Trevor Bachmeyer Tells All: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

Added: 2026-05-27

[00:00:00]Don't even get me started. I could do this all day.

[00:00:02]>> You're already started and you are doing it all day and I love it.

[00:00:05]>> When people come to see me, I genuinely care. You might not like what I say, >> but that's why you're so brutally honest. Cuz you care.

[00:00:10]>> Tell the truth. There's less to remember. Like you catch people, you cure people. No, I don't. I just clear all the crap out of the way.

[00:00:16]>> I've had a coach since I was in fourth grade.

[00:00:17]>> Look at how you operate.

[00:00:18]>> Yes.

[00:00:19]>> Look at what the hell you did on American Gladiator. You beat the [ __ ] out of people for a living.

[00:00:23]>> God, that was fun.

[00:00:24]>> That was rad.

[00:00:24]>> Hi, welcome back to Chilling with Ice.

[00:00:26]And I am your host Lorie Fetric aka Ice from the American Gladiators. And I'm so excited about this new season, Chilling with Ice. We're going to have some amazing guests. And >> well, can I do it?

[00:00:37]>> What do you want to do, Jeff?

[00:00:38]>> We are chilling with ice.

[00:00:40]>> Oh, there we go. I've missed that.

[00:00:42]>> Yeah, >> I have missed that.

[00:00:44]>> And we've missed our audience, too.

[00:00:45]>> I know. This new season's going to be amazing, though. But man, the last, you know, the last few months, what's been going on has been crazy.

[00:00:53]>> Yeah. What have you been up to? Uh, I I actually got on stage and I competed.

[00:00:57]Sweet.

[00:00:57]>> I competed um Masters over 50 in figure.

[00:01:01]That was pretty amazing. A lot of fun. I started my Only Fans page. That's like Yeah, that's like going off right now.

[00:01:08]It's chilling. We're going to have a whole episode about that and why um did a movie.

[00:01:13]>> Sweet.

[00:01:14]>> That was a lot of fun. And um I mean there's so much more going forward.

[00:01:18]>> Yeah. Well, keep going.

[00:01:20]>> I am so excited. But you know what?

[00:01:21]Let's let's get into our guest today.

[00:01:23]I've got a great guest. He is an amazing doctor. His name is Dr. Trevor Bachmeire. You've probably seen him on Instagram. He is all about biology. I mean, everything that you could possibly want to know about peptides. This is your peptide guru right here. But I'm going to let him tell his story and what he's all about. And here we go.

[00:01:44]>> We are chilling with ice.

[00:01:46]>> Oh my god, Jeff. We're back in the studio doing this right now. I'm excited.

[00:01:50]>> Oh my. It has been way too long.

[00:01:53]>> Definitely. Hey, but I've got somebody here and I am so excited to get into this and interview him. I've been following him on my Instagram for the longest time. I didn't think that I could get him, but I reached out to him and said, "Fuck it. Let's try." And that is Dr. Trevor Bachmeire, and he is all about peptides and and biology. And I mean, his his bio is so long that I'm just going to let him tell you about it to be quite honest with you. sounds like a badass.

[00:02:21]>> Uh, but we've already been chatting here and he is one badass. And there's one thing that I love about his core values and that is he is absolutely ruthless, honesty, no [ __ ] It is about taking responsibility for yourself and never missing. And I absolutely love that. And I kind of live by that. I've lived by that my entire life almost.

[00:02:43]>> Sure you have. Of course.

[00:02:44]>> And I mean, yes, you're right. When people look at me and they're going, "You're 63? Are you kidding me?" And I'm like to me to me this is normal. Okay.

[00:02:52]And and we're gonna we're gonna kind of go there for a second. And that is I've just never quit. People are like how do you look the way you look and you have the energy and you're you know I just competed by the way in November at 62 years old you know against you. I was in the Masters obviously and figure and I was 50 and above. But I mean some of these girls have been competing for 10 years and then they hit the 50 mark and they're still competing. So I just kind of woke up one morning and said you know what [ __ ] it. must try to compete and see where I'm at with my body. And I placed fourth on the national stage with these girls, >> you know, that have been competing for years.

[00:03:26]>> Nice.

[00:03:27]>> So, my point is is that ever since I got into bodybuilding and I was an athlete when I was, you know, just in high school and went through the ranks, I I just never quit. And I think >> What did you do in high school? What was your athletic in high school?

[00:03:42]>> Um, I could pretty much do anything at that point. I was uh volleyball, softball, basketball. I was um a ski instructor at 18 years old up in the mountains.

[00:03:51]>> So fun.

[00:03:51]>> Um I wakeboard. You name it, I do it.

[00:03:55]You know, um >> your body knows what to do, right? Like biology wants to move. It doesn't want to be sedentary.

[00:04:01]>> No. And once you stop, you're screwed.

[00:04:04]And I can That is I I have watched my mom. She's 85 years old. She's one who I mean, growing up, we was all health food. We didn't get the sugary cereals, you know. Of course, we hated her as a child for that.

[00:04:17]>> Sugary cereal.

[00:04:19]>> No, neither did I. I was like, "What?"

[00:04:21]You know, we'd kind of like, you know, go to spend the night at a girl's somebody's house and it's like, >> "I get Captain Crunch. Oh my god." You know, kind of thing. But >> never got it.

[00:04:31]>> It was. So, my point is she trained. She was working out all the time. But then my mother stopped working out because she her lower back started hurting her and blah blah blah. And my mom, I come to find out, wasn't that great with pain. So, you know, I kind of work through it. You know, some people don't.

[00:04:48]They just stop. She stopped. And when she stopped at 75, her body went downhill so fast. I'm my my mind is blown by this, you know. So, it's just sad to watch.

[00:05:02]>> I hate hearing that because it's it's a choice, right? Take this off.

[00:05:07]>> Everybody's like, "Holy [ __ ] he's bald." Yeah, I'm really bald. Um Oh, it's a handsome man.

[00:05:13]>> It's Thank you. It's It's uh It's just hot wearing that hat. You know, it's funny. That hat has a story. Everybody asks me like, "Why do you wear this hat?" I go, "Well, listen." I go, "You do understand. I I don't market. This is I don't own this. Everybody thinks it's my hat." And I get people asking me to buy this all the time. Like, "Where do you get your gear?" I'm like, "I I don't have any.

[00:05:30]>> I've seen that somewhere before."

[00:05:31]>> We were We were in a store one day. My son was really young. He was maybe nine.

[00:05:36]And uh and he comes walking up to me. We were in Monterey and and he comes walk in Monteray. He's got all those little shops, right? And and so he comes up and he goes, "Dad, they have your hat. They stole your hat." And I was like, "What?"

[00:05:49]>> Okay.

[00:05:49]>> And he hands me this hat and I looked at it and I was like, "The Spartan. No kidding. All right, I get that." And he goes, "Yeah, yeah, you you got to get it. You got to tell them they have your hat." And they only had one. And so I went and bought it. And every day when he was little, he's like, "Don't forget your hat. Don't forget your hat. You got to have your hat." So I wear it all the time. It reminds me of my son. My son is such a badass. I love my kids and and so I wear it all the time. I It's a ratty old black Spartan hat, but behind it.

[00:06:14]>> Those are the best. There's a story behind it.

[00:06:16]>> That's awesome.

[00:06:17]>> Um, but I was I was saying about your your mom.

[00:06:20]>> Yeah.

[00:06:20]>> The deterioration. It happens. It's exponential. It happens when you age. It happens so fast, but the recovery is virtually impossible. But not because they can't.

[00:06:29]>> Because they're not shown how, >> right?

[00:06:31]>> They're not given the tools to do it.

[00:06:33]They're not shown how. They have nobody that believes in them. And we discard I just talked about this in a in a call today. We discard our our our aging population as a nuisance >> versus someone we should be taking care of. And and honestly, pardon my language, but if your parents raised you, uh you better [ __ ] take care of them.

[00:06:49]>> Oh yeah, 100%. You know, >> I think that's that's >> and that's that's what we're trying to do. And and it's interesting because she's like, "Wait until you get old and blah blah blah blah blah." And I'm like, "Yes, that will never happen to me >> because it's a state of it's a state of mind. Your body will change. But old is like saying you're poor. Yes.

[00:07:07]>> It's it's a state of mind. Right. I've been broke. I've been broke. I've never been poor.

[00:07:12]>> Correct.

[00:07:13]>> Right.

[00:07:13]>> Right there. 100%.

[00:07:14]>> They're not the same. Right. They're not the same.

[00:07:17]>> Well, and now we're in this world. And here's the other thing. I mean, this the honesty is, and that I when I read this in your bio, I was like, boom, we're on the same page. And that is muscle is your anti-aging, you know? And so many people are like, Lori, how do you look this way? What are you doing? You know, what are you taking? It's just like, >> I'll be honest.

[00:07:36]>> I just posted that. What are you taking?

[00:07:38]Not what are you doing? What are you taking? Where's the magic pill? I'm like, it's not a [ __ ] magic pill. I have put in the work, the discipline, everything. When I don't feel like going to the gym, I [ __ ] go to the gym.

[00:07:49]>> Go anyway.

[00:07:50]>> I go I'm going to feel >> It's such a cliche. It's such a cliche.

[00:07:55]You know, we hear it and everybody put everybody's This is an expert opinion machine, right? This thing. And and it's hilarious to me because everybody chat PT came out and everybody apparently has a PhD in biochemistry until you which is hilarious because I always say okay that's fine. So I do a call I do a call every Monday right and people always go I think he's reading from a teleprompter. I'm like you need to come to my call because I could sit here and do this all day long. You want me to go through the entire TCA cycle? I will.

[00:08:21]It's just going to be very boring for you. But the issue is that I do this call. It's my live Q&A with my black card. It's like this private little group that I do with people that want better health, right? And I rapid fire like answers for two hours straight.

[00:08:35]There's no teleprompter.

[00:08:37]>> Yeah.

[00:08:37]>> And everybody laughs when they hear that cuz they're like, "They need to sit down on one of your calls." I go, I just don't have the time to prove it to anybody. I'm 53. Honestly, I have I have my my Fbudget is zero. I just don't care.

[00:08:47]>> Yeah.

[00:08:48]>> But what I always say is this. put somebody on a stage in a chair with a spotlight and a microphone, no earpieces like Camala, and sit there and I'll I'll probably I probably just got you censored for that.

[00:08:59]>> Absolutely not. I trust you. I'm on your page.

[00:09:01]>> No, no earpieces. And get questions asked of you for four for four hours straight. If you can do that, you know your [ __ ] If you don't, shut your mouth.

[00:09:10]>> Oh, I've listened to you. You get in the weeds. I mean, I I I I can usually follow you pretty good, but then I'm like, you know, even when I'm talking to just general friends and when they're like, "What are peptides? What are you talking about? What are you taking?" I start to tell them and they're like, "You're talking a complete foreign language. I don't even know what you mean."

[00:09:28]>> Yeah. I have no idea what you just said >> exactly. So, what I'd like to do just for a moment, give me give me your 20 second, 30 second. And that is when people are because I believe that this peptide world that we're in right now, it's it's a little like there are people dabbing in it and they don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing and they don't know what they're taking. They're just they hear it on Instagram somewhere and then all of a sudden they'll grab one.

[00:09:51]They're like, I don't even know how to mix this [ __ ] and it's like, oh my god, >> I see it all the time.

[00:09:54]>> I know you do. So in a how would you in layman's terms just describe what peptides are for people and what they're going to be doing with them in the future because it's coming >> to the main to the main audience the main >> here's my take on peptides and and first of all the the explanation about them very easy >> it tells your body to do something it already knows how to do it's speaking the language your body already speaks and everybody hears this this generic chat GPT answer but here's the way I look at it makes the work matter more.

[00:10:25]>> Okay.

[00:10:26]>> So, if you do the work, it makes the work matter more.

[00:10:29]>> So, it doesn't So, so here's the struggle I have. So, a drug comes in.

[00:10:33]>> One second. When you're talking about work, >> again, for some of the listeners that they don't even know what you're talking about, when you say the work, they're like, "What's the work?"

[00:10:41]>> Anything you do, anything you do, whether it's working out, whether it's reading a book, whether it's healing your system, it doesn't really matter.

[00:10:47]It's the work you do because biology is constantly, it's running a system. You are this giant nuclear reactor with 37 trillion cells that are all filled with this strange thing called mitochondria.

[00:10:59]This symbiotic relationship where it's designed to go through the entire electron transport chain from complex one to uh the end of the the chain right for for ATP synthes where it spits out ATP which is how you survive which honestly can't function without selenium can't function without magnesium. So there's so many moving parts to this. So when people go, okay, I'm taking M C, for example, and they go, I'm going to take MOT C. I'm going to take it every day, and I'm going to take 5 milligrams every day. Are you effing high? So let me get this straight. You're going to take something that has a life that is longer in your system than 6 to 8 hours, which is why I get so much static when I say blends don't work. Oh, I get so many people, how is this guy have so many followers? He's always wrong.

[00:11:41]>> I'm 100% agree with you on that. Blends don't work.

[00:11:44]>> They can't work. And and the only reason is I'm not saying they don't work. They can't work biologically for one very big reason. I'll come back to the MC thing in a second. Once you open this thing, I ride this horse.

[00:11:56]>> So, here's the deal. If you took, for example, if you took BPC and TB500 and you put them together in a same vial, okay, the theory is sound. I always give people credit. I go, listen, I'm not this the struggle I have is I go, I'm not attacking you. It's like saying, listen, I'm going to come to you. Okay, listen, Lori. I want you to be my trainer. I've never worked out a day in my life. And so I heard that jumping up and down on a Bosu ball while doing while doing basketball and curls at the same time while trying to do [ __ ] snatches is the best way to get fit. And you're going to go, "What idiot told you that?" I'll go, "An influencer who's got 9 million followers." And then I'll go online and I'll defend it because I saw but I really don't have any expertise.

[00:12:35]And that's the problem with the internet. It is it's an opinion machine.

[00:12:38]>> Yes.

[00:12:39]>> It tells you the opinion you should have. It does. It's not about giving the opinion. It goes Lori, you should think this. Dr. Trevor, you should think this.

[00:12:45]That's not accurate. And it's allowed everybody to come out of their basement, like Maniscalo says, all these knuckleheads that come out that have never interacted with society, all a sudden they've got a place to start speaking and they come out and they start giving their [ __ ] opinions.

[00:13:00]>> And the problem is there's no value behind them. And that's what that's why it's a struggle for me.

[00:13:04]>> So when I see someone that comes in and they go, "Let's put a blend together."

[00:13:07]That's for money.

[00:13:08]>> Yeah.

[00:13:09]>> They want convenience. I don't want to stick myself twice. Okay, that's great.

[00:13:13]But TB500 has a life in your system of about six days.

[00:13:16]>> BPC has a life in your system of about six hours.

[00:13:20]>> But the issue now is I give you BP, one of them is going to be causing problems.

[00:13:24]So if I give you BPC and TB, BPC is required at least once a day. If not twice a day, it's better. 250 to 500 micrograms, twice a day is about where you should run if you're trying to do things other than massive. Like when I switch people from tzepide to red or true tide, my first day is five milligrams of BBC and then it's two milligrams for every day for two weeks until we switch. There's a whole protocol that I do with people because redu tide is a sledgehammer. It works so well, right?

[00:13:48]>> But the the issue is but now if I'm taking that every day, TB500 is hammering the same receptors.

[00:13:55]>> Well, it's called receptor desensitization.

[00:13:58]Endoccytosis. They go, "No, your biology knows what it's doing. It's smarter than you."

[00:14:03]>> Yes. So, it's going to pull the sensors off the surface of the cell. It's going to give you the finger and it's going to say, "We are getting too much. We can't do this." And it shuts down. But now you start causing problems. In fact, they've shown that it causes immune problems if you hammer your receptors with TB500.

[00:14:20]And it's like when people go, "Are you talking thus beta 4 or TB500?"

[00:14:23]>> Jeez.

[00:14:24]>> Okay, listen. Let me help you out. The the the piece of that puzzle that you're looking at, whether it's 43 or 17, >> nobody cares. your bio, your body goes, I'm only going to take that little fragment and use it. The rest of it, if you're looking for neuro like neuro repair or you're looking for immune modulation, there are infinitely better peptides that do it better than than than thymus and beta 4 because I had somebody go, he can't even tell the difference.

[00:14:52]>> Uh, you can use them interchangeably because your body's only going to go, I'm only going to use this segment, >> which is such an aggravating thing as as a guy that understands biology or biochemistry. I look at this and I go, "How is this so hard?"

[00:15:03]>> I know.

[00:15:03]>> That's like going back to the jumping on a Bosu ball doing curls. Like, how is this hard not to see? You're an idiot.

[00:15:08]Don't do it.

[00:15:08]>> So, when you go to the M Sea, like you said, taking it every single day, which by the way, >> I have I have a friend that Yes. He that's his protocol.

[00:15:17]>> Every day is valid in certain situations. So, that's not that's Yeah.

[00:15:20]But it's the dosage that matters. Mhm.

[00:15:23]>> So if I go most people So what I run for people and just to this is I'm literally giving everything away right now and not because it's a secret but because people get so butt hurt about it and this will cause all kinds of stir on your peptide on your podcast so you'll love it. Um 5 milligrams twice a week is about all you need. However, the problem is you're changing metabolic inflexibility to metabolic flexibility. So, you're switching your cells without getting into the the deep dive on it.

[00:15:52]>> Okay?

[00:15:53]>> You're switching them from becoming they're very efficient at oxidative phosphorilation and they suck at fatty acid oxidation. So, now you're trying to switch them from glucose to fats. And this is why people at about you can tell if you have a a metabolic insufficiency, if you have a a a switching problem because you get tired other than if you eat a bunch of sugar and you just crash, you get tired around 2 to 3 in the afternoon. Well, because your body doesn't know how to transition to the other side of the equation. So now when you take MOT C, it says stop storing, burn everything you've got, torch all your glucose, your glucagon, and it just goes it or your glucose, your glycogen, rather glucagon, uh, glycogen.

[00:16:31]Somebody's going to hear that and go, "Oh, >> I know, right?"

[00:16:33]>> Right? You know, people are, right? They just sit there and nitpick the [ __ ] out of your life, which always makes me laugh.

[00:16:39]>> Um, because I'm always like, "Cool, spell deoxxyribboucleic acid for me real quick backwards." and their brains just explode, right?

[00:16:46]>> So, but the problem is you're switching from one substrate to another, but your body's inefficient at the other side of the equation. So, if you that's people get really tired on Matzi, really tired a lot of the times on high dosages.

[00:17:00]>> So, I changed a protocol as a test with one of my patients one time. I went, let's do Matzi at 1 milligram every day and let's do it married to 25 milligrams of subqad plus. M so you have that electron transport system right NADH to NAD NAD+ back and forth where it's going through the electron transport chain where the KB cycle can't even function with every reaction requires NAD+ so in your in your biology. So if you to put it bluntly, I'm sure there's a few that don't, but the issue is that if if you have a substrate problem and you have no energy to fuel the system, you get tired >> because you've built your entire system, especially the Americans that we are all are. We eat refined sugars and carbs and all kinds of [ __ ] that we put in our bodies.

[00:17:46]>> Foods, all that [ __ ] >> Yeah. It's horrible food. And and the food manufacturer is in bed with the pharmaceutical, which is in bed with the banks. Like they're all a big disaster.

[00:17:54]>> Yeah. And that's a whole other podcast, but we could go down that route. Put on my tin foil hat and we'll go full throttle on this. But like I am >> finally the guy I've been looking for.

[00:18:04]>> Yeah, I am all tinfoil hat, baby. So, but the problem is you have a transition period of about a week to two and sometimes even four where your body doesn't know how it's trying to upgrade the enzyatic activity >> to run fatty acid oxidation. It doesn't have it because it's just it's got to retrain the system. your biology is always training. That's how it's working and you are the trainer.

[00:18:27]>> And so if you can't that's where the NAD+ comes in and it keeps you from from crashing and when when you start so that's when I have if they're really struggling with M C that's when I have people drop the dosage and run it just at one milligram every day and I do that for six eight weeks. Is it is it for everybody? No. And that's the problem.

[00:18:47]It's case by case basis where these guys come out with these sheets. Here's the here's the peptide cheat sheet. How does that work?

[00:18:53]>> I know that doesn't even make sense.

[00:18:55]>> That was going to be in my next question for you, which is interesting because there's like there seems to be a peptide for everything. But you said something on one of your podcasts that really stuck with me and it's just like >> your your biology in your body, it's I mean it it it's if if it's not up to par and you're and you're sick in some sort of way or you know your immune system's down and you know it's just not running correctly and then you start adding on all these peptides and people are like going why aren't they working? Why aren't they working?

[00:19:28]>> Because the problem is you don't. So there was so to come back to the difference about what you were asking me originally which was what's a peptide?

[00:19:34]It's a signal tells your body to do the thing that it already knows how to do.

[00:19:37]It doesn't there's nothing new that it makes your body do ever whether it's VEGF up signal like it doesn't matter what it is BDNF that I could do this all day. Yeah.

[00:19:45]>> It's that but a medicine comes in and says all right I'm going to go into Lor's biology and I'm going to make her biology do this regardless of whether or not it wants to. Which is why drugs will kill you. like >> because they go there's no safety mechanism.

[00:20:01]>> High blood pressure medication.

[00:20:03]>> Oh, [ __ ] me. Don't even get me started.

[00:20:06]If you look at >> I don't want to get I don't want to get you started on that. But that's the biggest thing >> or ARBs like if you look at an ACE inhibitor. So now let me get this straight. You're looking at something that just to quickly pivot. You're looking at so the the renanotensin eldoststerone pathway is is the system is how your body regulates blood pressure and it it's your heart is a secretary organ >> and it works with your kidneys. Mhm.

[00:20:29]>> And if your kidneys and like if you have a heart problem, check your kidneys.

[00:20:32]>> Mhm.

[00:20:33]>> And people never that like, hey, I get PVCs, I get PACs, I get all this stuff.

[00:20:36]I get arhythmias. I have I have all kinds of problems with my blood pressure. Well, check your kidney. Stop looking at the heart.

[00:20:42]>> Mhm.

[00:20:43]>> The problems with the damn kidney because it's sensing that there's an there's an either an an osmalerity issue, there's a tissue degradation issue, there's a signaling a conduction issue across the heart. There's so many things that come into play. It's a complicated system, but then they treat it with an an enzyatic interrupter basically that slows it down but never solves the the the systemic inflammation, right?

[00:21:04]>> It never solves the original problem, >> which is why metformin is such a problem, too. Because metformin, if I had to comp if I had to compare Matzi and Metformin, I'm going to take Matsi all day. They both operate on AMPK.

[00:21:18]>> Mhm.

[00:21:18]>> But the problem with it is metformin goes, "Let me wreck your mitochondria a little bit." So it forces to work. So I'm going to cause damage to make your body work, right?

[00:21:30]>> Yeah.

[00:21:30]>> And then you run into this plethora of issues where AMPK doesn't have any or where ModC doesn't have any of that. But it's still, you go back to the muscle thing you said, your muscle is this, it's this sink. It's this sink for glucose. It's like a glucose disposal system. And you actually turn your body violently insulin sensitive when you take mod C, which is why I tell people, stop using it as a pre-workout, dumbass, because it's making you do bad things.

[00:21:55]>> Eat food when you take mod C so you have the glucose to shove into your system because you become so violently insulin sensitive. But all of these things come into play.

[00:22:04]>> Nobody even knew that. Nobody knows these things.

[00:22:06]>> All of these. And that's the problem when I see these experts going online.

[00:22:10]And I I I really I don't I've never figured out why somebody would give me hate cuz I've never attacked anybody.

[00:22:15]>> Mhm.

[00:22:15]>> Other than the medical world, I'm like, "You guys are all a bunch of sellout chills."

[00:22:19]>> Totally.

[00:22:20]>> But the the flip side of that is when somebody goes, "I don't like what Dr. Trevor is saying." My question is why?

[00:22:25]>> Right. You're just >> I never looked at you and said, "I don't like you. Your face bothers me. I think you're stupid."

[00:22:31]>> I said, "This is what the way it is."

[00:22:33]And they're mad because people are listening to me and not to them. And they're I always go follow the money. I go go up into their profile and see if they have an affiliate code for some peptide company that sells a blend.

[00:22:44]>> Totally.

[00:22:45]>> Or that sells something and they have a protocol or they sell bio-regulators or they sell some bunky nonsense. And and I always go, listen, the point is your job if every this is why the medical world will decimate decimate any functional med naturopath. It will destroy all of us out here because they're organized and we're not.

[00:23:07]>> I agree.

[00:23:08]>> They're they're fighting as a team. We are not. We're fighting amongst ourselves.

[00:23:12]>> I'm going to wait.

[00:23:13]>> I have a question for that and I'm going to wait till the end because I I have a feeling you're going to go off the rails on it. But anyway, >> we fight amongst ourselves. We should talk each other. We do.

[00:23:22]>> Why?

[00:23:22]>> Right. We shouldn't read a true tide.

[00:23:25]the the I mean this is coming out hard right now when all the Instagram I mean I'll be honest I've tried it I've got my girlfriend on it right now and I'll be honest I know I know enough to get me in trouble but yet I know enough to watch it as well >> arguably the most incredibly effective peptide ever created >> okay so let me ask you this then because that's all I keep hearing now someone like me I was okay maybe it was the timing the timing wasn't great I don't know but it was like literally Literally probably a month before my show and I was approximately I'm going to guess 11% body fat. My coach wanted me eating six meals a day.

[00:24:06]>> Okay.

[00:24:06]>> And he puts me on rea.

[00:24:08]>> Yeah.

[00:24:08]>> And once he put me on rea >> I hated food. I couldn't >> I was like dude you want me to choke down six meals which I'm already struggling with at 200 you know 200 grams of protein protein too.

[00:24:23]>> Oh my god. It was insane. It made me nauseous. It gave me >> It'll flatten you out.

[00:24:27]>> Okay. Well, see, that's probably what it did. And I had no idea. So, I trick >> I took myself off it >> before my show. Okay. Go ahead. What's the trick?

[00:24:36]>> Yeah. So, most people take Red at True Tide and I I I think it's most people are recommending it wrong. They're recommending these monster doses. And I mark my words. I'll say this live on your show and I've said this before.

[00:24:45]I'll say it live on your show. Mark my words. Two to four years, you will start to see um hippatic issues. You will start to see you will start to see steattosis and and all kinds of hypatic problems because of reddatride not because of the peptide because of the incompetent use and direction from Reddit forums and kora and instab bros and insta experts coming out blabbing about how you should take 12 milligrams of red tride every week and wonder why.

[00:25:16]See, the problem is there's limitations of matter, right? The liver cannot process all those triglycerides. Your liver is only going to do a handful of things. It's going to burn it, package it up into VLDLDL, which are like the little trucks that move it around the bio around your biology, >> you know, or it's going to store it. And so, that's the problem is if it can't do that. So, if you are surpassing the liver's capacity >> to process what you're giving it, the liver goes, whoop, I'm going to take back all of this stuff. I'm going to put them into hpatocytes. They're going to balloon is what they're called. They blow up and now you get Oh, wait.

[00:25:50]Self-created fatty liver.

[00:25:52]>> Isn't that the whole point to not do that? I made a po I made a post about this and I had somebody made a I didn't even know this was was a thing. It's called a community note where people can get up together and gang up on you and basically say it's like a fact check but not quite because they figured out fact checks are full of [ __ ] >> And it says a community note and it says basically trash talked me in a polite way and then said it solves non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And I'm like, you know, you're right, except not at dumbass dosages.

[00:26:19]>> Yes.

[00:26:20]>> That should be the final the the final say. And that's why I said if you have a liver problem and you don't know it >> Mhm.

[00:26:26]>> and you exceed your liver's capacity to process what you're asking of it, which goes back to the peptide equation where you can't you when people go, I take 10 different peptides. I'm I just go your b your biology hates you.

[00:26:39]>> And they go, oh, you're going to get people are going to message you. They're I take it. He doesn't know what he's talking about. It's not the damage now.

[00:26:44]Oh, it's a damage later. Or the fact that you're going to look at you're you're you're causing with red tide, you are causing a problem that doesn't have to be there because you're impatient.

[00:26:54]>> Mhm.

[00:26:54]>> Because you're impatient and you think, well, I should lose 50 pounds every single month. But you you can't process that anyway.

[00:27:03]>> No.

[00:27:03]>> So now you fill your liver with fat, you cause a whole new set of problems. And they go, "Well, that's not possible because research says it solves non-alcoholic fatty liver disease." Not at 12 milligrams a week.

[00:27:13]>> Oh, 12 mill. That's insane. I >> They take these monster dosages or they micro dose, which is just another [ __ ] maneuver. And I got static for that, too. They're like, he doesn't know what he's talking about. So, let me get this straight. The biochemical engineers, these egghehead Einstein human beings that literally speak chemistry. That's all they do. They make me look stupid. They're so intelligent.

[00:27:33]They design a peptide with an appetite suppressant and a mobilizing agent called glucagon.

[00:27:42]they smack, which by the way, glucagon would be the worst thing you could take if you were fat. The only reason it even works the way it does is because GLP1 and GIP get in the way and it forces your biology to go, "Oh, we need to crank up thermogenesis in the liver."

[00:27:56]Wait a minute. So, it goes back to the liver and if your liver can't handle the thermogenesis, it says, "Let's make you fat in the liver and kill you later."

[00:28:03]Four years, mark my word. So the issue is if you take it every day, but the engineers said it's designed for a 6 day >> halfife, >> it's >> you're smarter. You're smarter than they are.

[00:28:13]>> Compound, >> huh?

[00:28:14]>> You should probably call them and call them stupid then because apparently these guys are dumb.

[00:28:19]>> Like I just I can't get my head around this stuff. And people are so argumentative and they're it's like a bunch of toddlers. Like when I go on social media, I hate social media. I hate my phone. I I've just about thrown my phone. I can't believe I haven't gone through dozens of these cuz I look at stuff and I go, "How are you so ignorant?"

[00:28:36]>> I know.

[00:28:37]>> It's not even dumb. It's how are you so ignorant? I >> It's the soc It's the society we're in right now. It's It's the era we're in to where you're absolutely right. Weird.

[00:28:46]You and I are the same. We're cut from the same timeline.

[00:28:49]>> Yes, we are. where I go, I would never like I How many times have you gone up to somebody's doorstep, you see a car in their driveway and you don't like it, quote unquote, and you go up, you ring their doorbell and they open up the door and you just blast them for having a car that you don't like.

[00:29:04]>> That's the >> Let me know when that happens. Never.

[00:29:07]>> I've never picked up my phone and gone, "Hey, Lori, let's do this live on the air. I'm just going to randomly dial a number and I'm going to [ __ ] talk the hell out of this person for no reason."

[00:29:14]>> No, but that's the way that's our >> You're arguing with pixels. I know.

[00:29:17]>> You're arguing with pixels. Okay. So, the red of True Tide it I I I've heard it's okay. So, >> every Okay, you just said it. You said it. It's great. It's epic. I mean, like someone like myself, >> it's a longevity It's a longevity peptide, hands down.

[00:29:32]>> That's what I wanted. I want to know this because it's like I'm like, should I be back on it again? I don't know.

[00:29:38]>> So, here's the part I look at. I I always I'm a lab guy. Not. So, I have to be I have to be I have to preface it with something here because as soon as people hear that, they're like, "Okay, what labs should I take?" I'm like, "Whoa, there's a whole list I give every single patient that works with me."

[00:29:53]>> Oh, I saw your list.

[00:29:54]>> But yeah, it's a very, very precise list. And I'm like, "Do all these. I don't even want to talk to you until I see them. Not because I value the lab. I value what your biology is doing." But here's the problem with current labs.

[00:30:05]>> They have changed as the population has changed. So the reference range is being modulated >> to according to current society. Well, the issue is current society is fat and lazy and chronically inflamed. They've got insulin insulin uh resistance. They got ATP dysfunction. It's my three biological failures of every disease.

[00:30:26]ATP dysfun like mitochondrial dysfunction, insulin resistance, and systemic inflammation. Every disease.

[00:30:33]>> Like I I I tell I joke about this on my podcast, but it's not a joke. I go, "Where's my Nobel Prize?"

[00:30:38]>> Yeah.

[00:30:38]>> Really? I'm not kidding. Where's my Nobel Prize? Because I deserve one. And and people go, that's a really cocky thing. I got the receipts behind me that say I know what I'm doing >> because I have countless people that have gone holy. Like one of my really good friends, and I don't want to say his name, but big Hollywood guy said, "You're the only guy that he reached out to me and he goes, "You changed my whole life, man." He goes, "I four years I've been dealing with this."

[00:31:04]>> And he said, "You solved everything."

[00:31:07]thing. He goes, "I I I I owe you such a debt of gratitude. I don't think I'll ever be able to repay you. Thank you so much." And that's only it's because of one thing. He You want the You want the operative word and the strategy to be successful in anything in life? I I'll I'll share it with you.

[00:31:21]>> Um it's four letters. C A R E. Care.

[00:31:25]Just care.

[00:31:26]>> Yeah.

[00:31:26]>> When people come to see me, I genuinely care. You might not like what I say, >> but you care.

[00:31:30]>> But I care. But I care.

[00:31:31]>> But that's why you're so brutally honest as well, cuz you care.

[00:31:34]>> It's easier. Tell the truth. There's less to remember. Like you got to tell your own story >> and and because if I like if I have an issue with my health, I'm missing a lung. Like holy [ __ ] if I woke up and the doctor's like, "Well, I got something to try talk to you about.

[00:31:46]Let's have an intervention." Okay, Dr. Phil, how about you just tell me that it's missing?

[00:31:50]>> Why I have garden hoses coming out of my side and why you have basically written me off as a person, >> right?

[00:31:55]>> Right. Forget it. You roll me out of a hospital wheelchair and I go, "Watch me burn, man. I'm about to tear this up."

[00:32:00]And that's exactly what I did because I didn't listen to the people said I couldn't. I went, I know what I can do.

[00:32:05]Mhm.

[00:32:05]>> And that's but that's how everybody should be. You just have to sometimes give them a shot in the head to make get them to do that. But when it comes to labs, I'll say this real quick. I need to see labs before I tell somebody what they should be. Cuz there are people that do I think everybody in the world should be on Reddit truth tide? No.

[00:32:21]>> No.

[00:32:22]>> It's like when people ask me, "Can I put my 12-year-old on Reddit truth tide?"

[00:32:25]No.

[00:32:25]>> Are you high?

[00:32:27]>> Are you high? Let me get this straight.

[00:32:29]You're building a Lamborghini.

[00:32:32]>> That's what you are as a child. You are building the most epic machine on earth and it biologically it is changing as by the day. Oh yeah.

[00:32:42]>> Anyone with kids, we all know this. Like by the day, >> yeah, >> you want to interrupt the signaling that's going on that God built inside you >> with a peptide.

[00:32:50]>> Are you out of your mind? Listen, if your kid's fat, I hate to say this and somebody's going to get real mad. I hope so. Get mad at me. Make sure. Dr. Trevor Bachamire on Instagram. Say something to me. But here's the here's the deal. If your kid is fat, look in the mirror.

[00:33:02]It's your fault. Oh, 100%.

[00:33:04]>> There's no such thing as genetics when people like, "Well, my parents were fat." No, your parents had the bad habits. You copied them.

[00:33:11]>> You go to the beach down here in Southern California and you see a family, guaranteed if you see a little fat kid walk into the water, you can watch that little fat kid walk right back up. And you're just like, I just I just sit there and I It's mindblowing because I'm like Irresponsible doing that. It's so irresponsible cuz I'm like, "Okay, you went through a life of obesity and you're miserable and there's so many things in your life and you are passing this along to your children and you're going to have >> you want to be liked by your kid."

[00:33:41]>> Oh my god.

[00:33:42]>> My job with my son and my daughter is not to be their best friend. It's to be their dad.

[00:33:47]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:33:48]>> It's to be their dad. My dad was so hard on me. My mom was so hard on me. I wouldn't have them. My dad was a preacher. A German preacher.

[00:33:56]>> Oh.

[00:33:57]>> Right. And I like I work like a grunt all the time. Perfect. My work ethic is I will do it till it's done, not till I'm tired.

[00:34:06]>> I like that.

[00:34:06]>> Right. And I think that why would you not be that way? So to to come back to rent a true tide, should you be on it? I would need to see labs. But the other side of the equation is when people go that's not enough of I always say 0.1 milligrams every week. And they there's I I actually cited all the research on my last post about Reddit True Tide. It was actually funny. Josh Du Hal reposted it. He's he's a good dude. I [ __ ] with him all the time and and he reposted it and he made a comment about how we need to start taking charge of our health. This guy basically knows what he's talking about >> and that's a big deal to me because usually the Hollywood types get a little bit like they have handlers and people like I don't know if you should talk about this because we might not give you another role.

[00:34:44]>> Oh my god. Whatever.

[00:34:45]>> Which is 9.0 in the weird [ __ ] in my life.

[00:34:47]>> I think what blows my mind more about any about humans, let's just go the human aspect of it.

[00:34:53]>> Yeah. God gave us this body. One [ __ ] body. Take care of it.

[00:34:59]>> Take care of it. Be responsible for it.

[00:35:02]Understand your body. I mean, if you don't understand your body, why the [ __ ] do you understand? People don't want to take the time. They don't care. They don't care what they eat. They're on the run. High stress. Stress kills everyone.

[00:35:16]We all know that.

[00:35:17]>> Cortisol, it'll kill you.

[00:35:19]>> Unbelievable. And so they don't >> I see I see more cortical cortical flattening. I see it on people almost all the time and they go, "Okay, what's the peptide that I can I take DIP? Can I take a pitilon?" And I'm like, "How about this? I'll help you out before you even take anything like that." And I'm all for it. How about you just get your big butt out of the couch >> before 7 in the morning?

[00:35:39]>> Because your your your cortical rhythm is designed to spike at 8 in the morning >> and then tank to rock bottom by about midnight. Yours is backwards. So, your SCN is all screwed up. Your system doesn't know what it's doing. It's peeking at 2 in the morning and you lay there staring at your ceiling fan wide awake trying to solve all the world's problems, right? And so, here's the issue.

[00:36:01]>> It's the truth. We all know this. And they're like, "What can I take? I'm going to take a sleeping pill." Okay?

[00:36:05]So, it knocks you out, but you're not sleeping. Your your cortisol is still high. So, when I tell people I go, "Get up.

[00:36:11]>> Go get your face in the sun >> for 20 minutes at 7 in the morning."

[00:36:15]anything deep in 20 minutes. 20 minutes in the And people go, "That is so bunky." I go, "Then don't do it. Then keep taking your ambient and waking up in your front lawn with your pants around your knees wondering what the [ __ ] happened."

[00:36:26]>> On my I'm real quick on my Instagram when I put my bathing suit shots and I'm by the pool. I have so many people going, "Well, it causes skin cancer, blah blah." I'm like, you know what? The sun is the healthiest thing that you could [ __ ] be in. You know, and what's causing your skin cancer, by the way, is all that SPF crap you're putting all over your body.

[00:36:45]>> You know, skin cancer began sunscreen.

[00:36:48]>> Sunscreen. I know. I know.

[00:36:49]>> Sunscreen.

[00:36:50]>> It's it's it's crazy.

[00:36:51]>> And you will get so many Let me cite this study. Let me cite that study.

[00:36:55]Okay, I got it. They're all by these infinite wind socks that have never been outside. So, I I just I can't >> hormones.

[00:37:01]>> So, I don't I don't argue with stupid though.

[00:37:03]>> I've realized I I you can't fix stupid.

[00:37:05]So, I don't bother. And I don't argue with stupid because they beat you to death with experience. So when you're talking cortisol levels going up and down like that, the one thing that I have to say that I was very fortunate of is when I had around I when I was going through pmenopause >> and I was going through those cortisol levels, I mean up and down and spiking all over the place. I got myself to a hormone doctor right away and went, >> I'm not going through this [ __ ] >> Okay, so let's see what my labs are doing. you know, progester. I was on progesterone, um, all the, um, uh, my estrogen, my testosterone, and I am that one girl that goes, if I can talk to women and actually inform them about HRT and that I have been taking it, and that they're like, >> I don't I don't no, I don't want to go on bioididentical hormones. I'm like, why not?

[00:37:53]>> What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? And they're like, well, it causes cancer.

[00:37:56]And I'm like, well, that blackbox label just went away, so now what's your excuse? corre but incorrect usage causes cancer.

[00:38:02]>> Yes. Balancing.

[00:38:03]>> But that's the same that's the same issue.

[00:38:06]>> Balanced.

[00:38:06]>> I look at people and they're like like the BPC thing. I just saw another one like that whole Nola and Sean Ryan. I was like, "Dude, you put me in put me on that show. Put me on that show. I will I will bury you. Put me on that show."

[00:38:19]They won't. They won't. No. I I saw Fox Fox and Friends the other day with Dr. Mike talking about how peptides are dangerous. I went, "Put me on the show, Fox."

[00:38:26]>> Oh my god. I just saw a post.

[00:38:27]>> They're terrified. They're terrified of me because they know I will I will ruin them.

[00:38:31]>> I One woman said I saw it on their her Instagram post that said peptides are causing cancer.

[00:38:37]>> What >> I So here's always what I say. So here's what I say and this is a blanket statement to everyone that's going to watch this or listen to this. I go absolutely. I want to know the one the one person that has one find me one in 30 years and 300 plus peer-reviewed studies and millions upon millions of people that have used peptides especially BPC when they go hey let me tell you um the veg signaling is going to cause cancer. Okay so 2014 they actually produce they prove that it reduced veg signaling in tumors. It your body knows what to do.

[00:39:08]>> It knows what to do. Never mind 2016 in nature they showed that it enhanced CD8 um tumor uh cytotoxic tea cells infiltration into tumors four times 4x.

[00:39:19]>> Mhm.

[00:39:19]>> So so BBC causes problems. It's actually resolving. It's anti-cancer. If I ever had cancer touchwood, if I ever went through it again, I'll tell you this. Uh first thing I would be on would be BPC and somebody's going to hear that and their brains are going to explode. But that means you do not have a fundamental understanding of biology because people go growth, >> cancer is growth. Therefore, anything that influ influences growth must cause cancer. But that's not true. Growth is not cancer. Chaotic growth is cancer.

[00:39:47]Unregulated growth is cancer. BPC tells your body to do what it does. What did I say at the beginning? Better.

[00:39:52]>> Mhm.

[00:39:53]>> So, it's not possible. It's not po chemotherapeutic drugs have never worked in the history of mankind. Somebody's going to get on you about that and yell at me. My grandma got saved by Vincen or methtrexate. No, they didn't. No, they didn't.

[00:40:06]>> That what happened is uh they probably either didn't have cancer or they did and they were lucky.

[00:40:11]>> Mhm.

[00:40:12]>> Because it didn't. It doesn't work like that. There's not a chemotherapeutic drug out there that has ever helped and no doctor anywhere anytime in the history of mankind has ever cured anybody of anything. I never People go, "You cure people." No, I don't. Biology does. I just clear all the crap out of the way >> and move it along.

[00:40:26]>> Your body knows what to do.

[00:40:27]>> Yeah, it does.

[00:40:27]>> Right. It's arrogant. It's arrogant to sit there and think that I am the guy that's curing anybody. That's so arrogant. I'm not going to say that, but I give you the right instructions and I tell you what to do. But when I see people with hormones and they're like, I'm not going on HRT. I heard it it causes it causes problems.

[00:40:45]Wrong.

[00:40:46]>> No, >> it's incorrect usage. And and never mind the fact that the one thing people should be looking if they're looking at their hormones is pregnant. And they never look at it. I'm like, pregnantone is literally the master hormone. Can't make testosterone, can't make estrogen without it.

[00:41:03]>> Mhm.

[00:41:04]>> And people are like, like doctors see testosterone issues, prescribe testosterone. Yeah, but what if that's not that's that's downstream thinking.

[00:41:12]>> Mhm.

[00:41:12]>> That's it. I'm the guy that goes, where's the cause, right? I can like if you have if you have a systemic problem, I don't look at what's being affected. I look at what's causing the effect. Mhm.

[00:41:24]>> Which is why I always go back to systemic inflammation, ATP problem, and insulin resistance. And I always or in like inflammation is literally a killer.

[00:41:32]>> Oh, that's >> it causes most problems. Yeah.

[00:41:35]>> Dementia, Alzheimer's, cancer, like you name it, it's inflammation. And and I think the issue when if you look at hormones like right out of the gate, Matzi, Kissepin, and Clom, people hear in Clomophane, their brains are going to explode. But they do them all wrong.

[00:41:47]They take in Clomophane for the entire time. Nope.

[00:41:50]>> Nope. Absolutely wrong. They take kisspin for the entire time. Nope.

[00:41:54]Totally wrong. If anything, you should take inclapene for the first like it's funny to me. The second you should take it during the follicular phase is the easiest way to explain it.

[00:42:04]>> Mhm.

[00:42:05]>> But they won't. They won't listen. And they'll be like, "What about the visual problems with enlomine? You're not taking it every day. You're taking it eight days out of the month." And the whole point is to get your biology to go back online so you don't need it. That's where the struggle is with peptides.

[00:42:18]They're taking peptides and they're going they're treating them like drugs.

[00:42:21]>> Yes.

[00:42:21]>> What's the next peptide I can take?

[00:42:23]What's the next thing I can take?

[00:42:24]>> Right. What can I take for this? What can I take for that?

[00:42:26]>> The whole point is to get your biology back online so it could do all its things. Like when I was eight, >> I wasn't thinking about peptides. I was like, when can I go outside and play?

[00:42:34]>> Hell yeah.

[00:42:35]>> And and I never worried. I wasn't struggling or weak. I was strong and full of energy and I ate whatever my parents put in front of me.

[00:42:43]>> And yet people go, "Well, what's the next?" I I people all the time. I had one guy, he just started with me. He was probably on 18 different things and he goes, "I feel like [ __ ] I'm trying keep trying to figure it out." I go, "Well, you're asking too much of your biology and it does you have so much." It's basically polyfarm pharmacy, right? It's you're you're asking so much of biology and it's going >> I don't have the capacity >> cuz you're it's a signaling molecule.

[00:43:06]It's like and and they just they aren't getting it. They're like, I'm going to stack all these peptides. Don't you have the nutrient? Like you said, if biology doesn't work, if you are missing magnesium, ATP synthes can't work.

[00:43:18]>> Mhm.

[00:43:19]>> If you don't have selenium, if you're not taking ubiquininal >> Mhm.

[00:43:22]>> can't work. Like if you have a if you have a feritin problem, if your feritin is below 40, can't work.

[00:43:28]>> Mhm.

[00:43:29]>> Like nobody puts this stuff together, which goes back to the labs where I go I look at labs and and Lori comes up to me and says, "These are the problems I'm having." And I'm always the guy that goes, "You got to tell me the truth."

[00:43:40]>> I don't care. I don't judge you. I don't care if it's some weird thing going on that you're like, I don't want to tell anybody about this. And I'm very like I'm always someone like I'm not going to go out and blast you on social media. I need to know.

[00:43:51]>> Right. Right.

[00:43:52]>> You know, like somebody's like, "Yo, I pulled down my pants. I got to tough the hair where it's not supposed to be."

[00:43:55]Well, I don't care. My job is supposed like I just look at this stuff and I go, "My job is to help you.

[00:44:03]>> I don't care what's going on with you.

[00:44:05]It's biology. I'm it's it's it's neutral for me. I've never looked at it." Like I've never looked at it as anything other than what's the problem, how do we solve the cause so the problem goes away.

[00:44:15]>> So biology speaking. Okay. So like I go into I go into my my hormone doctor and she's and and she's the one who actually first introduced a couple peptides to me >> um the GHKCU, you know, for skin. I was always battling like, you know, little fat pockets around my ass that I wanted to get rid of. Like let's try that. So anyway, >> you're stupid. You're stupid. That's so funny. That's it's always like all you women are like, "How do I get rid of this?"

[00:44:40]>> It's what can I take?

[00:44:41]>> Come on. It's It is what it is. But, you know, and then I'll have people like, "Okay, so what peptides are you taking?"

[00:44:47]And I don't take a lot. Maybe three different ones. Maybe three, four. And they're like, "How do you feel on?" I'm like, "I'm" and I'm going to be very honest with you.

[00:44:54]>> I don't know. I don't know the difference. And and she said something to me the other day when we were going over my labs. She goes, "How do you feel?" I go, "I feel great." And I go and and she goes, "Well, maybe that's why you don't know if the peptides are working because you're healthy and this is the way you're supposed to feel." And I keep waiting.

[00:45:13]>> Supposed to feel bad.

[00:45:15]>> Okay. That's the whole thing. I keep waiting for like, "Okay, is it going to kick in? Am I going to feel this boom?"

[00:45:20]And all of a sudden, everything's wonderful. I go, "I feel great all the time."

[00:45:24]>> So then you're doing it right.

[00:45:26]>> I don't know what's working.

[00:45:28]>> Now here's here's the real issue. I made a post yesterday, excuse me. I think it was yesterday, maybe the day before, where I said, "Perfect labs and feeling like garbage, not healthy."

[00:45:39]I said, "Perfect labs and feeling amazing." Healthy.

[00:45:43]>> Most doctors go, "Let's get your labs right." A good example, statins.

[00:45:47]>> Statins.

[00:45:47]>> Oh god.

[00:45:48]>> Are you kidding me?

[00:45:49]>> Statins. Terrible.

[00:45:50]>> If you look at O'Neal, right, she's always around talking about all this stuff and she's basically going, "You should have about 350 to 375 cholesterol." and they're trying to get you under 190. If you have to take your biology and slam dance it into the next zip code to try and get something to drop, that means biology is going, "I don't want to do this."

[00:46:08]>> Mhm.

[00:46:08]>> And it's fighting you.

[00:46:10]>> Cholesterol. This thing here, it's this weird gray thing that's operating while we're having this conversation processing.

[00:46:16]>> It's made out of cholesterol. You can't function without cholesterol. And they're like, "We have to drop it." It's such a lie. Statins are a lie. I have a really good friend of mine, incredibly actually owns this company. He's he incredibly successful guy, great friend of mine, and he goes, "Trev," he goes, "I I'm getting brain fog. I can't figure it out. Can you please help me?" I said, 'Absolutely.

[00:46:36]>> What do you got? And we start I said, "Just tell me everything you're taking right now. Let's start with that." Cuz he's super fit. He's really He's got a great mindset. He's like one of those old souls that just >> he's just he's gritty. Yeah, he's gritty. I I mean, I could His name's Bedros. Bedros Coulian. He's a great frigin guy. I love him to death. and and he said, "I don't understand what's going on." And so I looked through everything and I went, "Hey, you see those statins? Um, they belong in the round file in your gar in your in your kitchen. Throw them in the garbage."

[00:47:04]>> Mhm.

[00:47:05]>> And you know what happened? A doctor put him on those. And I said, "That's the most ridiculous thing in the world." I said, "I'll bet you 10 bucks you get off those, grain brain fog gone." He sends me a message. I I should pull it up and read it. He goes, "I've never felt so good in my life. I'm like an 11 out of 10." And then I got him set up on all the other things that he needs to do to fix the damage caused. And it was only a matter of months that he was on him.

[00:47:25]Statins cause problems. There's not a day in in anyone's life where a statin has solved a problem. Same with an ACE inhibitor. Same with an ARB. Same with metformin. None of this. By the way, diabetes, type two diabetes, it's self-made.

[00:47:40]>> Put down the muffin.

[00:47:41]>> I know.

[00:47:44]>> You don't have to eat it. When somebody goes, I have a carb addiction. uh you need to give me the doctor that gave you that diagnosis because addiction they should be beaten with something very big and heavy. That doesn't make any sense.

[00:47:56]You know what an addiction like nucleus cumbent. It doesn't even work like that, >> right?

[00:48:00]>> That's not an addiction. You know what's an addiction? Heroin.

[00:48:03]>> Yes.

[00:48:04]>> Not I can't put down this the the Jamba Juice.

[00:48:08]>> It's insane, isn't it?

[00:48:09]>> Yeah.

[00:48:11]>> The discipline and people I just want to shake them. We were we were taught to like my wife is she was a pro soccer player, right? So, she's very very driven and like just an insane athlete.

[00:48:23]It's just almost aggravating because I train against her and I'm just like, >> "What the I hate you." Right? Cuz she's like she's 20 years. She's my best friend. I love my wife so much. She's so awesome. And what's so crazy about that is that when like she's got such a she's coachable.

[00:48:41]>> Yeah.

[00:48:42]>> Right. She's coachable. And so when she does this stuff, she doesn't have another switch except finish the task.

[00:48:49]>> Mhm.

[00:48:49]>> Discipline. Why? Because she's had coaches.

[00:48:53]>> It makes sense.

[00:48:54]>> Pretty much any athlete, I think, is in that realm. And >> you're right there. You're the same.

[00:48:58]>> I've Well, I've had a coach since I was in fourth grade. I started playing softball when I was fourth grade. I had a coach. Yes.

[00:49:04]>> Look at what the hell you did in American Gladiator. You beat the [ __ ] out of people for a living.

[00:49:08]>> God, that was fun.

[00:49:09]>> That was rad. That was a >> I got my son hooked on it the other day.

[00:49:12]We turned on the new version. He's like, "This is awesome." I go, "I told you."

[00:49:16]>> Yeah. Don't even get me started on the new version, though. But anyway, >> it's it's it's not the same.

[00:49:21]>> No, it's not. It looks like a damn video game.

[00:49:24]>> And when I watched some of the I watched the last one where I was like, "Dude, there's no way. You're 6'2" and she's 5'1. Yeah.

[00:49:32]>> And you got her by 60 lbs.

[00:49:35]>> Yeah.

[00:49:35]>> No.

[00:49:36]>> Yeah.

[00:49:36]>> Put the nose ring. Stop. Take the tape off the nose ring. Uh, >> get off. Go somewhere else.

[00:49:41]>> Oh my god.

[00:49:42]>> People are getting hit. Here's the thing. You shouldn't say that.

[00:49:44]>> It's >> It's the WWE.

[00:49:49]>> WWF. That's where I come from.

[00:49:51]>> Me, too. You know how long?

[00:49:54]>> Exactly. I can go in WWF. They're like, "No, it's a E." And I'm like, "Where the [ __ ] go?"

[00:49:58]>> I'm like, "Yeah." When I first heard that, I went, "What?"

[00:50:00]>> Me, too.

[00:50:01]>> Where where are all the Ultimate Warriors? Where are these people?

[00:50:04]>> Yeah.

[00:50:04]>> Like, no, they're all actors now.

[00:50:06]>> Got it.

[00:50:07]>> It's the truth, though. Once you're an athlete and you've had a coach, I know it doesn't matter how good I am at something. I need a coach. I want that coach. You know what I'm saying? Because there's always somebody better than me.

[00:50:18]>> Well, but you want people better than you. Yes.

[00:50:20]>> Because that g I I I never want to be in the room.

[00:50:24]>> I I I I get so hungry for that. I'm like, "Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna catch you. I'm I'm going to" And then I just look for the next one. I look for the next one. And I I'm never going I'm the best. My goal is to become the best.

[00:50:36]Yes. not the same.

[00:50:37]>> I hear you.

[00:50:38]>> Right. And and and people have lost so much of that and and I it's being >> encouraged.

[00:50:44]>> Mhm.

[00:50:45]>> Right. We encourage big is beautiful.

[00:50:46]No, it's not.

[00:50:48]>> Um >> No, it's not.

[00:50:50]>> Like it's not it's just not. I'm sorry.

[00:50:52]And in fact, it is your your adiposites turn into little biological >> obesity. You they your adiposites turn into these little biological terrorists that puke out inflammatory cytoines and make you sick.

[00:51:04]>> Mhm. And yet they go, "But I could just take something for that and still stay sick.

[00:51:09]>> You didn't solve the problem.

[00:51:11]>> You covered the problem." Managed decline is the biggest lie in the world.

[00:51:16]Like if you look at insulin like in talking about rand true tide dementia Alzheimer's I just had this conversation with Brandy and that's my wife in in the gym this today when we're working out and I said listen I said wouldn't you think if I knew somebody that had dementia or Alzheimer's that you would want to exhaust every option >> not well the doctor says don't do that uh I'm going to say >> I'm going to try it anyway worst thing it does is nothing >> right >> the best thing it does is solve the problem right that's That's weird to me like and and you're going to hear this come out in my post today because I was so lit. But I went like listen I go I'm lit most of my posts but I was like listen let me let me let me explain this to you. You have someone you love and care about and you're not going to try let's say MC and read a true tide and BPC57 which is so been proven to to upregulate BDNF which is like miracle girl for your brain >> right >> it's shown to solve the problem.

[00:52:12]Instead, you're going to take Aerisept.

[00:52:15]>> But na the reason the reason why is because right now what's happening and this is the last question I'm going to ask you.

[00:52:22]>> Hit me.

[00:52:22]>> Okay. Trillion dollar industry by the way is pharmaceutical industry >> and that is the FDA. Once the FDA gets a hold of these this peptide world okay that was my question. Tell me.

[00:52:33]>> Here's why they can't. So here's why.

[00:52:35]Not because they because so watch. So the it takes anywhere from 10 to to maybe 5 10 maybe 15 years to run through FDA approval and about 2 to three billion with a B billion dollars.

[00:52:49]>> Okay. The problem is peptides are naturally occurring substances. You can't p you can't patent something that shows up in nature. So therefore, if you can't patent it, how are you going to recover your $3 billion?

[00:53:02]>> You can't because you can't jack up the price. You can't sell it. doesn't fit their money model. So, what they do instead is I love this because people ask me, "The FDA is going to get it.

[00:53:10]It's going to be safe." FDA will never get it. They'll bury it. And that's the nonsense. They're like, "Well, they switch these 12 from here to here." It won't matter.

[00:53:18]>> They're going to do each one individually. The whole goal is to gain control so they can shut it down. It's not gain control so they can make you like when people go to the FDA, it's not FDA approved. Your answer should be awesome.

[00:53:28]>> Mhm.

[00:53:28]>> Good. Cuz right now, I could go to any drugstore. You and I can go to any drugstore and I can buy enough drugs to kill me.

[00:53:35]>> Mhm. Oh, I know.

[00:53:36]>> Like this. I can take NSAIDs and uncouple the electrons transport chain, dump my glutathione, and die.

[00:53:42]>> Mhm.

[00:53:42]>> Just with an aspirin bottle, >> and that's free.

[00:53:46]>> Yeah.

[00:53:46]>> But but let me get this straight. I have to go get a prescription for antibiotics and for oxycodone. I'm not saying you should take it, but listen, there's no weird drug problem and there's no antibiotic resistant bacteria. I think that's [ __ ] I think it's because they want to control something that actually has a purpose. I don't care if somebody listen your body do what you want with it. That's not very responsible. So I can go to 7-Eleven and drink enough alcohol to get wrecked and die in the parking lot. I can take I can get MD20s in the in the at the counter.

[00:54:14]I can take whatever those trucker yellow jackets are that get me all sped up until my heart explodes.

[00:54:19]>> And I can take I can drink I can take cigarettes. I can get dip. I can take all the drugs. They're all at 7-Eleven and they will all kill me. Yeah. But I can't take a peptide that has yet in the history of mankind to kill anybody, cause any negative problems. Zero. Zero.

[00:54:34]>> Mind-blowing, isn't it?

[00:54:35]>> So, the FDA, the FDA can't, they they can't have that. So, instead, they censor it, suppress it, and call it uh unapproved.

[00:54:41]>> Beautiful. I love that. I don't want them to get a hold of it. That was my whole thing because they they kill >> They're going to try and bury the gray market, and it's never going to happen, >> right? Like, I mean, I I own a huge research company, and I I am free to I elite biogenics. I say it all the time.

[00:54:56]Okay, thank you. That was my next question real fast is because of the fact that everybody's like, "Oh, well, peptides are they're coming from China.

[00:55:02]You don't want anything from China."

[00:55:03]Well, then you got to research your companies. Well, are they manufactured here? And if you see one that says it's manufactured, does that mean the label is manufactured or the actual peptide is manu? So, that was the kind of weird weeds that I got into.

[00:55:16]>> That's the 100% pure beef equation. So, McDonald's had a company with their meat and it was called 100% pure beef, but that was the name of their beef company.

[00:55:22]It wasn't beef. Correct. And the court went, "You can't do that. That's a lie."

[00:55:26]>> Mhm.

[00:55:27]>> Right. So, because they're like, "That's not 100% pure beef. You just named your company that, so you can say it comes from 100% pure beef."

[00:55:33]>> Right.

[00:55:33]>> So, it's a nice play on words, which is the US is filled with stuff like that.

[00:55:37]>> But if peptides come, Listen, I I own and somebody's going to hear this, they're going to totally misconstrue it.

[00:55:42]The company I own in China is called Body Hacks. It is nothing to do with peptides before somebody freaks out, okay? But I've been to China dozens and dozens and dozens of times.

[00:55:50]>> I've owned this company for a decade.

[00:55:52]And you know what's crazy is it's not what you think. But I'm going to tell you, you think that the products in China are inferior?

[00:56:00]The number of times I've seen that is precisely zero.

[00:56:03]>> But that's what we're led to believe.

[00:56:05]>> Absolutely. Because it keeps you going, get them here. But then you're going to buy insulin here. And a lot of raws come from China. Who cares? If they're synthesized here, who cares?

[00:56:15]>> People like, we're going to have endotoxins and they're I heard that they're putting the vaccine in there, too, and they're getting you all to take the vaccine.

[00:56:23]remember. So here it's literally like this. Here's your sign. Here's your sign. I got nothing. Here's you win. You win the stupidity of the internet award.

[00:56:30]I can't I can't compete with So I don't bother.

[00:56:32]>> Okay.

[00:56:33]>> Right. I just don't argue with it. I just >> saying is basically it doesn't [ __ ] matter. It doesn't matter >> if it is. No. If it And people go, "Oh, my buddy took it and they got some catastrophic reaction from the peptides." My answer is like this. Show me.

[00:56:46]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:56:47]>> No, they didn't.

[00:56:49]>> No, they didn't. I have a friend of mine that died. No, you don't.

[00:56:54]>> And I call them out. I go, "No, you don't. Show me."

[00:56:56]>> Oh my god.

[00:56:57]>> The peptides cause damage. Show me the research. Since you're all about a bunch of research addicts, right? I go, "You FDA and research.

[00:57:03]>> Show me the research."

[00:57:04]>> And they they can't produce it. But I can produce endless PubMed, real pure like Lancet, like peer-reviewed journals that show peptides work.

[00:57:14]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:57:15]>> And they go, "Well, they're tested on mice though." Really? Viox 100,000 plus heart attacks. Vio pulled off the market. Tested on mice. How about Accutane? Causes birth defects.

[00:57:25]Big blackbox label says don't use it when you're going to have kids.

[00:57:28]>> Oh, totally.

[00:57:29]>> Right.

[00:57:30]>> Yeah.

[00:57:31]>> All FDA approved.

[00:57:32]>> Mhm.

[00:57:33]>> Stupid. I just get How about the latest one? C19. Oh, that worked out well, huh?

[00:57:39]>> I'm I >> don't Don't even get me started. I could do this all day.

[00:57:43]>> You're already started and you are doing it all day and I love it. And thank you for doing it all day because listen, everything that you're doing right now, we need people like you online because you're absolutely right. There's all these insta bros. There's all these people just spewing [ __ ] out there and you do get overwhelmed >> arguing amongst themselves though. Why?

[00:58:01]>> And the problem is is the general public gets overwhelmed. They don't know who to listen to. They don't know where to go to. So it's like people like you and people like me that I can put the message out as much as I can. It's like, "No, stop listening to these idiots out there and actually go to a source that knows what they're talking about."

[00:58:17]>> And I don't care if people buy from me.

[00:58:19]I tell people, I go, "Listen, you want to join my black card? Great. You want to buy from Elite Biogenics? Great. But if not, I don't I've done this for join Social Media for 12 years. I don't care.

[00:58:31]I'm doing this so you have an informed information. You have enough information to make an educated decision. Do what you want with it."

[00:58:37]>> Okay?

[00:58:38]>> And I'm very clear about that. I'm gonna join your black label.

[00:58:41]>> Black card.

[00:58:42]>> Your black card. I like black label. The black card. Because I am gonna live to 100. And that's the whole thing.

[00:58:47]Everybody's like, "Why do you want to live to 100?" I'm like, "Because I [ __ ] love my life.

[00:58:51]>> I love being alive."

[00:58:54]>> Oh, I love you. That just made my day. I love being alive.

[00:58:57]>> And I don't understand people that are in their 45, 48, 50. They're like, "Oh, I'm done. If I live till tomorrow, okay, I'm done." What the [ __ ] is wrong with you?

[00:59:05]>> Here's why. Look at yourself and look at yourself and your ability and your capacity.

[00:59:10]>> Mhm.

[00:59:10]>> And look at theirs.

[00:59:11]>> I know. I just I >> 11 medications they're on. You're on none.

[00:59:16]>> I Exactly. I know.

[00:59:18]>> They They don't Their version of working out is playing Candy Crush at an aggressive level >> or walking on a treadmill while they're working like that, >> which is just weird. I have I have a desk I have a desk where I work and people go, "It's better than nothing."

[00:59:31]You know what? I don't know. But I watch Duck Dynasty cuz it makes me happy. And I watch it's awesome show. And Jace Jace the the oldest son made a great comment.

[00:59:40]He goes, "Why would you go on a treadmill when you can go outside?"

[00:59:44]>> Mhm.

[00:59:45]>> Precisely.

[00:59:45]>> I know.

[00:59:46]>> I mean, the biggest glucose hack after you eat your biggest meal, >> get your butt out of your chair, immediately put down your fork, go for a onem walk at a 16-minute pace. You will bypass the liver storage mechanism and use all that.

[01:00:00]>> Okay?

[01:00:01]>> They don't do it. I don't do that. You know why I don't do that? Why do I get a sideache every time I walk after I eat a big meal?

[01:00:08]>> Quadrus lumboreum. It's firing up on you.

[01:00:10]>> Common. It's because your body, it's a muscle on the in the back. Basically stabilizes the 12th rib. It anchors to the poster iliac crest, right? So the the issue is that I see this all the time. You get a stitch, right? The side stitch.

[01:00:21]>> Yes.

[01:00:22]>> Yeah. Sucks. It's because your but Well, first of all, you're lean, you're muscular, and your body is going, I need to digest all this food. So all your blood goes to your digestive tract.

[01:00:30]>> Yes. Super common. Super common. If someone >> No, I I get it. I get it. But if you went for a walk, But if you went for a walk right now, >> no food, you'd probably be fine.

[01:00:41]>> Oh, great. I could walk forever. See?

[01:00:43]>> Absolutely.

[01:00:43]>> So that's why because paristalsis, all the contractions are happening, right?

[01:00:47]Everything's going on in your digestive tract. I I personally I think that would be it. It's not for It's nothing bad.

[01:00:52]>> Okay, good. So I'm not dying. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

[01:00:56]>> No. Interesting enough, I'm such a healthy consc I am such a healthy person, but yet I can be one of the biggest hypochondrics, which is [ __ ] up.

[01:01:05]>> Well, you got my number now. You can just message me.

[01:01:08]>> I'm going to You have no idea.

[01:01:10]>> Yeah, I'll take care of >> Thank you for being here with me and just sharing this hour with me >> because your knowledge is just unbelievable. And more people need to know about this. more people need to know about how to take care of their bodies and their minds and just their their overall spirit, their being. And they don't know. They don't know. So, if they can listen to you and just once in a while pop in and understand what their body is doing, that's that's all I want.

[01:01:36]>> You know, if I can help one person, >> make a decision, whatever deci I never I don't care somebody wants to use me or not, but take the information and then just go use it. Use it for your biology.

[01:01:47]Just do something good with your biology. That's all I care about.

[01:01:50]>> God, I love that. I could sit and talk to you for hours.

[01:01:53]>> It was awesome. This is >> We'll put our 10 cats next time we're going to put our little T hats on and we're going.

[01:01:59]>> Let's do it. I will I will show up with a tin foil hat and a hard >> I love it. Thank you so very much. Now, do me a favor. Do the old Where everybody can find you.

[01:02:08]>> You can find me Dr. Trevor Bachmire on Instagram, Dr. Trevor Bachmire on Facebook. Um you can go to applyunlockthecard.com.

[01:02:16]That's where my assistant Mia will take care of you for the black card. Elite Biogenics with an X.com. That's where the research all the whole research company. I can't say it, but you know what I'm talking about. If you know, you know. Um, and YouTube as uh as Dr. Trevor Bachmire as well. And I'm all over the place.

[01:02:32]>> Trevor, thank you so very much. I absolutely loved it.

[01:02:35]>> Yeah, it was it was good.

[01:02:36]>> I I think I just found a really great friend for the rest of my life.

[01:02:40]>> Anytime. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm all about that. Yeah, absolutely. For sure.

[01:02:44]>> And uh let's go uh team Gina today.

[01:02:48]That's Yes, that's right.

[01:02:51]I know this is the podcast is coming out after. It doesn't matter, but this is the day of the the the Rousey Corono fight and we're going for Gina.

[01:03:00]>> I told you I've known Gina and Kevin for so long and they're I just love them to death. Kevin's such a good dude and Gina's such a sweetheart and you know, you know, like they're just both good human beings. Like they're good people.

[01:03:11]>> So, let's and I love them both. Yeah.

[01:03:13]>> We'll say a little prayer for her.

[01:03:14]Everything is great and she's going to kick her ass.

[01:03:18]I I think it'll be entertaining. How about that?

[01:03:20]>> That's what I'm hoping for. That's all I'm hoping for. I just don't want it to be a one round one of them comes out and knocks the other out, which I'm sure they'd be great for because they're both getting paid. So, it's like, oh, let's get this out of the way, but give us a show.

[01:03:32]>> That's what we want. Which is what we want. That's what we want.

[01:03:35]>> Yeah. She down to 141, too. She I know the win. I was like, good on you.

[01:03:40]>> She dropped. She looked like she dropped what 15 maybe. She well she said since in the inception she said it was almost 100 >> pounds >> since the very beginning when she she saw that post she made that post where she's like like it's been I don't know I don't and I don't want to say it because I don't want people to quote me on it. I don't know the timeline but it was quite a while like a year year plus and she I I have so much respect for what she did.

[01:04:03]>> That's insane. That's great.

[01:04:05]>> I think because it's so much work and and I just >> I I know what she put into it.

[01:04:10]>> But she bled for it. She bled for it. H, >> you know, and she earned it. Regardless of what happens, she earned it.

[01:04:15]>> Exactly. She earned it. Beautiful. It's a great day. Thank you so much, Trevor.

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