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[00:00:00]them and ordered them to surrender to the Brooklyn police station. The generals say they arrived with legal representation, but Idec officials failed to show. Nkosi Khona Malinda Ngesi reports.

[00:00:12]>> Kumalo's legal team argue that Idec has shown disregard for constitutional principles and is using prosecutorial powers to settle political scores. Their statement highlights section 179 of the constitution which requires prosecutorial independence without fear, favor, or prejudice. The lawyers claim Idec's actions have already caused reputational damage, emotional trauma, and professional prejudice effectively condemning their clients in the court of public opinion before any trial. They further warn that Idec's pursuit of high-profile cases for publicity risks undermining public confidence in the justice system. They've also called on the national director of public prosecutions to intervene, review Idec's conduct, and ensure that prosecutorial decisions are made fairly and independently. In closing, the generals' legal team reserved their right to seek recourse for what they describe as an abuse of power and miscarriage of justice. KZN police chief Ntandane Khumalo Ngesi also appeared at the station alleging he too was meant to be handcuffed in what he calls a preemptive move after claims the generals wanted to arrest Idec officials. Or see Khona Malinda Ngesi, eyewitness news.

[00:01:24]>> Police ballistics expert Lawrence Maqubela has been granted bail. The Pretoria Magistrate's Court has ruled that Maqubela has shown that his release would not interfere with his upcoming trial. The senior forensic officer was arrested last month on allegations that he tampered with two high-profile murder investigations. One of those cases involved Vuyani Ngingi engineer Armen Swart who was killed in an alleged case of mistaken identity. Al-Faro Mashwana reports.

[00:01:52]>> Captain Lawrence Maqubela is accused of being an accessory after the fact in the murder of three innocent engineer Armin Swart. The state alleges that after receiving ballistic evidence from Swart's murder scene, the senior forensic officer compiled false ballistic findings and weakened the murder investigation. Furthermore, when Mkhothlo was arrested at his home, police found 43 rounds of live ammunition and 28 ballistic reports in his position. Delivering his bail judgment, Magistrate Johannes Kruger says there are no suggestions that Mkhothlo's release on bail would interfere with his upcoming trial.

[00:02:25]>> The court is satisfied that the applicant has discharged the onus resting upon him. Accordingly, the court is in the applicant is entitled to be released on bail pending the finalization of this matter subject to suitable conditions to be determined by the court.

[00:02:39]>> Mkhothlo's family and friends filled the public gallery as the court delivered his bail ruling. Alpha Ramushwana, Eyewitness News, Pretoria.

[00:02:50]>> Tainted KZN Hawks boss Lesetja Senona has told the Mdlanga Commission that he was taken out of his office at gunpoint upon his suspension. Senona has returned to the hot seat of the commission to continue with his testimony today. He has been placed at the center of several controversies including the multi-million rand theft of drugs from the Hawks' Port Shepstone office in 2021. Senona has told the commission about his suspension claiming when his state gadgets were being taken, important documents were also taken from him.

[00:03:23]>> I was taken out of my office like somebody I don't know for lack of a better word, like a dog.

[00:03:31]And that thing is still a pain here.

[00:03:33]And it caused me to lie in hospital for 2 weeks.

[00:03:37]Now, I'm telling the commission here to to to to show certain implication. I'm not requesting for any mercy, but I want to assist this commission.

[00:03:48]>> Anelile River crime activist has raised concerns about what he describes as a growing culture of residents running towards gunfire instead of seeking safety. A warning message circulated on a community WhatsApp group yesterday urged residents to remain indoors and avoid certain parts of the area. The message was shared following an alleged smash and grab incident that claimed the life of an EMS worker. Community crime activist Steve Ross says the warning was necessary as residents including young children often rush towards the scene of shootings to see exactly what's happening.

[00:04:24]>> You wouldn't believe that the community including children as young as five or six was a running towards where the sound came from. And for me that was the most shocking thing to observe that nobody runs away from where the sound is. They actually stormed through alleyways to actually go see who shot and who shooting.

[00:04:42]>> And in Tokyo, an investigation is underway into the cause of a fire which broke out at an elementary school. 10 people including children were injured in the blaze this morning. All learners and staff were evacuated and the blaze was extinguished after around 3 hours.

[00:04:58]Officials say most of the 10 injured suffered from smoke inhalation. One witness told local media how children escaped out of windows to a concrete concrete ledge below rather before fire crews brought them to safety using ladders.

[00:05:15]Gold is trading at $4,164.67 an ounce. The rand is at 16.49 to the dollar, 21.81 to the pound, 18.89 to the euro and Brent crude oil is at $79.88 a barrel.

[00:05:32]>> Well, at this stage in Boksburg heading towards Benoni there's an accident scene on the N12 eastbound. This is near Atlas Road causing heavy delays all the way from Rondebult Road. Also in Amalgam heading into the Johannesburg CBD there's slow moving traffic on Main Reef Road approaching Church Street.

[00:05:49]>> It's a partly cloudy afternoon in Howding today. Temperatures have peaked at highs of between 16 and 19°. The top story in EWN, lawyers for two top crime intelligence officers have described a so-called failed arrest operation by the Investigating Directorate against corruption as deplorable.

[00:06:09]>> EWN, >> [music] >> in touch, in tune, and independent. For the latest, visit ewn.co.za or download the EWN app.

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[00:07:39]>> 8 minutes after 1:00. Welcome to 702 afternoons with me, Relebogile Mabota.

[00:07:44]Happy, happy Friday on this 19th of June. Yo, guys, I'm so relieved this week is over, especially cuz the weather is dictating we must be indoors with something to cuddle up and watch. It's a Friday, so I'm going to be telling you guys where to go eat, and then who to listen to, and then who you need to be watching and be motivated by. We're going to kick off with the food feature.

[00:08:07]We're joined by Mashed Up Eatery, and we're going to be meeting the founder and director of Mashed Up Eatery. Then we have Unplugged on 702 afternoons.

[00:08:15]We're going to be joined by contemporary R&B singer, songwriter, and a natural entertainer, and truly get the weekend ready. Then we wrap up with the ever so multi-award-winning South African filmmaker, producer, director, and entrepreneur, Mr. Manga, and I'm so looking forward to that chat. Get in touch with us on 011 883 0702. SMS us 31702. Tweet at Relebogile M at Radio 702 using the hashtag 702 afternoons, and the WhatsApp line 072 702 1702.

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[00:09:00]>> Food feature time on 702 afternoons, and I'm so excited today because once in a while, I know we like fancy restaurants, guys, the white tablecloths and the napkins. But sometimes you need that meal that you're not allowed to eat in a car. You know that meal, the one that makes a mess, that has you licking even your your wrists because everything is spilling out, and that's what today is all about. I'm so excited. So, wait-to-be-based business, Mashed Up Eatery, is what we're talking about.

[00:09:31]They brought us some interesting quarters, a spread. And when I say she remixed it, I think it's a bit of an understatement, but I'm so happy to welcome Nondwenhle Dinizulu on the show.

[00:09:43]How are you doing?

[00:09:44]>> I'm lovely really really >> It's okay.

[00:09:49]I'm so glad you're able to come through and I I mean I was telling you off air but I need to reiterate that when food feature guests come to the show, they actually come and prepare food for us and it it is a lot for small businesses and the little we can do is tell everybody about it after we've gotten an opportunity to sample the food and actually showcase it and if you guys want to see what the food looks like, please head over to all of our social media channels. We always post the food and we tag the business. So go and support them. So Mashed Eatery, I want to find out from you Nondwenhle, like is this is food what you always wanted to do?

[00:10:33]>> I believe that I have a hand in it, right? And and making food is something that's soulful. It should always come from the heart. And initially I did study at UJ Soweto campus. So I am a certified chef.

[00:10:46]>> For real, these?

[00:10:47]>> Yes, but worked in corporate for the longest time.

[00:10:50]>> I didn't even know that UJ offered anything. Every time I hear about chefs training, they're going to the hotel schools and the the chef schools. So Tell me more.

[00:11:02]>> So it was I think after after high school, I wanted to go and study broadcasting and my dad's like, "That is not a career."

[00:11:09]And he's like, "I've got something better for you." Because I think he realized that I had a flair for it and I was just natural with baking and always was cooking for the whole family and you know, I jumped into it. At first, you know, I didn't quite warm up to it especially when you had to do the costings and all that jazz, but you know, not understanding that in the long run, it would be highly beneficial. So I I that's where I, you know, I able to hold my my talent and I fell in love with it. So now when I don't go to the shop, I'm not okay.

[00:11:38]>> Yes. Yes. So in terms then of when you were younger, I mean, when did you realize you have a knack for what you're doing cuz it's one thing to be in the kitchen lining up to get your plate of food. It's another thing where you want to be there when it's being made. If you want to be a part of the process and you genuinely enjoy that.

[00:12:00]>> I think for me it's a matter of my family. They push me. They always like, "We're waiting for you." Nothing is going to happen if I'm not there. And my mom who's also here today and my sister, they were just like, "We're going. We're going. We're going."

[00:12:11]>> The whole gang is here.

[00:12:13]>> Mitchell and Mitchell, you know, so I I I think they always need my food.

[00:12:18]When something is is your calling, people are going to tell you that it's your calling or what you do is going to teach you based on how they consume it that it's your calling. And I just fell in love and I've been doing it since.

[00:12:29]>> But now when you finish school, you did the studying thing, when did the reality hit you that this was not something that you went into immediately because I know there many graduates who finish what it is that they've done, come time to enter the job market, they realize, "Okay, maybe there aren't opportunities or they're like I know I've been studying this but this is not actually what I want to be doing."

[00:12:53]>> Uh you know, you hit the nail on the head. And what I realized is that the opportunities weren't equal across the board when it came to getting jobs after we graduated because we did go into work integrated learning. I mean, I did mine in Durban and I came back to Johannesburg and applied everywhere and couldn't get a job. And my first job >> So just wait. So the the part of Durban, was it like a hotel? What was it that you were doing with the integrated learning?

[00:13:21]>> It was it was a hotel. It was I don't know if I can name drop.

[00:13:24]>> Yes, you can.

[00:13:25]>> Caban a Beach. I was working at Cabana Beach. It's a timeshare resort.

[00:13:28]>> Yes.

[00:13:28]>> So >> Oh, I spent many childhoods at Cabana [laughter] in Umhlanga. Yes. Okay, so you were there, which is obviously a different style of you know, if you're doing breakfast buffet, it's pretty much the same thing almost every day.

[00:13:42]>> True.

[00:13:44]And I didn't I wasn't crazy about it. I think I enjoyed Durban because of the vibe more than about the job itself because that that's a tireless job. You don't get time to rest. The food industry and the hotel industry is just on the ball all the time. That's what they don't tell you.

[00:14:00]>> Um I I feel like if you live in hotels and you know because you also want to be able to at 2:00 a.m. say, "Can I have this in my room?" So there is that level of appreciation. So when you did come back and maybe paint the reality regarding opportunities in the industry having experienced it yourself, what are the type of places you're applying to and what responses were you getting?

[00:14:27]>> I was applying everywhere. I was applying um big at your Southern Sun, big hotels at the time they were still, you know, restaurants. I was actually offering my services for free at some point to restaurants at your Sandton and I was like, "Listen, take me on." But they kept telling you experience. But also as a black child, it was it was not in in my favor. As much as there was a lot of transformation that was being spoken about, it wasn't actively being enforced. And we realized that most of the the our our peers who graduated with us were the ones who were more on the on the white side and the blacks never never did it. You either start your own thing, which you couldn't because you don't have capital. So there were a lot of odds stacked up against us until I eventually, you know, applied and I got a corporate job. But even there it was doing admin.

[00:15:17]>> Which is not even what you studied for.

[00:15:19]Sure. Um um, we do need to take a break, but when we come back, I want to actually have that real conversation, especially in the food business, that who you know counts, yeah, because it does make a difference. As As secondly, capital. Money, guys, let us not underestimate the power of money. Some people are not necessarily better business people, they just had the right contacts in their phone book and the right amount of money in their bank account to make things happen. So, when we come back, we continue talking mashed up eatery.

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[00:19:00]>> 702 >> Food feature >> 20 minutes after 1:00 and we continue with our food feature. We're talking messed up eatery with Nondumiso and your calls on 011 883 0702 and the WhatsApp line 0727021702.

[00:19:16]Um we have really been uh uh chatting about Mngadi's background and introduction into um the food uh space, but now more the realities of what it all comes with um when you've done this passion of yours and now you're trying to enter the job market and the opportunities are not there. So, something you said um around, you know, the black kids back then transformation was challenging because it's not necessary it might have been policy by mouth, but what happens in real life is is something else. Um when you were saying that the white kids were getting opportunities, do you think it's because of they know somebody who knows somebody or do you think it's because of access to finances? Like what do you think the actual thing is? Cuz I would imagine it's possibly the part of connections where I know for a fact that if my child wanted to do something, I'll be making phone calls and that in itself is a privilege. Is that what you experienced?

[00:20:18]>> I definitely believe that that's the case um because wealth allows you opportunity to a lot of doors that you may not be able to open if you don't have funds. Um you know, and and more than color or at least nowadays, it's more than just a color thing. It's because black people are also moving into a higher financial bracket, which means they're able to afford more opportunities because of the people that they know within their circles and what money can buy.

[00:20:47]So, I think that's that's the the way it I've seen it change over the years.

[00:20:53]>> So, now you went into corporate doing an admin role, which I'm assuming at that point it was all about survival.

[00:21:01]>> True.

[00:21:02]>> What was the biggest or let me say what are some of the important things you learned from that part of your journey cuz I don't think it was for nothing.

[00:21:11]>> Oh no, it definitely wasn't. Um but even there I I think I felt it it what's in the textbook and what you take out of varsity is not what happens in the real world and it stretched me because you got to deal with people who probably who mostly weren't educated but were sitting at the highest position but because of the the color of their skin as well. So even there I got to encounter that but it also stretched me to say there's certain sacrifices that you sacrifices that you need to make. You have to work hard. You have to push. You have to prove your way into a better level or a a better financial place in the work space. So um it taught me a lot of things and it made me the person that I am to believe that I could one day, you know, run my own thing.

[00:21:57]>> Yes.

[00:21:58]>> Yeah.

[00:21:58]>> When you um um and maybe you can chat to us about what the journey in corporate was like for you, especially if you're a person feeling like you're not where you're supposed to be. Cuz I'm imagining the many people listening who are in in the meantime jobs hoping to be living their their dream lives.

[00:22:20]>> You know, funny you say that. I never felt I always used to color outside the lines in the words of O. I never fitted in to the whole corporate culture because there's a corporate culture and you know, I had I had bosses who pick on me because I have a particular way that I like to do things. I'm a creative and uh I never wanted to just confine and I was frustrated 90% of the time because I'm not a I can sit in front of a computer and work because I want to do work but I don't want to be forced to do the work and the pressures that that that um that environment just gave me and the frustration, the pain um it was wasn't worth it for me, you know? Um until until I got retrenched, of course, and then I was like, "Okay, maybe this is my This is my way." But I I encountered more and more abuse, but also, if you're not a a bimbo, if I were to put it that way, you will struggle because they they they are bosses who want you to confine to how they do things. And I think I got bullied a lot in the workplace to a point where by a number of bosses, my mom will tell you. I actually melted down on so many occasions where I was like, I I'm not going to do this. Three jobs back-to-back, and then I'm encountering the same thing. Clearly, this is just not my space.

[00:23:30]>> Mhm. And and um I'm sure many people listening are feeling touched on their studios because what you're saying is resonating, and I don't think it's just corporate culture. I think it's capitalism culture. It's hierarchy culture where it's about the titles and um who feels in charge versus what's the What's the quickest way to solve this issue? So, when I'm coming with your clever creative ideas, stop up.

[00:23:56]Actually, sit back, relax. This is how we've been doing things, you know? Um I I I kind of feel like um I can really connect to the part of you like what you say, being a creative.

[00:24:10]Um what then made you know, after all these years, because as creatives, we eventually want to move, we want change, we want something exciting. What made you know that this is something that you're not going to outgrow?

[00:24:23]>> I didn't know that.

[00:24:25]>> [laughter] >> I really I think um it was taking the plunge.

[00:24:30]You know, when when you you sit there and you're used to having money, and then I think I I was 2 years out of a job, and I was just like vibing out. I was like, "Okay, well, my parents are taking care of me." I was fine, but there came a time cuz I've got kids as well.

[00:24:43]>> Listen, guys, her mom is in studio nodding her head saying, "I was taking care of this one now, Vuyiswa."

[00:24:50]>> [laughter] >> She was vibing, Kim Koko Mela. Listen, what a blessing, right, to be able to have a home to go to.

[00:24:58]So, raw level come, Mama.

[00:25:03]>> [laughter] >> So, you you you took that time and then you eventually took the plunge. What was the original vision for Mashed Up Eatery compared to what it is today?

[00:25:13]>> You know, because I am a chef. I wanted to be I am a personal chef. I do private cheffing.

[00:25:19]>> Oh.

[00:25:20]>> So, you can call me to your house because you don't want to cook. You can call me and be like, this is what I want to eat. I charge you for my time and I charge you and I don't cook with those low-cost ingredients. I give you zaganga.

[00:25:34]>> [laughter] >> The posh-posh.

[00:25:36]>> Yes, A-grade and I think >> Not mangamanga business.

[00:25:39]>> No, no, no. That's the problem with me.

[00:25:42]I've got Woolies taste buds. So, because if I don't enjoy it, I you're not going to enjoy it. So, I was I'm always fussy about that and I think um >> And no shade to all the other spots.

[00:25:52][laughter] I get exactly what she means when she says Woolies taste buds. We know because you can go to a market and also get fresh amazing ingredients. So, um the personal chef part is the one part which I'm sure you get excited if if a client says to you, I want um please prepare meals for the week, something fishy, something this. You're going to have so much fun, especially cuz you know, oh and there's a child in the house. I'm going to make shapes with I feel like you flourish. When now it comes to servicing people in your hood, Gogas.

[00:26:24]You also wait to tell us about that.

[00:26:27]>> So, the shop is in Klipspruit, right?

[00:26:29]And I'm a child of Orlando West living obviously in the north currently.

[00:26:34]And Yes.

[00:26:39]Everyday.

[00:26:40]>> [laughter] [clears throat] [laughter] >> And it's frowned upon, but I I realize a lot of business people in Soweto do that. That is their life. But, you know, I I had this because, you know, if you've gone to gone to, you know, the the white schools all your life and then now you get to kasi. And I didn't I was never really never really a kasi person. We never mingled with the hood.

[00:27:09]And now I was thrown deep burner inside and I'm like, "Okay, great. I'm going to make this." I brought nice menu. I was like, "Ooh, I'm going to have my lasagnas and my fancy stuff." Nobody bought. I swear I didn't even make 50 rand in the first like 3 months. I was so depressed. I'm like, "No one's buying this food." And they're like, "You must drop your prices." And I'm like, "But how?"

[00:27:29]Because I know I did food costing and I almost cost the menu. You must make your profit and whatever. But they're not consuming it because they can't afford because the market is just all wrong.

[00:27:40]So, which is when I started, you know, the kotas. No one taught me how to make those kotas. I tasted and I tried stuff and I'm like, "I like the latest. I like this." And I built them up to, you know, to the recipe that I I I I think the the the customers are now starting to fall in love with.

[00:27:54]>> So, are you in love with kotas now?

[00:27:56]>> Oh, sana. Every day I'm within the kotas.

[00:28:00]>> No, I love the story especially because outside of affordability, it just goes to show that the market is going to tell you exactly what it wants. So, if Wena, you make the best lasagna, it doesn't matter. No one Kook Lips Read is trying to buy that lasagna. So, where can people find Mashed Up Eatery?

[00:28:18]>> So, Mashed Up Eatery is based at number 15 Mookwena Street uh in Kliptown Soweto. It's just behind Maponya Mall.

[00:28:25]So, when you're walking out of the small gate or close to where I'm only on the main road, uh if you're coming from Nike Stadium, you turn right. If you're coming from the hostel, you turn left or vice versa. Yes.

[00:28:37]>> And so you guys know, neh, it's not just kotas. Kunal stew, Kunal dombolo. She is even taking your atjars and making them rosemary basil.

[00:28:49]>> Yeah. Here she is giving the pub quality wings, quality drumsticks. There's so many options and then she even has something called a lucky star quarter.

[00:28:59]Please tell us about the LUCKY STAR QUARTER.

[00:29:01]>> YES, YOU know what to You know what's so funny is that I've been going into these programs, right? So last year I did the delicious traders academy because you have to extra yourself as an entrepreneur. This year I joined the lucky star entrepreneurship program, entrepreneurship program and then we jumped on. So they're actually helping people think or we've all thought that they're going to give us money. Yay, so I can build whatever, buy stock. It's really not about that. It's about them walking you through what it takes to build a business, being compliant. I didn't even have a tax clearance until recently. So now I can apply for funding. So so many things that they that the lucky star program taught us.

[00:29:39]So now they got I've got a menu and it's actually for my umbrella weeks or for good days because my lowest priced one is like 25 rand and it's good stuff.

[00:29:47]>> Guys, please go and try it out and if you are not a pork person, good news for you. All of her quarters are pork free because she's allergic but also she's running away from that swine.

[00:29:59]Thank you so so much. Mashed up Eatery, find them on the socials. We're going to be posting all of the pictures and I wish you the best, mama.

[00:30:07]Mama, welcome lot.

[00:30:09]Welcome lot. This business can only go further.

[00:30:12]Thank you so much.

[00:30:14]>> Thank you.

[00:30:17]>> It's just after 1:30, time for your latest Eyewitness News headlines. Good afternoon, Mbali. What is happening with the NPA?

[00:30:23]>> Thanks, Relebogile. Good afternoon.

[00:30:24]Well, the NPA says the release of police ballistics expert Lawrence Maquthu on bail today does not mean that he is innocent. The Pretoria Magistrate's Court granted Maquthu 15,000 rand bail today after almost a month behind bars.

[00:30:39]He is accused of sabotaging two high-profile murder investigations, one of which is that of the engineering engineer Armand Swart. Lawyers for two