Obsessed With How The Diaspora "Looks". 'Black British' Is Not An Identity. Live Discussion Vol.5.10

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[00:00:00]Um, do you believe that people that are black that look like West African were in the Americas before Christopher Columbus came to the Americas?

[00:00:11]>> Okay. And just to and just to be clear before I answer, so I'm sure of what you're asking me. Are you referring specifically to phenotypes? So the shapes of noses and lips and is that what you're asking me?

[00:00:23]>> Yes.

[00:00:24]>> Okay. Um, the reason I will say yes possibly to that >> Oh my god.

[00:00:31]>> Yeah. Can I can I quickly just SAY WAIT? NO, NO, NO. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. Me and him. Wait one sec. One second.

[00:00:41]Everyone stop before I lock off the whole panel. No. Stop. Just me and him.

[00:00:46]One second. My thing is this. Here's my question to you. Are aboriges in Australia indigenous to Australia? Yes or no?

[00:00:56]>> Yes, but we don't look LIKE I'm going to answer this question like you answer.

[00:01:05]Respond to me after THE QUESTION. NO, YOU DON'T GET to do this. I'm going to answer the rest of my questions. Don't piss me off. Don't piss me off. Don't piss me off. I'm going to ask you the rest of my questions and then you don't look like the original question.

[00:01:23]>> I think you need to go and study your history. You don't know what you're talking about. That's why you have to ask her who she is or who you think.

[00:01:30]That's a lot of problem with these people. You know what? THEY DON'T KNOW.

[00:01:35]>> I'M GOING TO I'M GOING GIVE IT HOLD ON.

[00:01:36]I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM ONE MORE CHANCE TO ANSWER my next question cuz I want to hear what he HAS TO SAY. WHAT IS the phenotype of Aborigin people in Australia? What's their facial phenotype? What's their nose shapes? Seeing as we're going to do that, what is it? What do you associate that with?

[00:01:59]I >> think he doesn't realize he's muted.

[00:02:01]>> Yeah, the a mute you. So, what? Go on.

[00:02:04]What do you associate their phenotype with?

[00:02:08]Evil the um Evil the Aborigines um has um like um I have to read more about the Aborigines. But um >> now you have to read >> Yeah, I have to read more about the >> Now you have to read I asked you are you referring to phenotype? You said yes.

[00:02:26]And then I said well yeah and the reason for yeah is because when I said aboriges now we know what they look like. Let's not start playing games. You want to start talking about West African phenotypes? That nose is nothing like my nose. Is it?

[00:02:40]>> I have been there. THAT'S >> NOTHING LIKE THE NOSE ON MY FACE. WE KNOW WHAT FEELS.

[00:02:45]But you're uncomfortable. Hold on.

[00:02:47]You're uncomfortable with that. Now all of a sudden you have to go and read. You have to go and read. Exactly. You just have to go and read something. Now we have to read something. You don't need to read anything. You ask me about phenotype and what I associate them with. Do I think people that shared a phenotype that we associate with the West African phenotype, did they possibly uh exist in the lands at the time prior to the transatlantic slave trade? I said yes because see you lot get funny. You think that the West African phenotype is something unique to West Africa only. That's the point. You lot think this [ __ ] Even if I LOOK AT PACIFIC ISLANDERS, I'M looking at them and I'm like, "Yo, then look at all these different phenotypes."

[00:03:31]You like know to leave. Damn the hell know you don't play this [ __ ] do you?

[00:03:34]>> Exactly.

[00:03:35]>> I look at them and I see all types of phenotypes. I see I see broad noses. I see round noses. I SEE I SEE ARROW NOSES. I SEE LOT I SEE ALL this [ __ ] You don't look at East Asian people. You share the same phenotype as the quisan people. They share the same phenotype as the sand people of Africa. They have African noses. They have West African noses a lot of these CHINESE PEOPLE, BUT YOU'LL NEVER SAY THIS [ __ ] SO WHY is it now when you've just you've just asked me a question about do I think people that and I was specific on purpose I said the phenotype are you referring to phenotypically you said yes. You asked me do I think people that shared a similar phenotype to the West African people were possibly there.

[00:04:17]>> Uh yeah I don't What are we talking about? I'm responding to Africans, specifically Nigerians, saying we look alike. We look like them. When they come over here, you can't tell me what I've been through. When they come over here, they say, "You're African. You look like us." And they're forcing on us. And I single time I don't look like them. I don't identify what African woman. I'm not African. And I put that in their face and they get mad and I don't care.

[00:04:44]>> So, has everyone black girl I spoke to before as well? And I think I spoke to uh who's my Okay. Yeah. Go ahead, Flower. Let everyone know what your ethnic background is for those that weren't here earlier and where you're based.

[00:04:56]>> I'm Jamaican Canadian based in Canada and I'm always for common ground. Like I'm hearing both sides and all I can say is the first thing we have to do is take accountability for any of this PTSD that we've caused in our own communities towards other communities because it does exist. So if we can't acknowledge that >> I'm sorry FL I'm so sorry just bear with me one second just have to respond to this just one second um the giant prince so these insults are cool host but you'll shut down Isuru I feel like I read it how he how he typed it too um here's what you have to understand about my response to what Isu said initially it was making a comparison between what happened to people that have the transatlantic slave trade as a part of their history, i.e. being those that were affected by people being sold, right? They were affected by it directly and ended up in different lands because of it and people who actively participated in the trading of those people who are now under the nation of Ghana requesting reparations.

[00:06:13]That's why I said that's madness. How can you compare the two? They're not the same. So, yes, I have a problem with that because I have a problem with Ghana in general seeking reparations potentially for the transatlantic slave trade. Any violations that go on outside of that between people, I let them have it out. That's how I do all of that. I'm no one's mom, bro. You you offend me personally and my community, then I get hot. But generally speaking, like people can just have it out the way they choose to have it out cuz we're all grown.

[00:06:37]That's it. I'm no one's parent, bro.

[00:06:40]Isu's been here responding. Isu says things I don't agree with sometimes.

[00:06:45]He's still here. There's other people on this panel that say things I don't agree with. They're still here. Like, please.

[00:06:50]Like, all that. I'm no one's mommy.

[00:06:53]Okay.

[00:06:54]Dead all that. Anyway, go ahead, Flav.

[00:06:56]Finish your point.

[00:06:58]>> Yeah. So, just the pivotal moment for me in this entire live, you've been on this for hours, is when we looked up, >> we looked up the official statement by Ghana and in the same sentence that they talk about child slavery or the slave trade, there was no mention of Brazil, caraccom, FBA, nobody. Then we further took it and we looked up the actual president of Ghana. His tribe is what?

[00:07:25]Kanja. Kanji or Gan Ganja something of that. Forgive me I'm saying it wrong.

[00:07:31]>> Ganja I think it was Ganja.

[00:07:32]>> Ganja tribeja. Right. When we look up what the tribe has been known for trading it specifically says slaves specifically and I think it says cola nuts. Okay. So for them to be the face on a global stage representing the black diaspora for reparations, it just looks very weird. And we have every right to question their intentions. If they know there are tribes within their country that were responsible, if we were to pull up the receipts, we're going to see those people. When we go to the courts, we actually have to prove and show traceability that what we're saying exists. So, if they want to come back and say that they had indentured servants, cool. That's your case to fight. Where are those receipts to prove that you didn't intend to put people into transatlantic slavery? We can't fight that fight for you.

[00:08:41]Caraccom is fighting their own fight with their own receipts because everything was documented. Not one trade was not documented. If it was sold, if somebody was stolen, that's not documented. If somebody was sold, that's documented. And that's what we're using in court.

[00:09:00]>> I believe like even Harvard, I think even Harvard mentioned that they had some some some I don't want to say the name, some slaves. There's a lot of some slaves basically build that up. As far as the White House go, there's a lot of things that went on. Like even when you talk about the context of America, black Americans despite the issues and despite the places in which we got here, we have been very like we've done a lot of things in this country. We innovated a lot of things. This whole thing that went on in America was an endeavor they tried to make even before America was a thing. You had people in Rowan Oak. You have people in a lot of different colonies that tried to build things here in America and they could not do it.

[00:09:35]They unal alive themselves and they start to basically can cannibalize themselves. The first prominent uh existing thing that was even formidable here was at Georgetown was 1619 and they had they had slaves there. So whit couldn't do this this whole endeavor about America. They couldn't do it by themselves. They unal alive. They they cannibalized themselves. Even with the Portuguese who were the first forerunners of all these things and they couldn't even they got pushed out of here. So when we speak about the context of America, people who don't know our history can please stop speaking about it because you know what McGraw Hill taught you. McGraw Hill which the our textbooks which teach our history is not the forefront of what history it is.

[00:10:14]It's a misguided history a muddle history and a petri dish of a history that doesn't teach the facts of what went on here. It teaches a white tea washed history about what went on when you talk about black America. So when people talk about what they think that they know, you don't know what you believe that you know.

[00:10:35]You you guys have been saying why do how can the Ghanaians ask for reparations when they've essentially benefited from the transatlantic slave trade, right?

[00:10:49]But then that's like saying how can how can Africanameans ask for reparations when they've benefited from the >> that's nowhere near the same hold on let me finish nowhere near the same >> let me finish then finish >> okay FBAs black Americans when they've benefited from the illotten gains of America to say that you haven't would be just stupid that's let's not be dumb >> you know your outside idea of what it this. So, please don't speak on our history. I don't speak on African history. I don't speak on none of these places because I don't know. Number one, I didn't live it. Number one, my ancestors weren't a part of it. That's why I listen to people who are from these places. And I learned from them about what they went on. People speak about black Americans a lot of times because they feel like they have some type of ownership of who we are, especially once they come here. You don't know what you think you know. You don't know.

[00:11:43]All you're getting is a a sanitized history that you believe is true. If I start to speak about where you're from and talk about your history, like I knew based on the books that they told me, you would correct a lot of things in which I said because it's not all your history. So, please give us the same grace that we give y'all. That's all I'm asking. H >> Have Have you not So, have you not heard people do the same thing on on on the opposite side of the argument? Have you not heard people on this? You said you've been in a live. Have you not heard? Cuz you're saying, "I don't do that. I don't do that." Fair enough. You might not individually do that. But in this live, people have been doing that.

[00:12:20]They've been speaking on on on places they're not from um on ethnic groups, on on history, on on certain histories. Uh you know what I'm trying to say? So, I mean, the only reason why I started talking was because somebody said something like, "Oh, um, they the Africans, they don't like their women.

[00:12:41]They treat their women badly. They are they are they don't criticize their politicians."

[00:12:46]Um, one of the American girls said that.

[00:12:48]I can't I can't remember. I don't know who which one exactly it was. One of them said that and that's when I came off and said, "Yeah, these are just >> me motherfuckers."

[00:12:54]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I said, "These are just talking shit." So the same way man said, "Oh, don't speak on a group of people, right? Just be consistent and and apply that to people talking nonsense as well that are from America."

[00:13:07]Because at this moment in time, you keep saying you guys don't speak on American history. You need to tell the Americans, don't speak on African history if you don't really understand it.

[00:13:16]>> And I want to speak on us all the time.

[00:13:19]Nigerians speak on us all the time.

[00:13:21]>> I hear you, brother, and I can agree with you. I agree with you in that point. But what I want to say is that the whole reason I'll say this to Coley and I apologize Coley because your life was not about this and I don't like us being centered in certain spaces that's not about us because there was some guy who came up and he spoke about and it was several people kept speaking about black Americans and then they brought up FBA and that's why it became a topic.

[00:13:43]This is what I'm saying. Stop bringing us up in these conversations that are not about us and we will not come up here and respond. Stop doing that. And I agree with you brother what you said.

[00:13:51]There were some people who spoke about it. Absolutely. There's a lot of people who do that on all sides. So, if we're going to have this measurement of we're all going to be speak about it from all sides because Africans do this, Caribbeans do this, black, everybody speaks about certain things. Don't speak about things that you don't know if you don't want somebody else doing it to you as well. That's all I was saying. She spoke once he start to speak about us.

[00:14:15]And that's what happens. Y'all bring us up in these conversations. They always say we try to center ourselves. I don't and a lot of us do not. But once y'all mention us, like Coley is a stomped down Jamaican, like my brother from West Morland is, his name is Kamar. That's my guy. Shout out to him. Once you speak about their people, they're going to say something and y'all can't be mad at that cuz I know Coley's not going to let nobody speak about Jamaicans and not say nothing.

[00:14:37]>> It's as simple as that.

[00:14:38]>> Yeah. Let me tell you cuz I've had I mean, night and girls in the chat right now, Jamaican, right? Like, you know, some Panaffricanists don't necessarily care if they're hearing some [ __ ] I do.

[00:14:49]I do. I I'm not playing about my athletic group, my community, nothing like that. You're not disrespect to me and I'm silent.

[00:14:56]>> And we're the same way, Coley.

[00:14:59]>> Like they can they can speak on us because we are in a white or more or less white country. And the issue I have is that y'all, not y'all, not you, Klay.

[00:15:09]I'm just speaking to I think the brother be underneath me. But >> the issue is that that people who can't actually get at white people like to try to get at black Americans cuz they can't address the white people who are actually causing the problem here. And that's the frustration that I have. But especially the whole American imperialist conversation, which he still has not acknowledged as incorrect.

[00:15:32]>> He still has not acknowledged as incorrect.

[00:15:35]>> Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. I'm hold. Let me say this real quick. Cole, they got to drop. My Jamaican homies calling me now. I got to drop. I'll be listening. Uh I'll be listening. You can just call me right now. Y'all have a good day. I'll be listening though.

[00:15:46]>> All right. Thanks for letting me speak.

[00:15:48]>> Yeah. So the whole issue >> America is a gigantic country. It is a huge country. So therefore, our black American, you know, connection in terms of like how we interact with people of different countries varies depending on where you are. It's very regional. It's not something that is like a universal thing. We have a large large country to cover. So my point is is that even in that same breath, America is a country of what 330 million people, 350 million people and we make up about 10% of that or so. Right? So if we're talking about, you know, this person behind me is trying to tell me that black people because we benefit from the things that we actually fought for that somehow we're also part of the problem. when the issues you have with this white people that has that has you have an issue with them peerless. You have an issue with people who are trying to come into your countries and do things that we don't have [ __ ] to do with. And so that's my frustration is that y'all need to take aim at who needs to be, you know, because you can't get at other people because you can't get at those people and you know that you're outnumbered.

[00:16:54]Then you want to take issue with us as Americans when we decide to be proud of our heritage, which we are. You know, like like I said, I'm you know, multip multiple generations here in America, you know, and my great great-grandmother was not even born enslaved. She was born free. So, you know, we're talking five generations and at least five generations before that my my family has been in this country. So, for people to try to continue to try to make us feel ashamed for that, you can never make me feel ashamed for what my what my ancestors did ever. Ever in life. My parents were born before segregation ended. My parents were born during the civil rights era. That is one generation removed from the legal segregation of black peoples in this country. We've not even touched immigrants coming to the US and how black people fought for those rights because we got we we got people over here in this country before black people even had the right to vote in this country.

[00:17:52]So when I say people don't understand and are ignorant about black American heritage and history, this is what I'm talking about. Because when we get brought up because of some [ __ ] Tariq Nasheed said, who's probably a [ __ ] idiot. I've never listened to him before. I don't know who he is really.

[00:18:08]People bring that [ __ ] up, they they use as an excuse to not to not learn about our history. And that's the frustration that I have. We don't we don't people there's a deep deep deep history we have here. been here for a very very long time and because the white people decide they want to be colonizers they ain't got [ __ ] to do with us. We've been trying to maintain our our humanity since we got here. So trying to point the aim at us because you feel jealous or upset that ain't got [ __ ] to do with us.

[00:18:36]Actually my grandmother was born in 1927. She was raised in Mississippi through the great migration came up to Indiana where she became a teacher anyway. She got her masters whatever.

[00:18:47]Long story short, she'd been traveling to Africa since the 70s.

[00:18:52]I was raised to be a Pina African. She was a Spanish teacher. Okay? So, like at the end of the day, when people are talking about how black Americans, you know, I'm not trying to I don't want to I don't want to downgrade childhood trauma, but I am trying to say that many black Americans were raised to be Panaffricanists. And so, when we say, "Oh, yeah, yeah, we were our dashikis or whatever the hell, you know, how do you think Quanta became a holiday in the US?"

[00:19:16]because we were so focused on hating on Africans because that's not what happened. Quanza became a holiday in the 80s in the US because we were so focused on trying to be one black people that we decided we're going to dedicate a whole a whole holiday to to trying to think back and remember our African ancestry.

[00:19:40]So miss me with the [ __ ] about people being anti-African. That is not what is happening. What is happening is that people are recognizing that we can't win for losing. On the one hand, people want us to be African when it suits them. But when we try to say we're African, then you want to tell us we don't know where we're from. And that is very frustrating. That's extremely frustrating, especially with the the deep heritage we have here in the US.

[00:20:08]So when people are trying to claim that now and we understand, okay, we have our we can go back 10 generations at minimum. I'm a grown woman. So we're not even talking about Gen Z, Gen Alpha. I'm a millennial.

[00:20:23]So you're talking at least 12, 13 generations removed from Africa. And that is something that people need to recognize.

[00:20:32]>> And was that for Isu?

[00:20:34]>> Yes. cuz I need him to acknowledge the the the misunderstanding or even just the ignorance of trying to equate black Americans with American imperialism.

[00:20:48]>> Okay. So, I want to ask you a question.

[00:20:50]Um >> guys, by the time the series is done, it needs to be at 200k. Okay? And send me pretty things. I like nice things. It's been 16 hours. That's a record. [ __ ] >> 16 hours. You know, I've done 16 hours.

[00:21:06]That's a whole record. It's an official record. I I I would like the love to be reciprocated because why? I have one toilet break and I haven't eaten, but I'm here cuz these conversations are important. So, show me love, okay? Show me love. Give me nice things. Thank you, Arakian. Send me nice things. I I love flowers. I love galaxies. I love bunnies. I love donuts.

[00:21:33]I love other giraffe was really cute. I love whales, you know. Just show me love because no one can sit here for 16 hours. No one. Thank you the original.

[00:21:44]Not a buddy. Thank you, Black Love. I appreciate it. Thank you, Speedy.

[00:21:50]Thank you.

[00:21:52]Thank you.

[00:21:54]Thank you, Arain. Thank you, Revenues. I saw that lady. She or Shai. Thank you.

[00:22:00]Thank you, Brit. Thank you, Black Love.

[00:22:02]Thank you, Speedy.

[00:22:05]Thank you so much.

[00:22:07]Thank you, Jesse. James, I can just see the first bit. Jesse and James, thank you. Thank you, Sylvio.

[00:22:15]Thank you so much, guys. Thank you, SA.

[00:22:17]I appreciate you guys. Seriously, I do.

[00:22:19]I'm not I'm not playing. I'm tired, but I genuinely do. Thank you, Lady Shai. I feel like Is it Lady Shai or Lady She? I like how Lady Shai sounds, but I don't know if I'm saying it right. Thanks, Black Love.

[00:22:32]Thank you so much, Naomi. Thank you.

[00:22:36]Thank you so much.

[00:22:39]Thank you. A so cute. Okay, so we're there. Go ahead, Isu. You can now respond.

[00:22:48]>> I just wanted to ask her, would she say that the average American's quality of life is better than let's say somebody who lives in Africa? So life expectancy um infant mortality rate, average income, education, literacy rate. Would you say that these measurements of quality of life is generally better than somebody who lives in Africa?

[00:23:15]>> Let me ask you something.

[00:23:17]>> I've asked you're asking me a question.

[00:23:19]>> I will answer that question. I will answer your question, but I need to ask you a question first.

[00:23:23]>> First question is, did you hear anything that I was saying?

[00:23:26]>> I did. So do you not understand that the rights that we have to be here in the US we fought for? They were not given to us. We still don't have reparations.

[00:23:37]>> So I don't what what bearing does that have on what I asked you?

[00:23:40]>> Because we built the infrastructure that made America the country it is today. We built that we literally built the White House. That is not an exaggeration. You can look that up. We literally built everything that you that the people who come into this country whether they're you know whatever whoever it is.

[00:23:57]what what was built was built with slave labor. Do you not understand that or what's happening? What are where you not >> you still haven't answered my question?

[00:24:06]Where's the disconnect here?

[00:24:08]>> So if we benefit from it when we work for it for free, would you not say that that is deserved? So, so you're saying that the the quality of life that America, the average American experiences is is based upon purely slavery. It's not colonialism.

[00:24:30]>> Do you not understand how big the slave?

[00:24:32]This is what I say when people are ignorant. I really don't think you understand. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm Hold on.

[00:24:36]>> No, you're ignorant. What I'm saying is I don't think you understand that slavery. Yeah, but maybe what I'm maybe don't understand what I'm trying to say.

[00:24:43]>> He's being ignorant on purpose like that. He's clearly being ignorant. Let me explain. Let me explain.

[00:24:49]>> Yeah. So, >> I'm saying clearly the country has amassed a form of wealth, a level of wealth, should I say, right? The economy has been able to be built up to a certain level, right? I'm saying that how did that happen? This this trans this transcends just sla It's not just slavery.

[00:25:11]>> No, no, no. This is where this is where you got me [ __ ] up at because how it's not just slavery.

[00:25:15]>> Okay, can we pause listen? How do you think How do you think America was able to build up the country and become a powerhouse that it is today if it were not for the free labor of literally >> 100%. That's a that's >> why are you trying to sit here and act like that? It was literally how people made their money.

[00:25:34]>> You're not You're not listening.

[00:25:36]>> No, you're not listening.

[00:25:38]>> You're not listening.

[00:25:39]>> But all up until now, you still haven't managed to answer my question, though.

[00:25:43]>> What is the question? Ask me your question.

[00:25:45]>> Right. So, I asked you, would you say the average American's quality of life, right, is better than the average African.

[00:25:55]>> So, life life expectancy, infant mortality rate, education. Are >> you saying that? Are you saying Okay. Nigeriah Niger.

[00:26:07]>> What are what are the Nigerian billionaires doing? What are the Nigerian billionaires doing? They have a better life. They have a better life than having Look at them. Look at them.

[00:26:16]You have no problem with wealthy Nigerians.

[00:26:18]>> Look at him. Look. Look at him. Look at him.

[00:26:20]>> Hold on. Let's see where he's going. So, the answer is yes. Okay. Obviously, >> so if the answer is yes, explain to me why your your quality of life is better.

[00:26:30]Why? Why is that? I just told you that.

[00:26:31]Do you want to did I need you to repeat for me after I say something? I need you to repeat it back to me to make sure that you're actually hearing what I'm saying.

[00:26:38]>> Okay, great. Just explain to me why is your >> I told you that the infrastructure in the Let me say it slowly. The infrastructure in the United States was created by slave labor.

[00:26:54]All of it.

[00:26:57]>> Let me repeat that. Let me repeat that.

[00:26:58]Let me repeat that to you. The infrastructure in the United States was created by slave labor.

[00:27:08]So with that, I need you to repeat that back to me. Actually, let me hear you.

[00:27:13]>> So So did you hear what I said?

[00:27:15]>> This is what I was going to say. Yeah.

[00:27:17]>> Okay. What did I say?

[00:27:18]>> Tell me what I said cuz I feel like I'm repeating myself at this point. So, so, so like what I was saying with what I was saying, yes, slave slave labor is 100% a contribution, but not also also also also also also and also the reason why the reason why the reason why the reason why also also the reason why the reason why your quality of life is also better is because a lot of these countries have not been able to to build up their economy due to illegitim loans.

[00:27:52]>> What's that got to do with us?

[00:27:53]>> What do you What do you mean? What has that got TO SO, IF YOU'RE >> WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH BLACK AMERICANS? I'm asking >> you're living YOUR GOVERNMENT IS GETTING HOLD ON. HOLD ON.

[00:28:02]>> YOU LIVE IN THE UK.

[00:28:03]>> If you're if you're generating money, if you're Are you in Africa? If you're >> No, look, look. Look at them. Go on.

[00:28:09]Finish. Go and say what you want to say.

[00:28:10]>> No. I'm going to finish what I'm going to say. Are you Who's talking? Who's talking? Which one of the Africa though?

[00:28:15]Because >> Which one of the captains are talking?

[00:28:17]>> Let me speak. Bye. What? Well, you is it is it the purple one or that one? Which one? Who's talking?

[00:28:22]>> Because what's really going on here is that you used to understand that even if we did even if we did benefit from American imperialism, it was because it's back pay, baby.

[00:28:33]>> It's back pay. We still have not got reparations. We're still dealing with voter suppression at this moment in 2026.

[00:28:41]So, what we're not going to do is talk down on the [ __ ] that my ancestors did and act like we didn't deserve it. I'm sorry. I'm not going for that [ __ ] I'm not going for it. Because what you're trying to do is to act as if just because we benefit from the labor that we that we are the ones who actually committed to, we're the ones who who did that labor did not get paid for it, and now we're benefiting from America, benefiting off of our ancestors, and now it's a [ __ ] problem.

[00:29:10]>> What are you talking about? Who Who said it's a problem? I'm speaking about >> YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAID NO, I NEVER SAID IT'S A PROBLEM. I said he has wa who am I talking to you?

[00:29:19]>> I'm You're talking to me.

[00:29:21]>> But well the other one's going to need to get out the way cuz I don't She's just piping up. You need to put her on a leash or something. I don't know. She's talking too much. All right.

[00:29:29]>> Go get your monkey. Go get your pet monkey.

[00:29:33]>> All right. Hold on.

[00:29:34]>> She finished or is she done?

[00:29:37]>> Everyone Everyone stop. Wait. Um I just want to bring in some others because I need to make sure everyone's spoken before I end up deep enough. So, um I can see I can see you others wait in just a second. Uh live on key, I'm going to let you go first cuz you haven't spoken yet and I know I've spoken to Black God before and uh uh uh who is Mike Jones. So, live on key, you go first, then it will be who is Mike Jones and then it will be uh Black. So, go go ahead live on Keyth background and where you'll be.

[00:30:08]>> I wasn't here from the beginning. So, what is this actual conversation about?

[00:30:11]Cuz I feel like they probably went a bit off topic.

[00:30:14]What did you come up to talk about?

[00:30:17]>> Essentially them arguing about the benefits of black Americans in terms of slavery to the whole continent of North America.

[00:30:26]>> Okay. Who did you want to address? Did you want to address someone?

[00:30:28]>> Uh I just want to I just wanted to basically say because they're arguing over like minuscule things in my opinion. Uh >> okay. And was your ethnic background or where were you based? Did you answer that? I don't remember.

[00:30:42]>> Oh, okay. So, I'm black American, but I was raised in the UK, army kid. Um, >> okay.

[00:30:51]>> Yeah. I just think the whole point of this conversation is they want black Americans, it seems like some people want black Americans to acknowledge that America has partaken in imperialism and therefore black Americans have benefited off of the harm of other black people, which may be true to a certain extent, but I also think you have to acknowledge how America itself or United States of America treats black Americans and whether or not those benefits actually reach them. Because just because there's a middle-class black America, which most of them had to work to become middle-class black America, doesn't mean that they got the benefits that white America got through the same means or that it trickled down because trickle down is not a real thing. Even if you just look at wealth, it doesn't work.

[00:31:37]Um, also I do think it's a bit ironic when I hear black Europeans have this thing because your parents have been paying taxes to your previous imperialists, too. So, we're all in this mess together.

[00:31:54]That's all I wanted to say.

[00:31:57]>> Okay. Would you like >> That's a good point. And the other guy said it earlier and I said it's true.

[00:32:02]I'm not the one disagreeing. They're the they're the other the other the people who are mounting a counterargument.

[00:32:08]They're the ones saying, "No, no, no, no, no, no. We haven't." I'm not saying that. You see what I'm trying to say? I understand the the the the benefit or I understand the privilege of living in England regardless of regardless of what what you did not you did you not say that no, we haven't benefited from America?

[00:32:27]>> I don't agree with her, but that still has >> Yeah. So, but you disagree. So, what do you mean? What am I talking about? What are you What are you upset about within black Americans? And why are you pointing to >> What do you mean who's upset? What do you mean who's upset? Who cares?

[00:32:38]>> You brought up the >> You You need to acknowledge that even if we are benefiting in any way, in any shape, or form.

[00:32:46]>> So you concede that you are?

[00:32:48]>> I don't think we are.

[00:32:50]>> We are. Like I said, I like I said, but if we did, like I said, it's back pay.

[00:32:55]And you don't seem to understand that.

[00:32:57]and and and honestly I don't have any desire to keep >> it's it's back paid that it's back pay that American companies right and American government have known on history to to destabilize countries so that they can go in and extract resources >> England do the same thing well clearly England as well what do you mean answer what you mean you live in America what you What did England do? You're not talking about England. You're living there now.

[00:33:31]>> YOU'RE LIVING THERE NOW. YOU'RE benefiting now. Are you going to donate to the children back in your country?

[00:33:36]Are you going to help them? No, you're not. What's >> You're just going to sit on here and talk about black Americans is my question.

[00:33:43]>> You said you haven't benefited from imperial.

[00:33:47]I already told you that because you are ignorant.

[00:33:49]>> That's what you said.

[00:33:51]>> And that's what I disagreed with.

[00:33:52]>> Okay, then I'm You know what will help?

[00:33:55]If if you could >> notice he's not gonna talk about Tim He's not going to talk about Timbu's regime at all. He would not do that.

[00:34:01]>> Say his name again.

[00:34:03]>> He would never talk about whatever that [ __ ] name is. His mouth is always open.

[00:34:07]I don't know [ __ ] name. But he's not always He don't talk about them African [ __ ] over there that oppress their own people. They never do.

[00:34:14]>> So So what? So somebody wanted a clear example.

[00:34:16]>> I'm not the reason why children are not eating at night in Nigeria.

[00:34:19]>> So clear.

[00:34:21]>> You can't blame me for that. I'm not the reason why your people is not eating, why they don't have health care, why they don't have ambulances. I'm not the reason for that. Go find some real beef.

[00:34:31]>> Okay, sir. Are are you are you >> okay? Uh who is who is uh who is Mike Jones? Go ahead. And then it's black, guys. Remind everyone what your ethnic background is and where you're based.

[00:34:42]>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Hey, everyone. Black American. All right. Uh I've been listening for a couple hours, which is sad on my end, but I'm on vacation. Anyh who, but uh just want to just comment.

[00:34:54]>> Don't not tell him that. Oh [ __ ] Don't tell him that.

[00:34:56]>> Oh no, no, no. Yeah. So like uh I I appreciate the uh conversation and everything, but I kind of see what old girl is talking about when like like you you're worried about FBA business, black American business. You live in the UK, but you say you're Nigerian. Like why not focus on what's going on in your home world? Like, why can't we focus on fixing things and then commenting on it instead of pointing out things that are wrong with other ethnicities and other people? I I've never understood that.

[00:35:31]I've been paying attention and listening to everyone, but even if someone's from uh lives in the UK, it seems like they're like, "Oh, yeah, I'm Gian or I'm Kenyan or I'm Nigerian or etc, etc, etc." but they have everything to say about all these other people in the UK or US, but they have nothing to say about their homeland. It's like they only want to claim Nigeria just for clout, but they don't want to claim Nigeria and identify and accept the fact that there's a lot of things that are going wrong in that nation. I I don't get it. Like, what what is it about black Americans that makes everyone so angry? just like you just want to just yell and you want to just point out these things. You're this and you're that you're this. Like what is it? Like we are just exist.

[00:36:18]>> Who's that question for?

[00:36:20]>> But that's it. I land my plane. All right.

[00:36:23]>> Who's it who's the question for? Who who is it for? Is is it for >> Oh, no, no, no. The question was for the panel. It's for the panel because you have multiple people coming in and coming out. coming in and coming out and I had just hopped in when they were kind of on the uh the black American FBA, let's attack them and this that and the third. So I was kind of commenting to that but my state was more that would be that would be to the one oh yeah well >> you know bearing in mind yeah these are saying >> are you going to help the women right now in Nigeria saying these are saying >> no you won't >> these are saying yeah focus on your own how listen to this is what I keep saying the hypocrisy is mad >> co you came on this live answer the question hold on hold on let me question.

[00:37:12]>> Let me finish, bro. Let me finish, bro.

[00:37:13]When you're talking to women and children in Nigeria, >> when you when you came on this live, you you were talking about you were talking about the Caribbean experience. Should you get keep your culture? You know what I'm trying to say? You tell tell us about what was happening with people in England. We weren't talking about man from America. Then how did Americans get into this? The Americans wanted to fast up themselves and say, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can relate to you because the Africans do this in America. Kley, am I lying? How How else did Americans talk about we don't care about you?

[00:37:48]>> Having healthare has nothing to do with the conversation though.

[00:37:51]>> The topic had nothing to do with Americans in the first place.

[00:37:55]>> I just healthare has nothing to do with this conversation either.

[00:37:58]>> So I can't lie. It's you know I've actually never with all the other words that people use that are from Jamaican pra I don't think I've ever heard a Nigerian person say fast before. You know, >> you're the >> You're the >> Notice he got quiet. Notice he got quiet when I asked him, "Will he help the women and children in Nigeria in his country?" Black Americans have nothing to do with that. Are you going to help your people?

[00:38:24]You You You have yet to say yes or no.

[00:38:27]Are you going to help your people in your country?

[00:38:30]Have nothing to do with that. Are you going to help the women and children?

[00:38:33]Are you going to feed the children? The children are starving. Feed the children. I do what I do what I do.

[00:38:39]Ain't it simple?

[00:38:40]>> You're not You're not doing a damn thing. You a worried about us.

[00:38:43]>> He's still deflecting.

[00:38:44]>> What did you ask me? What am I supposed to feed the children?

[00:38:49]>> Wait, let me answer. Wait, let me respond to him, please.

[00:38:51]>> What do you ask?

[00:38:52]>> Let me respond to him.

[00:38:52]>> I'll answer your question directly now.

[00:38:55]Okay. So, my my my question that I posed was, >> you know, um what is your ethnicity again?

[00:39:02]>> Nigerian.

[00:39:05]>> Nigerian. Okay. Yeah.

[00:39:06]>> And where do you live?

[00:39:08]>> In England.

[00:39:10]>> In England. Okay. So, >> why are you so focused on black Americans and our issues, but you're not focused on resolving the issues that are in your continental Nigeria, >> right? So, >> the continent of Nigeria. I apologize. F >> firstly, I don't know when you join the live. Did you just join the live or when did you join the live?

[00:39:31]>> I've been on the live for the last 3 hours.

[00:39:34]>> All right. So if you're on the live for the last 3 hours, you would understand that the focus was not Americans.

[00:39:41]In fact, the f the the Americans came onto the panel to speak about how they can relate to some of the >> That's not what I'm asking. Hold on.

[00:39:51]Hold on. Right. I'm getting to what you I'm going to answer.

[00:39:54]>> Focus. You asked me. You asked what was your first question? You asked me.

[00:40:02]>> Ryan, >> wait. You want me to rewind? No, no, no.

[00:40:05]I'm not going to do that.

[00:40:05]>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We've got a troll.

[00:40:08]Rand Ali, shut up, man. Shut your [ __ ] It's just dumb.

[00:40:12]>> That's an African. I'm telling you, that's an African. They want to say you all look like that. Is that stupid?

[00:40:19]>> I mean, you're you're the only people that do it. You're getting mad, but it's fact. You're the only black people that run around other people.

[00:40:26]>> Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You see it when you like do that [ __ ] This is why people aren't comfortable with acknowledging things when you say it because you do it from a place of trying to humble and almost curse. It's the way you do it. You do it from a a place where we know you're not proud. So you use it to say, "Oh, you're no better than us. You look just like us." If you DO IT LIKE THAT, WHICH IS why someone's not going to want to claim it because you go out of your way to make it something that's meant to make people uncomfortable as opposed to saying it from a place of genuine pride.

[00:40:59]You're there with your wig. I know for a fact, you know what? I'd rather you just come up on camera, brother, but let's be honest, you're not going to um you're not going to, especially not without makeup. And you you're there with your wig and then you're trying to say that people know you guys look just like this and you guys look just like this. Shut up, bro. Especially if you can't have your hair out when you're talking this [ __ ] Seriously, don't do that [ __ ] on my life. That can't run. I'm all natural out. Here's a lesson. Not play that game. Go ahead. You can finish your point.

[00:41:30]I'm saying, you see how he thought that I was being funny when I'm I'm speaking facts. I've heard all the time around Africans tell me out of nowhere, you look you're African, too. You look like And I'm looking like I don't I' I've been around Hispanic people, Asian people all my life, and they never do that to other Asians or other Hispanic people. They're not forcing themselves on other people. It's weird. Let's just be honest. And the if we want to keep it a buck, Steel Kate started in Africa.

[00:41:57]They don't like who they are. So, they want to force it on us. Me saying that I'm American and don't look like you when you tell me I look like you should not be a dig. But if you if you like yourself and you love yourself, you love what you look like in the mirror, me saying that I don't look like you was not going to hurt your feelings. Have ethnic pride. You don't have it. So, can you tell us how how did how did self-hate start in Africa? Tell me.

[00:42:19]>> Started in Africa because they sold each other. They sold women and children into slavery. They went to war with other tribes and sold people for cinnamon and they were still colonized. All that the bleaching and selling white dolls like really putting white people in parades going white Jesus everywhere. You don't see all that self-hate? Okay.

[00:42:39]>> I know.

[00:42:39]>> I can I can answer this too. I can answer this too. Um I'll give you a simple example. which I don't like to give examples like that. It's horrible.

[00:42:46]I don't like to glorify anything like that. But if you look at Rwanda and they had the genocide over there, right? But I don't like to I'm not trying to glorify that to make a point like I got you cuz it's horrible. A lot of people like died. But that's one example of it.

[00:43:02]But I'll go ahead and mute up again and let you two finish your conversation.

[00:43:06]>> The genocide is an example of selfhate.

[00:43:10]>> Seriously.

[00:43:12]>> Explain to me. Maybe I'm missing something.

[00:43:14]>> Like other black people. No one. No one No one dislikes an African like another African. The way that other Africans don't even like y'all are y'all go get other Africans and y'all say horrible stuff about other Africans. That's selfhate. That person's black too, right? And you hate them for no reason.

[00:43:30]And you the way you hate black Americans, the way you you say stuff about Caribbeans, saying that Caribbeans are the bastard children of Africa. Like it's a lot of animosity for no reason.

[00:43:40]No reason at all. black Americans and Caribbean.

[00:43:42]>> So why do you So why so why do you hate Africans?

[00:43:45]>> Because I I'm giving them the same energy they give me. I'm being divisive.

[00:43:49]>> Can I respond to that real quickly? Like question.

[00:43:51]>> First of all, let me let me I'm not Martin Luther King Jr. You >> let me respond to that really quickly because the issue back >> I already explained to you when I was talking about how black Americans on the whole are raised to be Panaffrican or at least they were raised to be Panaffrican which is how we got Quanza. I already explained that to you.

[00:44:09]>> Yeah. What's that got to do? What's that got to do with that individual to you?

[00:44:13]Do you do you know what is?

[00:44:14]>> It's a It's a national holiday. It's a holiday. I don't know. I don't know the specifics about it, but >> but you understand the general gist, right? It's a paffan holiday that black Americans >> brought to that we we took from other, you know, West African countries and brought that into our culture, right?

[00:44:30]And made it a real holiday. It's a national holiday here. Okay. So, at the end of the day, long story short, my point is, and like she said, you asked her, "Why do we start why do we start hating Africans?"

[00:44:40]>> No, no, no. I didn't say don't say we. I said you. No, don't don't. Whatever. I spoke on the individual. I didn't say we No, there's a difference though.

[00:44:51]>> No, whatever. Her reasons may be her reasons. I'm just >> Yeah, exactly. That's why I asked her individually. That's >> okay. But I'm going to answer you from the collective because I'm going to That's why I didn't ask about the She is not representative of the entire collective.

[00:45:01]>> Exactly. I didn't I didn't I didn't say the collective hate Africans. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT'S WHY I SAID you >> No, that that is what you're saying.

[00:45:09]That's what you've been saying this whole time.

[00:45:11]>> No, it's not. No, it's not.

[00:45:12]>> It is what you've been saying. Don't Don't He You're speaking about that now.

[00:45:16]But this whole conversation about black Americans saying is is is a response because you think that we hate you >> and I'm never hated you. I've never look like them and he got mad after you don't look like them.

[00:45:30]So mad. So this is so this is this is what I pointed out to Co as well when you said it. Firstly when you said you said we don't look like them, we don't look like them. I was like hold on what?

[00:45:40]Right. Right. But then I was like you cuz you said somebody said Beyonce looks Nigerian then cuz these before that were speaking about >> it was a Nigerian saying everybody >> right these before that was speaking about how somebody um told the um the other Jamaican guy that oh he doesn't look Jamaican. And then he was like, "Well, what does a Jamaican look like?"

[00:46:00]Then I was like, "Yeah." Cuz I was thinking, "What do you mean? Do you think all black people look the same? Do you think all Nigerians look the same?

[00:46:08]So how can you say when you were saying we don't look like them? We don't look like them." What do you mean? Do you think we all have one look? It doesn't even make sense what you're saying.

[00:46:17]>> So why and you you tried to say hold on one second. You tried to say Hold on.

[00:46:23]Hold on. Hold on. Let me say something.

[00:46:25]You tried to say you tried to have a response respond to Nigerians saying that we look like them. You do not understand what I'm saying.

[00:46:34]>> Do you understand the words that come out of my mouth?

[00:46:36]>> Do you understand? I'm responding to Africans, specifically Nigerians, saying we look alike, we look like them. When they come over here, you can't tell me what I've been through. When they come over here, they say you're African. You look like us. And they're forcing on us.

[00:46:50]And I don't look like them. I don't identify what do you mean African woman. I'm not African and I their face and they get mad and I don't care.

[00:47:00]>> So So you you equated saying that you created me saying that >> I have long hair baby.

[00:47:09]So what does that what does that wait so No, hold on. Wait. So African women don't have long hair.

[00:47:14]>> I look like me. I have long hair. So what does that mean? Long features. I have ad mixtures. We have >> So what does that mean?

[00:47:23]SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? You're not understanding that we don't come from the same lineage. But what does that mean?

[00:47:28]>> Let me ask one question. Let me ask one question.

[00:47:30]>> Doesn't doesn't mean anything.

[00:47:37]>> Yo, don't m I think I think you know like you know what truck I even that's just asking simple question.

[00:47:47]>> Okay, hold on. Uh, black black god. Uh, do you want to um jump in real quick so I can make sure everyone's spoken?

[00:47:56]There there are all types of >> Can you Can you hear me?

[00:48:00]>> We all know that.

[00:48:02]>> Okay. Go ahead, black.

[00:48:03]>> Can you hear me?

[00:48:04]>> Yeah.

[00:48:06]>> Yeah. I just I just wanted to ask one question cuz it's it's something that's been on my mind when I hear people say speak about America, right?

[00:48:14]>> Was your ethnic background Caribbean. I'm from St. St. Lucia. I'm Caribbean. Caribbean.

[00:48:26]>> Yeah. So, my thing is there's North America, there's South America, and in dead spot in the middle, there's the Caribbean, right? But for some reason, when I speak to certain Americans, they say, "You're not you're not a part of us."

[00:48:45]So, where am I? You know, I keep asking that question because if we know that part of you, then then how did how did I I end up where I'm at? You know, how do you correlate the North America, South America, and that piece of pieces of land mass in between the two north part of America? It makes no sense to me. Yet still, and I >> I think you're confusing.

[00:49:11]>> Oh, go ahead.

[00:49:13]>> All right. Yet still when I go to some other websites you'll see America St. Lucia, America Grenada, America Dominica, America/ St. Vincent, right?

[00:49:25]So you have websites that that correlates the Caribbean to being part of America, but yet still um Americans, especially people in North America, say, "Hey, you're not a part of us. You're all African. You're all this.

[00:49:38]You're all that." And it pisses me off because I'm like, "I'm not African either.

[00:49:43]I wasn't born in Africa.

[00:49:45]>> I don't even know. I don't have a grandfather from Africa.

[00:49:48]>> I think I think Hold on. So, I think I think something that needs to be made clear is when I hear people say, you know what, as Caribbean people like, yeah, it's still part of the Americas.

[00:49:57]Yeah, cool. Like, granted, it's understood. But when people are talking about America, we all know that we're talking about the United States of America. Like, we're talking about America. We're not talking about the Americas. But say so if if people who are in the states are trying to deal with specific things that are unique to their experience specifically in the states then anything outside of that will feel very irrelevant to them because they're focusing on their experience where they're from. If we're talking about you know the islands now the the Caribbean islands well then we've got our stories right we've got our we've got our history and so on. So I think um it would be disingenuous to kind of say well you know as as far as like the reparations conversation is concerned for example or something along those lines talking about the nature of what took place in America specifically um you know the segregation laws and all that other stuff that happened historically. It would be crazy to be like yeah okay but all the other islands you know in in America nah it's like it's a separate story. Do you know what I mean? We have our stories obviously in the West Indies and so on, but I think like usually when we're talking about America, we're talking about America.

[00:51:14]You know what I mean? We're talking about we're talking about Trump and like that that particular part of >> I >> the Americas.

[00:51:22]>> You see what I'm saying?

[00:51:23]>> I I I agree. I agree. But when I look But when I look at my family history, right, I had I had a cousin. She died at 99, right?

[00:51:33]She spent most of her her years as an American.

[00:51:37]>> He knows that. He knows that.

[00:51:38]>> She went up to America in 1915 as a little girl, right?

[00:51:44]>> Mhm.

[00:51:45]>> And she came she was as a little girl.

[00:51:48]So she was she was way So I'm just trying to figure out cuz when I hear all of cuz I'm not talking about you guys. I'm just saying in general when I go to different panels, they tend to look down on people from the Caribbean as as obsolete as as nothing. But yet still a lot of a lot of America, especially in New York, have Caribbean people.

[00:52:11]>> Yeah, I know that that make up the demographic.

[00:52:14]>> Who is the pleasure for?

[00:52:17]No.

[00:52:17]>> Yeah. Your family looked down upon Caribbean people. Not all the families in America looked down upon the Caribbean people.

[00:52:27]I have Caribbeans in my family.

[00:52:29]>> What's going on here?

[00:52:30]>> Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:52:31]>> It's a twofold type of question. I think >> I'm honestly relieved that I wasn't um I'm I'm relieved that I wasn't born, you know, every black American is different.

[00:52:41]We're It's a big country. We're in different parts, North, South, West, Midwest. But I'm in I was brought up in the South, a Gulligichi woman. And I that I'm not I wasn't raised Panaffrican. I wasn't raised like that.

[00:52:54]My dad made it clear that we're American. He has pictures with prominent black Americans. My doctors were prominent black Americans. So I don't I I don't know like cuz I remember when I one time I wanted to go to this Nation of Islam thing, my dad shut that down so quick. He was like absolutely not. Like they all they talk about is that that you know it's not even the real like even Arabic people told me that's not the real in their definition that's not the real Islam. It just it focuses on Africa so much like we don't have our own identity and we do. So that's why I never subscribe to it. I I I don't agree with that.

[00:53:30]>> I guess I'll speak for myself. I mean the the areas I grew up in people were definitely pan-African but I mean America is a gigantic country. It's a huge huge country.

[00:53:40]>> Sorry one second. Sorry one second le.

[00:53:43]One second. Uh >> no respond to people saying that we're all camera.

[00:53:47]>> One sec. One sec. One sec. Only imports.

[00:53:49]What are you talking about? Who's that addressed to first and foremost? Who's that for? Why? Why you don't Why you don't Okay, let's not even go into grammar. Why you don't fight for bath right citizenship in the UK? Why you focusing on this? Fight for you.

[00:54:09]I'll let you rewrite that and make it make sense. I don't know what you're talking about. Who's that addressed to who who needs to fight for for birthright citizenship? Cuz I know you're not talking about me. So, I need you to to clarify only imposs who that's for cuz there's no way that's for me.

[00:54:24]So, I'm going to let you make it make sense. Like, write it out. Write it again in uh and try and use punctuation and spell words out properly.

[00:54:35]>> You can probably ignore that.

[00:54:37]>> Let's do that.

[00:54:38]>> I someone there, shall we?

[00:54:42]>> Maybe it's just a regional thing. I'm from the Midwest, so you know, maybe people in the South didn't, you know, grow up that way or whatever. So, I'll speak for myself.

[00:54:50]>> Oh my god, just sound it out.

[00:54:52]I just saying I don't know if that's someone in the comments was saying that we're all Panaffrican. We're all raised that way we're not. And, you know, it it's fine for the ones that, you know, are raised in it, but I'm, you know, I'm in the South for real, like by Georgia.

[00:55:06]And, you know, I mean, we acknowledge our black American ancestors. We venerate them. Like, that's not a thing.

[00:55:13]Like, that was different. I didn't know about panism until I became an adult.

[00:55:18]Mhm.

[00:55:18]>> Yeah. And it might just be a generational thing.

[00:55:20]>> I was raised around it. Uh but it wasn't like I didn't know it as pan-Africanism.

[00:55:27]Like it it wasn't named. It was just something I was grown up in as far as like um after school clubs and events and stuff like that. But I didn't recognize it as what it was until I was an adult. I said, "Oh, okay. So that's panafricanism. That's a panafricanist organization."

[00:55:43]Um yeah.

[00:55:45]>> I mean, we always go to the Caribbean. I have Caribbean family members. I have um to that, you know, the guy from I think he said he's from what? St. Lucia or one of the Virgin Islands, I have half Caribbean cousins. I have half like they're half Puerto Rican, half Jamaican. Even though Puerto Rico is a part of the US, they are they are citizens and you know, we get along and I consider them like a cousin. Like they come in different colors, different shades. I consider them like my my Spanish speaking cousins. Like they're citizens. They're they're a part of us.

[00:56:18]So, I just want to address this whole thing with with Africans. I feel like they try to complicate it when it's so easy as a black American.

[00:56:27]>> Just one second. Just one second.

[00:56:28]Bougie, did you try and speak before before I started addressing?

[00:56:31]>> Oh, no, no, no. You're good. You're good.

[00:56:32]>> Are you sure if cuz I feel like it was you that was trying to speak.

[00:56:37]>> Oh, I'm just saying like, you know, like I have like half Jamaican, half Puerto Rican family members. So, I've been around Caribbeans like my whole life.

[00:56:46]Right. Oh, that was you speaking. I'm so lord. Who will give me stress? Know how long it is? We're here for time. I'm going after.

[00:56:55]>> I mean, I've been around Bahamians. I've been around like different.

[00:57:00]>> Go ahead.

[00:57:01]>> It's all right.

[00:57:03]>> Yo, I thought I was talking to someone else and it was Bruie the whole time and they're like, "Oh, Bruie, did you want to say something?" Like she weren't just talking.

[00:57:13]>> Yeah. I just think I just think Africans just need to understand for the most part I'm not going to say it's Africans.

[00:57:19]The main people that I see having this conversation are always Nigerians. Um and it's very simple. If you I get that maybe you want to be a part of us Caribbeans and Africanameans.

[00:57:32]You guys never seem to have a problem with like Afro Latinos for some reason.

[00:57:37]But for me being >> Yeah. being in a >> pay attention. If you actually pay attention, you'll see it. There's actually, if you type in right now, uh, type in on YouTube African African Dominican. It's a lady that's left a country in Africa. I can't remember which one. It's not Nigerian.

[00:57:56]It's not Ghana. Uh, it's another it's another country. I just don't remember.

[00:58:00]Um, but she's moved to DR and her whole goal is to essentially tell them about their African. She doesn't like that a lot of them don't call themselves African. I told you it's weird.

[00:58:11]>> It's so weird.

[00:58:12]>> You You actually opted and left and moved there with this mission in mind is crazy. So yeah, it >> and we don't do that. That is so weird to me. That's what I'm saying. But they want to say that I was being the vice of me. No. Who does that? Let's be honest.

[00:58:26]Who moved to other countries to tell people who were already there for hundreds of years their identity and who they are? That's disrespectful. You think Nigerian is going to do that? I was talking.

[00:58:36]>> Well, you're the main ones that do it.

[00:58:37]No, I speak to Nigerian. I said she wasn't Nigerian.

[00:58:41]>> Okay. Okay. Fair enough.

[00:58:42]>> It was some kind of African.

[00:58:45]>> Look at Look at Look at some type of African. Look at >> You're violated, man. Just African. He loves me. He's always responding to me.

[00:58:55]He loves me.

[00:58:56]>> That man came up to love me. He loves me.

[00:59:00]>> It's okay. I love you, too. It's okay.

[00:59:02]>> That's my >> I love you down. Kiss. Kiss. It's all right.

[00:59:07]>> This is the thing, right? You can't have it both ways. I feel like too many of you throw throw a rock and hide your hand, right? You can't have it both ways. You can't tell people they don't have a culture or a section of you tell people they don't have a culture, then a section you say you you guys are a part of us. It doesn't it doesn't work that way. There needs to be some consolidation amongst African people.

[00:59:28]whether or not you're going to accept that we have our own cultures, but yes, our answers are very much a part of you and leave it there. Or you're going to just say that none of us have culture and just leave it there. I find it I think a lot of people find it strange this recent upsurge of, oh, you guys are one of us. You guys look like us. You guys are part of us. Your food comes from us. Your music comes from us.

[00:59:49]Because essentially, >> your language in in in Jamaica's case, >> that was an argument.

[00:59:54]>> Okay. Voodoo and voodoo come from them too, which is >> But they don't want to claim that.

[00:59:57]>> Yeah. But you see what you just said about consolidation. Yeah. How can that that's never going to happen because there one group cannot be a monolith.

[01:00:05]We're not all going to think the same.

[01:00:07]There's always going to be ignorant people in groups who have their own opinions and stereotypes on whatever that may be. So, but if 100% if if somebody says you don't have culture, that's an ignorant statement because everybody has culture. No matter where it is in the world, there's always going to be some form of culture they have.

[01:00:26]>> Yeah. Everyone, everyone has culture, right? Even sometimes people say English people, English people don't have culture. Yes, everybody has culture, bro. Right. But what I'm saying is at the same time, if they're now saying, oh, like some some people are saying, all right, your brothers, your cousins, distant um distant cousins obviously removed, right?

[01:00:47]>> There shouldn't be an issue with that.

[01:00:48]That's how they feel. I think the problem is when people are telling you obviously you don't have a culture or whatever but that's just an ignorant statement in itself. Everybody has culture. So I don't think there's never going to be oh like oh we we all agree they don't have like no cuz >> so then there needs to be understanding then because I find that when you don't understand small things in a culture that seem insignificant but they are. One thing I can say about black America is that we don't do disrespect. We don't do it. I can say for the we just don't do it.

[01:01:22]>> Right. So even if it's a few of you, unfortunately that few of you they blight it.

[01:01:27]>> You understand?

[01:01:28]>> So that is obviously 100% I agree with that as well. You need to understand other people's cultures. Um, but let's be honest, a lot of people there there may be there may be a certain disconnect that you don't due to due to certain type due to certain types of um, you know, ideologies that you have, you may not understand. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Um, >> explain more clearly, >> right? Yeah. So, I can say that for example, I would say um, okay, I don't I would say that >> just to clarify because people are asking about her accent. She she's she says she's black American, but her parents in the military, so she moved to Britain. That's why her accent's different. People saying, "Why you saying black American? Why you act like >> Here they go.

[01:02:16]>> Here they go."

[01:02:16]>> Hey, can I speak real quick? I'm about to I'm about to go.

[01:02:19]>> Yeah. Go ahead, bro. Go ahead.

[01:02:20]>> I'm about to go.

[01:02:22]>> I'm in Asia.

[01:02:23]>> No, you can you can you can go.

[01:02:24]>> I'm in Asia, so it's it's almost like it's 1:00 a.m. here in Asia. But hey, I appreciate the discourse. I love all y'all. We all family. Love, peace, and hair grease. Y'all have a great evening.

[01:02:38]All right.

[01:02:38]>> Cool.

[01:02:39]>> Thank you as much. Take it easy.

[01:02:40]>> Okay. Go ahead. You can >> I was going to say that there there may be certain things that due to cultural perspectives like it may be hard for people to understand that. I.e. I I can prime example I'm Nigerian but I feel like I don't think my dad's or my parents generation would understand whining.

[01:03:02]They wouldn't they wouldn't understand it like the the the the the dance or whatever it is. I don't think they'd they they'd get the concept of it and I think that they would view it in a certain type of way. Do you get what I'm trying to say?

[01:03:17]>> In terms of what? Like who? What do you mean is whining as in what? Caribbean people whining.

[01:03:24]>> Yeah. Like when you like Yeah. Like when you're grinding on each other like whining on each other and stuff like that like they wouldn't >> Okay, now watch this. Watch this. Watch this.

[01:03:32]>> Um my grandparents wouldn't understand that either.

[01:03:36]>> Okay, fair enough. Then >> every in every community in every community there will be things that are deemed uh inappropriate, right, to specific generations. At one point in time, rock and roll in America was like, "Oh gosh, this is just a sinful genre.

[01:03:51]It's just bad youth, right? It's just how it goes." people look at people that are coming out of um uh Jamaica and out of the Caribbean as a whole when it comes to like our artists and and Jamaican dance hall artists and and they're looking at bashmet and ra all them things there and then they think they think oh yeah look at everyone's whining up themselves and that that must just be the culture. No, you just you're just seeing people that aren't necessarily conservative. People forget, yeah, that Jamaicans for the most part are a conservative people. It's a Christian country, but then there's going to be the other part of it where you've got like the music and the secular side of things. I was raised in a very conservative household. So, I grew up in a in Caribbean church. Like, that's what I grew up in. There's no way that any of them would have been comfortable seeing anyone whine if I did anything like that. It weren't in front of them. So, it's a it's not about like >> it's not a culture. You're saying it's not a cultural >> understand that. Hold on. It's not It's not like saying my parents wouldn't understand that cuz that they wouldn't understand that culture. It's not about It's not about culture in the way you see it.

[01:05:00]>> No, no, I hear what you're saying. I get it.

[01:05:02]>> Okay. More like a generation. More generation.

[01:05:05]>> Now, watch this. I've seen I saw a wedding. Yeah. I watched one Nigerian wedding. Some of them are fascinating. I do like watching certain weddings online. I seen one where the women were walking down the aisle, the bridesmaids, and they were twerking down the aisle.

[01:05:19]But a man were dashing money at them. I said, >> "No, that's mad."

[01:05:23]>> No, but they were doing that at the wedding and there were older people and young people. I SAID, "OH, THAT MUST BE >> WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. The people were the people that were getting the people that getting Oh, what do you mean? Wait, say that again. You said that they were walking down the >> prize mids were walking down the aisle twerking and the men that was escorting them were dashing money like this." I said, "What kind of stripper [ __ ] What's that?"

[01:05:45]>> Wait, hold on. But you see, >> HOLD ON. WHAT'S THAT? YOU SEE when they we see where you said they were twerking. Was it Were they Were they like like rotating their hips like shaking their bum or was it like proper twerking?

[01:05:58]>> They were throwing it back. Tw pat. They were doing that. That's what they were doing.

[01:06:02]>> Cuz you see that you see that thing of like like um like spraying them with money. That's not That's like a That is a Nigerian thing, isn't it? Yeah.

[01:06:12]>> I know. I seen that. That's that's something I like with the with the brides. I like the ones where they have a screw face and and and as long as they have to I like that [ __ ] Cool. Like I wish I could do that just without the Nigerian bit cuz obviously I'm I'm not Nigerian but I love to do the the money bit. That bit looks fun. But the women that were walking down the aisle, they weren't the they weren't the bride. So they were walking down and and they turned around and were like they were doing this with the tape. Like for real, they were doing this and the dude's behind and he started throwing money at it. And I said, "That's new. I haven't seen that." Now, granted, there were there were people of different age ranges there.

[01:06:53]>> My family, the the older ones and the Christian ones, there's zero way they would have looked at that and understood it, right?

[01:06:59]>> And I said to myself, "Oh, that must be a cultural thing." But generally speaking, right, I've seen I've seen Nigerian women dance. I don't see them whine. I think whining is a very Caribbean thing, but I I seen them twerk and all of that at club and whatnot. I don't look at it and say, "Oh, that's like a that just like a culture thing like I'm, you know, my parents wouldn't understand." I just understand that they're in an environment where they know they can do that without their parents looking. Do you see what I'm saying? It's just you got to think about age and and conservative behaviors versus >> certain generations may have that more conservative values then, should I say.

[01:07:37]>> Well, LET'S BE HONEST. IF A GIRL'S WHINING on a guy in a club, >> we know what that is. It's not It's not so cultural. It's just a cultural.

[01:07:45]>> No. No. I've had I've had discussions and people are saying that, you know, the whining thing's not sexual and it's just it's just dancing. Do you know what I'm trying to say?

[01:07:53]>> Watch this now. So, watch this. Watch this. I I had a Kenyan friend and a Congalles friend. One time we were all chilling. They were telling me about the fact that it's just normal to like uh catch a wine from a girl and it's cultural, they said. So, oh yeah, like that's that's nothing. it don't it doesn't mean anything and I'm saying oh well generally speaking when when when when we're doing it like it's not it's not innocent like it obviously means something there is a message that's been given you're flirting you're not you're not going to whom someone you don't like for example so you're saying you like just do that in general and they were like yeah like it's not it's nothing personal like when we're doing it so my thing is cool I understand there may be some cultures where it's it doesn't mean anything but generally speaking whining in the way you're you're describing it isn't something that like our grandparents and that and our pastors in church and so would be comfortable with because they see it as a cultural thing.

[01:08:49]Like wine is whining.

[01:08:50]>> Yeah, >> it's a sexualized dance. Like come on.

[01:08:53]Like we know that.

[01:08:54]>> No, I hear you. I I agree with you to be honest. That's a good point. I agree with you still.

[01:09:01]>> I agree with you.

[01:09:03]>> Anyway, guys, you said our grandparents do the worst.

[01:09:08]You listen, you see you see these like you see these grandparents. Yeah. You see how they act all sweet and lovely in their older ages and they act all innocent and like what and what you doing and no you shouldn't do that and ally. Listen if you like could go back in time and look at some of them. I'm telling you I ah wolf oh I'm telling you I know none of them were bad you know.

[01:09:30]>> None of them were bad you know. I know they were I know they were bads.

[01:09:36]I know they were bads. All you got to do is check the ages of like your oldest uncle or aunt. Yeah. And then check when they were born. Yeah. And then check And then check your grandparents uh wedding date and see if it if it if the person was uh born 6 months later after the wedding or not. Just just watch them.

[01:09:56]You know, they're funny. You know, I swear down they're funny. You know my mom my my na we went to France and she's all every time she say oh yeah right ah yes me love all of that that's how she told like that right I remember in France now I saw a different side of this woman I said yo who's this she said oh may I go get a French man tonight I said none didn't know that's who you were none Who is that? Looking for a French man.

[01:10:32]Lord have mercy. Okay. Yeah, man. I'm telling you that some of them freaky though. Freaky. They get in front of you and start praying please. They say Anyway, I go to bed.

[01:10:43]I'm tired.

[01:10:44]>> Good night.

[01:10:47]>> Good night. Thank you for having me.

[01:10:49]>> Yes. Thank you for that panel, babe.

[01:10:53]>> Thank you guys. I'm not even going to sleep cuz it would jack up my sleep pattern. So, I have to eat and watch Vampire Diaries and then stay up until it gets dark and then go to sleep and then my sleep pattern will be fine. So, a coma, I love you, too. Take it easy, guys. Okay, we will catch up next week.

[01:11:10]We'll pick up where we left off. For those of you that were waiting to come up, I'm sorry, but me tired. So, we will pick it up next week. So, request up next week. If you come on early enough, especially given that I've been on for over 16 hours, there's plenty of time to try and cover up, okay? and I will bring you guys on. So, God bless, guys. Take it easy. Good night, good day, good evening wherever you are. And have a blessed rest of the day. Bye.