This analysis offers a sharp and necessary distinction between symbolic iconography and the birth of true phonetic syntax in ancient Egypt. It effectively clarifies the evolutionary leap from simple accounting tools to fully developed systems of human communication.
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>> Hey, you wrong, bro. It's a writing.
Ununiform is actually readable. THEY HAVE WHOLE DICTIONARY.
>> You're not listening, bro. I didn't say I didn't say uniform isn't read readable. I didn't say that.
>> Yeah, but that is >> King J. You heard what I said, right? I definitely heard what I heard you, bro.
You didn't say that.
>> I said that it's proto, right?
>> You're not listening, Cosmo. It's cool, bro.
So, when you go to tomb U.J. S, you can actually read it.
You agree, King Jay?
>> That's a primary source.
>> And you can, what I'm saying is it's actual names of cities on it that we can read, right? like >> a cat. A cat. Um, you have a kiss.
>> No, no, no. Tomb J in Egypt.
>> Oh, Egypt. Okay.
>> Pre-dynastic Egypt. The writing tomb UJ found in Nata that shows the earliest form of writing in in ancient Egypt.
>> Okay. We can we can read that. Yes, we can.
>> Okay. Can we read proto writing?
>> Yes. I mean read it in a sense of like it has >> first. No, no, no, no. We can it has we identifying the iconography at this point.
>> Exactly. So now I I can see you being honest.
>> Mhm.
>> You being honest. So we have no Sumerian writing, true writing that predate ancient Egypt. Right.
>> In that context, you're right. We just have the symbols.
>> Okay, I got you.
>> We also got proto writing in ancient Egypt, right?
>> Yes. writing it.
>> Never mind.
>> Proto writing >> King J. Can you tell Cosmon the difference between protoriting and actual true writing?
>> So the first actual sentence would be would be the actual what I would consider actual writing. You know what I'm saying? Proto will be just a collection of like the icon certain iconography that would later become what we be called Metanet. Um >> Elder Suntan, are you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
>> Did you get my email?
>> Yeah, I got it.
>> I want you to bring up that black and white picture. Pull that up for me, please.
>> Just a second.
>> Where you been at, bro?
>> You know, you know I can't bring >> I've been working. I've been working, bro. I've been working. That's why I'm not even at >> Are you saying this is not Are you just so I'm just so I can follow. Are you saying uniform is not a written language?
>> I didn't say that.
>> So, what are you saying about it?
Are you saying we can't read it?
>> If you didn't get that, I don't know what to say. King, >> I don't get what you're saying.
>> Yeah.
>> One second.
>> Let me get the first example of >> black and white.
>> There you go. It's It's in the chat.
It's in the uh side. I got to pull it up.
>> 31 3100. Those would be the kiss tablets, wouldn't it? Those would be the kiss tablets. 3500. That's proto ununiform pictograms.
>> That what we just said.
>> That's what we just said, brother.
That's what we said.
>> When you start listen proto ununiform is is the way that the um the people in that period use it in 3200 was more centered on count accounting systems.
>> Yes, Chuck is right. It's an accounting system.
So my my point is this.
Right now what we have to date the earliest true writing is tomb UJ in ancient Egypt.
>> Would anybody contest that?
>> Can you prove that?
>> I just gave you the tomb, brother. All you got to do is look up to UJ.
>> Sorry, Mai. Am I telling the truth? And >> what does that have to do with >> That's That's actually That's actually Abidos. Huh?
>> Yeah. I'm giving a specific tune though, King J. He seemed He seemed to be a little stuck on Samaria. He got He got an issue.
>> Yeah, he he got he got an issue with that.
>> So now I'mma leave that right there.
>> And some of those, too.
Yeah. Yeah. K. You on point, brother.
You know, sorry K. I like you, bro.
You be on point, bro.
>> I'm driving my truck. He know me.
>> Me, too. I had to pull over cuz Elder Santan told me to come up here. I had to pull over. I was driving.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was driving when I noticed with the show. So, wait. Share the screen, sir. Share the screen.
So, I found this years ago, BUT SOMEBODY SOMEBODY PUT IT OUT before I could, so I got to I got to give them credit. They put it out in an article called Nwabia, the Nubble of East and the Westward migrations. But this particular map right here, King J. This is from the UNESCO volume 4 book. You ever read that one or Kai? Anybody?
>> I'm familiar with it, but I haven't read it. Just straight through the >> Okay. Sorry.
Oh, you went through volume eight.
>> Damn.
>> What's this depicting, brother?
>> This is a map by Audi 3 from 1154 that the UNESCO volume 4. So, I don't I can't share the screen. That's why I had Ertan do it.
So, cuz I'm driving right now, >> so I had to pull over. But this is a UNESCO volume 4 book.
Uh sorry m when you get a chance you can reference it again and go look at it if you like but as you can see on this map by Ali Drezy in 1154 on this map that UNESCO deemed scholarly enough to put in a book adjacent from Duncola or which is Dongola you see Nwabia >> didn't you say that that was made up it it was modern >> no I said that Nwabian was >> where I I don't see what you're talking about.
>> I don't I don't >> I see new It's on the map, but I like this. Yeah.
>> No, he um he want He has been trying to get me to argue with him about >> about I told I'd be happy to debate you on this platform on that topic exclusively.
>> It up San >> Let's do it because I always get people who would like to side with Dr. New York and his literature and my job is to just debunk all that nonsense. And because I know some of you guys had a tendency to hold on to at least something. Give me something I can hold on to it so we can find this 12th century picture. And then see I thought you said that new was something was made up. No York said he made all this stuff up.
>> No sir.
>> Yes sir.
>> Yes sir. But this topic, but I don't want to I don't want >> I I don't care if he made it upate to me. I'm with you on things need to be proven. Listen, >> hold on. I was I had the floor, brother.
I have the floor, brother. See, you losing your religion right now. Gave me the floor. You talking and then deal with.
So, let's stick with the scholarly stuff here. And then we this stuff.
>> I already addressed the scholarly stuff.
We agreed. We can debate the napian thing step by step.
Right now I want to keep it on a scholarly thing with the scholarly but all that and we can build on that.
>> This is the Ian lovers in a long >> great you can get until then.
>> This book right here is a story.
>> Don't act like it's not.
>> All right. I know you see it.
>> I know you're a little flustered right now. And me and you, I I inboxed you three years ago and you tried to ignore it.
>> That's a fact. I got the evidence of that, too. If you want to keep playing, are we live?
>> So, s your man right here, where Chucky said that it was that Dr. York made that up and you can't find it nowhere in Africa.
That's what him and a bunch of other guys say.
>> You saying that says Nwapian?
>> I'm not saying it. It say what it say.
It says Nwabia. King J. Can you see it?
>> Hold up, dude.
But take that base out your voice, boy.
You ain't thick. Come on, man. Talk to me like we we brothers now. Don't act in the ring. Come on now. Get a hold of you. You >> I tried to talk to you. I got on you so bad. You blocked me on sexual thing and it's working from there.
>> I haven't disrespected.
>> No, you need to come. I'm calm, brother.
>> Hey, set it up, son.
>> I'm in his body. Look at him out his body.
>> Set it up.
>> You said that Noah is made up.
>> Okay. So, we going to set it up. King J, Assar, M Kai, Elder, Santan, Blackmail, Setta, Cosmon, him, Garfield, and a few other people said it was made up.
>> Well, you going to set them straight then. We going >> No, no. This Hold on, King. Elder Santan, let's be clear. This is in the UNESCO volume 4 book. I found this years ago, but somebody put it out before me.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. There's nothing to debate on that.
>> Oh, >> yeah. That's the UNESCO book.
>> So what's your contention now?
>> Well, first when I came on, I spoke on with King Jay and Sar Mod that writing first we see the evidence we have right now. The earliest form of writing is in ancient Egypt.
>> King J.
>> So we were talking about those tokens, right? They're more like tokens than any than anything. You know what I'm saying, >> right?
>> Cosmo, you don't understand the difference between protoriting and true writing.
>> I do understand the difference.
>> Okay. So why are you arguing?
>> You should make the you should hold on.
You should make questions better BECAUSE >> KING J UNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION M understood my question.
>> No because they are >> King DID YOU UNDERSTAND?
>> YOU ARE HOLLERING into an echo chamber.
>> That's why you know you're familiar. It was like it's like 300 little bones. You know what I'm saying? And it's understand it too.
>> Sorry. M K understood me perfectly.
>> All right. All right. Hold on everybody.
Hold on. This is Chuck Morgan show. Um I want I want um Harwin and Chuck Morgan to talk.
>> All right.
>> Oh, he said that it was made up.
>> It's that simple.
>> He dropped off. Uh s >> Yeah, he dropping off a lot now. That's funny, >> man. No, he going to jump back on.
>> Come on, jump back on. Can I Can I ask J a question real quick then while while we wait on him to come back? Don't >> let me run you off the show, Chucky.
You and Jabari can get it at the same time. We can have the first right here on side of the house of conscience. We can have the first handicap match.
>> That be I want to see that between you and Chuck. So definitely >> and can get it together.
>> Okay, here we go. My back. I'm back. Can you hear me?
>> Yeah, we got we >> Oh, sorry about that. Yeah.
>> So, what what did I miss?
>> All right. Stop in and y'all can have a discussion.
>> Elder Santan, can you share your screen again? Bring it up. Bring it back up.
>> This is from the UNESCO volume 4 book.
Hey King J, you can just Google UNESCO volume 4 PDF. It's free online.
right there it say now source at the top left >> under that it says dunola that's another way to say dongola like the dongala we right >> anybody that know what that is that's a that's a that's a newbian tribe and we see lad >> right so when you see adjacent to dongala you see nabia in the place where npata would be >> right >> okay >> that's a source But I want y'all to know Chucky knew about this source three years ago and never said nothing.
>> He did.
>> Yes, you did.
>> I'll wait for you. I'll wait for you to finish.
>> Yes, you did know about it. In fact, Elder Santan share the screen. Share the image of me and his conversation in in my inbox. Oh [ __ ] He kept the receipts, Chuck.
He kept the receipts, Chuck.
Damn.
He wait.
He been waiting for this.
Hey. Hey. You ran. You blocked me.
>> Dude, why am I going to have somebody constantly in my inbox saying all kinds of dumb stuff and I >> The evidence is going to say that you said something.
>> Dude, just state the point. Hold up.
>> Elder Suntan, share the screen. We don't got to do all that.
>> Then it's my turn. Okay. You already went saying cuz now he know now he he got convenient amnesia.
>> He didn't know three years ago. Okay.
>> H >> interesting.
>> Let me type up something real quick.
>> S not here.
>> He not. Oh, >> can I can I ask uh Chuck another question real quick from my earlier question?
>> All right. All right. So now y'all was saying that it's a xym, right? But I was just doing some research as I was waiting to get my turn back and I didn't find that name the usa and no contemporary records outside of the Mesopotamian record. And then inside of their own records inside of it's called the um let make sure I get this name right. It's called the the sher pack if I'm saying that right.
And inside of that, yeah, inside of that, a father give advice to his son.
And that's like a wisdom book. You don't use a a exm inside of your your wisdom books and and in and times like that.
And then outside of that, you got the royal inscriptures where uh the kingd and and if you don't find that word in outside contemporary sources, wouldn't that make it an endomonym? a name that they use for themselves that's not an outside name.
>> Uh I think that was laid out in the beginning of my presentation, >> right?
>> You guys got to, you know, go back to the presentation. I mean, I I understand you popping up here and there, but you know, digest the full uh context of the information and then I'll be back. I'm going to come back and do a part two.
Yeah, brother Chuck.
>> No, all I was saying though, if we if we don't find it in an outside contemporary source, right, wouldn't that make it an endonym if you only find it within their own culture in their language?
>> If we find it as an ethnm, >> no, a endonyming name, right? If you only find it in their own language, in their culture, and you don't find the name in a contemporary source outside of their culture, wouldn't that make it a selfidentifying name?
>> Hey, well, that is exactly what San Giga is >> and I pointed that out multiple times in the presentation.
>> Oh, cuz earlier it sound like you were saying it was an outside name.
>> No, what I was saying was that >> Okay, then that's then that's my fault if that's what I heard then. My bad. My bad.
>> No problem. the Aadia.
>> It sound like y'all had said an exon.
And isn't an exonym like an outside name if I'm not messing that word up?
>> I think that I'm looking at ethnm.
>> Yeah, a eonym is a name that other people call you.
>> I think when I asked him earlier, that's the word he used though. So I think that's maybe where I got messed up cuz he used the wrong word >> in regards to the black in regards to the black the blackhead. No, because I literally I went back on YouTube and watched when I asked you to make sure I heard the right word and you did use the word that referred to it being an outside name and maybe you didn't mean to. And that's where we getting the the back and forth.
>> All right. All right, y'all. We got that straight. Let me get uh Blackmail. Let me get Black Mill want to um ask Chuck a question. Black Mill.
>> Yeah, I wanted to ask Chuck a question.
Um there's a depiction of a solar system, the Sumerian solar system, and it shows like the sun. I just wanted to know if it's a valid solar system and it's from 4,000 years BC according to the information. I just wanted to know if that's valid.
>> Um, is that the VA uh force? I can't remember the name of it. Is it like um you have uh because there are many depictions of the sun. Is this >> heliocentric? It's heliocentric.
Is this the one like Is this the one that look like it's got planets around it?
>> Right.
>> Is that the one?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That um that Yeah. That that's um that's not a Sumerian depiction. That's an Akati in the picture.
And um that particular one is um VA 431 I think it is something like that. And um it has it's not making reference to a solar system at all. Matter of fact, the inscription around it doesn't even um make a reference to it. I'm trying to pull it because I did a PowerPoint presentation on that as well.
>> What you would consider that, >> huh?
What you would consider as I'm sorry, what you say is not a solar system it. What do you consider it as, Chuck?
Oh. Um, that particular one was uh >> an individual that's being um brought before a king or a god and um he's it was it's an agricultural uh depiction.
>> In fact, they even have the plow there and is uh he's being given the plow and um the writing on the side of it talks about your servant. I forget the name of the person, but that's all is written on the tablet is uh uh your servant. I can't remember the name and I'm trying to pull it up, but um give me a second.
Um keep going. I'm gonna try to pull that up.
>> Did you did you show that in the presentation? Because I came in late7.
>> No, no, I didn't show it in. Hold on.
Let me find it. Okay.
>> Hey. Hey Harvin, real quick for your new Wabian point, right? Nabian point, right? Uh, basically it's just Nepal. I think Nwabian is just an Arabic word for >> No, no, no, no, no. It's not >> Arabic. Okay. I thought it was Arabic, but um >> You know why you thought that?
>> Huh?
>> You know why you thought that?
>> Why is that?
>> Cuz all them people claimed that for years.
>> That's what I I mean that's what I thought it was Arabic. But check it out.
>> So that means check it out.
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. You know what Al Drezy said?
>> That's that's who Yeah, that's what I'm >> He said that the Nuba told him that >> the Nuba.
>> So we're talking about like So listen because normally this area is not really populated too much. You know what I'm saying? Between the third, fourth cataracts, Buhan area, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot of forks down there.
They to protect the the hessi coming in.
But listen, so what you're really saying and I'm afraid like this for a p for a reason. You're saying that the Harka and Pi were nwapians.
You feel me? They wapians. I'm Look.
Okay, I feel you, brother.
>> Harin, are you a former Newian?
>> I am a Nwapian.
>> Oh, you newian.
>> Ask ask Chuck. I mean, ask uh Ank and ask Chuck.
>> You know, you can't ask me. You are newian.
>> I don't know you. told you that popped up.
>> I didn't know that.
>> I thought I know that.
>> Oh, he a know that.
>> No, no, no. I thought aunt told you.
>> No, no. I'm not talking. I don't know him. That's what >> Hold on. Y got all kinds of trolls all over the world looking for me.
Shetta know I'm not a troll.
>> Yo, hold on. You been a troll. You been a Whenever I HAD MY MY YOU THINK I'M A TROLL?
N you are n you not no troll hoen but this WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU BROTHER you are new about >> what I a know that bro for real I ain't know that >> call and ask him >> oh okay okay >> no I'm differentian don't like some napian brothers don't like me either >> listen I don't have to call if you said that's what you are then that's what it is, you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah, man. All right. Gotcha. So, what do you and Chuck agree on? I'm quite sure.
>> We agreed. Me and Chuck just agreed that Sumerian writing don't predate Egypt.
>> Well, you and Chuck come out of the same school of thought, brother.
>> I know he do. And like I said before, he acted like he didn't know about this source he knew three years ago.
>> But Chuck was Chuck is one of the um the top soldiers though up there though. I don't care what he is, >> you know.
>> I don't care what he is.
>> Wow. Okay, man. So, now I know you you KNOW WHAT WHAT'S CRAZY is that I've been trying to get a new wabian for a long time.
>> Break down this science and you never came out, bro.
>> That's cuz I was going through college.
See, I'm not I'm not a regular.
>> Yo, you you ever heard of this dude? Um, hey Chuck, what's the brother name I was going to interview the other day, last week?
>> You talking about Dwah? Yeah, he like me. He don't like me either.
>> Dwis, you familiar with Dwa? Is that Is that um Dr. York's son? Some people say yes, some people say no.
>> I don't know.
>> I'm from Chicago land area 144.
>> Okay.
>> If it I'm not a follower of nobody. If I can't find it somewhere, Chucky have a Chucky Garfield, all these other guys had a point. Nwapian should be able to show their proof. I don't know why they haven't showed this years ago. The Nwapians knew about it. I tried to get it to them.
>> So, address me as hardw agree with me.
>> You from Robin?
No, I'm >> ask a question about the uh >> variety. You dig what I'm talking about making the claim that me, >> right? Is >> hold on. Wait a minute. Be quiet one second. You can't finish what I'm asking before I ask.
>> All right. So are you claiming that mecheter is a fully uh written out language uh like uh like hydratic or is >> or like >> are you trying to >> one second are you trying to say medueter is a fully written out language right and is not pictographic and then symbolic like proto ununiform >> sir Sir Medetta has unilaterals, bilaterals, trilaterals, idiograms, weak consonants.
I mean, I don't even understand the question for real, bro.
>> Right. I know you don't because you you're making you're cuz you're jumping something. The meta is >> King J. Did I make something wrong?
>> The same form as proto ununiform.
>> No, cuz I were confused too. What I'm saying is you can read both, but this what YOU DO.
>> IT'S NOT LIKE THE WORD. It's not like that that what you do.
>> Pull up the kids tablet and read it to the letter.
>> This what you do. Pull up the kiss tablet that's writing and read it to us.
>> It's it's uniform. This what you do.
Pull up the kiss tablet and read it to us. Show us that it's not just an account. You can't No, but hold on.
>> I'VE READ IT ON HERE BEFORE. HOLD ON, COSMON. Let me bring in the clarity because Chuck said it earlier when he asked about um in uniform. He said it was used for accounting.
>> It was the kiss tablets are used for the exact the same exact reason.
Don't do not save him. Do not save him.
Do not pull UP THE pull up.
>> One mic. One mic, y'all. One mic.
>> One mic, y'all. One one second. Y'all keep trying to dance. away from this fact that meet IS PICTOGRAPHIC JUST LIKE THE PROTOUNIFORM.
It's not a written out full language like hydratic is or like ununiform is.
>> So we can't read the we can't read the TEXT >> CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A true chronology.
>> So you saying we can't read the pyramid text? Listen this what you do cosmon pull up the KISS TABLET.
>> NOBODY IS saying you >> Hold on. It's my turn. I'll let you talk, bro.
>> Pull up the kiss tablet, share your screen, and read it to everybody.
>> RIGHT. OKAY. TO TELL YOU, HOLD ON. GUESS WHAT? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BE QUIET. I listen to you.
>> You're going to have to use the same process to to uh convert pro.
>> Brother, I've read this. I've read right here on HOUSE OF >> YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THROUGH METAL NET.
>> I've read it on HOUSE OF COUNT. WATCH THIS.
>> I've read it right here.
>> HOLD ON. WATCH THIS BECAUSE LET'S JUST STOP THE DUMB STUFF. WE GOT SUPERCOMPUTERS IN OUR POCKET. ALL WE got to ask is, is Metal Neter pictographic?
>> We never said it was.
>> SIMPLE. IT'S A SIMPLE HADUKAN ON YOUR FACE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Watch this. Is meu net a picto.
>> Hey Sean, this a this is slow >> writing system.
>> Hey yo, let me ask you. Um, let me ask you, uh, >> Harwin Harwin.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Cuz we've been having these discussions and debates for a while as far as Sumer and Kim.
>> Yeah.
>> Which one you say is over >> Kim?
That's why when I first came on here, the first thing I addressed was the writing, didn't I? KingJ.
>> Yes. Yes. I heard you. I heard you.
>> That's why.
>> Yeah. So, so yeah. So, you're saying that kinetic writing is older than Sumer?
what we have right now currently today.
>> Uh-huh.
>> Tomb U.J. And I'm not the first person to come on here and say this. Tomb U.J is the oldest true writing that we've discovered in the world.
>> You know that's not what Zion Lex teaching.
>> I know. I saw Zion conversation with Jabari and all that. That's cool. But the Kiss tablet is >> Shaka too. Don't forget.
>> And Shaka too. The Kiss tablet and Shaka mentioned to UJ too. So let's give him credit. Um the Kiss tablet is accounting system. Chucky's right about that.
Yeah.
Oh, okay. Okay. Yo, Chuck, you there, Chuck?
>> Yeah. Go.
>> Chuck is in research mode right now, boy. He >> No. No. No. I'm trying to listen and find out. Okay. What's being said? Cuz I've been getting this.
>> What was said was clear.
>> Huh?
>> What was said was clear.
>> What was said? Yo, Har when can me and you get an interview in, brother. I need to get an interview with you now. And I know you look back. I I've been staying a little late. I'm I'm running late.
I'mma send you a my email and you know I SENT YOU MY NUMBER. SIR, >> I don't think I got it. Dr. Reggie, whenever you want to go in, you can stop it on your own and you can give some commentary and just let it keep going.
>> Uh, you heard?
>> Yeah. How do I stop it? Oh, I can stop it. I I see >> you STOP IT BY JUST pressing pause on the um screen.
>> Okay. Well, I just want to make >> I want to make a quick comment. Um >> go ahead.
>> Cosmon is uh trying to compare Samrian uh with an ancient Egyptian. Uh Harwin is correct. The abdu uh uh uh labels by Dun Dwire uh pushes back ancient Egyptian writing.
um for uh Cosman to say that ancient Egyptian writing is not complete and it's only uh uh it's it's only uh basically graphic and uh but not phonetic is uh then he doesn't understand shapoleon um so he doesn't understand shapoleon decipherment method right um and so uh we'll uh uh stop right there cos man is just doing what he does and to a audience that uh but he's not making any uh sources. So he asks a he does this thing where he uh asks chat GPT a how can I say a not good uh prompt right to get only what he wants instead of dealing with what it phonetic and asking about the apt to labels. So >> I want to give I want to put you up I want to put you up on something to let you know so you won't be blindsided. Um, Black Sage aka Yara >> and Easy Bands are putting together a presentation >> to come at you.
>> Okay.
>> And and as long as they doing it with information, that's what they said. They they dealing with information, not no slander, nothing else. So they coming, they going they putting not only you, Reggie, but they said they coming after me, too. So it's all good. I let them know I'm I'm good with that. [ __ ] Y'all could even come on the H. I'm good with it. I love that. You know what I'm saying? So they coming after you and they coming after me at the same time.
So I just want to let you know be give you heads up. You know, it ain't nothing to go crazy about cuz never let them see you sweat. Just come back with some information and and we're gonna look at the information and and let the people see that this is pseudo.
So it's all good.
after they uh based on what have they told you what they're coming after?
>> No, they ain't going to let me know that. Um I guess it's the information that you've been coming with. So I don't know.
>> Okay.
>> I don't know. So >> information is fair. U you know my critique on Easy Bands is that uh Easy Bands is what you call a typical Christian. He happens to be from Africa but when he uses the Bible he doesn't contrast it to what happens in Africa right and so his knowledge of uh colonialization slavery even in his own country >> and we expect someone like easy bands who say he's African to show that he's African but he's only showing that he's a North American convert and uh Easy Bands uh called me the devil Um, I guess I am to a lot of Christians and Hebrews and Hebrew Israelites. I guess >> when they call me the devil, remember they used to always say that. And what I what did I do? Let me tell you what I did. I welcomed it and now they stop calling it to me. See, when they see that words can hurt you and when they see that, oh man, he called me the devil. I said, yeah, I am the devil. I'm God and the devil according to your Bible. You have a good and you have a bad, you know, you have a higher self and you have a lower self. So, yes, I'm I am the devil. I am God.
>> God, God in the devil, >> right? And you and your and and you made a great statement and you're absolutely correct.
>> So, when they see that that don't hurt you, they'll stop saying it. They don't even say it no more. Oh, that [ __ ] HE SAW SATAN CUZ I I I accepted it. Come on. I'm saw Satan. Yeah, that's right.
Watch your back, [ __ ] >> It's fine. But, uh, Easy Bands is the worst. Uh, so he goes on.
>> I think Easy Man is a good brother. He just miss >> He just confused. But all in all, I I think he is a good brother.
>> Uh, see, that's why you say no, Reggie.
What makes you say no?
>> He's not.
>> Okay. Because of the contradictions, right? So he goes on on the last show that you was talking to him about slavery, >> right?
>> He says people get this wrong, but this is one of the most powerful things of the Bible. You know, love your enemy as uh love your enemy as your as your neighbor or something like that, right?
>> Okay. So that's not what he does.
Uh that that what he does is he attacks uh people who uh don't believe in his Christianity. He's a missionary. He's a convert and a missionary because he doesn't practice those things because at the end of that rant uh he started threatening me and and all of that stuff. None of this stuff. They don't believe s what they say. It's only for uh vocals, right? But they don't believe any of the stuff that they say. You see Yara, he doesn't even really even believe in the Bible anymore, right?
It's not the word of God.
So what is Yara arguing about if the book that he has been talking about for years all of a sudden he does no longer believe in it. So then we have to just take whatever y >> he's evolutionist now. He believe in evolution and all that.
>> We have to we right >> and that's a good thing though.
Shouldn't you be a little proud of him for that? At least trying to make a change and step up. I'm proud of him.
>> Well, he lost the argument. See, the problem is when you lose the argument and then you turn around and then you kind of blend in like you're our friend, but then you're really saying something else. So this whole conversation that we had the other day on uh uh on Genesis was a disaster, right? First he don't believe in it. He don't believe in the book, right? No longer. So then he turns around and and then uh he wants to talk about light, right? Um he wants to and then it's the sun. Now I agree with him that the light that uh in the Bible that God created was was on or something like that was not the sun. I don't agree that that is the sun. But the fact of the matter is uh um in the in the Genesis uh um their God got it wrong that God got that God created the heavens and the earths right and the heavens was void.
He later put in the stars, right? And um and so but then he says that we're stardust.
>> I consider myself, Reggie, I consider myself to be the true one and only so far Bible teacher. And I say the one and only is because I'm not just I don't just beat down the Bible. What I do is speak the truth about the Bible, the good and the bad. See, Israelites like brother Yra and he's up on the screen.
Shout out to my brother Yara. We go in, we bang. But that's my brother. You know what I'm saying? As long as we keeping it like this information. That's why I was just speaking to Captain Tori not too long ago. Me and him was just talking going in and he was laughing.
So, uh, as long as we keeping it on the information and we don't cross the line, that's why you never heard me talk about his family. He never talk about my family. I'm talking about Black Sage.
WE'LL GO IN ON EACH OTHER, but we ain't crossing the line with each other. And so, >> but he'll call you an idiot.
>> Yeah, that's cool. I I could take that.
You know what I'm saying? I call him a fool. So, he'll call me an idiot. We'll call each other little names going back and forth.
>> But when the show is over, he'll hit me up. I might hit him up. Yo, yo, that was a crazy stream, right, brother? And we go in and we talk about it. You know what I'm saying? But, but what I'm saying is I'm the real Bible teacher over Yara over to Zoryak because they try to make God a good guy. See, I show where he's evil and he's good at the same time. Where they will only try to show you and CLEAN UP GOD'S MESS. YOU can't clean this mess up.
>> Well, okay. So, on the Yara side, since he's here, uh even though I don't agree with Yara, he he makes more sense. I don't know why he's teaming up with uh Easy Bands. So, because uh I don't even see where him and Easy Bands actually agree, right? Uh Yara tries to look at things sometimes unbiasedly, right? Uh not perfectly. Nobody's perfect, but Easy Bands is just a Bible dumper, right?
He's looking he's looking at the Bible words literally.
And when he applies it to Africa, you know, whatever happened in slavery, it's it's it's it seems to be for for him the greater good that Christianity came. uh and he doesn't seem to know too much about we expect easy BS to talk about his people in Zambia to make it make sense but what we find out is that he was just Christianized by his family who happened to be Africa African and then he reads the Bible uh literally right and Yara is a is much more scholarly than uh Easy Bands and then Easy Bands did something crazy uh not crazy but he he went out of his way to attack Islam right um why why because of brother law I I don't know why he went out of the way to attack Islam to say say that his version of Christianity is better but Christianity created uh in his book the uh the the in his book the laws of slavery now we know from uh other cultures uh in um the the near east uh we know of of the different laws uh Hammurabi codes and others that set forth some of the laws that were becoming the Bible but uh this is that culture in that region right but the Bible sets forth that God the difference is that with the other codes we know it's Hammurabi codes but with the Bible it's God's words >> and that's and that seems to be the problem. But I'll stop because yra's here. But I don't know why >> got and and shout out to my man Moses.
You see Moses, I still throw up your comment even though you bang on me. That don't bother me, man. Y'all should y'all know Setta by now. That don't bother me.
I throw your comment up EVEN WHEN YOU COMING AT ME. I THROW IT UP cuz I know you my brother, man. You my brother regardless of all of that. But go ahead, brother. Y go ahead, man.
>> Yeah. What's up, y'all?
>> Yeah. Peace everybody, man. Yeah. Peace.
Uh, peace, brother Reggie. Uh, peace to you, son. Peace to the HK, man.
Everybody that's listening and shout out to my man Easy Bands. Easy Bans is definitely a good brother, man. Um, >> I don't think I I rock with people.
Yeah, I I get there's some tension there. Um, but I understand that, you know, everybody, you know, has their own their own lane that they rocking. and I think he's sincere about what he believes and what he he pushes and so I can respect that, you know. Um, so there's a lot that I agree with brother Easy Bands and there's some things I don't agree with and he doesn't agree with me, but we don't have to agree to be brothers or uh or or lock arms. Um, but I do like talking to Aquest. I do like talking to you, Dr. Reggie, because Brother Reggie, >> there is a brother Reggie. Listen, I listen I I understand how this community is. Um there's just certain thing when I grew up Reggie, let me say this, brother Reggie. When I as is when I was coming up, there were people who had been in our community who were educators that did not have quote unquote a doctorate degree, but we referred to them as doctors because of the knowledge that they have grasped and accumulated over the course of their life. Uh they could sit down with the best of the best of the best. So I understand your your your apprehension with that because of the the ignorant people in this community.
So I understand that. So when I say Dr. Richie, I say it with the utmost respect not to give people some type of uh you know that saying you're trying to portray something that you're not.
That's not it. I know that's been said, but there there's something that goes with that when you when you >> But I'm going to take you off. I just don't want you to particular I don't want you to butter up the turkey. What you're trying to do is you butter up the turkey.
You you are partnering you're partnering you're partnering see there's there's people in this see the difference between you and me yra is that you have similar skills in law >> right uh you know how to write >> uh and you know how to research right um and so so so so there's a difference you're teaming up with some you team up unfortunately with people who are not exactly like you right. So people >> No, Reggie Reggie, Reggie, that's where you wrong at. They both hold fast to the King James Bible. So even if even if Easy Bands is a Christian, Yah is also a Christian. All they do is just use a different term. He say, "I'm I'm an Israelite." They are Christians, brother. And so that's the that's the bondage that they got. Yeah. with each other because they believe in whether you call them Jesus God or whether you call him Yahweh, THEY ALL BELIEVE IN THE SAME THING. Just different way of of how they breaks it down and go is more of a Bible scholar.
>> What don't do that man don't do that brother is not Apostle Apostle is not a Bible scholar, right? That like you're not gonna get them to write anything. You're not going to get them. You're And that's a problem with the community. So, uh, I'll let Yara say we have to say, uh, because you don't have to put butt on the turkey because you're teaming up with a a super convert.
>> N Yra is a more um equipped in the Bible than a lot of them. He is. I agree.
>> So, I'll let Yra continue.
>> So, yeah. Real quick, let me know if I sound underwater.
>> N you're good. You good >> quick.
>> Okay. cuz I to me I sound underwater.
Maybe it's me. Uh, peace to you, Santan.
>> Um, >> yeah. I like like when it when it when it when it comes when it comes to when it comes to the biblical text, I look at it as asic literature. I look at it as wisdom text. It's just you see most, you know, you can find wisdom text in in in all cultures, right?
um to a degree, but I see it uh more personally personal with me um based on his principles. I don't necessarily have to live within the dogma of the Bible. I and I don't do that, right? It doesn't matter to me whether or not I debate or argue with you whether or not Jesus walked on water. That's inconsequential to me. But there's a principle in the story that I can glean from that actually works right in real life. So that's how I that's how I I I I view the Bible. I don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, right? So it's it's so a lot of times, you know, I don't I don't have a lot of Hebrew Israelite >> because I make it that way. Of >> course you will. You're supposed >> The reason I disagree with you is is because >> you got to it's like taking a X slack and you got to get rid of all that [ __ ] that's inside of you, brother. So, you got to throw the baby out with the goddamn bath water and start all over again, man.
>> You got to start all over again. Throw that goddamn baby out with the bath water and start a new >> because if you keep the baby in there, then all the baby going to do is is put another goddamn web around the same thing. So, you got to get THE BABY OUT.
YOU GOT TO GET THAT OUT OF THERE. But see >> Barman and a lot of uh scholars Richard Carrier and all of these a lot a number of them right uh what they did is uh they they did part what you said s but it took them years and years of studying against their belief right for them to walk away sorry yo >> that's all good but I but even with Richard Carrier but even with Richard Carrier Richard Carrier doesn't speak against the existence of Jesus in absolutes, right?
He sort of uses this uh theoretical Beijian equation and says, "Oh, well, there's a you know, you know, a 33% chance." Well, what does that mean? Right? Um so, uh and and and Bartman doesn't speak against the existence of a person named Jesus. He he he actually agrees that there was a historical person named Jesus. Now, if you ask him does he believe Jesus actually walked on water, he'll say no.
If you ask me the same question, I'll say no as well. I don't I don't need to believe that. Right? Because I understand that there's a cultural and historical context and a political context that goes into that. And I know a lot of people laugh when I say that when I get up here and say, "Oh, y'all don't believe in the Bible." No, I believe in the Bible, but I believe in what it is, right? And it is principles on water >> to live by.
>> I need some new cuts. You don't believe that Jesus walked on water?
>> No.
>> No.
>> Oh, man. I don't need to. No. No. Why would wrong? Is the Bible wrong when it say that?
>> No. It's It's not wrong when it says that because it's trying to teach it's trying to teach a principle, right? And what's the principle?
>> It's trying to teach a cultural and historical principle as well as one to live by. So when you I tried to explain this before >> incorrect what they what they it's not incorrect is what they showing you yra when they talk about Jesus walking on water. They trying to show you the POWER OF JESUS. THAT'S what they showing you.
The >> Well, actually it's not. That's not the purpose. That's not the purpose of the story, man.
>> No, it's not. And don't make me prove you wrong. The purpose of the story, the purpose, No, it's not. The purpose of the story is about the faith and how the faith of Peter who stepped out on the water. That's the purpose and how he viewed his surroundings.
>> Oh wow, man.
>> That's the purpose of the story. You can't start with a part of it. I keep telling you, son, that you got to learn how to read in context. The power of the the purpose of the story is how Peter dealt with it. If Jesus walked on water, right? If you if they if Christians say, "Well, most people say Jesus is God or he has this power to walk on water."
What what what what good does that do you?
>> He's a supernatural he's a supernatural human. What good does that do you? You and I can't walk on water. But why does the story continue to tell you about Peter as Peter tried to do what Christ did? He began to sink because he was distracted about around about the things around him. That's the principle context of the story that you're supposed to grasp.
>> Not that Jesus walked on water >> because if you take that >> that's not what see that see you're you're uh being intellectual, right?
You're going uh and you have more tools.
The average believer sees it as a miracle. And that's the difference. So s's talking about the people that see it as a miracle who don't have the uh intellectual progress. Uh and that's my problem with you yra teaming up with uh someone who has not proven uh not not not don't do this. So when uh Sanetta asks uh uh uh do easy bands about slavery, it's all literal, right? it it seems to be justified right he has hermeneutics and excuses for it. Um so what you do yara is uh you could talk to a scholar right uh many people on this platform right can't talk to scholars sanetta could talk to scholars because he can ask uh in questions a lot of people come from just belief and um and and and no have no real reading outside of the Bible that's not you so I'm surprised that you would team up see I found lately that sometimes you you bring you bring baggage you bring along baggage that's going to hurt you because whatever once you team up with someone like that he could do his own presentation right your presentation is different and then it gets muddied in the water because we >> nie we got to let him team up we can't do that because then >> do it look I'm trying to tell you they gonna make it look like you scared now or we scared that they teaming up >> well I look forward forward to Yara and Easy Bands going in. I want to see it. I need some new cuts, brother.
>> No, no, no, no. I'm just saying >> personally, personally to Yara, intellectually later, it will hurt you, right? But you can do it. You should do it. But if but you have enough strength to go out on your own and make a critique of me rather than bringing around some belief stuff that you don't necessarily believe in, right? You don't need to team up with someone like that.
You can, but you can. I'm just saying, >> man. Let them team up, brother. Because they both gonna contradict themselves, man. That's what I'm saying.
>> So, I'm saying, man, >> see, here's here's the here's the here's the thing, right? I There is a place that we all exist from that comes from a place of belief or faith.
Like none of us do what what we do or accomplish what anything we've accomplished in life without faith. And that is simply first believing that you can achieve something before you even achieved it. Whether it's academic prowess or accolades, whether it's you, whether it's you, Sanetta building one of the uh uh most uh uh informational and most famous uh uh uh brands, right, in social media, in news, right? You had to first have that thought and belief that you can accomplish that before you achieve to do it, right? Um and I'm sure I don't know everything about Sante, but I'm sure he's he's he's experienced that as well. So there is always a place for faith and belief. So we don't have to again throw the baby out with the bathwater because even scientific observations first has to start with some form of belief. Right? Even if it's to dispel whether or not something's true or false, I first have to uh begin to test it, right? I agree. I have to uh and and why do we have and why do we test things, right? Even in science, we test it because we want to know, right, whether or not our belief in something is either confirmed, can be confirmed or denied. And that's perfectly okay. But somehow we've gotten caught in this web where that belief and faith is somehow detrimental to a people or detrimental to us when it comes to the realms of academia. Now, I understand there's a schism when you talk about faith and scholarship and and what is, but now they're even telling us now that >> we can't even really trust peer what uh uh peer review, right? To a degree because it does not come without it does not come with uh without certain biases and schisms, right? And I was just reading I'm I'm going to share this one day and I'll land. I'm going to share this one day. We talk about the Epstein files, right? That's big in the news.
But uh Jazelle uh Maxwell, her father was Robert Maxwell. And Robert Maxwell was one of the heads of a large corporation or a large business that funded scientific, biological, and uh literary peer reviews. So these are people that we know who are who who are who are scoundrels. They're unscrupulous. They're liars. They're pedos. They have a history of demented thinking, but they're doing they're peerreviewing all our work and we're relying on the information that they're giving us. So we need to if anything else we need to start our own base of knowledge and understanding. This is why I respect uh Dr. Reggie and this is why I respect when he when he's dealing uh uh oftentimes with SP smash Rockwell because I've seen him say, "Look, even though they use the TLA when they're talking about uh their understanding of of ancient Kimid and things that they talk about, but they all go into it and say, "Nope, I see what they're the scholars are saying, but it's not right." Why? Because we're doing our own work. And this is the thing that I'm saying about religion and studies and even thing with that. So, but y'all do that based on the faith and belief that there's something better.
You were just talking about the Rosetta Stone and Champ I mean or Chapoleon's work, right? That's questions about his work. Even if he's even the one that actually deciphered it and from my understanding, he took he got it from he got it from his assistant who was an African-American or an African.
Yeah, but my point is yra, do you believe, hold up, Dr. Red Yra, do you believe that a man lived in a fish for three days?
>> No, >> hold. I asked Yra.
>> Oh, >> no.
He don't believe in Jonah.
>> Trying to tell us.
No, I I see before if you do the cultural context of the study of the time.
>> No, you're breaking up. You're right.
You're breaking up.
>> Yeah, right. You're breaking up.
>> Yeah. He need to go out. Hey, son. Did you get my email?
No, but um you should be in the bed crying right now or under the bed crying.
>> Who?
>> You.
>> Why? Oh, I know.
>> YEAH, Y'ALL. Y'ALL SUCKERS are down three and one. I ain't >> lie. But it's all right, >> man. If both of you seen ME ROOTING LAST NIGHT, >> I know you were.
>> Oh, brother. Did you see your boy Did you see YOUR BOY GET CRUSHED ON?
>> YEAH, DUDE.
>> OH my god. THAT WAS MEAN RIGHT THERE.
>> YEAH. came through the middle and HE TRIED TO BLOCK IT AND HE WENT HIGHER THAN HIM AND THREW IT in his mug.
>> That was hard. That was hard.
>> Oh my god. I I SAID, "OH MY GOD, LOOK AT THIS.
>> CAN WE get back?
>> HOLD ON, REGGIE. HOLD ON. This is This is deep right here, man. Brother, didn't I tell you what happened to the Raptures last year? Even though they was the number one seed, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.
INDIANA KNOCKED THEM OUT.
I KNOW >> INDIANA KNOCKED THEM OUT and now Detroit is the top seed and LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THE EIGHTH SEED IS GETTING READY TO KNOCK THEM OUT IN >> CENTER.
Only reason we getting beat listen only reason we getting beat up because of the general matter of the general matter Langden didn't make no move trade time.
He didn't do nothing and the whole city was pissing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Cry cry to Detroit later brother. We got to get back to Reggie right now. Well, hey, let me say this. I got a scientific uh I mean I got something to do with science that I'm going at uncle with. Um get you got to read that email uh that I sent you, sir.
I sent you my picture and I didn't send you no information though. I'm gonna do a show on that that everything they talking about. Okay.
>> All right. Gotcha. Yi, DO YOU WANT ME TO GET BACK TO THE VIDEO?
>> YEAH. SO, um yeah. So, Shah Ash a is here. Uh but I >> but I definitely Okay, so here's here's what I want to happen. Uh I want to go after uh to the part where uh me and Ank is speaking.
>> Okay, >> I I want to go to that part of the video and um and then we can uh we can we can actually start there because what what you're gonna find I'mma tell you the story.
Cedric uh on Ank team put up an article to debunk African science. Cedric did not read the article.
Uh the article is critiquing the methods of African science but saying that there was African science.
So, uh, Ank now what he does is, and y'all, you friends of Ank Kyle and the rest of you, you can call Ank, right?
But don't let him come into the show to interrupt the show because it's going to turn into a circus, right? It's going to be off topic and all that other stuff.
So what happens now is uh Ank sees the mistake that Cedric did, but he has to cloud it for the audience.
So on the last show, which we're going to show now, Ank is going to cover up for his friend, right? Uh because his friend made a bad mistake putting up an article that counters what Ank said.
>> Yeah, you killed that. You killed him on that. So I want to So then what Ankh does what Ank What Ank and Cedric does is here's a strategy that they use. They are going to read it for us. I kicked Cedric off the show because I said, "Cedric, let the people read the article to themselves. you don't have to go on and uh misread the art article because you're cherrypicking and you're making it incoherent and you're missing the big points. So if the article made a big point, you're going to gloss over it. So today we want to listen to their strategy. So what it is with me right now is that um I've known Ank for u 15 years and we have been friends but I have to draw the line on my friendship and what he is doing. when we have asked an for any peerre that there's protoscience or pre-science right he has not provided any right now not and and he has not provided any right uh he has misinterpreted science so anytime that we say science he's going to say well what they mean is African medicine what they mean but when we're looking at a article We're looking at the author's view. So, a comes on and going to tell the article writer what science means. So, we're going to go over the and then he does nasty tricks.
While I'm talking, he's uh playing with garbage or chewing or making noises. We can't we could continue to go through this for entertainment but if we actually going to do the work we can't allow these type of uh strategies. So do you have the video clip s you find a video clip of it when we come on and talk about the article son's doing his thing. Um >> I said he passed the article.
>> Yeah he's uh he's talking about basketball. There's my dude.
>> All right. All right. Here we go. Let's go, Reggie. Cuz you got to leave that.
>> And uh uh but you you said that you haven't um >> you're not showing it.
>> You haven't done any comparison.
>> Yes, I am.
>> No, but since you bring it up, I am going to definitely do that um tonight, but I don't go back to my study.
>> Right. Both of them are depicting a battle.
>> No, I don't understand.
>> Yes. And um and then Yes. And so they're styled in the same way. And so, uh, there's always been some arguments about some communication between the, uh, the, uh, the two groups of people, um, the two the two two civilizations, right? And so, even though they're isolated, at some point they do have, uh, uh, some some things in common, specifically when when you're looking at that uh, that Stella. And so, Fast talked about conversation. Not this.
That's just me talking to um >> if you can fast forward it to >> That's my source, ladies and gentlemen.
You heard what I said. Reggie know the name of the show. It's on uh uh Black News 102. I'll play it again for y'all.
You playing with the wrong one, bro. And what did you say about Hendrickx? And what did you say about uh uh uh who else? Dear, what are you saying? What do What do you think you saying? What do you really think you saying?
>> I I I don't It's not that. It's not what I think that I'm saying, right? I'm telling you. So, it's your source. I'll go go and find it up, but you bring it you bring you bring it up since it's your source, but I'm going to go and find the source. And the reason why I got him off the platform is because in the abstract, right, it mentioned African science more than seven times.
that all that all that article did was create was critique the method of African science, but it didn't say that there was no African science. So, I don't need to I don't need to go back and forth with him when he didn't seem to have read the whole uh the whole article himself. I don't have to do that that way. Like like why do I have to entertain somebody who didn't even read the article correctly, right? is presenting a bad premise. Okay. So now about about Cedric, I'll never take him serious. He has a he out of his mouth.
He says he has immune deficiency disease. So why is he handling parrots on the screen kissing him?
>> Why is he doing that? That's like you got >> Yeah, that's what you you thought that that mean you lost Reggie. You personal attacks. That mean you That mean you ran out.
>> NO, HE'S BEEN PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME.
>> NO, you ran out the information. You talking to me though, Reggie. You talking >> Reggie, you talking to me and you made a wild statement.
>> NO, HE'S YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> But you wasting time, Reggie.
>> You wasting time. Talk about the information. Talk about the author that you can't read. I'mma say this again, Reggie. Reggie, you can't. Reggie, you can't Reggie, you can't read. Reggie, >> I'm telling our audience right now, Reggie can't read. Now any >> Okay, stop right here. Okay, I am um pretty professional on what I do on this um platform and I think through the course of the years we found out who can read and who can research and who can do PowerPoint presentations, right? I think that we have found that out. uh for him to come on and say to a degreed person who has a whole family in degrees who has proven to be with the elders, I can't read. So, okay, let's just say he said that. Let's just continue. Let's just say that um that he just said that, right? But that's his strategy. So, where we are going, let's read the um the rest of the article. So, so I put up the um the video back up.
>> So, I thought So, I thought you was just going to let the video play. Yo, >> okay. You don't have to interrupt.
>> Well, why not just let the video play, >> right?
>> Why you got to do that?
>> Put some money on that.
>> Reggie can't read. Reggie thinks because he sees the word African science that literally means modern science.
>> I didn't say modern science.
>> We're used to your game.
>> All right. I want to stop that for a minute right there, bro. Yo, Uncle, I got you. I got you, um, I'mma give you the video. You can do your own thing on on on Sunday of the Studios. But Reggie, here's some words of advice. You see what Ank just did to you. And this is not just, I'm talking about anybody.
When they say something like that, Reggie, you can't read. Why do you feed into that when you know you can read, Reggie? Uncle did that to throw you off your path and you fed into it, Reggie.
>> No, it's fine.
>> No, hold on. Hold on. You went away from doing that and then you started arguing with him about You can read.
>> No, cuz we're gonna get into the point.
I'm showing you his I'm trying to teach you something right now, Reggie. That's all I'm saying. Don't get thrown off.
Keep doing what you do. You should have just smirked at it, laughed at it, and just kept it going. You don't need to stop. You don't need to to challenge him on that. Keep it going because that's what other people is going to do to throw you off your path to get you up out of here. That's all I'm saying. Let me finish.
>> You're right. Let's go.
>> You cut me off >> CUZ YOU LYING.
>> MARCH THE 20 March the 28th. I told you to your face on on the live. I said, "Brother, when I say science, it means modern science. I don't have to say ANYTHING ELSE. SCIENCE IS MODERN.
Science is a modern way of gaining wisdom, set of ideas, set of way of measurements, and a set way of thinking.
Bro, that has nothing to do with stone age. Uh uh uh uh the tuda age, nothing to do with that. They all have their own way of gaining knowledge. It's okay, Reggie. But science is a particular way of gaining knowledge. And you need to know the whole world BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN formulate science. So you tripping now that article called entitled African science, Reggie, me and you can do a show and we can read that [ __ ] line for line, bro. If that's what you want to do, cuz I'mma DO IT. I'MMA SHOW you that you really can't read, Reggie. You think you can you you choke your degrees, but you the one said chimpanzees. Yeah, I'm saying science. You're the one said the homeboy said hair science. You did.
>> I didn't say that. I'mma cut you off when you're lying on me. You did. You show me when I even talk about champ.
>> Okay. Okay. SO, >> YOU SHOW YOU SHOW THAT TO ME.
>> OKAY. I'mma show you.
>> You show that to the audience.
>> I got you. SO, BASICALLY, >> I can't read.
>> Reggie, hold on. HOLD ON. WAIT. I'M SHUT UP. I'M WROTE, >> YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN TALKING FOR FIVE MINUTES.
>> SO, BASICALLY, YOU SAYING YOU DID NOT say that it takes science to make tools.
YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT, REGGIE.
>> NO, I said >> got you ON TAPE. YOU SAID IT, REGGIE.
>> I Wait, wait. I said that >> you asked me a question. What came first? Technology or science?
>> I said >> technology.
>> No, that was later on. That was that that was three episodes in.
>> Wait, wait. I said technology, right?
You wait. It doesn't matter if you said I said it later on.
>> So you just say you changed it. So we >> No, I did not. I'm I'm not saying that I changed it. What I am saying is that it uh all we have to do is read the source material. Right. I didn't change it. You asked me a question. No, stop cutting me off.
>> Right. Stop cutting me off.
>> But you you ran PAST THE QUESTION.
>> NO. SEE, NO. NO. SEE, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE. SEE, you >> But you ran past the question. But you ran past >> You ain't going to be the bully on You ain't >> You ran past the I'm not trying to bully Reggie. YOU RAN PAST >> YEAH, YOU TRYING TO BULLY ME BECAUSE YOU WON'T LET ME TALK.
>> NO, go ahead, Reggie. I'll get back to the question again. Go ahead.
>> All right. So, uh, my position is you can't have modern science without science. It's not the same thing. Right.
Right. You can't have modern science without science. Right.
>> Hey yo yo yo everybody, hold up for a minute. Hold on. Hey, Professor Larry, I got you. And his team say convince Ready to to convince Reggie to make this happen, man. This got the I hear you, bro.
>> So, here is this paper, right? So, Ank says that I cannot read.
>> Yeah, you can't read. Hold on. What are you saying the paper say? Hold on. Reie, before you do that, >> you fell right into his hands. Everybody up here know you can read, Reggie.
Everybody.
>> No, no, no. I'm showing.
>> No, Reggie know what I mean. No, I don't know what you mean. I don't I don't know what you mean. Comprehension.
>> I don't I don't I uh I don't know what you mean. You can't tell me about my comprehension because you don't have a degree. So, you're not testing.
>> Oh, wait. Wait. So, you saying you got to have a degree? Do you have compreh?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, I definitely got But I definitely got two years of college over.
>> That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And that's Yeah, that's complete.
>> But Reggie, SO HOLD ON, REGGIE. WHAT?
WHAT do you think? WHERE'S THE ARTICLE?
>> WAIT, NO. I GET TO TALK.
>> I KNOW, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PAPER >> I GET TO TALK?
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PAPER'S SAYING, REGGIE?
>> I GET TO TALK.
>> Let him talk. Don't get scared now.
>> Here's Cedric's paper that he bought up.
>> Oh, man. Uh oh.
>> This paper was the first paper that they bought up that Cedric bought up where I muted his mic, right? because he was trying to say that this paper does not talk about African science that it's something else and the abstract right says >> why lie why lie why lie >> you got to let him go >> no like he told me WHEN YOU START >> OKAY I'mma let you respond brother just let Reggie go first let him get it out >> okay the >> you go next you going to respond >> the issue concerning the authentic method of western Western modern science has been a problem to scientists and philosophers of science alike. While some think inductive method is the hallmark of science, some believe science progresses better through the deductive method. The problem of the method of science is not peculiar to western science. in African science. One here classified into traditional and modernized African science. Some elements of the western method of science could also be found. However, the traditional African scientists now scientists given a conception of the world tend to give prominence to the metaphysial religious method of supernaturalism.
in addition to elevate to uh in addition to elements of the western meth method.
So they have both. Given this background, this paper contends that this method of African science is perhaps more problematic and would not allow African science to grow. At best such approach to science in spite of >> Can you read that again? Can you read that again?
>> No. I um Okay, if you want me to read again >> that just that sent just that. about this. Given this background, this paper contends that this method of African science is perhaps more problematic and would not allow African science to grow.
At best such approach to science in spite of whatever feat the African scientist may achieve would always always be esoterical, personal and devoid of any theorization without the elements of the objectivity and personalization and rigorous theorization. Traditional African science will still remain miles away from western science. Now the issue of this paper is >> no why you Reggie did >> wait I don't have to do Let Reggie finish, bro.
>> Okay. So, >> Yeah. So, when I was talking to uh Cedric, right, um Cedric says that this paper uh uh uh basically disputes African science. And I said to Cedric, the fact of the matter is that there is such a thing called African science.
There is a thing called African science and African science is used, right? All this paper is doing is critiquing methods of African science but not that African African science does not uh um African science does not exist. Then then he says traditional African science will still remain miles away from western science. That's his critique.
But the critique is not what Cedric was saying that there is no African science.
And I don't think that this article in entirely is is factual because African science.
>> Now you switching. Now you switching, baby. Come on, man. Everybody can.
>> No. Um, you're not gonna let the man finish, bro.
>> Not he's not. He's not. No. So the So the issue is is that there is African science and that's all I needed to get Cedric off the platform. Right. This paper is a critique on African science.
But again, if you look at ancient Egypt, if you look at, if you look at some of the other >> society, you always got some damn sound effects. You got discipline, you got no discipline, bro.
>> My fault. I can't >> I know you CAN'T CONTROL YOURSELF.
>> I KNOW.
>> It's a body movement.
>> Hey, Reggie. Hey, Reggie. I quit, man.
You won, bro.
>> Yeah. No, no. I >> I DON'T WANT YOU TO QUIT.
>> I'M glad you got me. You got me.
>> I am glad that it's all on you.
>> Undocumented >> right now. Now, so I got Cedric off based on he's saying that this paper shows that there's no African science.
This paper does not say it's not uh African science does not exist. All he is doing is critiquing African science.
Right. But the so I was asking him where is your sources this was one of his source right so I got good reading comprehension and since you read the paper now I hope you comprehend that this doesn't help the argument that there is no African science >> all right first of all in the abstract it clearly tells you that African science is not on the level of of of modern science and it says it never reach. Yeah. And it say will never reach that level and it's problematic because do you know what that author is really saying? He's really saying in African science the word science there is just the word for knowledge. He's really saying traditional African knowledge.
And if you read the whole paper it clearly cites how how they need to bring it into the cows and universities right and test all the stuff all the herbs all the medicines everything they doing. Bro that's what the paper's really saying.
That's why I say you can't read. Not that you can't pronounce the words, but your comprehension ain't there for me, bro. You don't want to.
>> Okay. So, um I don't think this article is going to be talking about testing herbs and stuff like that. And uh what Anka is doing is covering for Cedric bringing up an article that disputes their whole point that there is no African science.
The paper clearly says uh that there is African science and he breaks it up into traditional and modernized African sciences. Right? So there is modern African science, modernized and there's traditional. But no way in this article does it say that African science does not exist. This is their source. Why would you bring up a source that talks about African science, right? And then say that there is no African science even if they're critiquing the method of traditional African science. And we know now in the modernized world that African uh traditional sciences are being hybrid.
They're migrating, right? They still uh but they but but the fact of the matter is Ank's reading comprehension is very low on this subject. He's trying to manipulate the audience to now uh tell you that your eyes are lying.
Right? And then he's going to continue to say, right, that's not what they're talking about. But we don't need him to tell us what the article is talking about because we have the article, right? So, let's see if there's any more to this and then I'm going to pull up the article again and we're going to read it together, right? So, let's um So, um so his his argument, Cedric killed their whole argument because now we know African science is both traditional and modern, right? And it does exist.
>> Baby, bro, you just read that ass.
>> YOU'RE NOT WORTH DEBATING. PUT IN.
YOU'RE NOT WORTH DEBATING. HUH?
>> I'm I'm talking. No, no problem, BROTHER.
>> YOU'RE NOT WORTH DEBATING. IT'S JUST >> I TELL I tell I tell people all the time, don't listen to nothing Reggie have to say, not unless he's walking through a museum. He's an expert at taking museum tours and explaining all the artifacts in the museum. I don't know how the hell he know all that. He's an expert of making sure you understand the library and how to get the research.
>> I tell the flash cards. I took >> on the exhibit.
>> No, I I actually read the private.
>> No, he actually he really know what he doing. No, he I ain't gonna let him get you.
>> As much as I don't like you right now, Reggie, I'm not going to let him get you. You really know what I've seen some of that.
>> You set it up for that [ __ ] But I'll tell you this, you set it up for the joke, >> Reggie. So, what is it saying though, Reggie? Hold on. That abstract, what is it saying there now? You say that the abstract ain't real. You just said it, right? I heard you say it. He said, "Well, I don't really >> if anybody goes back to that conversation, right? The conver I was asking him >> give you a break. I'mma give you a break, Reggie.
>> See, you're not I'mma give you a break right now, Reggie."
>> No, you don't give me Do you want me to give you a break?
>> Okay. So, in my time, um, what I would like to do is I would like to bring up the article and see if your lying eyes or lying or if you could actually comprehend what the article is saying.
So, this is what we're going to do.
We're going to bring up the article and give me a second.
Okay.
And let's show this article. So what I did was oh at the stage. So what I did is I made sure that I read the article.
So let's just bring this up and so that you can see it. Okay. So I see people in the chat saying it's not talking about African science even though the title says the method of African science.
Let's see if I can bring it up a little bit more. Right.
>> Well I agree with you Randy. This kill.
>> Okay. So thank you. So it's not talking about African science to those people in the chat, but the title is called the method of African science, right? If >> and it actually argued that it's contemporary with science today by saying it'll never reach the same capacity of it or it makes the argument that it exists.
>> Yeah, it does. So um so the issue is let's okay so we read this part the issue concerning authentic method of western modern science has been a problem to scientists and philosophers of science alike right and it is critiquing the authentic the authentic method of western modern science that has been problematic but what the article says is that it begins here it says in African science so it exists here classified into traditional and modernized African science. So it exists in two parts. Some elements of the western method of science can also be found. So it's saying that in African science both traditional and modern elements of modern western science could be found.
Right? You could read it yourself.
Right? Okay. He critiques a traditional African science here. given a conception of the world tend to give prominence to the metaphysical religious method of supernaturalism.
Right? In addition to elements in addition though he says in addition to elements of the western method. So even though he's critiquing African scientist he's saying that even in a traditional African science there's elements of western meth of the me of the western method.
Right? That's important because now you're looking at not that African science does not exist but the fact of the matter is the differences in between differences differences in the methods but even traditional African science still has method and some of those methods or elements of the western methods. Then he says this and the conversation really should have stopped given his background. This paper contends so he's telling you what this paper is doing that this method of African science is perhaps more problematic and would not allow science to grow.
Still, it's still African science. And he's making a critique.
At best, such approach to science, in spite of whatever feat the African scientists may achieve, would always be esoterical, personal, and devoid of any theorization.
That's his proposition for the paper.
Without the elements of objectivity and personalization and rigorous theorization, traditional African science still remains miles away from Western science.
Okay, that's his critique. I have a critique on that statement, but let's look at this part. It's a quick read.
Does Africa have science different from modern science?
What then is this science? still calling it science.
What is the method of such science, right? They're looking at African science. What is this science and what method is this science? But it's still science. Is science not a universal enterprise?
Does it make sense to talk of the method when contemporary studies in science have shown that there is no one method that is absolute in sacracent to be termed as the method of science?
Okay, he's moving off my point because he's already won my point that there is an African science. Now he goes and he talks about science. Maurice Richard would note that science is an activity which historical roots could be traced to several African cultures.
So science roots could be traced to several African cultures. This presupposes that African that Africa can lay claim to some kind of science no matter how crude it may appear to the modern scienceist.
So that should end this argument that we've been arguing over too much.
Richtor says this pres presupposes that Africa can lay claim to some kind of science no matter how crude it may appear to the modern scientist. Thus it would be wrong for anyone to say that science is completely alien to Africa.
For even before the advent of western science, our father f our forefathers practiced science which could be labeled African science.
It can't become any more clear than that. Then he says, "Moreover, such science to some extent has influenced the method of western science and of course has also in turn been influenced by the method of western science. So the conversation should be over still.
Moreover, such science that's the African science to some extent has influenced the method of western science.
and of course has also in turn been influenced by the method of west the method of western science even though he's talking about method he's saying that science right has African science has influenced western science the conversation should be over thank you so much Cedric now he goes it is against this background that we intend to examine the idea of African science and its method. Okay. So now we go down the concept of science.
Etmology the etmologically the concept science is derived from the rat the Latin noun scientia which according to amdo has its roots in the Latin verb sincere meaning to know right. Thus, science in this general sense refers to knowledge but specifically systemized knowledge.
In the broad sense, academic disciplines such as religion, history, law, philosophy, etc. and some organized practices like astrology, divination, palistry could also count for science. So now the art article kills uh Cedric and An because now even astrology divination palistry could also count for science. This is their source.
This is not my source. But tech if I bought the source I would be a blackologist but they bought the source.
But technically speaking, the term science seems to defy any general accepted definition. Scientists, philosophers, and these scholars in every spear of human endeavor define science according to their different epoch, persuasions, and schools of thought.
So, it's not limited to uh the pseudo killer definition of science. Now I'm almost finished.
From the sociological point of view, Maurice Richard conceives of science as a cultural process. The process or the group of interrelated processes though which we have acquired our modern and everchanging knowledge of the natural world which encompasses inanimate natural nature, life, human nature and human society. This definition is broad. It leads one to know that science is not static but ever progressing and that science as thus defined has historical roots in several cultures.
Of course, this conception of science supports the idea that every culture including Africa has some science. So modern science distinctively European in origin has come to impose its method on other cultures. Modern science according to Sandre Harding is ethnoscience that is local knowledge system of the west but imposed on other cultures. Paul Ferben seems to be in support of this sociological conception of science. In his farewell to reason, he sees science as a body of knowledge, usually as a local commodity designed to satisfy local needs and to solve local problems.
The point here is that a given culture can influence science, especially where a science springs from um uh from though it can also be influenced by alien cultures. Francis Bacon, who we've heard a lot about on these channels, on his point conceived of science as knowledge having to do with the activity to conquer nature. Uh, I read it out of order, sorry. Francis Bacon on his part conceived of science as knowledge of having to do with the activity to conquer nature. This knowledge, science according to him, is the road to power.
Hence his recurrent theme was knowledge is power. The knowledge in question being knowledge of nature. Okay. So then we go to the because I read the highlighted point of the article other article. This conception of science we believe captures the activity of modern science as well as some aspects of African science which methods we intend to evaluate.
And I think this is the last thing. The notion of African science. Go Ozumba in his analytic and synthetic dimensions of African science characterizes African science as again this article and all other uh contributors that he cited to this article say that there is an African science. But the notion of African science by Ozumba says the African man's way of observing, systemizing, testing, confirming facts of his environment with the aim of achieving a high level of understanding of his environment to aid him in controlling or manipulating forces of nature to his advantage or at least to escape the heavy consequences of uncertainties which characterizes natural phen phenomena.
This definition of African science is indeed embracing and very revealing. The definition brings to the four such methodological elements of science as observation, systemization, testing, confirmation of facts, understanding, controlling and manipulating of forces of nature to man's advantage.
So uh then he goes back and he says we classify African science into two namely traditional African science and modernized African science. By traditional African science refer to activities understanding explaining and exploitating nature for man's use which proceeded from African beginnings on African soil by African people. It is traditional because it proceeded from the African environment and has been passed down from generation to generation and has not been adulterated by western sites.
Right? So the the the problem that we have here is that the pseudo killers for the last uh three months have been talking about science right and they're what they understand is science. What we do on this channel is we read other sources right to compare. Then if that is not true, what then what we did ask them to do is to show their sources. They give us a source that completely dismantles everything that they have been saying in the last three months. Now they say that Reggie does not have reading comprehension.
Well, I disagree.
Um what I what what I disagree about is the fact of the matter is that Cedric read um introduced this paper ank championed it but if ank had read it before champion he would know that this paper specifically talks about uh African science. So uh what I am trying to say I'll put my face on the screen.
What I'm trying to say is that the argument is over with their own source.
Pseudo killers die on their own sword.
Because if not this, then they now have the unfortunate burden of saying that of explaining to us why they bought up this paper and then any other source, they have to critique their new sources with this paper, right? And and again, why would the pseudo killers bring up this source if they had high reading comprehension? Because this would not be their weapon to dismantle African science. So I'll stop for now. Um thanks very much. I don't uh I'd like the audience to speak on the question is does this paper show that there is African science And African science is traditional and it is modern, right? With nuances between. The question is, why would Cedric bring up this paper to show that there is no African science when the paper clearly says that there is African science?
>> Yeah. All right, Reggie. Powerful information, man. I just want you to know that uh Cedric is in the building.
He's in the in the chat watching. He's claiming that you're lying and I don't know >> what am I lying about >> about the problem. That's what he's >> say that. Why am I lying when I when I just read the paper?
>> Right. There you go. Yeah.
>> How could I be lying and this is his source?
So, >> well, the people are saying this paper does show that African science.
>> Okay. Okay. So, you got the people rolling with you. Cedric, you can hit if you want.
>> Hold on. Hey, can I say something?
>> Yeah. Let me get um let me get an here.
Reggie, let say what you want to say, please.
>> So, okay. So, if you if you take your time and read the paper, I always tell people stay out of the body of the paper.
Read the abstract and read the damn conclusion. But Reggie, you want to jump into the paper? No problem. So basically, it's explaining African spiritual knowledge systems that they're calling African science because the word science means knowledge. And in the paper and the course has been reading it, it actually defined it that way. It said it. It said that it said since time and memorial. So since time and memorial, the word science was not there. That's a later word. So if it was a later word then what was they doing before the word? They was practicing their traditional knowledge which incorporated their deities, their culture and their spiritual system which was the level of the time. That's what the paper's basically saying. If and and Reggie, I'm glad you didn't finish reading the paper because I'mma get you.
I'm just going to shut up. I can't believe that you would take advantage of the people like this, bro.
>> You actually taking advantage of the people right now. You only read a part of it, bro. You going to read read the whole thing.
knows that this paper ain't talked about like science or modern science. It's talking about African science and African science, not science. African science is whatever they called it, whether it's uh quote unquote um uh uh uh uh temple knowledge and wisdom or traditional medicine, right? All that is African knowledge or quote unquote African science. The word science there don't mean the science we've been talking about for the last three weeks, bro. And the fact that you can't get that, bro, I just rest my case, man. I You put yourself in a Harvard position right now. So, I'm gonna be quiet and let let the people, you know, figure out what they figure out. Appreciate you, though.
>> Okay. So, um um when did you did you read the paper before Cedric put it up?
>> I didn't hear. What' you say, brother?
>> Did you read the paper before Cedric put up the paper? here.
>> No, I read No, I didn't have to read the paper before said put up the paper. Of course not. I read the paper in the course of you putting them off the shelf.
>> Okay. Ray, have you have you read the whole paper?
>> Yes, I have. That's why I said it's going to talk about if you go into the paper, it's going to start talking about how >> that the colleges and universities need to check it >> for it to be incorporated into modern science. So, I read the paper, brother.
>> Okay, great. So, let's do what an says because ank says for a second. I don't have any I don't have I'm not I'm talking.
>> Oh, so now you >> So I'm here I'm here to prove you're a liar, right? I'mma show you why you're lie in one simple.
>> Okay, so watch this.
>> Watch how you lie. I came up there because you were trying to equate African science with modern science. The whole the whole King J and a debate. And I said, >> okay.
>> All right. Hey, Cedric, I'mma let you go right after um Reggie do this. I'mma let you go. I promise.
>> Okay. He He ran. Um he didn't >> Reggie, did you get him out, man? You cut him out.
>> I did not get him out. I just muted him so that you could talk.
>> Oh man, >> you muted him. Wow.
>> Wow. Really?
>> Well, because I was talking, >> Re, it wasn't your turn to talk, Re?
>> It was my turn to talk.
>> No, you just finished talking then I talked. Then Cedric >> and then But I didn't know he was coming in. Did >> you Did Cedric, come on back up, bro.
You can speak right after Reggie finish.
>> Let him get in and then I'll let you speak uninterrupted as well.
>> Come on.
>> No need. Hot my own show. Okay. So >> why do a show on that? Why you ain't just let it play?
>> I could then do the thing. Why not do that?
>> I could play back right where I could play back the video where me and Cedric was having a conversation with. Uh, that's not necessary at this point, but I want to deal with what ank says. So, uh, okay. So, let's do what says. Don't read the whole paper.
>> I didn't say that. Yo, read the read type in the word college or university.
Yo, that way you can find it quickly like you've been doing. Go ahead.
>> No, no. Um, I'm um I I gonna read the conclusion. I'm gonna read the conclusion, right? I'm going to read the abstract and the conclusion and then after that then we'll we'll talk about university.
>> Let's do this. Let's read the conclusion. You say what you think it mean. I'mma say what I think it mean and then we gonna put it in chatbt to see what it mean.
>> No, we don't need to put it in.
>> Oh, I heard. See y'all. Ladies and gentlemen, see what he just did? H I rest my >> Reggie. Reggie, you don't got to run from it. It's going to confirm what what you said. I promise you. So, so >> you can let him put it in chat.
>> No. Yeah. So, thank you. But here's the thing. First, let's read the conclusion.
This paper has been an attempt to evaluate the method of African science.
We have attempted to explain what is meant by science. Though we agree the concept is fluid. We have looked at the idea of African science, classifying it into traditional African science.
>> Reggie, it's four o'clock, bro.
>> Yeah, I'm I I'm I'm gonna just >> that money, man. You got to go get that money, bro.
>> I'm I'm gonna move I'm gonna move what I have to my cash app. I'm just >> You get our money, man. Come on, man.
>> Uh no. Yeah, you you you uh matter of fact, let me put my cash app in in a second. Right. So, that will help me out. The conclusion.
>> I got it, Reggie. I put it up.
>> Thank you. Conclusion.
This paper has been an attempt to evaluate the method of African science.
We have attempted to explain what is meant by science. Though we agree the concept is fluid. We have looked at the idea of African science classifying it into traditional African science and modernized African science.
The first refers to indigenous attempt of traditional African activities of understanding, interpreting and exploitating nature for man's use.
The second also depicts this attempt but incorporates some aspects of its of the method of western science. African science we have observed still strives toward using a combination of the empirical and mystical or metaphysical religious approach. This method to a large extent has led to personification of knowledge per person yeah personalization sorry personalization of knowledge and the consequence is that such knowledge has become esoteric rather than uh exoteric. Our position is that science as science is something that should aim at solving human problems in the world.
Since the subject matter of science is how to explore nature for man's use, we have to note that nature and its forces are complex. Hence the variations of this method of science. If this is the case, then we should not simply wave aside the method of African science. If this is the case, then we should not simply wave aside the method of African science because it is couched in the mystical, religious or metaphysical garb in so far as it can solve still solve human problems. So this should just destroy everything that ank and the pseudo killers have been saying. You scamming. Keep reading. Stop scamming.
Stop scamming. Keep reading.
>> No. Um Oh, you see when you when you do things like that, I think that everybody on this platform can see clearly that it is you and Cedric that have been scamming. I didn't bring that up, but I'm not going to just take it from you.
So our position is that science as science.
>> No, go back and read that line.
Go back and read that. Reggie, everybody heard you. No, >> it said you know what you want me to read.
>> Go back to the word esoter. Go back to that, bro.
>> Why don't you read? So I read Wait. So you read read the part that you want to read. Go ahead. You read it, >> Reggie. You think I can see them little?
Man, get out of here. You bugged out.
You tripping.
>> Oh, no, no, no. Read. I want to see.
>> I can't see the damn words. Reggie, >> you can't.
>> You got to make it enlarge it. You got to enlarge it for him. Reie.
>> Okay.
>> No, I'm not doing nothing. You read it, Reggie.
>> Don't tell me.
>> Don't tell me why I'm reading.
>> I'm in the middle of working. Don't you hear the vacuum cleaner, [ __ ] >> Okay. You want to call me? Okay. You want to call me a >> Yeah, you call me a [ __ ] >> You're being faces.
>> You want to call me a [ __ ] >> No, you're being faces. Come on.
>> Because you disagree with me.
>> No, Reggie. Which the words you reading disagree with you?
>> Read it again for the people. You just >> Okay. What part do you want me to read?
Polite.
>> Go back to the esoteric word. Let me see. I can't see.
African science classifying. Listen, stop. I can see this part. and say African science classifying it into traditional science and which is modernized African science. It says the first reference is to indigenous attempt of traditional African activities in understanding interpreting and exploring nature to man's use. Right? That's traditional knowledge bro. And I'm reading it crispy like a crispy clean donut. It says the second also depicts this attempt but incorporates some aspects of the method of western science. the second attempt, bro. So, it's still neither one of them is really representing science. You You should based off that. And I'm reading it.
>> Hold on, bro. This like this man like I couldn't read. They say, "African science, we have observed still strives towards using a combination of the empirical and what's this mystical or metaphysical religious approach. That's what we trying to say. That's why it's not science." It goes on to say this.
Hold on.
Hold on. I got to hold my phone. Hold.
They say this method to a large extent has led look to personalization of knowledge. And the consequence is that such knowledge has been esoteric rather than exoteric. Do you know the difference between esoteric and exoteric? Right. I ain't going to keep reading that, bro. You you bugged out.
>> Oh, no. or not because our position is that science as science is something that should aim at solving human problems in the world. Since the subject matter of science is how to explore nature for man's use, we have to note that nature and its forces are complex.
Hence, the variations of the methods of science. If this is the case, then we should not simply wave aside the method of African science because it is couched.
>> Can I read something, Reggie?
>> Mystical, right? Let me just close this sentence. We should notide African science because of the mystical religious or metaphysical garb it could still solve human problems.
I'll stop.
>> No. What does that mean?
>> All right. So I So I got this thing right here from uh Clapper to me.
>> We got to talk about the sentence. We're not moving to something else. What are we doing? What is this?
>> I'm not changing the subject. This is going to prove what Reggie is saying.
>> No, we're talking about the sentence. We don't need you to bring something. We want to make it prove what he's saying about the sentence you just read.
>> It's I can do it. It says simply we should not wave. We should not We should not Let's go back over here.
Throw it away.
>> Wait, wait, wait. No, I know. No, no.
Because that's not what you wanted to say. You wanted >> No, no, I wanted to say it says >> it said we should not wave aside, >> right?
>> The method of African science >> because of because of its religious connotations to it.
>> Right. But what you don't understand, what you don't understand is that at this point it's not talking about whether or not there's African science.
He's talking about the method of African science.
>> If you brother, you know, right? I'mma read the next paragraph.
>> Wait, wait. Do you understand that at that point?
>> Understand? Yes.
>> Do you understand that point that they are not they've already crossed the line there is an African science? They're only talking about >> No, they not, bro. No, they not, bro.
>> I agree with you, Reggie, because they said you shouldn't wave aside African science. They already established it exists.
>> So, you stuck on the word, too. method of >> No, I got I I got I got something else I want to read to you cuz this right here you you always say you agree with the experts and you and you and you're not an expert. Right. So right here it say >> I got to go. I'm out of here y'all.
>> Okay, Reggie, I'm going to read it to you then. Right here cuz Kaepern math hunga is a MIT professor who is it says right here that he is the likely the most uh prominent figure today. He doesn't just call it indigenous knowledge. He explicitly uses the term African science to describe how Africans have always observed, experimented, and innovated. And then right here it says his argument is that science is a verb, something that you do, and that Africans have always been doing for millennials through their agriculture and uh medicine. Then it say right here, his key works is that he got a book right here called what do science, technology, and innovation mean from Africa? Right.
And then in that book he argues that he says his argument is that African science is a indogenous if I said that right uh e n d o g e n uh o us born within and then you got a second scholar right here Elizabeth uh Riola she's the president of African gong it says as of 2026 she is the leading voice in scientific uh communication in Africa she advocate for African uh uh scientific that's a movement, right? It said movement mainstream African uh culture into global scientific disclosure. It say her focus is that she argues that the decolonization of science requires acknowledging that African culture have their own scientific framework that should be taught alongside of westerns. So even the the mainstream uh scholars today who are the uh the main focus uh focus and voices on this subject agree that this African science exists. So I don't know where you're going with it.
>> Absolutely.
>> I I don't there's bigger reading comprehension problems. uh sometimes your people are based on the rules that they use they're blinded uh in their paradigm in the in a set of rules that they're using to solve a set of problems. This paper uh quickly showed that African science existed that is divided into traditional and modern and that African science itself right gave to the western world right elements. It clearly shows that the paper moves on to a critique of African science. Now in this whole paper, interestingly, they did not talk about ancient Egypt, which would be a great case to look at as to what that civilization did, and then look at Nubian civilization to see what that civilization did. And then then to go to West Africa and look at the uh Nuke civilization to see what they did with me, met me met me met me met me met me met me met me met me met me met me met me lurggery, right? Let to see what they did. But my my matter now is moving past that.
All you're doing is protesting uh protecting modern western white science, right? And what you're saying about traditional African science and African sciences in general, it wasn't good enough. But yet Francis Bacon gave who you might credit gave his definition of science, right? And I can go back to that what Francis Bacon said. So um the reason why I would not debate you on this because we're using two set of rules. We're using your paper that disqualifies you and Cedric for even having this conversation because you bought up the paper and now you're going to explain to me.
>> You never finish reading the paper. You let us bring up the paper. No, I'm not going to let you information.
>> I am not going to get I'm not going to let you.
>> So then why am I So then why am I >> So what what part of the paper?
>> What part of the paper? Am I up here?
You was reading the conclusion.
>> Okay.
>> The guy jumped in. Hold on.
>> Let me finish.
>> Reggie, hold on.
>> Hold the hell on. The guy dove in with another sky on what they was thinking about. We ain't seen the book. We don't know what the hell he talking about.
Didn't he miss me?
>> I gave the links to both of y'all.
>> I'm in the middle of talking right now.
>> I do not need you to disturb my peace.
What I said was you threw a lady in there that said everybody should learn get knock it off. Bro, one person don't make the ship go.
>> I gave you the two lead and prominent people.
>> I gave you the two lead and prominent, >> bro. You made that up.
>> No, you didn't. You made that up, bro.
>> You made that up.
>> Wow.
>> You just called them what you want to call them. Now you What you did was you intentionally muddy the water, bro. Now you got us marred in ignorance.
Now you got to disrespect Africa. Now that's the only way to get y'all is to disrespect Africa.
>> Yeah. Cuz if it was that serious, the white boys would have took it and use it and the world would be using the African side. But they don't. They use the information from everywhere. Bro, y'all scamming right now. You know what?
>> Shut up.
>> Yeah. Can I say something real? Can I say something really quickly on that?
>> Let me finish. Let me finish.
>> Wait. I want to I want to follow what he's asking me to do. He's saying that >> say, let me say this really quickly, right? Just in a perspective, right? If your guys are saying that African science is true science, you cannot argue that there's science in the Bible. You can't argue against it.
Do you know why?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Because it's giving you the same con.
This is what they're saying. And the brother that jumped in, he always keep jumping in as if he's actually astute enough to have these conversations.
When he the moment he says the word indigenous, he loses the argument and he doesn't understand.
>> Facts. Fact.
>> Right.
>> He actually said indogenous. He said indogenous.
>> No, he didn't. He did not.
>> That's correct. And I spelled it.
>> Yeah. Indogenous.
>> Watch. Look. Listen, bro. Endogenous means that that's developed in that out of that culture based on their knowledge and their in their belief system.
Right? There's not >> all I'm saying is that he did say >> there's no empirical data. Here's the >> and I dropped the sources on both of them in the back for everybody to go read. I ain't make it up.
>> Listen, it don't matter if you dropping links to what people are saying. What I'm telling you is you cannot show me anything out of quote unquote African science that you're gonna prove that you're gonna show empirical evidences of. You're not going to show that.
>> They're not going to show that. They're not going to give you that.
>> I don't think because if I listen, it's just like when I was explaining not too long ago. If I say Jesus spit in clay and rubbed it on his eyes, we know there's healing properties in saliva.
And when the moment I said that, THAT'S SCIENCE. WHAT DID Y'ALL ARGUE? OH, that's not science. But it's science in the cultural context of those people.
It's not shout out to Easy B. It's not Western or modern science.
Okay, we're not saying the article clearly separates African traditional and African modern science, but it does say that uh uh traditional African science gave to the west.
>> How does it how does it define science?
How does it define how is African science defined?
>> I'm going to do you didn't you didn't see me read the article?
>> I saw you read the article, but I don't but you're blowing past it. You >> No, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
>> That's metaphysical.
>> No, I'm not. No. No.
>> Right.
>> No. So when you say metaphysical, >> stop talking. Stop talking, >> man. Please put them in the back sock cuz you stay getting me, >> bro. Stop whining, bro. Like what's wrong with you?
>> Okay, let's read this. Does Africa have a science different from modern western science? Question. What then is science?
Question. What is the method of such qu science? Question. Is science not a universal enterprise? Does it make sense to talk of this method when contemporary studies in science have shown that there is no one method that is absolutely psychosync to be termed as the method of science. Right? So then Maurice Richard would note that science is an activity which historical roots could be traced to several African cultures. This presupposes that Africa the conclusion bro >> this is not the conclusion I'm answering y'all Rob. I'm asking y' question.
>> Oh wow.
>> Maurice Witcher would note that science is an activity with which historical roots could be traced to several African cultures. This presupposes that Africa can lay claim to some kind of science no matter how crude it might appear to the modern scientist. Thus, it would be wrong for anyone to say that science is completely alien to Africa. For even before the advent of western science, our forefathers practiced science which could be labeled African science.
more such more such science to some extent has influenced the modern the method of western science and of course has also in turn been influenced by the method. It is not saying that African science does not exist. It is talking about the methods.
Right? So Ank wants me to go to conclusion because he should know that no longer are they talking about whether African science exists but talking about the method of African science. So this is where I am now. The point is that if modern science is something that is characteristically public, impersonal and objective then the African scientist should move beyond the present level of personalization and esotericization of knowledge. The African scientist should embed the attitude of free inquiry and openness of mind to criticism. He must stop venerating deities and spirits whose activities he cannot justify in relation to the to the scientific endeavors.
If however the deities and spirits are relevant in the workings of nature which the scientist strives to explore then the African scientist must always be prepared to explain and give coherent theoretical conclusions which will be open for all to see. We >> we believe that one of the ways that the traditional scientist still a scientist now could do this by leading the charge for some of those ethnos scientists like herbalism traditional orthopedic clim climate uh climatology divination etc to be introduced into a into our school curriculum.
Right? So he's asking for he's asking for it to be introduced into our curriculum. Failure failure Ben in his science in a free society challenges >> that a citizen has a say in the running of any institution to which he makes financial contributions either privately or as a taxpayer. If for instance the taxpayers of California want the university to teach voodoo, folk medicine, astrology, rain dance ceremonies, then this is what the universities will have to teach. This is a good this is a challenge to traditional African scientists. Good enough. Some of what was held to be esoterical knowledge like herbalism has been introduced into some university curriculum. An example uh Ooh University uh Elle E in Nigeria we are waiting for other ethnos scientists like sciences like divination climology vism and their methods to be introduced into schools on the contrary they wanted to be introduced into schools. It is only when this is done and sustained research done in these fields with regard to its conclusion achievement that their methods could be laid bare. It is our conviction that the negative aspects would then be sifted out and the positive aspects could then be useful in our modern world. Who knows there may not be any magic beyond these forms of knowledge. The traditional African scientists may only be invoking the spirits and deities either ignorantly or to scare people in a bid to be revered.
Or perhaps these spiritual entities and forces are the same entities like the modern scientist subatomic particles namely electrons, protons, photons, hydrons, quarks, lepttons, glucons, gluons and may even have similar functions.
This speculation may sound intriguing but no less significant when we consider discovery in quantum mechanics that quarks and lepttons considered as the ultimate materials the final stuff from which all the complexity of existence emerges are linked together by a glue like stuff gluons. The implication here is that all the material reality in the macro world is instantly interconnected by such material forces all forces of the micro world. The consequence is that everything in the universe is connected to everything else. This discovery to a large extent seems to support the traditional African view of the world of amazing unity and interconnection among all things. a view which seems to give African scientists the leverage to operate the way he does. However, the African scientist should appreciate the fact that Western modern science could only achieve the discovery because its methods encourage rigorous theorization which results in impersonalization, exo umization um and non veneration of of inexplicable authorities. Thus, traditional African science could also grow if it could employ the approach of impersonalization and exotericization as part of the methodology. I know that ank did not read this paper because this paper says that in fact those things.
>> Hey bro, hey bro. Hey bro, I talked about I talked about it bringing it to you.
>> I'm not finishing my point.
>> I'm finishing my point.
>> So why you capping?
>> So cap. I am finishing my point, right?
I don't know all the things that you talk about. I don't follow you no more like that, right? I refuse to because you should have never had this paper bought up to say that there is no African science. You should have never done that because this paper destroyed your all of your work for the last three six months. And then and then the problem is is in the fact the the the major fact in the matter is that I heard sanetta the other day say that um uh so when is science start ask you when is science start? You equate only science to be modern science. This paper does not do that. Right? So the this paper says that science was in Africa no matter how cruel it is, right? It's still science. So that destroys your whole proposition. But what you want here's the thing about it. This is the craziest thing to me. You champion modern science.
You you champion modern science. Western science. Yeah. But I have a degree in western science. In modern science.
Right. And these people who are writing this author right here, he is a PhD. He has a degree, right? And uh >> you do not have a degree in science. You capping cat.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> C.
And I'm glad you don't subscribe to me no more because I stop messing with that crazy [ __ ] you talking about. Okay.
>> You've lost your mind, bro. Absolutely.
Now, >> no.
When it comes to a great guy, when it comes to anything else, you're ignorant and I'm done.
>> Okay. So, okay. So, we're gonna find out what what we're gonna find what Chris Opan right what he has what he has a degree in says he doesn't have a degree in science right how does a think that because he's in the department of philosophy right so so let's go find what he has a degree on right so uh Google >> I said you I said you you >> I don't have a degree what in science.
You You just said you had a degree in science.
>> I have a bachelor degree in science.
>> You do not. That don't mean it's in science. What is wrong, bro?
>> I have a bachelor degree. You know what?
I'm done, bro. I'm done, bro.
>> You can't terrible. You're looking terrible right now. You're looking >> You can't You are recipient of a degree, >> bro. Come on, bro.
>> I have a bachelor's degree from 50 years ago.
>> Engineering, >> Reggie, you can't get a job on back by ice cream truck with that damn degree.
It's so damn old. They had dialup service WHEN YOU HAD SOURCES THAT you are old.
>> So wait, hold up. So you saying uh listen, I do applications.
>> Yo, >> I I do applications. You want to talk about me personally, about my job, what I can do in the ice cream truck? You really >> You brought your job up. You don't want to lie on your degree. You >> No, no, no. You said I can't get a job.
I'm saying you can't.
>> Okay.
>> Now, >> okay.
>> Now, you have the intelligence to upgrade your >> What I can do before I talk about that is talk about what can you get what kind of what can what kind of work can you get with your skills.
I can show you 20 years of me working in the field.
I can show you 20 years of me working in the field, right, from its beginnings, right? I'm 61 years old. A lot of people in my in in my field uh they don't uh they get forced out. I did a whole uh uh federal case on age discrimination in my field, right? In federal court. Uh, don't you ever in your life talk about my degree, my experience because I want to know, watch this. Next year I'm gonna get social security.
Next year I'm get social security, right? And I'mma get a high value on social security.
>> A lot of people who talk that talk, they're not going to get social security check. You ain't got enough points.
DON'T YOU EVER IN YOUR life talk about >> Hey, I'mma use that.
>> In your life.
>> Don't be stealing from Reggie.
>> You ain't got enough points.
>> No, you don't >> use that.
>> But see, Reggie, they said what I they said what I presented was made up. I gave him the MIT professor that wrote a book on it, which is the leading person, and then I gave him the African president of Gong to say basically the same thing as him. They say, "I made it up." Well, if you look in the back chat, the source to both of them is there. So, don't sit here and say, "I made it up."
And I read a direct quote from what they said. It ain't none of that. My words, >> you made it up.
>> But you gave commentary. That's all commentary.
>> Facts. He don't understand that.
>> That's simply commentary, brother.
>> I gave you I gave you a verbatim quote from what they said from their works when they actually So, listen. But the work But the work that they have, okay, that's okay. But >> all that means that you believe what they >> Stop the cameras, son. I never put this up for a reason. Stop. Stop. Everybody talk.
>> Sir, you speaking?
>> Oh, this a rematch.
>> All right. I want everybody to know that if you missed the debate, the debate is going up Sunday between Morpheus and Apostle so we can clear the air. Apostle is saying that he won. Morpheus is saying that he's crazy. And so we're going to get the people's um reaction to see what happened Monday, I mean Sunday, this Sunday at 3 o'clock. But you have to donate to the Cash App. This is a paid debate. If you got 5, 10, whatever you got by Monday, if it don't look right, I'll I'll wait till next Monday and we'll do it to next Monday. But you brothers and sisters out there is going to learn how to support your people.
This was a hell of a good debate. You see Jesus is even crying in the background.
This was a hell of a debate.
So if you want to see this debate this Monday, let work that cash app. You can start working it now and I'll let the people see it. The cash app. Let's get it. All right. Um, let me bring in some people here. We got my man easy in the building.
>> We talked about social security. Hold on, bro. Don't let him get to finish. Let me Everybody hold on.
Everybody hold on. Everybody hold on. I want to give an opportunity to Reggie was speaking for a minute.
>> So Reggie run his mouth. My mother worked for the Social Security Administration for 30, 40 years of her life. I have enough points. I work jobs this long enough to make sure she say, "Son, make sure you work long enough, right, to get your point of social security." I handled my mother wishes.
I've owned a business since I was 12 years old, my [ __ ] I own a business right now, my [ __ ] So, knock it off.
Yo, like I said, your degree ain't worth your papers on, not unless you get the upgrades. I'm not saying enough to do it. I'm saying you wasting your time right now talking to me. I'm done.
Social security joke. Y'all got me effed up.
y'all hoging over security.
>> Why don't you respond to some of the points he made?
>> Because I made the same points initially because you know, as I recall, right, I feel like IBM right now. I feel like indigenous cuz a lot of the talking points that Reggie's using, I already used them, man. And when I was saying that stuff, people were looking at me like I was crazy, right? I was basically saying that the only difference between African science, you know, uh European science and all these other sciences, you know, uh from Arabic science and all that stuff, right? Uh that came out of the the Arabs of the >> Remove that comment. Please remove that real quick.
>> The what's that?
>> Not you. Not you.
>> But I said I said that the only difference the only difference between those is the methods. Right. That was my point. I know ank you can you can definitely attest to that. I've been saying that from the jump. I've been saying the Africans perform science. Um the ancients perform science but the only difference with that and the modern science that we uh that we perform now is simply the method brother. And so I'm glad to see that this conversation has matured to the point where people are actually looking into it and bringing the facts out. From what I seen from what Reggie presented right now, he proves that point. All right. And um there's scientific uh agreeance with that. And for also what Yara said, I wanted to add salute Yara. Salute salute to everybody on the panel by the way.
Salute to >> wear it up. Salute to to uh Sanetta. And uh Reggie, I appreciate you switching up the the thumbnail, too.
>> So, um All right. So, now I just wanted to see if I could maybe present something. Uh, I wanted to add to what Yarao was saying in terms of how there's science in the Bible as well or at least scientific thought in the Bible, how they're describing stuff. If you can't share it right now, I'll go ahead and just start reading. All right.
>> Yeah. Be careful. You already know. You already know. I already proved that your God in the Bible said the science of this world is foolishness. And you know, I showed the scripture and I proved it.
So God don't deal with science. God said it's foolishness. Now go ahead and once again you took out you took the verse out of context. It was basically >> okay you took it out of context.
Basically it's talking about how you know we raise ourselves up as human beings to the point where you start to think like you and others on the panel maybe you start to think that you don't need God that oh we got it locked and all we need to depend on is science etc etc. Now, I gave you an example with the COVID uh incident, right? How we had the top scientists, but as soon as that happened, the world was at a standstill.
You know what I'm saying? So, that's an example of what God is talking about.
Like all the scientific knowledge that you can come up with is foolishness. Cuz one natural disaster is all it takes.
One asteroid is all >> your slide, brother.
>> You showing it?
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Cool. So, so this is Job and it's basically talking about how, you know, um I'll just basically describe what it's basically talking about. It's it says he spreads out the northern skies over empty space and he suspends the earth over nothing. Okay, so when you look at scientific thought, this aligns with scientific thought. We know that um not only is the universe expanding, right? So you see that he spreads out that join the expansion. Um you see um he suspends the earth over nothing. We all know that the earth isn't like uh sitting on anything, right? It's suspended in in uh in the universe basically and it's uh guided by gravity. We still don't know for sure what gravity is for sure and how it works, but that's just showing you that there's scientific thought in the Bible.
Here's another one from Job. So he draws up and this is basically talking about the water cycle. All right.
>> Can I ask a question?
>> He All right. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. When he finish, man, let him finish first.
>> All right. Cool. So, this is Job again.
It says, "He draws up the drops of water which distill as rain."
>> Oh, that was you. I >> Yeah, I think it was a >> Yeah. But uh let me just finish this right quick. He draws up the drops of water which distill as rain to the streams. the clouds pour down the their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind. So, this is basically talking about the wild cycle. All right. Um, which you you learn in early on in science, right? In science class, I think maybe third grade or something like that.
>> The easy bands, you're going to learn you're going to learn by coming over here. We don't give a damn about that, bro.
You really don't give a damn about to teach us some damn scriptures, man.
You're in the wrong place for that.
>> Sanetta, you don't you don't care. But there's people in the audience that care about this.
>> True. True. You're right. You're right.
>> Hey, Sanetta, I'm about to go, man. I appreciate y'all. I'm with you, Reggie.
Easy. The easy band proves my point.
That's why you got to be strict with the word signs. Now, everybody got it. The Hebrews got it. The Bible got it. I told y'all. Hey Reggie, I got you faded for this moment right here. I got >> Yeah. Uncle, >> you should never bring up somebody not being able to get a job. You should never bring that up.
>> Why not, Reggie? I never I never seem to get jobs. I always had my own business.
>> No, you should never bring up somebody else.
>> All right, we got to get back. We got to get back.
>> Hey, S. Appreciate you. Appreciate you, Reggie. I'd like to tell the audience that me and Reggie need to get a debate in. We need to do it. But what I do appreciate about Reggie, Hold on, Reggie. Reggie, can I hold on >> now? I think I think Reggie to be a admirable human being, a honorable man.
All jokes aside, right, I think his expertise lies in the quoteunquote libraries, but he's a damn pseudo talking about anything else. With that, I'm out.
>> All right. Peace on. Peace.
I was just uh I want to question >> Go ahead. Go ahead. Um >> yeah, about what he read the the first verse that he read. Uh what was that?
What was that first chapter and what was that what you read first? Easy B.
>> All right, I'll scroll back up, man.
>> I'll scroll back up, man.
>> Salute. I say by the way, man. Peace and blessings. I say I say peace. Peace.
This is the book of Job.
>> Yeah. This is Job. He spreads out the northern skies over >> Okay. Okay. Okay. I >> Yeah.
>> Okay. And Job is in the Old Testament.
So this So So this the Hebrew.
>> Yes.
>> Old testament.
>> Yes.
>> So what is that word? So what is the word he spreads of the north sky? What is that word for earth in the Hebrew? If you can give me a >> And he spreads the earth over nothing.
So, I don't know if I could maybe find the translation.
>> The word is >> ar >> what's the word?
>> Hold on.
>> And somebody's echo going off.
>> Somebody's going. So, wow. It just >> sounds like yours.
>> Who am I?
>> Yeah, it is.
>> No, no, no. That's um um Say something again. Easy Bands.
>> Yo yo yo. Mic check 1212.
>> No, that's not Easy Bands. It's just somebody had their mic open. But go ahead, Easy Bands. Continue.
>> All right. All right. So, all right. Let me go back down to Leviticus. Um so, and by the way, man, Ank is just trying to save face. He's been discredited. I I did it earlier on. I don't know if you a lot of you guys missed. And I think this whole conversation about African science, whatever, I'm the one that started that. You know what I'm saying?
So, I'm glad to see it grow and I'm glad to see everybody, you know, chiming in.
Ana saving face. He's already been defeated when it comes to that and uh he's running away to his echo chamber.
That's where he feels safe. But anyways, so um >> uh where were we? Yeah. Okay. So, we're at I think Deuteronomy.
>> You got No, no, no, no, no. We was I was looking for that word. You said So, the word is you said King J. Are >> Yeah. Yeah. All right.
>> What did that What does that mean in the Hebrew?
>> It can allude to uh earth or land or land.
>> Do you think that the Hebrews had the ancient Hebrews? Like do you think they had an idea of a planet?
>> No, I I think it was a I think it was a local flood. I don't think it was a global flood. And >> I'm not asking that in regard to the flood, King J. I'm just saying because the way he talking, he's saying it like they had like >> like they knew about the the axis and he's alluding to that.
>> That's why Easy B showed this. He's >> No.
>> So, I was wondering did the Hebrews have a word for planet.
>> So, let me No, you can't speak. You can't speak because you don't know the Hebraic word.
>> All right, bro. Then, let me finish then. I don't know. I don't get why you're asking.
>> I thought it it was on me. It was on me.
You was done. No, I wasn't done, bro.
>> No, he wasn't. He wasn't done.
>> You basically stopped me from reading what I was reading and explaining what I'm explaining. And then you're ask.
>> So anyways, when they talking about he suspends the earth, they're talking about the land, the land mass that they live on, right? So whether you want to call it a planet, you know, in 2026, that's good, right? But they were calling it the earth, whatever land mass that they live on. And they're talking about what is suspended over. They are describing that he he suspends the earth, the land mass over nothing, which is incredible because in 2026, we're able to see that.
Okay. So, it's incredible that they even knew this at that time. All right. So, let me uh keep going then.
>> Wait, wait, what? Easy bands. Uh, one quick second.
>> Uh, the problem is with land and earth in the Bible, right?
>> Uh, we don't get any dimensions. What what we when the Bible is talking it's largely talking about like 120th history >> meaning the land mass in and around uh the uh those groups of people uh the the early Samarans the and later the uh Egyp uh the uh sorry the uh Abraham that's that the most of the world is not known to them and nor do they talk about it but I just wanted to say that >> and the other thing is Uh, can I put my cash app? I only got $15 and I think I've been helpful to this uh this thing. So, I I deserve at least $25 for the day.
>> Yeah, y'all go ahead and uh you know, send a cash app to Reggie, man. That was some good powerful information.
>> Keeping you up there, brother Reggie. I know you >> I know it's not working. I love you, but for some reason, I only got $15. And if I get $25, I can't cry, right? But I should be able to at least get a a a cheeseburger and surprise. And >> he ran he ran ank off, man. So, you know, go ahead and, you know, support the brother, man. You know, that was some powerful information you just put up.
>> All right. Yo, I want um I want easy bands to finish. I got brother Lie in here. I like to let Lie in cuz he don't come in um a lot. So, whenever y'all see Lie jump in front of everybody, that's cuz the brother don't come in a lot. He just say something and that's it. All right. Go ahead, Easy Bands.
>> So, I mean, um, Reggie, brother Reggie.
So, what I'll say is that they knew that they live because if you read Genesis, right, it talks about God created the heavens and the earth. So, they obviously know there's there's two categories right there. The land mass that they live on and all the other land masses u or whatever land masses that that are in the universe. So, they already knew the concept. Now, if you're talking about they they were only speaking about their general area in in most verses, then, you know, I can, you know, that's a debate that we could have, you know, but I won't really like, you know, uh, object that much. But in terms of them knowing the difference between the earth that they live on or the land mass that they live on and the rest of the universe, they knew that difference. And this right here shows Yeah. And this right here shows exactly that point that when they say he uh the earth hangs he hangs the earth on on nothing basically. So even philosophy the land mass that you you're talking >> is that philosophy um or is that is that does that any of that is observ what part of that is observation? I'm >> all of it philosophy and observations.
So when when does any of this get in any way tested anyway empirically?
>> Well, >> go ahead, John.
>> Yeah, I just want to say real quick, if you go to Job, >> it gives us a word called Mazeroth, right? And it's used several times in the Bible, but it's talking about the evidence of the constellation. So they're observing the movement of the stars just as we see the Dogon was just as when we go in the temple of Cinemoot in the mortuary mortuary temple of Cinemouth you see one of the earliest renditions of a cosmological chart right or astrological chart. Um the Bible the Hebrew Bible and the book of Job talks about the exact same the exact same mapping of the constellations. Job 38 chapter uh Job 38:32.
Um, and the other thing about that is Job is actually the oldest book, right?
It's not Genesis. That's just how it was laid out because of the and how they titled it. But Job is actually the oldest at testation.
>> You have to admit, y it doesn't predate it doesn't predate uh uh it doesn't predate uh KT.
>> I never said it did.
>> All right. Yeah. I want y'all to hold on because y'all gonna keep going. I want to get brother lie up in here.
>> All right. Let Let me just finish this.
son. Just this last one, last verse right here.
>> So, Leviticus 13 verse 46. And this is going to answer Reggie's question that he just asked me. Um, it says, "As long as they have the disease, they remain unclean. They must live alone. They must live outside the camp." This right here is something that they did put into practice. Just like Reggie asked.
>> So, we could we could go to brother uh LA right now.
>> Yeah. I want I want to um bring on brother Law, but I want to say something to you easy fans.
>> Yeah. And this is what y'all should do too. You know, I I asked GP chat GPT. I said, um, Leviticus 13 and 46.
>> Is there any papyrus that's in ancient Egypt pertaining to the same thing >> and you'll be surprised, ancient Kimmit already dealt with the disease and all of that. And that's in the papyrus, bro.
Everything that you see up here, what you saying, all of that come right up out of Egypt, man.
>> You know, be quiet. If you didn't do it, if you didn't do it, don't say no.
>> Because I'm telling you, I'm telling you right now, you can go and do it. Go in and ask chat DPT or Google it and you'll see Papyrus talking about Leviticus 13:46.
But but >> about the health and the cleansiness and the disease and going in on that. SO THE BIBLE AIN'T come up with all this stuff, brother.
>> It did it wrong, bro.
>> All right. No, no, no, no. Let me bring up brother LA. I >> get back to y'all. Go ahead, brother La.
You got the floor.
>> First and foremost, as always, peace and blessings to you all and your families, man.
>> Peace, brother.
I actually jumped on because I seen Easy Band had jumped on and a question that I basically had for you brother is this with the premise of the show being based on science.
That being the case, what science has Christianity brought to the world of science?
>> Modern sc European science. Modern science.
>> Can you give me a source for that?
>> Um, just Google it, man. So basically uh Christianity. All right. So first off, let let me go. Yeah, it's all good. It's all good. So we're talking about the scient the modern the modern scientific method came from European Christian uh Christian Europe basically in the middle.
>> Stop talking. Stop talking.
>> Yo, King J, bro. Like that's why you always getting beat up, man. So anyways, >> brother, I'm gonna ask you the question again.
>> Listen me clearly.
in the realm. Okay, I'm I'm sorry, brother. Go ahead. I apologize. So, go ahead.
>> Yeah. So, modern the the modern method, right? The modern scientific method comes from uh Christian Europe, right?
So, the the church, right, funded the first universities.
Okay. The first universities were funded and pioneered by Christians, by the church. the scientific method itself, they laid the foundation for the modern science. So everything that you learn that that's why I was going to say an even brother Reggie is a convert to to European science that comes from Christians.
>> What you're presenting is the premise and the scope for the most part of missionaries. Once again, what I'm going to ask you and reiterate on is this. What has Christianity brought to the world of science?
>> Brother, I'm I'm explaining to you, brother. Listen, as a whole, the the modern the modern method of science that we have today, right, that we use, empirical testing, peer review, all that stuff, right? Uh institutionalization, especially the peerreview part, uh all that stuff, brother, the modern method that we have for for sc modern modern science comes from uh Christian a Christian paradigm.
comes from a Christian paradigm or Christianity as a whole. You notice the difference between a paradigm and Christianity as a whole.
>> So it comes all right. So listen so it comes from >> careful.
>> So it comes from the middle ages in Europe, right? And it was under a Christian paradigm and like I showed you the first universities that were implementing what we see today were funded and also started by by churches.
All right? They were the they were the or >> not not just missionaries but just churches in general like the church would have uh a university and they would fund other universities. You could look that up if you want but so that's where you know the modern science the modern scientific method comes from man and so it it uh it affects the whole field of science you have people like Isaac Newton a lot of a lot of the foundational or should I say u the groundbreaking discoveries and and and Say groundbreaking. You're reaching.
You're reaching by saying that, brother.
>> So Isaac Newton's work wasn't groundbreaking.
>> No, you're saying groundbreaking. What I'm saying to you in regards for Christianity as bringing something into the world of science, you're reaching by stating the words groundbreaking. You got to relax. You capping a little bit.
You got to relax.
>> But you you missed what I said. I said people like Isaac Newton and and a lot of other scientists that made groundbreaking discoveries in the field of science were Christians, brother, and they held on to their religion.
>> All right. Yo, Easy Band, real quick.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, I got one of your family members sent me a video of you when you was 11 years old, and I would like to share it with the people.
LORD, you know about the gold.
LORD, YOU give the gold.
Calm down. L. Calm down. Yes, sir. Calm down.
>> Let's go.
>> Are you done now?
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> You ain't got nothing else better to do.
>> You don't have a sister.
>> My sister and Christ is grandma. He's my brother and Christ. Do you know that? I really do. Do you know that? I do.
fans is getting it in.
>> Hey man, I ain't gonna hold you, man.
That kid, he's about to be he's going to be a great man when he grows up, man.
So, >> yeah, he was on the um he was on that show um what's that show with the girl that be on there? Damn, man. He was on the uh the morning show one day.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> But anyways, man, let me go to um Dr. David Roots. What's up, Dr. David?
>> I'm muted.
>> Can you hear me, brother?
>> Can you hear me? Can you hear me?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Greetings. Is Dr. Reggie still there? Brother Reggie.
>> Reggie still here? I think Reggie, >> I want to make sure.
>> Yeah, Reggie. Greetings. I want to make sure you hear me. Um, call in front of UK Suns.
I'm glad glad that the show is a bit earlier because now I can actually catch it. So, um, Brother Reggie, I'm I'm I have an actual PhD and, um, you can look me up on LinkedIn and, um, I want to say that you're completely right in the terms of that article, which I saw the press time that you broke it down previously, >> and then obviously you're then reiterating it. you're reiterating it again this time that your the way that you broke it down and the what the article says completely agrees with your stance that there was African science which which I felt anyway when when um SEU was first talking about that there was no African science. I was quite ashamed of him, especially him coming from, you know, being being born born on Africa and um I couldn't get on the show, >> but you you're completely right around that. But very quickly, because I want to get off I know there's a lot of people easy bands very quickly. So you said Sir Isaac Newton, right?
>> And that Christianity bought, you know, the scientific method to the world. Is that what your stance is? No, I said modern the modern scientific work.
>> Careful now. Careful now, easy fans.
>> Let me just come on easy.
>> Let me respond.
>> Listen.
>> So, yeah, I what I said was the modern scientific method was pioneered by a a Christian paradigm in the Middle Ages in Europe.
>> Okay, stop there. Was it not true that it was actually the the uh Christian religious zeelotss that fought first against the scientists that they actually had to go underground during the period of the enlightenment? No.
>> So that's propaganda which has been >> no easy history.
>> Easy man. This is a doctor with a degree brother. So the information is out there. So him being a doctor doesn't matter. The information is >> No, this is not listen my PhD is in renewable energy. I teach chemistry. So on and so on. But as a result, obviously I'm very passionate about about science and scientific history.
>> And it is, you know, it's common knowledge that during the the age of enlightenment that the it was the Christian fathers and particularly European Christianity that fought against the coming of the new age and the new science. So your your information is quite wrong. I also want to say hold on a minute. Hold on a minute.
>> Let him finish. Let him finish. All right.
>> You also you talked about Sir Isaac Newton who is you know one of the f founding fathers of of of science and many of our you know he is is is not too many that are greater than uh Sir Isaac Newton but the whole scientific method started before that because you got to think of people like Galileo. Was he a Christian?
>> Yes.
>> Galileo was a Christian.
>> Yes he was. Well, I'd have to look that up. PhD.
>> No, it's nothing to do. It's nothing to do. It's nothing to do. But Gao Galileo absolutely was a Christian.
>> Okay, I have to look. Hold on. Listen.
Listen. It's It's a misnomer because you're trying to make it seem as if their Christian faith somehow drove their their um particular scientific method. Because if you say Galileo was a was a Christian, Galileo, I'm pretty sure, also believed in magic.
Well, so did Capernacus Capernicus was a Christian as well?
>> I'm talking about I'm talking about magic. So was he a Christian that believed in magic.
>> Well, when you talk about magic, the ancient people of Kim called it Heka, but they >> No, we're talking about Galileo. I'm not talking about I'm talking about Galileo.
>> I know what we're talking about.
>> Good. Let me move on. Let me move on.
Hold on a minute. Let me move on. Let me move on. I want to just finish with with um to support brother Reggie and then I'll get off the get off the line. Um you know Africans had their own science.
The reason why we can say that is that as people have pointed out science means the pursuit of knowledge or the acquisition of knowledge. And in particular in many areas the um that pursuit of knowledge was was welldeveloped in Africa. We're talking about for example the architecture and their buildings. We're talking about their their their uh traditional medicine or their herbalism, you know, and and medicine. I'm not talking about chemt now. I'm talking about West Africa and in particular, we're talking about things like metallergy. Now, someone I'm going to finish with this >> and um someone mentioned I think it was you brother Yara who I have a lot of respect for >> you mentioned about that there is no empirical you know foundation to that traditional knowledge. Hence why we can't really call it science. I >> Okay, I dispute that. The reason why that could be disputed is because remember that many of the the sciences in Africa like metallurgy, like the um the medicine were were were couched in what we call guilds aka secret societies.
>> And these secret societies then would pass on this information from generation to generation. You couldn't just join them. You had to be it. It it was it ran within your family. So the blacksmiths for example, the metallurgist, they knew the secrets of how to do iron work and bronze work and so on and so on. And so that shows the empirical nature that this particular knowledge was passed on and improved from generation to generation. It wasn't just some ad hoc thing like easy talking about with the Bible where you know the Genesis talks about the fact that there were you know birds and bees and different animals and seeds you know so does that mean that there was biological science being practiced in in in so-called in in the Genesis story? No, that's just observation.
>> Well, hold on, brother. Can So you're making So I I like that you're mentioning my name. But the problem is is when you're mentioning my name, you're not even debating any of you're not arguing any of the topics or any of the points that I made. You're talking in generalizations. How about you attack one of the verses that I spoke on and tell me why it's not considered scientific thought and and then we'll go from there. But anyways, I wanted to to if sonet can share.
>> No, no, you asked me to do that. So, so here, so as I said, as I as I said, that >> on top of that, I have the two American scholars who ran the propaganda that that Christianity was against science and that propaganda has been dismissed by most majority of uh of scholars today. So, you're talking about debunked evidence um that that you know has been >> debunked. Just because you say something that doesn't make it true. I hope you understand.
>> I I want to say I I want to wait one second. I want to say this. Sanetta Sanetta, are you still on the line?
>> Is Sanetta still on the line? Well, I'mma talk to him. Uh doc Dr. David Roots, could you put your um your contact information in the um private chat or uh I'm going to put in my uh >> um >> look any any I don't mind giving my actual name. Uh Reggie, it's Dr. David Chapman is this is my my you know European slave name and you can look me up on LinkedIn. Dr. David E. Chapman.
>> So So let me just finish.
>> That's my name. I want to just do one thing because we uh let me see yahooyahoo.com.
>> You know, you know, Sanetta never answers his emails.
>> No, no, it's fine. It's I'm gonna make him. So, I'm gonna uh put my email in and if you send me your contact uh Dr. David Chapman, >> I will um uh make sure we we we need >> uh experts, people that have cast degrees >> to talk about >> I agree with that >> anything right to help us because what we have is a lot of hobbyists uh a lot of people uh who want to do the work but don't know proper research methods.
>> Yeah. And I complet I I completely disagree with position that your degree was was was is is not useful um in terms of having a science degree. I've heard you talk about it many many times.
>> That's insulting because I have engineering degrees. I mean engineering certificates. I had passed uh Cisco. I had passed a number of things. Uh and and I I still remain as a consultant and I I remain open for opportunities in my field. But but what else? What else? So, so Dr. David, right, please uh email me so we can um schedule a time that you could come on because we need uh we need experts to be able to uh not necessarily weigh in uh on on our kind of debates, right?
You're not somebody that is going to debate anybody, but we do need fundamental education simply about researching, writing, uh skill set, uh STEM. We need all of that. And and guess what? We don't we have very little on our platform with uh high degrees. So, please um email me so I can get to Sanetta so we can um learn.
All right, let me just >> No, wait, wait one second before you get out. Before Before you do that, Easy B, because I'm about to get up out of here.
I'm trying to I've been trying to get it in with you guys quite a second now.
>> I agree with that statement.
>> Yeah, I'm behind Reggie on that as well.
Um I agree too.
>> When it come down to the conversation that I'm hearing, man, I'm gonna get right up out of here. I I think it's kind of unfair when um when the Christians trying to throw in this whole this science in the Bible. I don't think it was fair when you said that Santo was taking the text out of context, but then soon as you read your verse, you went into a Hebrew word for earth and then you got to saying that they had a certain type of scientific thinking as if they was referring to the planet. Now that was now that was that was crazy.
And now we're talking about Isaac Newton. No, we're not doing that. Easy bands. I didn't over talk you. I know we're not doing that easy band. I didn't over talk you. Please don't do that, bro.
>> Don't do it. So I'm Don't over talk me.
I didn't interrupt you. All right. Go forward. Now >> going forward. Going forward. Going forward. You're talking about Isaac Newton.
>> Isaac Newton being a Christian and then you're saying that Christians help bring the scientific method in.
>> Okay. So, are we going to give Christians the same um the same credit for bringing the KKK >> to us as well, which is also a Christian organization?
>> Listen. question. That's a real question. So, listen. So, hold on.
You're driving the conversation.
>> How that's not a real Yeah, I'm not talking to you, brother.
>> Let me just say I look I was in the middle of something, man. You don't like that, bro.
>> You don't like that. Come on. Come on.
Come on, bro. I'm going to get him out of here, bro. You can give me a quick response and I'm gone.
>> But, bro, I was in the middle of responding to the other brother, man.
Like, >> come on, brother.
You know, so basically all I'm saying is look, all I'm saying is I brought you some verses in the Bible when we're talking about uh the earth or the land.
Somebody's echoes on. If you can mute yourself, I say, I think that's you.
>> But um yeah, so when we're talking about we're talking about the land mass that the people lived on, they considered they they were able to see the categories and see that this place that we live on is different from the rest of the universe. Okay? They can look at the moon and see that the moon is also a land mass. So they'll know that. All right. So we're living on something that's similar to the moon as well. It's not that hard to look at the moon and the sun and the stars and understand that our planet or wherever we're living probably looks like that from a distance. Okay. So that's how they were able to conceptualize that. All right.
Where we live, you know, is probably the same as the moon and and we hang on nothing as well. nothing as well.
>> But it's but it's almost like you're failing to understand the ancient Hebrew cosmology which matches up with ancient Babylonian cosmology where they had layers to this thing. And when they get to talking about like because it's not scientific thinking no more than it's actual like cultural thinking. It's the cemetic cultural identic cultural worldview that they shared. And it wasn't just exclusive to the Hebrews.
You can see the same world view in within the Babylon culture where you're talking about the levels of heaven, the primordial waters, the ancient sea beast in the beginning. Like it's all the same like cemetic story. They're not talking about the entire planet. So I just thought I listen you don't have to agree with me and that's not why we're here to agree but I think it was a little bit ficishious for you to say that it was scientific thinking when you showed that verse using the word what was the word king J for for earth >> yeah he's absolutely correct though I don't even understand of course you're going to use your religious philosophical ideology in the conversation wait okay Hey, I'm one second. I'm I'm land with this. I'mma land with this. And this to brother la.
When I'm looking at the way that the Quran breaks down the earth, this is way before we get a big bang ideology. It's alluding to the big bang.
>> When they get to talking about, hold on, wait. When they talking about light and they talking about light comes from a liquid and things of that nature in the Quran, this is more along the lines of scientific thinking. what you gave was a was phil philosophical and there's no problem with that >> but it was not scientific thinking I think that was a little bit of a stretch the same stretch that you said Sanetta was utilizing >> how do you argue for ethics I was just saying hold on young let me get let me make that point I said I said I said hold on hold on hold on you hold on >> no man's brother >> we actually had this debate >> exactly I say, "So what you talking about? You've been talking all day, brother. Let somebody else talk, brother.
>> Camera ain't on you, brother.
>> Sit down, bro. What's wrong with you?
>> Easy. The camera's not on you.
>> The camera is not on you, Easy B." I say, "So just to the point that the brother is making, right?" I think, do you not would you not consider this a type of a bias? If you're arguing that they have science in Egypt, then they have it in the Bible. You can't argue that they have science in the in Egypt, but yet they don't have it in the Levant.
>> That's what Especially.
Let me make my point. Especially if they stole it from you. But Go ahead.
>> That's what I >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, let me respond to King Jay.
>> When me and you had our debate, right, it we had Napa Ply. We're talking about pre way before this pre-dynastic chem. I didn't talk to you about chem. You lost at botanical science.
>> You lost at me, you lost at agriculture. And you lost at the hunter gatherers. I ain't coming there with no spiritual philosophy.
>> How do those by the definition of science even? So look, all those things you said are subjective, brother. The metal urgy where they're making Hold on.
the metal urgy where they're shaping it in the shape of a woman and making the furnace into the shape of her womb and and making the priest abstinence from sex. That's not science because they're performing rituals over it, brother. So, I ain't losing that point. Holistic healing and health. I ain't losing that point because the definition of of science is a systematic study of the uh structure of the behavior of physical observable in the observable world things that you can repeatable experiments. They can't do that. They had we I don't want to go too deep in it. They had they trial and error, right? And they had engineering and technology. Very different from science.
Building I already went over this building building a bridge is not science. It's engineering. Very different. But I let's don't deviate from the point. The point is that if they have science in ancient Kim, they had it in the Bible.
>> You can't listen. I'm not saying the Bible has no science. That's not my point. But when he showed that word >> and that's what I honed in on honed in on that verse specific >> that was the >> it was philosophical that that's all I was saying. Now you might have some things like I would actually say like you get the one of the first co systems in the Bible.
>> Yeah you know I mean when not not co but what what we isolation >> that's the first time you see isolation.
>> You're suggesting science in the Bible but he just didn't articulate the point well.
>> Yeah his point was not scientific. Okay.
>> So, listen, man. I say and you know, you're basically >> welcome to rhetoric. Truth tellers versus heretics. The truth free copper debate. We selling it. Realist on the internet. Don't know it, don't mention.
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>> All right, let's go to Hercules IN THE BUILDING. HERCULES, CAME UP. Let's go.
>> Sanetta um Dr. Um, >> David uh um Chapman, he's a PhD and um I I sent him my email, but I he's a PhD.
We would love for him to get on this show and teach. So, >> okay.
>> Anything from him? I don't know if you heard what he spoke about, but he's from the UK and >> Yeah, I know. He been up here a few times, Reggie. I know him.
>> Okay. So, yeah. Yeah. Let's uh So, come on. Let's get him. Let's get him.
>> All right. Thank you.
>> Okay. Let's go to Hercules. Hercules.
Hey hotel BB to me fam. So you know I've been listening I've listened to the conversation. So the whole thing with not understanding that they did have science whether or not they had science is is a complete um it's it's it's here and gone because we do know that ancestors did do science period. Okay.
It's not protoscience or whatever. Now what Easy Bands was talking about was modern science and he was explaining how the Europeans came up with this this method of doing modern science. It did come from Europe. It did come from their perspective and that's fine. They did create. But just because you know we live in a world today of modern science doesn't mean that it's correct. And so one of the things that we could look at is that you could look at ancient Kim and they show you a different method of doing science. Okay? And just because everybody always say the thing that you hear King Jay and Ank and them always says that they included magic into their science. So what you would have to prove that them including magic, including their spirituality and their science was a flaw. And you can't prove it because what they did, what they they produced a civilization that lasted for 4,000 years or even 10,000 years, however you want to look at it, but they just because they had spirituality combined with their knowledge of science and stuff, that's not a flaw. That's a way of looking at it from the European perspective. And I always say this every time I come on here, you have to take off your European glasses and start looking at things from an African perspective. And that's one of the main things that we do not do because we're not studying it from an African perspective and seeing how they looked at it and how they qu ask questions and answers. Why does this work? How does this work? So that's one of the things I would say you have to look at and understand. And um and and and people have been talking about this. I've shown this book before, Richard Gillan's book, he talked about it that, you know, they had their own method of science. Even the Philip Bingo book that Reggie always uh mentioning.
>> So they had their own method of science and it wasn't incorrect. It just wasn't the same method that the Europeans use, which Easyband was trying to point out that the Europeans produce what we call modern science and their own techniques, which is true, but it don't mean that we living in a world that is like I would say we live in an isphetic society. It's what our ancestors would say and it's damaging and harming the planet and people. So >> actually produced it now and the Europeans uh you um uh um added to it but the Arabs actually uh uh the house of wisdom they actually produced it.
>> Thank thank you brother Rajie.
>> I would think but but then you have to add >> respect that's why out of respect I let the gentleman speak and I gave easy banan olive branch. Yah told him and yra said it himself. He said brother let him speak. I let him speak. I didn't cut him off. I even humbled myself saying I apologize for interrupting you. But I extended the olive branch and he still took the raisin. He still cut his own throne.
Easy bands. They coming at you, brother.
What you got?
Unmute yourself, brother.
>> Yeah. So, let me respond to them right quick. Um, so I don't know what brother LA is talking about specifically because I basically explained everything. I explained how the scientific revolution I'm sure you're not you're not uh you're not familiar with the scientific revolution and what happened to for us to have the the modern scientific method but I showed you the evidence I gave I I explained to you the evidence I showed you that the first universities >> were f were funded and founded by Christians by by the church. All right.
So un the universities that you know the whole system of universities was funded and pioneered by the church. The whole scientific method itself was pioneered by Christians. And the reasons why they were able to do that is because they were able to separate nature because uh before that you know the Greeks would basically say that you know gods were in the nature or god nature was a god and Christians with our thought process we looked at god as outside of nature and therefore we are able to calculate or understand nature because you can't calculate god right but you can calculate nature and that's one of the reasons why they were able to separate religion from from uh from science.
Okay. And so the whole scientific method just like brother Hercules just spoke about came the the modern scientific method the ones that we use today came from Christian thought.
>> No from the Arabs >> in the middle ages.
It came from >> Listen, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm talking about the modern look brother.
I'm talking about the modern scientific method itself.
>> There was one person I'll hate them.
There was Alheim, right? But they weren't using the modern scientific method. Yeah, they were pretty advanced with their scientific method that they had. They were advanced. I'm not saying that they didn't have science. Okay? I'm saying that the Africans had science.
The ancient Africans, the the Arabs had science, the Greeks had science. I'm saying everybody had science. But the only difference is the scientific method. And the modern scientific method comes from European Christians. Bro, >> can I ask you a question?
>> My main purpose, >> Reggie, excuse me, brother. My main purpose for saying what I said was this, brother. and I let you speak it had that's why I asked the question exactly the way I asked it in regards for Christianity and what you basically said was nothing bro I just said that I just said Christians the church basically founded and funded universities brother I just showed you can I just showed you so hold on hold on brother law what's your response to that universities that you know today, right, that that that are a big system of of performing and learning science. What do you think about that? That that the church is the one that actually funded and founded these universities. What's your response?
>> Easy B before Allah speaks. Would it be better to say that the uh Christian church controlled science rather than uh let it flow? there were uh and would it be also better to say that everyone had to be a Christian otherwise it would be uh burnt or uh executed? Would would it be better to say that uh that the Christian church, the leaders of the Christian church controlled the lives of Europeans? Would it So, so what I'm just trying to say >> I don't get your point. Yeah.
>> You don't get my point.
>> No, no, I don't get your point.
>> Christian clarify. Christian church controlled science.
>> It was used, it was used as a whip towards modernizing science towards people that's oppressed people.
>> So, so hold on. Let me ask you something. Yo yo y I mean uh sorry uh brother L. You still are not responding to any of the points that I'm talking about. All you're saying is nuh-uh nuh-uh >> because it's not worthy of response.
>> So hold on. So a university the the foundation and funding and making available universities where people not just the elite but anybody can go to this university and learn science. Bro, you're telling me that that's not important.
>> What I'm saying to you, brother, is this.
>> That's a stretch. What everybody can go.
You're stretching the truth.
>> You're stretching the truth with this.
everybody can go and you know the church is so influential into these spaces.
What the church was doing was controlling these spaces just like they funded slavery just like they funded everything else because they were in control with the politics of the governing um government. So when So when you say that the church funded the university, you also have to say the church funded the university and also gatekept it for white European men so they could be the only ones in charge of the knowledge of that time that they were stealing from all of the brown people.
When you say that, you got to talk about how they checked out the women from the universities because they were actually stealing midwifery from the indigenous women and they were institutionalizing it to keep women out of these things.
The churches was making a a a border between everybody else and who they wanted to be learned. And the last thing, Galileo was absolutely uh put in jail and house arrest for the rest of his life for his scientific ideas. And Newton hid his theology. And if you really read into what he was talking about in his theology, it went against the church and he refused to say those things because he knew he would be ostracized by the church. So you like you got to tell the entirety of the story. Like the church wasn't just giving out this education all willy-nilly. Like that's not what it was doing. I'm sorry for interrupting.
>> Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo. Don't just jump in. Y'all y'all should know by now.
>> Um brother, can you hear me? Okay.
>> Yeah. Hold on. Let brother lock go ahead cuz he wanted to say he's saying what's up.
>> I'm just making sure.
>> Yeah, we hear you.
>> Easy. Easy Ben, you said all of this, but it's a known fact for most H.B.CU, most around the country are overseen by white folks.
My premise that you're saying in regards for Christianity, I asked you a simple question, brother.
What has Christianity brought to the world of science as a whole? Yo, brother, I gave you out of the branch, brother.
>> Brother, brother, to be honest with you, brother.
>> I think I think at this point, brother, everything is just going over your head like it's going in one ear and coming out the other. So, hold on. You've even failed to respond cuz I've shown you exactly what happened. I'm telling you, Hold on. I'm talking about Brother, I'm talking about the modern, brother.
>> I'm talking about the modern scientific method. brother, if you're telling me that that is not groundbreaking to the world of science, then you don't know what you're talking about respectfully.
You know what I'm saying? To the sister, part of peer review, I don't know if she knows what peer review is, and institutionalization of science. That shows that everybody was open to come and learn science, to come and repeat experiments, to come and do it for themselves. This is part of the modern scientific method. So, you're what you're basically saying doesn't even make sense. It contradicts the modern scientific method that these people did.
And why do you think they had universities? Who was going to these universities? It was the local people.
And that's one of the reasons why >> it wasn't the local people. And that's where you're being disenuous.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keep quiet, please, cuz I'm still speaking. So, it was the local people. And that was the difference between the modern system versus the previous system. The previous system was the elites and the authorities. They had the authority.
They were the gatekeepers. the Greeks even even uh even with Islam it was the elites that had that that gate gate kept that. Now when it came to Europe what they true >> hold on hold on brother when it came to Europe what they did was they institutionalized it which means that anybody could go to a university and learn and know how to repeat these same experiments. They they also introduced the peer review system. All right, which we still use today, which means that you and you in uh London can do an experiment and then you know your your works will be reviewed by other people say in Belgium or wherever it may be.
You know what I'm saying? So they opened it up. So what you're saying, sister, respectfully, you're totally wrong. And you're using rhetoric that comes from two American scholars from the 1800s who spread this rhetoric and has been debunked ever since. I can >> debate. Wait, can I can I respond to that because he's being very disingenuous with what I said?
>> Will you debate? Hold on.
>> Will you debate Mr. Queen on that?
>> Let me just read something. All right.
So, John Draper 1811 to 1882. Right. Uh his major works history of the conflict between religion and science 187 uh 1874 he wrote that right. His main claim was that science and religion are fundamentally opposed. Catholicism especially hindered scientific progress.
Scholarly assessment today. Modern historians widely regard Draper's framework as oversimplified, ideologically driven, historically selective. So meaning that the story that he's telling isn't the full story. He's just going off context and giving these little examples and trying to paint the whole system with the same brush. The second guy was Andrew Andrew White. Okay. His major work was a history of warfare of science and theology in Christendom.
This was 1896. His main claim was theology repeatedly obstructed uh scientific advancement. Progress came through liberization, liberation of dogma from dogma. The scholarly assessment today. White's thesis is also considered highly uh pmical, frequently exaggerated and reflective of 19th century secularist agendas. Okay. Most contemporary historians of science reject the simple warfare model.
>> All right, easy. You're long-winded. We got to move forward. Can I can I respond?
>> Yes, go ahead and respond. And I got the Paul coming in.
>> Thank you. Um, peace y'all. But um, see, he's he's misinterpreting the difference between the church and the university.
The university was not open to everybody. The university was open to white European men and only the ones that were of the clergy and the elite class. And it and in the early uh parts of education, you needed to learn Latin.
And you're not going to tell me that regular pet peasants all knew Latin because you don't get you know uh uh these type of uh uh books being translated into the English language into I think King Alfred right so that you needed to learn Latin to know a lot of these things and that was the opening of that that institution but in its infancy everybody was not okay okay okay to learn and and that was a major thing going throughout out the institution.
That's why people had to fight and be able to be to protest and be able to be in those institutions. And also, you you said something about how they were open to these to these spaces. No, they weren't. And that's why I brought up Galileo being um imprisoned in his home all the way until his death because of the things that he was talking about. He was talking about the sun being in the center of the earth and the church went against that. Uh Isaac Newton wrote about how he wasn't even a trinitarianism into trinitarianism and he wasn't into certain things about his religion but he kept it a secret cuz he knew that he would be ostracized by the church. So like you're ve you're being playing fast and loose with this interpretation of who was able to learn things and who was being kept out and the institution itself was a gatekeeping because that's where you get the the history of the male doctors coming into through the church through the institution and then you know relieving all of these women of their midwifery duties and it follows us all the way to America where it literally goes against the black women in their midwifery. And that's why, you know, our our bidwifery had all but disappeared, right? Because it was an institutional thing that only white men can do at the time. So, if you're going to tell the history of these places, you got to tell the entirety of the story. Don't make it seem like anybody could just go inside the university, cuz that's not true.
You're being disingenuous with the information.
>> All right? Nepal.
>> So, let me respond right quick.
>> No, no, no, no.
Brother A >> Nepal, you there?
>> Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me? Okay.
>> Yeah. You want to respond to some of this information?
>> Sure. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, peace everybody on the panel. Um, I absolutely agree with her. uh science science was first off philosophical thought and what we call science today were just all thrown together before the scientific revolution.
Um there was a lot of myth and everything in nature seen as divine and mystical and what happened with science scientific revolution is we we things became more mechanistic things became more uh systematic and it was clear-cut.
We have categories now for science. We have botany, you know, we have uh uh biology, different different veins of science. Get what I'm saying? Uh that help us to be able to use empirical evidence and uh bring everyone in.
Everyone in, not just white European men. everyone can come into science and follow the um the scientific method and that helps keep keeps that helps to keep things nice and tidy and neat. That doesn't mean that we don't have philosophy still. I mean, I'm sure easy bands when he if he breaks his leg or something, he doesn't go to the hospital and they start praying over his leg, he'd he'd get upset. He'd say, "What the hell? You're not going to give me an X-ray? They don't just You know what I'm saying? So, uh, what is Queen said is I I'm I'm just trying to cover it all. I was, this is my initial thing I was going to say is philosophy is still there. I'm excited that mainstream science univers the the science that's studied in universities they are sitting down with philosophers and they're talking about things like consciousness because you those are when we talk about things like consciousness then we're getting into the philosophical but science is studying it get it now science is like hey we want to know about consciousness we want to get some um some empirical data that can support the the ideas of consciousness and that's why they start in the brain.
So going back back around to what uh easy bands is confused about.
No, we didn't nobody had access to science besides old white men and there was there was no peer review not like what we know today. you can now come and sit down at a table and if you have the facts and you know what you're talking about and you can prove it through the scientific method, it doesn't matter who you are. One last thing, yes, women were dying. They were dying when they were uh and their information was being taken when they had things that worked like medicines and that is happening today right now with indigenous people. They take their information and they take their ideas and their and and the medicine that works and they exploit them. So, that's a that's an area where I could see where people are angry about mainstream science. But aside from all that, uh easy bands, do you have a problem with science being separated from uh nature being not seen as divine? Do you have a problem with that? Are you are you okay with us now having uh removing the divine mystical side of nature and having cut and dry empirical evidence?
You're all right with that, right? Or do you still want us to be able to do pray there's, you know, there's the Christian scientists. Do you want us to pray over sick people only? And uh because that's what you're doing when you go back before the scientific revolution. You're making nature mystical and and magical.
I'm just asking. Thank you.
>> Okay. So, so what I just explained, I think maybe you missed uh when I was talking about it, but I explained that, you know, that was part of how Christians were able to advance science is that they were able to separate science from uh religion. Okay? And the way that they were able to do that, especially the way the Greeks were doing it before and other people like Kemet is that a lot of times with the Greeks, they believe that nature was a god or were gods, right? You know, the the forces of nature, they would describe them as gods sometimes. And u with uh Christians, we realized or we knew through our theology that uh God exists outside of nature. He created nature.
So, you know, if you think about it, how can you calculate nature if you think that nature is God? Because God is supposed to be you're not going to be able to calculate God, right? You're not going to be able to do any scientific experiments on God because he's supposed to be outside of nature. But so, uh, Christians were able to do that. And so, um, I agree with that sentiment. I don't have a problem with, uh, uh, uh, separating science and religion because basically that's what we did as Christians. and we're the one introduced the modern scientific method. Now, to the sister right quick, if I if you just don't mind, I just want to respond to a few things she said and you said as well. You said basically that u there was no peer review, but that's uh absolutely false. There was peer review and that's one of the major points that um came out of the scientific out of the scientific revolution under the Christian paradigm. Okay. Now, um so let's talk about the first universities, right, that that came out in in Europe.
You guys are saying that they were not open to the public. But if we just ask chat GPT, I don't know if Santo wants to share my screen. It says, "Yes, many of the first European universities founded in Christian civilization were comparatively public institutions for qualified male students, though public in the modern universal access sense would be misleading." Okay. So the short answer, yes, they generally open. Yes, they were generally open beyond just clergy included laymen, lawyers, physicians, administrators, drew international students became centers of broad intellectual life. Okay. But I'll be I'll be honest with y'all. Access was limited by gender. So it was primarily male education level, Latin literacy, social class, resources, religious and political conditions. Okay, which is the same thing that happens today. Okay. Uh, major. Okay. So, now let me just go to one last thing. Isaac Newton. You guys are saying that no, he wasn't he didn't add, you know, science or he didn't speak on Christianity or whatever it may be. But that's false. Isaac Newton explicitly added theological reflections to later additions of his philosophy naturalis princip and the principia mathematica through the general scolium first added in 1713. I have some quotes from him. It says this most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets could only proceed from the council and uh dominion of an intelligent powerful being.
Another quote uh God is supreme uh creator. He is eternal and infinite omnipotent omnisient. He governs all things and and knows all things that are that are or can be done. Uh another one the word of God the word god usually signifies lord. It is the dominion of a spiritual being which constitutes a god.
Newton. So uh yeah. So blind metaphys blind. This is another one. He he he rejects pure mechanism. All right. Blind metaphysical necessity could produce no v no no variety of things. All right. I don't know if you guys understand that.
So he's saying blind metaphysical necessity could produce no variety of things. Okay. So this is clear evidence that Isaac Newton was a devout Christian and he had Christian thought and that's what he based his, you know, his science around. So he knew that God exists. He created nature and therefore he created mankind as well in his image and therefore we're able to understand nature because he created it. But uh I I'll land my plane there.
>> You just disagreed agreed with me. You said that you disagreed with me, but you literally just said everything that I said. I literally said that the the church discriminated against people who didn't speak Latin, right? You had to know how to speak Latin in order to be able to read their books and study. The church, the institutions, you know, had a hierarchy of who would be able to study. And you said that, you know, noblemen, lawyers, things like that.
Those are not peasants, right? People had open access to it. That's what I said. People had open access to it, but the people who were able to study were be the the information itself was being get gatekept only to European men who were, you know, of elite status. That's literally what I said. So, you didn't disagree. You actually confirmed what I said, right? And I also said that yes, Newton was a Christian, but he also didn't believe in the trinity. And a lot of the things that he didn't believe in, he didn't speak on outwardly because he knew how the church will respond. And you know who did? Galileo. Spoke on it outwardly. And he was arrested for the rest of his life. That's what I said.
So, I like how you tried to dance around what I actually said to try to disagree, but you absolutely agreed with me.
>> And can I can I reply to that?
>> Yes. Go ahead and reply.
>> Yeah. So, so um that wasn't the point at all. I I mean, I understand what you coming from, Isa Queen, but that wasn't the point of the question, their original question. The original question was what did Christianity contribute to science? And so, as an institution, I would agree that Christianity didn't contribute much. But if we talk about individuals, what he was what the thing that Easyb was pointing out was that people like Kepler and Galileo and Pascal, these were Christians and they contributed much to the scientific method and all that throughout the history because they were Christians, they grew up in a Christian society.
Even though some of them hid their Christian their uh their uh Christianity from the church because like you said the church gatekeep stuff. But we know I mean we know from Marima ani that you know from you yurugal that they was um chauvinistic society. So that is not that's nothing new at all. What your point is nothing new. So the question was what Christianity contributed to science. And to point out to try to say that that um the thing that we were saying earlier that you guys was trying to point out earlier was that um that uh separating religion from science. It benefited the Europeans because they had a different perspective and a different a different approach to doing science different than what people did in Africa different than African people. It was not the same. And again, Marima Ani pointed this out in Yurugu, their approach was completely different. It was a negative approach towards nature, earth and humans and animal life period.
And so trying to bring out the um how science started with with it with with the Arabs and them doing a scientific method and Kim they also had a scientific method called Retep the correct way of doing the science. It was they had a method and it lasted for 4,000 years. So to say that they didn't have a method, I think that's I think that's insane when we can see it over the years. We can see it through throughout the centuries of their civilization. They had a method of applying and doing mathematics and doing their uh uh medicine. They had a method of doing stuff just because they included their spirituality in their science. You will have to show me how that was a negative.
And no one yet has proven that that was a negative.
I don't understand why y'all keep bringing that up.
>> All right. Um, Yara, you there, Yara?
>> Yeah, I'm here.
>> All right. I gotta change it up a little bit. And you know me.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Different. Um, I got I I was just reading something and I got a little confused.
Hopefully, you can help me out with this.
>> You play too much.
>> Hopefully, you can help me out with this. In the book of Genesis one, it talks about in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Right?
>> But in the book of John, John contradicts that in the first chapter, book of John 1 and one, John said in the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word became flesh.
Can you help me out? Which one was in the beginning? Was the word God and God became flesh or was um God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning?
>> So in the be in the beginning what does it tell us right? It says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. How did he do that? It said that he spoke it into exist into existence. So in the beginning it was the word right? What word? The word of Yahweh. The word of God. Now, when you're studying that actual text in John 10:1, you're actually studying uh ancient, well, I ain't going to say ancient, but you're studying a Judeo philosophy, right? Of Phoo. Phoequote Jew, right? A Hebrew, right? Uh and he was enthralled uh with Plato and philosophy, right? And so in John 1:1 he says, "In the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word was with God." Well, that word word there is logos. And when you get into it, all it is saying that is in the beginning out of the mind of God. That's what logos means, right? And it's basic interpretation. The thought that comes out of the mind of God. So it's not a contradiction because we know in order for anyone to create or to devise something, it has to be a thought first. Right? So that's all it is. It comes from the thought or the mind of God. It's not a contradiction.
>> Okay. Okay. Everybody agree with that?
Do you son?
>> Uh yeah, pretty much so.
>> Okay. I got to look more into it. I got Arman Rod McCarthy in the building. Hey, Arman Rod, you know your son, your little son look just like you, brother.
Word is going.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That little man look just like you, brother.
>> Yeah, I got eight of them.
>> Yeah.
What's happening?
>> None. I I was I'm driving home so I won't be long. But was that Inter Queen on the panel?
>> Uhhuh. y'all been wanting to tell her.
You did a beautiful job against King J, sister. Um I mean I I don't see how I mean all the information you brought out about how women had to have ways to thwart oppressive men. You know that I mean that's it's obvious and that was ancient, you know.
I mean it was we we started everything in this world from from whether it was good or bad. And so you did an excellent job breaking that down. I mean, I know he he was saying that the feminism movement in America, yeah, that started with white women, but that's nothing compared to what we had already done.
And so I just want to let you know you did a beautiful job with that.
>> I appreciate you. Thank you so much.
>> Well, I've been hearing I've been hearing that Issa Queen killed him.
Yeah. I've been listening. People was telling me Isa Queen killed King Jay. I was like, "What?" Yeah.
Because men, you know, to my in my opinion, there's a ying and a yang to life, man and woman. And anytime you have too much ying or too much yang, you going to be out of balance. And so when men and religions and all kind of ways seem to overstep, all we have to do is submit to our women and our women will submit to us. It's automatic. You don't have to push. You don't have to push no boundary. You don't have to pump no check. If a real man submits to his woman, she can feel that he will die for her and she will automatically submit to him in her way. You submit to her and she'll submit to you. It's a ying and a yang. And so, ever since men try to overstep, sometimes they start to oppress our women. And our women have to come up with ways to deal with that oppression. and our women in ancient Egypt, like she said, had several ways of getting together to push back on the oppression of some of the matriarchical men. And so, uh, I mean, um, patriotical men. So, you know, that's obvious. I don't I don't see how if it was coming to the title of the debate, she kept that debate.
>> You know, he kept it. I mean, it was it was open and shut. You know, King Jay has some great points for the American feminism movement and how it did not include black people or black women. We understand that. But when it comes to human life, like I said, a lot of men overstep and oppress our women and try to shun them in a lot of areas of life.
And women will do what they need to do to push back on that oppression, and that's feminism all day long.
>> All right. Um, Rob McCarthy, question for you. Uh, what do you think about Easy Bands and Black Sage now saying that they agree with evolution?
>> Yeah, I I I I totally understand where they coming from.
>> No, no, no. In the creation of humans, they agree with evolution and the creation of man.
>> I didn't say that. I said I said, >> "Yeah, I said that."
>> I said that. I said Christians, some Christians believe in that. That's what I said. Like the C.
>> And then I asked you and you said yes.
>> I said no. I said that I personally haven't seen the evidence of that. So, >> okay. What about you, Yabra? You agree with evolution now? And in the making of >> I I agree with theistic evolution because evolution exists. It exists every day. We see micro evolution >> and the creation of humans. I'm saying do you believe in that evolution?
>> Yes. Yes. Theistic theistic evolution.
Yes. And I understand where Yahwa is coming from because he Yahwa is on a different level of the uh he was on a different level when he was explaining that yesterday. He was explaining those uh elements and all those things which they do turn back to the dirt. But the dirt consists of all of these elements which we all share on this earth.
>> But hold on. Labra said that God did not make us out of dirt. He said that.
>> I know. He said the elements, but those elements are in the dirt. You see what I'm saying? It's the same. No, >> not the elements are not in the dirt, brother.
>> Yes, they are, son. That >> everything on earth shares it same periodic table.
Everything on earth come from the same essence. And so and a fish because I know get some dirt. If I go outside and get some dirt and put it under the microscope and and and the science look at it, they'll find all the elements inside the dirt.
>> You're going to I can't tell you exactly the percentages, but I'm telling you, you got you got carbon, you're going to have you're going to have all of these different elements. Now, it might not be every single element in that one handful of dirt. So I don't you got to you got to get see bigger than what you're thinking. And he so I I agree with y'all when he was explaining that yesterday.
It was just totally on a different level. You know what I'm saying? And so um my my my theory is this. God is the author of life and science and science is the language on the pages. That's what I say.
>> God is the author of the book. God is the author of the book of life and science is the language on the page.
>> Okay, I stand I stand to be corrected.
There are elements in the dirt. You're right, Emma. You're right.
>> Yep.
>> I just Googled it, so you're right.
>> And it comes from the stars.
>> N now, now you messing up. No, >> it's true.
It does come from the stars.
>> Okay. Okay.
Yeah, this whole this whole universe is all at the same >> See, when I'm wrong, I I like to clear to let you know I'm wrong. That's what I do. I do that.
>> That's why when people say we're one with the universe, I don't argue that point because it's all in the process of I call theist evolution because they can't tell us a causality. They'll just tell you this expanse or this burst of energy just happened out of nowhere.
Okay, fine. So, but that gives me the door to talk about causality, right?
>> Uh we understand the laws of physics.
For every action, there's an equal and opposite reason.
>> But I I think I still got you um yra in easy bands because >> you feel me?
>> Hold on. Hold on. In the beginning was the earth and All right. And the earth was out was without forming. Where did the dirt come from? Yara, >> it came it. Listen, it tells you stardust, right, that we find in the earth. There's an actual meteorite.
Actually, I did a video on you, Sanetta.
You >> there was no stars yet, brother.
>> Listen, brother.
>> Where I got you at?
>> No.
Day. What day came the stars?
>> Sanetta. The stars. Sarnetta, the stars, the nebulas, all of those things existed pre-S solar. That means before the sun.
>> I know what it mean.
>> So we have So we have stardust that's older than our sun.
The sun is still a star. It's all it is.
Just a star.
>> And the sun is a baby when it compared to all the other stars in the universe.
The son is a baby.
>> Right.
>> Right. And I do and I do I'm reading the chat. I do claim that uh the Israelites or the people of that not just Israelites and I'm just saying it for the concept. They did know about the elements, right? They know about they talk about gold. They talk about minerals. As a matter of fact, if you talk about what's in the breastplate of the Hebrew of the Levites, those are minerals.
the burl, the synth, the the diamonds, those are minerals. What do y I don't understand why y'all keep saying that they didn't know things about elements and minerals. These things existed. We can find these things. Oxygen, air, these things are on a periodic table. We know these things, right? So, I mean, look, we share we share almost the same physical makeup composition of a banana.
>> How is that?
>> Yep.
>> How is that? So, we're not far we're not far from these uh uh we we're not far from the we're not so we're not really far from these things, right? It's not that big of a it's not that big of a stretch to say that we're all connected. It's just that at some point, not just religious people, but people in the science and in in in scientific people and atheist, they they they've they've convoluted, right, a lot of things. And I never said open minds uh that we are uh we that we are not that we are not uh uh composed of water, but that's just hydrogen and oxygen combined.
>> All right, let me get blackmail. Black Mill, you got a question. What are you talking about?
>> Yeah, bro.
>> Yeah. Bless and respect to the panel.
Um, give thanks, you know, for the scientific revolution still taking place as we speak. Um, yeah, y'all touched up on a lot of things. So you know um what I would say simply the earth ratio which is science is 70% water and the other is is is is earth according to the surface of the the planet the surface of the planet is 70% water and the planet earth itself is is is is fury. Your body which is our anatomy is the same thing 70% liquid and the flesh what we call the flesh is 30%.
So you are really earth not just dirt and elements but we are earth that's what the book is really saying but it's just in a metaphoric form you know.
>> Yeah. And Psalm 19 if you read Psalm 19 Psalm 19 is a whole astronomical psalm if you read it and you could understand it properly you know. So that's science there. Even even turning water into wine. It might be simple chemistry, but all that is still science.
Yeah.
>> Okay. Hey, Suntan, you've been sitting there for a minute. You got anything?
>> Uh, only thing I got to say is they see my presentation because um >> Yeah, you got a presentation coming, right?
>> Yeah, I got a presentation coming and it it debunks all that stuff what talk about. It's the true meaning of science, right? And not only >> Sant not not only that that not only do it had a tr the true meaning it it particularly t because I made sure to put in all the uh scholars and all the you know the scholar the scholar um sites you know this ain't none of my commentary. I just got me and when I when when I show my presentation, you'll say me me thinking of me talking to them, you know, because they trying to comandeer the they trying to commandeer the word science. So when you do that, that's when you make mistakes because there's many different types of scientists and I'm going to show that.
So they can come with all of that you're a nut and you but him and Cedric, they get ready cuz here I come. All right, there you go. There y'all have it. There y'all have it. I got my man coming out.
What's going on, Hercules?
>> Hey, brother Sar, can you um you can you answer this question for me? I think you have more experience with me with this than I do because you you were you said you were a Muslim before and um you was a Christian before, right?
>> Yeah, I was a Christian um first.
>> Yeah. So, it seems to me I'm just saying I don't know. It just seems to me that we have a lot of Christian and Muslim chameleons because every time the stuff that comes up, it seems like they always trying to they transform their spirituality that their religious belief try to match it to what African traditional science have always said, you know, that we are one with the universe. And so now they trying to come out with this stuff that oh we are all the same with the universe, you know, everything is the same and stuff. It's I've never heard that before until like recently. You know what I'm saying? It's it's never been like, you know, the Bible with science as well. You know what I'm saying?
>> That just means you don't get outience as well.
>> So, it's like all this information that you guys coming up with now, it's like y'all trying to match it once y'all hear that African spirituality, >> you know what I'm saying? Y'all trying to match it to match up to catch up to what we've already always been saying.
>> I mean, that's just what it seemed like to me.
>> Let me let me can I respond to my >> we are one. I'm saying that we everything is one. That's every African spirit everything is one. That's all it says that God is not separated from us.
That we are a part of the universe. We are a part of the the creator itself.
>> And now and you must they starting to piggyback on what said they saying stuff that we started to say.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, one thing that I think we need to start doing because Yah already admitted that man gave God the name Yah. Yahawah. Man named God. So that's cool and I understand that and I agree with Yara. But what we need to do cuz we don't know it it is. And I think we need to start calling it the it. Not Yahawah, not God, not Jesus. Let's call it the it. You know what I'm saying?
Easy man. Because we don't really know what it is.
>> Stephen King messed that up for you.
Stephen King called it the it.
Say that again.
>> I said Stephen King messed that up for you. You can't call it it.
>> Now you know why, Nepal? Because >> why?
>> We've been calling it the it for damn near over 25 years. On the street, we've been saying the it. And so on YouTube, we just we just stopped carrying it over here saying it. But we've been using that. We've been calling it the it. I could find some video on that.
call it the creator.
>> Yeah. Well, the thing with the name Sonetta is that the if we understand the names, right, or even naming conventions like the names from a human's mind when we give names or we name something is usually based on our experiences, right, and our observations with the thing, right? So >> just because it has a God has a name that is known to this group of people doesn't mean that he's a different God that has a different name to another different group of people. Y >> right >> because the environments are different.
Right? People that live by water will have a different name for God, right? Or that power than people who don't live by bodies of waters. Why? because their substance with who they believe that their god is supplying them with which is water doesn't exist in every culture right so that doesn't mean like for me I don't see a difference when you when you read the story of Patai >> versus the understanding of the god of the bible there are things that are different so olodum marare what y'all always try to correct me on I don't see the difference in that right I don't see the difference in that why because even if Ola Dumar you say doesn't deal directly with man, we still see that he actually does because he's manifested himself in different spirits, right? Or these other different deities that do deal with man. The Bible says the same thing. God has seven spirits, right? And they deal with him and these and he deals with man through these different spirits, right? So there's no difference for me in that concept, right? from culture from culture to culture.
>> And just to add to that, y just to the question that uh Elder Sanetta asked me, he said, um we should just call it the it. You know what the remarkable thing, Sanetta, is that that's literally almost the same name that he has in the Bible, Yahweh.
>> Go ahead.
>> You know what I'm saying? Because the it is basically you're talking about something that exists, right? And that's what Yahweh means. It it basically means exist. He who exists basically I am who I am. So the the premise >> let me ask you would you would you debate Nepal?
>> I I depends on the topic. Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. That's a good brother. Good brother.
>> But then the end of the day you know like I I I don't know if I I really want to debate Nepal to be honest.
>> Why? Why? Tell the truth.
>> Because I rock with her you know.
>> Yeah. So what? You can still rock.
You can still rock with her after the debate. I just don't want to beat you up though.
>> I mean, it's cool. I mean, for the people, we could debate something if it's a good >> Oh, yeah. No, but I don't know what what do you want to debate though? I mean, what do you mean, Senator? What do you want me to debate him?
>> Paul, he's a Christian. He believed Jesus is God. I mean, come on. There's a lot of stuff you could debate.
>> Oh, yeah. You you Yeah, you had that debate with Apostle, huh?
>> Yeah. But I'm g tell you, I wouldn't debate that either, Nepal, because um >> the Bible.
>> I agree with Easy B.
Oh, I would debate it, but yeah, I don't want to really watch this. Hold on. Easy B.
>> Do you Do you agree that Jesus that Joseph is the biological father of Jesus?
>> So, no, I don't believe he >> All right, that's all you got to say.
That's it. That's it. What about you, Nepal?
>> Uh, is Joseph the biological father of Jesus?
>> Yes.
>> No, I I believe in the um virgin birth.
Okay. Okay. There you go. I was hoping you don't say I was like, >> let me ask the Paul a question. Go ahead.
>> Le Paul, where did you get Cuz if I was a debater, I sure come at you, but I don't do that.
>> Oh, >> where did you get Jesus was the serpent?
>> I never heard that. I told you guys that um I got that from >> just looking at the scripture and then my mom taught me some stuff but then Son had said he was arguing with JJ. I think it was in 2020 >> he was arguing with JJ and then I was like yeah I remembered that the serpent didn't lie and then I just started doing my research >> and the more I did my research I saw that >> the representation of the serpent matches everything that Jesus represents in the New Testament. So that's how >> Oh okay. Just some food for thought cuz I don't I didn't I can't get I still can't wrap around that. I just didn't ling I know I just didn't linger on it but you know how could he be how could a serpent who trying to deceive you be Jesus? That's >> me take it even further than that.
>> Huh?
>> Let me I'll take it even further cuz it's an oxymoron to me.
>> Sometimes you got to let use your brain.
Yara and easy bands in the in the pot.
How come God never warned Adam and Eve about the serpent? Because they don't know nothing. They in the garden dumb as [ __ ] They didn't eat the fruit of knowledge yet. So they already dumbfounded. So how come God did not warn Adam and Eve? There's a serpent running around here. If the serpent come to you, be careful. Watch out. Stay back. DON'T GREET. DON'T FOLLOW HIM. SO GOD SET THEM UP. Basically blindsided them. You know what I'm saying? Come on.
Let me >> give He gave up some of the instructions.
>> What did he say?
>> He told him that tree of life wasn't God.
>> There you go.
>> I'm not talking.
>> That wasn't God though.
>> No.
>> Yeah. That was God. God gave him this.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Easy B. God did not tell Adam and Eve about THE GODDAMN SERPENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
why he didn't warn them about the serpent because they don't know. They dumb as [ __ ] They don't understand.
They don't know nothing.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. But if >> All right. Go ahead, Nepal.
>> Go ahead. No, you go ahead.
>> Yeah. So, if he like Elder Elder Suntan just killed it, man. Like, you know, I don't even kill it, MAN. COME ON, MAN.
>> Elder Suntan has been really impressing me recently, man. Like, he's on point.
But yeah, so at least he's objective, right? He's telling the truth. like um he it he literally gives them instructions. He gives Adam the instructions, right? And um and so when uh the the serpent comes into play, that's you know uh his >> where did he talk about the serpent to Adam and Eve.
>> But what I'm saying is that the serpent right allows what he his instructions to be tested. So like if he gives them if if he basically he could you could next ask like why didn't he just stop? Man, see I just That's why I said I'm the real Bible teacher up here, bro.
>> Can I answer the question, too? I mean, >> running around and stuff, man. Come on, man. Go ahead, Nepal.
>> Damn.
>> All right. So, the Elohim is not God. It is a council of whatever you want to say, governors, if you want to say, spiritual beings, whatever. They're a group of leaders. They're the rulers.
They're the creators. They're the governors. They're the They're the top ones. The serpent who was in Genesis 3 is a part of that council. So therefore, the council wouldn't rule, wouldn't wouldn't warn its creation of the council. The serpent is a part of the council that decides to break away. You can see that similarity in Enoch, book of Enoch. The serpent decides to not The serpent decides not to keep the people in the darkness. That's what Christ does with the Pharisees.
The serpent goes to mankind like Christ does. And says, "Don't listen to them.
They're lying. You can be God. You have to just be good judges like we are. You have to know how to rule like we do. You have to know good from evil. So that's why God air quotes didn't warn the mankind because the Elohim is not the almighty unfathomable unfathomable God.
Just like we we know they are a council.
It is Elohim. It is plural. They are the creators. In Psalms, you can see they're cheering on uh each other or cheering on what we know as Yahweh in the creation.
So, it is a group of beings. We need to stop saying that's God. That is not God because, and I'll park my car cuz I'm trying to drive this home. They lie. God does not lie. They lie to the people.
>> They lie to them. They lie to them.
Thank you. They they like cuz at the end of chapter 3 they say, "Oh, damn. Now the people are going to be like us.
They're going to be rulers. They're going to know how to they're going to know good from evil. They're going to be gods." So that's not the almighty unfathomable God. That is a group of ruler gods and creators that didn't want mankind to know how to be like them. But there was a a breakaway from that which was the rebellious serpent who Jesus was rebel. He's known as the rebel of all time.
>> All right, let's let's get on track.
Okay, thank you.
>> The Elohim Nepal are those a group of men or what?
>> Uh for the story it doesn't say it says create us let us create them in our image male and female. So it is >> was the Elohim of men.
>> I just said no because it said let us create them in our image male and female.
>> So was the male and female >> So was the Elohim a group of gods.
>> Yes. They that's what they were.
>> Okay. And they were also they were creators.
>> They were creators. They were the the governors. They were the ones that that organized everything in the earth.
>> Thank you. So I thought Yahawah was the only creator >> cuz God said I did this. I have no helpers. I did this alone. I created this. I created good. I created people with nobody helping me. See man's agreeing with me.
>> First off, >> hold on to Paul. I'm talking. So what I'm saying is if you saying that there was already a group OF GODS, THEN SOMETHING SOMEBODY'S LYING HERE CUZ GOD SAID I DID THIS ON MY OWN. AND NOT ONLY THAT, God don't work with a GROUP OF GODS. WHY? BECAUSE HE SAID I AM A JEALOUS GOD. DON'T WORSHIP NO ONE BUT ME. DON'T LISTEN TO NO ONE BUT ME. SO WHY DIDN'T GOD DESTROY THIS GODDAMN ELOHIM? IF GOD IS THE ALL, THE ALMIGHTY, THE ALL ONE, WHY IS HE WHY HE GOT THESE OTHER GODS CREATING [ __ ] >> OKAY, there's a group of gods. There's a group of gods and even you use the scripture when God says, "Who wants to go down and do this and that?" So, even you use that.
>> We're not going to play like there was only one. There's a heavenly host. And I anybody who's a Christian agreeing with that there's no heavenly host, shame on them because they know there is. There is always hierarchy. There there's always hierarchy.
>> I didn't interrupt you. There's always a hierarchy.
>> And who's the >> group of God?
>> What?
>> Who's the hierarchy?
>> The hier There's always a hierarchy.
Meaning there's always >> Who's the hierarchy?
>> No. No. What do you mean who's the hierarchy? There's always There's always a hier There's a hierarchy.
>> Why are you cutting me off? I don't know.
>> There's always a hierarchy, meaning there is always a group that is one, but there's a top one, a a second in command. There's always a group >> higher than God, higher than the most high.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. You asked me about the Elohim. Okay, let's stay on that one.
>> Always the hierarchy. And I'm asking you, who is the hierarchy? That's what I'm ASKING YOU. YEAH, I'M NOT that's not the word is hierarchy. It's not hierarchy. The word is hierarchy and it means a it means a ranking and levels.
It's not a hierarchy. It's a hierarchy.
There's rankings. There's a top one like in the like in the in the service there's there are generals. Uh I think colonels uh you know what I mean?
captains.
Forgive me if I if I didn't do it in right order, y'all, but there's always rankings >> like Most High and Almighty, all these.
>> No, no, no, no. Stay out of me. I don't want you.
>> So, so the point that I'm making is >> The point that I'm making is you you even know that there's a group. There's a heavenly host. There's all different rankings.
So, when you say, "Oh, the Most High said I do this and that." That's true.
There's one most high God, but within the body of the most high, there are rankings of other heavenly beings.
That's all through scripture. So, sorry.
Yeah, there there there's rankings.
>> So, Nepal, let me ask you, Nepal, does the Most High have partners that he work with?
>> I didn't say partners, I said ranking.
>> Listen, THIS IS A QUESTION. THERE THERE THE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT Yahawah and and you're talking about the the the God of the Bible that we're talking about the Most High in the Bible has no partners. The Most High has heavenly host infinite number. Wait, wait, what?
Let me No, let me finish. The Most High has an infinite number of workers that do whatever the Most High commands.
>> So, so, >> okay. No, no, Easy B. Hold on. I'mma pass it on. So, I'm asking you again, do the Most High works with the Elohim and create with the Elohim?
>> Does the Most High create with the Elohim?
>> Yes. Do they work together?
>> Okay. If you're talking about the the God that is outside of the Elohim, you're talking about what I call the unfathomable God. The most high that's the most high who works with no one.
>> Okay, >> that is the highest of all high >> creator. Who is the creator of everything?
>> The creators in the earth are the Elohim, a group of of serpentlike shining beings in the Bible.
>> So you're saying >> when I say serpent, I don't mean they're actually servant. I mean like shining beings. Are you saying that there are gods who are the Elohim who do the creation in the earth?
>> Yes.
>> Oh wow.
>> Not just the earth the entire whatever we know as you know the universe everything >> we learned everybody is that Yahawasha Yahawah is not the only creator. There's other creators. Now Paul is nothing creator. See, so God, the Bible, the Bible's son or the Bible says that.
>> Let me finish. Let me finish. The Bible does now. Yeah. The Bible also says that God is the only creator. So now we know that God is a lion ass on the planet that creates. Okay? So there matter of fact, it was the Elohim gods who created Adam and Eve. YAHAWA HAD A GODDAMN THING TO DO WITH IT ACCORDING TO NEPAL.
>> OKAY. WELL, ACTUALLY, SONETER, you you you can you can you don't have to put words in my mouth. I'm right here. I'm not trying to I'm actually using the scripture. I'm not trying to um get people's listen. I'm actually using the scripture. No, no, you don't you don't know the scripture well enough or you or you wouldn't be saying >> the most high s I'm trying to you use me. You said according to Nepa, you always start getting upset when I start to come in. It's weird. Come on. It's the toughest environment. Let me speak.
Let me speak. The scriptures, notice I'm only using scriptures. Say that Jesus was there in the beginning during the creation. So the most high had others there during creation.
That's not a you. So, you didn't like crack any coconuts and and aha moments.
There were other creator gods. The Bible says that that there that that Jesus was there during the creation. Jesus was creating alongside of everyone else in a hierarchy.
>> All right. Um >> Okay.
>> You're you're my boo boo, so I'm not going to do this.
>> No, no, it's not about being a boo boo.
I want you to find Hey, can you counter that? Can you count?
>> Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'd rather get Yara and Easy Bands. You're my boo boo, so I'm not going to do this live on the air. I rather get Yara and Easy Bands.
>> You know, that's so disrespectful.
Everybody, I want to talk to everybody about this. When when I start getting him in the scripture, they they all He does it just like everybody else. Now, I'm your boo boo that you can't counter that.
Show me where Jesus wasn't creating alongside Yahawah. You're the one that wanted to come up here and say, "Oh, I THOUGHT THE MOST HIGH WAS THE ONLY CREATOR." THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THE MOST High was the only creator. It says Jesus was there with the Most High. So, obviously, the Most High wasn't the only creator.
>> Anything else?
>> Can I Can I just >> Yeah, come on in, Easy Band.
>> All right, cool. Yeah.
>> So, I I'll just read a few verses right quick just to see what you think about them. So, Isaiah 44:4, it says, "Thus says says the Lord, your redeemer, who formed you from the womb.
I am the Lord who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself. Um Isaiah 45:12, I made the earth and created man on it.
It was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their hosts. So that's the Elohim that you're talking about supposedly.
>> Uh >> oh, wait. You cut yourself.
>> Read it again. You Yep. No, read it again.
>> So it says cut yourself.
>> Yeah. So it says, "I made the earth and created man on it. It was my hands that stretched out the heavens and I commanded all their hosts."
>> Oh, so you just cut yourself. Of course, I said there is only one power, but there are the Elohim worked through that power and that power uh commanded those Elohim, which is all the host. Cut, cut, cut. Anything else? So let me so let me show you how it's not a cut cut because it's talking about creation and it doesn't mention that the hosts were creating anything. It doesn't mention it doesn't say that he commanded the host to create anything. He said I did it with my own hands. I stretched out the heavens. I created man.
>> Read it again. Just read it again.
>> All it says is I >> No, read it for the people again because you tried to confuse them. Read the whole scripture again.
>> All right. But let me read and then explain. I made the earth and created man on it. It was my hand that stretched out the heavens. So I made the earth and created man on it. He did that. So you talking about the Elohim?
>> You didn't read the whole scripture.
>> Hold on, Nepal. Hold on. You saying that uh the Elohim created man is false because it's saying that I made the earth and created man on it. So >> read the scripture. It was my hand.
>> It was my hand that stretched out the heavens and I commanded all their hosts.
>> Oh, okay. There you go. The most high God is a everything in the earth is a manifestation from the unfathomable God.
Everything in the earth that is the hand you're you moving right now is the hand of God. The Elohim, which is in the scripture, created this earth through the hand of the unfathom unfathomable.
You know, that's a tongue twister for me. The outside god that we can't even name. Once we name that God, it is no longer the unfathomable God. So that God does everything through us. We are manifestations of that God.
>> Hold on. So I I have a bunch of these I want to read, but just on that. All right. You're adding to that. Nowhere on there does it say that I commanded the the hosts to create man and the earth or whatever. You're adding that to yourself. He commanded all the hosts. It says that God creates first then commands heavenly host. They are not co-creators. So he created everything first and then commanded him just like he commands us to do certain things, ten commandments, etc. So right there it says in plain English, I made the earth and created man on it. So, your claim about the Elohim doing that is false.
Let's go to Nehemiah 9:6.
>> No, no, don't go to Nehemiah. Get back to that scripture. Get back to that scripture.
>> Go read that last part where No, read the whole scripture and let's get that part at the end where you're lying.
>> Okay. I'm Okay, let's see who's Go ahead. Get it.
>> Let's see who's adding.
>> No, I'm not adding. The scripture says it.
>> I'm adding. So, this is what it says, right? It says, "I made the earth and created man on it." The earth. It was my hands. Huh? Not the Elohim's hands.
>> Yeah. My hands.
>> Stop. So, it wasn't the Elohim's hands.
>> It wasn't the Elohim Elohim's hands, right? It was God's hands. The the most high creator. It was my hands that stretched out the heavens. He's talking about him personally. and I command all their hosts.
>> So it's basically saying I commanded all their hosts just the same way he commands us. He has we have the ten commandments and multiple other commandments that we have. Same way he commands the hosts, right? It's not talking about co-creators here. That's not what >> does Genesis 1:1 not say Elohim where it says God.
>> So hold on, hold on. You you the thing with Elohim, right? It's just a term.
It's a title.
>> Just yes or no?
>> So it does say that. But the term Elohim, you're misunderstanding the title. All right. The term Elohim is just basically a title to talk about like heavenly beings or something like that. Metaph physical beings. And I think at one point of time, I think even there might be a one two humans that might have been called an Elohim as well. I'm not too sure on that. Don't hold me to that. But it's just a title.
>> We talk about the Hebrew text and it should be consistent with what you're saying. You sound like a Christian apologist right now. And the P is actually correct.
>> I I don't get it, brother. Like how do I sound like like you guys just like you have this just whenever I'm speaking it's just oh he's Christian so whatever he's saying is wrong like it doesn't make sense I just described to you what the term Elohim means it's not talking about uh >> so why does it say in the beginning >> because it's using it in the singular form not plural in Genesis 1 now leave >> y don't know >> where is it using it in a singular form Elohim singular now >> look it It's easy.
It's a concretization, but the singular form is a it's a >> it's used in a singular form and we can see in context when it's easy.
>> So in Genesis 12 us, it is a debate. In fact, they debate that.
>> It does say us.
>> It's not.
>> They just want they want it to be one God because it makes them feel better about the church.
>> Sular.
>> Then why WHY DO WHY IS IT in plural? Why is it plural if it's singular?
>> No, listen.
>> Listen, listen. It's one body. Just like I say, a troop can be singular. Yara, a troop can be singular. A group can be singular, but it is more than one within it. So, stop playing with me. Okay. So, it is singular. Like I said, IT IS PL IT'S PLURAL. THERE'S NO no right >> excuse me sir sir sir when I talk about an army of of of when I say an army it's singular there's a there can be a thousand within it >> the Elohim >> anyway I just killed I just cut you so you're cut >> anything you don't know what you're talking about >> I got to kind of agree with you because of heavenly host >> if you LOOK AT IT >> YES thank you suntan it's a a heavenly host.
>> Hebrew word for host >> Genesis. The word for host and that verse he read is Shab.
>> Yeah, brother is a heavenly host.
>> Genesis 1 vers1 reads, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, right? It's the plural form of >> in the King James translation." Sure.
>> 1 verse one. I mean, not plural. Sorry, >> it is plural. You were right.
>> It's plural.
>> No, it's not.
>> No, it's not. It's a singular.
>> It is plural. I mean, it's a singular creator statement. You can look that up if you want.
>> No, it's a plural. Listen, let's do this. There there are parts of the Bible. Yeah. No. Anyway, that doesn't bother us, yara, cuz you you're all over the place. You talking like people who Hey, listen. Easy bands. Easy bands.
Even in the translation. Easy bands.
Easy bands. Even in the translation to English, like someone just said, it says, "Let us go." Okay? It doesn't say, "I will go or let me go." It says, "Let us do this."
Okay? So, all this stuff that you're trying to say that it's not plural, it's clearly plural in the Hebrew because it's Elohhe.
And then when you talk about in the singular form in the pro in the um in the uh text, it's talking like as if what I I would say an army or a group.
>> Okay.
My Elohim.
>> Yeah. So that's where the singular comes from. But in the English translation, I'm going to park my car Y so you can get you can speak you can speak freely in the in the in the English form. Yara, I'm going to let you Yara I'm going to let you have the mic in a second. I'm just going to say this last part. I'm gonna Yes, I am going to let you have the mic. Listen, I'm going to let you have the mic in a second. You're talking over me.
>> I'M FINISH.
>> YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING OVER ME. Y Okay, calm down. Have some decorum for once in your in your raggedy ass life.
>> Yo yo yo, >> I was talking any man. Y don't know HOW TO TALK WITHOUT being rude and disrespectful to each other, man. Y'all got to stop that, man.
That's why I don't like Y'ALL TALKING TO EACH OTHER. I don't like that. Don't talk to him. Yara, don't talk to her.
Just deal with us, man. Come on. Y'all don't know how to have a conversation without getting like >> Okay, first off, as my husband, you should have been paying attention. I was speaking freely and he came in disrespecting me. I didn't disrespect him. So, you shouldn't have done that to me.
>> You shouldn't have done that to me.
>> YOU COULD ROLL BACK THE tapes on that.
>> Okay. Number one disrespect.
>> No. No. Number one, I'm speaking and I'm being disrespectful because you're trying you're trying to take I said I said nicely.
>> I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I said nicely. I will hand the mic over and then I got disrespected.
So, let me finish. In the text, it's singular because it's talking about the group of people or or whatever they are beings.
It's clearly in the Hebrew plural Elohim.
And then if if you referred to what he was saying, it's talking about a group, which a group would be known as singular. Get it? But it's a multiple multiple multiple beings in that Elohim.
And then even in the English translation, they call themselves us. Let us make them. Let us do this. You're not going to scoot past that.
>> Address that, please.
>> Okay. Can I share my screen real quick, soneta?
>> All right.
>> Yeah. Hold on. Hold on for one minute.
Um, yara, I want to ease the ease the tension. I want to let Easy Bang go and then I'mma come with you, Yara. Go ahead, Easy B.
>> Yeah. No doubt.
>> All right. Cool. So, let me let me just explain. So, >> can you talk to us? Um, yara, that's it.
>> All right. Go ahead.
>> All right. Bet. So, let me just read something for you. Genesis 1 verse one.
The Hebrew word Elohim is grammatically plural in form but is used with singular meaning when referring to God of to the God of Israel. Now this is how they know that because the word barah is a singular verb.
>> So because the singular verb shows the subject is understood as one god not multiple gods on that part. Now I read you uh uh many verses right that basically show that God is claiming him alone the most high he's claiming that he created he made the earth this was Isaiah 45 verse uh 12 I made the earth and created man on it so it wasn't nobody else it was him that made uh created the earth and made man so you know when we go we go to Isaiah it's basically expounding on what you see in Genesis there's other verses Nehemiah 9:6, you are the Lord alone. You alone, you have made heaven, you uh the heaven of heavens with all their hosts, the earth and all that is on it. So, it's talking about the most high God, he created the heaven of the heavens with all their hosts. He created everything, all that. Uh Genesis 1:1, which I already wrote the Psalms 33:6, uh by the word of the Lord, the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth, all their hosts.
>> All right? So he committed their creation. Uh Psalms 96:5, for all the go for all the gods of the peoples are worthless idols, but the Lord made the heavens.
>> Uh John 1 vers >> No, no, no. Paul, no. No. I'm going to y I was talking to him first off. Ser, don't do me like that. I Yara jumped in.
>> I want to ask you easy bands. Can you just quickly answer a question for me and then you can move on to Yara? Let me ask you a question. Why is it plural?
Why is it plural?
>> Because >> you went to the when you first what? Why is Elohim plural? You admitted that it is. Why?
>> For me as for me as a Christian, I have my views. Of course, I believe in the trinity, right? So, you know, there is it's one creator, but there's different persons with within the creator. So, that's one of that's what I would think would be the reason for them describing it in a plural form. But there's also like uh royalty as we know. They'll just uh they'll basically describe themselves as a royal we, right? You hear that in in in language all the time. And so, but then the bar is a singular verb. All right? Meaning that it's only one thing that is creating, not many things that are creating. But let me just finish this right quick. John 1:3. All things were made through him, and without him was not made anything that was made. All things.
>> Who are you talking about?
>> That's John 1:3. All things were made.
But who are you talking about though?
>> The most high.
>> Oh, so John is talking about the most high, not Jesus.
>> Jesus to me as a Christian, Jesus is the most high.
>> See, see, and you said I'm adding. Can we stick to the scripture? And I mean, can we stick to the text?
>> So, John 1. So, John one. So, hold on.
John 1 verse one, right? What does it say? It says uh in the beginning was the word. The word uh what does it say? The word was uh the word was with God and the word was God.
>> Show us the grammar in the Greek how that should be translated.
>> And and wait a minute real quick. So easy bands, you just cut yourself again.
I thought God was the only one doing all the creation. So now Jesus and God were doing the creation.
>> So So no, you you see you just cut yourself because you you're not listening. It says in the beginning was the word. The word was with God and the word was God.
>> Got it? Yes. We know the the God God is everything.
>> So the word was >> God is everything, right?
>> No.
>> No.
>> No. So So you don't you don't you don't believe that God and Jesus are separate in any they're all one and they're not distinct at all in in that particular scripture. Hold on. In the scripture you just read. Is Jesus distinct from God?
In the scripture where it says in the beginning was the word. That's one thing.
>> And the word was with God. Those are two things, right?
>> Uh-huh.
>> So, so you agree, right?
>> Hit him with the third one. Let me hear the third one.
>> No. Oh, and okay. And, and yes, Jesus was God. Guess what? You cut yourself.
You know why?
>> The Elohim, the Elohim are the hand of God. Don't you get it? YOU SAID GOD WAS ALONE.
>> NO. NO.
>> It says that they're plural. It says that they're plural. And then it says, "But guess what? THEY WERE TOGETHER, God and the word, but they were all God."
Now, back to what I said. The hand of God is the Elohim. You're cut now. You could go ahead and clean up that blood.
>> Stop. Stop. Everybody stop. Everybody stop.
>> All right.
>> If that's true, who created the Elohim?
Who created Hold on. Yeah.
>> Who created who created the other gods on the planet? Who created it?
>> Thank you, sir.
>> The the unfounded created the God of all the God of all gods created those gods. And let me and let me tell you why.
>> No, hold on. Who created the gods?
>> I just told you the God of all gods created that God. And throughout the scripture it is shown that the Elohim, the host of heaven come from the top one and only God. Everything manifest.
You asked me a question. Where'd they come from? Let me let me answer you. Let me help you.
>> No, I could BE LONG- WINDED. EVERYBODY ELSE IS, but you DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. You said who created them. You can look you YOU CAN LOOK OUTSIDE the Bible and see stories that match the Bible. It says that they came from one God and they came here to create. Okay, those are Babylonian stories and other stories. the Christian story, the biblical story, there is one God that is outside of all the gods that they came from. And then when you look in THE BOOK, IT SAYS THAT GOD CREATED THE WHOLE HOST OF HEAVEN, which is the Elohim. So the the God that's outside of all gods, the one that says, "I created everything." The one when easy bands went and grabbed the scripture and said, "My hand alone."
All of you sit up here talking about, "OH, I WORK THROUGH GOD." WE JUST HAD EASY BANDS coming in talk about nature and God. I'm gonna park my car. I'm gonna I I will be long-winded because I don't get up here enough to bust your PINATAS OPEN.
>> THE GOD THAT HE JUST CAME UP AND SAID God is nature and all of this. All of you always TALK ABOUT GOD IS THIS, GOD IS THAT. And then when we SAY THE ELOHIM IS GOD, OH NO, that's not God. The other God hand. God is everything according to that book. He does everything. There's only one God and they come from that God. Now I can grab some scriptures for you while you guys try to clean that up.
>> So there's one God.
>> So I know can you share my screen?
>> No. No. Hold on. Hold on. So see I come with the realism is a man.
>> That's what I'm coming with facts and the questions that I ask is not getting answered. So here's my question again.
Not to you Nepal maybe to someone else who can answer Harwin because Harwin agrees with Nepal. So Harwin who created and just answer the question who created the Elohim because at the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word was with God. There's no Elohim yet. There's no Elohim nowhere. Who created the Elohim?
>> Elleon, the most high. So when she said, >> I was gonna say Llon. Thank you.
>> Brother, you already answered it. You already answered it.
>> No, he got it. He got it. He got it.
>> Let me So you saying heroin that the Elohim also creates in the universe with God >> according to according to Genesis 1:26.
Yes. And the word is Asha. And I want I want easy. No, hold on. No, no, no, no, no.
>> TOLD YOU WHERE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CREATE.
>> But also say, >> listen to me. Listen. I'm going to go to the straight to the Hebrew because y'all have a good point in John 1:1, but John 1:1 and the King James version is mistransated. When you look at modern, I know Easy B is going to hurt you. But when you use Genesis 1:1, this is where I slightly disagree with Nepal. Only a little bit. In Genesis 1:1, Easy Bans makes a good point when he says the verb is in a singular. So that's why the word Elohim and that that specific verse is now singular. But when you go to Genesis, yes, when you go to But that's one of the Elohim, not that is the most high. It never says that. So when you go to Genesis 120, we going to prove it with the Hebrews. Stay close with me, easy bands. When you go to Genesis, when you go to Psalms 82:6, we see we see Elohim.
>> Then when you go when you go Okay. When you go to Genesis 1:26, the verb there is in a plural form. Thus, the word God in this verse is now plural. So that's why it says us.
And the word that is ash, it is a plural verb. So the verb and the nouns work together. That's how you know if the word Elohim is singular in that context or plural. And you see it in singular in Psalms 82:6 when it says, "I have said ye are gods." The word there is Elohim.
But all of you are children of the most high. That says Elohim.
>> All right. Harin. Harwin, is God flesh, human flesh like us?
>> Again, Psalms 82:6 answers that question.
>> No, brother. Just answer me.
>> God, I agree. I agree with what you said about 30 minutes ago when you said we should call it a it. I would just say is. But >> is is God human flesh like us?
>> We are because we're called Elohim. It's in Psalms 82:6.
>> I said I said the God.
>> God is all. God is to now Paul's point.
God is No, brother.
>> I'm just saying I'm answering IT TO PLAY FLAT OUT. THE MOST HIGH IS it's unfathomable. It all is. It just is.
>> It is what?
>> It's all It just is.
>> His flesh, right?
>> No, it just is. So, all things me then, brother. Stop.
>> Here's the question on the board. Is God human flesh? Now, look the answer. Yes or no? Which one you going to mark?
>> You talking to me? Yes, sir. The word God is in.
>> You're not answering me, brother. You're not answering me.
>> Let me answer.
>> No, you're not answering me. It's only Is God human flesh? Yes or no? That's the >> I clearly said we are Elohim and so yes, we are, but we come from the most high.
>> Listen to me.
>> No, it's not that simple though. No, no, no. We not We can't do that. We cannot do that. It's It's not that simple.
Y easy man.
>> Is God a human?
>> Easy man.
>> Is God what?
>> Is God human?
>> John 11:14 he is.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you, man.
>> But that's NOT A CONTRADICTION. I SAID YES. I SAID CUZ WE ARE ELOHIM. We also in the flesh. That's why I'm telling Easy Bas.
No, he not.
>> No. No, you're not. You're a Christian apologist. I get it. I understand. But listen, what are you? What are you?
>> Come on, fam.
>> Listen to what I'm saying.
>> What are you?
>> Listen to First of all, I'm answering a question to why I'm agreeing with Napa.
So, first I need you to answer my question. First, I need you to answer.
Easy, let him go.
>> No, no, no. You need to answer my question first, Easy Bands, about Genesis 126. Why is the verb in the plural form? The word.
>> Thank you.
>> No, wait. Y, don't help him. Y >> easy. Y hold up. Easy B.
>> Show you why you wrong.
>> In Genesis 126, why is the word nessa for from the root asha in the plural form real quick?
>> Yra, stop, bro. Let him go. Let him let him stand on that mountain by himself.
>> Tell me what to do, bro.
>> I respect you, bro. Let me I'm asking him a question respectfully. Yra, you can you can go after him.
>> Come on, y Come on. Easy B. You want to answer or no?
Why is the word asha in the plural form in Genesis 1:26?
>> I already answered this. Now, Paul already asked me, but you probably missed it, so I answer it again. All right. I, as a Christian, I believe in a trinity.
>> We're not talking about your belief. We talk about according to the Hebrew text and Hebrew grammar.
>> Hebrew grammar, son. He got to answer with Hebrew.
>> I'm answering you, bro. Relax. I'm answering you. I believe in a trinity.
So, in a trinity, that means that there's a Godhead. All right? There's the father, the son, and the holy spirit. So when it's saying we let or or let us, that's who is communicating with each other. It's the godhead itself.
Bro, >> that don't say that in Hebrew. I said use Hebrew grammar.
>> Trinity.
>> So hold on. In in in in Genesis, you see the spirit of God hovering over the waters. You see uh you see uh also you see him you see God appear in the in the garden.
>> You're not answering my question. Using the Hebrew grammar, bro.
>> The trinity right there, bro. No, you're not. You're not answer. You use the Hebrew grammar. Use No, it's not. That's not That's not quantum physics. What you explaining going over your head?
>> WHAT YOU EXPLAINING? IT'S NOT quantum physics. It's not hard at all. We understand.
>> Brother Harwin. Harwin, real quick. Real quick, Harwin, >> go ahead.
>> Hey, Harwin, you know what? If you ask Yara about the trinity, I bet money he's going to go against you against easy.
Infinity. Can you go deflected? But hold on. Let me >> No, I'm not deflecting. You deflected easy cuz you have not answered my question yet.
>> Your question is ridiculous. Setta, >> no it's not.
Why are you doing that?
>> Can you share my screen, please, brother?
>> Um, I'm not sharing no screens. I want y to go and y address the audience. Not Nepal, NOT NOBODY.
>> NO, NO, NO. IT'S ALL RIGHT. It's all good. Y is my brother. Y my brother.
>> Hey, check it out. Check it out. Let's hear Paul.
>> He's going ahead.
>> Yeah. The question I'm I'm I'mma address Harin and show him why he's incorrect.
And we're going to use the Hebrew grammar. Uh can you share my screen please? So I >> being scared y.
>> Okay. So in Genesis 126, this is where we are just so you can see it.
>> Yeah. Go to the word right there highlighted.
>> Hold on. Hey bro, listen. I don't need your mouth right now. You ain't got to do none of that. I got you. This Genesis 1:26, right? Watch this. Right. First of all, let's establish this. This is the same word in Genesis 1:1. And God is singular. Elo using Elohim in a singular sense. Now, when you get to said, right, this is this God. He's doing he's performing a an action here, right? He's saying something. What is he saying? He said, "Let us make." Now watch this.
When you go to this word that's highlighted that you've been harping about, this is how you understand the Hebrew grammar, right? So here's the word. It's a verb he's speaking in the quail stem, right? Shout out to anonymous Hebrew. In the quail stem, the type is imperfect, right?
>> But how do we know it's only talking about one God? Because it's in the first person. M >> so when you speak So when you speak in the first person you're speaking of yourself. Anybody agree with that?
>> Yes I do.
>> Mic one mic brother.
>> He asked me a question.
>> Yeah.
>> Listen bro. When you speak in the first person that's you speaking of yourself.
That's you speaking.
>> That is not true. You could >> that's not true. Yo yo >> no. I don't want everybody speaking.
Just let him go.
>> Stop muting me.
>> Stop cutting in.
>> I'm not.
>> Put people in the back next time. That's all. Go ahead. Y.
>> So here it is. Right. Definition is right here at the bottom. The definition of the first person. The first person form of a form refers to the person or person's writing or speaking.
>> Who's speaking? Right here. Who's speaking?
>> Senator, let me go after him. He just said first person or persons. IT'S IT'S EITHER OR.
>> OR PERSON SPEAKING.
>> YES, CUZ IT'S PERSONS. It's multiple.
>> It's first person plural.
>> IT'S FIRST PERSON PLURAL. LOOK AT THAT RIGHT THERE. IT'S TELLING YOU RIGHT THERE, Y'ALL.
>> HE doesn't even know that first person CAN BE WE.
>> FIRST PERSON CAN BE WEED. BRO, you tripping.
>> Oh my god. Embarrassing.
>> Can I finish my statement?
>> WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S ONLY ONE PERSON SPEAKING HERE. IT TELLS US RIGHT NOW.
NO, it don't.
>> So, who is the us right there?
Let me go after please.
>> Wait y can I tell you something that anytime please >> yo let y finish have been finished THEN I WOULD HAVE LET Y'ALL KNOW BUT Y'ALL KEEP COMING.
>> I JUST WANT TO GET I want to get finished first.
>> It's right here and I show it. It's very simple. In Genesis 1:26, this is the same God that's speaking, right? Elohim, the singular form. It's the same. It's not different. It doesn't change. From Genesis 1 to Genesis 1:26, it's still one person speaking.
>> Yep.
>> And that one person is doing what? How we know it's speaking? Because it says Amar. It says he said, right? He said, "Let us." Now, watch this. when he says let us right here >> is still the first person. Now this why I read the definition >> and y'all still don't get it right. This why I question y'all y'all education first person.
>> Yo let him finish brother so he don't start over and then y gota wait.
>> He already started over TWICE CUZ Y'ALL KEEP INTERRUPTING ME.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. That's >> I have not interrupted this. Just >> let him go. Come on.
>> It says the first person form of a term refers to the person singular or persons writing or speaking. Now in the context of this speaking, in the context of THIS SCRIPTURE, THIS VERSE, THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON SPEAKING.
>> YES, SIR.
>> NOT PERSONS.
>> YES, SIR.
>> OKAY.
>> All right. You done? Okay. Can I go now?
>> Go.
>> Yeah. Harin, I'm I'm just going to say you're right. But look at how he came in. We need to point out this. The way he said he was going to prove us wrong is he used the word he he doesn't know that first person is we or us. So go ahead, Harwin.
>> Y can you put that back on the screen for us, please? That exact same.
>> Okay. Sean, put his screen back up cuz he tried to skim over that. Put it back up.
>> Facts.
Embarrassing >> because the f the first person can be seen. use singular or plural. And it says it right there. It says definition of first person. It says the first person form of a term refers to the person and then it got a s for or persons writing or speaking. How do we know it's person? This is why the the verb now modifies or the noun now modifies the verb and now that Elohim is plural. The same law is used in Genesis 1:1. Which is why I initially agreed that yes, in Genesis 1:1 that is a singular form of the Elohim. Then I gave an example of it being used in a plural in Psalms 82:6. That's why I went right back to this verse in Genesis 1:26. The the verb here is in a first person singular or plural and it can be used for person or persons. But in this context, because of the Hebrew grammar because of the verb is in a plural, that Elohim is A GROUP. THAT'S WHY THEY TRANSLATED AS US. YOU TRIPPING.
>> BOMB DROP. BOMB.
>> WHERE IS THE VERB IN THE PLURAL?
Scroll up. Scroll up.
>> No. No. Y BETTER. Y SCROLL UP. Y SCROLL UP.
>> Y WAS WRONG. HE COULD JUMP IN THOUGH.
SEE, WE CAN'T JUMP IN. BUT HE CAN JUMP IN.
>> Y CHILD.
>> THAT'S NOT where you hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. HOLD ON.
>> NO.
>> HE COULD JUST JUMP IN AND CUT everybody off though.
>> I'M HAVING A CONVERSATION.
>> NO, I'M HAVING THE CONVERSATION TOO, BOY.
>> RIGHT NOW.
>> YEAH. YOU LITTLE BOY. YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT FIRST PERSON.
>> WE DONE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THEM SPEAKING. NO, Y'ALL WRONG. NO, SCROLL back up, bro. No, you cut ME OFF NOW.
AND I'M COOL WITH YOU CUTTING ME OFF, BUT JUST SCROLL UP. NO, NO, NO. DON'T.
NO. JUST SCROLL to the Hebrew. SCROLL UP TO THE HEBREW. NO, NO, NO. NOT THIS PART WHEN IT'S JUST HEBREW. Scroll up some more. Scroll up some more. Scroll up.
>> Keep scrolling till you right there. You see the messeratic?
>> What are you talking about the mess?
>> If you going to cut me off, work with me. I DON'T MIND YOU. WHY DOES HE GET THE CUTEST?
>> WHAT ARE YOU JEALOUS ACTING FOR?
>> I MEAN, I don't mind him cutting in on me. Long as we can go dialogue back and forth, I'm cool with it. When you see Elohim right there, what is the verb right after Elohim? Yah, >> it said.
>> No, no, no, it's not. It says, it says, it says noon. Hold on. GO BACK UP. NO, GO BACK UP, Y'ALL.
THIS IS NOT IN ORDER. GO BACK UP, YARA.
If you GOING TO CUT ME OFF, YOU GOT TO GO BY WHAT I'M SAYING. Go back up.
>> Right. All right. Hold on. Hold on.
Nepal, why don't why don't you just get the scripture yourself so that we can share the screen and then you can see it so it won't be no disruption. Can you get the scripture yourself?
>> No. Listen, the problem is I'm talking I don't know if you can hear what I'm calling you.
>> You share your screen because y'all are a brother. Y >> No. No. This is the deal. This is the deal. Harwin. Um, you and I when we talk, Yara jumps in and then Sonet puts me in the back. It's weird. Like, I thought I was married to him, not Yara.
>> That's okay.
>> That's only because somebody called me.
I'm on the phone. I hear >> Well, then don't don't put your wife in back right away. Put the [ __ ] in the back.
>> Both of them. Both of them.
>> Not with the name calling.
>> Okay. No. No. Because I was talking and then he cuts in and I'm calling on you.
Everybody can hear it. Everybody saw it.
>> Now I'm talking. He cut me off and I don't mind cutting in. Everybody be quiet, man. Everybody be quiet for a minute. Let Har. Hey yo, um Easy B, can you get the scripture, brother? The blue letter.
>> Yeah, get letter, brother, so that you can um just let Harwin read it.
>> What verse is that, Harwin?
>> It's 126.
>> What with the scripture?
>> Genesis 126.
>> All right, get the blue letter, Harwin.
>> All right, give me a second. Genesis, >> I appreciate you because I'm not I'm not by myself.
>> Yeah, because son, I don't mind. I get up here. I don't I don't want to fight with anybody. I don't want to fight with anybody. I just I'm talking I was talking to Easy Bands and when I'm up here, it's weird. Everyone Everyone can see.
>> I don't come up here with personal beef, but then it seems like every time I'm up here, y makes a point to try to disrespect me. And I don't care. He's not I don't I don't even care about him being up here. BUT WHAT YOU SHOULDN'T do is focus on me when we know it's him.
Especially when I'm your wife. It's a bad look for you. So, I'm going to keep going with the conversation with Easy.
>> Respectful to you. You come. All right.
All right. Right. Anyway, >> I'm going to I'm going to focus on what Easy Band is talking about.
>> But when I'm up on my when I'm up on my husband's panel, I don't want anybody telling me you shut up and stuff. My husband should not let men talk to me like that. My husband shouldn't ALLOW MEN TO DISRESPECT ME. NEPAL, >> that's a private conversation.
>> Yeah, thank you. Just be quiet, Nepal.
That That's what >> All right. That's why I act like I >> Come on, man. Come on. You still talking. I don't want to hear you right now on the show with that nonsense. Be quiet.
All right. Come on. Um, Easy Bears, you got it.
>> Yeah, I got it here. I'm sharing my tab right now.
>> Blue letter.
>> The blue letter Bible. You're saying I'm on Bible. Is that a problem?
>> No. Get the blue letter, man. Same one.
the same one that he got that he's using.
>> So you wanted the Hebrew, right?
>> No, go to blueletterbible.com, bro.
>> All right. All right. All right.
>> So we can see the words in order how they written in Hebrew.
>> And just for clarity, we looking at the verb usage, right?
>> Yes, sir. And y I ain't your enemy, bro.
I rock with some stuff you said while he find that usage. Y said something about Kenya and Israel the other day. People ain't catch it. And I rocked with it.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. We going to talk about the verb usage though right here.
>> Yes, we are. We sure are.
>> Is singular or plural. That's what we mean to say.
>> Yes, we are. And and the word is nasha.
Nash. That's from asha. That's the word that they're using for make.
>> So, can y'all see?
>> Yeah. Click on Genesis 126.
>> Where?
>> Click on the blue part that says Genesis 126.
>> Genesis 126. The actual scripture. No, the the actual word they say Gen126.
>> Hey yo yo um hold up. Yo Curtis Curtis Barner, your pops are still waiting on you to stop sucking on his penis. Curtis Ba, stop sucking on your pop's penis, [ __ ] Get the hell out of my chat.
>> Dang, man.
>> Yeah. I mean, when he want to be disrespectful, I take it a step further.
So get your pop's penis out your mouth, [ __ ] >> Go ahead.
>> Okay. Can y'all see that?
>> Yeah. Yes, sir.
>> Okay.
>> So, that's why I want you to keep it right there. Don't scroll down to that where they got it all broke up. We going to look at it straight in the Hebrew.
>> Okay.
>> All right.
>> So, that says we elimin Hebrew. Y'all ain't know that.
>> Yeah, they didn't know that. But it's cool. They gonna find out today. Look, >> let's find out.
>> Yes, sir. Because I agree with what you said, Easy Bands, about the verb and the noun modification in Genesis 1:1. So that same rule applies in all of Hebrew.
So when you go to this verse right here, >> you see this word is that word that the brother Yra had up on on the panel when he had it up, >> it's the third word from right to left.
>> Highlight it. That's the third. Highlight the third word from right to left at the top.
>> Right there. Right.
>> No, no, that's the There you go. That word right there, that is the word for make or create right there. Not not to be confused with bi like in Genesis 1:1.
This says that says noon she that is a verb to make and it can be first person. Yes. So one of the Elohim can say let us said to them let us. So let us make that's why that is that is why that's written in the plural. So the Elohim is one Elohim is speaking to the other in the council like Nepal said they're in the council. So one of them >> see Elohim.
>> HOLD ON HOLD ON.
HOLD ON. DON'T DO IT.
I'm with you.
Don't do it brother >> because we see the same thing yra in the numa elish and we see the same thing in the atraas piece. And we can bring it up and we can bring it up and I'll show you in there because y'all Harwin Harin Harwin that's what I was saying about outside the Bible that text is a similar Yeah, >> I heard you. We going to show him today.
It's okay. I heard you. So when you go to the Aadian and the Acha or the Enuma Elish, you see one of the Elohim speaking to the group. This same thing is happening in this grammar in Hebrew right here. So when y saying it's one that's doing the making, it's not because the verb is in a plural form.
One of them is speaking to the rest of them. This is a plural word. Now this what I want you to do, easy bands. I want you to type in where it say verse or word. Type in Psalms 82:6.
>> Oh my god. Thank you.
>> No, it's not. I'm not ying in. Why don't you do something y That's what I was letting them telling them. Don't do that to you. So now you can't do that to them, brother. Please just let them go. Yep. Click right there. There you go.
>> Yep.
>> All right. You see that?
>> Yep. I see.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. I have said ani is the even though that's Egyptian, but anyway. Ani. That's I.
And then it says said that ye are gods.
Now scroll down so they can see the translation.
>> Just read just read the rest of it though.
>> No, scroll down.
>> Have the context. So, let me just read it.
>> I'm letting them see the English, bro.
Everybody up here, don't look at the Hebrew, bro. So, scroll down.
>> I know, brother. I'm gonna let you read it. I just want to read.
>> Yo, Easy B. Easy B. Follow what the brother want, brother. That's all.
>> All right. Good.
>> Come on, bro. I ain't do this to you, bro.
>> He's helping you. Easy B. Don't follow people that will lie to you.
>> Nah, man.
>> Scroll down. Easy.
>> Easy.
>> I'm scrolling.
>> Stop >> right now. You see the word Elohim there? Stop. Notice they play games with the the the lowercase G and that's cool.
Whatever. Right. But that say gods, right, sir?
>> Yes.
>> You see it translated as plural?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So, which one is it? Is it singular or is it plural? The answer is the root is a plural word, but because of the depending on the verb and how it's being used in the verse, it can be modified to be used singular or plural.
Which is why I went to Genesis 1:1 and agreed with that. I concede to you, bro.
Genesis 1:1 is talking about one of them. Great. And in this verse, it is it juxtaposed right with Genesis 1:26. It's talking about beings. Now, like when he asked me, are are we gods in flesh?
Well, according to this, it is. Scroll back down again so they can see Elon.
They say Ben, which is the adopted word for son. Keep going.
See children. It's been used in a in a plural. You see the plural right there?
Children.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. You see Elon right there is written ain lame yad wah non elun. So all of us are Elohim and children of the most high. So when you go back to Genesis 1:26, it's talking about us. So I know you're not saying that we the trinity. Easy bands. Because if we the trinity, you're not saying that because it's using Elohim. How could Elohim be the trinity when it's not in this verse?
>> So let me ask you something, right?
>> Thank you.
>> Come on, bro.
>> So let me ask you something. What's the definition of the word Elohim? It can be you. They they describe it as divine or divinities.
>> Okay. Council of rulers. It can be council. Hold on. Let me ask you a question fully.
>> No, no, no. So So let me >> I'm asking your question fully. It can be >> Yeah. It can be divine in a singular or divinity in a plural. The root is from Elo for divine. Now they can be a council of them when it's used in the in the root form of it when it's got the yard and the meme suffix at the end.
>> Right.
>> So all right. So I I just asked you a simple question, man. Uh what's >> I answered it. I answered it thoroughly, bro.
>> So you said it could be divine or divinities, right? That's >> depending on the verse. You got to get context on what verb is being used. I make that clear.
>> Okay. So who qualifies as an Elohim?
>> It says it right here in this verse, bro.
>> So people do people, right? Like me and you, we qualify as an Elohim, right?
>> According to Psalms 82:6 that we looking at right here. Yes.
>> Yeah. And then you know Christ confirmed it in John.
>> Yes. Christ said, >> "Is it not written in YOUR LAW THAT YE ARE GODS?"
>> Don't say that.
>> Hear me out. Hear me out.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> I'm trying to build something right here. All right. So, we consider you you would consider me an Elohim, right?
>> The Bible considers you that. Stop trying to put me in it.
>> All right. Hold on, everybody. Hold on.
I got I got a question, man. And this gonna sting you. This is gonna hurt y'all.
How come white people and they dialogues on on YouTube when they dealing with information and knowledge, they are so much better than y'all.
They are so much better than y'all, man.
Y'all act like goddamn crazy savages. I'M SORRY TO SAY IT.
>> I can answer that.
>> BE QUIET. BE QUIET. I said this is going to hurt, but you know, I sat back and I watched a lot of dialogue with Europeans going back and forth with the Christ and they just sit there with with with respect for each other even though they disagreeing and they going back and forth and they not cutting each OTHER OFF. OH, NO. NO, STOP. HOLD UP. WAIT.
THEY AIN'T DOING NONE OF THAT. HOW come they are so much better than you black people when they having discussions and dialogues?
They got way more. Hold on, just be quiet. I know it's >> I know. I thought you were done.
>> Way more quorum.
They not EMOTIONAL LIKE Y'ALL. WHY IS THAT? I LOVE MY PEOPLE NOW, BUT I GOT TO BE HONEST WITH THAT SO WE CAN get this [ __ ] right.
Because they not trying to get one up on each other. They trying to get to the truth of the matter. Whether they disagree OR WHATEVER, THEY TRY TO get to the truth. All right. I just said what I said, man. And know >> I was just on a panel Sunday with the white woman who only does a bunch of white people and she does debates. She turned to me for no reason and told me, "Shut the f up, Nappa." So, white people do it the same way. They They do it the same way. And I couldn't believe this white woman who usually is up there acting all smart and she turned to me and told me to shut the f up. So I get what you're saying. There are some panels with white people just going back and forth peacefully, but there's a lot of panels with white people with spit flying and them cutting each other off.
I don't think that's fair to us cuz they follow us. They watch us debate and they want to do what we do. They want to get up here and have these heated, passionate debates.
I The only person who's disrespectful is you know who. And I'm not saying the name. Everybody else we get it in, but we don't put each other down. We don't cross lines. The only person who cross lines is you know who on this panel right now. So Oh. Oh, I think he left.
Thank God. I done come in here. Easy Band said he's my brother. I'm his sister. Harin is awesome. I get it in with everybody. We bang hard in here. We call ourselves the toughest environment.
>> I just come in here talking >> and y talking. I don't want y'all talking.
>> But you know what it is, honey? Honey, I don't talk to yara. Everybody sees it.
Yara and I'm He's not here. I don't even want to say his name cuz you tried.
Don't do I You know what I hate y'all?
when one person is is doing the offense and you fight back and then they say you guys Yara is disrespectful to everybody and and guess what I refuse to be disrespected by him anymore. Dali knows it. He's known Yara for since 2019. I'm not going to sit up here and give him a pass and just laugh it off. He's a grown ass man with white hair in his beard. He needs to stop being disrespectful and you are the one who can control it. He's not all that. You made Yara's name.
Nobody even liked him. They call him a clown. You made him get the reputation that he has today. And you could take it back. He can't come in here. You did it to JJ. You stopped JJ from acting like a wild child.
>> Move on. Move on.
>> Okay. So, we know we don't have to SIT HERE WHILE YARA GRABS FOOD off our plate like a blind Helen Keller and we just let him do it. He needs to act like a grown man when he comes in here.
Yo, >> what up, man?
I'm out. Yeah, >> I'm done. Back to the conversation.
Great information, Harin.
>> Go ahead. I'll hand the mic over. I won't say anything else. I just, you know, it was it's good. That's great information, Harin. Excellent.
>> Easy B. Easy B, brother. I ain't mean no disrespect to you, brother.
>> You muted, >> King J. Go ahead, Kings. You got the plug, Kings.
>> Appreciate that. Uh no, I just wanted to just uh chime in what the topic was in regards to L, right? So when we look at the ukaretic text, right, in the B cycle, it mentions L. Um in the singular uh when we say Bini Elhim, we're saying sons of L. Now keep in mind bin meaning sons of L refers to um women and men. We have we have a not we have female deities as well that are included as sons of um L. So when L in the UK text portions his um gives the land to his 70 ch children, we see that same um correspondence in Deuteronomy 32:8 and they're keeping the same tradition as where we see Yahweh being portioned.
Right? So back only the my contention is this when we say behaves in the plural form. I'm I'm suggesting this in the plural representing the masculine and feminine. I would go to Genesis 1:26 and 27 and say the us and the are representing the pantheon that L sits at the top of. L is the father of the pantheon and Elohim are his children. Um that's my understanding of the text between L and Elohim. Um L the Elohim are simply the children of L.
Uh, and we we see that when we say Benny Elohim.
>> All All right. Can I can I go?
>> Chosen L.
>> All right. Go ahead, Dali. Go ahead.
>> I disagree.
>> Never heard of Benny.
>> I appreciate that, brother. Same here.
No disrespect on.
>> You got to be familiar with You got to be familiar with the Hebrew. So when I say Benny Elohim, you have to know what that means. What is it?
>> Yo, yo, it's on you, brother.
>> Thank you. Thank you. What's up, uh, brother S? What's up to the, uh, queen.
Peace to everybody else on the panel also. What's up?
>> What's up? What's up? What's up, everyone?
>> Sally, I know where you got your name from. I'll tell you later.
>> Okay. All right. We going to chop it up on that. But, um, >> that's a trip.
>> But, um, yeah, on the conversation that was just going back and forth, what I will I what I have to offer, and of course, I'm no biblical uh, scholar. I seldom get in these conversations, but I I I I I will add something from the layman's point of view in that um firstly one one of the first things y'all have to consider is uh what the author or what the people of that time meant by using that verbiage. Now, we may think that they that they meant um plural, but they may have been someone crazy like me. I refer to to myself in the first, second, and and third person because I'm kind of off. You know what I'm saying? I say we when I'm talking about me, us, all of that. But that is the um the um smaller point. The bigger point that I want to darn make is that um it it All right. So, ah, God, I I I damn missed it. But um yeah, you you you you really have to take into account and we have to understand that we don't understand what those people meant at that time. We're just trying to interpret it now. We have to understand that the Bible is the most perfectly ambiguous book perhaps ever written because I may think that one one side is right and one side wrong, but the but the Bible is so am ambiguous. you know, the side that I think is is wrong, I can't 100% prove that they are wrong, you know, cuz with the conversation that that y'all just had, and I'm actually on the side of Nepal and um Harwin in that it's meant to be plural, but with everything you all just said, it it means nothing to Easy Bands and Y.
guarantee it that it means nothing to them. They there they're still going to rock with that it's referring to the singular form cuz the Bible is is a perfectly ambiguous book and that's all that I have to say really.
>> Great point. I know I'm next. I agree with I agree with Easy Band. It's not actually a PL that's that's a Malachi Y doing that nonsense like that. Yeah, that you can look at the scholarship and they clearly tell you that that it's not that, bro. Like and and then look at what they was worshiping. Yo, they went against the Egyptians for worship.
So then why in the hell would they turn?
That's not how they work. So I agree with you, easy, man. It's not actually a plural. I used to say this [ __ ] but it's not. I appreciate your uncle.
>> Absolutely, bro. Absolutely, bro.
>> Good work. All right.
>> A guy that don't know no Hebrew.
>> So So uh can I just read this last uh verse that I wanted to read for you guys? Right. um just to talk to bring it back to the whole topic.
>> So this is Job.
>> Okay, this is Job. Let me just get the verse actually.
>> It's Job 38 and I'll start at verse 4.
So it says, "Where uh where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know. Who stretched a measuring line across it? On on what were his footing set? or who laid his cornerstone while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy. So this right here, let me just uh talk about this right here what we're reading. This is God basically asking rhetorical questions.
He's saying that he did all these things and on verse 7 it he actually describes I want to let me share my screen in case uh decides to share this. On verse seven, he says, "While the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy." So while he was creating, while he was doing the laying the foundations, all this stuff, right? What was happening? The morning stars and the angels were observing and singing and shouting for joy. They weren't there co-creating with him. So this right here just deads the whole conversation that we're having. All right, I already went through a whole bunch of verses. Uh I have these verses that I went through.
Uh for instance, John uh Colossians 1:16 where it says, "For by him all things were created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible." This is everything you can think of, right? The Elohim, the lesser Elohim, you know, mankind, etc. were all created by the most high. It's basically talking about Jesus over here. But I'll land my plane right there. And uh if you guys disagree, we'll just uh agree to disagree and leave it there. And um Ank, I salute that man for you being objective. I appreciate that, brother.
Uh Sanetta, I'm I'm going try to always, you know, be uh cordial and professional on here, but sometimes, you know, you allow people to jump in and, you know, interrupt and stuff like that. So, it's hard to keep that kind of, you know, decorum. But that's what I actually want, man. I actually want to just >> Yes, I'm cool with you jumping in on me as long as we can have a dialogue.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if we're having a conversation dialogue, it also makes sense, too. And Harwin, man, I appreciate what you said as well. It's no beef. It's no disrespect, you know.
>> No, I ain't no beef, bro.
>> I know you're all about the information, so I'm with that, bro.
>> I give you I give you that easy, man.
You always been that way. I just bring that [ __ ] out you, yo.
>> I admit it.
>> Not everybody.
>> I admit it.
>> Hey, hey, hey. Are you claiming that no biblical scholar would say that that that's used plural in Genesis 126? Yeah, but I if you talk to you want >> No, I'm saying I'll put a stack on it right now.
>> Come on, man. What the hell you think we at? Let's make a deal, man.
>> You said slow down, bro.
>> You said no biblical scholar would say that. We can rewind.
>> I I didn't I didn't say that. I said the text.
>> You said you said no biblical scholar.
>> It is. That's how we learn. That's how they learn. That's not how we >> So So no modern biblical >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Yo, see how you doing this? Yo, see, >> I'm just asking, do you want to bet? If you don't want to bet, I'll back up.
>> I'm saying I'm saying you're too hype, though.
>> Okay, let me come down for you. Is this better? Would you like to bet?
>> No, just let me finish my word. You ask a question.
>> Cuz I'll take your money right now.
>> No, you won't. Cuz I don't pay debts. I make you come at me. See what I'm saying?
>> So, just tell the panel you want to duck me then. Just say that.
>> No, I'm saying just bring you made a comment. It was directed to me, >> right? I made my mistake. I'm good with the smoke.
>> No. Yo, bro. I'm saying just bring the source. Yo, >> that's all you got to do.
>> I'm saying let's bet and I'll show you the source. Let's >> I don't I don't gamble, yo, cuz I'm not I'm not paying.
>> Stop making blanketing statements. You don't study biblical scholarship.
>> No, I do. But I actually do. And I'm saying I'm saying you too slick right now. You about to get cussed out for no reason, [ __ ] All that [ __ ] don't matter.
I'm saying what's all the hyperbole.
Yo, calm down. Both of y'all. What's all the cussing out for? Don't cuss nobody out, y'all. Come on. What's going on, Uncle? Beat him up. Beat him up on the >> Don't make no sense.
>> Beat him up on the information.
>> All he need to calm it down. I'm trying to have a conversation.
>> Yucky, man. You know he can't [ __ ] with you.
>> Yeah, I know he can't. I know he got.
>> So, let's bet, >> man.
No bet.
>> He is a formidable opponent though. No, he's not.
No, he's not. You bet me before. I got on I got you on tape betting me before.
>> I changed my mind once I realized you was new whopping. I changed my mind. I don't want your mind. Oh, now you running. I got you.
>> Yeah, I'm running. I'm running from new.
>> Yeah, you've been running for me for over 10 years. You know that.
>> Why say hey for 10 years, son?
>> God damn.
>> We can make another bet that I can show you.
>> Yo, Uncle Nwabians are strong in the information though, bro.
>> No, they not. Hey. Yes, they are.
>> All you want, but they strong.
>> Listen to what I'm telling you. Hey, hey, listen to what I'm telling you. Yo, if the [ __ ] was that good on screen together.
>> Uhoh.
Harvin is audo. Oh, he a suit on the wing. Yo, you tripping. Yo, you guys just knocked >> you was you. I will cook you though.
>> You might just cook me with me.
>> Yo, uh I I'm I'm rolling with um you all the way, man. You know that, bro. Yeah, he going to need all the help he can get.
>> I'm rolling with you all the way.
Hey Y'all hear me?
>> I hear you.
>> Oh man, what happened to the thing? The thing went crazy. You up there, Harman?
What you want to talk about?
>> Well, I want to talk about what you said when you first came in and said you agree with easy bands and you said that some stuff. You said no biblical scholar would say that.
>> I didn't say okay, go find one. Go get the one.
>> Would you would you take first take the bet?
>> I don't pay that, bro. Okay then.
>> Stop playing, bro.
>> You going around for 10 years talking about that [ __ ] going to pay, man.
Right. Stop playing.
>> You I got you on tape taking bets from me before you on video.
>> I know, but I didn't a I will. Yes, you did. You did know.
>> I thought you was out of that by now.
>> No, nobody told Cam up, man.
>> Nobody told you that.
>> While I'm driving down, get out of here.
Knock it off. I'm up here to help you out, sir.
>> PULL OVER AND GET THIS ACTION. I don't want nobody see what I'm driving. [ __ ] might hate this guy. Let them be hating on me like that.
>> Let them hate, man. I already know you got the Range Rover, so let them hate.
>> You got to stop doing Range Rover. That [ __ ] fire.
>> You going to get fried up here in front of everybody.
>> No, you're not going to fry me over no Bible. Yo, and you don't even believe in a Bible.
>> We talking about scholarship. You don't know. First of all, first of all, we're saying that the Bible come from texts that predated. So when you go into the Hebrew >> scamming, >> oh we scamming. So no so no biblical scholars say that either >> man you always got a couple. Yo, but that's not the consensus on the subject.
Don't get me stopping. You have the death in that subject. Who you playing with? Holling.
>> So now look how you dip and dodge. You did the dip Dodge on me.
>> I'm not I'm just tell you man. I know the whole story.
>> Now you switching up.
>> Come on man, bro.
>> You don't know that story.
>> I do. Yo, I read the whole holy tablet.
You know I know it.
>> WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE HOLY TABLETS.
TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE.
>> THAT'S WHERE YOU HOLY.
>> I'm not talking about the holy tablets.
I never mention the holy tablet.
>> I'm ask mention the holy tablets.
>> I'm going ask you this question. Do not the holy text from the top. Listen to it. We on top.
>> The Bible comes from the enuma alish the that's a real text. What are you talking about?
>> Nah, you made that up. Yo, you tripping.
I >> I made that up.
>> Yeah, that's not real. The is not a real text.
>> Yeah, but I'm saying to make that correlation like that, you doing too much.
>> No biblical scholars make that correlation. Is that what you're saying?
>> Yeah, they be wrong with it cuz it don't directly come from >> So I'm talking to a guy that don't study Hebrew.
>> You don't neither. You don't neither.
You don't neither.
>> Sir, I was just UP HERE.
WELL, NOT just up here reading Hebrew.
>> Yeah, he just read it.
>> See, you going to get cooked in here.
>> AK King J. AK King J. How read the whole sentence. Don't know what the hell he reads. That mean that [ __ ] can't read either. He definitely was reading Hebrew though. I ain't going to lie on the man.
>> Listen to what I'm saying. Yo, if he read Hebrew, he know it don't mean that then. Yo, >> he know how they actually using in the texting. Bro, think about that. Yo, >> you're not up here black people.
>> You're up here making statements you can't substantiate.
>> God, what they what they say is that Elohim is plural, but the word the verb that precedes it, the bar before dictates what it is.
>> Yes.
That's exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly >> some instances singular. Some instances is it uses plural, but the root is plural. That's a >> not for God, but not for God. Bro, we talking about God.
>> Sir, >> we talking about German word that they impose into.
It's not.
>> Is it not?
>> I can't.
>> Is it not?
>> You know, we can't answer no question.
Is it not?
>> Bro, come on, man. I know. You don't get out.
>> Keep on talking. And I'm going to send Elon me, bro, in this conversation. Yo, just cuz you we speaking ENGLISH, BRO.
>> YOU SAID I can't read Hebrew, but you didn't see me up here reading Hebrew.
Everybody else, >> I'm saying you can't read Hebrew because you misinterpreted. So it don't matter.
I see [ __ ] reading Reggie read the Metan and mess it all up. So just cuz you can read it don't mean cultural context.
>> You not on Reggie.
>> Stop listen. Let me tell y'all.
>> You not on Reggie Love. I'mma tell you something. These guys Hey, King. Hey.
Yo, you know what? You know what? I like that. I like that. Um, Harwin, how many of y'all think that Unk is on Reggie's level, y'all? I like that.
>> Let me ask King is on the level of Dr. Reggie.
>> To be honest, they both on the Hall of Fame on your on your Mount and >> they're respect.
Well, his name. You got to forget that he was a guy. I MEAN, LIKE HE WAS A PART of he don't believe in rock. He's an oxymoron walking.
>> King Jay, stop sugar coating. Is in the same tank.
>> Um, in science, not in >> No, we talk about Egyptian and Bible stuff. Bro, >> I would say I would say no. I would say no.
>> All right, Easy Bans, let's go to you.
Easy B. Is Uncle on the same level of Dr. Reggie, when it comes to religion, let's say religion, Kimmit, all of that, >> I'll say I'd say that professionally, uh, Dr. I mean Reggie, you know, like he has a degree and all this stuff. I'm not sure about Ank, but I'll say that Ank is probably a better debater.
>> We not talking about that.
>> No, no. I'm just saying how I look at it. But I'll say that they're probably like on a same level. Similar level text, bro. Let me let me get the Paul watch sugar cold stuff. Hey Nepal on the level of Dr. Reggie or what?
>> Oh, now she acting like she ain't here.
>> What's up? Let me just hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. Brother L, do you think Ank is on the level of Dr. Reggie >> in regards for >> in >> Egyptian and biblical knowledge.
>> Yeah. Egyptian and biblical knowledge.
>> No.
>> Okay. Straight powerful.
>> So how he going to say something about Dr. Reggie misinterpreting that he can't read.
No. No. No. No. Sold.
>> All right. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> And this is what I was compounding on when I put it in the chat. It behooves me how you'll get a non-Hebrew Israelite that's capable of reading as well as showing forth the information in Hebrew and original text when you have Hebrews that come on this channel and other channels as well that don't read Hebrew nor can write Hebrew. But this man just orchestrated an assassin role where he show diitical marks and read Hebrew show off everything and everybody's going haywire now. Why? because the brother was capable of reading it and showing forth in real time how he was able to dissect everything and show forth to everybody and the mass of the people.
That's crazy, man.
>> No, brother. No, I'm going to uh >> These are the same.
These are the same brothers and I'm going to say it for what it is cuz I'm looking forward to this debate and I need an apology from Apostle cuz this IS THE SAME EXACT thing that Morpheus did to Apostle. Okay.
>> The same exact thing that Morphe did to Apostle, but you sat there and you used myself and you use Brother Reggie as poems.
>> All right. Miss Ali, do you think is on the level of of Dr. Reggie pertaining to religious information and um comedic science?
>> Religious information and comedic science. You know what? I really can't call it because I don't I I I know that wheelhouse is science, but >> in religion, real black atheist.
>> I can think back I can think back to and his talks back in like 2015. He used to be on that. He he used to smack ass on that.
>> That's it. So now now let me give my my um assessment.
>> Um is on the level of Dr. Reggie >> [ __ ] it up. religion and comedic science and the answer is absolutely nonsipher that is a no that is absolutely not >> exactly son >> let me finish let me finish see that's >> let me go then let me go >> that's why I said religion and comedic science but when we talking about evolution and science >> context though >> hold on man hold on I'm I'm I'm breaking this down >> about evolution and science Uncle's in the class by herself on that.
So it go both ways. Both of them are great in their topics. Um Reggie is strong in religion and he is strong in the topic of chem. Unk is strong in science and he is strong in evolution.
So I'm weighing it out like that. I'm showing you that they both have strength in certain topics. That's how I give it up.
>> What's my turn? Can y'all hear me clear?
Hold on. Hold on. Can I get my turn?
>> Oh, I ain't even ask. Hold on. Let me ask.
>> Oh my god.
>> Suntan is only on the level of Dr. Reggie in terms of religion and comedic information.
>> No, he he's not on that's out of lane and but however, aunt can you know um shag behind him because aunt didn't been in the battle with Kim and everything like that. But let me say this. Uncle can get him in science. But aunt be scamming, man.
>> That's facts. I'm saying he be scamming.
>> Yeah, he can get my turn ready. Can I get my turn?
>> Science ain't science. You be >> All right, let me come to But before I come to I want y'all to see what I got here. What is this, y'all?
>> Party mix.
>> You know the game getting ready to come on at 8:00. I'm getting ready to get up out of here.
We getting ready to get it in. I GOT THE POPCORN OVER THERE >> and we getting ready to get it in, baby.
>> Can y'all hear me crystal clear?
>> Yes, we can.
>> As long as y'all negroes is black and living as earth, don't you ever compare me to brother Reggie.
>> Oh man.
>> Reggie do something totally Come on, man. Reggie do something totally different. Reggie does something totally different to what I do. Brother Reggie drags the old god with him. He can't break away. Right. I have completely disavowed the authority of the elders.
Not Reggie. Reggie bring all that old [ __ ] with him. Not me. I look through African history through the lens of anthropology, paleontology, evolution, right? That's what I teach the community. So we won't get scammed.
So I don't think Reggie can give you an accurate history. He has the madeup history. I don't do that. Wherever the chips fall, whatever science says about the archeological find, that's what I do. So, no, me and Reggie aren't in the same category. He pushing Dr. Ben and them, right? I stand on their shoulders.
He's sitting down at their feet smelling their feet. Not me. I'm standing on their shoulders.
>> Got a lot of things. Let me finish my point. Let me finish my Let me point.
Let me let me finish my point here. I'm saying is yo they his they his master teachers yo he met them guys >> right he got a different relationship with them I never met them I'm only critiquing they work >> okay I'm saying I'm stand on their shoulders though he looking in their eyes not me so we do two different things never get it confused and I'mma finish with this point just because a person can read Metaneta and just because a person can read Hebrew that's not the point the hardest thing for any one of them brothers to do is to actually put it in his cultural context.
And even when Europeans decipher the metania, the hardest thing to do is to put it in its proper cultural context.
That's where Harin falls short and that's fall short. All right? AND I AIN'T SITTING UP HERE PLAYING WITH Y'ALL. I'M the real black atheist. I'm the only [ __ ] with a cable show beating the brakes off religion for years. So anyway, never compare the two. You looking at two different goddamn beastes. I'm telling you right now and I'm done.
>> So can I respond, sir? Respond, brother.
>> Put me on the screen.
Hardwood. Uh, how can I put it in this African context when atheism ain't an African context, fam?
>> Uhoh.
>> Show me, show me a tribe in Africa for a fact that's atheist. I dare you to say the pygmies. I double dog. I triple dog dare you. Say the pygmies and I'll smoke you.
>> So without cutting me off, that's where y'all fall short. Y'all scared of white people. You said put >> y'all scared of Y'all scared of white people. Y'all scared a atheism is a human thing that that And watch this.
And since y'all claim atheism started in uh in Europe or or amongst the Greeks, that's why they don't got no signs for that reason right there. They never question the gods. Listen, they never question the gods. And that's my point.
You have to question the gods to even move forward in the next episode of getting anywhere close to science. I'mma say it again. You have to murder people for questioning the gods. That mean your community that you in will literally willing to kill a person that question the gods. That happened in Greece.
Egypt. Egypt. They never question the gods. And that's >> You don't know what Egypt said cuz you can't read.
>> Let me [ __ ] I know you I know you don't want me to finish what I'm saying.
>> It's my turn. I just let YOU INTERJECT.
IT'S MY TURN. Stop right there. Good.
>> I'm letting you interject cuz I'm cool.
I'mma sports you.
>> I'm cool with the back and forth. You not There's no win in here for you against me. There's no win.
>> Oh, I'm going to get beat up. You going to get beat up right here on this. You You switch to the WRONG BATTLE.
>> SO, FIRST YOU SAID I can't read Hebrew.
You didn't see the show where everybody on here see me reading Hebrew. EVERYBODY SEEN ME ON HERE. EVERYBODY SEEN We sir, how can you speak on what the >> What did I say? What did I say? Let him go. How can you speak on what the ancient Kimmites or Nubians believe in when you can't read their perspective?
That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.
You're saying they don't have no science. They don't have this. And you in the Almond Ra squad, but you don't believe in almond rod. But you atheist, but you can't find atheists in Africa.
But you got the African. But you got no contact with the science. But then you man, stop playing on that.
>> You you you tweaking. Don't you up.
>> Don't play.
>> You up here tweaking. You tweaking. And here's another thing.
>> On every point that I brought up, notice that you duck the bet. And don't say you don't bet cuz I got you on video betting me. And you did know what I was. Stop lying.
>> GO GET THAT. EVIDENCE OF THAT.
>> GO GET THAT, BABY, [ __ ] Go get that show.
>> I will. That's on my great granny grave.
I will on my granny mother.
>> Go get that. Go get that. Finish your point. Finish your point AS I BEAT YOU.
>> I WILL. THE POINT IS YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPEAKING on a historical context of what the Kites thought when you don't read their text. People see me on here reading the text. When Jabari was debating with brother Eek, people just see me reading the Hebrew. But you going to tell me, you know me and Dr. more than Reggie about this context.
You're out your cotton picking mine.
House way.
>> You going to SPEAK ON THE PERSPECTIVE OF Africans from translations that you don't read? HOW HOW WE WHERE THEY DO THAT AT?
>> WHERE DO THEY DO THAT AT? HOW YOU GOING TO SPEAK FOR AFRICA AND NOT LET AFRICA SPEAK FOR ITSELF? HOW YOU GOING TO GET UP HERE AND DISRESPECT DR. BEN? HOW YOU GOING TO disrespect Shank OUT THE JOKE?
HOW YOU GOING TO DISRESPECT Theo Filer Bingga just because Reggie sit at their feet, you sit on their shoulders. You ain't better than them. You can't you can't read no text and everything you everything you get from science you regurgitating. And we seen that in the Inky debate. You didn't even understand that. You couldn't even read half your slides, fam. What are you talking about?
>> He can go.
>> So, so now now, now I see you trying to get at me. So, I'm going to say [ __ ] you.
>> I've been getting at you for >> So, I'm going say so I'm going say I'mma say [ __ ] you. You wild ass pedophile follower. Right. That's what you are.
You po you you you follow people that molest children and you're not ashamed of that, right?
>> Notice you can't keep on information.
>> It's my it's my Wait a minute, [ __ ] You just said a lot of things out your mouth, >> right? Don't get mad cuz I'm super slick back with you. I want to do like you just did. You are following a man as a pedophile. You sure he ain't get with you? Are you sure? Cuz you up his ass.
So what I'm saying is this point I want to make clear. The difference between me and you, you're scared to go all the way. I've went all the way. I went straight to Greece. I went exactly what John Henry Clark said to go. He said, "Study European history first." And when I did it, guess what I found?
>> I found Greek philosophy. I found those who went against the gods. Those who went AGAINST [ __ ] I'm talking right now. Why?
>> I didn't talk that [ __ ] ran his mouth.
Why y'all running your mouth? Cuz y'all can't go.
>> Cuz y'all can't go where I'm going. See, y'all can't go where I'M GOING. Y'ALL AFRAID. Your little religion got you tied up. Your little African thing got you got your panties in a bunch. Relax.
I'm saying I went to the spot where they first started to go against the magic, the spells, and the state sponsored religion. This is essential after 350,000 years to get to the point where you would start TO GET AWAY FROM THE GODS. Now you mad because I'm away from the gods. That would stop you from creating science like I'm trying to tell her, ladies and gentlemen. But that's okay. stay in that goddamn stone age and I will continue to beat the brakes off of y'all all day every day because you are actually afraid of white people I rest >> you about the same you talking about the same I'm go I'm responding you talking about the same Greek that learned from the Egyptian >> you talking about THE SAME GREEK THAT GOT NEOPR done Krueger thing again doing it again you talk They got where they got the neoplatanism from. You mean and Heroditus and and and they and and and and Solon and Plato. They were talking about the Egyptians. You mean them Greeks?
>> I'm talking about the gods. I'M TALKING ABOUT >> THEM SAME GREEKS. THEM SAME GREEKS. YOU TALKING ABOUT REJECTING the gods. You're in your feelings now.
>> No, I I'm talking about rejecting the gods. WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> You cutting in. No, not touching the nerve. I'm touching the nerve. I'm touching the nerve.
the same you want to learn from. As if I didn't cuz don't make me pull up and have them pull up some Greek stuff for you. Let's see if you can read it. Pull it up, [ __ ] Pull it. Pull it up.
>> You can't read no Greek, boy. Barely read.
>> You don't KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I can read.
>> You can barely read English.
>> I can read you, though.
>> You How you going to read me?
>> Cuz you support a pedophile ALL THE WAY BACK RIGHT NOW. IS THAT RIGHT?
>> RIGHT NOW, y'all notice that he can't address none of the scholarship.
>> Did the man do that or not? Notice he didn't notice you came from school.
>> Notice you went to the Greeks who learned from the so you can talk bad about See again you're anti-African sir RHETORIC IS ANTI-AFRICAN YOUR whole >> you just told them everybody just watched you be anti- rhetoric hu >> we all just >> you finished sir I I I don't think I'm going to be finished too you can't even come on here no more >> are you finished? So let's get this straight. Let's talk about what anti-African is. You know what anti >> you you anti-African in the middle? So we going to do the same. We going to get on that. Let's get on that. I'm from 144th and Don in Chicago. We going to get on that.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Let's >> I'm from the south side. We going to GET ON THAT.
>> NO, LET'S clean the slate.
>> Let's clean the slate. Pull up some Greek and read it FOR US.
>> YOU GO AHEAD AND TALK. YOU go ahead and talk.
>> PULL UP SOME GREEK AND READ IT FOR US.
>> YEAH. Go ahead and mute out because everything you saying, you have yet to address any of the points I made. I made about 10 of them by now. You went you un ducked and dodged all of them. Ever since you came in here, first you said, "Well, yeah, there's no s there's no there's no biblical scholar that would say that. That's some that's some Yorkite stuff. There's no biblical scholar to say that." I said, "Okay, are you saying I I got a I got a I got a band that said you lying. I'll take your money from you. You riding riding a Range Rover. You got the money. Why you ain't take the bet?" Then I made you a bet about the atheism stuff. And I said, "I I double dog you. I triple dog you to mention the pygmies." You couldn't do that. But you got the audacity to talk about Reggie, me, Dr. Ben York and everybody else talking about they don't have no historical perspective when you don't know none of the history of Africa from the words of the Africans. You are an oxymoron walking. You are a so-called pro black but you but you are atheist.
That is anti-African. When you ask what is anti har he's up on my boy man he's UP ON MY >> GET COOKED TODAY SON. STOP HELPING HIM.
SEE YOU YOU BE PUTTING HIM HE GOING TO GET COOKED. YOU COULD PUT HIM AND JABARI IN witness protection program and you tell us I'm not ready FOR JABARI. I GOT ON HERE AND READ MEDUER. I got on here and read HEBREW AND EVERYBODY WATCHED ME DO IT. HOW I'M NOT READY FOR JABARI. HE BEEN studying like he said, I've been studying ancient Egypt for just as long as you have. As long as you've been born, but yet how come you can't read the text like me, Jabari? The same way with Ank. How old are you? I'm born in the '9s. Uh, how old are you and you can't study ancient Kim? But you read speaking on Kimmy. How you going to speak for Kim? Let's Kim speak for itself. Kim don't need you to be no mouthpiece. Who are you to talk down on Dr. Ben? Who are you to talk down on these people? You must >> Hold on everybody hold on for a minute.
Everybody hold on for a minute and I need y'all to sign up. Hit me up in my email. Y'all know my email. Easy Bands.
I want you on my team, brother. I want you on my team. Easy Bands. Harwin, I definitely want you on my team. Harwin and and um Ank is already automatic on my team. And um let me let y'all know. I don't share I don't share the stage with me.
>> Yeah, we don't NEED QUIET. This is way more serious than that. So, either we going to be men here.
>> I'mma be a man. I'm not doing >> All right. So, I tell you what, you go over to the other side and um let me just show you what me and my man got cooking. And here it is on the stream.
the H going up against DMG and his crew and my team versus his team. Y'all already know what it is. This is going to be great for the culture, great for the debates.
So, he's going to get a crew, a a a group of his people to team up against my debaters.
And I already know I like I want the best. I want you and you and Hoen ain't got to hug and kiss, brother. Y'all ain't got a kiss. Hey, first of all, hold on. Make sure this [ __ ] talk for 30 minutes.
>> All right, just I'mma let you talk.
Harwin, I definitely need you on the team cuz you're one of the best of the best. Um, of course, of course. You already know Nepal is going to go in there and I got to see some of other people. I got to contact Jabari and uh we going to get it in. We going to get it in. So, this is going to be great for the culture of debates with DMG and his crew.
The paradigm shift going up against the H.
>> Hey, that's dope, man. Can't wait.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What do y'all think about that? What do you think about that?
>> That's great.
>> Yeah, that's dope for the community, you know. Um, >> King J, I don't know where you going at cuz you be over there with them sometime. You be over here. Let me know.
King J, who you rolling with?
>> I'm rocking with the home team. Stop playing, sir.
>> All right. All right.
>> You want me on the team? You got to get me Jabari and Chuck Morgan. You can do them at the same time.
>> Oh, yeah. Thank you for mentioning Chuck Morgan. I got to call Chuck. I got >> Don't let him run. Can I get Can I get Can I get my Can I get my time or what? Yo, can I get We're going to let Uncle get his time?
>> Yeah. And don't nobody cut me off. Let's Let's everybody get this straight.
>> Go ahead.
>> I'm never going Yo, I'm never supporting a man that got 150 years for molesting children. I'm never doing it. I don't see that in my life. That's not what I'm doing. Okay? So, I'm not a team player when it come to that. I make my decisions. I got children. I got babies.
I'm never doing that. The next thing, this man is a wild pseudo Yorkite. He has nothing. I'm gonna say this one time. Just because a [ __ ] make you think he can read something don't mean he can put it in his proper cultural context. He talk so much. Let's get this straight. If y'all sitting here thinking that the damn Greeks learned everything from Egyptians, you a damn pseudo, right? There was other cultures they learned from. It's in the records. You know what I'm saying? Find another [ __ ] that got that stance. I debate him on that. I'mma say it again. Find somebody else beside a Yorkite that molested children to the point where he's a they call him a serial molester. Let the world know the Nwapians are beholden to a serial molester in our community. A crime against the babies is a crime against humanity. And a crime against humanity is a crime against African people. So I'm not the anti-African person here. The person that don't give a damn about the African babies THAT GOT MOLESTED IS THE REAL ANTI-AFRICAN. Let's get all this STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW. HE CAN TALK THAT TALK, but he know he can't walk that walk. Some women some way that got children ask this man, "Hey Doug, why do you continue to support a man that got 150 years from molesting our babies and you claim another [ __ ] to be anti-African because OF HIS SCIENTIFIC STANCE?" RIGHT? AS IF SCIENCE was a white boy thing. Ask that man why do you continue to promote right a devious individual that is on the record for saying he did IT HE'S GUILTY. SOMEBODY ASK THAT MAN ON THIS STAGE RIGHT NOW.
WHY DO Y'ALL THINK IT'S PROPER FOR me to even debate a person who don't give a damn about the babies and yet call me anti-African? Listen, being African is caring about your family and that's in your house. Being African is caring about your community. Being African is caring so much that you're not willing to lie to them. That's the difference between me and a lot of these damn pseudos. I'm not willing to lie about African history. I draw the line straight. I give you authentic African history and let the chips fall where they may fall. So if that's being anti-African, then so be it. I think I support African culture and ideals better than most people because I'm willing to tell the people what the ancestors are saying.
Not what the AfricanAmerican is saying, but what the ancestors are saying. Did the ancestors said they had signs? No.
You won't find that word in their community. What they had was traditional ecological wisdom and knowledge that allowed them to be on high for that time period. Now, if y'all think that's anti-African, then keep following the sudos. But I'm never going with it. I'm never debating a [ __ ] that can't get out of his own way and call me anti-African, but yet he follow a man that was anti-children and antilack babies. I'm done with this [ __ ] man.
No longer talking to this [ __ ] I'm finished.
>> Let me say this first, I agree with you 100%.
See, it'll be all right for him to say, you know what? I was a part of that, but I'm no longer a part of that. But I I use my information. See, he can use information, but as long as he's saying, "I'm not a part of that. I don't promote that. I'm not a part of the the new wing," that's different. But let me ask this, "When you say things like this though, >> that our ancestors never use the word science and none of that." But they use what? Knowledge, right?
>> They Yeah, they had they had different they had names.
>> If they use knowledge, wouldn't knowledge be considered as science?
>> Not until later on, sir. THAT'S RIGHT.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN. LISTEN TO ME AGAIN.
Calm down. I know it's getting ready.
You know I deal with realism, brother.
So, let's deal with it.
>> So, just because they did not use the word science.
>> Okay.
>> They was dealing with knowledge.
Knowledge and knowledge is what? To know the ledge. Knowledge come from what? A root word of science is what? To know.
SO THEY HAD THE KNOWLEDGE AND the wisdom AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT the knowledge THAT THEY HAD WAS DEALING WITH SCIENCE.
THEY JUST didn't use the word. Just because they didn't use the word science don't mean that they didn't have science. You get it?
>> Hold up. No, you can't don't make this man jump in like you said.
>> Wait, wait. Uh, hold on.
>> No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, Kufu.
Uncle Right. Go ahead.
>> So I I just need everybody to understand, right? When you say science, you're talking about accumulated knowledge over a period of about 350,000 years.
>> And so you must include the indigenous knowledge from the early hunter gatherers going back 350,000 years. And I name the different phases, right? That knowledge will accumulate right on the continent of Africa. It will accumulate and will form what you call kim coming out of the green sahara and nubia, right? Nubia and quote unquote Nile Valley, they reached a stage of protoscience, right? But they couldn't go because they couldn't say to hell with the gods. It got in their way, man. The Greeks questioned the gods. So now that's another human element. I'm now adding another human element element and another continent to the equation. But the Greeks can't go. They can't go because they need other people. And they keeps building in this knowledge and wisdom. Each culture has their own name for their knowledge wisdom system. These smart guys that claim they read the [ __ ] then tell us what is the name for their knowledge. And then let's talk about that. Anthropology today recognizes indigenous cultural systems as being just as powerful in what we call science today. So we need to stop that, bro. Let the people rest where they rest. Uh measure them with the cultures of that time. That's >> you know what we need to stop? What we need to stop is stop acting like we have a science degree. And you can be wrong.
You can be wrong, brother.
>> A science degree. No one on this panel has no one. Exactly. Exactly. Did you hear what I said?
>> Yeah. Let me hear what this dude got to say right quick.
>> Thank you. So when says when you lay down Ox uh and all respect to A and I respect him. When you lay down his credentials next to DOP, he can't even hold DOP's strap. Now when I say uh to chat GPT did shake a diia absolutely say that the ancient Africans had science here is the statement yes shake a diap absolutely argue that ancient Africans had science not casually it's a core part of his work a core part what dop actually say in plain terms in his book like the African origin of civilization and his pivotal uh book civilization or barberism dop posits in very direct ancient in Egypt which he argued was a black African civilization developed science in the full sense mathematics astronomy medicine and engineering and this knowledge influenced Greece which an is talking about where it came from and the wider world his core argue no fluff do wasn't speaking loosely he was trained in physics I don't think anything know what physics mean and history and he framed like this Egypt equals African civilization that civilization had mathematics geometry uh measurements, astronomy, calendars, star cycles, medicine, surgical text, d diagnosis, engineering, u monument construction. Therefore, science did not start in Greece. It was already developed in Africa and power. Everybody listen to Ank's uh rebuttal, but listen to the truth and you make the decision.
Don't let him fool y'all.
>> Hey, Uncle, I got to drop a bomb.
Uncle, I got to drop a bomb. Go ahead.
Go ahead. Drop the bomb.
I got to drop two bombs on that. We'll just say drop it again. All right, let me make my statement. I'm saying and that's the issue. That's why y'all none of y'all >> He killed him on that right there. Huh?
>> No, no, no. He killed himself cuz it wouldn't matter what Dop said. That's the whole point.
>> Oh, now it just finished, man. Come on.
Yo, you got to let me finish, bro.
>> You know, I'm not saying nothing. I'm listening.
>> No, no. My point is the only way you can move forward is to break some custom traditions. Diab's book was old by the time we read it, man. Y'all can't keep promoting the old ideas.
>> Oh, come on.
>> You can't You can only take the thing.
Hold on. So So I I'mma do a show right when I go on Star Studios and I'm going show you exactly what Dop said out of his mouth. Okay. Dop said out of his mouth, it's okay to challenge my information. the next generation, the younger guys will come challenge. He said, "That's that's what I need to happen." So y'all going against the great teacher, bro. If y'all thinking I'm saying a man not great, y'all tripping. Yo, he brought interdisciplinary study to the field of anthropology. Bro, he forced them to say that the Egyptians was African. So, I don't know what y'all think y'all pulling right here, but I'm going to get the words of the great ancestor, right, and show you what this man said. And I want y'all to play with me. Don't play with me because ain't none of y'all read his damn books but me. Do not play with me on this subject.
>> You're not saying I play right. Okay.
>> No. No. I don't know what you did. I'm saying is you're you you're taking something from the 70s. The man book was old when he when he produced it in the 70s. He used outdated terms. That is okay. Not a problem. Yo, we come from colonialism, bro.
>> What the hell you expect? It's not an issue. The issue is is that in 2026 that y'all keep holding on. That's like that that's like the Greeks holding on to Zeus when it's thunder and lightning and keep saying the thunder and lightning is because Zeus people amongst that say we're not going to do that.
>> Okay, >> we're going to break from Listen, we're gonna listen. We're going to break from tradition and say it's a natural cause, bro.
>> Okay, >> y'all keep doing the same thing. Y'all keep saying it's Deops is is Dr. Ben.
Y'all keep doing it.
>> I never do that. I'm telling you DOP because he was trained uh uh what what Ben did I I always always I never had nothing against it. I read his books too. But I'm saying DOP specifically in physics. He went to the Serbon. You're not dealing with an ignorant man here.
Okay. And I guarantee we if we could go to I'm not saying you are but I'm saying if we go to his works right now he's gonna I guarantee you all of his works and anybody that's still a student of him like the guy that I read Dr. MD, medical, PhD, Dr. No problem. All of them will say still believe that Africa was the father in antiquity eiquity.
K is where a lot started in history. They civilized many lives in antiquity and their influence live ubiquity.
>> Let's talk about a place called the land of the blacks where science and culture was a tangible fact. Where language and history was written down in sex or stone where African indigenous ruled in flesh and bone. For thousands of years it was just their home till invaders came in and possessed their homes. Trying to take their identity with imity their divinity and energy. So let's remedy their villain. Now we change the tide.
You can't hide. With false claims and false names and false pride, false outrage. We've turned the page and confidence is sprayed. All your fabrications are slayed and have no sway. If you think we're here to play, we're here to say on any given day. We not afraid to catch the fade.
A m is where a lot started in history.
They civilized many lives in antiquity and their influence live in ubiquity.
K is where a lot started in history. They civilized many lives in antiquity and their influence living.
>> My people are comat. The Greeks called them Egyptian. and with purpose and force change their descriptions, depictions, the ethical inscriptions, the medical prescriptions to alleviate afflictions of deceitful symptoms of evil intentions. Now the suspension of their wisdom has been free from your prisons. Didn't think we would catch you. Shipped the nose off of statues so you could tell the lie, so we dispelled a lie. We inhaled, exhaled, repelled, expelled a lie. Liar. It's time to retire. Your time has expired. Last collapse, thrown in the fire. Burn baby, burn you pariah.
K E M E T is where a lot started in history. They civilized many lives in antiquity and their influence living ubiquity.
K E M is where a lot started in history.
They civilized many lives in antiquity and their influence.
>> I give thanks to Jake, Annie Dop, and Dr. Bennett, John, Henry Clark. They brought us in. Professor James Smalls and Anthony Browder, the Alingo. We couldn't be more proud of Jabario, Dr. Reggie Ka, Kmania teachersh, our scholars, our brothers and fathers, our ancestors achievements. We see it, we breathe it, we free it.
their accomplishments in our past and their bereavement. K is where a lot started in history. They civilized many lives in antiquity and their influence living ubiquity. Oh, >> it's where life started in history. They civiliz influence living ubiquity.
We're alive.
>> Started in history in antiquity.
>> In antiquity >> in antiquity ubiquity is >> where a lot started in history. They civilized many lives in antiquity and their influence living ubiquity.
In antiquity, in ubiquity, antiquity and ubiquity.
Oh wo wo and antiquity.
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I won't stop.
M >> right here where you my people where you I need you to help me on this mission.
Yeah. This is for my brothers trapped in religion. Open up your eyes. Break out of the prison. This is for my brothers trapped in religion. Shin to be the truth. You know he's on a mission. It's sad to see my brother's so lost. It's sad to see you believe in things false.
It's sad to see you believe in Jesus.
Well, your logic breaks apart in a thousand pieces.
Oh, God killer. Not going to let that slide. You drowning in a myth. You had no way to hide. The H is the toughest environment when we trade blind faith for mental empowerment. I believe the scriptures for your mind is the key.
It's time to unert within.
That's where the real liberation begins.
Oh, this is for my brothers trapped in religion. Open up your eyes. Break out of that prison. This is for my brother.
Trapped in a sound to be the truth. You know he's on a mission. That ain't okay.
It's more than just a place. It's a tough environment. The way you check your faith. Bomb spotting pseudo killers who check your sies. Don't come any law is a Bible written to break your spirit. Build to keep you lost. Feeling your metaphors stopping your bro.
This is for my brothers trapped in religion trying to be the truth. You know he's on a mission. Sad to see my brothers on so long. It's sad to see you believe in things as fall.
Sad to see you believe in why your logic breaks apart in a thousand pieces.
Don't give a sh Don't stop.
Don't give up on us.
Don't stop.
Sh.
Don't give up on us. Don't stop.
Please.
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