Civeris and Taggart brilliantly transform domestic voyeurism into a sharp sociological critique of how we perform identity through our clutter. It is a masterclass in high-camp semiotics that proves your choice of decor is never just a coincidence.
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Hello everyone. You are watching Interior Motives, the game show wherein you show us your bed and we guess who's been in it. Joining me today is George and Sam of Stra Lab. Hello guys.
>> Hi.
>> How's it going?
>> So good.
Could not be going better.
I'm so excited to get you guys on.
You're from You're like you're similarly in a in the same lane where you're calling objects, people, concepts. Yeah.
Gay or >> cultures even gay or straight? I'm really here with some experts.
>> Do you ever feel like you hear someone else talk about just like gay or straight and you're kind of like, wait, are you copying me?
>> Yeah. Do you ever start beefs with people?
>> I always literally every time >> I mean, yes. Like I literally it's not it we didn't invent calling things gay or straight, but I am kind of sometimes when I see someone doing it now or like if you're now launching a show that's gay or straight, not you, but like someone else, I'm like, well, that is copying us.
>> Yeah, for sure. For sure. But there's no beef here. Do we have beef?
>> We have any beef?
>> No beef.
>> Well, we both supported um Hillary Clinton in 2016.
>> Yeah. Politically, we have a lot of beef.
You both caucused for Elizabeth Warren.
>> We both caucused for Hillary Clinton actually in 2020, which a lot of people um weren't on board by then, but >> we think she had a chance.
>> Look, we're all losers at the end of the day in that gambit, so it doesn't really matter.
>> That's true.
>> Especially the candidate all three of us supported. Loser three times over, >> right?
>> Well, you guys know we see rooms, well, we're seeing rooms today from around the world. It's an international episode. on top of your bonafidas and stradio lab, you know, calling things gay and or straight. What do you think your international credentials are?
>> Um, as I'm wearing a red, white, and blue shirt, um, you know, I haven't really traveled that much. I did go to Italy once in high school, and I have been to South America a weird amount of times, but other than that, >> I have been nowhere.
>> Wait, where in South America?
>> Well, just cuz of shooting >> on a missionary trip. Sam actually was got co and had to was the reason they shut down production and I'm not making this up on the second season of Losa Spookies in Chile. Is that correct Sam?
>> That's correct. I was actually there were three cases in Chile at the time and I was almost the fourth. Um but luckily I I did come back negative but I had been exposed and uh it it made the whole production shut down and I felt a little bit guilty considering I had roughly seven lines but say la >> you know just he just another white man bringing disease um into Latin America.
>> Water day concistador.
>> Oh fully fully.
>> And George you were raised in >> Yes. I was raised sort of h I was raised like 50/50 but like back and forth not like all 50 and then all 50 back and forth between the US and and Greece Athens Greece which is where my family's from. And so I spent early like the first like 6 months of my life let's say in Boston >> then Greece I spent a year of my childhood in the Netherlands in the Hague.
>> Wow.
>> Um I was actually tried as a baby in the H. What did you do?
>> Um, it's crazy that that's still what it's called.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> I know. You can just like go there and not be on trial, which is interesting >> to to expose my own lack of international bonafiday. I for so long thought that that was just like literally the like a court. And then I met someone from there. He's like, I'm from the HEG. And I'm like, oh, congratulations on your acquitt. He's like, no, it's he's like, no, it's it's a city. It's like the thing with people from the H is like they do still they do have the vibe of someone who is sentencing a drug lord to death. So it's sort of like nature versus nurture. Um, >> wait, sorry, just to be clear, it's called the HEG.
>> The city is And you know what else? It's called the Netherlands, >> right?
>> Really, >> it's kind of like relax.
>> I know. It's But that that is that's very judicial in tone your honor.
>> The Megan.
>> Yeah. I lived in the Hig for 1 year and in fact my first I have no memory of it but my first words were in Dutch and so >> which my parents obviously did not speak and so there's like videos of me truly like crying saying being like I want water but in Dutch but they don't understand what I'm saying they're like do you want milk like do you want a banana and so I was there for one year then we lived in Greece for a while then I lived in New Jersey for very formative years like suburban New Jersey from like second grade to 8th grade which is why I you don't have an accent or anything.
And then we moved back to Athens for high school and I went to a Greek speakaking high school and then I moved to California and then I've been in um in America ever since. Iconic. See, I mean, you've seen a lot. I have not traveled that much. I have never been to Europe and we're getting a lot of European rooms. I mean, we're getting rooms from like all over now. When I first started the international ones, it was mostly like Western Europe, New Zealand, Australia, just like freaky white people countries, but they're really coming from literally anywhere now. I was really struggling with the European rooms. I've trained my eye a bit, but I've never been I much like you, Sam, I've only been to South America, Central America.
>> Okay.
>> And Bangkok once.
>> The difficult thing with European rooms, I would imagine, is that American references have a different American cultural products are different references in Europe than they are here.
So, like when I moved from New Jersey to Greece, I was like, "Oh, everyone's going to think I'm so cool cuz I like know about America." And then the cool thing, it turns out at the time in Greece was to be into like hard metal and to be wearing like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath t-shirts.
>> That's so Swedish to me, right? Yeah.
Nordic.
>> And I thought that was like kind of lame cuz that's like what the goth kids did.
And the cool thing to do was to be like preppy at the time, >> right? And it is no does it in no way pairs with like the beach or like having a coffee or >> totally >> anything like that.
>> Do you want to get started with the game? What do you think?
>> Let's do it.
>> Let's go.
>> This is how the game works. We're going to see three sets of people's rooms.
They submit two photos within each submission. There's also probably a fridge attached. If it's not a fridge, it could be a couple other things. Their car, their workplace, or a screenshot of their Instagram explorer page. Then we'll also get a written hint. At the end of each round, we have to guess their gender, sexuality, age, and location. And we are playing against each other. Oh wow, that's scary.
>> And people are like, I haven't seen a game show before where the host plays against his contestants.
>> Well, how do you keep it secret from yourself? That seems so hard.
>> My production assistant makes the decks.
>> Oh, production.
>> So, I see the rooms for the first time alongside.
>> Okay. I didn't realize this was a World of Wonder production.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> That's crazy.
>> It's me and one 27year-old girl.
>> Wow.
>> Well, they hold all the power.
>> One girl is all it takes.
>> One girl is all it takes. And if you want to zoom on anything, just let me know.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Oh, interesting.
>> Feels Soviet immediately. Oh, Soviet.
>> Do we have an I wonder if there are windows we're just not seeing? Are do we have a a an angle on the other side of the room or no?
>> One window.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Interesting.
>> Well, the choice to also take a photo in the in the evening is interesting, too.
>> This is complicating location for me. I mean, I think it's somewhere in Eastern Europe. Are they so are they such big fans of the Brooklyn Bridge there?
>> Well, it's like someone that used to live in New York or something, right? Or like >> or is it someone who really wants to go to New York and it's like a vision board? This is what I'm talking about when I'm saying American references are diff like >> or is it like someone who's like thinks it's ironic to put up Airbnb art >> or is it someone who does rent this out as an Airbnb when it's when the bed is like more wellmade and and you know cuz I could see this being a cheap Airbnb that I would stay at for example >> right because it has like so much character and it's like live like a poor gay Russian you know immersive experience >> but it also has this like neutrality that I think would photograph Well, if we got some daylight and maybe a plant or two.
>> But doesn't the the kind of lack of any color and the almost somber nature of this room just further imply some kind of Russian Bellarussian disposition.
>> But to me, the bike is is a bit playful too. That that is a bit Berlin to me.
This person still parties. Like look at all the outfits. A Russian person does not have that many outfits.
>> You know what I worry though is that that's it. Those are the outfits. Is that a jog strap?
>> Jock strap.
>> This is I I think it's a jock strap. But then there's also this um like head scarf.
>> Yeah.
>> So babushka babushka with a jock strap on it.
>> Also that stool. Can you go to the stool for a second? Is that so dirty?
>> It looks like paint.
>> Oh, okay. So we're dealing with visual a visual artist >> artist. Look at that. I mean I immediately thought it was a boy, but this kind of confirms it for me.
>> Yeah. It's power cord in the bed.
>> Sometimes it can be so comforting to sleep with the cord.
>> It's like tucking it in like a stuffed animal.
>> You just know that you can plug anything in with you. It's so nice.
>> So sad >> to have dark gray like dark gray fitted sheet is really tough for me.
>> I have been this person. Damn. I know.
>> With lime green linens.
>> Well, it's like you those are your friends sheets that they left they left that apartment and you're like I guess I just I'm not going to throw these sheets out so I'm just going to use them. or you're a college student and that was just what was on sale at, you know, Scandinavian Target at little um that weekend.
>> It was brat summer everywhere. So, they had the sheets on sale.
>> A couple points for gay. I mean, of course, the jock strap.
>> The jock strap. I can't see a straight guy unfortunately ever actually wearing one.
>> But I could see again like American cultural signifiers. Maybe he is a straight guy using the jock strap for its intended purpose at the gym.
>> What about the scar? What about the beautiful kind of Hermescoated scarf?
his girlfriend.
>> I That's what I was thinking. I could see. And it's so straight guy to hang the scarf next to his dirty jock strap and just be like whatever. Like she'll get it when next time she gets here.
>> No, this is a gay guy. He's wearing that scarf like over his winter hat and it's like trying to be a look and it's it's like working, but it's annoying too.
>> He saw ASAP Rocky do it in 2017.
>> Literally, >> it's literally jock strap on the bottom, scarf as top over his breasts on top and he's going out to the club. If we can go to the paper lamp, of course. Um, >> right. This is another huge point for a gay guy.
>> That's so gay guy. Cuz if it wasn't a gay guy, it would have to be a girl. Um, and there's no in between.
>> Here's the the complicating factor for me is this room really has like handme-down energy. And I almost feel like I I I I don't want to put too much emphasis on any one thing cuz I feel like all of them are things he found or or were passed down to him. Like what of what in this room do you think is his real taste?
>> This this >> Oh my god.
>> The ceramic.
>> The ceramic. That's >> Oh, there's some ethnicity happening here. This does look Russian. No.
Eastern European. Big mustache, big nose, brown eyes.
>> But or is it like Brooklyn ceramic? Uh sort of, you know, boob like there's that's the same brand that makes the boob uh ceramics.
>> Totally.
Tools. Lot of lot of lot of tools.
>> Oh, the plugs can help. I mean, it's Europe.
>> It's Europe, but it's not UK importantly because that is a Europe.
>> Those are three.
>> Yeah, those are three and they look like really just sort of grotesque.
>> This is another point for gay guy. He longs to go to New York. This is aspirational, I think.
>> Do you not think it could also be straight guy? I'm I I know what you guys are saying with the dragstrap and the scarf, but there's something about first of all the the bedding is obviously straight and then the framed Airbnb Brooklyn Bridge art to me I'm like if a gig I wanted to go to New York that poster would be of Debbie Harry, >> right? Lady Gaga Cat.
>> Yeah. It wouldn't be a sky the skyline.
Yeah.
>> The skyline as art. It feels very straight to me.
>> The lack of windows in here. I think this is also a window substitute cuz it looks like the lighting is very sunlight. Like it does look it looks is very very windowike. Look, I want to look at the bike. He has a router on it.
>> I mean, come on. This is straight guy.
>> That's awesome.
>> Do you think he intentionally textured these walls? I love I personally really love the wall.
>> No, I think they're cool.
>> Well, this is a live work space obviously because we see all the um art materials, etc. >> This like thrashed like sweater or something. It's very gay guy like >> No, you're right. The clothes complicate things, >> right?
>> The clothes really complicate things.
>> Let's look at the next photo.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, can we zoom in on the board?
>> Wait, the board has like little hearts on it. Okay. Another name. He loves New York.
>> And then that's a little [ __ ] Okay.
>> He's gay.
>> He's gay. Confirmed. 1,000.
>> Wait, go down. It literally says hat.
>> Sis. Okay. Sis. Sis head. Individual.
Oh, is this him?
>> Oh.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, what is this? What is this?
>> Oh, that's that's not actual money.
>> Is that like Harry Potter or something?
>> I [ __ ] know, girl.
>> What is that?
>> This lang. Is this um cerillic?
>> It's Sanskrit.
>> He's an ancient man.
>> Maybe aspiring model from the clothes >> or photographer.
>> Definitely a I could see a photographer >> cuz it's all him. It's like he refuses to have anyone else in the photo booth with him.
>> Wait, what is the het? The thing that says hatet. What language is that? Now, see, this is where I feel >> o n backwards n h e.
>> Yeah. So, it's Russian. And guess what it means?
>> What does it mean?
>> No war.
>> Oh, >> so you were definitely on to something with the Soviet vibe.
>> I mean, this could also be Ukrainian.
>> That's Yes. Yeah. This is funny because George, wasn't it you didn't you say right before we got on this that you didn't want to be debating if a apartment was invar?
>> And that's exactly what we're doing.
What if it's a like a Ukrainian artist that was after the war had to move and is an expat in like a >> in Berlin >> in Berlin or in a Scandinavian country or Vienna. Is the blanket on this Ottoman an American flag? I just >> Interesting.
>> It's an American flag.
>> Blanket on the very is it tattered American flag, but this also looks so designer to me in this way because it's it's 5,000 stars. It looks like it's probably nice fabric.
>> The cables are just everywhere.
>> The cables are [ __ ] everywhere. This is the one that was in his bed. This cable leads directly to this bed.
Nothing said.
>> No, this is someone, and I don't want to be disrespectful to those who have fled a war, but this person had to really put as many things in their suitcase as they could and go to Berlin >> and they chose this crap. I actually yeah I I was in Paris, not to brag, the week that the war started and um I there was or like the month the war started and there was like a Ukrainian popup, like a Ukrainian food popup in some French restaurant. It was some like millennials that were like, "We're supporting the Ukrainian effort by serving Ukrainian food." And it was like sort of Ukrainian hipsters that had just fled and they were like chefs and they were doing a pop-up in Paris. This person is very much fleeing Ukraine doing a pop-up.
>> He rented like a photo studio and he's like, "Seriously guys, I'm taking pictures for >> Yeah. And it's like portraits for peace." He's doing portraits for peace.
>> Half off. Half off.
>> And all the portraits are naked Twinks in the >> completely. And it's black and white for sure.
>> And then and yeah, an Arizona iced tea in a glass, which that's not so Russia to me. That is more >> I've never seen it in glass before.
>> Is Arizona that global?
>> It is actually. Interestingly, yeah, that is so random.
>> I had no idea.
>> It's such like a high school drink to me. It's like putting a bunch of your dad's tequila in the Arizona.
>> Totally. But it's also sort of like how McDonald's is like nicer in Europe. It's like >> Right. Right. Right.
>> This TV is taking me out.
>> I don't get Okay. Also, speak about ethnicity.
>> Oh god, >> the nose.
>> Something there's some ethnicity happening here.
>> I will not be commenting on that.
The TV is very like he has parties in this apartment >> and he screens porn. It's like that TV he puts on like ironic hardcore porn from the ' 70s to set the vibe >> or even he puts up a camera that goes directly into the TV. So like you like film yourself like and then you take a picture of the TV.
>> For sure.
>> Are those little perfume samples?
>> Cologne samples. Gay.
>> Cologne samples.
>> Yeah. Very very very very gay.
What's oraura?
>> What's what's oraura?
>> I have no idea. It looks like it's um putty, like wood filling. And >> well, he's eating it by the spoonful. It seems like >> he's eating it by the [ __ ] spoon. And then this >> I was trying to make a narrative that it was >> Okay, so is that a background for portraits?
>> I thought he had a gift wrapping station.
>> He's like, Christmas is just around the corner.
>> Okay.
>> Oh, you can almost see out there.
>> Yeah, it's so [ __ ] dark. It's Chernobyl. It's like totally blackout.
>> I'm seeing the window like that window um handle. I'm like what country >> in what country would that be the default?
>> I'm thinking Russia, Ukraine.
>> Oh, you're full. You're like we're still in >> You're still there.
>> We're still in Ukraine. Russia. You don't think they fled?
>> I don't think they fled.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> They just live like they fled if you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Which is another point for gay.
>> Always being on the verge of fleeing.
>> Always being on the verge of fleeing.
Let's see what else you fridge.
It's He's not getting >> Okay. No, he's fully This is This is Russia. Okay.
>> In Procco.
>> Prosecco. He's got something. Maybe he's on the wrong side. He's got something to celebrate. But then he has a big pot of something.
>> Yeah, it looks like it is um vomit colored. Whatever it is.
>> Maybe he made a split pea soup.
>> He's in the reflection of the pant. He's wearing a big red bathrobe with like maybe some house shoes.
>> It's very hard to make out anything.
Yeah, >> like a big red square. Wait, big red square. Is he in a a skirt or something?
>> Maybe it's a dress. It reads to me like a bathroom. There's no way this is a woman.
>> I mean, if it is, then I have some bad news for her.
>> I mean, lesbian.
>> It's not going to cut it.
>> Lesbian.
>> No.
>> No.
>> The the fridge drinks is so >> jockstrap.
>> Jockstrap.
>> What is your occupation landscape architect? It's a gay.
>> There you go.
>> Absolutely confirmed he's a gay guy. But that also confuses me a lot because a landscape architect is not 24. That like takes a long time to be.
>> You know what though in Europe sometimes you can just get a degree in landscape architecture.
>> You can get degrees and start and get a job in your field at 24.
>> Well, I don't know based on this apartment how much of a job we're having. I think it's like maybe your occup occupation is more aspirational.
It's like, well, I have a degree in landscape architecture and it is my second year out of college and I'm supporting myself by doing some photography still.
>> Let's guess.
>> Okay.
>> Who wants to go first?
>> Okay, I'm going to go first. So, I'm going to go 26 years old. Gender, sis, male. Sexuality, gay, maybe by no. Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay. Location, I'm going to Wait, you said Russia. Do we have to say what city? You'll get two points if you get the city on the dot. But if you don't want to guess the city, you can get the country. And if you're correct, I'll give you one point.
>> I'll just say Russia.
>> Russia.
>> George, what are you thinking?
>> Okay. I'm going to say 25 cisgender male. I'm going to go out on a limb.
Wait, these are people that have submitted, right? So they like >> they watch the show.
>> They watch the show. So that complicates things in terms of my theory that it's a straight person.
>> But nevertheless, you know what? I'm going to say bisexual. And I'm going to say Minsk.
>> Never even heard of that one. I'll say 27 sis male. I'll say by I think by as well because I do think he's in Russia and he might not want to say he's fully gay online as well. So I am going to say bisexual. I'm just going to say Moscow.
I mean what are the other cities? St. Petersburg and I'll just say Moscow.
[ __ ] it. I don't care. Let's see. Victor 22 sis male gay.
>> Oh my god. It was St. Petersburg.
>> I I can't believe you.
>> Look at him. He is the landscape architects in St. Peter snatched.
>> He got his lips filled like this morning.
>> This guy pulling up to build your [ __ ] house. Iconic.
>> That garden is going to cave in on itself fast.
>> He's he's a Ukrainian sleeper cell agent. Destroy the infrastructure in Russia.
I feel like over the last 20 years, all I've been doing is watching documentaries about how it's dangerous to be gay in Russia. And yet, we have people sending their face, Instagram, and room to a YouTube series.
>> Yeah. What's the deal there? Who who knows? Well, girl, not even sending the face, just having the face. This is the one of the gay faces.
>> And she has the face.
>> She has the face.
>> I am gagged. I love him.
>> Yeah. No, this is amazing. No, you know, imagine this voice speaking like rough Russian to you.
>> Yeah. He's like, and we're going to do a sort of pathway here with some uh granite.
Um I was right that he's right out of college and can confidently call himself a landscape architect.
>> Wow.
>> I should have trusted my gut and gone gone younger.
>> I am Victor.
>> I want to suck your coke.
Victor, I love you. That is so iconic.
Victor >> Hollander, I'm going to tend your garden.
>> Absolute diva.
>> Diva. Diva. Diva queen. Getting her hair bleached. Bleach for >> See, but this puts the like gray and lime green bedding into completely different perspective. It's like it's goth. Like it is intentional.
>> Or George, that's just what high fee apartments look like in St. Petersburg.
That's the equivalent of having Lady Gaga all over your [ __ ] bedroom in St. Petersburg.
>> I mean, it it it still makes the New York skyline deeply confusing. Like I to me, this person is the the biggest ledge lord on earth, the bravest, most bold man who's ever lived. And yet his like focal point is a Brooklyn Bridge clip art.
>> I am blown away. Victor, thank you for submitting. Everyone go follow Victor.
Um, >> thank you, Victor. report him to the Russian government at Sub Ponte. Um, let's get our points in here. Sam, you get sis mail, you get gay, you get Russia, and no points for age because George, you guessed youngest, you get one point for age, you get sis male.
>> I get sis male and Moscow. Sam, you're leading the pack. You've got 300 points.
Let's see our next room.
>> Oh, Cape Cod.
>> Squatter at a Cape Cod Airbnb for sure.
She's refusing to leave the Airbnb in Cape Cod.
>> I think it's girl.
>> Well, it's obviously it's it's girl and it's like >> it's not obvious to me that it's girl.
>> Really? Say more.
>> Sam, look at I mean, >> come on.
>> Look at this setup, girl.
>> Okay, you're right. Okay.
>> Unless it's another high fem gay guy >> like Victor.
>> No, I mean the the hair straightener.
>> The drink is so funny. And the drink to three literally half full glasses of water is the most female thing I've ever seen in my life.
>> There's a little photo booth photo of her. All right. Or a friend, but I feel like it's probably just her.
>> It's definitely her.
>> And then that's her with her mom to the to the left.
>> No question about that.
>> Seashells. Okay. Not beating the Cape Cod allegations.
Just a million Kylie like abandoned Kylie Cosmetics lip glosses that she never used.
>> No, this is a [ __ ] landfill. All of this [ __ ] is crazy.
>> You know, girls are disgusting in their private spaces.
>> And look at this. One AirPod, two AirPods, corded headphones.
>> Oh, she is. She has gone deaf. She has not her ears haven't been bare in years.
She has headphones in at all times.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. It's full just like James Charles lip kit crap.
>> James Charles te's >> they are dirty in this way where it is just like everything is just like covered in a thin powder of like setting like foundation whatever the hell it's called >> completely. Well, you know what it is?
It's like girls are all Dorian Gray and that they look fabulous and then their room is is aging while they're not like the room looks disgusting so that they can like go out to the big event and have like flawless skin >> 1,000%. What is this light situation she's got? She's like staring into a 2 million watt like light bulb to get her foundation on. George, she's deaf and she's about to go blind from >> She's about to go blind.
>> No, she's sacrificing so much for beauty.
>> I'm wondering if she like literally makes Tik Toks testing out different makeup items being like, "Today we're trying out Trixie Mattel's foundation >> 1000." And the camera only gets behind her. So they don't know that the front is completely disgusting.
>> Yeah, behind her it's stunning.
>> It's a green screen and it's like Hawaii.
>> It's a Kim K mansion green screen behind her. Yeah. All white marble for sure.
That would be awesome. The plug is European.
>> Yeah, that looks European to me.
>> Yeah, it looks European. This is a tiny room. I think addict in parents house.
>> I was about to say this is definitely parents house. Can we get to the that poster on the right?
>> I mean, are you K-pop stands?
>> Oh, that's K-pop.
>> No, I'm not a K-pop stand.
>> Okay. It's Mikey Madison if she was K-pop.
>> Right. Right. And then this is one of bands. That's >> Yeah, that's definitely K-pop cuz I'm seeing upwards of 15 women.
>> Yeah, it's like 30 17year-old Japanese girls that they're just like swapping out like crazy. I do not for the life of me understand how fan culture is expanding to like literal universities of girl like like thousand girl girl groups and you know all of them all the internal beef that is happening who tore their knee who's up next like it is insane.
>> No, we're building up to someone being like yeah I'm a really big fan of you know Sigma Delta in uh in Michigan State like they were so good this year.
>> Yeah, it's too many and too many too fast. It's really crazy.
>> Oh, language.
>> Wait, the language.
>> LiFy, Anna, Nordic, something probably. And just more scattered makeup palettes on the [ __ ] ground.
>> Q-tips all over the floor.
>> Oh god, girl.
>> The Q-tips.
>> Come on, honey. It's because she leaves those damn AirPods in and builds up and she is literally going deaf. Take the [ __ ] AirPods.
>> This is crazy. She's taking the ear. Oh my god, they never stop that.
>> I know there's there's probably 30 back over here. I think she's also like fully 19. There's art supplies down here.
>> It looks like maybe she has abandoned her art practice because there's sort of they're no, you know, on top of the desk we only have makeup. She kind of she used to be an alt girl and then one day she was like, you know what? Like, [ __ ] this. I need to lose my virginity. I'm 17. Enough with being like a brooding art girl. I'm going to go full glam. The face is the canvas now.
>> The face is the canvas. Exactly.
>> Calendar. I want to see this calendar.
Please let me be able to read it.
Birthday in English. Birthday in English.
>> Wow. Well, not a very busy >> not busy >> gal >> cuz she's she's 18.
>> Yeah, she should just write school school, >> you know. Or is it like she graduated high school last year and isn't off to college yet or doesn't want to go to college or is taking a year off? She's in a transitional state.
>> That said, she's not transitioning.
>> Okay. I was going to say, whoa. I This could be young transgirl.
>> You think?
>> Yeah, that's a good point.
>> I could see a young trans girl abusing Q-tips.
>> Well, cuz also that fits the narrative of like was an artist and then was like, "Actually, I'm trans and now I'm just going to paint my face over and over."
>> Yes.
>> And she'll come back to artist obviously, but she's taking a break to work on other things.
>> Let's see what else she gave us.
Yeah, the the J-pop, K-pop, whatever the hell this [ __ ] is. No offense, I have no idea.
>> But this is high school girl to me.
>> It's high school girl. Yeah. Viva.
What's thatam?
>> What's that?
>> Okay. What language is that?
>> Corn.
>> Corn. Go glam.
>> Wham. Bam. Corn. Go glam.
>> Now, this complicates every narrative we've come up with so far. Like I'm like, okay, so she's much older than we're saying.
>> But also, you'll notice it's K. The whole thing is that this photo shoot the corn did, they're wearing like drag queen makeup.
>> But in this way, it does make me think Scandinavia because of the like hard rock of it all. And like maybe her parents love corn and they had corn magazines and she's like, I love makeup.
>> Imagine your parents loving corn.
>> That would be tough. So that would be really tough.
>> [ __ ] crazy.
>> Do Do you like corn? No, that's my mom's.
>> My parents. Oh, also I'm going not trans because we're seeing all these like photos like baby like Right.
>> I think it's just like a random Chica.
>> It's a random Chica as hell. What's over Oh, Buork.
>> Bork. Yeah, but in Scandinavia that's normal.
>> She's in every home. She's in every airport, every government building.
There's a giant photo of Bork.
>> Like in Scandinavia, if you like Bork, that's like here. If you like, you know, BB Rexa, like it's not it's not alt.
>> Well, I'd say it's pretty alt if you like BB Rexa here, to be honest.
>> I guess that's true.
It's something that's for sure.
>> Huh. Maybe a Catholic majority or somewhat. There's a Catholic presence in this country. But then there's also >> Oh, and an evil eye. Now, evil eye is interesting cuz I don't associate evil eye with a Scandinavian. Um, >> but it's girl again. They're like obsessed with being like my haters. I need to keep them wonderful. Like, it's so my haters. Let's go in on the clothes.
>> Okay.
>> Dark, >> which are not folded at all. No, >> they are all very monochro. It's really like blacks, whites, grays, >> and >> on the bottom, I'm seeing something a little more alternative there. Oh, >> yeah.
>> It's a belt attached to a choker.
>> So, I think she is kind of goth. I think she's kind of goth and >> it's cozy, too.
>> Can you be goth and K-pop?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I think you definitely can.
>> I think this girl's doing it >> cuz also there's enough K-pop groups that you can like curate which ones you like to be the goth ones. Like some of the ones she has posters of have like heavy metal fonts.
>> Definitely her. Even though they're they sound the exact same. She's definitely bisexual at least.
>> Yeah. I don't think she's straight. I don't think she's straight.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think she's like she could be young enough where she's bisexual, but has only had experiences with men, but is like doing this thing where she's like, "When I date a girl, everything's going to be perfect, and she doesn't know yet that when she dates a girl, she's still going to have problems."
>> I feel like putting those like patterned postcards on the wall is such a straight girl thing. Now, that said, they could be from before she came out, even to herself, which was approximately nine months ago, probably considering she is once again 15.
>> The amount of realizations we're putting on this girl, like she's trans, she's going to find out she's a fake by 19year-old.
>> And then a varsity jacket.
>> Varsity jacket.
>> That's kind of lesbian to me. Big varsity jacket.
>> That's true.
>> But I think big varsity jacket can also be straight girl, boyfriend jacket. And also just like again the reference is like the reference is only she saw a K-pop star wearing that.
>> Yeah. And they love to be like look at my big jacket to show how little I am.
>> Can you imagine that big jacket with the um parent rated, you know, no parents allowed belt >> leash over here.
>> Goth leash varsity jacket.
>> Big boots.
>> Big boots.
>> Huge boots.
>> Face beat for the gods. Q-tip stays in.
Let's see what else she gave us. She gives her IG explorer.
>> Oh my god.
>> Oh, >> Alex Jones with >> See, this is um >> this is just like Jen, like young Gen Z brain rot. You know what I mean? Like all of this, we can't look into it too much because all of it is like 15 layers of irony that we don't understand.
>> Wait, go to this one that's like why you heal me.
>> I This is I mean >> why #mood # >> why why you heal me like that.
>> Why you heal me like that?
>> Yep. It's a meme. Why you heal me like that is a meme, >> folks. It's a meme.
>> It's a meme. Geeked for sober. She's like, I wonder what my paintings would look like if I was on freaking mushrooms.
>> Is geeked on mushrooms.
>> Geeked is on um stimulants.
>> Oh, >> some kind. And honestly, the silver one looks better. I'm just going to >> Yeah, I like the silver one.
>> Oh, yeah. Way better.
>> Way better. Young Lean.
>> Wow. To be able to recognize Young Lean.
>> I know. Ring the alarm. That's >> right. He's Swedish.
>> I believe you. That one dude trying to soft launch a beret. Wait, >> by the way, like that's funny.
>> That's funny.
>> Military time, but that's a lot of Europe anyways, isn't it?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Favorite piece of celebrity gossip at Zack Afron is a yacht boy. What does that mean?
>> What does that mean?
>> Yacht boy.
>> A fan of real yacht?
>> I don't think so. Is it like a pool boy?
Like pool boy?
>> Like he like hooks like he's like a sugar baby >> or like casting.
>> Okay, I know what it is. YouTube. Zack Efron is a yacht boy. He's being pimped out to elite men.
>> I believe it.
>> I don't buy it.
>> Maybe that's why he had to get that new giant jaw. Like he was like, "I'm done being a yacht boy. I'm a yacht man."
>> And the more you hang out with 60-year-old, you know, groping Hollywood gay men, the just more filler that accumulates.
I think that's what's happening. It follows happening with filler. Yes. Yes.
Exactly.
>> Let's guess. Um first this time.
>> Okay. I'm going to do I'm going to say 19 sis woman. I am going to say straight and I'm going to say location Warsaw.
>> Warsaw.
>> Wa.
>> Interesting. Sam. Yeah. What are you thinking?
>> I'm going to go 18 cis woman bisexual.
I'm going to go Montreal, Canada.
>> That's a good guess.
>> 20. I mean, I'll say 20 just to prices right you guys.
Transwoman, >> the trans woman 75.
>> Uh, bisexual and location is tough. Um, I'm just going to say Norway.
>> Okay, that's good. That's good >> cuz it feels cold and like depressing.
If I >> It's cold for sure. All those sweaters.
I didn't see a single non sweat.
>> I'll just say Poland generally. It doesn't have to be Warsaw.
>> Okay.
>> Let's see.
>> Okay. Ava Claire 21 sis one queer reche that makes sense. Oh my god. In Buork.
>> We didn't even think Iceland.
>> Damn.
>> Sorry honey. We all forget about Iceland. Sorry Ava. We forget about you up there.
>> Ava, I got to say you're painted for the gods.
>> No, I'm like whatever you're doing, it's working. It's like between the ages of 19 and 21, she learned how to serve.
>> Oh yes.
>> That is so interesting.
>> Wow, she's stunning.
>> I can't believe you forgot about Iceland.
>> Damn, I'm flopping hard >> with the [ __ ] pork there.
>> We're fools, George. Yeah. No, it's it's not looking good for me.
>> You get Well, you get sis woman and that is it. I'm sorry, George. Sam, >> so do you guys get queer like because you said bisexual or is that a different sexuality?
>> What do you George? What do you think?
You're >> obviously I don't want you to get the point.
>> Usually I go with what is written verbatim, but sometimes people will really argue for points on the show.
Sam, do you think queer and bisexual are the same thing?
I think in this instance, yes. I think she's trying to, you know, be more inclusive with her language, but I think what she really means is she's bisexual.
>> Wow. Interesting.
>> So, Sam, you get a point for siswoman. I can't do queer. I cuz then I'd have to give myself the point. And that would just simply feel good.
>> Sam, I'll give you the point. I'll put you at 500 then. How about that? I won't take it for myself. I get age. Do not get gender. I won't get queer. Who's would I I'd be closest on location then.
Norway Montreal.
>> You're definitely closest on location.
>> Let's see.
>> Dark dark.
>> Oh my god, the TV.
>> I'm back to Berlin.
>> Let's look.
>> Wait, but it's so Let's Yeah. Are the leaves there? Is this like >> It looks like it's spring perhaps.
>> It could be >> lots of graffiti.
>> I actually could see this being Montreal, right?
>> I feel like it's still too cold up there right now for like that many leaves to be here.
>> Right. Right. Cuz it's live. More dad flowers. Another kind of another goth person. This this mug of water girl.
>> Well, that's kind of German to me, isn't that? That's so German pint, whatever the hell. Giant speaker system and giant [ __ ] TV at the foot of the bed. This is so depressing.
>> It's so like goon gooning article coded.
The speaker system and the TV right in front of you on the bed. There was barely any sheets on it. I mean, this place is getting Airbnbed out bad cuz it's so just like we have a TV in the bedroom, too. Like, >> it's so narrow, which it has to be some like real estate hell city.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Can we see that orange um work of art?
>> Yeah. Let's see what's up here. Future >> future. Future. Okay. So, sort of a graphic design.
>> Okay. So, that's painting a picture for me already.
>> It's a trans man. Sorry to be so one equals one about this literal. I I can't imagine like it's other trans men reading that damn book.
>> But don't you think it's also bisexual sis woman who like is literally overflowing with empathy and like needs to be submerged in others stories in order to live.
>> I forgot about siswoman empaths. So this could definitely be >> but there's also a world in which it's a gay guy who still does like act up cosplay >> which I feel like is huge in Berlin.
>> Definitely. For sure.
>> Okay. The p the future future post frame poster is giving Berlin to me for sure >> like at some party or something >> or even like like it's from a design museum or something.
>> Can you go more to the left on the bookshelf here? There's some more books.
>> She's always hungry. The [ __ ] >> The [ __ ] The [ __ ] is gay guy. Gay guy.
>> Gay guy. And then Octavia Butler, which is not gay guy to me.
>> Did Octavia Butler write a book?
>> You're thinking of Octavia Spencer.
Octavia Butler.
>> Oh, I was like, what the [ __ ] Wait, who's Octavia Butler?
>> She's a sci-fi writer. She wrote like Parable of the Sewer, but I think that could also be Oh, this is tough.
>> This is >> This pink book says how to be a goth. I imagine that's probably somewhat ironic and it's maybe some kind of like auto theory. I don't think it's literally a manual unless this person did this room 2 minutes after reading that book and it is like everything's black. That's step one. Is this a gay trans man?
>> It definitely could be a gay trans man.
The [ __ ] is like a foundational gay guy book. It would be really tough if it was anything other than a gay guy.
>> Even the black leather couch is so like I'm a I'm in my 30s, but yeah, I'm kink positive.
>> Like 1,000%.
I think this is just it's a veiled woman or person.
>> Okay. Ethel Kane fan. This would be such a horrible room to live in. No offense.
Scandinavian prison.
>> This is a place that unfortunately I'd be like if I saw it on Airbnb, I'd be like, "It looks cute."
>> I agree. I I I It's like >> But then I would live there for a week and I'd be like, "What was I thinking?"
>> I mean, I just want to say for me, of the three rooms we've seen today, this is definitely the one I would want to stay in.
>> Yeah.
>> It has less of a like eeriness about it.
And the, you know, the bright light coming in, you're sleeping next to the window. And I think actually the fact that I'm responding to it is another point for gay guy.
>> Yeah. I agree >> right about the sunlight coming in. Look at these curtains. Floor to ceiling, blackout curtains. So they are doing so much. Three, four, Berlin speed paste G.
They are coming home 2 days after they left, shutting these and sleeping like a [ __ ] mummy >> completely. And you know what else they're doing? Criterion channel movie marathons on that giant TV in the middle of the day. So, they need the blackout curtains cuz they want to be able to watch, you know, Jula Jim. And that goes into their interest in literature and sci-fi. They're also waking up at 6:00 p.m. and just immediately going on every sex app they can completely.
>> No, there are men crawling into that room from the window. Like, they're just going in through the window and then going out through the window. People are dying.
>> He's airplane sniffies to this 80in TV screen. He's opening the window, putting out, you know, half his torso and going, "Who wants to [ __ ] me today?" And then people are are crawling in. This the weather is confusing me because it's so springtime and I feel like in Berlin it wouldn't be that nice yet. Is there like a a gay sex graffitied city in Spain, >> right?
>> Like this window though is open and Germans love leaving their damn windows open.
>> I'm That's what I think. I'm sort of like I think this might be Germany.
Let's see the next photo. Oh god, it's Germany. This is They are [ __ ] They live in Burkheim. I mean, these [ __ ] clothes are so Also, this studio photography lighting for their house.
Yeah.
>> And the pull-up bar, of course.
>> Pull-up bar. Locker locker storage.
Fascinating. Is that What is that? Is that leather?
>> They have some leather gear for sure.
>> Oh, it's definitely leather gear.
>> It's a chest plate with pecs and abs.
>> Well, that's kind of cool. And then there's more leather stuff hanging on the door handle. I think >> there's so much leather stuff >> like right there.
>> This is like a [ __ ] like deconstructed purse. It's like seven little bags or something. I have no idea.
>> Now I'm like is it trans guy dom?
>> This is very trans like >> that's true. That's true.
>> Playful like funny like stunty the black shirts. Then another >> Oh my god. Like a latex.
>> Wow.
>> Tank top.
>> Mm. They are doing things that I don't want to see in the club. Damn.
>> Is that a a Balenciaga hat?
>> It's like one of those hat with like a funky bill.
>> Yeah, it is Balenciaga.
>> It's a Balenciaga hat. Two of them, white and black.
>> Oh my god. And they have a little for the hats.
>> Oh my god. This is so [ __ ] tacky. To repurpose a $3,000 wig stand for your Balenciaga hats. It's a gay guy.
>> Okay. Dried flowers. It's not always depression. Well, >> I think it might be diva. That's crazy to have that displayed there.
>> But it's because they're vulnerable and honest about their like struggles with depression and mental illness. Girl, paint the [ __ ] wall something other than black and gray.
>> Yeah, >> that' be my first piece of advice.
>> I'm back on this as a sis gay guy.
>> Kofka.
>> Kofka. And then that's German.
>> This is someone who like intellectualizes night life. Like this is someone who's like pretty much nightife is about queer liberation and fisting is about feeling each other's heartbeats.
>> Yeah. It's about quering the body. This is someone who gets like so much consent. It's like not hot anymore.
>> Yeah. Yes. Yes.
>> The consent is constant.
This candle is taking me out again. Just another like $3,000 object.
>> That melted black thing. It looks horrible. Sorry. So, I forget that these people watch.
>> This person Sam loves being humiliated.
>> So, it's totally fine.
>> This is interesting. They are definitely they have like money. I think they work as a designer or otherwise in tech in maybe like a startupy kind of environment, but they have a very vibrant social and sex life.
>> Yeah. You know, when when I was in my early 20s, I had this fantasy. The company Soundcloud is based in Berlin, and I had the fantasy that I was going to work at SoundCloud cuz it was such a cool company. I don't know what I thought I was going to do for them, but and then I would get to have like European work life balance, 9 to5, going out every night.
>> I'm honestly jealous that they can do this.
>> Yeah. No, it sounds like a nice life for the most part >> for, you know, you can keep the fisting and the, you know, the rest of it. Oh, wait. Speaking of, is this someone literally >> I'm just >> I can't see that. Well, what is it?
>> Wait, what is it? I can't see it.
>> It looks like someone kind of like hugging themselves. It's in another like completely obscured expensive piece of artwork. This says Subterfuge up here.
Probably another Berlin sex party.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> IG explore. Oh god, here we go.
>> It's gonna be [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] >> It's gonna be a lot.
>> It's gonna be so many like naked guys next to $4,000 chairs.
>> Yeah.
>> And like frontf facing videos explaining sex >> consent infographics.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, >> this is actually, you know what, but this is the person's design um background. Their Instagram is mostly for prof for their professional work where they like draw different kinds of straight lines and different colors and talk about like the feeling that it creates in the customer.
>> No shocking evidence here. This is very German to me. Military time do not disturb is on. You need consent to text and then you consent to text me.
>> Please do not text me without my consent.
>> Don't you even dare hit that notify anyway button because the police will be called.
>> That is abuse. Um >> texting is abuse. Yes. Sometimes it really does feel like that though. Uh I recently read this one book called Perfection that was about people living in Berlin basically and every single place we look at I'm like oh it's that book like I haven't even seen it for real and now I'm seeing it all >> right. Give us your own hint. I'm into astrology but I also >> wait a minute completely not shocking at all. Sorry. I'm into astrology, but I do also have an only fans.
>> I didn't know those two could ever go together.
>> Do you have to hide your um astrology connection with your only fan subscribers?
>> This is really risky for me. If they find out that I am a Sagittarius, they they're not going to think I'm a [ __ ] They won't they won't buy that anymore.
I'm now getting something else which is that the room the sex room is maybe specifically for filming only fans stuff and that's why all the sex stuff is there is there together and maybe set >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And there's literally studio lighting that makes so much more sense.
>> The studio lighting makes more sense now.
>> This [ __ ] thing.
>> Yeah.
>> No, this is their job.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And that's why they also have >> putting their ass out the window >> completely.
>> Let's get our guesses in. Um I'll go first this time. I'll say 36. This gay man location Berlin. Who wants to go next? Can be either of you. What are you thinking?
>> Here's what's complicated that I don't know how you handle this on this show.
>> Is I mostly agree with you. I just want to guess a different age.
>> You No. If we're both right, we'll both get the point.
>> Cuz then I'm going to do 38. He's looking like he's getting closer to 40 to me. Um I'm going to go sis male. Yay.
gay. But I'm wondering if he's going to say that he's by and for like only fans purposes. But I'm going to go gay. And I'm going to say Berlin. Also, I'm going to change. Okay. Gay. And I'm going to say pan because that's so much more Berlin to me. I think I think Berlin it's like pass to be a sis gay man. I think he is a sis gay man in the bed, in the streets. He's pan poly. It's for anyone who wants to pass by that window.
I'm going to say 32. I'm gonna This is our last one, right? So, this is my last chance.
>> Playing for everything here.
>> I'm just gonna go I'm gonna go non-binary, queer.
>> That's your moonshot.
>> I'm gonna ultimately also say Berlin.
>> Non-binary, queer, and Berlin.
>> Let's see. 28 transman pronouns. He, they, queer, by, straight, gay, everything. Very fluid.
>> Wait, we were right with trans man from the beginning.
And they are everything and they're just everything.
>> I'm They are everything. Do we think non-binary is the closest to he they >> I think you should get a point. I usually don't approximate gendered sexuality on the show cuz that could get us in a lot of trouble, but I don't think they would mind. So George, I do think >> I mean they is a is the non-binary pronoun, >> but the he's in front of it. Diva.
>> No, for sure.
>> Yeah. This is so interesting. I He's so much younger than I thought. I was off by 10 whole years.
>> Nearing 40 with an Only Fans is [ __ ] crazy. But I feel like that is it would happen in Berlin if it was going to happen anywhere.
>> Maybe just goes to show what kind of Only Fans I'm following. Um >> I think 38-year-olds in Berlin are not up to date on Only Fans culture. I think 38-year-olds in Berlin are like very like old-fashioned leather. Yeah. And like vintage porn. Yeah. Okay. Let's get our points in. Um I get pan. Is that I mean that's literally like the description of pan.
>> Well, that's the one thing he didn't say though.
>> That's That is true. That is true.
>> Yeah. He even Ben, he even said straight. Like the one thing he didn't say is pan.
>> I mean that's literally what pan means.
No. Am I wrong? Japan actually does mean everything, which is a word he uses. So, in that sense, I mean, literally, that's what >> So, I think you can give it to yourself.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. I'm fighting for those points. I'm going to get I'm at 400 with Pan and then 500 with Berlin. And that's it.
Sam, you get Berlin. Oh my god. Wait, wait, wait. George, you might pull this off. Sam, that puts you at 600.
>> But don't I get gay? Cuz that's on there, too.
>> Yeah. What What do you think? He gets gay. I mean, we know you get gay. It's there.
>> It is there. Spiritually, I was way more correct about the kind of person this is. And and I think we can't deny that.
>> George, you get age. I'll give you the point for non-binary. Fail. Yell at George if you're mad about that. Don't bring it to me. Email George.
That puts you at 600. Queer. 700. In Berlin, that puts you at 800 George.
>> So, we're tied. You're tied.
>> Wow.
>> Wow. And I wouldn't want it any other way.
>> Same.
>> You both win. You both win and I just lose. Fail. Thank you for submitting.
Everyone go follow fail. Fail the other other. Oh, the other. Of course. Fail the other end. George and Sam, thank you for joining us. Everyone go listen to Stra Lab. Do you have any shows coming up? I don't know when this will be out.
>> By the time this will be out, probably not.
>> I have a comedy special. It's on Amazon and Apple. It's called A Sense of Urgy.
>> Iconic. Go listen to it.
>> Sure is.
Thanks again, guys. We'll be back next week. Everyone, like the video, comment on the video, and subscribe to the channel. If you played along, drop your score. I'm curious. I want audience members to start dropping their scores.
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