This Episode Got Out of Hand FAST (End Times Talk)

Added: 2026-05-07

[00:00:00]You're going to get a chip. You can't You got to scan it in the grocery store.

[00:00:03]About the locust? About the locust.

[00:00:05]>> [laughter] >> And you want to see the king?

[00:00:08]Here it is. Look at my thigh. He's like, "Got you." It's going to be bulging cuz Jesus was a man's man. You know what I >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:00:13]>> He wouldn't know. He didn't skip day. He didn't skip leg day.

[00:00:21]Welcome back to the Good Life podcast.

[00:00:22]On this episode, [music] you are going to figure out how dumb we really are.

[00:00:28]Today is an unscripted episode of all in times. I shouldn't say all things. Some things in times.

[00:00:34]Uh we're going to have a lot of Q&A here. And I'm going to say I don't know a lot of times. So, Daniel, we're back again. And we just came off of this conversation this past Sunday on the rapture of the church in the book of Thessalonians, being caught up in the air, taken away, is that a before tribulation, all of those things. So, you grew up on the Left Behind series. We've talked about this.

[00:01:06]>> Read them all. Rapture, seven years of tribulation, Mhm. three and a half years of peace in that tribulation, three and a half years of chaos and turning the second coming.

[00:01:17]This is what we know as dispensational theology.

[00:01:20]Second coming of Christ, millennial thousand-year reign after that. Jesus comes back.

[00:01:27]You know, we see him binding Satan for a thousand years. That's the theology we grew up on.

[00:01:32]At the end, he's released one final time because there's a thousand years where resurrected bodies are living on Earth with human bodies and there's this interaction, but there's there's still children being born, so the Satan has one more chance at the end of time to deceive those that have been born in this Then Jesus finally defeats Satan once and for all.

[00:01:53]And then he sets up the new heavens and new Earth. And then we It's like That's what we grew up on. Yeah.

[00:02:00]Here's the problem. That's what the majority of people in America, in first world countries, especially if you grew up any sort of Pentecostal background, that's what many people believe. Mhm.

[00:02:10]So, Sunday we started with a conversation on the rapture.

[00:02:14]Let me just look at the camera and say this.

[00:02:16]Uh most of what we're going to talk about in this episode I hold very loosely. I do. I just want to say that.

[00:02:22]Um and if like having a perfect end time theology and knowing for absolute certain is what you need in a pastor, I'm not your guy.

[00:02:32]I'm not your guy.

[00:02:33]I'm just being honest.

[00:02:34]What I know is Jesus is coming back.

[00:02:37]And his whole message was very clear when he was asked, "Make sure you don't fall for deception.

[00:02:42]Make sure you're staying on guard.

[00:02:44]We should eagerly await his coming.

[00:02:47]And we win in the end. If we can agree on that, we're good. We're good.

[00:02:51]So, let's go ahead and just talk about a lot of stuff. Let me review why we're having this conversation on the rapture because this is important.

[00:03:00]If If you believe in a rapture as taught in the Left Behind series, where Jesus returns not returns, Jesus appears, we're caught up and we're taken out of this world.

[00:03:14]Then your end time theology starts with that.

[00:03:18]And then there's all these things that follow kind of a a timeline of events.

[00:03:24]If you don't believe in a rapture like has come to be a popular doctrine, and you believe a lot of revelation and and and some of the the prophets are symbolic and you can say By the way, Revelation 500 and something references to to the Old Testament in a in in about 400 verses. Fascinating. [clears throat] The Bible interprets the Bible.

[00:03:43]If you don't believe in a rapture though, you see a lot of things as symbolic.

[00:03:47]And and as I said Sunday, I lean toward the symbolic view.

[00:03:52]And so, let's talk about why for our listeners who weren't there Sunday, didn't hear the message, why I lean that way. Okay? I grew up dispensational theology.

[00:04:03]Rapture, trib, second coming, Antichrist, mark of the beast, 666, all that stuff.

[00:04:09]I'm more confused today than I than I've ever been on some of that stuff. I'm not going to lie. Uh because I'm like, man, there's some really good arguments for a lot of these things. Which one am I going to pick? And then you start digging around and you're like, I'm not as smart as I thought I was.

[00:04:21]And I think I think that's the danger is that's is is we don't talk about it because we're unsure. Or some people talk about it like it's like absolute gospel, just as clear as the resurrection.

[00:04:34]It's not.

[00:04:35]So, here's here's my my pushback on the belief system of of dispensationalism.

[00:04:42]And a particular rapture.

[00:04:44]Pre-tribulation conversation around rapture.

[00:04:47]My pushback is that for 1800 years that it was not a belief system in the church in the world.

[00:04:55]The early church fathers did not believe it. They eagerly awaited the return of Christ. They were more symbolic in their beliefs than timeline in their beliefs.

[00:05:04]Then in the 1800s, a woman by the name of Margaret McDonald was in a some kind of prophecy conference or some kind of experiential conference in Europe and had a vision of this idea of a rapture that Jesus would return and take our or appear and take all the Christians out and leave behind the unbelievers for the wrath of God.

[00:05:26]There's some don't endure this wrath and all these things. And those are scriptures we have to wrestle with.

[00:05:38]But the idea that Margaret McDonald would get a rapture doctrine, she would link arms through some communication and and and theological conversations with John Darby.

[00:05:50]John Darby would then start this conversation in the 1800s about this dispensational theology. Begins with the rapture, seven-year trib, all that kind of stuff. I have friends and family that are going to watch this podcast and they're going to be mad at me. Mhm.

[00:06:02]>> [clears throat] >> And and I'm okay because I hold this loosely. I'm not mad at them, so it's not fair for them to be mad at me.

[00:06:08]And so, I think uh 1800s, John Darby kind of not makes this kind of forefront of the American European mindset, whatever.

[00:06:18]Then the Scofield Study Bible comes out.

[00:06:21]The Scofield translation Bible comes out and it has all the stuff about I mean, it's like peppered with rapture and dispensationalism.

[00:06:28]That was less than 200 years ago.

[00:06:31]Today is the predominant view in first world countries. It is not the predominant view in the world.

[00:06:36]It is only the predominant view in the wealthier, richer, more what I would call bougie slash entitled countries in the world. Wow.

[00:06:46]Here's my big pushback.

[00:06:48]The way the And I'm not Could I Could I be wrong? Sure. And you know what? It'd be a lot easier if I was.

[00:06:56]Cuz we gone.

[00:06:57]We out of here. Mhm. I ain't got to deal with it.

[00:07:00]So, to push back on this is not fun thing to do. I'd rather be raptured and let's go to heaven and be with Jesus and then get to observe everything, right?

[00:07:08]>> However, the way in which the rapture doctrine came about is not that much different than Joseph Smith and the tablets coming with Mormonism. And we view that like it's crazy.

[00:07:25]So, Joseph Smith has this spiritual encounter, supposedly gets these tablets, and comes up with a whole new religion and belief system about Mormonism.

[00:07:35]We don't agree We think that's whack.

[00:07:36]Mhm.

[00:07:37]But this is normal?

[00:07:40]So, now what has happened is again, hold it loosely.

[00:07:45]What has happened is we now come to the Bible not looking for what the Bible says.

[00:07:52]The modern-day person coming to the Bible is coming to the Bible going, "Where's the rapture?"

[00:07:57]Mhm. So, let me ask you this.

[00:08:01]If I told you in this room that we're setting sitting in, there's an object that is round and looks like and give us some descriptive things.

[00:08:12]And you're like, "Oh, it must be a globe."

[00:08:16]One of the exclusives.

[00:08:17]Yeah.

[00:08:18]And you're like, "There's a globe in this room." There's a globe So, you come in here looking Well, what if it wasn't the globe?

[00:08:24]What if it was the candle?

[00:08:26]What if it was I'm just simply saying when you come in with a filter, you're going to try to align things in your filter, in your echo chamber. Mhm.

[00:08:34]That's good.

[00:08:35]>> we talked about even last week. So, I want to be real clear. There are godly people who love Jesus who are on polar opposite sides of this theology. If you want a good book, I recommended it last week. I'm not I don't agree totally with this book. I think it's great read. If you want to study yourself, I think that's what you ought to do.

[00:08:53]It's It's by John MacArthur.

[00:08:56]Um and it's called The King Is Coming.

[00:08:58]But then there's another side.

[00:09:00]If you want to go to Theos University, Nathan Buscio, they David Campbell's the author of a book called Unhinged. He has several books about the end times. He takes every one of these things that we You may pepper me with things today. He He unpacks another side, another view, what many of the early church believed.

[00:09:16]So, I tend to lean toward the early church. That there will be an increased tribulation.

[00:09:24]There will be some you know, major things that happen in the end before Christ returns that believers will suffer.

[00:09:33]Um intensity that we've never seen before.

[00:09:37]And I don't I don't I don't necessarily believe we're going to escape it all.

[00:09:40]Now, could we be sheltered, protected, the hand of God, all this stuff? Maybe.

[00:09:44]Maybe those are legitimate things that God would allow us to not to experience. Here's the thing, if you're in Christ, you're not going to experience his wrath. Yeah.

[00:09:52]So, there is something about that, which also goes we have the seal, we have the seal of Christ on our forehead, on our hand. I mean, there's that whole conversation.

[00:09:59]Mark of the beast of the other side.

[00:10:00]That's a whole another We might get into it.

[00:10:03]I'm just simply saying to believe a rapture of the church, a pre-tribulation rapture before a 7-year tribulation, you have to you have to go against 1,800 years of church history.

[00:10:19]Mhm.

[00:10:21]It did not become a mainstream belief system at all till the 1800s. Yeah.

[00:10:25]That gives me pause.

[00:10:28]Because what happens if I go to a conference and I have an encounter and then I come and try to find it in the scriptures.

[00:10:34]Mhm, that's true. So, for the book of Revelation to read like dispensational theology, the church would have to be raptured.

[00:10:42]I think it's before chapter 4.

[00:10:47]And the argument is the church is not mentioned in Revelation. It is a symbolic book. It refers back to the Old Testament. There are some things that it refers back to the past and looks forward to the future.

[00:10:57]I just caution the In in the message you'll hear on Sunday, you can go back and look. The other thing about rapture that I mentioned is um the word used there in the Greek when Jesus comes back um is not it it is a word that literally where um the people of a city would come out of the city. You see it in the Old Testament, you see it in the New Testament. And usher the king back into the city. It's a military term, right? Uh yeah, so you would you would be ushering the king back into the city and welcoming him in. Mhm. My question is when I just hang on that thought, does that sound more like the second coming or does that sound like we're gone for 7 years and then we'll be back?

[00:11:38]To me, it's an ushering away and then a coming down. Some people would argue What does that mean you just come down and you're ushering God back in Jesus back in?

[00:11:47]I I think but then that that poses questions about the millennial reign and all those things.

[00:11:52]I'm just simply saying we don't know all the answers. I lean toward a one like the early church, one event second coming of Christ. So, that's where people hate when you when you touch on their But but but but I'm I've got just as many people on the other side going, "Thank you for talking about this. We've wrestled with this for years." So, but I'm not We're unscripted.

[00:12:15]You get to say, ask whatever, and I might just look at you and shrug my shoulders. I might do that often. You do. And the reality here is is because I don't think it's wise for me to say things that I haven't truly I might have opinions about but but I also have opinions that I could be wrong about.

[00:12:35]>> [laughter] >> You know, where there's an opportunity if you ask me something, I'll speak on it. If not, I'll say next question.

[00:12:40]Okay. So, Yeah. you got some terms that you want to talk about.

[00:12:43]>> great for that I'm grateful to have a pastor that will admit I don't know it all. There are pastors out there that think they know it all and teach like they do know it all. So, it's great for I'm grateful and appreciative to have your leadership. So, I can you know what? I'm doing my best, but I don't I don't know everything. I have I reserve the right to change my mind, too.

[00:13:01]I'm just telling what I believe right now. Yeah.

[00:13:03]And if if somehow the Holy Spirit shows me Again, I'm not looking for some I have a hard time thinking I'm just going to shift on this.

[00:13:11]But I'm not also But again, I'm holding this loosely.

[00:13:13]And so, if if understanding full-time in-time theology and timelines is what gets you into heaven, I'm probably most of us aren't going. Mhm.

[00:13:23]Mhm.

[00:13:24]I'm just being honest. So, That's great.

[00:13:25]Yep, I got some terms Fire away. Tell me what you think about it, what you believe about it, and um if not, then we'll go to the next one.

[00:13:32]>> Yeah. Let's start with the rapture. We talked about that. You've heard that. If you're listening, you've already heard that word term used a couple times.

[00:13:38]For clarity, what is it? What is the belief? I do believe we're going to be called up in the air to meet the Lord. I do believe that he's coming back. I think it's all one event. I don't think it's two separate events. I don't think it's a calling away, then we go sit with him for a while and then come back 7 years later. I don't think that's the way it happens. If you want to say there's a rapture per se, I think it's a post-tribulation rapture. It all happens at the same time with return of Christ.

[00:13:58]Explain post-tribulation to those.

[00:14:00]There's this idea that there's a a 7-year tribulation or an intensified season of tribulation depending on how you interpret it, symbolically, literally, 3 and 1/2 years a piece, 3 and 1/2 years of whatever was that when Jesus was on earth. What we can call by that. Did half of that already happen and we're waiting on the other half?

[00:14:14]There's all kinds of beliefs out there.

[00:14:16]But at the end of the day, there's 7 years of persecution, tribulation, the wrath of God, some of those things, the Antichrist all and then at the end the believers you know, ultimately wipe out all of all of that evil.

[00:14:27]There's a calling away. Jesus puts his foot on the Mount of Olives.

[00:14:30]Splits it in two and all of a sudden now we win.

[00:14:33]Yeah. So, that's what I mean by post-trib. Pre-trib would mean it happens before Mhm. the 7-year tribulation. We're gone, all that we just get We're not a part of. Yeah. And there's a mid-trib view and all that, which is very not very common.

[00:14:44]>> heard everything. Yeah. So, you mentioned Antichrist Uh-huh. a minute ago.

[00:14:49]Yeah. What do you What do you think about Antichrist? You think it's a person? If it is, you think he's alive right now? Do you think What What do you think they're coming from coming from? What do you think? Yeah, so last time we talked about Islamic beliefs of in-time stuff. Now we're talking about some of some of the biblical beliefs.

[00:15:04]What I would say is um Jesus is clear, the scriptures are clear. There's been an Antichrist spirit for for all the church age.

[00:15:12]There's going to be that Antichrist spirit that comes against uh of what you know, the mission of Christ. All that being said, I think I do think it culminates in some kind of figure, political leader of of or or or or figure in the end that ultimately tries to bring, you know, comes in peace but ultimately brings chaos, persecution. I I think it could be a a world leader of some sort, but I also think it's backed in some way by a governmental belief system or an ideology.

[00:15:43]That's why I think it could lend toward some of the Islamic in-times things that you know, an Antichrist coming from that. That's just I don't know.

[00:15:51]That's me kind of summarizing. There's a bunch of beliefs out there, but but I think I I do think in some Is he alive today? I have a friend, he's actually on staff. He uh he says he thinks there's always been an Antichrist laying in waiting.

[00:16:03]Wow. Interesting concept. I don't know.

[00:16:05]Yeah. I don't know.

[00:16:06]I think the Antichrist is going to be Nicolae Carpathia.

[00:16:10]But that's just because I read the Left Behind books as a kid. Some people have no idea the reference to Nope. Nope.

[00:16:14]That is the Antichrist's name in the Left Behind series.

[00:16:16]>> Yep, there you go. Good name, though.

[00:16:18]Pretty cool name. Yeah, yeah, it was I've never heard anyone else with that whole name. There you go. Um mark of the beast. I know we all This is a buzzword.

[00:16:26]People like every time technology advances, we're like, "Ooh, is this the mark of the beast?" What are What are your thoughts? I know that there's a a huge computer in Germany back in like early 2000s and they named it the beast and people are like, "Ooh, this is what's going to make the mark of the beast."

[00:16:39]>> They're playing with us.

[00:16:41]They're playing with us. So, a couple different viewpoints.

[00:16:44]>> [clears throat] >> I uh and then I'll tell you where I land.

[00:16:47]So, the idea is that nobody will be able to buy or sell anything. You'll be persecuted if you're unwilling to take the mark during that tribulation.

[00:16:55]A mark on the forehead or mark on the hand. Uh people have theory I mean, I remember when we had credit cards came out. It was like, "Oh my gosh." It's like, well, here we are 25 years in having credit cards. Or well, maybe longer, 35 years.

[00:17:07]I don't know how long it's been.

[00:17:09]Now Bitcoin. Mhm. Now they're going to control all your money. I mean, listen, I think these are very real things. I mean, the question is is it a literal mark or is it a symbolic conversation?

[00:17:19]Well, the Bible talks very clearly about those that are in Christ are sealed on their forehead.

[00:17:25]They have a seal of Christ on you know, on them. And so, uh I tend to believe and and so, the idea is some people think you can't get a chip, you can't you got to scan it in the grocery store, you got I think that fits the narrative of the culture we're living in. But when the 1500s, what did they think, you know?

[00:17:40]The RF ID chips came out like 10 years ago. The radio frequency identification and they were putting them in the hands or the or the head and they were selling it saying like this is all your medical history is on there, your banking information, all of that. If you get lost, you can be tracked. Really, I remember latching onto that so convinced that's the mark of the beast. And I would say this, I think you might be foolish to take it in your hand just out of Look at the Look at me.

[00:18:06]Don't take anything in your forehead or your hand. Yeah. Just in case. I mean, like duh, that's common sense like If you're going here, "Well, what about" Don't do it.

[00:18:16]And and then whatever comes of it comes of it, right? So, but but don't do it.

[00:18:19]If If I'm wrong on this, then then for the love of God, don't take a chip in your hand or your forehead. Don't take a mark anything. Don't do it.

[00:18:25]Um but I tend to believe that those that won't bow their knee to the Antichrist, which if it comes from a Muslim back to some sort of, you know, the God of all Yeah. you're not going to be integrated into the world's economy. Mhm. You're going to be beheaded for your faith.

[00:18:41]There's one religion that beheads people for their faith.

[00:18:45]Islam. Yeah.

[00:18:47]What do we see when Jesus returns? Those that were beheaded for their faith.

[00:18:51]Whoa. So, I tend to believe just like the I'm not I don't have a seal on my forehead literally, but God has sealed me, right? His seal is on me. So, this idea that I think it's more of like your loyalties. Mhm. Your head and your and your hands. How Who are you Who What do you believe and who are you serving?

[00:19:09]Mhm, that's good. I I think that's a better indicator. I could be wrong.

[00:19:13]So, don't take the chip.

[00:19:14]>> It sounds convincing. It sounds good. It does. And but but it also don't take the chip.

[00:19:17]>> Yeah.

[00:19:18]>> [laughter] >> If there's a chip, don't sign me up.

[00:19:22]Good advice to have. Don't take the chip. See, it's It's not It's not This is not like something that I hold I'm like, listen.

[00:19:29]Just cuz I don't necessarily that I think it's a symbolic view, don't mean if they start saying go take the chip, I'm like, "Ah, it's symbolic. I'm going down." I'm not that stupid.

[00:19:37]>> Yeah. I'm I'm I'm wise enough to go, "Let's Let's hit the pause button on that one." So, yeah. That's I told you this is unhinged, unscripted.

[00:19:44]>> I love it. This is good. Um Revelation 7 talks about the 144,000 here on earth. What What is What do you think about that? So, let me give you some backstory of of John and you see this pattern. You see it in the New Testament, but you see it really with John. John would hear something, then he would see something.

[00:20:02]He would hear it and he would see it.

[00:20:03]And those two things would be to say, "Okay, here here's the full context." So, John, I believe he hears the 144,000.

[00:20:10]The context there, some people believe that it's the 12 disciples, the 12 tribes of Israel times perfection of a thousand, 144,000. [clears throat] And it really encompasses the full scope of God's people.

[00:20:25]So, when he hears 144,000, is it is it literally 144,000? Because then he sees the masses or multitudes can't be counted.

[00:20:33]The other option is that there's literally 144,000 that Jesus uses, you know, to get the gospel out in the end times. Um you know, again, I'm not going to dive too much into that. I tend to lean toward the 100 based on Jewish people, Israel, Romans 11, or grafted into the family. I tend to believe the diverse view that I mentioned. It represents the perfection of the old covenant, the new covenant, and all those that are in Christ.

[00:20:58]>> Mhm. The thousand being the perfection, the massive numbers. Yeah. That's what I tend to believe. I could be wrong.

[00:21:04]But you could be right.

[00:21:05]Also, I wondered if John Hear me.

[00:21:08]This is me just getting off the again.

[00:21:10]1 2 3 4 5 6 7. How long did it take him to count 144,000?

[00:21:16]Or was he saying Or was he saying, "This is what it means. I saw a vision of what it was."

[00:21:23]Yeah. It was the perfection of the old and new covenant, any follower [clears throat] of Jesus, the church, the people of God.

[00:21:29]Yeah.

[00:21:29]>> Multiplied by a thousand cuz that's the big number. A day is a thousand years, a thousand years a day. It's not really a thousand, it's just and it's all people who ever followed Jesus. I tend to believe that because I've said this before.

[00:21:39]Your belief on uh Genesis 12 Yeah. affects a lot of the way you interpret everything in the end times.

[00:21:46]Mhm. I don't know. We'll find out. It's a lot of people. You count them when you get up there and tell me how many. I bet he was great at guessing how many jelly beans.

[00:21:54]There you go. So, um This is off the rails already. I I love it. I love it.

[00:21:59]It it's uh Revelation talks about seven seals and the seven trumpets. Bro, what do you think? I I think I'm too dumb to fully understand all that. I'm not going to lie. I've Those are not essentials.

[00:22:11]If I'm honest, man, I remember being in the college class. I won't, you know, and I remember getting to that and my eyes glazing over. Mhm.

[00:22:19]You know me as a lead. I'm wired to like 80%. Like once I get 80%, like I am capped. And so, I have a great first 80%.

[00:22:27]>> Yeah. The last 20% is so disheveled.

[00:22:29]This is in that last 20%. And I mean this in every area of my life, man. My wife asked me to clean the house, to clean up while she's gone. I get it about 80% right. The last 20% she's like, "Where did you put the silverware?" I'm like, "In the silverware drawer." She's like, "That didn't mean the silverware drawer in 3 years." And I'm like, last 20%. I just get confused. This is one of those.

[00:22:46]Yeah. All right.

[00:22:47]>> Go ahead. This Yeah, the whole bowls and the the seals and all that, same thing.

[00:22:50]I'm just like, "Oh my lord." Like I do tend to think it it you know, when you talk about the seven seals, seven bowls, it's just all I think I think there's a there's a pattern there. Yeah.

[00:23:00]I'm trying to figure it out. Okay. Let me know when you do.

[00:23:03]Um talks about uh Revelation talks about many plagues and one of those that are the the more popular is the locust that come out. And it describes the locust.

[00:23:10]And it says that they have the face of a woman uh or the face of a man, the hair of a woman, um the teeth of a lion, they sound like the herd of a thousand horses.

[00:23:20]What are your thoughts on that? So, you remember >> Yeah. Do you remember uh the the leadership lesson that we talk about all the time? Stop answering people's questions, start questioning people's answers. So, here we go. What do you believe about the locust?

[00:23:32]>> About the locust.

[00:23:34]>> [laughter] >> I threw this one on you, didn't I? I believe that I don't want to be around for it. I don't >> [laughter] >> Um I'm not a big fan of bugs. I I do remember probably 10 15 years ago when I first read someone's um idea or ideology that it could be a just John is describing what he sees in a war and they're helicopters and they have the faces that are painted on the side of the helicopters and they sound like horses. I'm like, "Oh man." That I think it also says the tail is like that of a scorpion. I'm like, "Oh man.

[00:24:02]That's it."

[00:24:03]>> I do do I do believe that I do do. I do believe that that there's some symbolism that John sees that could could very well play out in in the in the times that that that of the return of Christ.

[00:24:14]But I think a lot of it's specu- Again, it's speculation. Fun. It's like, "Oh man, let's It's like I remember being in in in fifth grade and I was in uh the gifted class, the one where you're supposedly smarter, not not not the one where I needed extra help.

[00:24:29]I was in that one. You were in that There you go. That's why you're on the podcast, made me feel smarter. Yeah, yeah, exactly. All that being said, I remember being and they would give us these like riddles that you had to figure out, man. I loved them. I was always so good at them. And and like, you know, if if if Bobby has three friends and he's three friend has four pizzas and four And I'm like and then they leave out all this stuff and like I loved them. I think I burned out in fifth grade on The horse's name is Tuesday. Yeah. The horse's name You have a riddle, let drop it in the comments right now. Let's see >> There you go. And so, at the end of the day, I'm kind of getting to like like, "Man, deeper you go into this stuff there, you're like, could be." Yeah. Probably not. Could be. Maybe not. I don't know.

[00:25:05]Maybe. Ask 10 different [clears throat] people from 10 different denominations and you'll get 10 different answers.

[00:25:08]>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I got one more. Uh is that it? I got one more. Okay.

[00:25:13]Armageddon. I'm not talking about the movie with Bruce Willis.

[00:25:16]But yeah. The the the battle of Armageddon.

[00:25:19]Yeah, man. I think I think Jesus Summarizing what I believe in its simplest form, there's idiosyncrasies and and nuances to this. I can't imagine what people are thinking. Either they're going to comment on this or they're just going to secretly go, "He's an idiot." I don't know.

[00:25:33]Uh but when it comes to Armageddon, I believe Jesus is coming back once and for all. He's going to defeat the enemy.

[00:25:38]He's going to bind Satan, cast him in the lake of fire, the false prophet, whatever that means, the Antichrist, whatever that means, the beast, whatever that means.

[00:25:45]I'm being facetious here.

[00:25:46]We win. Yeah.

[00:25:48]>> It's one final battle. Jesus restores the original intent of heaven and Earth.

[00:25:54]We rule and reign with him. And those that have denied will be cast into lake of fire.

[00:26:00]I don't think hell is a mythological place. I think it's a very real place.

[00:26:05]And I think um the greater There there's two equal and opposite parts of hell that I think are are just as damning, no pun intended.

[00:26:15]That um I I also let me tell you something else about the rapture real quick that I think is very interesting. Um but but in in hell, not only is there eternity of of of pain and suffering, but you're also apart from your creator.

[00:26:33]And as a father, um I can't imagine what it would be like to my son that I love, people that I care for, either one of my sons to abandon me and me never be with them again.

[00:26:52]And uh just the heaviness of eternity apart from the Father. Yeah. I think that's his heart.

[00:27:01]That even though we don't understand it, even though it cost us That's in parentheses. There's some sacrifice and that comes with obedience.

[00:27:08]The Father's heart is that we'd be with him. But at some point, he says, "Enough's enough. You get I'll give you over to delusion. You get what you want."

[00:27:16]Um circle back. There is a belief that when you um >> [clears throat] >> when you look at revel- I mean, when you look at the rapture conversation or you look at the second coming conversation, uh the thief in the night, one is come, the other left behind.

[00:27:33]>> Yeah.

[00:27:34]There is an alternate view to that. I don't know what I believe here. I'm just giving you the alter- One is all all the Christians are going to be snatched out.

[00:27:40]First of all, Matthew 24 is not a rapture. It's the second coming.

[00:27:43]But there is a belief that uh that actually what is taken are those that are disobedient, far from God, are wiped out and sent to hell.

[00:27:54]And we rule and reign We're not We're not the ones taken away.

[00:27:57]>> Yeah. It's the unbelievers taken away to eternal torment and we rule and reign with Christ. There is that belief.

[00:28:02]>> Because it says it'll be like it was in the day of Noah. Yeah, there So, who was saved in the day of Noah?

[00:28:06]>> Yeah. Who Who remained?

[00:28:08]>> The righteous. Yep.

[00:28:10]As it was in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be. Not a rap- second coming.

[00:28:16]They were eating, drinking, and marrying.

[00:28:20]Okay? And and what happened is all those people who were living that life were wiped out. Noah was saved and his family. Why? Because he was the righteous.

[00:28:30]Yep. If you take that and apply it There's other times in scripture we see that. But if you take that in scripture and apply that same language, all of a sudden, you're like, "Whoa.

[00:28:41]Maybe maybe we we we've been taught things wrong."

[00:28:47]Yeah.

[00:28:47]>> Maybe not. Maybe. I remember when I first just heard someone flip the script.

[00:28:54]It's like mind-blown. Like, "Wow. That makes That makes a ton of sense." If In the context of the Bible interpreting the Bible, >> Yes. Yes. it makes a lot of sense that when it If I'm just going to give you my 30-second snapshot.

[00:29:11]Christ returns.

[00:29:12]Boom. He goes, "Come on up here with me.

[00:29:14]Let's go back and ride these white horses these horses calvary." He's going to appear, you know, king of kings, lord of lords. Let's go back. Wipe them all out. They've been persecuting you. Now we get them back.

[00:29:23]Yeah. I'm speaking in a in a very fleshly sense right now, right?

[00:29:27]Okay. We go back. Boom. They're wiped out to eternity. We rule and reign forever.

[00:29:33]Mhm. If you just take that simple view, it makes a lot of sense. I'm not saying it's accurate.

[00:29:38]Saying it makes a lot of sense.

[00:29:39]>> Yeah.

[00:29:40]It does It does. I got I got two more questions actually.

[00:29:42]>> making them up, okay.

[00:29:43]>> I got They come to my mind and this is bonus. So, this is free.

[00:29:46]>> Yeah.

[00:29:47]if this episode even airs. This this is I hope so. This is bonus.

[00:29:51]Um it says when Jesus comes back he'll have the Lord of lords and king of kings inscribed on his thigh.

[00:29:57]Do you think that's a tattoo?

[00:30:00]Well, you know, I I've heard people say I Yeah, I mean I I I don't know. I don't I don't >> Or is it just like on his robe?

[00:30:06]Bro, I don't know. Cuz I've had people use this try to like argue for or against tattoos. Yeah. First of all, tattoos are only wrong if they're done in some kind of worship idol whatever. I don't have any just so we're clear. I do. I know. I'm You're going [clears throat] to hell. I'm I'm going to make it.

[00:30:23]>> My mom believed it until I got then she doesn't believe that anymore. So, I think we need to do more episodes like this where it really whatever we say don't matter.

[00:30:30]>> [laughter] >> So, at the end of the day I I don't know, man.

[00:30:34]Jeez.

[00:30:35]I Here's what I will tell you.

[00:30:38]They hung over his cross king of the Jews and mocked him.

[00:30:45]Mhm.

[00:30:46]He's coming back. I think there's a little bit of point proven there.

[00:30:49]>> Oh, yeah. I don't know. That's my flesh.

[00:30:51]He gets the final He's like, "You want to see the king?

[00:30:53]Here it is. Look at my thigh."

[00:30:54]>> "Gotcha." It's going to be bulging cuz Jesus was a man's man. You Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:58]Yeah.

[00:30:59]>> know.

[00:30:59]>> He didn't skip leg day. [laughter] He didn't skip leg day.

[00:31:02]It's great. The last one is this. Jesus comes back on a riding on a white horse.

[00:31:08]By the way, Islam also has an Antichrist figure riding on a white horse. Really?

[00:31:13]Yeah. Fascinating. Go ahead. Sorry.

[00:31:15]What is it? Uh flattery is the or My uh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you cop What is it? Copying is the same the greatest form of flattery or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. They're just trying to copy. Um do you think that means there's animals in heaven?

[00:31:28]Duh.

[00:31:29]Okay, let's go a different way. It says he's riding on the clouds. Let's let's pause that again.

[00:31:35]Is that the presence of God or clouds?

[00:31:37]Mhm.

[00:31:39]Cuz all throughout scripture a cloud by day and a fire by night.

[00:31:43]Mount Sinai, cloud.

[00:31:46]Transfiguration. Yeah. You see I mean you see what I'm saying?

[00:31:50]Man.

[00:31:51]Is he coming on clouds or is he riding in on his presence?

[00:31:55]So, let that answer your question. I don't know. I don't think there's animals in heaven. I think they are they're not the kind of animals we know.

[00:32:00]I think they're [clears throat] I don't know. I don't think so either but he got the horse from somewhere. I don't know.

[00:32:04]He borrowed it. He borrowed that donkey man. That's [clears throat] good. When he came in the first time he rode in on a borrowed donkey. That's good. I don't know where he borrowed it from.

[00:32:11]So, hey this is terrible. It's awful but it's fun. We're having a lot of fun.

[00:32:14]Hopefully the the purpose Let me say this. The purpose of this episode if you stuck with us is just to let you know like it's okay to not have all the answers.

[00:32:25]And so, we contemplated do we do this episode? Do we script this episode? Do we try to be or do we just kind of fly by the seat of our pants? Not making light of anything but just letting you know like it's okay to wrestle with these things. It's okay to be like I've studied I tend to lean this way but I could be wrong.

[00:32:41]Just remember the whole cusp of this series that is that Jesus came once.

[00:32:46]He died. He was resurrected. He appears to his disciples and right before he ascends in Acts 1:8 they ask him, "When you coming back?"

[00:32:55]And he says I paraphrase don't worry about it.

[00:33:00]Nobody knows.

[00:33:01]But go take the gospel to the world.

[00:33:04]He didn't say go scare the hell out of the world.

[00:33:06]He said, "What is the good news?" Good news is light in darkness. Good There has to be bad news for good news to pierce it.

[00:33:12]And so, the good news of Jesus' life, death, burial, and resurrection is what changed because he loves you so much and he loves me so much that not only did he die and was resurrected but he's coming back to receive us. And if you know what?

[00:33:24]>> [music] >> We can adamantly disagree on these things and we get to heaven one of us will get to punch the other one in the arm and go, "Told you so." And that's okay.

[00:33:32]So. That's good. Yeah.

[00:33:33]>> [music] >> So, listen we love you. I don't know how this is impacting your life. We're going to start a new series coming up in the next couple weeks and we'll see you next time on the Good Life podcast.