According to covenant theology, Christians are not obligated to support Israel for theological reasons because Christ is the true Israel, and all believers in Christ constitute Abraham's spiritual offspring. The Abrahamic covenant promises were ultimately fulfilled through Christ, not through physical descendants of Abraham. Romans 11:17-24 teaches that Gentiles have been grafted into the olive tree of Israel, and both Jews and Gentiles can be cut off through unbelief. Therefore, Christians should not ally themselves with ethnic Israel as a nation that has rejected Christ, but should instead focus on evangelizing all people regardless of ethnic background.
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[music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> All right, welcome back to the Twtich Theologians and I'm your host The Twtich Theologians aka Family Dollar James White aka The Paladin Calvinist and today we're smiting dispensationalism.
We're answering the question should Christians support Israel?
How should we feel about things?
Uh Uh are we obligated by scripture to support Israel? What are the land promises? What do they mean? Uh we're going to answer all those questions today Lord willing. I got a buddy of mine with me The Reformed Catholic. He's been on here before.
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And uh what's up RC? How you doing bro?
Uh fantastic. How are you?
Ready to uh talk or smite dispensationalism this fine day.
>> [laughter] >> It's always It's always good day for that, yeah. That's [laughter] As the Klingons would say, today is a good day to die. But, uh Today is a good day for dispensationalism to die. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, so, um recently I did a video uh kind of responding to Colwell saying Israel or basically Israel's not in the church, Abraham's not part of the church. Uh did you get to watch any of that? Oh, yeah.
I watched the whole thing. Yep. Nice. I appreciate you watching it. No problem.
And while I I I want to look at some of these passages that that they they normally go to, the dispensationalists, to kind of like prove their view. And we can talk about it, then I'm going to let you take over. But, before I do, I want to tell the audience, like, guys, I'm sorry I've been on kind of a hiatus lately, Hebrew finals, all this other stuff. Uh we're going to try to start pumping out more stuff. Keep supporting us, and we're going to be grinding. But, yeah, so, um I think one of the first places that we we ought to go is um we'll just we'll go through a lot of the Abrahamic covenant promises starting in 12. Mhm.
Now, the Lord said to Abraham, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you, and I will make you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." So, see here, uh already the land that I will show you, he's talking about the promised land there, um which is why they're like, "See, we got to support Israel, they're in the land." And then they're like, "I will bless those who bless you, and those who curse you I will curse.
Uh so, basically, the dispensationalists will argue like, "If you do not support Israel, God is going to curse you." Um Yeah.
What What do you have to say about that?
Uh there's I know there's many places we could go from that.
>> Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> Uh first of all, this is Genesis 12. Let me just uh So, right? It says, "Through you right?
Uh through you all the earth will be blessed."
Right? I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you, and I will make you a great nation. Uh did Like, did the first question is, did Abraham see these promises fulfilled in his lifetime?
No.
Right? So, uh then, if we're going to take we're going to apply an extreme literal hermeneutic to this text, then Abraham then these then God isn't being faithful, right? Because if he was faithful, then Abraham would have had to see these promises fulfilled in his lifetime.
Right?
Yeah. Yeah.
Uh And then, uh the other way to respond to it, of course, now, dispensationalists aren't going to like this, but if we go to Hebrews chapter 11, we see that Abraham primarily wasn't looking for or or even expecting a physical land, but that he was uh he was uh ultimately in pursuit of a heavenly country, a spiritual land. Uh Yeah, so I'll read that. By my faith, Abraham obeyed when he was called out to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance, and he went out not knowing where he was going. By faith he went to live in the land of promise as in a foreign land living in tents with Isaac and Jacob heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations whose designer and builder is God.
Yes, then I drop down to Well, drop down to verse 13.
Okay. Yeah.
These all died in faith not having received the things promised but having seen them and greeted them from afar and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. Continue? Yeah, yeah, yeah, read that through verse 16.
Yeah.
For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.
Right. So, here we are seeing that ultimately what Abraham was seeking is a heavenly country. Like ultimately what he was seeking was fellowship with God, was communion with God.
And uh Yeah, those things were promised to him.
Right, but he didn't see them. Does that mean that he did not was not did not partake of those promises because he didn't see them?
Ultimately, those promises are fulfilled through faith in Christ. That's what the whole point of Hebrews 11 is about is uh you know, this is the hall of faith where by trusting in Christ, we are made we you know, share in that promises with Abraham and Abraham you know, we have the same faith as Abraham, we come uh sons as Abraham sons of Abraham through faith in Christ.
Um Right?
I Do you have any comments on that?
Oh, man.
Um Yeah, I'm going to So, not on this text specifically. Mhm. I think you're hitting the nail on the head. I think another place that we could go to kind of like look at this. And we we we kind of ought to walk through some of the other Abrahamic covenant passages as well.
>> Sure. Yeah, of course. But uh I want to to look at this text cuz I think this text is just I don't know. I think it's the coup de grace, bro.
Uh it says, "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation." And remember, God said that he would make Abraham a great nation. And here, whoever Peter's talking to, he's telling them, "You will be made a great nation."
And he says they're a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation. So, he's like referencing back to that. A people for his own possession. Now, I want to show also what he's referencing back to. So, I'm saying, number one, the Abrahamic covenant, where he says, "I'll make you a great nation." But also, here um in the Mosaic covenant, they're getting the the words of the Mosaic covenant.
And God says, "And you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."
"These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel." So, one would assume that the the people that Peter is talking to is the nation of Israel, Jewish people. But we got to keep reading on.
"That you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." "Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people. Once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." So, uh This is clear.
The once you were not a people, who's that? That's the Gentiles. But now you are God's people, and I'm going to prove it uh from the New Testament. I could go to the old, but I like going to Romans 9 better because uh I'm a dirty rotten Calvinist.
>> text.
Um in this one he's talking about [laughter] the uh vessels of of mercy which he's prepared beforehand for glory. We see this election, and it says, "Even us whom he has called not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles, as indeed he says in Hosea."
Remember, called called from the Gentiles as indeed he says in a Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call my people, and her who is not beloved I will call beloved. In the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called sons of the living God." And so there it's clearly talking about God uh saving the Gentiles and applying that same verse that Peter just used from Hosea uh to to Gentiles, and that's what Peter's doing. And he's calling these Gentiles who were once not a people a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation pointing back to the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants.
I mean, that fits right in with Genesis 12 where it says, you know, God's promise to Abraham is that through you all nations of the world would be blessed. Absolutely.
>> Right. And it's not that those physical promises didn't apply to Israel, they did. They did receive them in the Old Testament, but ultimately the entire plan was to bring the Gentiles, you know, to graft them in into the kingdom.
Uh you probably have a text you probably have Galatians 3 there. That's like >> [laughter] >> talking about Abraham.
>> yeah.
That's That's one of the first ones. But before I go there, I actually want to go to uh 15, Genesis 15, and then Genesis 17 and maybe 22. All right, fair. All right, fair. Because it's going to give us a little bit more Yeah. firepower.
Uh now I just got to remember where everything is.
Uh uh After these things, the word of the Lord came to Abraham in a vision. Fear not, Abram, I'm your shield. Your reward shall be very great.
But Abram said, "Oh Lord, what will you give me, for I continue childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?" And Abram said, "Behold, you've given me no offspring, and a member of my household will be my heir."
And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, "This man shall not be your heir.
Your very own son shall be your heir."
And he brought him outside and said, "Look toward heaven and number the stars, if you are able to number them."
Then he said, "So shall your offspring be."
>> [snorts] >> And let's see.
I I think So then then God walks through, you know, there's this covenant ceremony, and God like where he cuts up the animals, and then he walks through through it himself saying, "I'm going to fulfill this.
If I don't, whatever happened to those animals, let it happen to me." And then we'll go to 17 and 22 real quick. Um >> [snorts] >> 17, "Behold, my covenant with is with you, and you shall be the father of a multitude of nations. No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be called Abraham, for I've made you the father of a multitude of nations. I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings shall come from you, and I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant to be God to you and to your offspring after you." This is why we baptize babies, people, but we're not going to go into that. Then 22, here he was you know, went to sacrifice Isaac.
And God the angel of the Lord stops him, provides the ram, and then he says by myself, this is what the angel of the Lord says by the way. By myself, Hebrews says that God is the one who says it.
Hmm, it's almost like the angel of the Lord is God. Maybe you know, preterist Christ.
Whatever. Speaking of that, you guys got to watch the the reformed Catholic versus the Aryan guy, Caleb. Yeah. You thumped that guy, bro.
>> Thank you, brother. Thank you. I did my best.
>> [laughter] >> Now, I'm going to I'm going to finish this and then we're going to go to Galatians 3 cuz this is the biggie. By myself I have sworn declares the Lord because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son. I will surely bless you and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies. Hashtag that postmill. And in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed because you have obeyed my voice.
Yeah, I think what's relevant also with this text with those texts to point out, right, is that not all those who were physically descended from Abraham received that promise. Ishmael was physically descendant, you know, a physical son of Abraham, but it was Isaac who received the promise.
You see this throughout the Old Testament that ultimately it's not about those who are of physical Israel, but even when Elijah is complaining, you know, he's being persecuted on the run for his life by Jezebel and he's complaining to the Lord about there's no one left but me. Lord responds to him and says, "No, I have set a remnant aside of, you know, Israelites who worship me.
Absolutely.
Before we go to Galatians 3 because I feel like Galatians 3 explains all of this perfectly.
We got some questions.
>> [snorts] >> Somebody says glory to him says what's a reformed Catholic? Maybe you could explain that.
>> [laughter] >> Explain yourself.
>> So yeah, sure. Sure. So reformed So it's basically speaking to the Reformation and what the Protestant father you know, what the reformers really trying to do, right?
They weren't trying to schism or break away from the church. They were trying to reform it and they saw themselves as Catholics small C universal Christian, right? Not as Roman Catholic. So reformed Catholic, you know, we are like it's a reforming Catholicism. It's often the term that is used for Anglicanism, but there's also a book by William Perkins that's called who was Anglican reformer that's called the reformed Catholic. I highly recommend it.
Nice. Yeah.
Let's see. Airborne baby says reformed Catholics are closet want to be Protestants.
Damn bro.
He is he's gladly a Protestant. Yeah, though we are yeah, we are we are the true We are the true Protestants. The historical like the confessional Protestants, I would say all of them are can be considered reformed Catholics.
Yeah.
>> Let's see. God has a future for Israel in the Testament never calls the church Israel. That's Zion's trolling replacement theology.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, he said he was going to troll.
And I have I have no problem. I've no problem with there being a future plan for Israel, but that doesn't mean Yeah, we're going to get there.
Uh but that doesn't mean dispensationalism.
Uh and then I don't know. 16 Spalaras says this anti-Semitic behavior is off the charts. [laughter] You know this guy? Yeah, I know him. Yeah, he's a good guy. He's just Yeah, he's Yeah.
He's a good guy. He's just trolling.
Yeah, well, see so just to be Okay.
Let pause. I got to get honest with you guys. I got to get close and honest with you.
Deep down, I'm secretly anti-Semitic.
That's why I married [laughter] That's why I married my wife who's a Ashkenazi Jew and had Ashkenazi Jew babies so that I could oppress them and and and, you know, fulfill my No, I'm just playing.
>> [laughter] >> It's so wicked.
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Yeah.
All right, so let's get to Galatians 3.
And um I have talked a lot, so I can let you cook. Sure.
I think also the most like the other important thing to acknowledge, right, is what we've been doing is going to New Testament and using the New Testament to understand and interpret the Old Testament. That's very pivotal.
Uh Right, because we acknowledge that the apostles, like Paul, was preaching the gospel from the Old Testament, but he was interpreting it in a very different way than the Pharisees were.
Uh Okay, so Absolutely. I think the the New Testament has to drive our hermeneutic because um it's the final word from God, and it's how we prove the deity of Christ, the Trinity, all of those things. And so, we want to be consistent um with our hermeneutic.
Well, let's we just start Let me just start with uh I don't start from verse one. Okay.
Yeah, just work our way down. All right, let's go.
>> it's yeah.
Uh I can read I guess if you if unless you want to. Up to you. I was going to let you read because bro, when I start reading, I get excited and start preaching. [laughter] Oh foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this, did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Have you become begun by the Spirit? Are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain? If indeed it was in vain.
Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? Just as Abraham believed and it was accounted to him as righteousness.
Know you then that is of those who are of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
And the scripture foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. Like we can just stop there. Like this is so pivotal because what is the way of salvation? Like what is the way entrance into the kingdom of God? It's always been by faith.
Right? This This destroys dispensational notion that in the Mosaic covenant, they were saved by uh, the law.
And also the notion that today that we don't have to uh, some there's a lot of dispensationalist they're basically saying uh, we don't have to do any works. There there's, you know, sanctification basically throw sanctification out the window.
Uh, no, Paul says faith is the faith of Abraham. And we see that the faith of Abraham is not a faith that was just stagnant and was just like, yeah, I kind of believe that God exists and I don't really have to do anything. But it was a faith that ultimately led him led to actions, led to him sacrificing his son.
Um, and you know, Paul is quoting here. I think that's from Genesis 15 right there in verse 8. In you shall all the nations be blessed. And how are they blessed?
Through faith.
Through faith in Christ they are made partakers of the blessings that Abraham has.
And bingo. Yeah, and I love that he he says uh, he preached the gospel to before to Abraham.
>> The gospel for Abraham is in you shall all the nations be blessed. [laughter] What? Yeah. What is that? That that was the revelation he was given at the time.
And by faith Abraham trusted in that.
Yeah. Justified. Well, I think we understand I think that we we uh, because we're so influenced by dispensationalism as a system we often neglect how much the uh, Old Testament fathers understood the gospel even in its simplicity. Yeah. Like I think, you know, we look look at Genesis 3:6 3:3 16 is it or 3:18 where the we have the protoevangelium and Genesis 3:15.
>> [snorts] >> 3:15, yeah, yeah.
Uh, and God says I will crush crush your head, your seed the seed of woman is going to says the serpent the seed of woman is going to uh crush your head and you're going to bruise his heel.
Um >> [clears throat] >> you know, foretelling basically that uh promised Messiah is going to come and so I think I do think and I think it's right to believe that Abraham had some idea of the Messiah coming you know when God says in you shall all nations be blessed Abraham some have some idea and some notion of the Messiah coming through his seed. Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely and that's what they're constantly looking for and I kind of want to pause right there. That's what they're they're constantly looking for.
Um and it's so funny when you read the way Moses crafts the Pentateuch he's he's making you chase the the seed the Zerah and then he hits you with a a fake out when um Judah has a child with Tamar and uh you know, a lot of times it's the seed the and or the scarlet thread the the the one baby breaches there's a scarlet thread tied around his arm and you're like there's the one. The dude comes out and his name is Zerah literally seed and you're like dude, this is the guy it's the guy and then it's like no the line is going through Perez and you're like what?
>> [laughter] >> What do you mean?
He's constantly just like >> Yes. uh dragging them along but man when you look at stuff like Genesis 49 uh Abra Moses knew the Messiah was going to be a king.
Genesis 3 Moses knew Christus Victor the seed of the woman was going to crush the head of the serpent.
Uh Numbers 24, Moses knew that uh Jesus was going to be God almighty incarnate.
Crazy. Then Deuteronomy, um Moses knew he's going to be uh a prophet just like him. And then we see that fulfilled in the New Testament. Anyways, I'm rambling.
But I get excited about Old Testament fulfillments. Even in I Even in the story of uh especially in the story of Abraham and Isaac, you see a foreshadowing of the death of Christ.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. And he says um He's like, "Well, where's where's the the the ram for sacrifice?" He's like, "The Lord will provide." Yes. I mean, I don't even know. He may have known a little more than like Hebrews says that he believed >> Yeah. Yeah.
God would raise his son from the dead.
Yes.
>> So like, he was understanding a lot, bro.
Not not to the fullness that we do, but he understood a lot. But still, the shadow is very shadowy. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> But the shadow like And this this really demonstrates, you know, when we talk about like how how much understanding is necessary to have faith, scripture really demonstrates we have more knowledge than Abraham did, but it's the same faith.
Right? We have the same same faith trusting in the promises of God to he's going to remove our sin. He's going to make bridge that gap.
Absolutely. All right, let's continue in Galatians.
Uh we were at what verse 10? Yeah.
This whole chapter is really just a gold mine.
Oh, yeah.
Uh okay.
So, for all who rely on works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, "Cursed is be anyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law and do them." Now, it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for the righteous shall live by faith. But, the law is not of faith, rather the one who does them shall live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written, "Cursed is anyone or everyone who hangs on a tree." So, that in Christ, the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised spirit through faith. That is just like you know, so the promised spirit that what? Promised to Abraham, like the blessings of Abraham might come to might come to us.
Just think about that. Did Abraham receive the Holy Spirit?
No.
I mean, did Abraham >> to some extent, yeah. Well, yeah, but I mean, he received in the fullness in the same He received like the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that we have received?
I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say yes, he had the indwelling, but not the same power of anointing.
That's going to be the distinction I make. Because of And And this is a difficult topic because before people disagree, but because of 1 Peter, which talks about how they were prophesying through the spirit in them.
And And it uses like indwelling language. And I don't want to dis- I don't want my salvation to be so distinct from theirs that I have I received this indwelling when they don't, because I feel like we're we're saved the same way. But, um Well, I would say he he was regenerated.
Well, obviously, what I'm saying indwelling, I'm talk- I mean, like the full pouring out of the Holy Spirit that we see at Pentecost. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I could I could I could drive with that.
Like but the like the point is right that Abraham received the promise but he didn't receive the fullness of the reward as we have, right?
Like just think about that.
>> Yeah.
That is just that is astounding and so like dispensationalists are going to say, well, you know, there's something that remains. God still has to fulfill his promises. Right, Paul is here saying that in Christ Christ has already done it all.
That's it. There's nothing nothing else needs to be done.
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Galatians, we were verse 15. Verse 14. Verse 14, yeah.
Right. So, that the blessings of the Gentile or Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. And like, so this is uh Oh, it's another comment because a big problem with the dispensational system is that the church is basically a parenthesis, right? Christ was supposed to come like the whole the whole sermon on the mount in Matthew 5 through 7.
It's it's for they they understand that for Israel, like for national Israel, and because they rejected rejected it, uh then God basically had to put the brakes on his plan for Israel, and he had to Whoa, wait a minute. Let's do the church now. But that's ex- that's this is completely uh opposed to how the apostles understand the Old Testament and how they interpret the Old Testament text, right? The plan was always for the Gentiles to be incorporated.
Yeah, and and this the parenthesis Okay, we got to jump. I'm sorry, we got to jump. You said the word.
>> Did I Did I Did I upset things a little [laughter] bit?
>> No, no, it's great. You said the word parenthesis and this is where I always go because this is where I first learned about dispensationalism. My Bible college teacher took me to the 70-week prophecy Yeah. and told me that the last like the last week there was a parenthesis in it and then the and it just it it it makes me sick. Anyways, >> [laughter] >> 70 weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness and to seal both vision and prophet.
That's interesting language. One reason why I'm a cessationist.
Uh and to anoint a most holy place.
Know therefore and understand that from going out of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. Now, this specific decree is argued over, I will admit. This is a difficult passage, but whether but no matter where you start it, uh one of them lands on Jesus's baptism, one of them lands on his birth, one of them is death. They all land around the same area is my point. Uh other than, you know, like the the Jewish understanding of this or something.
But anyways, so [snorts] the word store to uh the the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, uh s- the the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be 7 weeks.
And for 62 weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
And we could talk about the weeks being uh years and how we convert that and all of that, but I'm trying to just make a quick point. And after the 62 weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off. That would be Jesus, and shall have nothing.
And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. I see that as the destruction of Jerusalem AD 70. I think it's the only way you can see it. As in shall come with a flood and the end there shall be war desolations are decreed. And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week. And for a half a week, he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering.
And then what happens? And on the wing of abomination shall come one who makes desolate until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator. This verse here is quoted by Jesus to refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. So, that's when this the like that that's the summation of this prophecy. There's nothing more to it. I've even heard like hardcore reformed guys be like, "Oh, well, there's still a half a week coming." I'm like, "No, there's not." Like that's a it's a wrap for this prophecy because it ends with the destruction of Jerusalem. And I I think we just have to leave it there. And the reason I leave it there um is well, just just the way I read it.
But, the dispensationalists want to insert like half of a like like a parenthesis here. And they'll make the other half the so for half of the week, he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. Then they're like, "Parentheses, there's this other half of week that's been going on for 2,000 years. And then the wing of abomination shall come." And I'm just like, "Dude, that just it doesn't make sense of the text. It doesn't It doesn't work that way."
So much for that extreme literalist interpretation.
Extreme literalist dispensational interpretation.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, I guess yeah.
It's always convenient. They they want to say we are always allegorizing the text and spiritualizing the text. But, you know, when it's convenient for them to do so, they even they take the they you know, destroy the text the proper meaning of the text even greater.
Yeah.
Absolutely. All right, back to Galatians. Sorry.
>> Yeah, no, you good. Yeah.
All right, so [snorts] now we're on 15, right? Yeah, yeah, [laughter] yeah, yeah, yeah, 15.
Uh brethren, I speak in the manner of men or wait, I should probably uh Is that the right way to uh I'm using ASV, but use whatever you want. Okay, to give to give a human example, brothers, I'll just read what we have there. Even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds it to adds it adds to it once it has been ratified. Now, the promise is this was made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say and to offsprings referring to many or referring to one, and to your offspring, who is Christ.
This is [laughter] what is that yeah, I mean This is why I mean the law which came 430 years afterward does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise, but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
So, like, okay, the seed is Christ.
Right? So, this is this other this is where we're saying Abraham understood that the seed ultimately was going to be the Messiah. And I think even, you know, David understands understands these things. Moses uh it says that uh Hebrews 11, it says Moses forsook the riches of uh Egypt for Christ.
So, we definitely had an understanding of who the Messiah was.
Okay. Uh And I like I really love this verse. And it is talking about the singular offspring, who is Christ. This Christ the the whole world is blessed through him. How? Died for the sins of the world. Of the land promises are given to the offspring, to Christ, because all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to him. The whole world, every bit of it, belongs to Christ. And one day he'll come back and uh lay claim to it all. Met new heavens, new earth, all of that. And it says, "He shall possess the gate of his enemies."
Genesis 22. Jesus says, "On this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The gates shall not prevail against it." Um The gates are defensive. We attack, they can't hold us back. We go and we plunder the enemy camp, just like when David killed Goliath. The Israelites, what did they do? They ran and chased out They drove out the Philistines and plundered the camp. That's what we are doing, Christians. Jesus has destroyed the Goliath of sin and death. We're going We're plundering the camp, because he possesses the gate of his enemies. He owns them, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against us. And all the promises of God are yes and amen in Christ Jesus. And you who are in Christ Jesus, all of those promises apply to you as well.
That's why you get the land of promise.
That's why those who Oh oh well, real quick. Those who bless you, I shall bless. Those who bless who?
Ultimately, Christ.
Because we're in Christ, you. Those who curse the church will be cursed. Those who bless the church will be blessed.
Those who bless Christ will be blessed.
Those who curse Christ will be cursed.
That's how all of this is being fulfilled according to Galatians chapter 3 and the rest of the New Testament. But anyways, continue on. I'm sorry.
Yeah, that's that's and that almost sounds post-millennial without even trying to argue for post-millennialism.
>> [laughter] >> Uh okay, verse 19. Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions until the offspring should come to the promise had been made. And it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Now, an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. Is the law contrary to promises of God? Certainly not. For if law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the scripture in prison everything under sin so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now after Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. I got to show you something that O. Palmer Robertson showed me, bro.
Uh I was reading his book.
Uh basically, it's it's a he's basically a giant commentary on the New Testament essentially.
Um and he points out Oh man, this is so good. Okay.
Um and it was put in place. The law was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
An intermediary is an intercessor.
Now, an intermediary, one who goes between, implies more than one.
But God is one. Do we not still have an intercessor? We do, the man Christ Jesus. But God is one. There is like no real like intermediary in the sense of we're going between angels and God. It is to God himself.
Well, there's a text Exodus where it says they when they were like receiving the law and when they went up to there was a text that talks about you might know I'm where I'm referencing, but it talks about how they ate and drank. Uh and it says they saw It says they saw the Lord.
Uh Uh I'm struggling to remember that one.
I know 1 Corinthians 10 mentions it a little bit.
Uh I think it's like in Exodus, it's around Exodus 20, maybe Exodus 18.
Uh Anyway, but yeah, but like they're always uh even after the um the sin of Israel in worshipping the golden calf.
Uh >> [clears throat] >> The Lord tells Moses, I'm not going to go up with you, but I'm going to send my angel up with you. I'm going to put in you know his name, he has the power to forgive sins, and my name is in him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Exodus 24:10 and 11.
And uh 24:9 it says Moses Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up.
And then it says verse 10 And they saw the God of Israel. Yes.
>> There was under his feet as it were a pavement of sapphire stone like the very heaven for clearness. Hmm, that sounds like the book of Revelation at the throne of God.
Uh Exodus 24:11 and he did not lay his hand on the chief men of the people of Israel. They beheld God and ate and drank. Whoo! That's fire, bro.
That's crazy, right?
Yeah.
That's like the angel of the Lord.
Yeah, and I don't Guys, if you haven't watched God Logic's debate uh and I think Albi Al was in it with Metaphysics Mike and Andrew Griffin.
They were debating is the angel of the Lord Yahweh.
Please go check that out. Uh is man, it was a it was a pub stomp, dude.
Like it was bad. Uh they they laid uh Albi Al and um God Logic laid the smack down. But anyways, let's continue on. Uh we're at 21, right? Yes.
Uh so is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not.
For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now there Now before faith came, we were held a captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then the law was our guardian until Christ came in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under guardian. For in Christ Jesus, you're all sons of God through faith. For as many of you who were who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free. There is neither male nor or female. For you're all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise.
Amen.
What I just say, people?
I said the singular offspring is Christ and those who are in Christ, those who are believing in Jesus are Abraham's offspring heirs according to the promise. Heirs of what? Heirs of what? The land. What's the land? All right, we got to go there.
All right, what is this land according to Paul, the same guy wrote Galatians? For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. So, it's not just the little teeny tiny land of Israel.
It's not. It's heir of the world and the promise, and I said this in my video to Cowell, is to Abraham. The only way that can be accomplished, because it wasn't accomplished in his lifetime, is if there's a resurrection from the dead.
And he rises from the dead and we rise together when Christ returns and we are heirs of the world.
>> [snorts] >> Yeah, amen.
All right, what do you got now for us?
It's just so defeatist to I mean, it's just so defeatist if you live in the church age, you know, I was just reading uh I was reading a book like on uh eschatology and talking about how like dispensational view of eschatology is so defeatist defeatist because what does it what does the church really have to look forward to?
Like what like are we do we have any hope in this world that our efforts to preach the gospel and to uh you know, to be a witnesses for Christ to evangelize and so on and so forth is going to have any positive effects for the generations to come other than bring souls into heaven?
So, like so, you know, it gets to a point where you kind of just like, well, if things are just going to get worse and worse, then what's the point of me really trying, you know? But, this is not what Christ told his disciples. It's not the message that we see in the New Testament after they received the Holy Spirit, right?
It's not the message that we see in the Book of Acts, even though they are being persecuted, they Like they're they are uh they are triumphing. They have a spirit of triumph. They have a spirit of go forth and conquer uh in the name of Christ. And yeah, I really do think that the the eschatology or the view how we understand the Bible is going to affect our eschatology, and then our eschatology is going to affect the way we live.
Yeah, like I'm going to argue that eschatology starts in Genesis 1.
In the beginning, because with every uh Bereshit, there is an acharit. For every in the beginning, there is in the last days.
Every time Moses is using in the beginning, he's he's pointing towards in the last days, and he does it by giving us this like narrative and then like a poem that talks about in the last days it shall be this way. And that's how he's really highlighting, hey, look at this poem. Boom. Pay attention. Um and so, eschatology is from the beginning. Ecclesiology is from the beginning. All of it uh just, you know, works its way left to right. Real quick, I want to answer two. Uh well, let me say this, chat, if you believe that uh uh we will inherit the world, the new heaven and new earth, I want you to type land. I've seen a lot of people typing land, and I want to keep it rolling.
Land, land, I want to see lots of land, people. And um Good stuff. My pastor says, "Dirt without Jesus, not much of a promise."
Absolutely.
Uh and let's see.
Uh Zohn says, "Twitchey, I have a recommendation. Could you give perhaps an overview of dispensationalism or covenant theology so that people can understand these scriptures better and how they fit in?"
All right, so I'm going to give a quick, simple definition.
Uh dispensationalists basically see the Bible broken up in like what, seven different dispensations or And [clears throat] um basically every covenant or dispensation is a distinct entity.
Uh and the new covenant is really distinct, whereas they would say the OG dispensationalists like Scofield would basically see like the Old Testament as like a works-based salvation, where the new covenant is faith-based. Uh and it's interesting a lot of my uh uh uh I'm going to say a lot of my reformed Baptist brothers kind of say that, too.
To some extent. They're like, "Well, they were saved through the new the through the new covenant." I'm like, "Oh, okay. They were saved through Jesus, but like each covenant was a covenant of grace." That's Anyways.
The and the difference is covenant theology, we see one covenant of grace continuing on. And when we see the Abrahamic covenant, Noahic covenant, Mosaic covenant, Davidic covenant, and finally the new covenant, we're seeing expansion the entire time. We're not seeing uh They're they're not super different.
We're always the one covenant.
We're saved by grace through faith in Christ through all of it, essentially.
Um and dispensationalists would see the church and Israel as two distinct entities. And covenant theologians say no, there's one people of God, there's always been one people of God. Um that's that's some of the distinctions.
Also, your dispensationalists are going to be hardcore pre-millennial, uh pre-trib, pre-millennial. They believe in a pre-trib rapture, Jesus descending to reign on the throne of David literally. We're saying as covenant theologians, no, Acts chapter 2 or 3 says that the resurrection and ascension was Jesus sitting on uh was the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant and Jesus is reigning at the right hand of the Father, and that is the true uh Davidic throne that uh he's reigning on, and obviously we are not pre-millennial.
Uh we believe we're either if you're covenant theologian, you're either a-millennial or post-millennial.
I think they allow for historic Don't we they allow for historic pre-millennial?
Not in my denomination. Well, let me say you go to my Presbyterian and tell him you're historic pre-mill, they'll be like, "Get this idiot out of here."
Okay.
>> [laughter] >> All right.
Fair enough then.
All right then.
Yeah. [snorts] Yeah, so there's a overview. Is there anything you'd want to add to that?
I I mean, just to add that the whole end times the whole eschatology uh for a dispensationalist, because they have two peoples, like you said Twitchy, their whole uh eschatology has to be reworked to understand God's promises being given to the church and to Israel and it's often disjointed and disconnected. Israel is given all the physical promises and the church only has spiritual promises.
Good. Good. Uh Titus says if you have no charts, it's not adequate. Oh, but my friend, I do.
I do have a chart.
>> [laughter] >> We don't need all the charts. We just need [laughter] Oh, but I have the best chart. Oh, man.
Pull out the charts. It's going to make it even more confusing to people. Oh, this one is quite simple, my friend.
>> [laughter] >> This one is the chart of all charts. There will never need to be a another chart ever created. I I mean, I grew up a dispensationalist and like I'm so glad I'm not one and I think one of the biggest reasons is I don't have to explain these huge charts anymore. But yeah, oh, there we go.
That's the the chart. Amen.
Old Testament prophetic era.
Okay? Jesus comes.
Church kingdom era. We see rising and or we see that you know, Satan being bound in the lifetime of Jesus.
We see the great tribulation.
Which I'm going to say there's a double fulfillment to here with this downturn that brief rebellion. But Gentry does not do that, but I do.
But then the church era, there's gospel prosperity rising and falling, rising and falling and then at the end, there's a brief rebellion and Christ returns and new heaven and new earth, all of that good stuff, judgment, all of that.
That's as simple as just just keep it simple. That's why I couldn't be a dispensationalist cuz I didn't understand it. I was like, how are you getting that? What's going on here?
How are you telling me a new temple is going to be built and there has to be a red heifer and then there has to be freaking meteors falling from the sky before Jesus returns, but yet he can return at any time. How does that make sense? And then finally, like somebody teaches me a meal and post meal, and I'm like, "Oh, it makes sense. It's easy. Jesus comes back, and that's that's it."
You know like you know how I you know how I was uh converted out of dispensationalism? It's kind of funny.
Um I was in a class. I was in uh college.
A dispensationalist college. Uh and uh but I was in a class. And you you know what the name of the class was?
What was that? Dispensationalism.
>> [laughter] >> And so I was in I was I was in the class, and as, you know, the professor was going through all these lectures, I'm I have my Bible open, and I'm just like reading through Hebrews. I'm like, "Wait a minute.
This doesn't make sense."
>> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, so basically, uh somebody said, "I'm late. Should we support Israel?" Laugh out loud.
I'm going to say if Okay, I am under no biblical obligation to support Israel because Christ is the true Israel, and all of those in Christ are Israel. Romans chapter 11.
Um but if Israel is being a good ally, sure, we'll support them. But not for any theological reason, for pragmatic political reasons.
And there could be a theological reason that, "Hey, I want to conquer the world in the name of Christ." Let's go.
Post meal. [laughter] Amen. That's it.
Amen.
And let's see. This one's odd. Uh the trick is just realizing Satan and his synagogue are leading people astray by masquerading as Israel, though they are [ __ ] descendants of Esau. See Revelation 2:9. So, my question for you would be Do you mean literally?
descendants of Esau?
Because if that's the case, you're completely misunderstanding Revelation chapter 2 and the rest of the scriptures because it's not about your your physical lineage.
It's about spiritual lineage. And the reason I'm saying that so bluntly, love you, but but because there's Hebrew Israelites out there, black Hebrew Israelites, who are like, "Look, uh if you're a white guy, you're an Edomite. Yeah. Only people of color can be saved." And I'm like, "What?"
But that's not what it's about. When what we see, okay, there's a seed of the serpent and a seed of the woman. And 1 John tells us those of faith are seed of the woman because Christ is the ultimate seed of woman. We're in Christ.
Boom, boom. And then seed of the serpent would be ultimately Satan, the Nephilim, fallen angels.
>> Yeah.
He said, "Yeah." Got him. And unbelievers.
If we If we go to I mean, if we go to Galatians 3, it speaks right to this right to this point, right? That in Christ, there is no race or even gender, Paul says.
Yeah. Hey, so and and he says Israel the nation state is not the same as those who are Abraham's seed of faith.
Absolutely.
Uh yeah.
Let's see.
Uh Beautifully Bizarre says, "Hey, stop ignoring me." I didn't see I don't know.
It's hard to keep up, but hey.
>> [laughter] >> Maybe she's talking to somebody else.
Hey, we appreciate you on this channel.
This is she bro, she she is she be she's a little firecracker, bro. Came on here and tried to debate me and Zondervan.
Bro, I'm what?
>> [laughter] >> Calvinism. No way.
>> damn, bro. But it was on it was on eternal security and I'm like, wow, you really Wow. Me and Zondervan? That's that is bold right there. I love it though.
Uh she said crazy. Abraham waited for the city above.
Uh Hebrews 11:9, by faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob the heirs with him of the same promise. For he waited for the city which has foundations whose builder and maker is God. Good stuff.
And so we're not well, I'm not going there.
Uh And of course she made it to the big big board. You know you going to make it to the big board when you show up here. I mean, I think you've sent me a super chat before. I got to recognize, bro.
Okay. All right. So there's not a not a Hebrew Israelite. Good. That's all I wanted to know, bro.
We rolling then.
Um So you blatantly reject Genesis 17:8 saying all the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. No, not at all cuz it's an everlasting possession.
And it's not just the land of Canaan.
But as Romans 4:13 said, it's the whole world. The whole world is the promised land. So when they started off, there was this little promised land, you know, like 9.
5 tribes are inside the land, 2.5 tribes are out.
And God's like, yeah, I'll bless it.
Why? Because what was there was supposed to be spread across the whole globe, just like in Genesis, that Garden of Eden where God's temple presence was made known, just like in uh Israel uh where God's temple presence will be made known. It's supposed to be spread across the whole world. And yeah, I know it literally says land of Canaan.
But look, that's not to the exclusion of the rest of the world. We're going to be heirs of the land of Canaan.
Literally that land, but also the whole world. That's That's That's the point.
It's just everything. That's what Romans 4:13 says.
But yeah, yeah. I think he's messing with me though, cuz he's >> Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I think he's messing with me. Yeah.
>> Cuz he's he Yeah, he's all me cuz he like goes off on me when I start teaching post-millennialism.
>> Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think he's Charlemagne.
>> [laughter] >> He got me for a minute. Rational logic.
Oh my goodness.
All right, where we going now? Cuz you're the one who wrote a whole paper on this. Let's go to uh I mean, we can go back. Let's go back to Galatians 3 cuz I'll make comment there about uh All right, and don't forget we have to go to Ezekiel 36.
>> Oh, Ezekiel 36. Okay. But first we'll go Galatians 3 and wherever else you want to go. And then we'll go.
>> we want to end up in Romans 11.
You want to do that last?
Uh we'll do it sometime. I don't know about last. We'll just We'll just We'll do what feels right. All right.
>> That's what the That's what the society says we're supposed to do anyways. What feels right, which is natural.
It just feels natural to dress like a [laughter] woman.
Right.
All right, so I think like right right here.
>> [laughter] >> ALL RIGHT. THIS TEXT is so important, right? Because it's not that Paul is saying that uh you know, as you have faith in Christ, you stop being a Jew, or you stop being a Greek, or you stop being a slave, or even that you stop being a man or a woman. But Paul's point, right, is that when you trust in Christ, for all those who are in Christ, there is no uh separation, right? As there was between the Jews and the Gentiles. And even like today as we see uh you know, racially and culturally and all these things. For all those who trust in Christ and who have faith in Christ, they are all made one because of the Holy Spirit, right? Because of because they are united with Christ. Uh and that's why we can't it's wrong to uh to imply that there is a people of God that will be blessed simply because of their genetics.
It was never God's intended plan.
Absolutely. I'm sorry I messed with this. I'm trying to make it bigger.
I want everybody to get to see it better.
But I can't spread it any further or it'll go behind our face. Can you Is there like a uh uh max or a to make the font bigger?
Yeah. Hold on. Mhm.
Let's see. Boom. And then we'll go uh boop.
How's that?
There you go. Yeah. Yeah, that's better.
Yeah.
And of course, the connection like this is the third time in verse 29, Paul connects Abraham to Christ. It's the third time, I think, if it mean at least the third time, if not fourth or more, that uh in this chapter that Paul has connected Abraham to Christ.
Yeah.
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Sorry about that. Compatible is some debate.
Mhm.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it did. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, thank you. Dragon Slayer said that was an awesome ad. Praise God.
Mhm. It we a bunch of people left when I did that, so I'm glad you thought so.
>> [laughter] >> Uh I mean, I'm streaming at a completely different time. Normally, we do like 9:00.
Uh but I'm trying to change my schedule cuz like I've noticed that if I stay up late, I'm more irritable. I actually am naturally a night owl, but like, you know, Mhm.
Uh but anyways, Why was there there a skip button for the ad?
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Anyways, sorry. Compatibilism debate starting on Standing for Truth in 1 hour and 3 minutes. Who is it?
Who is the one debating?
Yeah, compatibilism.
Oh, friends of John Michael. Okay, okay.
>> All right, let me let me look up this debate real quick.
Uh And please, guys, hit the like button and all that stuff.
Uh Standing for Truth. We love Donnie Donnie's channel. Have you debated on there, bro?
I have not. I was on the I was uh I was on there. they were having a discussion on Osiris and went up and asked a couple questions, but I have not debated on there.
Okay.
Yeah. I've been trying to set up some uh debates or I think uh with uh Toronto Bible Study. I'm not sure if you know who that guy is. Yeah, I do. He's He's [laughter] a piece of work.
I I really want to I mean, of all the people that I mean, I I hate to be a hater, but of all the of all the guys out there that have really bad theology, he's [laughter] he's one of them.
He's up there with War Room Guru. Oh, yeah. It's pretty bad. Yeah. Bro, I watched I watched Charles Jennings. Hold on, before we get to this, I need y'all uh uh before we get to that compatibilism debate. Uh I watched I actually moderated Charles Jennings and uh Toronto Bible debate.
And I'm like, I disagree with y'all's theology, both of you, but I'm so rooting for for Charles. I love I love Lamanite Seminary. And they were arguing, do you have to believe that Jesus is God to be saved? Yes, oh, but And Charles is like Charles is like, yes. And I'm like, okay, I'm I'm for you, Charles. I'm for you. And Toronto Bible's like, no, you just got to believe like in some God out there >> He's the Christ or whatever. He just just believe he's the Christ. Yeah. Like Toronto doesn't even believe you have to believe that Jesus that he have to believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ to be saved.
Man.
So like you like you say you know like So I asked him, what does it mean to be the Christ? Oh, just some generic, you know, whatever, the Messiah or whatever.
I guess them Islams are saved then.
[laughter] Yeah, yeah, right?
>> Well, I don't know if they I don't know if they they wouldn't say he's the Messiah.
>> the Christ, yeah. Yeah.
But so what what what we were what we were talking about is CJ Cox's debate with uh that is Yeah, that's today. Uh with Demetri Oling. Don't know this guy.
CJ's the man. We've had CJ on this channel. He is going to do a phenomenal job representing uh compatibilism. He's read my book. So, I expect it to be um some of the best arguments out there.
Um And for those who don't know, my book is The Seven Points of Calvinism. And uh you ought to check it out on amazon.com unless you're a heretic.
Uh I was going to say like Demetrius is a joke, but I don't know anything about Demetri.
Except for he's going to lose today. So, go check that out at Standing for Truth YouTube channel. We love uh him and CJ. Show your support for CJ.
Beautifully Bizarre, I know you won't.
Show your support for the other guy, but go show your support regardless. Um >> [snorts] >> Let's see.
Uh yeah, that he said you don't have to believe Jesus is God. I would love to debate him.
Just like you.
He also thinks that if you're if you trust in Christ, he believes in it's like extreme version of one saved always saved. If you trust in Christ one time, and then if you become a Satan worshiper, you're still going to heaven.
Yeah, crazy.
Uh and what I meant by that, Beautifully Bizarre, is you're not going to root for the Calvinist. You're not going to root be like go Calvinism. We know you don't like Calvinism. Unless unless there was a sudden change, which would be awesome.
Just go ahead tell the chat you read my book and became convinced.
>> [laughter] >> That'd be awesome.
But if not, I'm just saying go support Donny uh by watching the video. I don't know.
That's all I meant.
Uh let's see, where are we going now?
Uh let's go to uh hmm Did you have another text? Uh we can go Romans 9.
We We just went to Romans 9.
Uh Well, we did a little bit, but we could I was going to go to Ezekiel 36.
>> Let's go Yeah, let's go there then.
Yeah. Cuz this one touches on the land promises, too.
But This is This is huge. I'm going to start with here in 22. Therefore, say to the house of Israel, "Thus says the Lord God, it's not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I'm about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came.
And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations in which you have profaned among them, and the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.
All right. And now, watch this, guys. I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleanness, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart and a new spirit I will put within you, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh, and I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God. And then I'm going to read on just a little bit, and I will deliver you from all your uncleanness, and I will summon the grain and make it abundant and lay no famine upon you. I will make the fruit of the tree and the increase of the field abundant that you may never again suffer the disgrace of famine among the nations. Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good, and you will loathe yourselves for your iniquities and your abominations.
It is not for your sake that I will act, declares the Lord God. Let that be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your ways, oh house of Israel.
Number one, I want to point out that people will say, "Actually, what do you have to say before I go on my tirade?"
>> [laughter] >> Uh uh go ahead. Okay, I'm going to go on the tirade. So, people will be like, uh "See, it's the house of Israel.
Uh I will take you from among the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land." And I'm like, "See, bringing your own land. That's what happened in 1946 or whatever." And I'm like, "Okay, that's not what this is about. This is a new covenant passage. Sprinkle clean water on you. Give you a new heart."
This is Jeremiah 31 new covenant language. Hebrews 8 language.
I'll put a new spirit within you. Remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
Uh this sprinkling clean water, it says the washing of regeneration, Titus 3:5.
And uh then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers. What did we say the land was, people?
The world, Romans 4:13.
And you shall be my people and I will be your God. Why can this not be the ethnic nation of Israel today? Because they are not God's people and God is not their God. This is covenantal language. Are you telling me that the secularist atheist nation of Israel right now are in covenant with God? No, they're not.
They're To be in The only way to be in covenant with God is through Jesus Christ.
And if you're not a believer in Jesus or the offspring of a believer in Jesus, you're not in covenant with God.
Period.
>> Yeah.
And >> problems with this theology, but yeah, go ahead. And the final thing I'll say is I'll deliver you from your all your uncleanness. Has that been done? Has that been done to the nation of Israel now? No.
Has it? This is for believers, people who have been washed, regenerated, given a new heart, a new spirit, delivered from their uncleanness, and then what does it say?
This is talking about new heaven and new earth type stuff. I will summon the grain, make it abundant, lay no famine upon you.
I will make the fruit of the the tree and increase of the field abundant that you may never again suffer disgrace among the nations. And then it goes on because the prophets love to take new heaven and new earth language and run it in with new covenant language and they they like they run them together because of the way they're seeing their prophetic vision and their the the way the new covenant inaugurates the consummation. They're they tie it together as one a lot of times and they're Now it goes to you'll remember your evil ways and it's talking about repentance.
They're going to repent. Why? Because they've been given a new heart and all that, new covenant. So he's like he's just going he goes new covenant, new heaven and new earth, new covenant and he kind of continues that on down through the the thing. But but here's the thing uh Here Well, I I got distracted by the flock language cuz that reminds me of John 10 and we'll go there in a second.
But here's the thing.
All of this is about people about God's people in Christ.
And it's new covenant language, Jeremiah 31. You can't apply this to the nation of Israel. I challenge someone out there. If you're crazy enough, I will debate you on this text if you want the smoke. We will to go to this text only.
And we will exegete it. Which I mean of course I'm going to use the other scriptures, but we will exegete this text as a debate. Anyways, um Yeah, the new heart the new heart language and the new spirit language and like I'm going to put my spirit within you. I'm going to cause you to walk in my statutes.
That never happened in Old Testament and we're we saying that we it still hasn't happened yet? I mean that's crazy.
That's crazy talk, right?
Yeah, just so that just so that we can show them what I'm saying.
Um Yeah, the text Jeremiah. Yeah, I want I just want them to to see it. Behold, the days are coming in declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
Pause, is this only for the house of Israel and the house of Judah literally?
The new covenant? You talking about the one that Hebrews 8 talks about? The one that says Gentiles are grafted in Romans 11? No, it's not for them literally, it's for spiritual Israel. Those who are the house of Judah when our king, the line of the tribe of Judah, Jesus Christ sits on the throne and we pay homage to him and we bow before him and submit to him. You are a member of the new covenant in its fullest sense. Anyways, it's not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. My covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put my law within them. I will write it on their hearts. And look, more covenant language, I will be their God and they shall be my people.
And no longer each one shall teach his neighbor and his brother saying know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest declares the Lord for I will forgive their iniquity and remember their sin no more.
Perfect parallel to Ezekiel 36. Let me say this as well.
No longer going to teach their their neighbor and brother saying know the Lord. Why? Because they're all going to know me from the least to the greatest.
What does that mean?
Galatians 3 with the law there was a mediator.
But there is no mediator. There is no more um Levitical priests that we have to go through. We don't have to go through angels delivering us the law or whatever. We go directly to God, Jesus Christ our intercessor. That's what this is talking about uh new covenant not about just literal Israel's but spiritual Israel. Anyways.
I mean there's so many carries over carry-overs to the New Testament, right?
That surely it's impossible to deny that this is about the new covenant.
I mean think of Romans 8 where it says the law with law was unable to do God did by sending his son in the likeness of sinful flesh so that the law required you know that the righteous requirements of the law may be fulfilled in us who walk not according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
Yeah.
>> Yeah, so I got some questions you can help me answer.
Uh Russell, well this is more of a statement. I don't think you can be a Calvinist if you think Old Testament saints weren't regenerated. To be honest, regeneration precedes faith. How was Abraham's faith be counted as righteous before regeneration? And uh where you go ahead answer that.
Yeah, I would say Abraham was was regenerated.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. But he didn't have the fullness of the Holy Spirit as we do. Oh, yes, of course, in order to And like, you know, they will say those who are against Calvinism or the doctrines of grace will say, uh show me a text. I've often, you know, been asked to by them, show me a text where explicitly talks about a person being regenerated before they receive faith. I always think I'm is equal 36. [laughter] Like, you know, this is the text.
I could be wrong.
My other one is 1 John 5:1. You familiar with that argument?
1 John 5:1.
Mhm. All right, real quick, I'm going to go there.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is in my book, by the way. I'm just I'm just putting that out there. Okay.
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. And everyone who loves the Father has has been born of him. So, if you believe that Jesus is in the Christ, you have been born of God. Now, from the original languages one can make an argument, though the argument it would be precarious at best from the original languages. But you have to look at the context where there is um that same sort of language is used three times.
Uh Okay, let me just Google it so I can has been born of God, 1 John. I should have pulled up my notes.
Uh Okay.
1 John 3:9, that's where it is. Okay.
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he can't keep on sinning because he has been born of God. So, my my question is, Mhm. can you be born of God or is it you not sinning that causes you to be born of God? No, it's the being born of God which causes you to not keep on sinning.
And then there's another one in four.
All right, let me pull up let me pull up my notes.
Actually, and I can show you the parallels in my I'll just pull up my book.
Uh It's the John also uses this phrase or this language in John chapter in the Gospel of John right throughout and in particular in John 1:13 or 1 you know 12 and 13 where it says as many as received as many as received them as many as received uh him who to them he gave the right to become children of God to those who believe in his name who were born not of blood nor of the will of flesh nor of the will of man but of God.
Yep. That that's that one's abundantly clear as well. This one takes a little work.
That one's as clear. Not of the will of the flesh, not of the will of man. Yeah, but if you tie them all together then it's like this is what John is it's very clear what John is saying.
Yeah. So, if you know that he is righteous you may be sure everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.
Beloved, let us love one another for love is from God and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. So, we see here practicing righteousness is evidence you're born of God.
Loving is evidence that you've been born again.
Now, look at this parallel. I'm going to zoom it in so you can see it.
>> [snorts] >> Look at this parallel in the Greek.
Pas hopas two on hote heasous estin ha Christos ek tou theou gegennetai.
Pas ha agapon ek tou theou gegennetai.
Pas ha poion ten dikaiosunen ex autou gegennetai. I'm reading it so you guys can hear the parallel.
All the believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. So if loving is evidence you've been born of God. First John 4:7. And practicing righteousness is evidence that you've been born of God. First John 2:29.
Then believing is evidence that you have been born of God.
And evidence always comes after the thing that it's signifying.
Amen.
So yeah, sorry that another That was little Yeah, rabbit trail. But that's good.
>> Uh let's [laughter] see.
What was that thing about Abraham believing the covenant was about Christ or whatever? I'm probably butchering the word, but should answer the regeneration region question.
So I'm not fully Who is that? Okay, let me read.
Oh, I think I think it's because Rational Logic saying Corey Minor says Old Testament saints weren't regenerated. Yeah, he's just wrong.
He's wrong.
Um Deuteronomy 31:6, I will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring.
That's pretty clear.
Uh What? Again, RLU are wrong.
>> [laughter] >> See bro, she's a savage.
All right, he said it's uh legit interesting and kind of cool to hear Koine Greek in your accent.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
Yeah. And Paul's whole pesuo.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, so what we were saying is like Reformed Catholic was saying that Abraham really knew that the seed of the woman was the one they were waiting on. Yes.
And uh if you want to repeat that, I think it'll be good cuz that was that was money, bro. Yeah, that so Abraham uh you know knew right that uh when God told him through you, in you all the nations of the world will would be blessed, Abraham had an idea that God was promising to bring the Messianic seed through his line.
Right? And you see this I think you see it in every covenant and throughout the Old Testament. For instance, when God promises to David that he's going to continue uh have uh you know, a lineage on his from someone from his lineage from his line on the throne forever.
That's ultimately, you know, and Peter says this in Acts 2. This ultimately refers to Christ.
Right? Uh and I believe David had understanding of that, maybe not the fullest full understanding that we do, but he had understanding of what God was promising there.
Yeah. Yeah, I think though we do we rightly recognize that they they're seeing the shadows, I think they Yeah. they understood a little more than a lot of times we give them credit for. I think that was a great point. Uh >> [snorts] >> The sacrifices like what you know, all the sacrifices that were done in the in the Old Testament.
You know, there was understanding that we have to sacrifice animals because of sin.
Now to to appease or to make propitiation for our sins.
>> [snorts] >> Even before God gave the even before the sacrificial system.
Yeah. So I don't know how long were you wanting to go bro? I don't have very long.
What time is it now? 7:00 7:00 Okay.
Okay. It's 7:00 my time.
So I guess we can >> go ahead another half an hour or so and we can finish up with uh We can look at uh Romans 11. Yeah, so let me look Okay, here's what I want to do cuz we're going to agree on most of Romans 11.
Mhm. Uh I'm going to look quickly at a couple of verses that I'm going to let you take over on Romans 11 and I'm going to run for just a second. No problem.
>> And then you can share your screen and you'll be able to control everything.
Uh so let's go to Ezekiel 34:30 to 31.
Okay.
And I'mma bounce around a little bit but I just want to point this out. They shall know that I am Yahweh their God with them and that they the house of Israel are my people declares the Lord God. And you are my sheep Israel. You're my sheep. Human sheep of my pasture and I am your God declares the Lord God.
So Israel is called the sheep there.
And Jeremiah 50:17 says Israel is a scattered sheep. Isaiah 53 All we like sheep have gone astray. This is like Israel Israel Israel but then John 10 I'm the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father, and I lay my life down for the sheep. Is that just for Israel?
No, and I have other sheep that are not of this fold.
I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice.
So, there will be one flock, one shepherd.
There can't be two flocks, dispensationalist. There's one flock.
Yeah. Israel.
And even if I drop down the verse 25, Jesus says, uh, "I told you and uh, you believe the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me, but you do not believe because you are not of my sheep."
And he's speaking to those who are physical descendants Mhm.
>> of is of Abraham.
"You are not of my sheep."
This is the problem, like I was saying earlier, is when you take this, when you accept this ideology, you end up allying yourself with those who are ultimately the enemies of Christ.
Because they don't trust in him, they don't worship him, they don't accept him as their Lord or Messiah, and all the things that we Christians do. And yet, so why would you send money to these people? Why would you support them? I'm not saying hate them or like, you know, the Of course, Jesus teaches us to love our enemies, but you know, that would mean considering them to be our enemy, not our friend.
Right.
All right, so I'm going to let you take over on Romans 11, cuz I've got to go grab a snack. I'm I'm done. I skipped dinner. Okay. Here, you got StreamYard, right?
Uh no, I have Restream. Okay, hit shift S and that's how you'll share your screen.
Shift S? Yep.
And then you click the screen that you want to share.
And then Okay, I can just Okay, yeah.
There it is. Okay.
All right, sweet.
>> And yeah, we're reformed Catholic, I guess. Protestant, yes.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah. It's you know, it is amazing to me how many people do not understand that.
Uh yeah, okay. Yep, there it is.
All right, go ahead. I'm going to remove myself. We're out.
Yep, you're good.
All right, so this is uh Romans 11.
Now, we can start.
Let's let's begin it Let's begin verse one. Actually, let's go through this whole thing.
Uh bigger. All right, sweet.
Okay.
I [clears throat] say then, has God cast away his people? Certainly not. For I am also an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people whom he foreknew. Or do you not know what the scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life."
But what does divine response say to him? "I have reserved for myself 7,000 men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." Even so then, at this present time, there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then no longer of works. Otherwise, grace is no no grace.
But if it is of works, it is no longer grace. Otherwise, work is no longer work.
Right. So, the whole point of this text is uh And those, like dispensationalists, want to say, "Well, it's physical Israel."
But again, like we said earlier, and this is basically quoting directly what I was paraphrasing earlier about Elijah, uh where Elijah goes and pleads to God and saying, you know, "I'm the only one that's left, and they're seeking for me."
Uh and God says to him, "No, I have reserved for myself 7,000 men." Right.
So, we see the physical Israel, the nation, but then we see those who uh God has reserved for himself within that physical vine, spiritual Israel.
Right. Uh And this is all of grace.
Um Okay.
Going onward.
What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks, but the elect have obtained it have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. So, this again, like the argument that Israel, the whole nation of Israel, was elect. Okay, sure, but then we have to Paul is describing an elect group that is elect among Israel.
So, not all Israel was elect to eternal life.
Uh now, that's a different topic. Uh the rest were blinded, just as is written, "God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, to this very day."
Uh And David says, "Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block, and a recompense to them. Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back always.
Uh right, so here is prophetic language that uh Paul is quoting from the Old Testament from Isaiah and from David uh to refer and he's applying it to national Israel on the whole. They rejected Christ.
They crucified him.
They denied that he was their Messiah.
And so, they you know, were hardened.
Uh this is also like so they're they're hardened. So, they're the first enemies of the church as we see in Acts.
Uh and to this day, there's been no removal, I would say, no apparent removal of that hardness. So, we can look at all these supposed things uh these like the giving of the land to Israel uh back in the you know, after World War II and all this stuff and we can read prophetic language into it, but the reality is that they never turned back to Christ.
This hardness was never removed from them. They've always remained their pagan state uh entirely denying the Christ as their Lord.
Uh and now we're going to go down we're going to go downward. We're going to see right that uh we should be witnessing to them. We should be preaching the gospel to them, but to support them while they are hating Christ is literally is doesn't make any sense. Um All right. Do you have any comments?
I'm just going right through this. The salad is good and yes, is your exegesis.
>> All right, sweet.
>> [laughter] >> Uh I say then, verse 11, I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not, but through their fall to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Now, if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness?
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry. If by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Uh So, you know, what's Paul saying here?
First, like he calls himself a minister to the Gentiles.
Now, >> [laughter] >> I would say Paul call Paul the ultra the ultra against ultra anti-dispensationalist, right? Because Paul is saying Paul, he literally just at the beginning of uh Romans 11 said, I am a Jew of the Jews.
Like I'm a Benjamite. I'm a descendant.
But I have was sent to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.
Uh so, if there's anybody that's anti-dispensationalist, it's going to be Paul cuz he's not cuz Paul is not seeing ethnicity. He's not seeing race. What he's seeing is the gospel going forth through the preaching of his word through, you know, the power of the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles, and they're believing and they're receiving it, while the Jews, his uh those who are uh his kin, they're being hardened.
Um >> Right, so what do you say about that?
Uh Right, so that it is through the fall of the Jews and through the the gospel coming forth to Gentiles. This is the plan God's plan is not just to bring the gospel to the Gentiles, but it's also to provoke the Jews to jealousy.
Right?
Uh Why did the Jewish leaders hate the early believers so much?
Because they were teaching Jesus.
Because they were saying Jesus is Lord.
Uh And because the good news was going forth, like they were being blessed.
Uh And we see like the same thing today.
And again, it is it doesn't make any sense for Christian to say, well, these these uh Jews even if they don't believe in Christ, they're still going to have some blessing, some reward. No, like anybody that's outside of Christ, if they die, they're going not to heaven.
They're going the other place.
Uh But then Paul, you know, so >> straight to the fiery pits of hell.
>> That's right.
They're going straight to h-e-double-l, hockey sticks.
>> [laughter] >> But like so Paul but Paul does talk about a and this is where I was actually going wanted to go. Uh Paul does talk about a restoration of the Jews, right?
Uh if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? Right? So it's not that we shouldn't be trying to evangelize the Jews with the gospel. It's not that we shouldn't be trying to reach out to them, but to try to ally ourselves with them because what? Because we have the same kind of moral structure? It's just you know, at the end of the day it's going to lead to our defeat because it's like being equally un-yoked. You don't ally yourself, you don't marry someone that's an unbeliever. You don't ally yourself with someone that's an unbeliever.
Uh but this is where dispensational system leads you and that's almost why it's a defeated system because your energies could be spent so much better by promoting the gospel and by actually allying yourself with those who are Christians instead of send instead of taking up collection money in your church to send it to Israel.
Um Okay.
Uh verse 16, for if the first fruit is holy, the lump is also holy. And if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches are broken off, and you being a wild olive tree were grafted in among them and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you did not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, the branches were broken off that I might be grafted in. Well said, because of unbelief they were broken off and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he may not spare you either. Therefore, consider the goodness and severity of God. On those who fell, severity, but towards you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And they also, if they did did not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in. For God is able to graft them in again.
For if you were cut out of the olive tree, which is um wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
Uh Right. So, what is So, the key One of the key points to take away from this part of the text is that there is one There's They're being grafted into one tree.
Right? There is Or there is one root.
There is one tree.
Uh in which we're grafted into. That is one people of God, one church, one spiritual Israel, not two peoples, not the church and Israel.
Uh And we are reminded not to be haughty, just like the Jews were. Why? Because the Jews thought, "Oh, we're the people of God. We were given the Old Testament.
We're given the promises of God. We're given the blessings of God. And, you know, just because God chose us, that means that we could never lose this. We could never be cut off." But guess what?
They fell away.
It was a It wasn't through what they did. Ultimately, it was through their lack of faith, their unbelief, in the Messiah.
Uh And we And, you know, being given faith and having faith, we're grafted in. And this is like very demonstrates I mean, this These two are kind of tied together. You can't really uh the doctrines of grace You can't really talk about dispensationalism without talking about the doctrines of gay of Grace because this dispensationalism puts sets you know like a gospel of works over and against a gospel of hyper faith which simply the Bible does not ever talk about Paul is constantly going against a diatribes against right we saw in Galatians going on diatribes against these Judaizers and this gospel of works by which people thought well if I just do good works I just keep multiplying them then you know I'm going to remain in fellowship with God and Paul says that's not what it's about it's always it's about faith it's always been about faith Israel did not remain in the covenant because they did not believe and like the Israelites in the wilderness with Moses not entering into the promised land because they did not believe and their unbelief led them to be afraid and to turn away from entering into the promised land and holding on the promises of God where Abraham's faith leads him forward to take hold of the promises of God so we like faith is always an active thing so faith on one hand the idea that your works just simply by doing things that's going to save you that's wrong but the other hand that faith is simply just an ascent to to of knowledge is also wrong because you know that leads people to believe nowadays that they can all they have to do is just trust and they don't have to produce any fruit or demonstrate their faith by living it out. and the other hand that And you know, it could it could lead to falling into this prideful attitude and this arrogant way of thinking that well, you know, I'm one of I'm part of Christ just like the Jews thought. I'm part of Christ. I have trust in Christ. I don't really have to do anything else.
And you know, Paul says, "No."
Right? Paul says, "Don't be haughty."
But fear.
Right?
And consider remember the goodness of God because if you do not continue in his goodness, you also will be cut off.
And just as well just as long as as well for the Jew for Israel, if they continue if they do not continue in their unbelief, they will be grafted back in.
Right? So, we see this this beautiful mystery of God grafting people into the tree which is Christ and then people being basically removed because of their unbelief.
Removing themselves because of their unbelief.
Do you want to say anything about this?
Oh, just just just adding to it from like Ephesians 3.
This, you know, mystery that we're talking about.
I'm just going to read Ephesians 3. For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles, assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace that was given to me for you, how the mystery was made known to me by revelation as as I've written briefly.
When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations, as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel. So, like we we know God promised Abraham, you know, uh uh through him all the nations would be would be blessed. They knew the Gentiles would be saved. The prophets talked about that. It's not that. It's that we would be one, and that's what Romans 11 is talking about, how we are all one in Christ Jesus. Earlier, uh where is that comment?
Uh my pastor said, "Similar to John 15, Jesus is the one who we're grafted into."
I love it.
And >> [snorts] >> we could get into the infant baptism thing, but I think that that is definitely a part of this. There are people who can be cut off from the tree.
And I don't think those are people who were were regenerate.
Those were just people who were in the tree uh because our offspring's in the tree, too, just like it Old Testament Israel, but that's a another uh another story. Continue on, my friend.
So, we got a He says uh Rational says, "Even after God chose his elect, they can still be unchosen?" No.
But Paul does not know who the elect are and who they are not, right? So, there are people who could and uh I think Twitchey would say there are people who could make a profession of faith, but not have real, genuine, true faith, not be really regenerate.
>> [snorts] >> Yeah, and I I think him and Dragon are having some sort of sort of like back and forth >> Never mind. in the chat. Rational Logic is known to be the guy in the chat.
He loves to debate.
>> I know.
Uh uh So, if we are verse 25, "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The deliverer will come out of Zion, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. For this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
Concerning the gospel, they are enemies for our sake. Concerning the election, they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.
For as you were once disobedient to God, yet you yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience. Even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you, they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that he might have mercy on all. Oh, the depths of riches of the riches, both the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become his counselor? Or who has first given to him, and it shall be repaid to him? For of him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever and ever. Amen.
Uh so, Paul finally ends, you know, the 11th chapter with this mystery of uh this mystery of election of the people of God, right? That God has chosen those who will be his. Uh and I that's how I would understand uh verse 26 here, "So all Israel will be saved." Uh all those who are spiritual Israel will ultimately be saved, will ultimately end up in heaven.
All those who God has chosen, uh who he has elected. And he basically spells it out here in verses 28 through till the end.
Uh you know, talking about how Israel, they were generally elect.
Right? They are uh he's saying, "For the gospel concerning the gospel, they are enemies right now, but there are those who, you know, through the preaching of the gospel will come to believe in Christ and trust in Christ because they have been uh called. They have been, you know, they have been chosen by God to do so.
Uh And again, like the humility that comes through this doctrine, I think it's just uh when people say this is a this is Now I'm talking about election, uh when it's doctrine of demons, I I say, "How could this be a doctrine of demons when it brings such humility and such uh lowliness, lowness, lowliness?"
Right? As you consider that, you know, I was once disobedient, now have I obtained mercy.
Uh As Paul says, uh "Even those who were disobedient, so that uh so that these who have been disobedient through the mercy shown to you may obtain mercy." So that's like this is how our relationship, this is how we should relate to Israel now. Right, we should seek to preach the gospel to them, seek to hold up Christ to them. That through that testimony, through that witness, they would come to Christ. How does it help us bring How is helping us bring Israel Jews today to Christ by saying, "Well, it doesn't really matter whether you're trusting Christ or not. You're of the You're physical descendant of Israel, therefore you're going to receive promises and blessings."
Yeah, I want to touch on a little bit of this cuz uh if you could go up to verse 25 Yeah, yeah. and 26. So, uh this is difficult.
It is. Yeah.
>> reformed theologians take this different way. So, I want to be like kind of charitable about this this section, but like the way I'm understanding this, blindness in parts happened to Israel.
We already know that that's like ethnic Israel. That's what it's been talking about previously. Yeah. Until What does the until mean? The fullness of the Gentiles come in. Does that imply that the blindness then will be taken taken away? Mhm. I think it does.
>> Yeah, that That's exactly how I would understand it. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then uh and so all Israel will be saved. Now, this is difficult because some would read it I think some even Bible versions would say and in this way all of Israel will be saved. So, it's almost like he's equivocating in verse 25 where he's talking about Israel being ethnic, but but then he he's going back to the Israel that was previously established in Romans 9:6 uh the spiritual Israel.
Uh and so all of Israel is saved when ethnic the the elect ethnic Israel and they elect Gentiles are saved. That is the way to understand it. Other people would understand it that like at the end of time after the fullness of the Gentiles come in, then that the blinders are removed from it, you know, ethnic Israel and tons of Jews come to to faith in Jesus. And I would take it to be that way if because it continues in verse 28, "Concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sake." They, the antecedent to that would be Israel.
Um and um you know, ultimately this is not like every every descendant of of Israel that are, you know, are is going to be saved when the fullness of the Gentiles come in. That's not what it's saying. It's obviously still elect. Um but I listened to Robert Cara, uh his uh lecture on the Reformed Theological Seminary app. And uh he says Romans 9 would be the most difficult it would be most difficult for us to to deal with. He was like, "Postmill guys that, you know, seeing a bunch of Jews come in at the end, this is like perfect for their system."
Uh Like, yeah, it is. It is.
100% it's right there. Yeah. By the way, if you guys don't have the Reformed Theological Seminary app, like dude, you got to check it out. It's free seminary lectures. Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah.
Man.
Yeah, I have it. So So so so so he so he so he so he so just to just to clarify, so how I I I would understand this, verse 25 and verse 26, right, is uh so we have blindness has happened in part or to physical Israel.
Yeah. Until the fullness of the Gentiles, right, and that's until Yeah, until the fullness of Gentiles And then and so all Israel will be saved. So how I would understand this like this will all Israel will be saved. I would understand it uh um when the fullness of Gentiles, you know, has come in, then the Israel then Israel then the majority of national Israel at that time will be saved. And they will be included in along with those Gentiles who have trust in Christ as all Israel. Is that how Is that Is that how you're understanding it?
Yeah. Yeah, I mean yeah, definitely. Uh but what when I see verse 26 and so all Israel will be saved.
>> Mhm. I just I have that that phrase is hard, but I think it's that's what it's referring to is the all a lot of the Israelites coming in.
Uh >> Oh, so you don't think all Israel will be is referring necessarily to the elect. I don't. I don't.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> That that's the only distinction and then Okay.
>> want to clarify for the audience's sake that verse 28, but concerning the election, they are beloved for the sake of the fathers, that election there is referring to corporate election, not individual election under salvation.
>> Uh and and it's important that we make that distinction >> Yeah. because a lot of synergists just don't think that Calvinists hold the corporate election. I'm like, of course we do.
>> No, that's that's nonsense. Yeah, that is nonsense.
There and you know, like even if you go back to uh you know, Paul makes this clear.
That was ours. Don't mean to Oh, went too far.
Uh at the beginning of chapter 11, Oh.
Here we are. At the beginning of chapter 11, Paul makes this clear, right?
Because he says, uh you know, God has not cast away his people whom he foreknew. Or do you not know what the scripture says of Elijah, how he pleaded with God, you know, that whole uh we talked about that earlier.
Uh that God had even preserved a remnant a remnant for himself even while the rest of Israel was in complete idolatry in the Old Testament. Uh so, while God did show did choose uh Israel as a nation in a general way, he also elected and chose those specifically in Israel who would uh have eternal life, who would have faith. Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, we have reached our mark. All right. And I'm cooked, bro. Thank you for having me on. Uh well, thank you for having Thank you for having me on. I'm sorry. [laughter] That's right. Sorry.
You're good. You're good. Well, thank you for having me on last time. If you guys haven't seen our video together, go check that out. Uh we were going We were talking about doing multiple things together. One of the things that we talked about was covering the cross exam section of your debate. Yes. As well as talking about the Nephilim. We know Rational Logic will love that. Rational Logic is a huge huge Nephilim fan.
Oh, yeah.
>> He hates it.
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