Sam Shamoun LOSES Debate Against Muslim Apologist Jake Brancatella?

Added: 2026-05-27

[00:00:00]what's up Jake what's up Sammy what's going on buddy why did you come on what's going on man I see I see you're calling out William Albrecht buddy why you wanna change the topic I'm talking about corny ACTS 21 no I wanna see how honest you are I wanna see how honest you are don't try to come and act tough Jake don't act don't act tough here brother about ACTS 21 yeah because Cora mentioned acts 21 26 do you know what I'm talking about Jake what does that have to do with me yeah that's right what has it to do so what are you doing here I'm here because you're challenging William Albright on his bad arguments but you don't challenge people like Avery who use fake quotes buddy why are you guys picking on Avery what's your problem Jake cause if he uses fake quotes he should be called out for it right and what's your proof I don't know he uses fake quotes I don't follow this he used a fake quote in a discussion with me about Justin Martyr what was the fake quote dude it was he read a chapter heading that was from New Advent and passed it off as Justin's words which they weren't and that's your entire case against him a fake quote no that's just that's just one example wait hold on you just said hold on I'm gonna go by your words cause I've caught you misquoting sources like you did with Cypius we'll get there but don't change the topic he's quoting to you what's on New Advent it's there and you're blaming him for not realizing it's not I don't think he was reading it from New Advent I think he was reading it you just said it's from New Advent no you're you're misunderstanding Sam he said Justin Martyr says X and then he reads what is actually a chapter heading and it's not the words why would it be his fault why would it be his fault in assuming that the chapter heading is written by Justin Martyr that's your best case what do you mean he's not assuming it's written by Justin Martyr the fact is that you just said the chapter heading so he's going to yeah but I don't think he was reading it from there I think somebody fed him the source and he didn't know where it was from Buddy can you make up your mind Jake Jake let me repeat what you said so I hear you you just said I'm gonna repeat be patient we can look at it it's only 40 seconds long buddy it's not looking at it it's your accusation of Avery let me repeat what you said he quoted I put the link here for you go ahead cut me off again Jake I said I put the link for you that's all I said do you want me to repeat what you said you said he quoted a fake quote from Justin Martyr yeah it wasn't Justin Martyr it was the chapter heading from New Advent see I heard you so then how you blaming him how you blaming him Jake for assuming the chapter heading would have been something that Justin wrote in his book and that Justin included it in his Greek that's not a the reason the reason is because when he's when he's informed let's say he made a mistake an honest mistake once he's informed that this is not actually Justin's words he should come out and say he made a mistake right and why do you assume that he has to do that because just as you said earlier when you were mentioning Armstrong as compared to William when somebody makes a mistake they're supposed to let their audience know they made a mistake no I give him a free pass he's young and he's learning so why should he do that he see that no no Jake Jake I know you're trying you're changing the subject don't tap dance cause I'm gonna now shish kebab you cause we're gonna get into a topic don't run the difference between the difference between Avery he's young and he's learning he's young and dumb and but at the same token I wanna call you out for your misuse of Justin Martyr and you Sibius are you ready for your shish kabob where's my fake quote where did I use the fake quote uh what did you say you Sibius said about the Holy Spirit let me bring up the article cause I wrote it for you I'm gonna shish kabob you what did you say you said to your friend Greggy and Staffy you remember Staffy your buddy you love Staffy come on I do I actually like him I do I think he's a little weird cause he talks about my body parts but that's what did you say you said about the Holy Spirit he says that the uh Holy Spirit was brought into existence and what's the context of that statement hold up let me bring up the quote I'll let me bring it up too I got it right here I'll bring it up I have the book in front of me in fact hold on let me just get but here's the problem Sam no this is gonna really Eusebius is not your friend Eusebius is not your friend I know that that's true okay and yet Eusebius you take his words out of context I know what he says that the spirit was brought into being John 1 3 so did Basil Saint Basil say the same argument but what's the context of that great what's the context I'm I'm get I'm pulling up the quote give me a second I'll bring up the book for you in fact I have I will but I'm gonna read it as well here you go here it is right here one second there you go right there's the book page 3 14 right uh again just give me a second I'm just pulling it up here let's see yep there's the book right here everyone see I got the book but I'm gonna show you so I don't think I'm misquoting so you believe U C B s was an orthodox Trinitarian right yep I don't judge him by later trinitarian definitions and debates I take them where they're at and I meet them where they're at cause he's dealing with Marcellus what was the context of his debate with Marcellus what was he trying to he was concerned that Mar he was concerned that Marcellus is falling into modalism you got it and so what does he have to do to try to refute it to affirm the distinction between father son and spirit right 7:34 yeah it's on page you said 3:14 yep yeah that's right so exactly so because I had it okay so what comes right immediately before that right before 3:14 that you quoted uh I'm going I have I'm looking in my documents it begins at page 3:04 the discussion on the Holy Spirit begins at page 3:04 yeah but what is the actual quote say that I quoted I know I'm gonna read the context buddy I'm not I don't take snippets let's let's read what that quote says yeah well we're gonna read from the context and all the way there take it easy let me get the article take it easy man you're not going anywhere and you know you know you know the author you know the translators of the text agree with me and not you right no actually they don't because I have they do them in here yeah buddy read for me right here I give you the Greek first Eusebius speaks of the spirit as being with the father before time now I'm giving you what this author says then we're gonna go to the context we're gonna go to context yeah but what does the author say about the passage I quoted I we're gonna get there he is talking about it buddy it's right here he's talking about John 1 3 and he's talking about here using John 1:03 he's talking about it and how people like you misread it don't understand I know what you're referring to and then we're going to go to the actual quotes and context see this author wait I'm misreading I'm misreading who you I'm also misreading the authors who translated the text just like you did with Justin Martyr assuming that because an author says X he's correctly understood what Justin is saying I'm showing you you can quote any authors I just quoting you another author that says your authors are misunderstanding him so the appeal to authority doesn't work Jake Sam you're the one who used that translation yeah I know I did and I'm gonna go there to show you that this author's assessment of the Greek is right okay so did did those two authors that you wrote let's read let's read did the two authors that you wrote let's read stop agreeing with me Pikachu did to you I know you're scared do they agree with me do they agree first Ustibius speaks of the spirit as being with the father before time using imagery from Daniel 7:10 the Holy Spirit to having stood eternally read the Greek for me hold on I'm not even looking at it's right here the Greek you won't find it in the translation I can't read Greek why are you asking me to read that well let me OK let me read it for you I don't know that take it easy man take it I never claimed to read Greek alright Paristos AI Paristos AI means what and I can't I can't see you now but you can't go ahead why I can't see you I don't know I can only see the actual screen I can't see you but go ahead no forget me I'm putting the thing so you can see it Paristos I the Holy Spirit too having stood eternally now they translated always in your translation they say always stood but he's telling you always means eternally I e the negation always no beginning paristo Sai so now explain to me what it means in the context of Eusebius to say that the spirit has eternally stood before god and then saying that the sun brought him into being which uh which passage is this by the way what chapter is that alright let me go to my article let me get the article buddy take it easy man you came at the wrong time I wanna bring it up in this book so yeah I know I'm trying to get it's from pages 3 0 4 to 3:14 let me open up my article that I quote so I can find it be patient my friend I love you man I love you my brother humanity I swear just let me get there cause you came at the last minute here this is the book you have against Marcellus and ecclesiastical theory alright correct 3 I'm on page 3 o 4 you said correct 3 0 4 2 3 14 but hold on hold on yeah we're gonna read context there you go now I'm gonna go find it here they translated it I'm gonna go to the book itself according to the same line of reasoning the Holy Spirit to having always do it and then I put in parentheses the Greek or having stood eternally Paristos I now let me get the book I'm gonna find the book for you hold on brother my brother humanity shoot man what's up let me get it man too many pages open take it but to confirm Sporrell and Vincent agree with my interpretation correct no I have to go reread what they said be careful dude I can't just say yes or no I have to reread it OK I'll give you the quote from the same book you have a right day OK yeah and then we'll read it in context to see what they said but let me get the book itself man shoot bro shoot let me get the book homie now I even lost the book damn it where the hell is the book it's right here okay alright LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA Sam uh just want we can get to this in a second but do you know that uh UCBS was actually condemned at an ecumenical council are you aware of that I'm sure like origin was I know he was so what do you say about that I say that just like origins condemn but you have others that say that origin though condemn he's misunderstood because you know that Jerome and Rufinus went at it over origin correct and who was correct your patron saint or Rufinus Athenasius says origin was a Trinitarian use them against Aries so just because he's my patron saint and he's always right come on dude you're smarter than that so are you saying he was wrong in the case of origins Trinitarianism yes okay but what about the ecumenical council well what do you want me to say you want me to say they're wrong well I mean you're you're supposed to give me the link no no no give me the link so I can read what they say what did they condemn him for that he used homo I'm asking you I'm not I'm only homo iusias is that what they're condemning him for no hold on a second they're they're calling him an Arian no homoiousias is a term which accuse them accuse them being semi Arian right uh you can use that term in English if you want but yeah means that they're like in essence not the same why did he use homo us homoiousias what was his name but I'm not saying that what all I'm asking you is why did they condemn him give me the reason I can read it for you if you want to pull up the link right now I can send it to you we're gonna bring it up hold on let me get the quote for you I can only do so much for you dude you want me to bring the coat right well I thought you were a multitasker no man I can't because I have 10 links open at the same time I know so I'm trying to keep up cause you came at the last minute instead of telling me hey I'll come on this day we can do it that's alright though I'm gonna follow you never invited me I've never told you dude hey let's debate these topics and let's set it up dude I will debate you on any day you always want you always want to debate me on logic and you know that I am not a logician bro no I just said I just said I will debate you on was UCB a Trinitarian oh beautiful okay according to the same here it is page 3:07 open it up and read it for me one second uh 3:07 starting at uh at and at another time and at another time and at another time I'm looking at that and at another time he revealed this about himself through a parable saying a sower went out to sow for from what place did he go forth if not from the inmost realms of the paternal divinity according to the same line of reasoning the Holy Spirit too having always stood by the throne of god you see that phrase you want me to stop no because that's what you want to see if I quote it correctly having always stood having always stood by the throne of God yeah what's the word always that was the Greek word that I gave you okay but what does that have to do with what these guys are saying here it means that he is uncreated that's the point so how do you swear how do you hold on let me OK let me give you the 30 so I don't think I'm making it up cause I don't want you to go ahead I'm not cutting you off go ahead no I'm just saying I don't want you to think I'm making it up so it's hard to tell when you're talking go ahead I'm sorry brother it's okay brother humanity this what I like you when you're nice dude shoot why can't we be nice I'm always nice guy Sam you just I don't know man you say you take some shots man you've taken some shots yeah well you've taken plenty of shots Sam boss if you go back to it I don't start stuff people egg me on and I begin now here here it is first you see he speaks of the spirit as being with the father before time using imagery from Daniel 7:10 the Holy Spirit to having stood eternally did you catch it the phrase I means before time mm hmm uh yeah they have an attack to Daniel 7 there what is yes because he's saying that when Eusebius mentions the spirit standing he's saying unlike the others he has eternally stood before the throne of god this is the context and the Greek confirms it Paristos ay before time so explain to me how the spirit can be brought into being if he is before time this is the Greek of Eusebius uh because many author go ahead no no go ahead explain it I'm just waiting for you yeah many authors had this idea that uh the son or the Holy Spirit or both were brought into existence before the creation of the world for the purpose of creation that's a very common belief not necessarily correct when they say brought into being no they didn't believe they were brought into being creatio ex nihilo they came out of god but the I know what you're talking about uh go ahead no I'm saying I know what you're talking about the view of the ante nicene fathers was the word the reason in God as well as the spirit were in him they came out of him not from nothing so it's not a creation this is why it can be said that the spirit has always timelessly stood before God so explain that to me I just gave you my explanation no that's not an explanation cause you argued to be brought into being uh no the word go ahead no go ahead good yeah so the passage that I quoted literally says he would be the maker and fashioner speaking of Christ the son of all created things both visible and invisible and surely also of the very existence of the counseling spirit for all things are made through him so how is that not how is that a misquote yes because there's a distinction right very easy no there's a distinction between something being brought into existence from nothing but something being brought forth out of something so when the son is said to have brought the spirit into being it's not creatio ex nihilo it's out of god so he's affirming the filioque this is why you went to 3:14 but if you read him in context and read him earlier he is quite clear to distinguish the spirit quote unquote coming to being from creatures that are created from nothing the spirit is of god that's why he has eternally stood before god so the coming into being is not an act of creating something non existent okay can you help me understand this passage then when he says in that same text on 3:14 I quoted you the beginning part and then at the end he repeats the same thing and says but the counseling spirit would be neither god nor son since he himself hold on a second it's just one sentence but since he himself has all not also received his generation from the father as the son has but is one of those things brought into existence through the sun because all things were made through him and without him not one thing was made so to me a straightforward reading he's explicitly denying what you said of the filioque he says that the uh Holy Spirit did not receive his generation from the father nope that means you can read it the way you want no I repeat what he says go ahead I don't want to cut you off go ahead I read I read the context if you read before and after he's refuting Marcellus who thinks father son and spirit are simply three names of a single hypostasis and in order to refute that is showing no the son is not the father he's begotten of the father and the spirit is not the son because he comes through the son so to show that the son and the spirit are distinct he attributes the generation I don't want to use the term generation wrong term procession let's say let's use the term procession yeah of the spirit through the son because even John 1 3 you know the Greek dia it is the preposition of agency instrumental cause so that doesn't help your case because if it comes through the sun it mean it comes from the father through the sun that makes my point John 1 3 it's a preposition D the a is the instrumental cause meaning that the sun is an agent through whom these things come into be that's the filioque way he's not writing in English he's writing in Greek and do you know the difference with the preposition d dia in Greek you said yes because he's writing in Greek John 1 3 right yeah he's he's yeah that's what he's basically what is the word used through the sun it's DIA that is instrumental cause that's not denying he comes out of the father through the sun the preposition itself is instrumental cause that the sun is the agent through whom these things come to be you're not making your case here let me show you okay Sam you you said that I misquoted or well I don't want to misquote you now did you say that I misunderstood the translator's position as well I have to remember what the translator said so I want to be careful because I haven't I read them and then I didn't reread just look at it very quickly and you give me your thoughts let's not go there hold on man I know you wanna go to the author's appeal to authority but I gave you another authority no no that's not I'm showing you that I'm OK let's stick with the Greek that's not the reason but let can I explain to you my reason that's not the reason the reason is because I'm trying to show that my interpretation is represented in scholarship so that you don't accuse me of just making this idea up I didn't just make it up on my own and I will be secretary to say I will then show it's a fallacious appeal to authority cause when you have other authorities that disagree then that means we go to the text and I'm showing you the text now let's go to the text here's what John 1 3 says that preposition d and ask your buddy Greggy Greggy who loves me Staffy the guy who loves me by the way why don't you bring him on we could all have be together buddy can we set it up and we'll bring it on if you're gonna be friendly I'll bring you on because I'm trying to do for I mean to respond to what I'm trying to respond to chorus if you give me a date I'll bring you on man we'll have this conversation if you give me like this I'll be cool okay so go ahead I'll let you finish about John go ahead and then I just wanna I just want you to give me a chance to show you what I'm saying these guys are saying you can disagree with them but I'm just showing you that I'm not make pulling this out of my hat I'll take your word for it I'm not gonna disagree with you I'll say alright yep but I it's like when you quoted the Eastern Orthodox who said Justin Martyr thought that Christ came into being or was a secondary god and not equal to god remember that that was John Bear yeah yes so I wrote a response to bear and I did a session responding to him because I don't care what scholars say look at their evidence so okay I'm going to grant you that they said that and they assume there's attention in Eusebius pneumatology okay granted but then I quote another scholar who says that's a misreading cause if you read him in context that's not what he's saying then I look at the evidence and the evidence is those scholars you quote are wrong mm hmm now John 1 3 let me make the point John 1 3 right here you see and ask Greggy Greggy staff you loves me he'll he even uses this to show that Christ is not the creator even though he's butchering the use of the preposition D d of 2 this is the prepositional phrase for instrumental cause meaning everything is coming from the father through the son since this is what is being quoted by Eusebius that the spirit comes through the sun it is affirming the filioque because it's through the sun not from the sun okay uh so yes as a I mean you consider yourself to be a Catholic so as a Catholic is appealing to an ecumenical council fallacious no if that's what they said then I'll say OK you see this sucks being you I mean what do you want me to do OK I mean so can can we you want to look at that now or you want me to send you the link where is it uh OK what they say why they condemn is it for the use of homo homoiousias because even Athanasius says that Eusebius had to admit that the teaching that Christ is timelessly begotten is ancient so from what I gather and I have to be cautious Eusebius ended up admitting his mistake in using that term and aligned himself with the way Nicean Trinitarianism was articulated because his student Eusebius who was taught by Eusebius of Caesarea comes and then fully articulates the Trinity in line with Nicean Trinitarianism his own student I did the homework here here it is let me show you his student but if the council says it I gotta shut up I'm not my own authority I'm not my own pope but nonetheless let me show you his student his direct student in defending the Trinity argues along nicene Trinitarian language but let me just get you cause like I said I gotta look for this stuff I'm gonna put the uh I'm putting the link here in the private chat and then you can just click on when you're ready let me just find it though give me a second man too many articles brother I can't keep up anyway man listen uh my apologies you seem like to be a sweet guy so let's keep it respectful between you and me I don't wanna be I'm I'm being respectful I know that's what I'm saying my apologies let's keep it this way so we can have fruitful conversations capisce let me find it for you though okay where are you I'm just gotta find brother give me man that too many articles man you should have gave me a heads up say hey man I'll be on this time but give me a second let me see if I can find it or I'm just gonna have to go to my uh Sam I can't I can't give you a free copy of my book sorry buddy why not man you're gonna have to purchase it boss I'm not rich dude you know I'm in ministry bro you're you're rich really oh yeah you're big time rich I know how much do I make dude well I don't want to put it out there that's for you to say um I would like to know how rich I am tell me what do you mean rich hey you're more you're more rich than I am that's for sure I don't know about that bro they say that you're getting I live on a rooftop buddy huh I live on a rooftop in Marrakech all right uh well I don't know man they tell me I don't know like you see rumors about me rumors about you now this is the article by Eusebius of a Misa he is the direct student of Eusebius of Caesarea and he's writing after Eusebius and he affirms the Nicene Trinitarian formulation articulation of the Trinity and he is the very student of Eusebius of Caesarea so if I have one of his students who clearly affirms son and spirit are not creatures even though there's relational subordination because the father is the source and the spirit comes through the son then that only bolsters the claim of that author that Eusebius is not teaching that the spirit is a creature especially when he says he's always timelessly standing before the throne of god but nonetheless let me get your link let's see what they say yeah it's a well there's a couple places but I sent you one link alright right here let's go here so if you click on that link alright then I'm gonna have to say alright this is gone if you click on that link and then you type in uh control F you usebius all right uh they who are garulous against holy images have brought usebius forward in their favor in the letter which you wrote to Constantia now let's see what were the sentiments of you so so this is about images so you want me to skip this no no no no no it's about it's about images because these are the acts of the 7th Ecumenical Council but they related to his what they considered to be subordinationist and Arian position but can you put it on the screen so we can all yeah it is on the screen dude oh no I'm sorry I thought it was not okay man bro forgive me man bro forgive me homes shoot I thought I was there man no man man you're you're you are one tough cookie man can't be satisfied huh okay okay hold on let's go here so this is it Steven the monk reads letter of usebius Pamphilus to Euphratian yeah just to be clear before you continue Eusebius uh Pamphilus yes that's another way of referring to Eusebius of Caesarea he's the same person I just want to be clear enough yeah for everyone else I confess now this is Eusebius writing this is uh that's that's what Steven the monk is quoting here I confess all things to my Lord and after other comments he continues we say that the son was not co existent with the father the father existed before the son for if they are both co existent how can the father be the father and son the son how can the one be the first the other the second the one begotten the other unbegotten for if the two persons were to be considered equally in like manner co existent and equal in honor then as I said before both must be unbegotten or both begotten but neither of these is true that both were un begotten or that both were begotten it follows that the first be accounted superior in dignity and rank to the second as having been the cause of existence to the second and of existence in such a manner so they're condemning him for this yeah and then it continues watch he says can we admit this is a response by no means my Lord this man is more hateful than all right than himself okay okay and then it continues around and then it continues far be it from any Christian man to speak this and it continues on and on but in a number of places then if you scroll down further it says the Holy Council says a anathema to such books and to all who make use of them even origin right alright there you go yeah so if they condemn them then he's condemned there's not much I can say even though if you ask me those statements from his book what he meant he wasn't trying to say the sun is a creature however if the council condemns him I cannot stand against the council sit so I I can't but then Sam wouldn't you have to admit that maybe your interpretation is incorrect and that the people at the council got it right I mean that's well I mean look you've got you put me in a hard place I'm not a Protestant who just sits in condemnation of ecumenical councils so I have to just say alright if they condemn them they condemn that's it I can't go beyond that if I was a Protestant I would say they're wrong right but I'm not a Protestant right I know but that's why I'm bringing it to you because I would bring it I have to concede okay I would bring it to for example you are Eastern Orthodox obviously it wouldn't work on a Protestant we're into Orthodox either right yeah cause they're before this this is a well I have to concede listen I gotta concede I can't I'm not I'm not here to win a debate I'm here to try to be honest so if I hold to the chemical councils I'm stuck you got me Jake no I look dude I don't care I mean we can it's it's about the truth of the matter there's no debate on usibius forget about it I got to yeah if you're willing to admit you're wrong that's totally fine I do want to say that uh this isn't the only place in the council he's mentioned where he's harshly criticized there's also other places I list pretty much all of them in my book and I highlight them so I'll buy an e copy of your book then all right get Jake I have to concede friend I can't I can't because I'm not a Protestant so I can't do it so if they said he's wrong he's wrong so you got it my man now when you see me you're gonna hug me right as a brother you made it you're not gonna be angry with me I don't know if I'm ever gonna see you but you're coming to America for debates I may come and see you I will be in Dallas Texas in July for uh the next event okay I may see you pray for me out listen we'll be praying for your health now all joking aside how's your health tell people so they can pray for you my health is uh fairly steady at the moment uh let people know what you have they may not know your condition yeah I have Ms which is a progressive disease so um right now the best I mean they they don't have any cure for it not there's none known to man anyway but um uh the best medication that they use is just to try to slow the progression of the disease so that's what I'm on I'm on the best available medication and um over the last year or so it's stabilized so as of now the doctors tell me it's it's not progressively getting worse which is the goal anyway all right by the Grace of God and and also people don't know you have a godly Catholic mother right my mother is Catholic yep and uh she haha I spoke to her recently the other day you know of course she's my mother so I still love and respect her but um she's actually become more religious and more um you know imbued in her Catholic faith over the past few years because I had a brother who um passed away very tragically and that she she became more religious through that and that was about 7 years ago so yeah she goes to church every week at least once a week and um you know she tells me she's praying for me but I told her to stop praying to Mary but she alright well yeah we got it listen people may not know as a celiby you don't accept intersectionally but there are you had a debate with Daniel about it there are some Muslims who do have a concept of intercession of saints like us that's correct and I view them as deeply problematic but that's a whole another story yeah but yeah my mother's Catholic my whole family's Catholic uh I grew up Catholic um I never to be fair I never was confirmed as a Catholic I don't know if people know about the sacraments in detail all the viewers but I made all of the sacraments up until confirmation I was a bad boy so they said that I wasn't ready and I was happy'cause then I was thinking well I don't have to go back to Sunday school again but so I don't like to pass it off as if I was this um former Christian who was an expert in the faith most of my my knowledge has come through my own personal studies after converting so I don't come come you know I don't try to use that as a you know ex Catholic card or anything like that but you got it man yeah I I did tag you Sam before I came on I just want to let you know cause we we go back in Twitter sometimes back and forth on Twitter no more I won't do that no more tag you I know but that's why I'm letting you know here I did tag you in a post right before I came online so keep that in mind that it was before I came on here and the context I just want to be clear the context was because I was watching you I was saying okay good he's actually criticizing some of William's bad arguments I do that with Muslims I mean if you see myself I criticize I criticize Osman Ibn Farouk on this Rebecca 13 argument I think it's a really bad argument um and he got you know his panties in a bunch because of that but I do that with Muslims so I respect when other Christians do that but at the same time I think I it's harder when it's people you really love and care about right let's be honest and so and that's why I'm pushing you slightly to say hey look at the clip Jake I can't he's young give him time man yeah but Sam what I'm telling you is just as you OK and you're we have not been friends you just admitted live that OK Jake's got a point here on this one specific thing no problem Avery could simply say hey I read it quickly or I misquoted and whatever and then that would be the end of it but me if a person can't do that once it's clear then I can't trust them I lose trust how can I trust in that person at least you admitted OK Jake you got a point buddy the big deal I can't go against you got me there man you destroyed me dude shoot that's it but what I'm saying Sam is if you did that to me on the reverse you showed me something clear and I denied it and I lied about it then you would say well I can't trust you Jake you're just not you're dishonest so that's why I have to look into it I'll look into it and see what happens but my my difference with him I'm not trying to justify it he's still young he's green because I'm 54 Jake when I was 20 and 30 you know I I'm if I could talk to my younger self I would have told myself do things differently the reason why I hold William to higher standard is because he's been in it for over 20 years in Catholic apologetics so so when someone's been doing it for years like David Wood I hold them to a higher standard you see David hasn't even attempted to study he's in his own category but I just wanna show people this really quick this is Justin Martyr's text and you can see on the bottom Chapter 1:28 there's no for people who look into this what Avery quoted was a passage in chapter 1:28 but he started off and he said Justin says again and he read the chapter heading at the top of 1:28 as you can see in this text there is no chapter heading because you know that's just new advents essentially their explanation of the text yeah there's no there Justin didn't have chapter headings what Avery did and I'm I'm not calling him a liar but I'm saying okay maybe he made a mistake I think somebody gave him the quote and he just read it and he didn't know so the chapter heading he read and then he continued he jumped from the chapter heading to the middle of chapter 1:00 28 he didn't even start out at the top and he just continued it as if it was one continuous quote which it was not half of it was from Justin the other was New Advent's interpretation that was not alright Justin's words so that's what I'll look into it dick I'll look into it man yeah anyway so keep that in mind I made that post before I came on but anyway I'm not gonna be listen I I hate Twitter it's toxic I try to avoid it but then I go and I see people attacking me like a guy to clips I mean supposed to using the N word when that's a lie from the pit of hell never did that oh yeah I actually saw that you were you were referencing I think who was it Jay dire or tazarik was using yeah the guy who yeah tazarik was using the N word against J J Dyer and tazarik also was calling him you've came to N University and then someone in the comment section was using the N word I was reading those comments yes so but Twitter is toxic man Twitter is toxic can I be honest with you Sam I was actually thinking about using that clip against you and then I looked at it and I said no that's actually not fair because he's actually quoting what the other guy said exactly yeah man but this was months ago wasn't it wasn't that one of them when I was 200 pounds I got Fat Jake but I'm trying to lose weight again we'll see but anyway man listen I love you as my brother in humanity forgive me for being harsh I'm gonna try to tone it down see this is the Jake I like we can talk but there's no point in you Sibius the council says it I gotta shut up thank you Jake okay I'll I'll I'll um thank you man you just you just got me to have to say alright ecumenical council I gotta shut up I will uh you know what I'll do I'll make a post on my Twitter and I'll tag you in it just to give you the links cause there's another link and I'll just put the quotes and then people can read it and then you can clip to say hey Sam has to bow down to the Ecclesiastical council well I respect that because I think I mean I I posted the other day I think this uh sola scriptura stuff is is nonsense obviously I'm not a Christian but I think the Protestant position is the weakest out of all of them I mean they just how they can't explain how they get the cannon without the church I mean that's just the reality of the matter and they don't have any way I haven't I was actually at the debate between Trent Horn and um what's his name Anthony Rogers Anthony Rogers yeah and I had a good conversation with both of them afterwards we actually went out to eat and we were all sitting together but I told Trent the the Protestants just they can't win this debate it's like uh you know I I just don't see it they they have no good response to to this we saw the picture you guys were at in and out Burger see you had a picture of all you guys in and out Burger yes with Matt look at everyone else yeah yeah alright my brother in humanity I'm gonna finish my response to Cora and we'll see what happens well there's no debate you win you Sibius says condemn okay alright I'll I'll just I just want to let you know I'm gonna make a post where I just you can clip this too say Sam where I put the link so you can and also when you put the clips in Sam concedes and submits to the Economical Council he admits he loses I can't you got me alright thank you take care Sam appreciate you man we'll be praying for God's peace love you my brother in humanity forgive me for being harsh all right you take care take care buddy there you go all right I can't go against any chemical council guys what do you want me to do do you want me to go against the Chemical Council if they know they see he had it here what do you want me to do guys