's not that I I don't know. I feel I feel a little I feel a little weird um unpacking the Cherry stuff. I don't I don't know a lot about I don't know if she's ever gotten like an official diagnosis or something like that, but it's not that it's unethical to have a romantic or sexual relationship with someone who has a diagnosable mental illness. Um what would be I think like morally or ethically questionable or dubious or bad would be to exploit someone who's in a state of psychosis or exploit someone who's in a vulnerable state. Like if somebody is receiving treatment for their for their diagnosis um or if you're unaware of a diagnosis, then obviously that changes things. But what what would I think be bad is if you know that someone is in a mentally vulnerable place.
Uh through no fault of their own. You know, mental illness is uh you don't you don't control if you have if you were genetically predisposed for something like that or if it happened because of a [ __ ] brain injury or something, you know.
That's when it becomes a questionable.
But I had yeah, I had undiagnosed bipolar for [ __ ] 20 years, but no I didn't know that I was bipolar. The people that I was romantically involved with didn't know that I was bipolar. They weren't they weren't like taking advantage of me or anything, you know.
She's claimed she's in an open relationship. She just had a miscarriage and she's obsessed with you. Should you have sex with her?
Probably not, but by the time she >> What was the question there? and deal with her and say, "What's that even mean?" Okay, hold on. So so let let me go ahead and ask the exact same question back to you.
There's a woman who's married.
She's claimed she's in an open relationship. She just had a miscarriage and she's obsessed with you. Should you have sex with her?
Probably not, but by the time she said that she was obsessed >> right?
Not after she said she was obsessed with me. No.
Okay.
That was the thing she said after she left.
But let's assume No, we don't actually I'm not going to assume. Why the [ __ ] does any of this matter?
It matters because you No, no, no, no, no, no, I can articulate this to you perfectly.
Okay.
If you wake up and you meet a [ __ ] [ __ ] that's a [ __ ] you know, whatever, that's like >> Can we not do the platitudes and the slogans? Yeah, >> a bad day. You Everyone's a [ __ ] [ __ ] you're the [ __ ] You're the [ __ ] Connor, if I've Let's assume, for the sake of argument, I've hooked up with 200 plus women and it's the same two that people like you who obsess over my sex life, for whatever reason, always bring up.
Like Why?
Like nothing between me and Cherry was like he this person or the his treatment of her was [ __ ] terrible.
>> You want to play this game, let's play this game. When did you meet Britt?
I've never met this person in real life before. Okay, when did you meet her digitally?
I don't remember. I'm not going to dig through here and have you audit the [ __ ] lives of people who [ __ ] DM me crazy [ __ ] on Discord though. This is not relevant to the conversation. And this is a new person >> relevant to the conversation, isn't it?
This is a new person that you want to attack me with, Connor, but it has nothing to do with the reason why you've obsessed psychosexually over my sex life for the past like three [ __ ] years.
Preal done with $5. It's ridiculous how convoluted this has gone. We went from is it okay for a community of people to constantly A-list doc, SWAT, etc. an individual to this.
I mean, uh just to push back a little bit here, uh you know, to a certain degree I think Destiny brings this on himself.
Scrutiny, he has it's it's hard to make a like firm judgment because I don't I never paid attention to any of his like any of the stories about his romantic life. I never had any interest in any of that. The the the times that I would engage with Destiny's content was like around politics stuff or drama that had nothing to do with his personal life. I just didn't care. And so I just don't know like I don't know anything about like the Cherry arc or who this Britt person is or any of that, but Destiny is very very talks very openly about his relationships.
Um that doesn't necessarily mean that it makes sense for someone like Connor to obsess or if that I don't know if that's what he's doing, but if that's what he's doing.
But, you know, I I question talking about your personal life that much. Like it's just not something that I would do. At least You know why?
Because you are reaping what you've sown. You are reaping what you've sown and you haven't learned your lesson and it sucks.
Okay, in my current court case drama Maddy with $5 We need to out-donate Doobie. Who What is the What What is the sown part? What did I sow here?
Was it Pixie?
Yes.
Okay, so why was it immoral for me to have sex with Pixie? Or was it immoral or was it both?
>> for you to have sex with Pixie. It was immoral for you to take her [ __ ] homemade pornography and send it to somebody that you'd only known for 10 days.
>> Adrian with $5. Cheers. Okay, so it was immoral >> Obviously.
>> for us So it was immoral for us to record something or it was immoral for us to trade it or what?
>> for you to trust somebody you've never met after 10 days with homemade pornography of your friends. Let's assume that's the case, then why did >> This is kind of wild for this conversation to be happening.
Like during an ongoing court case.
This is kind of nuts, right?
Wouldn't Like would Destiny's lawyers advise him to not have this conver- Like this is kind of crazy to have this public conversation?
Uh Like while this is going on. Assume that THAT'S TRUE TO ANYBODY WITH A [ __ ] brain. Connor, then why did Pixie okay it to share with a woman she's never even met in her life?
Destiny Biggest Gabe Gabe Real with $5. Destiny has said over the last few years that he's been a lot more private about it.
Even so, it gets dragged out now anyways.
Well, I would I'd think that's a good decision. I support that decision. Like like I shared a lot about my romantic stuff in the past.
Not as much as Destiny, but I uh through my own experiences, now I don't do that as much. I talk about asme stuff, but not We I don't talk about like what we fight about or like personal stuff, private stuff, you know?
Um I was way more open before, but not not as open as as a Destiny. I wasn't in a polycule. That's not something I ever tried.
When I'm I'm not talking about everybody else. I'm talking about you.
>> me and Motoki.
>> I'm talking about you. Connor, if me and Okay, hold on. Do you think that Pixie deserved it then? Did she reap what she sowed? Yes, she's a dumb [ __ ] She shouldn't have [ __ ] Ew.
Uh Jen, thank you, Jen. You shot homemade pornography with you.
>> Okay. This conversation is [ __ ] gross. Uh Kyle with $10. How the [ __ ] are people still swatting Destiny's relatives?
And this is what they are choosing to put focus on.
It's not apparent what's going on here, question mark? Rice with 5 lbs, you Wicken Moot seem like the only people with sane takes on this drama.
Oh, a lot of I just This is a crazy conversation to have on a live stream, bro. This is like fully unhinged. I got to keep track of the timestamps.
5:34 is the first Fsler. I need to keep an eye on that. Is every single person who shoots homemade and have it leaked, are they all reaping what they've sown?
Destiny, how about this question? Do you think it's smart to send homemade pornography to somebody you've only known for 10 days? Adrian, thank you.
No, no, no, no. Answer that question. Do you think IT'S PRUDENT?
DO YOU THINK IT'S PRUDENT to send homemade pornography to somebody when you've only known them for 10 days, yes or no?
Sure, Connor. That was the behavior that everybody Wait, you're saying yes, it is prudent?
Connor, why does this matter?
Why does this matter? BECAUSE THIS [ __ ] HAS TORCHED endless professional opportunities for his [ __ ] [ __ ] coomie. That's why that's [ __ ] matters. recommendations from you, you [ __ ] [ __ ] I think I'm doing okay professionally. I don't need recommendations from you for how to run my life, number one. Number two, >> Yes, you do, you dumb [ __ ] because you keep burning your own life. Number two, I'm not the one >> You need a [ __ ] social worker. Holy [ __ ] you're so ass pained over your sexual obsession with my life.
No, I'm not, YOU [ __ ] OKAY, FINE.
[ __ ] THIS. SHUT UP. SHUT UP. I'll just say it. I'll just say it.
After you leaked homemade pornography, after the entire internet hated you, you started sexting with another woman on Discord.
And you [ __ ] did age-play with Wait.
I am a little confused. How did this come up again? If it's like the conversation about the snarky people, why did this come up again?
with this [ __ ] And, SHE WAS MARRIED TO SOMEONE ELSE. AND, SHE WAS MARRIED TO A GROPER.
SHE WAS MARRIED TO A GROPER.
SHE WAS MARRIED TO A GROPER. Do you THINK IT IS SEXUALLY PRUDENT TO SEXUALLY TEXT MESSAGE SOMEBODY WHO'S married to a groper?
Aren't you divorced?
>> [gasps] >> Oh my god. through every single person that messages me with a [ __ ] nude or wants to say Is that what I need to do?
Do I need to get permission from you from now on? Are you going to tell me how to run my [ __ ] personal life? No.
But, if anybody was your [ __ ] friend, they would call you an idiot to your face, which is what I'm doing right now.
You are an idiot.
You are dumb.
You ruined your own life. Okay. All right.
Does any of What is happening?
What is happening? What is going on?
Well, I don't know what the point If the point here is for Connor to go I don't like the way that you have sex with people or whatever. I don't know what the [ __ ] the point is of this conversation. That's it I It almost sounds like So, if I'm following the conversation from the one they had a few days ago or a couple days ago, it feels like these two topics are being interlinked in a way that to me doesn't really make sense. Uh I don't know if Connor's saying like, you reap what you sow, like you brought the snark you brought the snarkers on yourself by having messy romantic relationships or I don't really understand what it has to do with like the snarker stuff. Um Destiny can have have made questionable decisions in the past, but what does that have to do with like the snarker stuff? Yeah, fine. I'll ask you this question. I'll I'll make the point in abundant >> Adrian, thank you.
When you're being sued for leaking homemade Should you start sexually text messaging a woman who's married to a political opposition that hates your [ __ ] guts?
Connor, at this point >> sane or normal behavior? The world hates my [ __ ] guts, Connor. But what I do with my >> Wait, okay. So the whole world hates your guts. HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S DUBI SWATTING YOU?
>> do Connor, what I do I've never said that Dubi himself is swatting.
>> Well, Birdman, thank you.
How do you know it's the Snarkers?
Because these guys literally have the [ __ ] slogan at the beginning of their [ __ ] >> Wait, wait, wait, but the Uh Dubi didn't speak up in chat. And I didn't realize I could I clicked on his name on the super chat and it didn't give me the option to hide user from channel.
It just let me 24-hour ban. I don't want your money, Dubi.
husband But the husband Milo Milk with the tier one membership, thank you. was in a Telegram channel where Groypers were plotting your murder. If they were plotting your murder, then don't you think they might swat you?
I don't know, they might, but I've gotten swatted before >> You're so full of [ __ ] You're so You are so full of You are so full of [ __ ] You want You want to blame exclusively Kweiman, Jay Sock, all of these people for why What does Kweiman and Jay Sock I don't even understand why they're being brought up here. Oh, the timestamp. Yeah, it's coming up. 2 minutes. your life is [ __ ] up and yet you always poke the bear. You always [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] You It's EVERYBODY ELSE'S FAULT.
EVERYBODY else's fault. It's never DESTINY'S FAULT. IT'S NEVER I just what does what does Kweiman have to do with um like >> [clears throat] >> Destiny's sexual life?
What What is the connection there?
Um am I missing lore?
Very I'm very confused. Steven Crowder, we can't do a moral inventory about >> balanced Crowder with $20. You deserve a donut for being fair and balanced. What the [ __ ] you're doing every single god damn day. Connor Like there is a context where if I was like Destiny's friend, like if we were close like that. And again, this comes from like recovery, the recovery relationships that you make when when you start going to like NA meetings and working a program. The culture is to use like very blunt language. And so there's a heavy emphasis on accountability. And so if you have like a friend in your life that is constantly experiencing chaos in some facet of their life in their career, in their interpersonal relationships, it's very normal and good even to point out to your friend like you're the through line. So if you're having nothing but chaotic relationships over and over and over again, you got something going on.
And so that's fine to do that as a friend. But in this context, like the snarker stuff, like I don't understand what the relevance is. This is just not a conversation that I would ever have on a live stream.
>> Connor, is it my fault he got swatted? I No, no, yes, yes, it is. I want to I want you to say that. Because I sex people or [ __ ] a lot of people, it is absolutely everything except for my fault because of that.
Yeah, when you try >> it goes both ways. I like if I was Destiny, I would not entertain the conversation. If I was Connor, I would not Like this is just not a conversation to have in public. It's just not. Uh Cernovich, thank you so much for the tier one membership. [ __ ] a married woman of your political opposition that wants to murder you, and then you try to blame people who hate you on the internet for trying to swat you, but then there's other people who want to murder you, too. I'm going to say you're full of [ __ ] Yeah, absolutely.
I don't know I don't understand that logic at all. Wait, what?
>> absolutely everything is happening to my fault because of that.
Yeah, when you try to [ __ ] a married woman of your political opposition that wants to murder you, and then you try to blame people who hate you on the internet for trying to swat you, but then there's other people who want to murder you, too, I'm going to say you're full of [ __ ] Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, so your contention is that this group of people, I guess are they're the ones swatting me. I have more evidence that they're swatting them swatting you than you have presented that the snarkers are swatting you. Connor, you have no evidence they swatted me. Yeah, you're right, and yet I still have more than you.
And yet I still have more than you.
What's the evidence that I have? I have the evidence that he's in a [ __ ] Telegram channel plotting Steven's murder, but you want to take all the negativity If I felt my friend was losing himself in Poon, I'd get them help.
If it's destroying our relationship, then you got to give ultimatums or cut off.
I mean, it's like any friend with a with an with an addiction, you know, which I'm not saying I don't know what Destiny's situation is. I don't I really do I genuinely don't know how he operates in that kind of way.
That's on the internet about you, and you want to assign it to one community?
Connor, You're full of [ __ ] YOU'RE FULL OF [ __ ] CONNOR, this Telegram group appeared like a year after my first swatting incident. I don't know why you're pretending that everything came from that. Is this is this the new logistical talking point?
Oh, 34 coming up. Jesus Christ, I almost forgot. I'm not say You are being obtuse.
I'm saying there's enough [ __ ] who hate you on the internet for good reason that to say that this is just the snarkers is the most hilarious gay [ __ ] co Okay, you know what? Let's just Okay. [ __ ] Conner, okay. It's mind-blowing. Conner, I have never in my life >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I have never in my life said that every swatting attempt or whatever has come from the H3, whatever the [ __ ] the Snukert people, the I don't actually 100% know that. The very first time I got swatted was after the big one.
>> they deserve the doxing?
I thought I I I thought eSports Batman, Wicked Supreme, Jay Stock, Jay Stock, Queen Man, Doobie, I thought they all deserved doxing because they were complicit in your doxing, swatting, and harassment. I thought that's why they deserved to be doxed. No, it's because they have engaged in a year and a half >> talk [ __ ] [ __ ] We could just watch your content for the last 6 months and see you running away from your own talking points.
How are How are you running away from your own talking points right now?
>> These aren't my talking points. These are the talking points that I'm [ __ ] talking >> why did eSports Batman deserve to get doxed? No, I'm going to answer the other question that you asked me before you try to railroad to some other question.
You said, "What is my issue with these people?" And I've said it and I've clarified it 50 billion [ __ ] times is that for a year and a half these people have run a real life long-term harassment campaign that has encapsulated multiple channels, multiple discords, and multiple mediums like websites like Kiwi Farms and Discord and other people's stream chats and other people's [ __ ] donations and everything else that that has been dedicated to the total destruction of my career and my life. That's been my issue.
Yeah, and they're stochastically responsible for your swatting and doxing, yeah.
Conner, I'm not a baby. I don't give a [ __ ] if some cops show up to my house with some guns. What I care about is if people are getting harassed who are peripheral to me and my life where people are making threats to them. Well, these people are not Do you remember Do you remember yesterday? I don't cry about [ __ ] doxing. Swatting is annoying, I do admit it and I do consider it kind of attempted murder, but I can deal with that. What I can't deal with is every single person peripheral in my life getting mind [ __ ] Like I'm watching you, you're mind raped right now. That stuff is a lot worse to me because I have no control over that. I can't do anything to influence that than than talk [ __ ] about my personal life again.
>> convinced me that you engage with like insane sexual behaviors that puts you at incredible risk?
>> obsession with my has nothing to do with anything that's happened over the past 2 years.
Taito with $5, Connor is an idiot but he has a point that Destiny has agency over his own misery. It's similar to the stealthing discourse Destiny had a while back. It's just it's hard to weigh in when I don't It'd be one thing if I had had like dozens of conversations or whatever with Destiny in private about like his love life. We've never spoken about his love life. And so uh number one, I don't know all the details. And number two, I'm just not I'm not that guy to be in a position to have those conversations. I think Connor and Destiny were like legit friends outside of streaming. So, I assume they've talked about this stuff.
I'm not really sure. And and like superficially, yes. Like it is appropriate sometimes to tell your friends just like I said a minute ago.
It is sometimes appropriate to say like, "Hey, there's one thing that all of these things have in common and it's that it involves you. And so, you probably need to look at yourself." Like that's a perfectly reasonable conversation to have with a friend.
I've had those kinds of conversations with friends. People have come to me with those kinds of observations about me. Those are the kind of friendships that you want.
Like you you want friendships with people that are going to hold you accountable and not cosign bad behavior.
The problem with having this conversation on a live stream is once you add this element of an audience, then the conversation takes on a whole new meaning.
Because and I don't pretend to know how Connor's mind works, but it's possible that in Connor's mind he is like fighting for his internet life, you know? Like he has this long-established friendship with Destiny. There's There's There's a ongoing, you could say like work relationship or work acquaintanceship, as far as I understand. A lot of like audience overlap. And so, there could be these other factors that kind of pervert the conversation and then and then it becomes about something other than what you're talking about. I don't know. Does that make sense? I'm trying to explain myself here. I don't know if they're having a conversation really about the thing that's being discussed. It just It doesn't seem like it's about that in this moment. It seems like it's about something else, you know?
Cuz you have like this audience that are going to be like they're they're going to be tribalistic with with online communities. And so, you have a lot of people that are like fiercely loyal to Destiny, that are a part of his community. And now he's like the villain, the bad guy in that in that space. And he's probably like experiencing the consequences of that. I'm sure his mentions look crazy right now. And maybe that makes him want to dig in more. And maybe, you know, so there's like all these other complicating factors.
It's just so dysfunctional. This is not how these kind of conversations, when done correctly and done with like good intentions.
If your intention truly is you care about your friend. And I I I and you you want them to make better decisions. Then like that that um that's one thing. But, if your intention is to like defend yourself against like an internet community. And And it I don't know. It's just like it it makes these kinds of discussions like literally impossible in this kind of a setting.
Granddad's lounge with £5. Problem is D has these conversations over 3 years and made the requested changes to his life.
That's why even the pixie [ __ ] is 3-plus years old.
Cos with Donny with $10. The thing that I don't get is let's say Connor's right and Destiny did bring this on himself.
How does it justify folks like Hutch and Wick getting targeted? Well, I mean I think that's the point that that Destiny is like explicitly making, right?
Adrian with with $5, I believe Connor has some mental stuff going on and is using Destiny as a way to lash out. He needs to find a therapist IMO.
But probably everybody in this Discord call. Honestly, everybody should talk to a therapist at least once in their life.
Literally everybody. But I'm going to say most people. I'm going to say 99% of people would benefit greatly from some therapy. Except for the fact you [ __ ] that you were sexting an unstable woman who is still threatening suicide at this moment and who was married to your political opposition who wants to get kill you. I just want to ask you one fair question.
Who Who gave you this idea that this person is like anything relevant to any of the past year and a half of real life harassment towards other people I know, of harassment to anybody I've followed on social media, of interfering with my [ __ ] court case, of reaching out to witnesses >> He did.
>> Oh, she She said >> The mentally unstable woman that you are sexting. Her name is First of all, I'm not talking to this person right now, okay? Number one. Number two, she's say bisexual. Is that who she is?
Sorry, what? Is that Is she Is her name say bisexual online? She's the one in in Jessica's Discord server that reached out to the victim of my [ __ ] court but if you think you get Wait wait wait wait hold on. If you the You're You're saying You're saying Hold on hold on hold on. You're saying I shouldn't care about your sex life when you're doing something so reckless and stupid it runs the risk of you getting murdered? I as your friend shouldn't have criticism of you? The amount of The amount of pivot sweep that you've done, none of this has anything to do with my court case. You are desperately running from it because you know that you can't defend yourself from the truth.
>> hard? I said that are sexually [ __ ] And you're dangerous to yourself. All right, that's good. That has basically nothing to do with any of the problems that I've been experiencing for the past 2 years, but unless I guess You don't think that you're in a court case right now because you're sexually [ __ ] and a danger to yourself.
Who is the I was sexually kind of for recording videos with Pixie. I shouldn't have done that.
6 years ago.
I guess Laura and I should have been >> you're almost there. You're almost at the point that's actually a good point.
Kind of >> Yeah, please please articulate your sexual situation and how it resulted in a court case. Please do.
My issue is is you just not liking people having casual sex or doing sexual things.
>> because I'm a sane adult, I don't like that my idiot millionaire friend, who is wildly intelligent, wildly successful in so many domains of his life, thought that it was smart to send homemade to random people on the [ __ ] internet.
That's why I'm calling you sexually re Jay stopped didn't tell me that. Weeman didn't tell me that. Doobie didn't tell me that. I thought that you were sexually myself and I've called you sexually [ __ ] for two [ __ ] years.
And you're still sexually If a if a Justical fan showed up at my house and murdered me because they were so upset over the court case, would that be my fault?
Sorry, if who showed up and murdered you?
>> Justical fan showed up at my house and murdered me because they were so upset about my sexual behavior, would that be my fault?
How about we change it to the groper?
Can can you ask Can you answer that [ __ ] question? No, no, no, no. I'll answer your question. If the groper showed up and murdered you, yeah, that'd be your fault. If one of Justical's fans showed up at my house and he murdered me, okay?
Would that be my fault?
>> But but if if the if a husband showed up and murdered you, would that be your fault?
Nah, [ __ ] it. He should blame his wife more than that. She didn't say to murder when he She first reached out to me.
What do you want me to say?
Okay. You're You're literally like >> I'm going to ask people from America to >> is timestamp. I got to look out for the timestamp.
We got a Fsler coming up at 5:42:35.
You are sexually and it destroys your career.
>> No, that's not the main point, you [ __ ] The main point is there's been a 2-year master debate campaign that [ __ ] It's like you. I guess cuz Ooh, I'm not going to be personal. Okay?
Listen, whatever problems or issues that you have going on right now, the fact that you are willing to sweep every [ __ ] thing that these lunatics are doing online because you don't like the way that I have [ __ ] casual sex is the most insanely petty watch I've ever heard in my entire [ __ ] life. It's crazy to me.
Destiny, I'm not the person being sued for $15 million for being a sexual I'm not the [ __ ] person who is getting [ __ ] sex videos from a boyper and his wife, you psycho. Is that why I'm being sued?
No, but that's why you're going to get murdered, you [ __ ] Is that why I'm Is that why I'm being sued?
You're being sued for being sexually worded 100%.
Okay. So, just help me draw the line for next time. So, no more recording videos or no more having casual sex at all or no >> SEX WITH ADULT WOMEN.
You're insane. Why are you SAYING ADULT WOMEN?
SET YOUR [ __ ] PARAMETERS TO 25 TO 40 AND HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH FOR MORE THAN 30 [ __ ] SECONDS. IT'S SO NORMAL. It's so normal. As many PEOPLE AS YOU WANT, BUT STOP BANGING PEOPLE who are [ __ ] crazy. This is one of those moments where it's like I don't know I don't pretend to have a special insight into Connor's life, but this is one of those moments where it's like I don't Um I get the sense that this is This is not actually about Destiny. The level of emotion discussing like this particular thing, it doesn't I think this is probably something else is going on that's causing these emotional outbursts. You know who I had a lot of conversations with? You know who somebody who had a lot of conversations with who was pretty close to my age who's probably more responsible for quick case than anyone else? [ __ ] Lauren Da Laguna, but great advice.
Thank you.
Thank you, Calvin.
>> Um I'm sorry, what the [ __ ] does Lauren Da Laguna have to do with you?
Okay, hang on. It's coming up.
Another [ __ ] that you [ __ ] who's crazy Jesus Christ.
Got to Wait, no. I I don't have the timestamp right. Hold on.
crazy who's trying to ruin your life? As a matter of fact, hold on. That's a great point, Destiny. Hold on. It's 5:42:35 in about a minute. Okay. There's another [ __ ] that you [ __ ] that's trying to ruin your god damn life.
Thank you for bringing her up. I forgot about Lauren Da Laguna.
True. You You know what happened today?
Pilot Pilot texted me today. Pilot texted me today and she said, "Oh man, Steven's going crazy. You know, this kind of reminds me of back what happened with Lauren." And you know what I had to say in response?
Which Lauren? Woah.
Woah.
What the [ __ ] I thought you >> why? Because you've had sex with two or three of them and one of them's [ __ ] crazy and trying to ruin your life.
Because you're an idiot.
>> It's a It's an easy mistake. Just one Lauren everywhere, you know. The north, south, west, and east.
>> have [ __ ] Chen, you would have [ __ ] Chen, too. This would have been Okay, excuse me.
Chen is pretty hot. Okay, number one.
Number two, the if the if the whole thing is just you hate me having casual sex, then just say that and then >> No.
>> cut out all the [ __ ] >> you and I want you to stop being [ __ ] Shut the [ __ ] up. Oh my god, it's such a cringe thing to say. Shut the [ __ ] up. Okay, stop bringing on just a little >> Okay.
Here's the timestamp. Skip. Let's go.
5:42:39, we're in the clear. Hey, hey, everybody dude, we all know the entire world knows your sexual history, but I'm the crazy one. As a matter of fact, let's move off of your sexual history.
Let's go into the doxing history. What did Esports Batman do to deserve to be doxed?
>> like you obsess over it. Esports Batman cheered on as a Discord server and gave legal advice to a Discord server that was that was harassing a [ __ ] sex trafficking victim, encouraging her to drop her court case because they thought it'd be an epic own. That's >> Did he dox you?
That's No, he didn't dox me.
>> dox you? No. Did he stalk you?
I would consider that stalking, yes.
Oh.
Okay.
Uh did he swat you?
>> how Connor doesn't respond to what I'm saying yes or no to run down a checklist.
>> you're [ __ ] Because people talking [ __ ] about you on THE INTERNET IS NOT A GOOD REASON to dox them, you [ __ ] [ __ ] Hold on. I just want to hear you say this. I just want to hear you say this to be clear. People reaching out to the victim of a sex trafficking crime in order to harass her and her family to force her to drop her case.
That's just people talking [ __ ] Connor?
No, Cybah could be the one person where if you doxed him, I'd be like, "Eh."
But Esports Batman isn't Cybah, is he?
Do you think that Cybah exists without a whole Discord server cheering him the [ __ ] on? Okay, yeah, I I I love this. So so since I'm a snarker now, and since I enjoy I'm just mind the snarkers, now I side with Queen MJ Stock and Doobie, and since I agree with them about everything, I should dox Kafka because he enables the infinite rape machine based off of your logic.
Do you think that He's fair game. He talks to you. He's a lawyer. He gives you legal feedback. I should him. He I should kill him.
Sure. Show me Show me Kafka engaging in the behavior that was anywhere near what Esports Batman does.
>> You know what? You know what? No, no, no. It really It really boils down to this.
>> god. It really boils down to this.
If you're going to dox people, have a good reason and evidence it. You haven't done that. And if you're going to have sex with people, stop having sex with crazy people who are going to ruin your [ __ ] life.
I'll just repeat that over and over and over again. I don't want to litigate every [ __ ] detail with you because I don't give a [ __ ] because what I'm saying right now is so true. And here's the other thing. Here's the other thing.
Before you [ __ ] dip out, you're like, "Oh, Connor's obsessed with me." I'm keeping an eye on you, buddy pop. I'm I'm keeping an eye on things. Dan and Looten are [ __ ] [ __ ] because they would never [ __ ] say this [ __ ] to your face. I'm looking at Twitch chat, too. I forgot about Twitch. Except they do in real life. They don't have to do a show They do? Then why don't you listen to him, you stupid [ __ ] Every single one of your friends is I'm a little sidetracked here. You get You guys uh You haven't done that. And it has distracted me. Show me Kafka engaging in the behavior that was anywhere near what Esports Batman does. You know what? You know what? No, no, it really it really boils down to this.
It really boils down to this.
If you're going to dox people, have a good reason and evidence it. You haven't done that.
And if you're going to have sex with people, stop having sex with crazy people who are going to ruin your [ __ ] life.
I'll just repeat that over and over and over again. I don't want to litigate every [ __ ] detail with you because I don't give a [ __ ] because what I'm saying right now is so true. And here's the other thing. Here's the other thing.
Before you [ __ ] dip out, you're like, "Oh, Connor's obsessed with me [ __ ] psychosexually." You know what? Dan and Looten are [ __ ] [ __ ] because they would never [ __ ] say this [ __ ] to your [ __ ] face, you [ __ ] loser.
No, they would. Except they do in real life.
This is what we call, friends, a communication breakdown. This is what you call um when you're talking to each other, but you're not really communicating. You know what I mean? One might say that they're talking past each other. That Maybe that implies a kind of parity that I don't mean to imply here, but uh Knifemaw with $5, not a fan of the whole mind R and your R lingo sliding into the lexicon.
Not the tone police or anything, it's just gross or immature. I don't like that language either. I just I don't I gave up on trying to police people. I have like my rules for what kind of language we we allow in the chat, but I don't I don't love the I don't love the language. Mind reader IMO on scene that Connor has something else going on, either his recent divorce or the upcoming massive L I won't spoil. Um I'm not I don't pretend to understand what's going on with his life, but I just don't the the tone of the conversation and what they're talking about is kind of baffling to me. Again, I can imagine a setting where this kind of conversation would be appropriate.
Some form of this kind Not this convers- Not the way that they're talking about it. Or not the way that Connor's talking about it. But there could be a context where pointing this stuff out would be completely appropriate and justified and good. But not not this. This is this is we're off the rails here. Every single one of your friends is consistently telling you that you are so sexually that you are ruining your life, and yet you are coming to me and saying, "Connor, you're dick watching. You're psychosexually obsessing with me." Hold on. So, if I'm psychosexually obsessed with you, why are Dan saying the same thing? Is he psychosexually obsessed with you? Is Moody? Is Kyla? Is Lauren?
How many friends do you have left, by the way? At what POINT DO YOU GO, "Oh [ __ ] it's me"? I don't know how many wives you have left, Connor. What the [ __ ] bro?
I was married for 15 years, and I was loyal to one woman for 15 years. HOLD ON. HOLD ON.
LET'S POINT OUT HOW [ __ ] STUPID WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS. HOW MANY WIVES DO YOU HAVE LEFT, CONNOR?
I HAD ONE, AND I WAS MARRIED TO HER FOR 15 years, and I was loyal to her for 15 years, you [ __ ] idiot. Oh my god, keep going.
Are you good? No, I'm good. Yeah, you're a [ __ ] idiot. You think one relationship compares Destiny with $25.
It's crazy how people think they can provide some unique input relating to my life. Like even Hutch. How can he pretend like he can see anything valuable here when he can't even see his game. He uses an ultra wide ultra wide monitor.
Uh, actually it is a super ultra wide monitor. Ultra wides are 21 by 9.
Super ultra wides are actually 32 by 9. It's the equivalent of two 16 by 9 monitors right next to each other.
This is what my screen looks like.
That's my screen.
But when I'm playing single player, I'm [ __ ] locked the [ __ ] in. You don't know what gaming is until you play Red Dead Redemption 2 or Death Stranding or Horizon Forbidden West or Ghost of Tsushima on on this kind of monitor. You don't know what joy is on an OLED screen.
HDR, it's [ __ ] amazing. I have a 32 by 9 monitor that's like my primary gaming monitor and then I have a 21 by 9 second monitor on top of this one. So I got two I got one super ultra wide, I got one Dude, OLED is life changing. It really is. They're too expensive for TVs, man.
OLEDs are still like $3,000 for like the big TVs. We got a QLED TV and it's nice, but a OLED gaming monitor, it's a [ __ ] game changer. Stick your entire life of social >> Connor, HOW MANY WIVES DO YOU HAVE LEFT, CONNOR? I HAD ONE AND I WAS MARRIED TO HER FOR 15 years and I was loyal to her for 15 years, you [ __ ] idiot.
>> Oh my god, keep going.
Are you good? No, I'm good. Yeah, you're a [ __ ] idiot. You think one 15-year relationship compares to your entire life of social sexual dysfunction?
That's so [ __ ] I don't even know why you would say it. Connor, why were we standing outside your house when you were asking me all I should live a sexual life like you now I should go and have all There's a phrase that I heard one time. Who did I hear this from? I don't recall. Honesty without empathy is cruelty?
I think is what I heard.
Is that the phrase? Honesty without empathy is cruelty. Yeah. All this [ __ ] fun now that I'M [ __ ] AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? I GOT TINDER, I DID ONE HOOKUP, I was like this is gay and cringe. I'm going to go find a serious girlfriend and then I got a serious girlfriend because I'm almost 40.
Boy, this this is a dark conversation.
HOLD UP.
GROW UP QUESTION.
Grow up. You're 40. Grow up. Connor, you are on the internet talking about sex You are age playing with a groper's wife. You are age playing with a groper's wife.
You are age playing with a groper's wife.
Grow up. Respectfully, you have no idea what you're talking about, okay? No, I do.
I got the logs from him and from her.
Okay, I don't The thing is I don't want to out their business on the internet, okay?
But you don't know what you're talking about. I promise you, okay?
I have screenshots. I know what I'm talking about. SO HOW ABOUT YOU JUST GO, "DAMN, CONNOR, YOU'RE RIGHT. I SHOULDN'T be accepting sexual videos from a groper and his wife who wants to murder me. I need TO CHILL THE [ __ ] OUT."
You said you have screenshots. Who sent you the screenshots? Connor, are we I'm not sending you the screenshots of the [ __ ] groper who wants to murder Destiny. But trust me, I have them. And the reason why he can't deny it is because he knows it's [ __ ] true.
It's because you have a fraction of the story that is absolutely not worth litigating on the internet.
>> What What could you possibly tell me that is going to tell that's going to be like, "Oh, [ __ ] Destiny was right. He should have sexted the griper and his wife."
>> Oh my god.
This is brilliant.
What information or context could you possibly share with me that would change my opinion on this? I am not going to out parts of any conversation like this that I have with another person or people. You're [ __ ] insane to even ask me to do that online. You are correct that I >> I see my friend who's a [ __ ] idiot [ __ ] up, and I've tried to be nice about it, and that's not working. So, I'm going to be [ __ ] mean about it.
You're sexually [ __ ] did. You don't know how to manage your relationships.
MILKSHAKE.
I DRINK IT UP. HE KIND OF sounds like him a little bit, and I didn't put it together. I don't know if that's why you put that up there. What's his name again, that character? Daniel Plainview.
He does kind of sound like him a little bit. Anytime anybody [ __ ] challenges you on I don't think it's about I think it's safe to say I don't think this is about Destiny. I think this is about some I think this is about someone else. anything. Even if they love you, you run away because you're afraid of growing up. You are not 13 anymore. You are 40. Grow up.
>> It's all there. Every piece is in place.
The Infinity Stones have merged. Yeah, sure. I'll give you ONE MORE. YOU KNOW Lauren wanted to get back with you?
Really? Yes.
What? Why are we airing stuff out like this? working. So, I'm going to be [ __ ] mean about it. You're sexually [ __ ] [ __ ] You don't know how to manage your relationships. Anytime anybody [ __ ] challenges you on anything, even if they love you, you run away because you're afraid of growing up. You are not 13 anymore. You are 40.
Grow up.
>> all there. Every piece is in place. The Infinity Stones have merged. Yeah, sure.
I'll give you ONE MORE. YOU KNOW Lauren wanted to get back with you?
Really? Yes.
She loves you.
She wants the best for you. She thinks that underneath all the sludge and [ __ ] of your [ __ ] up little life, there's something redeeming about you.
And I agree with her. BUT YOU ARE SUCH A [ __ ] [ __ ] THAT IT IS impossible to be your friend. It's impossible to be your partner. It is impossible to tell you that you're wrong. It's impossible for you to take a [ __ ] L.
So, take a [ __ ] L and take a goddamn lap. Connor, if you want a [ __ ] L, me and Lauren have been dating for like 3 months and we both agreed not to tell you because you asked her out while we were in the MIDDLE OF DATING.
>> [screaming] >> OH BOY, I FEEL DIRTY. OH, THIS stops pretty shortly after that. Wow.
Okay.
All right. Um I would just take a break. I would just take a break from the internet for like doesn't need to be a long break. I would I if if I was Connor, I would take a break. I think it's time to log off for a little bit. Literally, don't even look at the internet for like a week. Why was this conversation had in public? This is crazy. And I have no plausible explanation. Nothing makes sense. Why would this conversation be had on a [ __ ] live stream? Holy moly, especially if you're like if you're dropping a a bunch of receipts.
>> [laughter] >> It looks like I kind of feel bad. Uh Gypsy with 25 months.
I didn't know you were allowed to show murders on stream. Jesus Christ.
To be honest with you, I'm I'm a little bit shocked that that it took that long to get there. Um how long was this conversation had? This was like a 550. This was like a 30-minute conversation and Connor was spilling so much tea.
I honestly feel like it was restraint to not even mention that. Elder millennial with $2 Days of Our Lives, what a twist.
Notice the vibe change as soon as Destiny told him he doesn't know the half of it. Connor was flailing trying to provoke Destiny to reveal more info after he realized he wasn't clued in as he thought.
Brutal. Just a brutal situation there.
Me and Lauren have been dating for like 3 months and we both agreed not to tell you because you asked her out while we were in the middle of dating. YOU HAVE NO [ __ ] IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU'RE SAYING. YES, I DO BECAUSE I DURING THE PAST TIME AND YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A [ __ ] TO CONNECT. YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A [ __ ] TO CONNECT. I OH, NO. THIS HOT INTERNET POLITICS ARTIST WHO I DESTROYED MY LIFE FOR IN 2022.
OH, SHE LOVES ME. I NEED TO GO SEX BPD [ __ ] You're a Uh the trip of $10. I mean, this is just disgusting behavior from Connor and seems like a genuinely good dude, but this is beneath him. I think he'll bury himself in Team Sports here to satisfy really rough memes. I mean, I don't listen. I think you have to do a lot to get like run off the internet. Uh I think honestly, I think you can come back from like a lot of stuff.
I do think he needs to log off for a little bit. Uh just I don't think anything positive or productive can come from him engaging in social media discourse for [ __ ] like a week or two. I don't know. I think he needs a little bit of a break here.
Creole Dom, did I get you $2 over a girl no bro code tail is old as time lol.
[ __ ] autist.
AND YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A [ __ ] [ __ ] TO COMMIT. YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A [ __ ] [ __ ] TO COMMIT. OH. OH NO, THIS HOT INTERNET POLITICS AUTIST WHO I DESTROYED MY LIFE FOR IN 2022.
OH, SHE LOVES >> ME. ME. I NEED TO GO SEX BPDE [ __ ] YOU'RE A [ __ ] IDIOT. YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
LISTEN, You literally had Lauren BACK AND YOU DITCHED her for BPDE girls BECAUSE YOU'RE SEXUALLY [ __ ] YOU ARE [ __ ] YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT I am crawling out of my skin right now.
Jujitsu with $10. Nothing about Connor's behavior indicates one described as a friend. These ghouls are trying to ruin the life of someone he says he cares about and all he cares about is who Destiny sleeps with. I honestly, I would not I would I would not speculate as to like what is motivating Connor. I I have no idea.
I don't think anybody in chat does either, but something's going on here.
Some something's going on here.
Uh PPE Con with seven Canadian.
Meanwhile, Candace Owens gives more of a genuine apology and is kinder to Hunter Biden on her pa- pod than Connor is to Destiny here. Connor nuking himself. Um so, is Connor just pretending Destiny didn't say anything?
I I don't I don't I have no idea.
Back and you ditched her for BPDE girls BECAUSE YOU'RE SEXUALLY [ __ ] YOU ARE [ __ ] This all feels like it escalated so quickly. Usually this kind of an exchange is the at the tail end of like [ __ ] weeks or months of conflict and all of this feels like it unfolded in [ __ ] like two days. You don't know anything about my life. You don't know anything about my personal LIFE.
>> YES, I DO.
DO YOU DO YOU WANT ME TO GET THE SCREENSHOTS THAT I GOT FROM LAUREN SOUTHERN? are self-destructing right now because I I think you should take one week off. But that's my >> Okay, well.
I did not I did not pre-watch. Did not pre-watch.
This showed up I I had no idea this conversation even happened until this morning. I woke up at 6:30.
Cuz I'm waking up early these days. I saw a tweet about it. I was like, "What happened here?" And I thought it was like a repeat of the Friday stuff. And it's like, "Oh, it's a whole new thing."
Uh Shen with $2, do you think Connor has no valid critique? It's hard for me to give an opinion again because Like no, I mean, sure. Yes, I think I've said that at many many points in this stream.
It's not that there's It's not that it's never appropriate to tell a friend when you think that they're being self-destructive or impulsive or um making bad decisions. Like there Of course, there are there are contexts where not only is that appropriate, but that that would be like the sign of a good friend.
Of course.
It's the It's It's the tying the critique of Destiny is like um social life or romantic life or sexual life. And then tying it into the conversation about like snarkers. And then that's just gone. Like at some point in the discussion we're not even we're not even talking about snarkers anymore. It's just Connor putting Destiny on trial for his sins.
And this is just not an appropriate venue for that kind of conversation.
You would never have this kind of conversation like this on a live stream.
There's no way any anybody could could justify this kind of a conversation on on a stream like this. It's just like we're We're even we're not even talking about snarkers anymore. We're just It's just like Connor prosecuting this case against Destiny and hard to make sense of it. Maybe he didn't intend for this to happen. I don't really understand where this is coming from, but I don't really know Connor that well. I don't really know Destiny that well. I don't really know their friendship that well. I don't know. I don't know how much they talk behind the scenes. I genuinely have no idea.
Um Boris with $10 D gets the girl Connor asks out and then lets her go. It must have made Connor feel small and now he wants to feel vindicated that he can think it's D's. I'm not going to speculate on the particulars.
I genuinely have no [ __ ] idea what is making Connor tick in this moment. The trip with $5 saying you want Destiny to with his sec with his what? With his sex? Is that what you mean? Sure, saying you're running your own life which removes agency from bad actors is not valid.
Connor Connor originally was bringing all this up as some kind of a justification. Not Maybe not a justification, but like pretense or explanation for like the snarker behavior and he just like lost me right away with that. Even even if the behavior is bad, somebody having questionable is making questionable decisions as it pertains to their love life is not a justification to the kind of obsession that you can see in the logs. That's kind of crazy to suggest. The implication is like he brought it on himself, but these people are relentless, obsessed, and motivated.
Very explicitly motivated to destroy not only Destiny's life, but anybody who comes within like three degrees of separation from Destiny.
Completely unacceptable behavior. It is wildly disproportionate to whatever controversies Destiny is involved in from time to time.
Suggestion, I'm not going to be here and contribute to You shall all re it. Connor, you don't know anything about my life. You don't know anything about my PERSONAL LIFE. YES, I DO.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GET THE SCREENSHOTS THAT I GOT FROM LAUREN SOUTHERN?
Sometimes when you're having a conversation with someone, all right, I you know, I can even phrase it like personally.
Um sometimes you'll be having a conversation with someone and you get triggered.
And then your representative comes out.
Your attorney.
Your like protector.
Your uh defense mechanism or whatever. And then you're not it's not it's no longer you that's talking. Yeah, it's like super it's like super id. It's like ego. It's just some some other part of your psyche emerges and is like fighting for you or or defending yourself or whatever. But you're not you, you know, like you're you're compromised. You become compromised. And it's just impossible to have a conversation that even resembles anything productive.
And usually in those moments you have to like take a walk and like physically separate from the situation and calm the [ __ ] down.
But then you add like a thousands of people watching on the internet and it's just like [ __ ] kerosene.
And then of course you got like DGG chat in the background the whole time like it's just this was always going to explode. This was never going to be a productive conversation with the kind of parameters they had.
destructing right now because I I think you should take one week off. But that's my suggestion. I'm not going to be here and contribute to you You should take a whole year off. Do you know Here here's another thing. Here's another thing.
All right, he's gone. I'll go ahead and share it with the people who are watching.
He did mushrooms that said that he was alone inside his room.
And he ignored that.
But exactly what the [ __ ] is happening is he can't take criticism. He can't let people love him. He can't let anybody get [ __ ] close, and he would rather cycle through a [ __ ] roster of BPD e-bitches and slowly destroy his [ __ ] life rather than get his [ __ ] together and grow the [ __ ] up. And I'm sick of it. I played nice with it. I'm not playing nice with it anymore. I'm I understand you're angry, Connor. Please, please, please. But, do you think now's the time to litigate his sex life?
>> Yes. literally under attack. It is not.
>> Yes, it is. You're watching a man drown, and he's trying Rick, you want to sit here with a You want to sit here with a straight [ __ ] face, and you want to tell me that he should be sexting a [ __ ] groper and his wife while he's undergoing litigation for sexting for for leaking [ __ ] homemade That's the appropriate time to [ __ ] with BPD e-girls? You're You're really angry, and I get it. And I'm not saying you don't have any reason not to be angry to be angry, right? But, like this is not the time. This is not the place. Yes, it is, buddy.
>> doing, man? It's exactly the time and the place. Well, It's exactly You know why? Because it's been years.
It's been years. No one will stand up to this [ __ ] and tell him to his face that he's being a [ __ ] And I feel like that's not true. I feel like I I know of at least a couple people that I'm pretty sure have honest conversations with Steven. I think. And you know what? I don't give a [ __ ] He knows that I'm [ __ ] right. He's sexually re- He destroys career opportunities for his own [ __ ] nihilist hedonism.
The trip with $5 to add some context, Destiny has had one to three bad situations sparked by Sex Tony.
Rose Lav and Lauren, tricky to say, in 16 years. Okay. Well, he could improve his relationships, but he [ __ ] won't.
He has opportunities for deeper relationships, and he runs away from them. [ __ ] that. This is the exact time.
So, I would say that this is a level of emotional investment that is disproportionate to the situation.
Um somebody else's choices, like ideally shouldn't it shouldn't have the kind of impact on you that it it seems to be having on like you can express concern, but this is like kind of more than that. I don't think I need to explain that. I think it makes sense.
It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a [ __ ] litigate it. And by the way, here's another [ __ ] detail. Hanging out with a [ __ ] profile. Why is his number one defender a [ __ ] profile?
His kid is getting doxxed, and you're the one blaming him for hedonism. That is ridiculous. You're No, that's ridiculous.
>> Why would I talk to you?
>> Dude, you Jesus.
Was I muted the entire time?
Nope.
Heard everything.
Was I muted the entire time?
Definitely not.
Unless, maybe I am psychotically.
Maybe I am having hallucinations, guys.
You heard that, too, right?
I don't need to up my dosage, do I?
I didn't run. Destiny ran. You think I need to sit around and talk to a profile?
I'm not talking to a profile.
If you want to talk to a profile, you go over there. You go talk to the pile.
[ __ ] idiot.
What a [ __ ] idiot.
What a [ __ ] idiot.
What a [ __ ] idiot.
What a [ __ ] idiot.
I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Do you understand I'm not the only one that feels this way?
Kyla feels this way. Dan probably feels this way. Mouton probably feels this way.
Lauren D Laguna back in the day probably felt this way.
They all feel this way.
Destiny is intelligent.
He's charismatic.
He's funny.
He can be generous. He can be gracious.
He can be kind.
There is a soul underneath all of the [ __ ] But, he cannot get over his own [ __ ] trauma.
He can't get out of his own [ __ ] way.
And he wants to [ __ ] BPDE [ __ ] into the [ __ ] sunset and I hate that language.
I hate that language.
>> slowly but surely ruin his life.
I've tried to be nice.
I've tried to be polite.
I've tried to be calm.
I've tried everything.
Uh the escape artist with $5. Once again, with the top-tier facial commentary.
Uh the trip with $2. Lauren D Laguna not southern. I don't know.
I've needed to say that for a year.
I've needed to say There's a level of irony in describing a group of a like a archetype of of women by calling them um BPD e-bitches. There's a level of uh irony saying that in a moment where like you are emotionally completely compromised. Bonus means with $10 the tragic irony is Connor is the insane obsessed BPD girl.
Uh he loves Steven so much and is so obsessed with him he's willing to ruin his life to save him, completely unhinged. Yeah, I don't know. There is an irony to like Why are you [ __ ] all these crazy [ __ ] these crazy e-girl [ __ ] Saying that in the middle of um you know we'll call it an episode. I don't know what else to call it. attack Destiny's being is being like and people around him and me are just being constantly I think he truly cares, just a bad time and place. I'm not saying it's not possible that that Connor genuinely like cares, but I just don't think this is I I I really doubt that this was just about Destiny.
I I really [ __ ] doubt it cuz I don't really know how to make sense of the level of emotional investment.
constantly hounded, constantly under attack, and this isn't just like uh people making mean comments on the internet. Like that kind of uh framing of the situation is just wildly Um you're saying hold on, keep listening to this? This is what This is what we call on the internet, I mean like this is just I don't know what other phrase to use, but and it's a phrase that gets used I think a little too much, but this was a bit of a crash out, a little bit of a crash out. And you know what? I'll say this, too.
BPD e-girl, her [ __ ] message to me is Oh my god, please stop. He's never going to talk to me again. Steven casually engages Why would you share that, too?
That's kind of gross. with [ __ ] mentally ill women. Don't like that behavior. Here's a $5.
Appreciate your maturity in these combos. There's something about recovery that really humbles a person. Sober from heroin, fentanyl, and cocaine for 5 years.
Brother, sober from heroin, fentanyl, and cocaine. You've been sober for 5 years.
What a [ __ ] miracle. I'm so happy for you. I just got goosebumps thinking about it, literally. I feel like I need to do a stream where I confess my sins.
I've written down 50 character flaws.
Too much too much glazing. Too much glazing. I'll talk to you if you like.
No, I don't want to talk, Wick.
I don't want to talk.
But what Why Why would I want to talk to you right now?
So you come in and say, "Oh, we shouldn't litigate Destiny's [ __ ] sex life." [ __ ] that.
[ __ ] that.
Destiny's sex life [ __ ] up YouTube and politics.
He [ __ ] that. He hung out with that Nazi [ __ ] He hung out with that [ __ ] Nazi [ __ ] because he wanted a [ __ ] crumb of Nazi [ __ ] And then he took it.
Did he just say Destiny's sex life [ __ ] up which politics? Daz Donny with $5. So that was just wildly inappropriate from Connor right there.
Sh- Yeah, sharing a private message like that of someone that you're saying that you're saying is mentally ill? I don't know. That's a little That's uh pretty pretty gross behavior.
to the [ __ ] Unfuck America events.
He was bringing side [ __ ] to [ __ ] Unfuck America events.
[ __ ] you.
[ __ ] you. You [ __ ] I mean, the sin there is like very That's a very general sin that he's saying is a sin. He brought He had consensual sex with I don't even I I don't What is the charge there?
Did sex with people when he was like traveling? Losers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a pathetic grown man.
Why? Because I won't let my friend [ __ ] endlessly run his goddamn dick into a [ __ ] a broom over and over again. I won't let him jump onto [ __ ] rakes in front of me over and over and over and over again. You won't let him.
I don't know what that means. [ __ ] off.
[ __ ] off.
All you [ __ ] [ __ ] All you [ __ ] [ __ ] Destiny claims he never slept with her, that she paid for herself, and that they never even slept in the same hotel. Got you. Did you try to [ __ ] Southern with a friend? No.
I was single. I just got divorced. I like Lauren. I said, "Hey, are you guys dating? I might ask her out." And he said, "No."
And then I just talked to her as a friend. And then I never asked her out.
Dick watch.
Y'all are so Uh-oh. Y'all are so I don't know how much longer I can watch this. I'm going to be honest with you. I My endurance is wearing thin. Ripped gripper with $5.
Am I wrong or is this quadrupling down on a dog [ __ ] take?
I think we're beyond quadrupling. Visual aspect with $10. Keep in mind Doobie was gassing him up for hours telling him he's the only friend Steven has who's willing to tell him the truth glazing his moral superiority. Got you.
Y'all are so [ __ ] This man is being sued for 15 million dollars.
He has spent 800,000 dollars.
That seems like private information as well.
That's not okay. You should not be sharing private information unless it's public. I don't know, maybe he's public with that. Rice with 5 pounds. Got to remember Connor is obsessed with Christian traditionalism and thinks that casual sex in general is bad.
Okay, I mean because of what he's done with his dick.
And you're saying who cares?
Did Destiny say it publicly? Okay, got you. You guys are really He spent the next 15 minutes banning subscribers. It reminded me of when Azula from Avatar started to crash out and fire everyone. Beyond my I don't You got to use pop culture references that I understand. You guys You guys are literally I don't follow what you're saying. the dumbest Make references to like Martin Scorsese films, you know, or like MCU films.
the dumbest [ __ ] [ __ ] >> No, I think they're talking about Avatar: The Last Airbender, not Avatar, Avatar: The Way of Water, or Avatar: Fire and Ash. Three of the best films of all time. Yeah. on the internet.
Steven's lost $800,000. Is that not a big deal?
Steven's [ __ ] The dumbest [ __ ] [ __ ] on the internet.
Steven's lost $800,000. Is that not a big deal?
Steven's [ __ ] up his relationships with political people. Is that not a big deal?
Steven's lost mainstream opportunities.
Is that not a big deal?
Y'all are bad friends.
Y'all No. All of y'all. No.
>> y'all who are in here are like pocket watching, dick watching. Why do you care? You are horrible. No.
>> You are horrible human beings.
>> It just keeps going.
You're horrible. You're terrible. You would let this man [ __ ] kill himself if it gave you a [ __ ] scrub of entertainment.
>> Jesus.
You're [ __ ] and I'm going to be so happy when you get bored and leave my stream. Jesus Christ. All you [ __ ] sniveling [ __ ] worms.
All you worms in my chat. All you vile, spineless, toothless, virtueless sacks of [ __ ] in my chat right now who would let Destiny do whatever the [ __ ] he wanted to do as long as it entertained you. You would let him kill himself.
You would let him kill himself for your entertainment.
[ __ ] you.
[ __ ] you.
[ __ ] you.
I'm done.
I'm not sweeping for it.
I'm not covering it up.
I'm not [ __ ] sweeping for it.
[ __ ] Boundaries.
Boundaries. This could be WHY YOU NOT ENTERTAIN?
an instructive moment for for the importance of boundaries.
It's not that you let your friends do this or that or this or that. Adult human beings are going to do the things that they do and you know, you can if you're a friend you can >> enough is enough. You you can't you literally you can't stop the people in your life from doing the things that they're going to do.
You know. Uh if someone is on uh if if a friend in your life is doing some self-destructive behavior, which I'm not even Again, I'm not privy to all the details of Destiny's life life, but but just like generally speaking, if I accepted his his his uh general premise here, just for the sake of exploring the topic of boundaries, you can't it's not that it it's a little bit of a red flag to hear someone say like I'm not going to let my friend do X thing if it's like drinking or gambling or whatever. Um that's just not how it works in practice. You can't you don't have the power to like stop people from doing stuff. It just it just doesn't really work that way. You you can like yeah, you can try to do like private intervention stuff or you can you can you can voice your concerns or whatever, but then at at that point it's just about setting like boundaries. Like if if if Destiny's behavior was so impactful for uh Connor emotionally, then what you do is you you just say what you're prepared to live with and what you're not prepared to live with and you know, what uh and if somebody violates your boundary, you you cut them off and you put space there and you know, that's that's what you would normally do. But like just having the mindset of like I'm not going to let this person do this thing. It's like well, uh it's just one of these unfortunate things that you learn, I think, is that you really can't like you really can't control the outcome. It's not really up to you. You can just do your best and show up as a friend, but beyond that, you know. Verdell with $5, you you not watching Avatar: The Last Airbender might have been the worst thing said on stream today. Joke. It's one of the greatest animated shows ever made. A- Esme's the anime fan in this household.
She [ __ ] loves anime.
Fantastic Granny with $5, this is a crash out for the ages. If this story has a happy ending, he takes a break from the internet, comes back, and acknowledges that he's got his own stuff going on. That would be like the most ideal outcome, I think. Connor, you're projecting. Eat a dick.
Bye.
You yelled at your friend and then even listen to him. You know why?
You know why?
Because my friend sexted someone.
Oh, excuse me. Shot homemade with a girl.
Shot homemade to dozens of people.
Met somebody on the internet for 2 weeks and sent them all the homemade and sent them the DMs of him and a woman he loved.
10 days.
That's He got sued for $15 million.
He's down 800,000 in the court case.
And while he was in the middle of a maelstrom in which everybody hated his [ __ ] guts, he thought the best thing to do was to sext the wife of a griper.
A griper who went on to want to kill him.
And join the Telegram group saying that uh saying that they were going to try to kill him.
And then he had the [ __ ] nut sack to come to me to my face and to say, "I know it's Doobie.
I know it's the Snarkers.
I know it's Jay Stack.
I know it's Queenman.
And they deserve to be doxxed and harassed.
They deserve to get kicked off the [ __ ] internet."
>> [snorts] >> No, you don't. What am I looking at? Who is responsible for this monstrosity?
No.
I do need to like I All right, listen.
We're just going to do it.
I'm going to schedule a stream where I talk about my sins.
Can pretend like I'm I'm back in Catholic school and I go into the confessional booth.
I need to just 5 hours talking about my character flaws. Hey, can you hear me? Hey, what's up, man?
>> [laughter] >> Uh you know, living life. Um I uh I was watching you cover this little bit. I was curious how you'd take it. It's pretty based, okay? Your kind of intuition here kind of follows mine, but um I think it I I tried to to tell Connor this um over the last 2 days, but I don't think he was listening to me. Uh but there's like context to all this that I think really should be known.
Um and to be clear, I don't have like uh all the information. I don't have access to the logs or anything like these things, but um uh I do know information, right? That does put a lot of this into context just based on my experiences previously and what's happening to me right now.
Uh that uh it might help not only you, but your audience to kind of understand what's going on. All right, hit me.
>> Um this was a successful op, right?
Um these people turned Connor into a weapon and watched him immolate himself live on air.
Um in order to further I think >> suspect that or do you know that for sure? I suspect it. I suspect it because I'll tell you why. Yeah. So, the other day uh I got wind that Destiny was going to change his rules.
That he was going to start banning anyone who had Dubie in their space.
Okay.
And this is something that people started DMing me, right? And I saw people start talking about it. You know, the same names I usually see, right?
Saying, "Oh, you stood up for Destiny and he's going to kick you out. Ooh, look, Destiny's going to blacklist you. Haha, after all you did, right?" And kind of putting these seeds out there, right? Kind of creating this impression that this was going to happen.
Um I reached out to Destiny.
We had a short, productive talk live on air, right? I said, "Hey, um I'm not comfortable banning someone from my community that hasn't broken the rules, but I understand that you have legitimate concerns. What can we do?"
And we got a compromise. I didn't have to ban anyone from my server. I said, "Okay, well, I'll just let you if you're concerned that my space is being used as like a snarker pep rally, you can come into my space anytime, right? And see what's going on, and I'll give you full access to the VCs and all that, and you can go in and check all you want." Um that way I didn't have to ban anyone.
And he can see if there is snarker pep rallies going on in my server or not. I thought it was a decent compromise, not perfect, but it allowed me to kind of keep my space and keep my rules without um entirely compromising um everything I wanted to do.
So, I know what was happening to me at that time, and how people reacted to me at that time, I suspect they were also doing this to Connor. I suspect they were also in his ear saying, "Ooh, after all you've done, Destiny's going to blacklist you.
Destiny's going to cut you off, man.
He's threatening you. Look, you got to stand up to him. You got to have a spine. You got to have a backbone. He's going to burn you, man. You got You got to take control."
And uh well, it created the situation that we find ourselves in today.
Um that's why I suspect what I did and I I'm I'm pretty confident with my analysis here. What do you think from outside perspective? There's There's things that I know that I can't that I can't like say. Fair.
But let's say Am I Am I Am I Am I close?
I would say I'm I'm vibing with what you're saying. I'm following what you're saying. Yeah.
Uh Uh It It does appear just like publicly just based on like public information that uh their whole thing is is like infiltrating other spaces and then using those spaces as like a proxy fight with Destiny. That that appears to be happening like just out in the open.
And um yeah, the whole thing is just like very dark to me. Like that It I find it all very disturbing.
It's all very dark and disturbing like that level of involvement and emotional investment and uh session and uh To be clear, this is like the the least of it. Um I mean, I I got doxxed, right? And not only me. And I And I talked to him, right? Just to make sure that it was they were okay with with me sharing. I I talked to one last night. Um Uh Tally got doxxed because of her relationship with me and Destiny. Um Stardust got doxxed and she's been on my show a few times, right? Um so they're not just talk like we're not talking just like Destiny and them talking to Destiny. They're talking targeting people associated with Destiny, even very very loosely.
It has been going on for months.
For months.
>> Probably Probably Probably over a year.
At this point. I have no idea. Um but people like Kweiman, people like Jstark and all these people are encouraging and facilitating this behavior. It's not doxing isn't even all of it. It's constant harassment.
I have I have clips of Queenman.
From maybe a year maybe two years ago.
I'm not I'm not sure off top of my head.
Basically painting me as a someone who sexually assaults women.
Yeah, I saw that.
>> Because he found a picture of me right with at at TwitchCon with my arm around a woman or something, right? Um. And painting me as all these things just the most slanderous libelous [ __ ] And this is what they do and they say it's a joke, but this is a constant thing. This is not a joke. They are not This is a motte and bailey they do. They'll pretend it's a joke if they get caught, but they'll treat it seriously if they can. Mhm. And it is insane. These people are insane. And I tried to tell Counter-Points this. I tried to tell Counter this. I tried to be like Bro, like I I don't have a smoking gun for you, but I don't need a smoking gun for you to know that these people are all connected to know to know that all these people are constantly just going through all your data, all your posts, everything. Like right now they're they're watching right now, right? Um.
Hi Destin how you doing? And they're workshopping what to do, what to say, how to spin it, all these things and they're going into communities and they're going into streamers heads and they're getting into your head and it's insane. So for Counter-Points to not even allow us to have that discussion.
And instead he decided to litigate Destiny's sex life? Who the [ __ ] cares about Destiny's sex life?
The trial of Steven Destiny Bonnell and his sexual sins. Yeah.
How was it?
>> not He was very very he was very very emotionally invested in it and and uh it was it was a little uh Well, it's because they primed him.
They primed the pump. They've been feed like they've been spitting in his ear.
They've been uh playing to his suspicions. They've been finding weaknesses and it's a strat and they won last night. Like Counter-Points they this did not have to happen how it happened. I tried to stop it. I tried to calm it down but I failed. Just straight up I failed. Um Well, he got he got activated and once he got activated, I mean Connor, once he got activated there's no you can't really it's hard to talk people down when they're in that kind of a place.
I know. It should not have happened publicly. Like look, that if if they have friendship troubles like that, that should have been a private conversation.
I have no idea why Counter-Points decided to litigate that on a stream. I have no idea.
But that if I have a problem with someone as a friend, um yeah, I don't I don't that's not content. It's something else and uh I don't know man. I'm I'll just say this all is escalating and I don't know how to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
I don't I don't know what to do. Yeah, I don't know either. It's crazy.
I don't know if you can. I mean I'm just Yeah.
You would have to It seems like these guys have have have I mean like the snarkers have like it's it's now they've now assimilated all of this conflict as a like a like a big part of their personalities. Like a big part of their identities. And for as long as that remains true, then I don't think they're going to stop. They're going to keep being obsessed and uh [ __ ] with people that have even like five degrees of separation from uh Destiny or or even people like you or Lonerbox or whatever. Like as long as you you know, yeah.
Yeah, it's it's it's something where it's it's a a very effective thing to continually put out the to flood the zone with [ __ ] and basically say something loud enough, often enough, retweet it, get your friends to retweet it, get your buddies to like it and say variations of that, have uh people react to the streams where it happens and they react to those reacts and all these things to create this like public perception of what's happening that is not based in truth at all. And there's again evidence um that I haven't seen all of to be clear, but I've I've seen enough that I'm I'm very confident that this is a coordinated, purposeful strategy that they're engaging in. And it's cellular meaning that some of them are directly engaged and some of them are indirectly engaged so that they have plausible deniability. And I don't know how to I don't know how to deal with it or fix it, but people have to understand it's happening. And to be clear they've this is they've done it to me like people in DGG who or who have DGG tags will come to me and say, "Well, Destiny actually really hates you. Destiny actually thinks you're really he's making fun of you all the time." And they're trying to drive that wedge, but it's an op, right? It's an op.
Yeah, they um they were they were baiting me for months.
Yep.
They were and I didn't become aware of it until a little mole hit me up. And then it when I saw the level of bait, I felt so [ __ ] stupid.
These guys baited me so many times, bro.
So many [ __ ] times. And it was so coordinated, it was so organized. It's embarrassing. And so now it made me re-evaluate stuff and so now I'm like just [ __ ] suspicious and so Well, yeah. Now that you once you see it, you can't unsee it and it really kind of takes away their power. So, I guess my uh mission at this point because they they've basically [ __ ] declared war on me. They've like if if you are doxing me, if you are putting my family at risk like that, if you are still doing it, right? Um yeah, then my rules of engagement has changed. And uh we are now um in a different sort of I'm not just like going to marketplace of ideas type of deal. Like we are we are we are beyond that and uh yeah.
So. Yeah. My mission now is to just make people aware um and to make as many people aware as possible. And like I said, I I don't have any smoking guns for you. I don't have all the pieces of the puzzle. But you know how when you build a puzzle, there's a point where even if you don't have all the pieces together, you know what you know, it's a you know what it's a picture of. It's a picture of a clown or a zoo or whatever.
>> much of it so much of it happened just right in the open. Like so, you know.
I I think uh yeah, I don't think you need access to the logs to see what was going on there. Um I have to go to the bathroom real quick and then I'm going to finish up the rest of this.
Okay. I'll see you later, man.
>> Yeah, yeah. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. Of course. Bye. Bye-bye.
Uh let's skip to the after conversation.
I don't I don't know I don't want to I don't want to keep watching the Connor stuff. I think we're circling the drain a bit. Can I just say like a quick thing and I like I know it's all the [ __ ] mean to get to everybody, okay? But like it is insane how sociopathic this group of people is to weaponize people that are either having extremely crazy personal life stuff going on, which I don't hold against Connor at all. And listen, we said a lot of [ __ ] mean things in here, but I imagine that right now interpersonally Connor probably has a bunch of [ __ ] going on in his life, okay? I don't even necessarily fault him for it, all right? I think it's really not okay that other people's personal stuff especially don't want out on the internet, okay? But these this community of people is super glad and super I'm to see him wind up. I think it's super [ __ ] based to wind him to [ __ ] him and throw him at me. Uh for everything that he said about Cherry, the reason why I was bringing Cherry up is because Just A Goal and his community, right? Me and Cherry had a decent year, two, three years of friendship or whatever, right?
It The whole friendship, whatever the [ __ ] we had, was generally her having issues, me talking her down, her thinking a whole bunch of people were stalking her, me talking her down, her thinking that a whole bunch of people are setting up crazy opportunities to take a picture me generally talking her down. And this was kind of like the back and forth. And every now and then she would meet to be a It is what it is. It's fine. But once Just A Goal got a hold of her. Once DMs were leaking where Just A Goal was saying like, "Oh, it's okay. I love you.
I love you. I'll be your doctor K." When Just A Goal got his hands on her, it was her obsession with Kyla exploded 50 million times over because President Sunday was happy to see it, Queen Muon was happy to see it, Just A Goal was happy to see it. They brought her on her server on his server almost daily to do hit pieces or videos or to talk about Kyla. They were so [ __ ] happy to wind this woman up until they basically pushed her to the edge of oblivion until her life self-fucking destructed out of nowhere she I I you know Is it an example of it that happened just very, very openly was Connor went on a Queen Muon's stream and uh talked about his divorce.
And the whole conversation is Queen Muon kind of asking him these leading questions. This one here.
Like every question >> it is. was meant to Like it felt like I didn't understand why this conversation was happening. I didn't understand why Connor was like volunteering to have the conversation cuz it was like I don't want to be mean, but it was like uh like a humiliation ritual.
And he he he kept on asking this every question he asked served his I mean Queen Muon served his agenda.
The the snark agenda. Every question. It was not a friend Like they weren't yelling at each other or arguing or insulting each other, but it was not a friendly conversation. And I I just I don't know if Connor picked up on that at all.
Um I don't even want to watch it, but it was like every question was was in in service of like their like narrative, their agenda, you know? Um and they're just they're so clearly trying to infiltrate other spaces to manipulate people. And I'm sure more will more will be revealed on that front at some point. It's just so obviously what's happening.
He's at now he's on some [ __ ] religious trip, but like the fact that these people are so eager and keen to grab these people and then use them and wind them up and [ __ ] destroy them to try to attack me is is [ __ ] crazy. If somebody wants to have some issue with my [ __ ] sex life or whatever, that's fine. I believe these memes go go memes go on for way too long. The idea that somebody would come here and [ __ ] watch me cuz I'm not happy with somebody that I sex or somebody that I hook up with and say, "Well, this is why Duby is running around at 50 million servers arguing why your kids should be doxxed."
I'm sorry, that is just [ __ ] insane to me. And the amount of pivoting and narrative shifting that these people on the left can do because they're so good at mind [ __ ] over Um 2:11 earlier in Connor's stream yesterday, a snarker defends attacking you using your sister in a ridiculous way. I don't Now, I don't even want to watch it. I'm good.
I'm I'll pass.
I think I got the gist of it.
>> these other people and use them is wild to me and it needs to be called out way the [ __ ] more. I agree. That's just true.
>> Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. I just want to Wait. I I don't Wait. I think Hey, shut up. Wait, shut up. Wait, shut up. I Wait, we need to walk. Wait, we need to talk. I want to go talk to Connor. This [ __ ] Wait, go go go. Say it. Say your bit.
Wait, Wick had a conversation with Connor after that? Did Did Wick Did Wick hop on Connor's stream after that? I guess I'll wait for you to Rob's in the plot. Jesus Christ. I wanted to ask Destiny, uh do you think there's anything that could convince Connor otherwise? I feel like like I feel like if he actually understood that, you know, you were getting like doxed and your family threatened or whatever, like I tried, but he said no. Gotcha.
>> like he just doesn't believe that. I just don't get why like like how you could justify otherwise, you know?
Listen, to to be a human being means to crash out sometimes.
Going to happen.
Um It sucks to crash out in like a public way, but I I really do think Connor should stay the [ __ ] offline for like I keep saying it's like the 10th time I've said it, but I cannot stress enough how offline I think it he should be in the next like week or two.
Cuz if you actually did believe that, a whole bunch of these people are saying that like I'm doxing people because they're criticizing me. Like this is the thing and Connor's repeating it. You can You can tell when people start to fight with me who they're beginning their story from. Like when I was fighting with Keemstar and he dropped Yeah, people typically crash out in private.
If you do it publicly, it's just like not fun. Definitely not fun.
Uh maybe it's just me, but they're all circle-jerking each other with one hand and stabbing each other in the back with the other. Holy [ __ ] touch grass.
It's just a It's a level of messiness that I can look at from afar, but I I would never want to be like in this. You know what I mean?
Way too much noise.
>> Drop that. Your white blood cells are coming. Or your um Need to realize you and Wick are the next targets. Bro, that ship is sailed.
Let me tell you what.
They've been targeting me for months.
Uh what was the other thing? He called me a sped. It's like a Keemstar vocabulary word, right? You can see like where the stories are coming from. Like I Again, >> [ __ ] too was crazy, by the way.
>> the Indian racism. It was just also so cringe. I don't even have Indians in my community. And this is like a It's a huge four-channel thing that carried over. Or it might have even come from Keemstar to four-channel and then back to the community. But yeah, the DG Geets thing. Um It's the most annoying thing is What was that?
>> Like I've said this a million times. I don't care if people criticize >> I don't care any of this [ __ ] [ __ ] And people say that I do, but like bro, I put up with more criticism from my community than anything else on the [ __ ] internet compared to any of these other people. It's crazy. These people will audit you the [ __ ] out of their community the micro second they think anything. Like if if Connor thinks that these people are his friends, Connor should go and look see what um what Queman was saying about him I think a week ago when he announced his divorce. When Gistical was going over I don't know if they private the VOD or not. These guys were [ __ ] brutal running through uh Connor going over his his [ __ ] divorce on their stream.
Like it was crazy. It really bro I swear to god I did not pre-watch any of this but yes yes.
It was gross.
It was gross. Like they're uh like they were Queman was using this guy's like deeply personal I don't know and I don't know what I I really I don't know what motivates Connor. I don't know how he sees that interaction but it was [ __ ] so gross.
Ew. It was gross. It's like the same meaning talking about like you don't let anybody challenge you. And it's like I had the most open Discord. Bro, some of my like most adamant anti-fans are people who like challenged me a ton and then eventually we had like I guess a [ __ ] falling out for whatever [ __ ] reason but like Mr. Girl was arguing with me almost [ __ ] daily in my Discord and then [ __ ] like all of these people. What do you mean I don't confront people talking to me. Meanwhile on his I know that Connor knows what Queman says but I mean like I don't think he understood in the conversation he was having with Queman that it was like a humiliation ritual is what it was. That's how I It was just like it was not nice. It was not a nice conversation. This is why generally don't think it's a great idea to uh I don't know. I would yeah. I It was just to me it was gross. Um Sato, thanks so much for 7 months.
Appreciate it. He said Gistical is like I'll never talk to Destiny. I'm not going to talk to him. It's epic not to talk to him. I'm like how how do I have this [ __ ] reputation?
The irony is to me on the other side of that too is that all of these people have had even like a fraction of what like your personal life is on the internet. If any of these people had a fraction of that put on blast in front of everyone Wait wait wait.
I I I just I just want to say real quick um from my perspective at the very least the doxing isn't even the same. Like for example when Destiny doxes it's like a face doxes or it's like um like I don't even know if there's like a name doxes. I think yes, I think name doxes um does happen. But the thing is is that like So when that doc drops, it can expose them or not? I mean, they know what's in those logs. Like they they know what's in those logs. They can try to downplay the coordination, the relentless harassment. They can try to downplay that all they want, but you know, they know what's in those logs.
There's a reason they're not just releasing the logs. when orbiters from Destiny's orbit gets doxes, it's their phone number, it's their email, it's their address, it's like everything.
Like the doxing level isn't even like similar.
Yeah, the reality is I kind of tried to get to this other day, but people's brains are broken on doxing. Doxing in and of itself like doesn't matter. The the thing is what people do with the doxes why people don't want to be doxes, right? It's like a person knowing your location doesn't matter. It's the fact that they could show up and [ __ ] kill you or whatever, right? So like you have to look at the propensity for people who are fighting with people to do, you know, whatever it is you're worried about. So on their side, and I know that Dubie, I think is running around saying this, and I think he even said it to Wiki, might have said it to Connor.
People say these things where it's like, "Yeah, the DGGers are harassing us all the time." Who? What harassment? Nobody has done literally [ __ ] anything.
Nothing has happened to any of these people, and they're acting like, you know, them having a name posted is literally the end of the [ __ ] world.
At like meanwhile, yeah, I mean, obviously on my side, like not even just me, but like I've shown DMs of like real life friends of Heather that have gotten harassed on Instagram and Heather's employers contacted and [ __ ] Like like the idea that isn't even remotely the same. I don't know where they get this idea from.
I tried to ask him where he was getting the information from, and he misheard me, and it was really cringe, but yeah.
I don't I also don't like this weird bomb, and these people do it when they when they have like their the myths of me. Is it like, "Okay, why do you hate Destiny right now?" And it's like, "Okay."
14 years ago, there was this girl named Blue T. Oops.
Uh 6 years ago, there was this girl named Anavoir.
3 years ago, um there was this girl named I was like, "What the [ __ ] are we doing here? Is this what we're doing?" I have like the >> I thought y'all were chill like 2 weeks ago. Like, how did Did it start because of the stalker stuff?
I thought y'all were like chill and fine after the lawsuit. The issue was that like the microsecond I I I can't do this. Like, if I ask for any [ __ ] Are you guys hearing a voice in the left speaker? I keep hearing a voice pop up my left speaker. If I ask for basically anything, it's like nuclear meltdown mode. Part and I know it sounds like I'm being a gaslighter and say, "Well, this is my fault." cuz I suck at Did you ask Did you ask him on stream first or did you ask it publicly in that Discord call with Wig?
For I I don't about the doobie stuff?
I I saw I saw I saw I saw. Did you ask him on stream? I don't think I asked anything yet. I think I mentioned it and then I think he said he wanted to have a talk on Up the dosage, big bro.
What am I on now?
40 mg of Vyvanse?
I think it's a moderate.
Yeah, 40. I think that's like right in the That's like on the low end of what they give adults.
Not the dosage we talking about? Then I don't know what you're talking about. on stream. So, I think we ended up talking about it on stream.
It could because low key like when you're like having these conversations and like people are arguing back with you Can you vape Vyvanse? Um Vyvanse is slow release. That's what makes it Vyvanse. And it's not even that they have to engineer it to be slow release. It's the way that As I understand, I'm not an expert. The way that uh Vyvanse is processed in your body, it's your body's reaction to the drug that makes it slow release. So, My understanding is like Ritalin, I think you take it and it's it's something that has acute effects for like 4 or 5 hours or something like that. With Vyvanse, it's like 12 or 14 hours.
I think. So, you can vape it, but I don't I don't know if it's going to I don't know if it would give you like an immediate like high or whatever.
Um Are you medicating to be your best self or are you doping? I take exactly what I am prescribed.
I do not abuse uh Vyvanse.
See, your chat's kind of like kind of mean as [ __ ] >> And it's not like it it doesn't The first few days of taking it, I'm not going to lie. That [ __ ] feels kind of euphoric. The first few days, you're like, "Oh my god, I can do so much.
Feels so good." And then after 3 days, you don't really get that euphoria. It's just No, it's just it helps you lock in. Okay. So, I mean, like if he's like sperging, It does absolutely get you high. Well, I don't know what kind of drugs you've done, but this [ __ ] does not get me high. It's just Uh you're just more focused. I don't know what to I don't know what to say.
Confirmation with $2.
The righteous will succeed.
It's probably just cuz Chat was probably mean as hell.
And then like afterwards and then it just kind of escalates from there. I mean, like if you're asking for stuff that's like if you like message him privately and said like, "Hey dude, this guy's like trying to ruin my life." and it was a conversation you kept on. Uh take four at a time, Hutch. I promise you it will get you high. How about no?
I'm good.
>> Privately, it probably wouldn't have happened that way like Rick was saying earlier, but because it kind of went public and then everyone else is kind of like do you know? Like bullying him?
>> I would have been the clear MVP, which honestly I think I was, of Old Men of Optic, if I had a Vyvanse prescription back in the Old Men of Optic days. Oh my god, I would have locked the [ __ ] in. I was already, statistically speaking, the clutchest player on the team. I just I had more two b one or one b two one b three one b four clutches than anyone.
The statistics speak for themselves.
The numbers are the numbers.
I understand what you're saying. It's just like um I'm trying to think if you've I feel like you probably dealt with this to some extent like I have. Actually you have with [ __ ] probably with [ __ ] Merc. Melina dude even the Melina stuff because you defended Melina and I had to deal I was like bro am I [ __ ] I thought I was [ __ ] insane. I was like this [ __ ] is not even defending me and then he's also calling me a Hold on wait wait wait wait. Firstly I didn't defend Melina. I just didn't take sides on that, okay? Are you talking about the dog thing? Oh come on. Yeah but you don't Yeah but then you were like but but then but then I was like but but then afterwards cuz she was like downplaying the [ __ ] out of it. I was like this [ __ ] isn't going to [ __ ] sit here and downplay me like and that's why I started like making fun of her a little bit and you're like okay well Darius is doing too much. I'm going to have I understand you had to do it because it's like cuz it's like that's her wife. So like I'm not like mad at you.
Sorry I typed that out and then immediately remembered you're in recovery.
You're not going to you're not going to it's not people get weird around addicts and alcoholics that stopped drinking or doing drugs. People get weird around that stuff.
They think that if you say the wrong thing the person is going to go out and like get loaded or whatever and that's just not how it works at all. Uh it's not like your manchurian like It's like manchurian candidate, you know, you say the word like whiskey and all of a sudden an uncontrollable urge to uh get loaded just takes over. That's not That's not really how it works. you but like >> Maybe in the first like [ __ ] few days of recovery, I don't know. The chat was like literally calling me like a [ __ ] like stalker weirdo that was like trying to like not Melina but like was being weird as [ __ ] to her for like a minute and I was like what the [ __ ] am I doing? Oh >> here? Right right right. It's not I don't really know what level I I all of this is so far over my head that I can't I literally can't even follow it. So um I think we got the gist of it. I was planning on watching the FD Signifier Bad Empanada Chat uh today, but but we just don't really have time for that cuz I got to get some some other stuff before I make dinner later. I've already said all that I can say on this topic. I think you guys know how I feel.
Uh thank you guys for donating and subscribing and gifting memberships and it was it was kind of insane today. I appreciate it.
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