🎙️ People Bond Over Cortisol | Why We Thought Chaos Was Normal

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[00:00:00]Are we ready?

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[00:00:05]>> Okay. First thing we should do is take a big breath. Especially after that battery died. Thank goodness we weren't like too deep.

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[00:00:13]>> Anyway, here we go. I'm so grateful. Let's start with a little bit of gratitude.

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[00:00:25]>> They have been spectacular. They've been slaying it. I'm grateful that the weather is getting nicer every day. I'm grateful that we're back in here.

[00:00:33]>> Heck yeah. I'm grateful of it. Sunrises and sunsets, all of it. And the sun being out today is fantastic. I'm grateful you guys are back for another episode of Plan Inspiration Unplugged.

[00:00:44]We're John and Stephanie, founders of the nonprofit Plation. We started to uh educate, motivate, and inspire people to go plant-based for their health, the animals, and the planet.

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[00:01:11]>> You know, make this stick. We are um we've just like this podcast, >> it's like we thought it was just about the food.

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[00:01:54]>> Makes us want to actually makes me want to tell you guys this.

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[00:02:03]>> Is that how it goes? Like leave a top comment. We're learning as we go. You know, there like you said, that's not >> We're learning as we go.

[00:02:10]>> Emily, the producer of the documentary, was like, you know, you guys should uh mention something like this. And I love the feedback. So, we love the feedback.

[00:02:20]That's how we learn. We can handle it, >> you know. I love it.

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[00:02:30]>> We will chat about it. But it's how is your week cuz it has been a busy week.

[00:02:35]>> It that's the best word I could use for it is busy.

[00:02:39]>> Did I lose you already?

[00:02:40]>> No, it's like >> your face when I said how was your week, it's like your life flashed before your eyes.

[00:02:46]>> Well, let me think. It was crazy.

[00:02:49]>> Wa.

[00:02:50]>> No, it was it was really >> Where did that come from? It was way busy. A lot of people, a lot of machines, you know, I mean, running the the tool room at the spring companies. A lot of machines, a lot of people, a lot of stuff going on. A lot of things going on at work.

[00:03:04]>> Whoa. Is it stressful?

[00:03:06]>> Yeah, it can get stressful. It can. But I'm I'm doing better. I breathe through it. But >> you wait. Hold on.

[00:03:14]>> That hasn't always been the case.

[00:03:15]>> I was going to say to hear you just say I'm going to breathe through it.

[00:03:19]>> I'm gonna breathe through it. Yeah, >> I ain't >> I used to piss and moan about stuff and like hey man I you know the next guy tool guy whatever I come up to hey you know what you know whatever it is this guy or this or just the gossip just the latest whatever is bugging me or whatever. So there's that kind of stuff going on in tool rooms >> and then the next guy would stop by would you know yeah you kind of >> relive that stuff like >> well I mean I know >> when something's bugging you it's like ah you just get >> okay true I guess my the reason Am I so loud you guys am I too loud >> wow >> should I take you by turn his mic up >> here well the reason why I'm so like wow wow wow um is because I guess stereotypically I'm just thinking And >> that's not a guy thing to do, you know, but you're validating that it happens because I hear a lot of this all week long actually >> like guys don't gossip. What?

[00:04:19]>> Yeah, that's what I'm I mean, you just don't seem like that.

[00:04:22]>> Well, it's not really gossip. It's just like, yeah, bitching about whatever, >> which is like a >> any any It could be anything. Not even something at work, but you know, somebody just, man, this jerk pull out in front of me today on the way to work.

[00:04:35]You know, you and you just keep that negative energy going.

[00:04:38]>> Well, yeah. By the way respond.

[00:04:40]>> Yeah.

[00:04:41]>> The way you react to it.

[00:04:42]>> It's just Yeah, that's >> But that's not how it used to be for for us.

[00:04:48]>> And I know here's what I'll say. This is why we're in here. This is why we're in here. Because I know that this is more than just the food. It's how we get to that part of the food. Does that make sense?

[00:05:01]>> Totally. Totally 100%.

[00:05:03]>> You talking about this is exactly something that I see so clearly after working with so many people. The pattern of >> people bond over cortisol. And you just explained it right there.

[00:05:19]>> Oh man. Yeah.

[00:05:20]>> People bond over cortisol. Think about that for a second.

[00:05:24]>> Mhm. and because we're going to talk more about it. That's that's what this is really that's what this episode is about and that's what this really is about.

[00:05:36]>> And it occurred to me as I'm thinking about this and I'm hearing this because my job is to >> get people regulated so that they can heal, get that going.

[00:05:48]>> Oh yeah. So, when I hear the the pattern of um cortisol bonding, I guess we could say, >> my gosh, it's all around you.

[00:05:58]>> It's all around us and it's all we did.

[00:06:00]>> It's in everybody's pocket.

[00:06:02]>> It's the phone call that you get. It's the phone call that you get and and that goes on. It's the chaos energy, you know, and you see all over the place like these >> memes that kind of support that.

[00:06:18]>> Oh, yeah. And that's what I'm saying.

[00:06:19]It's in everybody's pocket. You open up any social media platform, somebody's bitching about something and there's thousand people jumping in on it.

[00:06:29]>> True.

[00:06:29]>> And they just get everybody worked up about it.

[00:06:32]>> I'll even hear stuff like that. Yeah.

[00:06:34]So, how you know and then, oh my god, listen to this.

[00:06:39]>> Oh my god, listen to this. Would Let me ask you this. Do you Exactly. If I had a quarter for every time I >> and and reliving stories, reliving stories, exactly what you were talking about at work.

[00:06:54]>> And the gossip loops, you know, like you said, it it just occurs. And I don't think that what I realize is I don't think people some people don't spread misinformation.

[00:07:07]They they spread emotional stress.

[00:07:11]>> Oh, wow. Yeah. emotional states.

[00:07:14]>> Yeah.

[00:07:14]>> You know what I mean? So, if somebody walks in right now, and we can relate.

[00:07:18]So, I'm going to get into I'm going to get into that. Of course, the old us is really where I started recognizing all this. You can relate. You know, you you know, you're going to get this person walking in, they just got cut off, you said, or something bad happened in the relationship or whatever, and they come in and it's almost like you want to match that energy. Yeah. Come on. Like, let's let's get into this. Let's break it down.

[00:07:41]>> Well, that's what they that's what they're hoping for. They're so so you can get it, you know, just so you can like get on the same the same. Yeah. The cortisol.

[00:07:51]>> The cortisol cuz you can feel it just by thinking about it. And just thinking about it reminds me of >> It reminds me of you.

[00:07:58]>> Oh, let's hear it.

[00:08:00]>> Sorry.

[00:08:01]>> Break it down.

[00:08:02]>> No, break it down.

[00:08:03]>> Well, this is what this is about. Us talking about how we see things today.

[00:08:08]And so >> way before plants >> Yeah. I'm realizing >> that was like that was your thing >> like whatever it was if there was something going on in the in the family or or uh anything anything something on the news somebody or somebody's breaking up with someone you you practically scheduled your coffee and cigarette to try to chat with somebody.

[00:08:35]>> This is true. You would like go out in the garage because there was like no no smoking in the house, you know, around the kids. But >> well, I it >> at least you did that.

[00:08:44]>> Well, we were dealing with incredibly >> I was puffing away, too. I'm not just putting her out on the >> So, we were dealing with incredible stressors in our life early on.

[00:08:56]>> You know, we custody cases. Oh, yeah.

[00:09:00]>> Divorces. We're Yeah, we're going there.

[00:09:02]>> Mhm. It was a lot to deal with and a lot to handle and I jumped right in when we got back together getting, you know, we dated early on. We talked about, you know, we were we were not together for 7 years and then we got back together and by then >> by then >> life >> there was some baggage.

[00:09:23]>> There was a lot of baggage.

[00:09:24]>> Yeah.

[00:09:25]>> You know, it was dealing with family stressors. It was dealing with legal stressors. It was dealing with >> ex stressors. It was it was full on survival mode is what I feel like it started right from the beginning.

[00:09:39]>> You know, I jumped right in and wanted to help you with with all of those things in your life. I was dealing with things in my life. Now, when I look back, wouldn't you say it really looked like survival mode up until >> we got here?

[00:09:55]>> Yeah. Seriously, >> like this is what I'm talking about. And I can understand and I have a better >> like for the first 20 years of our marriage it was >> that's the honesty of it all.

[00:10:05]>> Seriously, >> it's the honesty of it all because that's all we knew how to do was communicate through. I mean some people will realize this is kind of trauma bonding I guess but this is Yes.

[00:10:18]>> You can be technical about it or you can be really real about it. And when we're doing when we were doing stuff like that, no wonder it was constantly like a fight orflight state. What do we do next? What do I have to do? Let me clean the house. Let me scrub the house. Talk about inflammation. Talk about emotional eating, how it got us there. The drinking, the medicines, the sickness.

[00:10:40]Let's get on the phone and talk about that now for the next 20 years.

[00:10:46]>> Man, it was like, >> is that real?

[00:10:47]>> Yeah, that's real. And like when the kids were young like going to school, it was like on a schedule. You'd be you'd be down there with me in the morning.

[00:10:55]>> That was me smoking.

[00:10:56]>> I would leave to I would leave for work and you'd have your coughing cigarette and you'd be heading to the garage to get this phone.

[00:11:04]>> Get out of here. I got to have a cigarette and a co and a caffeine jack up the one of your friends.

[00:11:11]And then uh you know before the kids got up, you know, and then you get them ready for school and all that stuff. It started early cuz I didn't sleep.

[00:11:18]>> Then after that, you know, who knows?

[00:11:22]>> It kept on going.

[00:11:23]>> I mean, he took care of the house and everything else and fed us. But >> in between all that and then later in the evening, it was a beer and a cigarette or >> true >> or a vodka and a cigarette.

[00:11:34]>> And then it was processing all the bad things that happened my whole life. And >> and anything new that came in.

[00:11:40]>> Anything new that came in. Yeah. The news. Let's talk about the news. Can you believe that accident out on I90?

[00:11:46]It didn't it didn't affect me at all.

[00:11:48]>> But I'm going to make it affect me. I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to ruminate about it. I'm going to tell this person about it. I'm going to tell that person about it because I understand now we were just living off of cortisol and adrenaline of what next?

[00:12:03]>> That just seems like a big product of the system too. Really >> when you Yeah. When you think about it that way, >> just all the crap. I mean that I I don't know. Good news definitely takes a lot longer to spread around.

[00:12:18]>> I say that >> I'm I'm speechless because it's so true. And you know what?

[00:12:23]You know what this is?

[00:12:26]I thought it was normal.

[00:12:28]I thought it was normal to do those kinds of things. I thought it was normal to get activated like that. I thought it was normal to be ruminating. I thought it was normal to complain about stuff.

[00:12:40]And I'm not saying we're not allowed to.

[00:12:43]>> Right. Right.

[00:12:44]>> But the way that >> Well, it was different, but it seemed like everybody was doing that, you know.

[00:12:49]>> Well, everybody around.

[00:12:50]>> It wasn't just like, you know, talking to somebody and like blowing off a little from your day or whatever. It was just a >> It was a constant. It was repetition >> cuz there's always something else and something else and something else and >> Well, I I I was addicted to cortisol and I thought that was my personality.

[00:13:06]>> Yeah.

[00:13:06]>> You know what I mean? It was constantly riled up. And I'm riled up. I'm excited.

[00:13:12]>> But now it's about the all the good things that are going on. They're still those things are still happening. The tornadoes are still going.

[00:13:23]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:13:24]>> I'm just not jumping in them.

[00:13:25]>> No, >> I'm It's I get it now.

[00:13:30]>> Now I want everybody else to feel this way.

[00:13:32]>> Yeah. Because it wasn't until we started making these changes. It wasn't until, you know, when I go back and I think about it because, you know, like you said, the way that somebody came into work and they were all riled up about something.

[00:13:50]>> Oh, yeah. Just their drive on the way to work. Oh my gosh.

[00:13:53]>> Well, you always are telling me, people ask me all the time why I'm so chill.

[00:13:57]And I'm going to be honest, you guys. I want to roll my eyes when I hear that.

[00:14:01]>> Why? because that's not the way what I've I know you are now >> and I was before >> you were chill but not internally >> right I guess >> it was always like clenching feeling stressed out you know >> my fingernails off >> yeah it was it was many ways that we ate drank uh lived stressed ignored argued reacted >> cortisol goes with every meal.

[00:14:35]>> Jeez.

[00:14:35]>> You almost just >> Yeah. I would like a coffee and a cigarette with a side of cortisol, please.

[00:14:39]>> I mean, that's that's a lot of it. It's >> Yeah. Make it a bent day.

[00:14:43]>> It's so much.

[00:14:45]Let me let me just remind Let me ask you this. Remember when all of a sudden, so we we would watch 90Day Fiance all the time? Okay, let's let's just break that out there. We would watch it all the time. It was great. It was something that I called brain bleach. We're getting a lot of work done. We're we're doing our stuff. I don't feel bad about this. I'm allowed.

[00:15:02]>> Well, yeah. We weren't like like blowing our steam valve bitching to somebody about whatever was going on. We're just way in a different place.

[00:15:10]>> Yeah. So, we we started watching 90day Fiance and we've been following it for a long time. But there was a time even I'd say in the past year that suddenly I couldn't handle it anymore cuz we would sit down and eat. We would watch and I was like this is kind of making me feel stressed.

[00:15:27]>> I'm like this is stressing me out. This is totally like our past life >> when and this goes from the very beginning when we started this in 2013.

[00:15:38]This has evolved significantly more recently but it started the awareness right in the beginning when we started eating >> the plants all the way. It it shifted everything. It made you think differently. It made you feel good. It was more hopeful. We started sleeping better. We started regulating even though we didn't realize what that was back then. Shutting the TV off, putting more music on, focusing on the things that were going good, even though life was still being stressful back then. You know what I mean?

[00:16:11]>> It was like we just stopped talking about. It wasn't that we didn't need to keep regurgitating the same things. We were building new habits. We were putting cortisol um and dopamine. dopamine was coming rather than all that stressful cortisol. I was like, "Wow, look at this.

[00:16:29]>> Look at this. Look what we did. Look what we did now." And it was like a feeling of peace.

[00:16:36]And when I started feeling better here, here's a good way for me to explain this. When I started feeling better, I could then feel the tornado.

[00:16:47]>> Does that make sense? Well, I think yeah, we were inside the tornado like so we couldn't like see it >> and I was beat.

[00:16:56]>> Yeah, >> my body >> run down like literally >> literally >> run down.

[00:17:02]>> Imagine if you guys saw a tornado.

[00:17:06]Think about this. Imagine >> people have, >> you know.

[00:17:09]>> True. True. And >> been in them and lived through them to to >> We've had today. Thank you.

[00:17:14]>> Yeah, exactly.

[00:17:16]If you saw a tornado, where would you feel it in your body?

[00:17:22]>> Your chest, your stomach, your throat.

[00:17:26]>> Mhm.

[00:17:27]>> That's what those conversations started to feel like to me. I could identify it.

[00:17:33]>> You know what I And I got so peaceful from the diet change, the lifestyle change, turning these things off and listening to, you know, the I thought was woo woo to breathe and listen to your heart and put your hand on your chest and your still to this day when I coach people and I bring this up or you know during my daily coach coaching when I bring it up I say I used to think this was ridiculous and counterproductive to be in the middle of a tornado and go hold on let me put my hand on my heart and my hand on my belly and start to breathe. I thought this I just want to say I thought this was absurd.

[00:18:08]>> It was >> It's not absurd.

[00:18:09]>> It was a life-saving tool.

[00:18:12]>> It's a universal thing to say to somebody.

[00:18:14]>> We thought it was absurd.

[00:18:15]>> We did. But that's >> But then you were like, "Listen to your heart."

[00:18:22]>> It was It was exactly those moments where it started allowing me to see and feel when the tornado was coming.

[00:18:31]>> Yeah. And that's when I the first time in my life I realized I didn't want to jump in that tornado anymore.

[00:18:39]>> Mhm.

[00:18:40]>> But I could watch it go by.

[00:18:42]>> Yeah.

[00:18:43]>> And I was like, I'm good. I'm safe.

[00:18:45]>> You've got your own like Doppler that can, you know, detects cortisol and tornadoes real easily.

[00:18:51]>> Well, it was that and then it was once I recognized it, I realized I'm not responsible for other people's emotions.

[00:19:01]And that's what I do. I brought that up quite a few times. I bring it up all the time. I bring it up in my work all the time. We are not responsible for other people's emotions. And stop and think about that for a minute >> because this was pivotal.

[00:19:15]>> That's pretty deep. That is >> we really experienced this in a lot of our conversations while we were kind of doing the podcast in the beginning and getting stressed out, you know, and understanding like what is going on. And at one point I said, "I'm not responsible for your emotions." Like, "I don't know how to make this better.

[00:19:33]We've got to figure this out."

[00:19:35]>> And this is when that next shift started just going on. And we were like, "Wow, this is >> this is what changed our life."

[00:19:43]>> Yeah. It was like I knew there was work I needed to do, but that like helped.

[00:19:49]You know >> what part?

[00:19:50]>> Just hearing that.

[00:19:52]>> I remember your face when I was like, I'm going to say this again. I think you're going to hear me.

[00:19:56]>> She's right again. No, that's not what I'm looking for. But I was learning and I was understanding and I was watching patterns and I was recognizing myself how I would want to react to some of these things cuz it's so ingrained.

[00:20:11]It's so learned. Like I just said, we we bond over cortisol. So even when we would have these arguments, I could see in now how the cortisol would rise, a tornado would come, I would want to jump in with it, you know, we would go at it.

[00:20:27]And I started I'll use an argument for example for us, which could be for well, come on, everybody gets into arguments.

[00:20:35]This is normal. This is healthy.

[00:20:37]>> Um, but there was a there was a time that I just remembered because I was like, I'm not getting worked up before the podcast. Mhm.

[00:20:45]>> I'm not getting worked up before the podcast. I'm not responsible for your emotions right now. And I felt that like I felt like I didn't jump in. And I was able to observe a little of the tornado.

[00:20:58]>> Not in a bad way, but I think when you had to deal with that and I wasn't reacting, then that was a whole different Why isn't she arguing back with me?

[00:21:08]>> Yeah.

[00:21:09]>> Why isn't she getting worked up and making those big eyes like what? You know, it changed.

[00:21:15]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:16]>> Because then you realize you were in the tornado.

[00:21:19]>> Yeah.

[00:21:19]>> Is that a good way to put it?

[00:21:20]>> I'm the tornado.

[00:21:22]>> No. And it And the tornado wasn't all day. We We were in survival all day from jumping in those tornadoes.

[00:21:28]>> Yeah.

[00:21:29]>> You know what I mean? And then we ate around it and we drank around it and we continued to build that cortisol bond with other people around us at the time.

[00:21:39]You know what I mean?

[00:21:40]>> Yeah. Yeah. That pattern breakdown is that co- rumination like like we talked about and and >> I mean how I don't know if everybody here can understand what I'm talking about but >> I get it. You have a bad day and you want to just go home and b itch about it all.

[00:21:59]>> Yeah, >> we are allowed to decompress.

[00:22:05]But sometimes decompressing and doing it in a certain way isn't really decompressing. It's just rum ruminating over the same lions that were chasing you or the tornado.

[00:22:19]We'll stick with tornadoes today.

[00:22:20]>> The same tornado is what you're getting worked up about when the tornado isn't even happening.

[00:22:29]It's already gone. The news is that the warnings are over.

[00:22:32]>> You're safe. You're good. You don't need to keep stressing about it or calling your friends up and going, "Did you did you see that warning that was on earlier?

[00:22:41]>> It was real. I get it that it's stressful, but we can still be in that state >> and say, "I'm okay. I don't need to jump into it." Um, that's a big thing. And in life, some friendships, some relationships are built around surviving and not healing.

[00:23:03]>> For sure. That's a big one. And that's when we noticed that shift as well. It wasn't intentional. It was just that once you don't see or or once you are are so at peace and you're just realizing kind of what's going on, you notice the tornadoes.

[00:23:21]>> Yeah.

[00:23:21]>> You know what I mean? And I and I I I started getting into things that were more healing for me. I didn't want to keep rehashing >> some of that stuff. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, we change over the time, you know, >> it it happens. Many of us it just that's life.

[00:23:37]>> That's evolution.

[00:23:39]>> Yeah. Kind of something like that.

[00:23:40]>> Cuz I Yeah. I mean, I just I was done with that like being angry and like there's no there was no reason for it to be the tornado. Why the tornado?

[00:23:52]>> That's a good way to That's a good way to put it.

[00:23:55]>> I look at it like I stopped rehearsing pain for connection.

[00:23:59]>> Oh, wow. Right. And I think there's a lot of that going on because we have we didn't learn how to process all that.

[00:24:07]>> No, >> we didn't learn how to get through a lot of that stuff. You know what I mean?

[00:24:12]>> Yeah.

[00:24:12]>> And we ate our way through those emotions.

[00:24:15]>> Yeah.

[00:24:16]>> We got stressed out. We did things that weren't healthy for ourselves. We got into bad habits, things that soothed us.

[00:24:23]You know what I mean?

[00:24:24]>> Totally. When you stop feeding that behavior, there's a lot of healing that comes into that relationship dynamics changed. You know what I mean?

[00:24:35]>> And not just ours. I mean, friends and stuff. I mean, things change.

[00:24:39]>> Some people felt abandoned when that happened. And I know some people, you know, might even think to this day, >> oh, wow, she didn't, you know, get all worked up. I was like, that's okay, you know, everything will be okay.

[00:24:51]I don't mean it in a toxic positivity way. I mean it. And we have to know there's only so much you can do when that tornado is going. You one of them I learned is you don't have to jump in it.

[00:25:01]>> Yeah.

[00:25:02]>> You don't have to be a part of it. You can still love somebody. You can still feel for them. I was feeling for you. I was loving.

[00:25:08]>> I just couldn't keep That's me like making it worse by reacting and feeding the cortisol to it and making it worse. So, >> well, we're not in Kansas anymore. Okay.

[00:25:23]>> Yeah. I mean, people don't That's what I mean. People don't eat emotionally, they live emotionally.

[00:25:29]>> Yeah. Oh, wow.

[00:25:30]>> That's what this is all about. And we can change that, you know. We can Once we're aware of it, once we're aware of it, it changes everything. I mean, think of the cortisol, think of the stress, think of the overwhelm, the emotional eating, the survival state. So many people, ourselves included, we're there.

[00:25:48]>> Oh, totally.

[00:25:49]>> You get there. Like you people say all the time, I got all the information. I got all the books. I got all this. I'm doing this. I'm doing that. I'm doing that. I'm white knuckling it. I'm trying harder. I'm cutting back. I'm starving myself. I'm starting again. Do you guys hear that?

[00:26:02]>> That's the That is the tornado.

[00:26:05]>> Yeah. Wow.

[00:26:06]>> That's survival. That's all survival.

[00:26:08]Look at me. I'm like get I'm like getting all into this.

[00:26:10]>> Is that the Is that the cat five?

[00:26:12]Category five.

[00:26:14]>> Yeah. And I And I think most people are living there.

[00:26:16]>> Yeah. I know. I was >> same. I'm raising my hand for sure.

[00:26:21]>> Was there this is why diets fail?

[00:26:24]>> People aren't regulated.

[00:26:25]>> Diets, how can you even >> think it's just so much going on?

[00:26:31]>> If you're if you're in constant chaos and you're in that if every day these >> I'm trying to do a warning me, what does that do when you hear that? Then national broadcasting >> national broadcast system immediately I say things like I'm gonna clench my >> first I'm like is that the first Tuesday of the month or >> but it immediately that's what I'm talking about. Where do you feel that when you I don't know where you guys are living. I guess I should explain >> I think everybody >> everybody gets warnings for >> I would hope so. When bad weather or bad weathers we get these warnings and this is the time this is the highest time for tornado season in our area. Mhm.

[00:27:11]>> So that's why I'm on the tornado talk and I realized, you know, when those warnings go off, you feel it.

[00:27:16]>> Yeah. You clench up your your nervous system like takes it.

[00:27:20]>> And what do you start doing? You start planning for survival. I need to get some water. I need to get in the basement. I need to get into a safe place. If you never find that safe place, >> how the hell can you get it together?

[00:27:36]>> Yeah. If you're constantly running from a tornado, now imagine the tornado's not even going.

[00:27:42]>> The tornado is coming out of the TV.

[00:27:44]>> It's coming out of the TV >> or the radio.

[00:27:46]>> It's coming out of the text from people, social media, >> from the person who's still talking about the same stuff that happened to them over and over and over again. And I feel for that person. This is not a personality thing. This is getting stuck in that fight or flight or that frozen state and not knowing how to downshift it into this it's going to be okay. It's past.

[00:28:12]>> Yeah. You know that that's I'm just thinking about that. That is where I feel I was living. It just was like I must have been on a constant cortisol drip because I just felt like >> you had an autoimmune. Well, yeah, but I mean I felt like just life was just happening like I had no control like in a freaking tornado. I'm imagining >> you used to say this to me all the time.

[00:28:38]You would say like life you would you even said it in the podcast one time and I remember thinking here he goes again just talking about life slipping away like through the kite and the string and you're always running after it. You said it. That that was my thing. Like yeah, >> look at you explain it.

[00:28:55]>> When you're Yeah. fly in a kite, you know, and you drop the string and it's like taking off and the string's bouncing along the the ground. You're trying to catch up to it. You don't have time to think about what you're having for dinner or or you know if you're going to have another drink and a cigarette with somebody and just crap about your day and you >> Yeah, it's so true. Do you feel like you're still chasing that kite?

[00:29:18]>> No. No.

[00:29:20]>> Total shift.

[00:29:21]>> Yep. completely. I've reeled it in, >> you guys. That's getting regulated enough that you can see the tornado or that the kite's taken off. And probably >> I'm in control of the kite now. I'm in control. It's not like, >> oh my god, I'm getting clempted, >> running away from me.

[00:29:41]>> Clemped >> because it's so real to recognize that.

[00:29:46]I want everybody to feel this and we are witnessing it in the community.

[00:29:51]>> Like my whole life I feel like I was after like >> keep going.

[00:29:56]>> You just feel like you're going like that's the whole rat race freaking everything. It's just how we were all brought up just in this system of need and greed and wants and different things. And it's just like >> it was we everything we did depended on >> I mean it's hard to focus on yourself and your family when it just >> we thought we were doing it. We thought we were doing it. We thought >> we were but we could have definitely been doing a hell of a lot better.

[00:30:24]>> True.

[00:30:25]>> For a couple decades.

[00:30:26]>> True.

[00:30:27]>> I know. I could have been better parent, better everything. Better husband, better >> I don't have Kleenex in here, man.

[00:30:36]>> I probably >> But true. Same. I agree. But this is exactly >> actually if you do need a Kleenex. This is that bamboo paper from the plant paper.

[00:30:45]>> Fantastic. Oh, do you really need something?

[00:30:47]>> Well, it's true. You know what I mean?

[00:30:49]And we realize that and that's why we've come in here and started talking about it because I don't think most people realize it.

[00:30:56]>> I want everybody to feel this way. I want everybody to find this peace, this place, this we're not dieting. We're just we're getting healthier by the way we're eating, by the way, by the way reacting. the stress load off of people in this is why I built this whole community. That's why I kept going.

[00:31:14]That's why I'm in the middle of this big big project behind the scenes.

[00:31:17]>> Man, I thought we were just like, you know what? Okay, let's try out this vegan stuff in the beginning.

[00:31:22]>> Same.

[00:31:22]>> Like, this has got to work. It helped me drop the pounds and have some energy.

[00:31:27]>> But we started getting regulated from the beginning and we didn't even realize it.

[00:31:31]>> We shut the TV off. Boom. We stopped raising the cortisol. The conversations changed with who I talked to. It some of it was on accident. People didn't want to talk to us. We started losing weight.

[00:31:41]We started talking crazy vegan talk.

[00:31:43]>> You know what I mean? That happened. It was an accidental like genius thing.

[00:31:47]>> All of a sudden, you're not being invited to parties and stuff.

[00:31:50]>> I was upset about it at first, but then I was like, you know what? I'm grateful because I'm not I'm didn't want to get in that tornado. Maybe.

[00:31:56]>> I'm good. Yeah. We kind of had to do some healing then. Yeah.

[00:32:00]>> And there's been more healing along the way. But really being able to see, >> wow, look, we could get more people into that healing place. Totally. We're getting by talking about this in here and recognizing, wow, there is something we can do. We don't have to stay in this place of rat race, trying harder, >> going at it harder, restricting, overwhelming, regurgitating. I'm not saying ignore all the bad stuff that's going on in your life.

[00:32:28]>> Stuff going on.

[00:32:28]>> There's a there's a way that you can heal from it and it isn't going to be >> bonding over cortisol.

[00:32:35]>> No.

[00:32:36]>> Does that make sense?

[00:32:37]>> Yeah, for sure.

[00:32:38]>> I mean, that's just from lived experiences and we've gone through some stuff.

[00:32:41]>> Some stuff that there's no I don't even know if we'll ever be able to get into it. I don't even know if we could talk about half the Well, we can, but >> Well, I don't know even what the hell you're talking about. is everything that we've gone through from the very beginning.

[00:32:54]>> Oh gosh, >> we briefly scathed over. Oh, we've gone.

[00:32:57]Yeah, >> we've briefly scathed over, but it wasn't just some, >> oh, these guys got married and had some kids and it was >> the reason why we're making >> got a hold of you. You gained weight.

[00:33:11]You, you know, surgeries, this and that.

[00:33:13]>> Well, look at all the tornadoes that were going on around us. It was survival mode 24/7. And that's why that's why um I'm working on that big project with, you know, looking at behavior change, lifestyle medicine. Why is this Why is this working so good?

[00:33:33]>> Mhm.

[00:33:33]>> Well, I get it. I get exactly what's going on.

[00:33:38]>> Yeah. Exactly. Cuz you lived it.

[00:33:40]>> I'm just taking it in right now.

[00:33:42]>> We living it. I mean there was so much so many changes so many things that we did differently and change and everything and it's only like recently with you know continued education that you're getting that you are now having definitions for these different things accurate actual what the hell do you call it?

[00:34:01]>> What's I have to say something kind of profound.

[00:34:05]>> When I was talking to Emily we were working on the documentary. It's going great. Can't wait. I don't want to say too much, but I don't think people realize like, oh god, this is going to be awesome.

[00:34:16]>> Um, we were talking about the one of the board meetings we had. We had brought this giant board together. We were like, next level now. We're going to get this bigger and better.

[00:34:28]>> Um, and we did.

[00:34:30]>> And when I go back and I look at the the transcript from 2022, >> we said we were doing this.

[00:34:37]>> Yeah.

[00:34:37]>> We said we were doing all of these things.

[00:34:40]And I also had I was already talking about community behavior change regulation. I was bringing lifestyle medicine that it wasn't just about the food. It was community >> way before I even understood the depth of what >> totally >> what's happening in here. But basically what's happening is here I I'll break it down. People don't just need recipes.

[00:35:05]They need regulation.

[00:35:06]>> That's right. That's right.

[00:35:07]>> You know, look at it that way. We that's kind of summing the whole thing up. We don't need more recipes. And I say that all the time when I'm on social media.

[00:35:16]Um, everybody thinks it's about the recipes.

[00:35:19]You know, I'm not an influencer of recipes. I'm an influencer of keeping it real. I should say I'm an influencer of regulation because I think everybody needs to keep it really easy is what I say. You know what I mean? And that's why we have the ear plants off glasses.

[00:35:34]It's like how easy can that be? recipes with, you know, >> jeez, I'm not going to say >> order of regulation.

[00:35:41]>> Well, what changed was we needed the food and people need the food. So, I get it. You know what I mean?

[00:35:48]>> They also need the movement.

[00:35:50]>> They also need community.

[00:35:51]>> They also need nervous system awareness.

[00:35:54]It's running everything.

[00:35:55]>> That's right.

[00:35:55]>> It's running everything, you know. When people right here in Pliration are not just losing weight, >> they're changing their whole identity around all of this stuff. You know what I mean? They're changing the emotional environment that they've been living in.

[00:36:13]Is that a good way to put it? They're changing the emotional environment they're living in.

[00:36:16]>> Totally.

[00:36:17]>> Because food, emotional eating, connection, cortisol, all of this, it's all connected. That's why Pliration exists.

[00:36:26]>> Yeah. all of this.

[00:36:28]>> I mean, you've just learned so much, you know, but with just the evolution of plantspiration and going through all that and and how it's not just the food.

[00:36:39]>> It isn't >> like it started with just the food. I mean, but you know, you know, community because we started all together, the whole family. Okay. That was a small community and it freaking >> And why did we start?

[00:36:50]>> What do you mean why?

[00:36:51]>> Why did we start doing this?

[00:36:54]>> What?

[00:36:55]>> Why did we go plant-based? like why did we go back and we watched we watched Forks Over Knives and we were like okay let's do this why did we do that >> and I was like at the end >> yeah we were >> I was like this is the last straw like >> we had to get to the bottom to find out like how how deep it went >> we wanted to get healthy >> we wanted to lose weight we wanted to feel great >> because that's the science we know it works and if you're listening there is no other diet and lifestyle on the planet that can prevent and reverse disease to the magnitude that this does.

[00:37:29]There's there's nothing else. If you want to put that comment in there, we'll talk about that, too.

[00:37:34]>> Just saying. Um, but what I realized is even though everybody understands the science that has been out for decades.

[00:37:42]>> Let me just let me just be really clear.

[00:37:44]Heart disease can be reversed.

[00:37:46]Autoimmune can be reversed. Dement uh Alzheimer's can be reversed. These things can be prevented. These things can be reversed. Diabetes, obesity.

[00:37:56]There's it's like eight out of the top 10 deaths in the United States can be prevented or reversed with whole food plant-based lifestyle medicine.

[00:38:06]>> That's right.

[00:38:07]>> So, why isn't it sticking?

[00:38:09]because there's a lot of regulation that needs to be happening.

[00:38:13]>> And what did we do differently that we recognize we did it together?

[00:38:16]>> Mhm.

[00:38:17]>> So there was the the environment changed immediately.

[00:38:21]>> Y >> there was a support system.

[00:38:23]>> We started talking about winds and not the negatives that were going on. Things shifted. Our identity shifted right there.

[00:38:29]>> Tornadoes.

[00:38:30]>> Yeah. The tornadoes stopped kind of knocking on our door. They stopped calling us.

[00:38:35]>> And I was like, you know what? I'm cool with that. I have I'll find something else to do like start a nonprofit.

[00:38:41]>> Yeah, >> I'll start doing this. So, the more the tornado warnings went off, the more I silence things down and I said, I'm not jumping in here. I'm building something over here.

[00:38:51]>> Yeah, for sure.

[00:38:52]>> And now, anyway, that's why >> it's amazing. So, in the old US, >> no, not at all.

[00:38:58]>> It's a new us.

[00:38:59]>> That's right.

[00:39:00]>> But everybody's joining us with learning how to get this down and turn it around.

[00:39:05]And you guys need to join us too because we got some good things going on in our Planspiration health report. Who's who's that brought to you by?

[00:39:12]>> These are brought to you by the Pliration members who are less stressed, lower cortisol. They're not all living in survival state and they are feeling the relief.

[00:39:22]>> They are. They are.

[00:39:24]>> They're feeling it.

[00:39:25]>> Last week we were down, I recall, 2,600 lb. People are reducing medications, but I'm loving all the updates you give us.

[00:39:33]>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's across the board. So many people with better sleep and they're having better energy. People working out that haven't been working out.

[00:39:43]>> There's more bike riding going on now than I even know.

[00:39:48]>> I'm more bike riding, more swimming, more walking. Like, let me just explain something. And yeah, >> buying treadmills and bikes, new bikes, indoor uh you know, recumbents, out regular bikes. I mean, >> they're living on earned cortisol. Oh, I can't wait to get up and get moving.

[00:40:04]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:40:05]>> It's not I can't wait to get up and get bitching.

[00:40:07]>> That's a selfacy.

[00:40:09]>> Self-efficacy >> that we're seeing. Yep. There's a lot of improvement in food decisions.

[00:40:15]Um uh a lot of more consistent movement is what's happening in the group and which gives you less symptoms um changing habits for their health. Um there is diabetes reversal in progress progress who had numerous person.

[00:40:35]>> It's happening.

[00:40:36]>> It's happening and it's sticking here.

[00:40:39]>> Heck yeah.

[00:40:40]>> It's sticking.

[00:40:41]>> There's people um uh about giving up their walkers like they're really coming back, you know?

[00:40:49]They're really doing it.

[00:40:50]>> This isn't about getting >> they're feeling great.

[00:40:52]>> This is not about giving up over here.

[00:40:55]It's about getting better.

[00:40:57]On top of that, we have uh people ditching her GLP-1 meds.

[00:41:02]>> Woo!

[00:41:02]>> Right. Let's hear it there, too.

[00:41:04]>> Yeah.

[00:41:05]>> Heck yeah. And again, for no vending machine food, >> that's serious. You know, >> I should have the claps on everything.

[00:41:13]>> Let me explain this. It it you might be listening and thinking, "Okay, great.

[00:41:17]Somebody passed up the vending machine."

[00:41:19]That's an identity shift. We learn to live like that where we keep going past it and we keep dealing with it and we keep having to deal with it. You're not if you're not learning the tools on how to break those habits forever, you'll keep falling into that shame. Oh, I had a vending machine, >> you know, and let me beat myself up and I'll start together. I'll start all over on Monday. We do not start over on Monday. This is about getting better.

[00:41:43]This is about increased hope, like you said, self-efficacy and freedom. And how free are we from weight that carries us down this week?

[00:41:52]>> Oh my gosh. Are you kidding me? We are at 2,616 lbs.

[00:41:57]>> Shut the front door.

[00:41:58]>> Heck yeah.

[00:41:59]>> Because we got we got more. It keeps getting better and better. And let me just say this.

[00:42:06]>> Um this is a community of winds, of movement, of better blood sugar, of better emotional regulation. And these are people building peace inside their body.

[00:42:18]>> Seriously. And it's showing on the outside.

[00:42:20]>> It's showing on the outside.

[00:42:21]>> It's showing on their activity, their sleep. I mean, just people are doing great.

[00:42:26]>> This is what people deserve. So, if you're having trouble with any of this, if you're listening to this right now and you're realizing, >> oh my gosh, this is me.

[00:42:34]>> Yep. Yep.

[00:42:35]>> Good.

[00:42:36]>> The other 60 diets I've done so far, I just haven't gotten it.

[00:42:40]>> This is a really, if I could be so honest, >> I would like that. 99. I think that I think that's why people like us, John, because we don't tell you what you need to hear.

[00:42:52]>> Yeah.

[00:42:52]>> We We don't tell you what you want to hear. Oh, you should eat more plants and this is going to be awesome. We tell you what you need to hear.

[00:42:59]>> Okay. Awareness is where the healing starts.

[00:43:03]>> Yeah.

[00:43:04]>> You don't have to stay trapped in survival mode. And I'm going to tell you why I know this. Because 99.99999% of the people that are in this community are plantbased pros.

[00:43:18]>> Yep.

[00:43:18]>> It isn't just about the food. It's about the mood.

[00:43:22]>> That's right. Good mood. Good food. Good food. Good mood.

[00:43:26]>> No meat. Now go eat. That's usually how we end our class. This week's class, by the way, >> I'll just throw this in here, is going to be, and we have eat your plants off classes. Yeah. where we teach people every week inside plans inspiration how to get this down, how to stop dieting, how to stop turning it around. It isn't going to be with some 21-day plan.

[00:43:44]>> Mhm.

[00:43:44]>> It's going to be with really how to deal with everyday life.

[00:43:48]>> Seriously, I mean, the schedule of everything that you go through. I mean, if I could say here for a minute, you know, you could pick up a on Eventbrite, you know, or off the plansation.org website a class, you know, usually around 15.

[00:44:02]>> I'm going to have to hurry up and load those up.

[00:44:04]>> Okay. Like there's like $15 a class. So you say, you know, four weeks, that's 60 bucks for a month. But the whole plan inspiration membership is only $50 a month that comes with all the classes.

[00:44:16]>> Mhm.

[00:44:16]>> And but that's not all. But wait, that's not all.

[00:44:19]>> That's how it feels.

[00:44:20]>> We also have a Monday. It's not motivation. It's >> Monday momentum. It's identity work.

[00:44:26]Tuesday is the repetition. You know, Wednesday is the nutrition. Thursday is I, you know, um, nervous system awareness stuff, tools like that.

[00:44:34]Thursday Thrive.

[00:44:35]>> But wait, that's not all. There's more.

[00:44:38]>> The community on Saturday, >> the community support group, the Saturday support group. We all get together.

[00:44:43]>> There's nothing like it.

[00:44:44]>> It's awesome. We celebrate wins. We talk about hurdles and we crush it and get on with our day.

[00:44:49]>> It feels good to >> feel good.

[00:44:53]>> Bring this type of regulation and energy into the world. Mhm.

[00:44:59]>> And I want everybody to feel this.

[00:45:02]>> I mean, there's so many people that have learned, you know, the plants and everything and like everybody, you've seen the doctors, all the science stuff.

[00:45:10]It's out there. You can search it anytime if you haven't seen it. True.

[00:45:13]>> That's not This is about really applying all that information, >> integrating it, >> you know, integrating it. Yes, that's an excellent word. But what I'm thinking is I hear from so many people in the community. They're just like, but coming together in this community and really talking about our stuff is uh a big thing. Big thing that ties it all together.

[00:45:36]>> We're basically pretty proud of it and and we are in here talking about it because >> had I not integrated all these things that we've been learning and talking about, there's no way that I would have been able to do things at the level that I've been doing it. It's it's sometimes it's insane. Sometimes I think of the old me and I'm like, "What? What?" The the the lack of self-confidence I had, the self-doubt, the all of those things. It I just want everybody to feel this good. And when >> Didn't you used to feel good just floating in the pool with a vodka and a cigarette?

[00:46:12]>> No. I was trying to convince myself >> that life was awesome. Look at me. I'm really living it up. I didn't even want to look at myself in the mirror.

[00:46:21]>> I know.

[00:46:22]>> I made you take them all down for that reason.

[00:46:25]>> But they're all back up.

[00:46:26]>> But the TVs aren't >> true. True. You don't have to stay trapped in survival mode. And I'll just say one more thing. That's why we c that's why we keep it the way we do at Plation. We want it to be not stressful.

[00:46:38]It shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to get healthy. It shouldn't be like that.

[00:46:42]So, >> um, we just want to say you don't become a different person overnight. You need to start creating a different environment.

[00:46:51]>> That's right.

[00:46:51]>> It's a good way to put it.

[00:46:52]>> Yeah.

[00:46:54]>> You can acknowledge the tornadoes like there's I get it. They're happening, but you don't have to become a part of it.

[00:46:59]And some people are starving for peace and calling it hunger. You know what I mean? There's just like that going on.

[00:47:04]So, >> I was just thinking about those tornado chasers in their vehicle. Like, yeah, we're not we're done with that. We're done with that.

[00:47:11]>> I remember even being like that, too. I was like, who could I call next? Oh, just kind of like, "Oh, I talked to her already." Ding.

[00:47:17]>> Yeah.

[00:47:18]>> Through your phone.

[00:47:19]>> You know what?

[00:47:21]>> That's how you get through.

[00:47:23]>> People bond over that. And I get it.

[00:47:25]>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, totally.

[00:47:26]>> But you can also bond over some good stuff that's going on. You >> like some kale.

[00:47:30]>> You can get addict. You can get addicted to some good stuff and we want to get you guys addicted to it, too. Um, if this is hitting you, I want to say one more time, good awareness is where the healing happens. And >> if there's one thing that I want you to do this week, I want you to remember you're not responsible for other people's emotions, okay? You're responsible for you first, okay? So, pay attention to that. We love you guys. We want to get out of here. It's a beautiful day. Go get outside, get some vitamin D, get some walking in or some vitamin B maybe for a bike ride.

[00:47:59]>> Yeah, there you do that. Okay, we love you guys. We'll see you next week. Have a great week. Eat your plants off. Drink your water. Protect somebody that you love >> for sure.