'LOON-VILLE' & Thomas Berry on the Public Airwaves | July 21, 2026

[00:00:05]So, the progressives are now firmly entrenched in about 15 states, and that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. One of the most shocking situations is Minnesota.

[00:00:18]>> [snorts] >> So, over my life, I've been there many times. I used to take a few days up in Rainy Lake on the Boundary Waters and go fishing and jump in the lake. And you know, Minnesota was always a very nice place to visit. Now, it's Loonville.

[00:00:38]And I know there are good people in Minnesota. I know that you're not all crazy, but your government is crazy, and the majority of Minnesotans elected them.

[00:00:49]So, there are 10 electoral votes in Minnesota.

[00:00:53]There are 3.8 million registered voters there. Big immigrant community, a lot of Somalis, as you know from the recent criminal action.

[00:01:05]But the problem in Minnesota is political correctness and lack of perspective.

[00:01:11]That is the problem.

[00:01:13]And I'm not privy to why it's happening. I suspect it's the school. So, let's start with the governor of state, Tim Walz. He was almost vice president.

[00:01:24]So, Kamala Harris picked him as a running mate. He didn't do well in the campaign. He's not a very smart man.

[00:01:33]Um and he is but he's an ideologue. I mean, he's a far-left progressive ideologue.

[00:01:40]So, there was a guy who was convicted of a heinous crime in Minnesota, 42-year-old Tou Hou Vang.

[00:01:51]And he for years abused a 10-year-old girl. He was convicted.

[00:01:57]Okay? Of first-degree sexual conduct, criminal conduct. Okay?

[00:02:03]Now, his case then became up for parole. If you can believe this, the guy should have been put away for life.

[00:02:14]But, in Minnesota, they were going to parole him.

[00:02:18]And uh Walz supported that. And they did parole the man.

[00:02:23]If you can believe this, just step back.

[00:02:26]Step back. No emotion.

[00:02:29]So, this governor state and the parole board said, "We don't care that this guy did this horrible thing.

[00:02:37]We're going to let him out on the streets of Minnesota."

[00:02:41]Didn't have to. It's unwarranted. They did it anyway.

[00:02:47]Okay?

[00:02:48]Now, we reported on this extensively yesterday.

[00:02:53]So, Secretary of State Marco Rubio swoops in. Says, "No, you're not." Gets the Laotian, deports him back to Laos.

[00:03:03]And there, we believe he'll spend whatever horror of his life is left.

[00:03:11]So, you would think that this would be an embarrassment for the state of Minnesota, right?

[00:03:16]Wouldn't you be embarrassed if if somebody in your family member did this and and wasn't held accountable to the full extent of the law?

[00:03:24]So, the uh big newspaper there is the Minneapolis Star Tribune, crazy left.

[00:03:31]Going out of business. Uh you know, they're not uh a powerhouse anymore, but they used to be.

[00:03:38]So, the Star Tribune headlines, "Cheers to Governor Tim Walz."

[00:03:46]Cheers.

[00:03:47]For letting this man out of prison.

[00:03:50]And then they wrote a column by a person named Rochelle Olson, quote, "Thang's actions 20 years ago were awful, but so were the violent protests at the US Capitol on January 6th, 2021, and those folks received presidential pardons.

[00:04:06]Of the deportation, Walls said, "And just by picking them up and taking them out with no due process, it just seems unfair."

[00:04:15]Cheers to Walls for standing behind the pardon.

[00:04:18]This is printed in the Minneapolis paper. So, first of all, this woman does the whataboutism, which it when you get somebody doing that, means they have no argument. So, what about January 6th? There's no comparison between raping a 10-year-old girl and invading the Capitol building. None on the moral chart. None.

[00:04:47]If you don't know that, you are a so-called loon.

[00:04:53]Now, you can argue Trump's pardons all day long. I wouldn't have done it. I would have taken a case by case.

[00:04:59]Okay? Cuz some of those guys were bad guys in that Capitol.

[00:05:03]Okay? They were anarchists. They wanted to overthrow the system. Unacceptable.

[00:05:08]But none of them were as horrendous as Thang.

[00:05:15]None of them. And for this woman to put that out is outrage And then due process? Well, he had due process, lady.

[00:05:23]He was convicted, okay, of child rape.

[00:05:28]That's due process.

[00:05:31]So, Minneapolis Star Tribune disgraces itself.

[00:05:36]Now, Minnesota. So, you know about the Somali fraud.

[00:05:41]110 individuals arrested. We don't They won't give us a breakdown ethnically, they the state of Minnesota.

[00:05:47]um they're not all Somalis, most of them are.

[00:05:50]So, they ran a Ponzi scheme of $9 billion where they applied for COVID relief uh saying that they wanted to open uh food distribution centers. And there's no evidence they ever did that.

[00:06:06]They stole the money.

[00:06:07]Okay, and it was whole case wasn't cracked by Minnesota, it's cracked by a journalist.

[00:06:13]Okay? And now um you have how many convicted here? Okay.

[00:06:24]That's 66 convicted.

[00:06:28]Found guilty. 66.

[00:06:31]All right, 110 charged.

[00:06:33]That's a lot.

[00:06:35]Now, Walls and uh and the rest of the legislature Minnesota, are they repentant? No.

[00:06:44]They blame ICE. What aboutism? Well, what about ICE?

[00:06:50]Okay.

[00:06:51]Um now, Minnesota joins California, Massachusetts, Illinois, New York, Oregon, Washington state, and a bunch of others as progressive loons.

[00:07:02]Places that have no perspective, aren't interested in justice at all.

[00:07:07]And their conduct's appalling.

[00:07:11]Rational people know this.

[00:07:14]Irrational people don't.

[00:07:16]They believe what they want to believe, what aboutism all day long, whatever it may be. They don't care.

[00:07:24]Um but rational people, and I believe most Americans are, they know there's something very wrong with this, and it's tied into the Democratic Party.

[00:07:37]So, they may not like the voters, Trump, or the policies, but they're not going to vote for the Democrats who are this extreme.

[00:07:50]And that's the memo.

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[00:09:11]Trump and the corporate media. So, the war continues there. It's never going to end.

[00:09:15]Talk about a war that won't end.

[00:09:18]Um even after uh the president leaves office, still going to be he'll be sued, he'll be this, he'll be that. You just wait and see.

[00:09:26]Um so, he flies, the president does, last week on Air Force One.

[00:09:31]Uh the new plane uh given to us by the country of Qatar.

[00:09:38]He flies to Turkey from DC.

[00:09:42]And the I guess Secret Service find that the plane, the gift plane, doesn't have the security measures they need to protect the president.

[00:09:54]So, he flies back to the USA from Accra uh on a regular Air Force One. The New York Times prints all of this.

[00:10:06]>> [snorts] >> This is national security stuff.

[00:10:09]When a president has to change planes for security reasons, that's that's a big story.

[00:10:15]Now, Trump wants to know who leaked the information that the plane from Qatar was not properly outfitted with protective measures. So, um the Justice Department is issuing subpoenas to force the New York Times people and some of their relatives to give them their phone records. Of course, the journalists aren't going to do that. We've seen this play out many, many times. Okay?

[00:10:48]And but it's just another one.

[00:10:51]In the end, the Trump administration probably will not win it.

[00:10:55]Um but you know, there's a slight chance that other things could arise that would make it more they'll make it easier for the federal courts to say, "You know, we can't have national security secrets being slipped out to any media organization."

[00:11:12]Um the law says um that the television networks, the three, uh are beholden to the federal government.

[00:11:25]This is uh the FCC's bailiwick.

[00:11:30]And in addition to this penis the uh Trump Excuse me.

[00:11:37]Trump administration's threatening NBC and ABC the companies because they didn't run Trump's speech last Thursday. It's threatening to take away their licenses.

[00:11:49]Here's what it says.

[00:11:50]Subject to the provisions of this section the commission, that's the FCC shall determine in the case of each application filed with it to which section 308 of title applies, whether the public interest convenience and necessity will be served by granting or extending some of these applications.

[00:12:14]All right? It's because the government owns the airwaves.

[00:12:18]Okay? So, you can't fly in US airspace without permission.

[00:12:25]That's airspace.

[00:12:28]Interestingly enough sea space is 12 miles, as [snorts] we've explained.

[00:12:34]So, uh again, now the court's going to have to involve to see if NBC and ABC are serving the public interest, or they might get their license yanked. I don't think that'll happen, but it could.

[00:12:48]And joining us now from Washington is Thomas Berry. He's the director of constitutional studies at the Cato Institute. So, did I frame both of these stories accurately in your opinion?

[00:13:03]>> I think you did, but I think the big additional point is the First Amendment, and what role does that have to play here? So, you're exactly right that the statute says pretty vaguely that uh broadcasters need to serve the public interest, and that the government can pick who gets particular parts of the spectrum of the airwaves based on the public interest, but the First Amendment, the Supreme Court has consistently held, doesn't allow the government to play favorites based on viewpoint. So, if a president doesn't like a particular broadcast station because it's not airing either his own speeches or speeches favorable to him, and it turns out that's the reason why a license renewal was denied, I think a court would likely strike down that action as violating the First Amendment even if it's consistent with the statute.

[00:13:48]>> What about national security?

[00:13:51]If you have a reporter uh printing or broadcasting information that might put the president of the United States at risk, okay? Does that enter into the First Amendment debate?

[00:14:07]>> It certainly does, and that would be a more difficult factor that the courts would really have to get into the facts of seeing what level of danger did this actually risk. There have been a lot of famous cases going up to the for example, where the court had to balance the interests of news gathering and news reporting on matters of vital public concern with national security concerns. And sometimes national security concerns do win out. Just recently, the Supreme Court upheld the law banning TikTok 9-0 because the government had claimed that TikTok, at the time, raised national security concerns due to connections to potential Chinese ownership. So, it's really a fact-bound matter, but understandably, courts have to look for real evidence, not just uh claims. And I think it's a lot better if courts uh behind closed doors evaluate potentially classified evidence rather than simply assuming what the government claims is correct.

[00:15:02]>> Of course. I mean, you want the uh jurists who make their decisions based upon reality, not political propaganda.

[00:15:09]And we all know that President Trump believes that he doesn't get a fair shake from the network news and a lot of the cables, but the cables operate in different rules. So, we don't have the uh we don't have the uh free airwave stuff because people pay to get our product. Um whereas the networks are free.

[00:15:34]And that's the difference.

[00:15:36]So, you're sitting there and you're watching this war uh between the president of the United States and the corporate media. That That's pretty much what the war is.

[00:15:51]Who's winning in your opinion?

[00:15:55]>> I think in the long run free speech is winning because we have more uh sources of news than we ever have before. A lot of these doctrines about spectrum scarcity, about the FCC's control over the broadcast networks, those were decisions from the '40s, '50s, and '60s, the old era where you had three broadcast stations that had kind of a monopoly of uh television news. Now you have cable, now you have the internet, you have talk radio. There are many, many sources where people can go for conservative viewpoints in the media.

[00:16:25]And I think that conservatives and Republicans should be embracing that fact that we have a better free market of speech than we've ever had before.

[00:16:33]And I think it's concerning and eventually could well backfire if the FCC is overly aggressive here and tries to create a new standard that a president can by coercion force broadcast networks to carry a president's speech. Just 4 years ago many networks decided not to air President Biden's speech uh about elections and democracy shortly before the midterms. They similarly thought it was more political than newsworthy. That should be a call that each of them makes on an individual basis. I wouldn't want to force Fox broadcast networks to carry Biden when they don't want to, and I wouldn't want to force ABC to carry Trump when they don't want to. If people want to watch Trump's speeches, there are plenty of outlets on cable and online where they could do so.

[00:17:13]>> But there's an extension of that, and that is that the corporate media ignored the Hunter Biden dossier story by and large, which had an effect on the vote uh between Trump and the Democratic Party.

[00:17:27]Biden didn't wind up not running, but um the networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS, actively downplayed an important piece of news that might have influenced votes.

[00:17:44]And I don't know how that could ever be described as being in the public interest, Mr. Berry.

[00:17:52]>> I think what we've seen is a big reaction to that and in many ways uh a counter-reaction that's been helpful.

[00:17:57]So, Twitter has similarly suppressed that news story and as a result, Elon Musk buys Twitter and now if anything it's more favorable to the president than than any other big social media site. Uh and similarly >> you know, that I understand what you're saying here, but that was a a calculation based on business. The This is a government's role.

[00:18:20]So, if you have Look, it's totally possible in the next 10 years that the communist movement in America gets even stronger than it is now and becomes a player under the guise of democratic socialism, whatever they calling themselves today.

[00:18:40]There is a possibility that would happen. And if the network news, all right, and most of the corporate media buy into, I don't think they will, but it's possible, let's be communists, and the whole thing blows up. Last word.

[00:19:00]>> I think that we should totally change the paradigm, sell have auctions so that companies have to pay billions of dollars for the rights to these important spectrums. That would be a huge boon to the treasury. It would be a win-win, a hole-in-one. David Sacks, president's advisor, had suggested that.

[00:19:17]Get rid of the amorphous public interest standards and treat it like private property, like real estate, billboards, everything else in media.

[00:19:24]>> Well, but the highest bidder wins the networks and they're all in my opinion, pretty much against the Republicans and the conservative movement. All of them.

[00:19:37]>> I have faith in a in a free market. The right-wing conservative talk radio flourished in the '60s, '70s, and '80s despite a lot of FCC attempts to suppress them, especially under John F.

[00:19:48]Kennedy. In the long run, when the more power you give to the government to pick winners and losers in the speech marketplace, often conservatives are losers.

[00:19:57]>> All right, Mr. Berry, thanks very much for debating us. We really appreciate it.

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[00:22:20]Okay, final thought of the day.

[00:22:23]Uh as you know, I've known the president of 35 years, and he's 80 years old right now.

[00:22:29]Okay, so uh that puts him uh if I can do the math quickly, uh 45, maybe early 40s when I met him in New York City.

[00:22:41]Now, I've noticed that he uh is hunching over a little bit.

[00:22:47]And uh that's normal.

[00:22:49]As you get older, every malady in the world uh is going to visit you.

[00:22:54]I can't even bore you with the stuff I got to deal with. And I I was actually feeling sorry for myself the other day.

[00:23:00]I think they do that. But I don't know how Yeah, this and that and blood test and that and thing.

[00:23:07]But I know that as a president was a little so my advice to uh Donald Trump is to take the next month off if you can.

[00:23:18]Get into an environment where you like golf.

[00:23:22]And um relax a little bit. You got to deal with Iran. I understand that. Everybody understands it. But you can do that on the phone and you can do that with your people coming but need a breather.

[00:23:36]I need a breather and I'm going to build it into August. But he needs a breather much more than I do.

[00:23:42]Okay, so we wish the best for not only President Trump but all the presidents even Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter.

[00:23:53]Always respected the office. I did.

[00:23:55]Always. If you were confronting the president, you know that.

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