This video explores how constitutional interpretation and government accountability are central to democratic governance, examining the tension between executive power and judicial oversight through discussions of the 14th Amendment, Supreme Court authority, and law enforcement practices. The debate highlights that constitutional interpretation requires careful analysis of legal texts, historical context, and established precedents, while government accountability depends on transparent enforcement of constitutional protections regardless of political affiliation.
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Added:Good morning everybody. This is the Oscar Quinton debate show where I talk to people on TikTok about politics and related topics. Uh what's the news today? I don't know. I slept in today. I didn't sleep well. Um so we'll see if I do a good show today. If you're watching this after the fact on YouTube, there'll be a pinned comment that'll tell you when the calls start and uh you can go to the description to find all of the call times for the oppositional calls.
Yesterday we had a hard time finding a caller. We had Oh, maybe not today.
We're going to start the show talking to James Lewis. Um, and uh, we're going to see how old he is and see if this is a good call. How old are you?
>> 51.
>> 51. You support Trump?
>> Yes, I do.
>> Why is that?
>> Why don't you support Trump? What's his stat?
>> Uh, I think that it's really important for the president to follow the Constitution and he's really dropping the ball on that.
>> What What is he breaking in the Constitution?
>> He's like filing >> fact, not feelings with fact, not feelings. What is he breaking in the con? a bunch of stuff. But to give an example, as a matter of fact, he filed executive order 14160 that offered his interpretation of the 14th Amendment.
Even though the Supreme Court has already ruled that it applies to the children of undocumented immigrants, he said it doesn't. That's unconstitutional.
>> No, it's not.
>> Okay.
>> Where was the 14th Amendment? Where was the 14th Amendment written?
>> Where in America in 1868?
>> No [ __ ] Where is it placed? after the 13th amendment >> between the 13th and 15th which applied directly to slaves. Right.
>> Okay. And and the Supreme Court court did clarify that later. As I just mentioned, they did they have ruled that it does apply to the >> I I don't care what the Supreme Court did. I know.
>> Then you're not American. If you don't care what the Supreme Court did, then you're the same problem as the president. You don't respect the Constitution. You don't respect the rules of the country.
>> The Supreme Court The Supreme Court's higher than the president, right?
>> Uh in terms of constitutional matters, absolutely. Yes, they are.
>> No, they're not.
>> Yes, they are.
No, they're not.
>> You know where it says that they are.
The >> Supreme Court cannot protect the United States of America.
>> You you you do understand that when it comes to >> you understand the Supreme Court can't protect the United States of America >> from what?
>> If there's a war, who do you go to?
Supreme Court or the president?
>> I don't think that's relevant to the what we're talking about. We're talking >> relevant.
>> I don't think so. I think I think we're talking about Whose job is it to interpret the Whose job is it to interpret the Constitution?
>> The Supreme Court. But it's skewed.
>> Okay. But it is their job, right? I I when you said, "Is the Supreme Court higher than the president?" The chat's pointing out that they're supposed to be Excuse me. You're interrupting. You're You're [ __ ] >> Yeah, you can levy insults because it seems to be that I understand the civics of this country and you don't. But I'm just going to address the fact >> I'm 51 years old. You're just a little cuck [ __ ] in his mom's basement who has who does nothing but sit on TikTok. So suck the dick, dildo boy.
>> All right. Anyway, uh we're going to continue the convers. Okay. Goodbye, James Lewis. He got we he got some big feelings about the how the Constitution works. Uh thank you Katie for the $5 YouTube super chat. Going after political opponents is first amendment violation. Yeah. Yeah. I could I mean there's so many examples, but you know, uh anyway, thanks everybody for for for for hearing that, you know, obviously very educational and valuable conversation with a constituent of Donald Trump. Clearly, they're they're a wise bunch who are really articulate and good at making their points. Um, and they definitely never resort to personal insults when they get cornered in a conversation. Never. Wouldn't dream of it. I'm going to thank Matt who sent me $115 on Venmo overnight. I spoke with him briefly on Instagram and it was just it was just one of those nice little chats where he really believes in what I'm doing. So, he essentially paid for like cost of operation for the show for a day. Um, so like big [ __ ] W's for Matt. Um, W Matt for sending me $115 on Venmo, you know, just from seeing me on Instagram. was, you know, it's always kind of nice, like it feels a little special when somebody's like watching a short on their phone and they decide to go like to Venmo and like help me out running the show. Um cuz, you know, it's one thing for me to sit here and tell you guys that you can go to Linkree in my bio and support the show in that way or support it for free by following me on the other platforms. Um you know, that's all that's all I mean, you know, every every little bit of help is is important to keeping the show running.
But, you know, I just got to I just got to give that extra shout out to people who really go out of their way both in terms of the amount and just, you know, I wasn't sitting there live in front of them. They just wanted to support what I'm doing. They feel like conversations like the one you just witnessed are maybe important. And I do think that conversations like the one we just witnessed are important. I think it's educational that Trump supporters don't know or care how the Constitution works.
They don't know how the country works.
They don't know any of this [ __ ] Sigma Alpha Beast asks me if I'm a liberal. I think the line I'm I've been depending on is that the liberals are mad at me for being a leftist and the leftists are mad at me for being a liberal. There's a more nuanced conversation to be had there. But you know, oh man, you know, we got off to a good start. Um but uh is that it? Are we going to have another day where it's hard to get callers? I immediately had the YouTube comments filling up with people who were like, "Ah, the show's over. Oscar's not getting views." When actually the show got it was perfectly fine on views. The views wasn't the problem. It was trying to find somebody willing to defend Donald Trump. The sign yesterday said uh that Trump lost the war. And I think maybe that prompt scared MAGA away because I just don't I I've been 3 days.
I am waiting for somebody who supports Trump to defend the fact that he started this war and is now paying $300 billion to end it.
I want to grill somebody on that. I'm looking forward to it, but I feel like they're all just going to run from the topic. Um Oh man. Okay, we got the show rolling in a hurry today. Um, thanks for all the W's for Matt. Um, somebody said W caller. Um, he made Maga look bad. We can give him a W for that. Um, oh, here we go. We got tick clock time five.
New username, new caller, new topic maybe. We'll see. How old are you?
>> Hey, what's up, man? Wait, wait. I can't fix. Yes, I'm 28 years old.
>> Okay. What's up my friend? How are you doing? Everything is good.
>> I'm having a pretty good day.
>> Connection problem right now.
>> Oh, uh, Echo. So, I hope so. I hope you do have one because Trump is the president. I don't think you have a good, you know, I hope I hope you know.
I I I will pray for you, my friend. No problem. Yeah. Go ahead. Uh, so can I ask a question? A quick question? Sorry.
I like I do. You support Trump?
Yes, I do support Trump. Yes.
>> Why do you support Trump?
>> Uh because um we are Abrahamic revelations. We are the children of God on earth and we are the ones who who will take care of you guys. Atheist, unbelievers, paganismos, all these things. Yeah, we are Abrahamic and that's why we did it in 2015. Abrahamic according with with who? With only religious countries.
>> Do you think that >> even Osman Empire will be back to punish you guys? So >> what does that mean?
>> That means that punishment day is soon.
Is coming soon. It's coming soon. The punishment. Have you heard about this before?
>> I'm going to be punished. What am I going to be punished for?
the punish for to to reject and and um you don't submit to the system to the community of the mankind you are out you are with aliens and Star Wars and Power Rangers that's what you are with so this is not a system this is a garbage so if you want to submit to the community and system you need to be Abrahamic if you're not we're going to kick your ass bro hey yes sir you can laugh right All right.
>> All right. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
Hold on.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't believe in God. Pro. Tell me why I should.
>> Okay. Because Trump, he's the messiah right now. He is right now. So, what you going to do? How you going to fix how you going to survive? I mean, how you going to fix this? Because he he said it. He said, "I'm >> sorry. I don't think that was an answer to my question at all.
you have some serious religious convictions and because of your serious religious convictions, you're going to say all this stuff. But I think that we have to get stuck at the religious convictions cuz if your reasons are all religious, I'm not none of them are going to make any sense to me cuz I'm not religious. We're kind of just stuck at the religion thing. So if you want to have a conversation about religion, >> that's why I'm saying we we're going to force this. We're going to for No, no. I tell No, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to force this on you and people like you. Like you guys forced many things the last 200 years. You guys forced many things and now it's our turn. You banned Christianity from politic. You banned Islam from politic. And now we coming back to sit your mom. B. You know what?
If your mom, we're going to do this as soon as possible.
>> All right. We got somebody else in the queue.
>> Is the messiah and we coming so hard.
>> I disconnected them already. Listen to that delay. Oh my goodness. All right.
So I was just waiting for somebody else to show up in the queue. We're going to talk to Duncan McCockiner.
He's got a Trump 2024 sticker or 2028.
>> 28, brother.
>> How old are you? How old are you?
>> 26.
>> 26 [ __ ] >> All right. Do you believe in the Constitution?
>> Sometimes.
>> Sometimes. How do you determine whether or not you should follow the Constitution in any particular circumstance?
>> Ah, so you don't follow the Constitution. You follow Trump.
>> That's literally what I just said.
>> Yep. Just clarifying that you don't value the Constitution at all. You aren't a patriot.
>> I'm a I'm a Trumpriot.
>> Yeah. Is this a joke? I mean, I'm I'm not interested in your like bit that you're playing. Like, it sounds like you're putting on the, you know, the the voice and the attitude and you're just going to like declare all this silly nonsense. I'm I'm just not really interested in doing it on my show. So, you you got 30 seconds to convince me this is a call worth having.
>> Well, hey, brother, if you're [ __ ] scared to debate me, then get me out of here. Be a good boy and sit when you're [ __ ] Sit up straight when you're [ __ ] talking to me, too.
>> 20 seconds.
>> 20 seconds. Yeah, if you're scared, just say that, man.
>> I'm so scared. Oh, no.
>> Shaking it. You're shaking in your little [ __ ] bare feet down there. I see them.
>> Your nuts is hanging out of your shorts, by the way.
>> Oh, no. Whatever shall I do? 10 seconds.
>> Get me out of here. Be a good boy. Be a good boy. Get me out of here.
>> 5 seconds.
5 4 3 2 1. Get me out of here, boy.
All right, that's Duncan. Uh, Tik Tok time number five. You can get the [ __ ] out of my queue forever. Goodbye. Uh, thank you for the $10 super chat, Ryan over on YouTube. He says, "Been loving watching you the past few weeks. I'm sure your students miss you, but we're glad you're here. Don't make me sad."
Oscar, he was born between 99 and 2000.
These are the most aggressive Trump supporters for some reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The kids are [ __ ] I just retired from being a high school teacher, so I know from personal experience the kids are [ __ ] And I'm very sad that I'm not helping them in that way. I hope I'm helping them in some way by being on here. We shall see.
We're going to talk to Daniel Wade.
We're going to see if this is a serious call or not. Daniel Wade has left. We're going to talk to Daniel Thumbs Up.
Different Daniel. I think I've spoken to Daniel Thumbs Up before. How old are you?
I'm >> 57. I'm a I'm I'm definitely a >> Sorry. You're definitely a what?
Hello.
Sorry, the connection's poor. Are you a Trump supporter?
Both. I think this is a friendly and both cuz I can't I mean, also the signal's bad. I can't hear them. Oh, queue emptied fast. I had like five people a second ago. Goodbye. Goodbye, everybody. Um Oh, let's see. Um, somebody said, uh, you helped them by retiring. And they put quotes around retiring as though I mean, yeah, I'm not retired. I'm not retired from work, but I did retire from that job. Retired just means finish. Um anyway, uh but if you want to talk about that, you should get in the request Q. It's this little pink and blue head down here to the right of the comments uh bar. You should just click on that and tell me why you think it's so good that I'm not a high school teacher anymore. I'd actually be interested in having that conversation.
Um so, but you know, I don't know. Mo most of the most of the stuff that that people in the say in the chats, they're not actually really really willing to to defend it. Um, you know, they're just there to rustle some jimmies and move along cuz they're unconvicted about their beliefs. Interesting day we're having so far. Will it continue to be interesting? Tori is pointing out that there are lots of MAGA in the chat. And I'm, you know, I don't want to have to start muting people. Even though, you know, I think it's pretty funny that the MAGA in the chat get upset when I start muting uh people. But the only reason I mute people in the chat over here on TikTok, if you're watching on YouTube, you know, this doesn't apply to you cuz the callers are are from from Tik Tok is I, you know, if you're making a ruckus in the chat while I don't have a caller, it's just not a good use of the air time. It's not a good use of what we're doing over here on this Tik Tok live.
So, um, if you, you know, if if you're making a ruckus in the chat, I'm just going to mute you and insist that you get fully platformed by hitting the request button down here to the right of the comments section and just coming up and telling me whatever you want to talk about. We've got Jonathan Cena.
I don't think it's the John Cena. I think it's a John Cena. How old are you?
>> Yeah. Uh, 28.
>> 28. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> Um, I'm not. I just wanted to see I have a hot take. I wanted to see if you want to discuss until >> I'll take I'll take I'll got somebody else in the queue, but I'll I'll hear your hot take and I'll I'll tell I'll tell the audience quickly what my opinion is.
>> Sure. Uh I think that voting should be mandatory um and enforced similar to uh missing jury duty.
>> Interesting. I don't know. I think that that would I think that there are a lot of people who choose not to vote on things because they're uneducated and forcing those people to vote just adds random noise to the electorate which I don't think is good.
>> I think um that the opposite is true. I think that when um you have a third of the eligible population not voting because of apathy or you know lack of care in politics. Instead, what you get is the most radical ends of um you know, the the the voter population voting instead. Um and to counterbalance that, we should have that third of the population vote um which tend to be centrists.
>> Yeah. I just I'm not sure that that distribution holds. Um, and I just I I think that compul I I think there'd be too many people who'd be apathetic about their vote that they would just be ticking like like suddenly if that's the case, if we're forcing people to vote, suddenly it matters more than it otherwise would who is above who on the ballot cuz so many people forced to vote are just going to pick the first person on the list >> like that that that you'd have to randomize it. Like we'd have to, you know, it creates it just creates more problems to deal with in terms of keeping it fair. I think um and I know you said you had somebody in the queue, but I would encourage you to look at countries that currently have mandatory voting um places like Australia um because I understand that initial thought. Uh it but it just it just doesn't play out in practice. Um you do end up getting pretty reasonable reasonable people voting. um voter participation goes from like 60 to like 95%. And you don't really see like extreme candidates uh having a lot of prevalence in in politics in those countries. But so I let him go. That is an interesting hot take that I haven't really thought very much about. So you heard my you heard my thoughts live on that one. Um I do I do think my concerns are pretty good. And also just generally I'm I'm averse to creating top down solutions. If we can create bottom-up solutions, if we can help education, if we can encourage people to vote, if we can make it more obvious to people that it's their civic duty to get involved in politics, like that's good. That would increase voter turnout in a way that I would think is just, but forcing people to do things. I'm just I'm just reticent to force people to do things in the first place. I've got that little that little twinge of libertarian ideal where it's like, if we can avoid forcing people to do stuff, that'd be good. Um, you know, I'm going to reserve that for real real serious issues. Of course, the chat's going to freak out and be like, masks during co Yeah, that was serious.
that was worth it, you know. But anyway, I don't think it's worth it for voting, but I I'll look into it. I'll see. I I'll check out some countries that do that and see how they're doing. Marshall Matters485.
Let's get a Let's hopefully get a serious conversation going. Uh hello.
How old are you?
>> I'm 34.
>> All right. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> I voted for him twice, but I don't really support him, per se.
>> Which two times?
uh 2016 and the second time he got elected voted for him, >> right? Okay.
>> Okay. Um I mean this has been happening a lot lately where somebody will say that they voted for him three times or at least most recently and then they'll kind of put that asterisk on and like ah you know I don't understand. I don't I don't believe in everything he's doing.
Which to me sounds like you probably recognize he's doing some terrible [ __ ] that's completely indefensible. Is that accurate to say?
Uh yeah, for sure.
>> Okay. Um just we don't need to like go down the rabbit holes. I just want to get a sense of the common ground. So just like bullet point him. What are the topics where you do feel like he's really [ __ ] up?
>> Also vot for Obama too in the first when I was first available to vote.
>> Okay.
>> Um so that's good context for me.
>> Smart of that Paul small percentage there. I wanted to ask you about the the ICE thing. You got the [ __ ] ICE in the back. So, why don't you like ICE or do you just not agree with immigration policy? What's up with that?
>> It's a very good question you asked because ICE doesn't make immigration policy. They they're supposed to enforce it. So, I do as a matter of fact, it does also happen to be the case that I don't like the immigration policies. But if I didn't like the immigration policies and ICE was doing a good legal and safe job enforcing them, I wouldn't be saying [ __ ] ICE. I'd be saying [ __ ] these immigration policies. I am separately also saying [ __ ] these immigration policies. But even if you agree with the immigration policies, even if you think deport all of them, get them out of here. They're dangerous.
They're bad for the economy. I don't think those things are true. But even if you think that, I still think it's very, very important that very, very important that law enforcement in the country obey the Constitution and don't violate the rights of anybody, citizens and non-citizens alike. So, my problem with ICE specifically is that they are enforcing these laws that I also don't happen to like in a way that's completely illegal and unconstitutional and unsafe for people.
>> Right. Yeah. So, law enforcement doing things they shouldn't be doing, which is kind of the status quo. I feel like >> I got some big feelings about law enforcement generally as well. Um, but I think that what's going on with ICE is a little bit unique. It's very regressive.
I think that as much as it's sometimes an unpopular thing for somebody on the left to say, I do think that there's been progress made in policing, I live in a place where there have been some like local changes in policing because of protesting and things that have happened here. So, I I recognize the progress. I want to celebrate that win and keep working on it. Uh, but ICE is going backwards. You know, ICE are behaving like police officers from 100 years ago. It's insane.
What do you think about like immigration, mass immigration with um mass benefits to to to have that?
Because uh people moving into the country could really be a great thing.
You have more people coming to build jobs.
>> We got to decide whether we're talking about if I like the immigration laws or if I'm upset with ICE's method for enforcing them. They're two very just in terms of like if we're going to discuss facts and arguments, all of the facts and arguments are just going to apply to one of those things or the other. So, we just got to pick one to stay on cuz they are just fundamentally separate topics.
Obviously, very related, but in terms of the conclusions we can draw, it's just a different question whether you like the laws versus how you like their enforcing. Which are we talking about?
>> So, what what part do you not like about what they're enforcing?
>> So, you want you want to discuss the laws themselves, never mind the the practices of ICE.
>> Well, no. Let's let's go back.
clarifying. I just want to be sure.
>> Yeah. No, no, you're right. You're right. Cuz I got a little off topic there. So, just to go back to about not liking ICE and the way they're enforcing or the way they're doing their thing.
What specifically are you not liking about what they're doing?
>> I could list a lot of things. Um, but I can just give you one example, which is that it's currently their practice to not require a judicial warrant for home raids for for search warrants, which is a violation or or to serve arrest warrants, which is a a violation of the fifth amendment.
Right. And do you know the reason as to why they are able to do that or are they just doing it because they want to?
>> Well, so what what'll happen is they'll have a deportation order, a final order to remove where they do have the legal authority to remove a person from the country. But in order to protect people's constitutional rights, there's still a very important step, which is that they need to get a warrant to uh from a judge signed to allow them to enter a doicile, somebody's home. Uh and and that's the sort of thing where even if we're not going to value the rights of the person being deported, we do still have to uh respect the rights of anybody else who happens to reside in that doicile. So you shouldn't be able to have your home searched because there's somebody in your home who's an illegal immigrant because we value your constitutional rights over our need to deport that illegal immigrant, which is why a judge has to sign that warrant. It the judge has to determine that it's reasonable to violate your privacy and the sanctity of your home in that way.
But ICE isn't allowed to make the decision. Law enforcement aren't generally supposed to make that decision at all. That's why law enforcement, whether it's local police or something federal like ICE, need a judicial warrant. So, they're skipping a very important step that exists to protect you and me from unlawful action or unnecessary action from law enforcement agencies.
>> Okay. I mean, that's fine. I don't believe that the police should do anything without a warrant. You know, that's a that's a rightful belief for sure. Well, I can recognize that there are ex there are probable cause type exceptions. There are ways for law enforcement to enter a home legally without a judicial warrant. It's just th those things don't cover the the type of things that I'm talking about ICE doing.
So, I will just put that asterisk on there. There's there's other there's other reasons, but but they don't have those reasons. We're talking about them not using probable cause, not using what they saw or what they heard or or witnessing a crime or something like that. We're talking about them just showing up at an address and kicking the door in, having skipped the the step of getting a judge to sign off on that warrant. That's a big problem, >> right? But I imagine that they're doing that through some legal backloop or something.
>> No.
So they're just willy-nilly doing that and people take the court by the lawyers or >> I mean there are a lot of there are a lot of efforts to to fight back legally against what ISIS is doing but that doesn't change the fact that the modus operandi is to violate the constitution which is a bigger problem than any particular agent doing something that we could sue them for. This is company policy. This department policy this came out as a memo. That's how it leaked that that they had a memo basically saying you do not need to wait for that judge's warrant. In other words, you do not have to follow the Constitution. We are going to be the arbiters of when we can search somebody's home. And that is just one of many examples of things they do that that are obviously unconstitutional. In addition to a pile of things that I think that they do are that are irresponsible and bad for humans, bad for citizens, bad for non-citizens, just bad in general. But specifically, I think the the the most ironclad argument is the is the unconstitutional things they're doing, of which that's just one example.
Then you also said that they that they could come into your house without a warrant depending on >> if I if I stab somebody in the chest and then I run into my house and lock the door and a police officer sees me do it.
He doesn't need a warrant to kick the door down. Does that make sense to you?
>> Sure. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about ICE thinking, "All right, we think this guy lives at this residence. We're going to go search the residence for him. No regard for who else might live there. No regard for the property. No regard for the landlord.
It's supposed to be a judge that makes that sort of decision when there isn't that time-sensitive let's go catch that murderer who just stabbed that type of guy uh or that just stabbed that person in front of us. Like that's different and that's what I'm talking about.
>> Right. So, if I is doing this and we know they're doing this and it's illegal, I'm assuming someone has them in court right now for that or no?
>> Well, a lot of the time when ICE agents raid a property or do any of the other unconstitutional things that I could bring up as an examples, they remain unidentified. They hide. They put uh false license plates on their cars. They wear masks. They don't wear badge numbers. So, who do you call to report a crime committed by an ICE agent? How do you get them in trouble? What's the recourse?
>> Right. How do you get the feds in trouble? Right. That's a good question.
>> Yeah. They also have immunity for a lot of the things that they're doing. And we have people like Steven Miller and Donald Trump on the television repeating that they have immunity for doing these sorts of things, emboldening them to continue. We also have more than one case of them unaliving a citizen and not being investigated in the way that law enforcement normally are when they unal alive a citizen. And I could talk specifically about some of the practices there that are also violations of the law. Um but but it really emboldens them to keep doing these unconstitutional dangerous things.
>> Yeah, without a doubt. I mean the the the Fed is uncontested. What can you do?
Um and that's an >> I mean there's lots of cases against ICE ages. are fighting these things, but it's being made very difficult by the administration. They're working very hard to protect these sorts of crimes instead of uh cracking down on them because some people come and say, "Well, you know, one bad apple shouldn't spoil the bunch. One bad ICE agent." And I just always have to repeat, I'm not talking about one bad ICE agent. I'm talking about memos going out to all the ICE agents saying, "This is what you can do." I'm talking about Steven Miller and before she was fired, Christy Gnome and Donald Trump on the TV encouraging these people to do these things that are obviously illegal, obviously unethical, obviously unconstitutional, obviously unreasonable.
>> Right. And I and I think that I think that some of that and this goes on both sides. I think that some of that comes down to that whether the problem is right or not. one of the sides, they see a problem and they're just like, "Yeah, we know there's some uh legalities to this we need to overcome, but we'll just do this instead and and and whatever we can do to solve the problem no matter what."
And we we've seen that from both sides.
So, >> no, I don't think that we've seen that from both sides. I think I I I I could list I listed a few examples of things that that law enforcement officers are doing that are illegal or unconstitutional under Donald Trump's administration. I could continue listing examples. There are so many. A lot of them for me are examples where the proof that I would have for you is footage that I filmed myself cuz I live in Minneapolis and I I I lived through Metro Surge firsthand and was very intimately involved with it. So I could talk about that for a long time. So I'll ask you now to present an example to me of law enforcement officers operating under a Democrat uh run administration in the White House doing the sorts of things that I'm talking about. These sorts of constitutional violations. Um, I'm um I'm talking about taking legal legal roundabouts to get things done that they deem necessary. That's what I'm talking about.
>> Okay. If you think that the that the Democratic administrations have recently been guilty of that sort of thing, then provide for me an example.
>> Okay.
>> I don't have examples off rip like that for you. I thought it was more of an obvious thing that this is something >> if it's if it's that obvious to you, I would argue that that it in order for it to be obvious, you must be able to summon an example. It's obvious to me, which is why I can sit here and summon examples.
>> All right. All right. I understand that.
Um, let's see. Let's think of something.
was something that they deemed needed to be done that was illegal, but they did legal roundabouts for Jesus Lord.
>> Funny enough, I can think of a couple examples because no president goes their entire term without [ __ ] up in some big way. It's a pretty hard job in that respect. So, but I'm not going to help you. I'm not I I can think of a couple things that come up on my show a lot that Biden did that Obama did that fit the bill for what you're talking about.
But I'm going to let you hang on it because the fact of the matter is they did a small handful of things depending on how you define how serious one of these offenses is. And it's Trump's complete plan for running the country.
He does a violation of this sort every week, sometimes every day. It's a it's a widespread problem that's creating chaos in our legal system. That's not something that happened with the Democratic presidents. And I and I I think it's a demonstration of that fact that you can't even think of a good example of them doing it once. when I I could sit here I could sit here 2 hours a day and list things that Donald Trump has done that are unconstitutional and people literally pay my bills so that I can but you're sitting here and you're not able to come up with an example of Obama or Biden the most recent Democratic presidents doing it >> right bro I mean I don't run a show I'm just here in my bed talking to you on my phone so I mean I do other things with my life and business you can don't don't tell me this is what you do so you're going to have a bunch of examples like this is what you do. And also, you know, you kind of put me on the spot with it.
You know, it is >> on the show. The whole point of the show is to get you to defend your beliefs and you don't have an example of a thing that you said is a widespread problem, which leads me to believe that your belief that it is a widespread problem is [ __ ] I think that you've been told that it was a widespread problem. I think you probably hear that on the media that you take in, whether that's conventional media on the television or a newspaper that you read or social media that you follow where you get subject to whatever your particular algorithm on that particular platform is. I think that whatever you're taking in has convinced you that it's a widespread problem on the Democratic side. And I think you should really reflect on the fact that sitting here with a patient guy who really wants to hear you out, you cannot come up with a single example of them doing it, >> right, of of Democrats just kind of doing what they want to and dealing with the law later because that's what I said basically cuz that's what Trump does. He just kind of does what he wants and he's like, "Well, take me to court." And that's something that we've seen in politics before he came around. So, provide an example of a Democratic president doing that.
>> Uh, let's see. The the one I can think about most off top, which I think was illegal, which was definitely illegal in my opinion, was uh when Obama did the healthc care thing and you got you got you got uh a penalty for not having health insurance.
>> Okay.
>> So, that was illegal in my opinion.
>> What law was that in violation of?
[ __ ] if I know, but I think that's legal.
>> Do you think that Do you think that the government is not able to to make policies that that involve people's money? Cuz like when we make laws, >> government can do whatever the [ __ ] they want to, >> right? It it was removed and I'm not I'm not even going to like bother sharing my opinion about that specifically. I just like you're claiming that it's illegal and you don't understand like what law was broken or how it's illegal. The government does all sorts of things where if you don't cooperate, you get a fine. You understand that, right?
>> Legal or illegal is decided by the government. If I don't obey the speed limit, I have to pay a fine. Correct?
>> Yeah.
>> So, if I don't obey the healthcare laws that Obama's administration and his legisl legislative branch put into place during his term, I have to pay a fine.
We can talk about whether or not we agree with that, but your claim is that this is some massive constitutional violation or something that's illegal.
So, I just don't understand how in a legal sense requiring healthcare is different than requiring somebody to like drive a safe speed limit, especially in consideration of the fact that both of those things are things that affect the those are both things that affect the health and safety of the public.
>> So, I just don't understand the difference.
>> I'm not sure how you can utter the words getting someone a penalty for not having insurance is okay.
>> We do that with automobiles as well. Do you do recognize that if you don't have car insurance, you have to pay? I want you to say I want you to say that's okay as a liberal that cares about people as you would claim. I want you to say that it's okay to give someone a multi00 penalty for not having health insurance.
>> No, I don't agree with that and I don't think it's fine. I just don't think it is illegal for Obama's government to put that in place. So, I will I want to ask you what I just asked you because you kind of sidestepped it. We do require a fine if you fail to purchase automobile insurance. You recognize that, right?
You you get pulled over driving a car and you don't have car insurance. You get a ticket, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, it is Do you think that that's illegal? Do you think that the government shouldn't be able to do that?
>> No. I I I mean that I think >> the chat's pointing out that it was the Republicans that made you point the fine by pay the fine by the way. But again, I just I just am not understanding how this is so obviously illegal or unconstitutional. It was the Republicans that made you pay the fine. And that was because whenever they do these bills, they're like, "Oh, you have it has to be paid for. It has to be proven to be paid for." And that got put in so it would be quote unquote paid for. And and the Democrats do the same thing where >> Wait, so your example So you admit that the example that I've been demanding for what is it? How long we've been talking?
We've been talking for 16 minutes and I've been trying to get you to present an example of the Democrats doing this thing that you say that both sides do. I could pick I you could give me a calendar week of the year and I could go dig through the news and find an example of Trump doing something this illegal or this unconstitutional that week. It'd be timeconsuming. It wouldn't be a good use of the show.
>> Way more often. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Big problem. You came you you floundered to come up with one example and the one example that you came up with is something that the Republicans did, not the Democrats. I'm just going to ask again. Can you provide for me an example of the Democrats doing this sort of thing at all?
>> Yeah. The the Democrats signed off on that. They didn't have to agree to that.
>> Both sides signed on that. You know what I'm saying? It's not a left or right thing here. They both sign.
>> You haven't demonstrated that that was illegal. You haven't demonstrated that it was unconstitutional. You haven't recognized the parallel.
>> You know it's not right. You You know it by right.
>> It's a policy that I think is problematic and I take issue with it.
That doesn't change what I just said. I don't think it was illegal. I don't think it was unconstitutional for the obvious reasons that there are other domains in which we do these sorts of fines. Do you recognize that it is sensible to find people for not having insurance when they for their car like on the road? That's something we find people.
>> That doesn't go to that doesn't go to health insurance, man.
>> My point is demonstrate to me that the Democrats did something illegal or unconstitutional. Yes. I Yeah. I >> It doesn't Yeah. That's not the same thing. You're It's apple oranges here.
>> But people who don't have healthcare are taxing on society because of the path forward in life that they have if they get an ailment that like bankrupts them or something. So, we could make that societal argument either way. I don't I'm not really interested in talking about this rat's nest of insurance. I'm just pointing out that it's not a very good example of what I asked for, which is a flagrant violation of the law or of the Constitution.
>> Okay. So, uh All right. So, what do you what do you think about all of the overseas things, which obviously this happens with Republicans, too, but this also happens with Democrats where they're doing all the underneath overseas things, which are all illegal.
Okay? And and you know uh >> talking about drone talking about drone strikes in the Middle East and stuff like that.
>> Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Very very bad. [ __ ] hate the Democrats for that. I don't think it's technically illegal and I don't think it's technically unconstitutional. So we could talk about the the system problem that we have. I agree with the leftist about a bunch of that stuff. That's not the question. The question is demonstrate to me something that the Democrats did that was obviously illegal or unconstitutional. And I think it would be more sensible to keep it to domestic policy because we are talking about local law enforcement. That was the question originally. flip that question back on you. Do you think they've never done anything illegal or unconstitutional?
>> No. I've already admitted in this call with you that there are a few examples that I could literally present because I'm sitting here sitting on a few examples where Obama and Biden did do things that I consider to be illegal or unconstitutional or problematic in the ways that I'm discussing.
>> No, but you're asking me just to >> Well, cuz you came up here so confident.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, you meant that I'm right, but then you're asking me to give examples.
>> You're not right. You're not right. It's a widespread >> both sides.
>> No, but it's not equal. It's not at all equal. It's not equal at all. It's a There's one or two There's a small handful There's a small handful of examples. There's a small Excuse me.
There's a small handful of examples from Obama's presidency. There's a small handful of examples from Biden's presidency. And there's a small handful of examples from every week of Donald Trump's presidency. That's my claim. And you can't even come up with one of the couple of examples from Biden or Obama.
The chat is cheating. The chat's listing some of them.
>> My point will be that it will be what's going on with Trump is is going to be growing. Okay. This this is not something >> just to be clear. Are we giving up on trying to demonstrate that the Democrats do this at all? Because they do it a little bit and I know some examples, but you can't come up >> right. But you are >> I need to list examples when you just admitted to it >> because it demonstrates that you have no [ __ ] idea what you're talking about at all.
What the [ __ ] Okay. So, if I if I left this call and went and wrote a couple examples down and came back and then that say that I know something like why are you why are you admitting to it and then asking me for examples?
>> I just answered that question and I I actually tell my callers all the time that if you want to go figure this out and come back, I would welcome that.
Like I wouldn't consider that an L. I would consider that a W for you if you wanted to say, you know what, I'm not prepared to discuss this subject matter.
>> You already know them. you know them, >> right?
>> So why are you like it it doesn't make sense to me that >> because what I'm really interested in understanding is why you think that they did that if you can't think of an example.
>> Jesus [ __ ] Christ, dude.
>> Like I'm trying to understand how you work. That's really what the purpose of the show is, >> right? All right. So some of it has to do because this isn't really what I do.
Some of it has to do because I'm here on the call with you on spot. And some of it has to Okay, that's about the majority of it. And the other part of that is is we both know for this to be true. We both just admitted it. We and I never said it was equal. All I said was that it happens on both sides. Then you got really defensive and said, "No, no, no. It doesn't happen on both sides."
And then you came back and said, "Well, it does happen. I have examples, but I need you to have examples."
>> I think what I I think I I'm pretty careful about how I address that thing, and I do recognize that it happens to a degree on both sides. I very thoroughly recognize that throughout this call. My assertion is that it is not fair to just label the problem as something that both sides do because the problem of the president doing something like that several times a week is not something that both sides do.
>> Okay. So both sides do it but Trump is doing it more frequently. We can agree >> by by a factor of like a hundred though.
It's not a matter of him being like a little bit ahead.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's a big [ __ ] problem.
That's an enormous problem. And I think and I think that and I think that problem that we're having with Trump is going to be something that's going to progress into the future even worse as we move forward. And I think a lot of people are thinking to themselves, oh, when Trump's gone, no, no, no, no, no, no. We will have a new Trump, it will get worse.
>> Yeah, I agree.
>> Okay, I agree. Lose in 2016 and then come back and win again with a popular vote because this is going to get better.
>> I I think that I think that's a reach.
But but again, so you recognize that what he's doing is really bad compared to what the Democrats generally do when they're in charge. You think it's going to get worse? Sorry, one more time.
You're a Trump supporter?
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] why, dude? What the [ __ ] >> Take that. Take a minute. No, no, no, no. Not a Trump supporter. I felt more forced to vote for him to be realistic with you.
>> By what? What forced you?
The >> the I would love to vote for Democrats and honestly, they should be winning most elections. They had the easiest.
answer why you didn't.
>> The main reason why it's it's mostly financial, which Trump is also horrible with. I know you could say that.
Republicans are horrible with it, too.
But he at least gives the he at least tries to act like he's going to do it.
Democrats just don't do that at all.
They just >> That's horshit. That's [ __ ] made. No, that's nonsense. I don't care what lies he tells on the campaign trail, but Democrats have a much better track record of actually working to accomplish what they say they're going to accomplish in the White House. Trump is biffing it left and right. I can't think of a single campaign promise that he's done any good work on even immigration because if we look at the numbers, ICE is completely [ __ ] biffing it.
>> Yeah. And he and he didn't cut spending at all. And yeah, he didn't none of that stuff. But you you don't you know, we all know the campaign trails are alive, but you you kind of have to go off the campaign trail. I mean, what else can I go on?
>> Right. But what I just said what I just said is that the track record of Democrats is better.
>> I can actually come up with a campaign promise financials. I can I I have sitting in in the front of my mind an example of a campaign promise that Joe Biden made that he broke that I'm furious about. Could you provide an example of a campaign promise that Joe Biden broke that demonstrates that the Democrats were not going to do what they said on the campaign trail?
>> Uh highspeed internet in rural areas.
>> Oh yeah. Did they work on that? That that's out of my depth. I don't know if he failed on that or not.
>> They tried to work on it. They tried to work on it. They passed. So, what I just said a moment ago where the Democrats actually do try to work on the things that they're working on is accurate is what you're saying.
>> Yeah. They passed the bill, they spent the money, and nothing got built.
>> Okay. I mean, I I'll put that one on a post-it to research. I don't know about Biden's performance on highspeed internet.
>> Yeah, it basically got And see, that's something I'm super big on because to me, internet is a pathway to to making more money for >> I agree. It should be treat it should be treated like a utility. Um I >> I basically >> Yeah. And so so the chat the chat is uh confirming what my assumption here which is that um not only did he succeed, the Republicans tried to stop him.
>> No, no, not at all. It it all got it got it all got caught up in like uh legislators bull crap, which is kind of what happens with a lot of the money.
Like they're like, "Oh, we're going to invest in this." And >> legislative bull crap is a really convenient label. No, no. I want you to show that you know what you're talking about when you say legislative bull crap. What happened?
>> Uhoh.
>> Uhoh.
>> Yep.
>> No, sorry. I was looking I was looking at some of my stock stuff. Um, >> so cuz cuz everything has to get signed off and approved by like a million people.
That's basically what's happening.
>> Who who who failed to sign on and approve it?
I think it has to go state by state.
>> I mean, I'm like trying to live research this because I'm just not um >> You're good. I see you.
>> I'm not super educated on on on broadband internet. You brought me a topic I'm not super educated about. So, my question again, when you assert that there was legislative [ __ ] that caused it not to pass, sounds like you're educated on that. What was that legislative [ __ ] What didn't pass?
What didn't get enough votes? What happened?
>> Cuz I'm pretty sure that it has to get like approved by this person and and and so Who's this person?
>> Show me that you know what you're talking about.
>> I think it's state by state. I'm pretty sure it's state by state.
>> You said that a second ago. You're just you're just like listing like kind of adlibs about how things could maybe get stalled in the legislative branch or distributed to the state level or something like that. You're upset about this internet policy. What happened?
There are policies I'm very upset about in particular and I can say ah this [ __ ] didn't vote on it. Trump met with these people and tried to get them to vote against it and when he failed he went and told every you know like I can give specific examples of what the legislative [ __ ] that happened was uh is but what you like I I'm just not hearing that you actually understand what you're talking about.
>> You don't understand the example you brought me.
>> Uh yeah I don't have a super indepth understanding but I have a very general consensus of what happened which is basically >> did somebody just tell you that this happened and you believed them or do you actually did you follow it as it was happening? Did you follow the legislative [ __ ] that you're describing and you just don't remember the details? Which I can, you know, give you the benefit of the doubt on. There's plenty of stuff where I formulated my opinion about it so long ago that when people ask me for my evidence, I go, "Ah, fuck." I'd have to like double check exactly how far this made it or something like that. But again, I just Who who stopped? You said that Biden tried. Why didn't he succeed? Who stopped him? What stopped him?
>> From what I saw, and I believe I watched this on a political podcast somewhere.
From what I saw, uh, uh, they had they had gotten the money together. They had passed a bill to put it through, but then like every single state had to go through, uh, that basically things just had to be approved. It all had to be approved to get done. And then after so many years, it was like nothing ever got built, you know, and that kind of that's kind of what happened.
>> So, I'm going to take I'm going to take two donations that I just received.
>> A lot of big projects like that, you know. So, my audience is is a pretty helpful audience and they and I I'm being honest and saying I'm not super educated on what happened with his broadband policies. But we have Tim Davidson over on YouTube Super Chat who paid $5 just to say [ __ ] I work in the rural internet. That job I'm sitting at right now. Biden grew the network by thousands of miles. Trump cut the expansion. And then Darius over on Venmo said the Biden administration's $65 billion highspeed internet initiative initially aimed to connect every American by 2030, which is in the future if we're keeping track because these sorts of infrastructure policies take years and years and years to go into effect. And one of the problems we run into that Democrats can put them in place and then Republicans can throw them away and call them a failure. And then you get to call in and say that Biden didn't succeed at creating the internet. So, my assumption about how this probably went based on what I know about other policies that were thrown out or were unsuccessful during Biden's term that sits between two Trump turns, which gives any policy he passes a serious uphill battle of actually accomplishing any of the multi-year benefits that they're seeking. So, I'm trusting the chat a little bit. I'm trusting the donors a little bit, but I can I can just ask you as the person who brought me this evidence, do you want to tell me what happened with this $65 billion highspeed internet initiative?
What what you what was the legislative [ __ ] that stopped it? I don't know what happened. All All I could Okay.
Right. I don't know what happened. All I can say is as as a regular American, as a regular person, on a very simplistic level, all I can say is is, "Hey, I really like this policy. Oh, they're doing this." And then years and years pass and it doesn't happen. And then I'm like, "Well, what happened to this money now regardless now regardless whether or not Republicans come in."
>> So I I just said that. I just said that that's exactly what happens. that four years is not enough time for a lot of the things a president might want to do, >> right?
>> But regardless of they do, none of that really matters to your average voter though. Who cares? All we care about is things happening. So whenever you >> We're in We're in adlib. We're in AdLib talking point territory. Yes or no? Do you know what happened with Biden's $65 billion initiative? I don't happen to.
>> Neither one of us do. Then why did you bring Okay, so I brought up a topic that you brought up a topic you don't know about before. It was one I do know about now do either.
>> Now you've brought up another topic you don't understand. I admit this is one I'm not knowledgeable about and I'm reading out some of the things that the chat is asserting with the big hefty grain of salt that these are this is information coming from the donors in the chats. So I'm presenting you the information that they're offering to me as help. Do you have reputations for it or are we all just going to remain agnostic to this issue that you brought up as your reason that you yourself don't understand?
I know that that money has not been put into rural internet like it has not expanded. It's not >> I don't necessarily trust the chat and I don't necessarily trust the donors but I do trust Diava talks because when she comes on my show and she says things she has a really good track record of saying things that are accurate and she says in the chat that she has something to say about this. So hello Dava. How are you?
>> Hi. Uh yeah, I just want to let you know that yes, Biden administration did launch the largest rural broadband infrastructure effort in US history and it started in 2021 with the bipartisan infrastructure law. Um uh it was a $42.5 billion broadband equity access and development program dedicated to building out highspeed reliable fiber optics and underserved in rural areas. Um, you can go to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration tracker, and it tells you every single state, how much money was allocated to each one of those states. And if you happen to live in a red state, you should probably hit up your red governor uh to find out why.
But uh again the name of that um is the uh National Telecommunications and Information Administration and they have a tracker that tracks every single state. Uh what state are you in, Marshall? I can tell you how much your state got.
>> I'm in North Carolina.
>> All right. North Carolina got >> bill $1 and a half billion dollars.
>> Yep.
>> So, um you might want to check with your governor to find out what happened with that money. Um but I will tell you that >> you can't blame this on the Democrats because the money was allocated to the states.
>> Um >> okay. And so you can't blame that on Joe Biden or the Democrats, especially if you live in a red state like I do. I'm in [ __ ] Florida.
>> Um >> well, you ask me to ask my governor. My governor's Democrat, so >> but I also got But that's okay. You can still check with them. Um but I my not only did my state get um uh broadband, highspeed internet, we got fiber optic in my neighborhood for the first time, and we also had all of our water pipes also replaced from the infrastructure package. Um, so there's definitely work going on. Just because you might not see it in your particular area doesn't mean that it's not happening because it is.
>> Yeah. When we got fiber here, which was in the past 5 years, it was through AT&T. It wasn't through any federal money that I'm aware of, but maybe AT&T got the federal money. Who knows? Cuz they like to do that.
But as far as I'm understanding, as far as I understand, uh there was a lot of money put into that and we're five years down the road and I'm not aware that there has been much done.
>> Well, you're just and you're just wrong because you haven't looked.
There's a lot >> I haven't I haven't looked into this in probably maybe a year. So maybe in the past year they've made some advancements. But >> uh it actually said by 2025 federal and state regulators had shifted to overhauling and rethinking deployment strategies. So yes, it has changed in the last year. And it says for stateby-state progress, >> you can use the National Telecommunications and Information Administration tracker um that you can actually go and track where all the projects have been done and how much has been spent.
>> Okay. So, why don't we pull that up?
I did and I think Oscar did.
>> Yeah. I I I was just skimming a political article that uh that laid out the roadblocks that prevented what Biden successfully did in the federal government from reaching the states, which again just has me wondering why we're down this particular rabbit hole where Biden did everything within his power to do what he wanted to do, what he said he would do on the campaign trail, and then there were some snags later, some legislative [ __ ] which was largely caused by the Republicans.
What was the original thing? We were we were trying to come up with some example of him failing or failing to even try to do his campaign promises and I'm just I'm just not feeling like this internet topic is a good >> I don't think this internet thing is a good example of that.
>> It's not because a lot has been done.
>> Yeah. It's like saying that it's like saying that Biden didn't try to do anything about the border. He did. He had bipartisan border infrastructure and Trump who was still the leader of the Republican party while holding no office during Biden's term shot it down by telling Republicans not to vote for it.
So we >> how much how many billions was that invested into the internet inspection?
>> 42.5 >> 42.5 billion. And how much was expanded 6 years later, 5 years later?
>> That doesn't address any of the things I just said.
>> That's not that's not that's not a Joe Biden failure. if the Trump administration.
>> Is that not what we care about as American voters?
>> I said it's not Joe Biden's fault if Donald Trump didn't expand the program because Donald Trump is trying to deregulate everything which is causing some of these problems that you're complaining about which have nothing to do with Joe Biden.
>> Okay. So why don't they get it done in the first four years before Trump comes in?
>> Because it's not we they we don't live in a microwave society where everything gets done in a snap of a finger. You stick it in and 10 seconds later everything is done. You're talking about miles and miles and hundreds and thousands of miles of broadband being buried and cables and all kinds of stuff.
>> 45 billion, my guy.
>> 45 billion.
>> Gen X left us on Venmo has sent me $2 just to get a word in Edgewise and point out that if you look into it, Elon Musk took a large portion of the money to promote Starlink in rural areas instead of building fiber infrastructure, which >> yeah, >> she as well, >> right? Do we not like Starlink? I stopped being >> Star Star Star Starlink is real Star Starlink is really useful for some important things and Starlink has done some good for the world by providing internet to places where it's not tannable or fast enough to build fiber optic infrastructure. But fiber optic infrastructure has is less expensive to upkeep and lasts longer and is way faster both in terms of latency and the total speeds. So if we want to wire America in such a way that people can have internet available to them that's useful for the sorts of things you cared about starting businesses. I don't know.
It's important to me that my neighborhood has fiber optic so I can run a dual live stream from it and make my living doing that. And Starlink would be a really messy solution for that, but fiber is a very good solution for that.
Which is why the infrastructure bill that Biden passed included infrastructure for fiber cuz that's the type of infrastructure we want for people's internet instead of Starlink, which is really only good for for like these other Yeah. these other use cases where you're super disconnected.
>> Super rural, like really out there.
That's not most that's not most of the people that that Biden was trying to give broadband to though. You have to just recognize that that Starlink isn't broadband. It's a different type of internet that comes with a whole bunch of problems including equipment that is required for the user of the internet to upkeep in a way that's not true for something conventional like cable internet or um or fiber internet. Not to mention that it that it's weather dependent and a bunch of other stuff that makes it just not as good as a utility. Fiber is always better than than Starlink if you can do it. That's why he wanted fiber. Yeah, for sure. So, I I would just like to point out, you know, it's like, you know, Democrats are trying to do these things and it's like, yeah, we wanted to do this internet. We spent all this money.
>> They have done it.
>> Once we said, we said we didn't do it because the Republicans blocked it, right?
>> No, that's not what he said.
>> You're being willfully obtuse or you're not smart enough for the conversation.
And I'm not trying to be mean, but dude, you have literally flipped and flopped and floundered like a fish that just got taken out of water.
>> I'm trying to stab the ball bearing with a butter knife. It's not [ __ ] working. Like, every time I go, >> did we get the internet expansion from the 45 billion or did we not?
>> The great Jay just pointed out for $5 on the The Great Jay just pointed out for it on your computer.
>> The Great Jay just pointed out for $5 on YouTube super chat that to please call him out. He just said that he got fiber in the past 5 years through AT&T, not the federal government. government subsidizes AT&T putting down those lines. So yeah, >> I said that when I said that comment.
>> Great. Great. Why are we talking about internet? It's not a good example of the thing that you're saying the Democrats do or fail.
>> The money has been allocated. When you said it hasn't been done, the money has been allocated meaning that people have it or does it just state?
>> Okay. So it hasn't been done. It hasn't been done. Correct.
>> That's not not I'm not No, that's not true.
>> Okay. So, if the internet has been built with that 45 billion, pull it up on the computer and show us.
>> I actually I actually did >> I actually did like skim through that article while Diava was talking a moment ago. So, I'm just as the host going to say that this is another >> this is a topic that none of us are all that prepared on. We've brought up some details. We've pointed out that you're wrong. You are ignoring the ways in which we have pointed out that you're wrong, which means me, which leaves me not very motivated to point out more ways that you're wrong. I would suggest we go for a topic change. I don't I don't think anybody here >> you said you said it's been built and I asked you to bring it up on a computer to show us it's been built and what was the answer to that >> I'm just saying that I'm not interested in giving you a fourth or fifth layer of proving you wrong when you haven't >> you haven't acknowledged >> Listen dude you haven't acknowledged the ways in which we've pointed out that you're wrong. Why do I need to offer you another?
>> You said it wasn't built because of Republicans.
>> It's being built. It's not done yet.
>> It's being built. It's being built.
Okay. Yep. 5 years. 5 years and 45 billion and it's being built.
>> Yes. Just like just like those Epstein criminals are still being investigated after all these years, which I think is [ __ ] cuz it's been longer than that.
And they've they've announced that there aren't investigations. But yeah, infrastructure takes a long time to build. In order to put fiber from like one county to another, you need to dig a really deep trench or borrow a really long tube to put fiber optic cable through. It's literally expensive and timeconuming in terms of the labor that needs to be done. Starlink doesn't happen to be. Starlink is if you need internet, if you need fast enough internet quickly, Starlink is a better solution, but it has the costs that I mentioned earlier, the cons, as well as the actual physical cost. Like it costs more money to use Starlink, which is why it's not good for sort of about this girl who she keeps saying that it's been built, and I don't think that's true.
>> Said it's been built in some areas, it's still being built in other areas. It's state by state. Don't call people on my show I'm just going to interject. I'm just going to interject and say that you need to not call people on my show girls cuz this is an adult show only. Unless you want me to call you boy, which I don't think anybody would like me doing.
>> I mean, I don't really care. It's not that big of a deal. I didn't mean to.
>> It's infantilizing. It It's a demonstration of your of your deeply seated misogyny. I'm just pointing it out cuz I don't like hearing it when people refer to a grown ass woman as a girl on my show.
>> Believe that's and I personally think that's probably why he didn't vote for Kla Harris because she's a woman.
>> I think he thinks that she's not a woman. I think he thinks that she's a girl. But anyway, that one guy with a really long name sent me five bucks on YouTube super chat to say, "Anecotally, my folks got fiber on their farm in rural rural Iowa after the infrastructure bill. One company had a monopoly prior to that." Yeah, it's quite possible that Biden helped with that, but they pointed out that it is just anecdotal. But but but again, um Tavi on YouTube Super Chat sent me two bucks to say, "Dude, we're really trying to help you here." I think he was talking to you when he wrote that. We are trying to provide you with the evidence to make your own argument.
we're trying to provide you with information about what did happen legislatively that saw these things. And again, it just even even with all this information on the table now, just doesn't seem to me like this is a demonstration of the thing I asked you to present to to get the Democrats in trouble at the beginning cuz the more the harder we look at this, the harder we see the Democrats trying to do the thing they wanted to do and the Republicans stopping them or the state government stopping them for some reason. And we are talking about Democrats and the federal government.
We're talking about presidential administrations. I'm gonna just insist that we move on to a new topic or a new collar at this point because we've beaten the [ __ ] out of this dead horse that none of us understood in the first place and it's not making you look any better. And again, we have pointed out ways in which you are specifically wrong and you're just refusing to admit that you are wrong about these things or that it makes your argument not a good one, which means it's a [ __ ] waste of time to keep going further on it.
>> That's cool, man. I'll I'll end the phone call. I have other stuff to do today. I just want to end it with uh you know this is coming from someone that did vote for Obama and then eventually voted for Trump and I'm I would be dying >> to vote for more liberal candidates on on things but >> um at an end result you know when things don't happen after years and years you know blame who you want to as an average voter none of that is going to matter none of that's going to matter >> none of it's going to matter if we don't have if we don't have results vaults for the investments made. It doesn't matter who you >> I'm actually just going to cut him off because I think it's hilarious that he thinks that anybody's going to value his two cents after his performance in that call. Like what the [ __ ] Come on.
>> Yeah, that was ridiculous.
>> Yeah, I >> Sometimes I give people 30 seconds. I say you have 30 seconds to say whatever you want before I disconnect you. I didn't say, you know, give us your two cents on politics with with the time that you have on my show. I said that you're not using the time on my show well and we're going to move on. So, we moved on. Goodbye, caller. How are you doing, Dio?
>> I'm doing good. Uh, you can drop me down so you can get somebody else up, but I just wanted to say really quick that um that's that's a lot that's a really big problem we have in this country right now. Um, is we everyone wants everything right now, like instant like people that are like far left want every single left policy done like right now where they're not going to vote for the next candidate. They don't know that everything is incremental. They don't know that it takes time to get all these things done. everything want everybody wants everything fixed done right now and we living we're living in a microwave society where that's just not how things work. We know government runs slowly because there's regulations, there's red tape, there's 50 different states that have to do all these all the different works and you know millions and millions of miles of cable and and stuff. Nothing is going to get done overnight. Well, I I always say that that uh Kennedy put us on the moon even though he died in 1963 and we landed on the moon in 1969. Like some of the most successful policies of presidents in history are things that have really survived them because it just takes a long time to fix major issues in the country and it gets stalled if you have this flip-flop between administrations where one administration keeps dismantling the work of the previous administration. It's one of the problems with partisan politics in this country that's bigger than the Democrats or the Republicans themselves. We could have a nuance conversation with that about that with somebody who's reasonable. We just didn't have anybody who was reasonable on the line, so we couldn't.
>> I agree. And if I had a dollar for every time a Trump supporter told me they voted for Obama twice, I would be a millionaire by now. Uh that that doesn't matter. It's just that it's so silly and they're all so Well, I voted for Obama.
I'm like, "Yep, every one of you did.
Literally, every one of you got it. That doesn't that doesn't negate what Donald Trump is doing."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um I'll let you give yourself a commercial. It's been a little while since you've hopped up mid show.
Yeah. Um, I just wanted to uh All right.
Uh, hi everybody. I'm Diaba Talks. I go live every single day from 4 to 7:00 p.m. Eastern. Um, seven days a week. So, if you are looking for somebody to watch, uh, come see me.
>> Diab has a very different style than I do.
>> I am a very different style. He is very nice. He is very patient. He is very calm. And I am piss and vinegar. And I I am combative, but I'm I'm passionate.
So, that's where it comes from. my my passion uh for this country, for the democracy, and uh for preserving the United States from slipping into an authoritarian takeover.
>> Appreciate you, Dava. Have a good one.
>> You too, honey. Thank you. Bye.
>> Goodbye. Yeah, go check out Yava Talks if you if you if you want the catharsis of somebody just yelling at these people. You get that sometimes. You get pissy, Oscar. Every now and again. Um, but I'm also going to ask everybody to give some W's in the chat for Scout because she's being deeply, deeply disruptive of my program. But I find that to be quite adorable and I can't stay mad at her about anything. So, she can keep trying to crawl over my keyboard. It's only going to get me more views. If she knew she was famous, she would be mortified. Mortified. Um, Joseph sent me $10 on Cash App to say, "Are you and your friends okay? FBI situation."
No, I'm okay. My friends are not okay.
Thank you for thinking of them. Um anyway, uh what else do we have over on YouTube super chat? Uh I've lost track of where I was. There's so many. Thank you everybody. Um Claudia said, "Giving you this $5 via the high-speed internet I have here in rural South thanks to the exact Biden initiative." How hilarious. There's people watching the show through the internet that that guy said that Biden failed to put in place. Uh, Elusive Viper sent $5 on YouTube super chat to say Biden doesn't magically solve internet access. Unacceptable. Trump fails to find a healthcare plan in 10 years. He's fine. Yeah, good point. Um, uh, Dirty Back Road sent $2 to say uh, permitting for the digging digging alone takes very long. Yeah, cuz when you cut when you cut, uh, like infrastructure, whether it's power lines or phone lines or internet fiber optic cables, like I was saying earlier, you either need to do it in the air, which is not really how we do fiber. We usually do it in the ground. And then you either need to trench or uh bore a hole, which might just be dependent on like whoever gets the contract to do it, which makes more financial sense. Depends on the terrain, depends on the equipment available to whoever wins the contract. There's a whole bunch of like complicated [ __ ] that takes years to figure out. And sometimes it literally comes down to knocking on people's doors with a clipboard and saying, "Are you going to sign this thing that says the government can run a wire under your backyard? We need your permission." It's like a whole mess. It takes years and years and years and years to solve. And that guy's mad that we don't have the all the results of it after just a couple of years. It's it's just absurd. And that's just me working with general knowledge cuz I I I admitted right away I wasn't super educated on Biden's uh attempts at internet cuz that was just a component of his enormous infrastructure plan. Um but I do have some general knowledge about how these stuff how this stuff works. So I can call [ __ ] when I hear it. Uh what do what do I say? An hour into the show. Ah, I'll tell everybody to go to the link tree in my bio and follow me on the other platforms. Even though I kept keep forgetting to get my burner phone, which is just charging over there so I can have the backup accounts for Tik Tok in the in the corner here. Oscar Quinton 2 and Oscar Quinton Music. They're in the bottom of my link tree. If you follow those, you'll be able to watch the show when this account eventually gets banned for something. Uh, but if you want to support the show in a material way and skip some of the fees that the platforms take, uh, you know, there's a cash app and a Venmo and a buy me a coffee and a Patreon uh, in the in the, uh, in the link tree that you can find in the bio of whatever account you're watching this on. So, if you want to support what I'm doing here, um, you know, those are the ways. We're going to move on to thumb man. I am all uh, all individual words separated by underscores. He was pretty upset in the chat if I if I'm remembering the username correctly. How old are you?
>> I'm 32. 32. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> Yeah. And um you guys you guys missed out a whole lot when you were just talking about that subject. You guys kept saying that Republicans threw off the plan, but you're not explaining why Republicans were giving such a um hard time with this. So when it initially passed Congress, Biden went ahead and added a bunch of um other requirements, let's say, like DEI hiring policy, like s uh certain climate mandates.
>> Quick check. Quick check cuz we're already having troubles today with people bringing evidence they don't understand. Just explain for the audience evidence. You want you want you want you want the actual documents.
>> I have a question. I have a question that Biden sent out. I have a question.
>> Go ahead.
>> My question is what is DEI policies?
What are they? what do they accomplish?
>> So, so under Biden, right, we had a lot of this um equity. I forgot what the actual his policy name was, but it it's something >> DEI policies.
>> So, I'm trying to get to that.
>> I'm talking about generally. What are DEI policies?
>> Biden, how how am I not supposed to be able to talk about DEI policies without including Biden in them? Cuz that's the subject matter that we're talking about.
>> Because DEI policies >> cuz you're upset about how DEI policies relate to Biden.
>> I never No. No, no, you're wrong. Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. I was giving you examples of why Republicans did not uh agree with everything that Biden added after it went through Congress. So, Biden added all these >> DEI policies. For example, when the federal government started just hiring people and ignoring uh other classes of people based on their race and hiring certain classes of people, >> that's not what DEI policies are.
>> That's 100% what DEI policy was. For example, having a quota for a certain amount of um minorities in a in a 100% that's what it was.
>> Show me evidence. Show me evidence of there ever being a race quota for any hiring program in the federal government ever.
>> Uh for example, DEI's uh a lot of places were implementing it. Harvard got sued over this and lost their lawsuit over.
>> That's affirmative action. That's not DEI. If you're talking about the students, >> they got they they got sued for uh their DEI practices as well. Do you recognize that DEI and affirmative action are different things?
>> Okay, they they they are different things, but Harvard also got sued for this.
>> They got sued for DEI. By whom? That doesn't answer the question. What is a DEI policy?
>> I I told you what a DEI policy was.
>> You said you said race. You said race quotas. And there just is no such thing in hiring. It's not >> there's race quotas. 100%.
>> Provide evidence of a race.
>> Sit there and deny it. You can sit there and deny it. Exactly what it was.
>> Yep. So provide me evidence that they're race quotas because of DEI policies in the federal government.
>> Um the fact that I mean all these jobs were doing it. The fact that they're the the people arguing >> all these jobs are doing it. Show me evidence of one place doing it.
>> Okay. So the fact that jobs were specifically um especially government jobs were specifically hiring.
>> Not going to let you move on. You might be unfamiliar with how I run my show.
You are not going. We are not going. All right. Aanji Jackson.
We're on race quote. Give me an example of a race quota.
>> I'm giving you an example of a of a race quota. Aani Jackson.
>> Aanji Jackson. How is Aanji Jackson spelled? I'll Google it right now.
>> The Supreme Court justice that Biden appointed. She's a DEI hire.
>> Oh, she has You're just pointing to a person who's black. No, I'm pointing to a person that is so underqualified for the job that she wasn't supposed to >> I'm not interested in your race example.
I'm interested in you demonstrating that >> racist. This is objectable. This is obvious. The question was show me a race quota.
>> I'm trying to show you an example of how she is a DEI hire and how she was not >> race quota.
>> I'm trying to give you an example of Jackson. Why don't you want me to talk about this? Is there a quota for Supreme Court members being black?
>> You know what? I'll get the I'll get the language for you so that way you can shut the hell up.
>> All right, he's teacuped. So, everybody go to the link tree in my bio and send me money for putting up with this [ __ ] Um, got to pay my bills.
Katanji Jackson, of course. Uh, somebody said Michael sent me two bucks.
DEI is to widen the prospect pool, not race quotas. Yeah, so I happen to know what DEI is. I I know that it's not race quotas. The caller doesn't know that.
Brain farted on who Katanji Jackson was for a moment. L host. But oh well.
>> You can call it something different, but how it's practiced in real life, it's race quotas. You can sit here and say, "Oh, listen. We're going to sit here and plant this tree and we're going to call it a an orange tree." But in all reality, if it comes out an apple tree, just because you change the name of something doesn't mean it's something different, right? You can sit here and say just like Biden, right, when he got sued for the OSHA mandate that you tried to you didn't answer for, right? That's one thing Biden got sued for. He sat there and said this is for public safety, but in all reality, it was a violation of the constitution.
>> Show me evidence. Show me an Show me evidence of a race quota anywhere.
>> I'm I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to You cannot point to it.
>> You got to give me a second. I have the actual document that that that he sent out to the States. You have to give me a second to look through it and show you exactly where it's at in there.
>> Can you Can you do that for me? Can you calm down and stop being so emotional?
>> You're going to tell me to calm down while I'm pretty sure your heart rate is the only one that my viewers are thinking about right now. And you brought this in. You called and wanted to talk about this.
>> A literal I'm talking to a literal shill right now.
>> Shill. I'm a shill. Okay. So So I I just don't think that an example of a person of color having a job is a good demonstration that they got that job because of the color of their skin. I'm asking for the demonstration that there are race quotas. You say it's a widespread problem. You you've given me a single example of one person, which I will admit very important job she has. I recognize that. But but one example of a person of color having a job just isn't a demonstration of of what I'm asking for. Where are these race quotas? I don't get it. I mean, you're teacup looking for evidence, which I'll allow.
I'm not going to knock you for trying to look for evidence of what you're talking about, but I'm very curious to see what you're going to show. Toby Beder sent me $20 on YouTube Super Chat. Toby, thank you so much. He he offers a lot of support for the show. W Debby's in the chat for Tavby T A V Y. Uh he says, "So someone who worked as an attorney, a public defender, judicial clerk on the sentencing commission, and the court of appeals is not qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. What qualifies?"
>> So So let me respond to that idiot. So how many times Tanji Brown Jackson no let me let me >> Excuse me. I was Excuse me. Tabby paid $20 to have his message read on the show and you interrupted me before.
>> Obviously he doesn't know who who that is. And I'm going to read it again front to back. And you are not going to interrupt me. And I'm going to I'm going to start over every time you interrupt me. So stop talking until I'm done.
You're still interrupting me. I'm not going to I'm not going to start until you stop interrupting me. I'm not going to start until you stop interrupting me.
There we go. You're teacup. So you can't interrupt me. Keep yourself on the leash. Good job. So someone who worked as an attorney, a public defender, judicial clerk on the sentencing commission, and the court of appeals is not qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. What qualifies you for your job?
Thank you very much, Tavi Ber. W's in the chat for Tavi. Now you may speak a guest. [ __ ] manners, dude. Jeez.
>> Okay, so real quick, I got the DEI stuff, but I wanted to own you on this real quick. So, Atanji Brown Jackson, do you does does your uh uh person who donated? Do you did do they know how many times Aanji Brown Jack Tanji Jackson has been ruled um as far as nine people and she's the only one that ruled the opposite way on clear constitutional issues? Like it's it she's been ruled against more times than anybody. Even the super other super liberal justices on the Supreme Court do not rule the way she is evidence of Is that Is that evidence of race quotas? I'm only interested >> and not only that I'm going to inform you again quota thing. I'm going to give you the race quoted. Let me respond to this. No, I wanted to respond to this and I'll give you the race quota thing cuz you're wrong on that too. So the um Atanji Brown Jackson literally could not define what a woman was and and in the Supreme Court like that is absolutely insane.
>> What race quotas is how like we just keep yelling about you don't like this thing that this person is doing? We want to talk about the number of things that Trump does that are dissenting against the things that presidents normally do.
Do we want to use the odd man out files?
He >> he he's won 80 was 85 to 90% of all his Supreme Court cases. So yeah, you could probably shut up.
What are you talking about? Race quotas.
Proof of race quotas.
>> You're the one just doing this little sideline stuff and you wanted to bring Trump in it. So, I'm just responding.
I'm trying to get you. I'm trying to get you exactly what you need to know.
>> Race quotas. I need to know that they're >> calm down.
>> I don't believe you. I don't believe you. One [ __ ] bit, dude. I just don't I like He's like frantically teacup. He's like googling. He's like He's like, "Grock, help me, please." Um, Tammy Lynn sent me five bucks on Venmo to say what. Please correct the guess.
Her name is uh Katanji. Also, Amy Ky Barrett is the most unqualified. What the [ __ ] Yeah. Is it pronounced Katanji? Am I pronouncing it correctly?
Forgive me. I just I've only ever seen it in writing. I think or I'm sure I've heard it. I just It's not in my brain.
Um, so I'm not going to be too authoritative on that. Thank you very much, Tammy Lynn. Um, yeah. I mean, some sometimes I choose to pin the guest down and make them pronounce a person's name correctly. Sometimes I let it slide. It just kind of depends on how I want the show to go. But I'm just I think the thing I'm going to keep pinning the guest on is that he made this claim about DEI being race quotas.
I think I'm going to stick him on that.
I think I'm just going to I think I'm just going to hold him down on that one cuz I just don't actually think that that is happening. Um Oh, it's Atangi that he's saying. Yeah.
Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Somebody else sent me Christina sent me a $5 cash app to say her name is Ketanji, not Atanji.
Yeah, I think that's why I had a maybe that's why I brain farted it at the beginning because he pronounced it so incorrectly that I didn't know who he was talking about. That's possible. I don't know. Um, >> can you read executive order? Can you read executive order 14035?
>> 14035.
Okay. Are you going is this an executive order that has something to do with race quotas?
>> This is Biden's executive order on DEI.
So, go ahead and read it.
>> Okay. Let me find it. Um, let me find this on government websites so we can get the exact text of it. Does it say anything about race quotas?
>> Why don't you just shut up and read it?
>> Well, I mean, you So, here what you're asking me to read is >> Why don't you shut up and read it? Read.
Just read it. It's not that long. Read it.
>> You want me to read this whole thing?
>> No, dude. Go up. Scroll up. What are you on? Are you on congress.gov? Okay. Just read the first part. The summary. Read the first summary.
President Joe Biden issued executive order. Oh, wait. This is a description of it. Do you want me to go find the exact language of the >> It's a summary. Come on, just read it.
>> No, you said to read the exact >> It's telling you what it is. Why are you running, bro? You're so freaking scared.
I give you something and you run from it.
>> I'm looking for the executive order, not a summary of it, >> dude. It gets into the It Oh my lord.
>> I think right here we go.
>> Oh, you're going to read all that, but you won't read that little bit. Okay.
>> Well, well, I just go to primary sources on my show. That's very important to do.
Which part of this is that?
>> That was that was a primary source, too.
That was the Congress.
>> No, the primary source is the executive order.
>> The the executive order is the primary source.
>> You were talking about reading all that.
So, okay. So, then read it. Read the whole thing. Go ahead.
>> I mean, do are you which part of this enormous document do you have a problem with, >> dude? Oh my lord, man. You are This is stalling, dude. This is so funny. You're stalling. I give you something and you won't read it. Read it. Read the summary. What is it? diversity, equity, inclusion, accessibility, and the Wait, go back and read that. Go back and read that.
>> I'm going back I'm going I'm going back to the to the summary. Dude, relax. I'll >> I'm going back to the Oh, now you want to read the summary. Go back to it. Come on.
>> I think it's ableist for you to do that what you just did. Um, what did you want me to read? Where was it? Um, executive order. Yeah. Where was it? Did we have it on congress.gov? Here it was. What does the summary say? The summary says, "President Joe Biden issued executive order 14035 on diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility, DEIA, in the federal workforce, which mandates that federal governments enhance its ability to recruit, hire, develop, promote, and retain talented individuals and to act as a model employer for DEIA.
This executive order required the Office of Personal Management, OPM, to create a governmentwide DEIA plan and required the executive branch agencies to create their own DEIA strategic plans and task them with several DEIA related responsibilities. In addition, EO14035 emphasized a number of topics in relation to DEIA, including paid internships, partnerships, and recruitment, uh, professional development and advancement, training and learning, equity for employees with disabilities, equity for LGBTQ plus employees, pay equity, and employment opportunities for formerly incarcerated individuals. Okay, race quotas.
>> Oh my lord, dude, you are so crazy. What does that mean when they sit there and they say that their own strategic plans, right? So, they're sitting here and we all know because Trump has uh he he he uh recused this um executive order with his own executive order saying that they're not going to hire off.
>> Once again, Trump gave an executive order saying that to hire >> Do you want me to tell you what that does mean? Cuz I do happen to speak English. No, what it does mean is it's it's it's it's language, but it says it right there that they're going to sit there and look at LGBTQ people, right?
And and >> you know what the word equity means?
>> They already have equity. Yes, they do.
How do they not have equity? How are they not equal to everybody else in the in the United States?
>> Because when we study because when we when we study hiring practices, we see that there are a lot of businesses, a lot of employment opportunities, both federal and private, both governmental and private, where people are >> disproportionate. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You cannot sit there and say, "Oh, because people don't want to hire certain people that they're not equal. How are they not equal? They have they they have the same rights as us.
They have the same processes as us." If somebody shows up with a certain look to them, >> you asked a question how, I will tell you how. It's that if we tell what rights do they not have that >> that's a different question. Asking for what what rights they have is a different question than the how that you just asked. Do you want me to stay on what you were talking about or do you want me to just spend more time addressing the fact that you're gish galloping on from point to point because you know I'm qualified enough to answer these are not equal. How are they not equal? How are they?
>> Because if we quantify if we quantify how qualified people are based on what it says on their resume, we can run data analyses of how likely they are to get a job interview or get a job. And what we find is that it is unfair to be a person applying for a job if you have skin color that isn't white or one of these other identifiers.
>> That is such a lie, dude. That is such a lie, dude. So the fact is is people can hire >> Once again. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. No.
I have the floor. It's my show. Silence yourself. I don't use the mute button on my show. I'm not running. You are running away. I am not going to let you talk. I'm going to talk over you until you bring Let me bring this back to the thing that you are running from. You are running away from your inability. Excuse me. I will disconnect you if you don't sit the [ __ ] down and let me run my own show. You are running away from my question about race quotas. Race quotas.
Race quotas. You said there are race quotas. You said there are race quotas.
Quotas with LGBTQIA, people of different abilities, people of different races. I don't care what particular component of it is.
>> Over anybody else.
>> Show me where it says that.
>> It doesn't have to say that. It says in there. If it doesn't say that, you are making up [ __ ] Dude, that is completely [ __ ] we have seen it objectively. We've seen it practiced in >> Then why did you ask me to read this executive order as evidence of the race quotas? Cuz that's the topic we were on.
That's the topic that you are running from. You are running away from a claim that you made about race quotas. Then demonstrate to me that there are race.
Look at you pivoting.
>> I'm pivoting back to something you ran away from. Show me that there are race.
>> I'm giving you I'm giving you example, right, of Biden himself. And >> we read it. You read the summary that you demanded I read. It doesn't mention I'm allowed to interrupt people on my show. I'm >> let me talk. Yeah.
>> I'm not letting you run away because I can't let other people have opinions that different is a dictatorial environment. In a production environment, the producers in charge.
I'm the [ __ ] producer. I'm in charge of the show. You're a fascist.
>> I I run my show with a fascist iron fist cuz I'm allowed to. Cuz it's a private enterprise, you dumbass. Come on.
>> No, it's not a private enterprise.
You're on Tik Tok, you idiot.
>> Yes. Yes. And Tik Tok has authority over me and you, which is why I can get kicked get a harassment and bullying flag for calling you a dumbass.
>> So it's not private, you idiot.
>> I'm allowed to be a fascist on my show and say that you have to go back to >> Yes, I am. I'm going to insist that you go back to the topic you're running away from.
>> I'm not running away from the topic. You will not let Wait, hold on. You have to shut up while I thank a donor and we're not going to proceed until you do. Can you shut up for a second?
>> Man, you already lost this. You have a >> run. He's going to run. He's going to run. He's a runner. He's going to run.
He's going to run. He's going to run.
going to leave. That means he's running away.
Go ahead. I just proved to you that you were wrong. Go ahead and run away.
He's going to [ __ ] run.
>> Are you going to address it or not?
>> Wait, no. Are you going to give me a second?
>> America.
>> That's why everybody in America voted for Trump because of these DEI policies.
You guys are such I have somebody to thank for a YouTube super chat. Are you going to shut up and let me thank them? Hey, you have a good one, man. I'm out of here.
>> He's going to run. He's going to run.
He's a runner.
Give me a Can we get like some some running emojis in the chat for that guy?
Um, does any Hey, in the chat, let me know if anybody was convinced that there are race quotas because of DEIA policies. Glazed Shades, thank you so much for the $10 YouTube super chat.
Didn't even leave leave a message. He just sent me 10 bucks. Totally appreciate it. Um, so yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much. Oh, do we have more uh do we have more cash apps coming in?
I Everybody's everybody's really mad at that guy. Um for what I think are probably some pretty good reasons.
Um uh Glazed Shades. Oh, sent another YouTube super chat for five bucks to say, "Show us the proof collar." Yeah, that didn't happen. If you if you like the degree to which I hold the guests feet to the fire, you can support the show by following me on the other platforms by going to the link tree in my bio. and do me the extra special favor of scrolling all the way to the bottom and follow my other TikTok accounts, Oscar Quinton 2 and Oscar Quinton Music. So, the main account is just Oscar Quinton and I surely will get banned for something eventually. Um, but you know, when that happens, I hope those accounts have enough followers for the show to be functional and for me to get callers cuz I know I'll have fewer viewers that day. I just I'm hoping I'll have callers. Anyway, we're going to talk to uh Narnia Man with three exclamation points, and we're going to see if he is able to substantiate the claims that he brings my show, cuz so far today, nobody has been able to do that.
>> How old are you?
>> Hello.
>> Hello. How old are you?
>> Um I'm 27.
>> Are you a Trump supporter?
>> Uh I am not. I just had a couple questions just right quick. Uh do you have a Discord that I can join?
>> Uh yeah, hit up the mods. um the Mama Avery and uh some such people and they'll make a decision. I don't make the decisions about who gets in the in the Discord. We we've got some security concerns at the moment because of the nature of what I do. Uh but the queue's empty if you have another question really quick.
>> Okay. And the other question is is that um where do you generally get like your information? Where do you get like you know when you're either talking about law, talking about economics, like where do you generally go to get your information? Well, so I'm in a I'm in a slightly privileged position right now because I have people who just present that information for me when I need it.
That's actually one of the things that Discord's pretty good at. Um, so it's I'm in a little bit of that situation where my ear is so close to the ground.
I spend so much time looking at this stuff that I often don't have a better answer than spend 8 hours a day on it like I do. Um, because it's different for different topics. Um, you have to you have to learn what sources are good for which types of questions. And one of the one of the it's been kind of stalled lately because I've been trying to figure out how to tackle it, but I'm trying to create some resources for the public to answer that question generally. Um because I can give broad answers like that Reuters and AP and BBC are good news networks that will tell you what's going on without lying to you very much. Um and when it when it comes to asking uh questions about what the laws are, you should look for exact text of the law as listed in the state or federal statutes. And then for interpretations of those laws, you should look for educational institutions. you should look for case law and you should look for for as primary a source as you can get on on people who know about it because it's it's it's very hard to trust a legal interpretation of what a statute says when the when the outlet that you're getting it from has any commercial or political bias and that's that's very hard to snuff out. So you really have to just analyze and scrutinize everything you're looking at. The previous caller was was wanted me to read a summary from congress.gov and he was calling that a primary source and I was pointing out that just because it's from congress.gov which is reliable for certain things doesn't mean that it's a primary source.
The executive order itself is the primary language. Who wrote the summary?
We don't know. Was it a Republican or a Democrat? We don't know. Um, so you have to, it's often very case by case. I wish I had a more clean answer than that, but it's a [ __ ] rat's nest. And the best you can do is spend a lot of time engaging with it and learning how to determine what's uh what's what's a good source based on the track record of these different organizations.
>> Well, no, and I totally understand that because obviously you're dealing with a situation where I mean, again, when we're dealing with like a government system that is designed by the president of the United States to like basically allow him to lie, right? And lie all over the place. Whether it be like the DOJ and Pam Bonnie basically trying to hide as much information when it comes to like the uh files for example or um you have like Cash Patel that like one of the craziest things for me was the U Minnesota situation um whenever that ICE agent like basically killed I think it was Renee Good. Um, and obviously there should have been an investigation and I think that's what the motan like police was going to do was bring that one ICE agent in, but they ended up basically just sending him to Florida and the FBI did nothing about it, right? That's like their literal job. Um, so it's very I can understand how like difficult it is to be like, okay, I can trust like this voice or I can trust this official when like Donald Trump has basically set up the entire situation to be in his favor.
Um, but I feel like still even if we have a judicial system or a like justices that aren't exactly nonpartisan, um, I think it's still important to probably take their word for it, even if they're a Republican or a Democrat, but just kind of fight more on like a moral ground or an ethical ground where if you kind of don't agree, it shows them in a bad light. Is that a Do you think that's like a good way to kind of debate or argue? Well, it's I mean, like I said, it's it's it's it's it's very touchy and and the reason I'm reticent to give broad answers about things like that is just because it's it's it's so different where you should go for a source depending on the type of topic. I mean, the chat's even pointing out that for things like papers, you should go to Google Scholar, which still exists, and we'll just limit your results to actual academic papers that are respected by accredited institutions. Um, but I mean it's it's it's it's a huge messy topic and I'm I'm just I'm just too too careful to try to like I h I haven't formulated my good answer to these questions yet, which is why I'm so hesitant. I I know I know that's frustrating because I sit here and deal with it all day, so I should have a better answer. But the fact is how to research in 2026 is a moving target that I'm I I myself have to deal with all the time. And I I do I do lean on people I trust. I have experts who have demonstrated that their expertise is good. I have I have lawyers who provide me information. I have doctors who provide me medical information. And I have people with personal experience with some of these issues that point me in the right directions. It and and I'm I'm completely privileged in in that respect. So I I just I I I wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't. It's complicated.
>> No, that's Yeah, that's totally fine. Um well, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
>> Appreciate you, too. Thanks for hopping up. The queue is empty. Do we end the show early today? We've been kind of loosey goosey on how long the show is.
Bobby sent me $10 on Snapchat to say white men just go weak when they aren't special. I think I know who he was talking about that that not that previous caller but the one before him the not friendly caller who crashed out pretty spectacularly when I it's a fascinating phenomenon is that I will do the thing on this show where I where I force the guest to stay on one topic. We are we are on this claim of race quotas.
Speaking of that Discord will one of the mods on the Discord said the US Supreme Court has explicitly struck down racial quotas in two landmark cases and then he lists them.
W Discord I should have seen it earlier.
I'm super bad at reading the Discord during the show. I got to work on that.
But um but um you know there's this specific phenomenon that occurs where I will pin them to a point like the race quotas and then they will say that I'm pivoting.
They will say that I'm running. But what in reality is happening is they are pivoting away from the question of race quotas or whatever it is. They are running away from that. So anything that I try to say nope you've moved on to other stuff. You are not addressing this specific claim about race quotas.
They're telling me I'm running and it's just bad debate tactics in the moment.
If you joined just 10 seconds before they started doing that it might look like I am running. might look like they're talking about something and I'm saying, "Nope, I really want to talk about this race quotas thing." But the way I run the show is that if we have a specific claim like DEI policies cause there to be race quotas, we're not going to move on from that until we solve it.
And that's the sort of call that you get where somebody just, you know, flips out, throws a temper tantrum, and runs.
Um, and is just, you know, massively disrespectful along the way. But that's what the show is for in a lot of ways.
There's a lot of different purposes for this show to exist, and one of them is to demonstrate that people like that just have no idea what the [ __ ] they're talking about, and they don't care. He likes the idea of DEI being uh race quotas because it supports his argument.
It supports his position. It supports his efforts to oppress people who otherwise would benefit from DEI policies. So, he's not willing to even engage with the technical possibility that he's wrong about there being race quotas caused by DEI policies or caused by uh uh Biden's executive order about the subject matter. Um but if you're not willing to intellectually engage with that, then you know it's just not it's just not interesting. We got a default user who says, "Bro, look at this.
Timuin LMA got the piano and all." As though that wait, do we need proof that I can play the piano? Like, hold on. How do I We don't have a caller, right? If you think I'm a team, why is it not going?
Oh, it's not even open. Hold on. Let me fix this. Uh, let me Where's my Let me open up Reaper. Sorry, my piano's not turned on.
The piano was there before I started doing the show. Like I didn't set up the studio to do the show in. It was just there. Um, is it loud for people?
I'll play something popular.
Let's see if I get YouTube flagged for a for a stolen melody.
Heat. Heat.
There's my cover of Pink Pony Club from memory.
Yeah. Team Oudin. Teimo Dean, I doubt he stayed to listen. Did it does the piano come through? Okay. Does it like work?
Um, it's loud. Yeah, it's hard it's hard to to get balanced right. Um, but in the post version of the show, it'll be fixed because I can I can fix that when I edit the VOD together. Oh god, I moved all my windows around. What have I done? God, what have I done?
Oh my god, Reaper, go away. Sorry, I me I messed up everything by doing that.
Okay, here we go. There we go. It is a little tiny. I think it is just a little tiny the way I have it set up right now.
Um, is that the end of the show? I don't know. That might be the end of the show.
Um, I don't know if I'm better than Dean.
Dean's pretty good at playing the piano.
Um, but I don't know. I feel like that's where the show ends today. Um, I feel like we've had such a high energy show. We got 25 minutes left. Do I just wrap it there? Um, how is your learning curve on Reaper? Took me forever to learn. I'm a computer programmer, so I'm like comfortable. Reaper, by the way, is like the software that connects all this music equipment together and like makes it all work as one cohesive system. It's where you can like produce music and stuff. If you're familiar with like Logic and stuff, Reaper is just a poor man's version of that. It's free. Um, it's a little hard to use cuz it's free.
Sometimes you need to write a line of code to get two things to work with each other. And I'm not I'm not like afraid of that personally. So, Reaper is a little not user friendly. So, my personal learning curve was was fast cuz I'm good at software like that, but I do recognize Reaper's pretty [ __ ] hard to use. Um, it actually did take me [ __ ] forever to get even just a grand piano sound. Working on it. Um, um, uh, Jazz says, "Woo, yeah, piano man, for five bucks. Thank you for the YouTube super chat." I don't know. I feel like today's been so high energy. I just want to for a little bit. Um, but I could turn it down. Let's see. This where why is it gone now? Did I close Reaper? What did I do? Oh, never mind.
Whatever. Um, did I write or do code for work? Yeah, I've had a lot of experience as a programmer. I was a roboticist for a long time. I used to make robots that like run giant installations in art galleries. Many hats I've worn, but many of them have required me to be a programmer. And I also used to teach programming to to kids, like computer programming with like code.org and stuff. So, and I I just have a lot of personal projects that I've like used code for. Um, so yeah. Um, Pudgie's pointing out over on YouTube that he uses Reaper but doesn't code. You don't have to be able to code. It's just that type of software where sometimes you might need something of like a duct tape type solution to get something to work.
Um, as a programmer, am I super particular about English punctuation?
Ah, we programmers have a different relationship with program with punctuation, don't we? Um, I don't know. I I spent enough time studying English grammar and punctuation for programming that I kind of can't feel them separate. Um, with your baritone, consider this one vote for Fire, Water, Burn, No Content Issues, I swear. Message me that privately. Maybe I'll look it up. I don't really have any covers. I sing with the piano. Oh, but no, like what's the I I've been waiting for that lady to come crash the show with um with We Are Charlie Kirk. Wait.
Oh, now I want the piano to work again.
I have stopped caring about the show being good today, by the way, everybody.
There we go. Okay, hold on. So, if I turn that down a little Okay, wait, hold on. What are the I always assume that AI music is uh is in a minor because it almost always is.
What are the chords for We Are Charlie Kirk? Cuz I'm waiting for the lady to come to come try to sing We Are Charlie Kirk at me and I feel like I should learn how to do it to to upstage her.
What are the chords?
Let's see. Hold on.
Was I right? It is an A minor. Okay, hold on.
It's friendly time. I'm just going to have fun for a little bit and then wrap the show. So, I don't I don't care if you double tap on the screen or not.
We're just just us girls here. Hold on.
A minor.
And it comes off an E major. So, it's like we are Charlie.
We carry the frame.
We fight for the love.
Um, what's going on in the chat? Why is everybody talking about Will? What did Will say?
Maga's favorite chord, A minor. Oh, but that's it, right? I don't I should listen to it because I don't actually know anything other than that little hook. It's off an E.
Anyway, um I'm not quite playing it by ear. I'm uh I I uh cuz I'm looking at the chords, I'm just kind of getting the that that's one skill I do have on the piano. I can I can just kind of play chords. Like if I know the chord progression for a song that I can hear in my head, I'm pretty good at like getting the you know, that's like how I do the Pink Pony Club thing is like I know the song so if I know what chord progression it is, I can like find the the vocal melody in there.
Um but I want I want I'm waiting for Mar to come crash the show so I can so I can I can do It'd be it'd be hilarious if I could play the accompaniment for her, but that's not how it works because of the audio delay. You can't like I can't play piano for somebody who's singing unless I completely ignore them because they're by the time the sound gets to me, it's like twice delayed cuz it the piano has to get to them and then their sound has to get to me. So, it just doesn't work.
Um, but uh am I am I am I on Mars Hitless? Is she going to come sing for us? I kind of I keep seeing clips of Dean like disconnecting her right away, but I feel like it'd be fun to have a music battle with some Pikmi girl. H DM me covers to learn.
Um yeah, that's it. That's it. I scared all the people away with my music. I'm going to w the show early because I've got a gig tonight that I need to get prepping for. Um you guys, thanks for hanging out for the music stuff. You guys have a good day. Goodbye, Tik Tok.
Oh, go to the link tree in my bio. all that stuff, you know, support the show.
Thanks everybody. See you guys tomorrow at 10:00 Central time uh on Tik Tok Live and YouTube.
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