Is The Freedom to Worship Under Attack? Questions and Answers with the Pearls

[00:00:00]Well, good morning and welcome back to the No Greater Joy podcast. I'm Nathan Pearl and with me is my mom, Debbie, and my dad, Mike. We are missing my sister, Shalom. She's traveling back from Ohio and >> I'm on God's side today.

[00:00:16]>> I'm on God's side.

[00:00:17]>> Yeah.

[00:00:17]>> I'm on God's side every day.

[00:00:19]Uh and um the uh my my daughter is going to be traveling back from overseas this coming week. I'm a little bit excited.

[00:00:28]>> I'm real excited.

[00:00:30]>> I told my wife this week uh I said I I don't think I've been this excited for going to the airport since you were coming down to see me before [laughter] we got married. I cannot wait for my daughter to get home. I don't know why it's driving me so crazy.

[00:00:43]>> Cuz she's in a dangerous place?

[00:00:45]>> Yeah, but I mean I sent I I sent Laura to uh my oldest to uh uh Mongolia when she was 15.

[00:00:54]And where'd she go? Uh somewhere else when she was 14.

[00:00:58]And that bothered me, but uh this one is this one is I just can't wait till she gets back.

[00:01:05]Anyway, we're going to get into your questions this morning. You've been sending them in. We appreciate that.

[00:01:10]We're going to start with question number one.

[00:01:13]I guess I'll read these this morning.

[00:01:14]>> Uh you read them.

[00:01:15]>> I'm running out of siblings to do this for. Okay. Recently, a church in Michigan was sent a cease and desist letter claiming it was operating an illegal event venue in a residential zone and issued 4,500 in fines for three weddings held on the property, two of which were for family and friends. A final determination limiting the church to Sunday morning services with no more than 60 people allowed only four to six community events per year and required all events to conclude by 9:00 p.m. How should Christians respond to local and federal governments that attempt to put restrictions on holding services?

[00:01:58]>> You know, when I read this, my first response was that's what you get for living in a third world country, Michigan.

[00:02:06]Uh but, I looked at it again closer and I noticed that it said uh they are fined $4,500 uh for two events or three events which were family and friends.

[00:02:23]So, I'm wondering if this is a home church or a formal structured church.

[00:02:31]If it's a home church and then they may be violating the code in a residential area.

[00:02:40]There are reasons they have codes in residential areas. You don't want businesses being operated where your children are playing.

[00:02:48]You don't want traffic. You don't want people late at night. They restricted them to 9:00 p.m.

[00:02:55]People go to sleep. And so, I'm I'm thinking this is probably not a structured church. This is a home church and uh they're violating the code. In which case, they're not attacking the church as a church.

[00:03:13]Uh it would be the same if it was any other uh convention. Now, if that's not the case, if it is a real structured church, then there should be it should have been under code that allowed that.

[00:03:29]And if not, then well, how should a Christian respond? You should comply with the laws. God created the government for a purpose, and the government is created to purpose supposedly for the good of the people as a whole.

[00:03:46]And if you're The Bible said Jesus would not cry aloud nor his voice be heard in the streets. A bruised reed will he not break and a smoking flax will he not quench, which means that Jesus was not obtrusive, not a get in your face.

[00:04:03]Uh he went without the city and invited people to him or else when he spoke in the city, it was in a forum that was designed for speaking in the temple where you expected people to come and to prophesy or or speak or challenge. And so if if the church the church doesn't have the right to impose itself against the laws of the land.

[00:04:29]Now if the laws are unjust, then what you have to do is take the natural course of appealing to the government or of attempting to change the laws.

[00:04:40]If you want to violate them and say you're going to do it anyhow cuz God said do it, then you've got to be willing to accept the consequences, which could be jail time or fines or whatever.

[00:04:52]Now I'm of course I'm having to read between the lines to try to understand.

[00:04:57]So that's my take on it.

[00:05:00]>> We ran into this a little bit. I was in Hawaii and the response to COVID was was criminal and one of the things they said is churches can't get together.

[00:05:10]And one of the churches on the north shore, they came after and they were going to fine them and uh I think they were at claiming they were going to put the pastor in prison and uh which was ironic cuz they let all the drug dealers out of prison because of COVID.

[00:05:28]Uh but uh what he did was he um posted on Facebook.

[00:05:34]>> That's what I would do.

[00:05:35]>> are, what they were doing, what their church is. Franklin Graham picked it up.

[00:05:40]Franklin Graham posted on Facebook. They couldn't back out of the door fast enough. They were apologizing and that was done with because they were violating the First Amendment.

[00:05:50]What they didn't want to do is what happened in Virginia when a church met during COVID in 2020 and they said they were they were violating the ordinances and so the church said, "Let's go to the court. We really would love to go to court." So, they took them to court. It went up um I think it went to the Virginia Supreme Court and the state lost. And because of that, all of the because of that court in Virginia uh before it got to us in Kauai, that lawsuit had gone through and uh we the the the county that we were a part of had a thing that said, "You're not allowed to do this. You're not allowed to do that." And it went through a lot of things and then at the bottom uh buried in the text was unless you're church.

[00:06:39]And they'd done it because of the court in Virginia. And because of that I printed out the 15-page document of guidance from the county, yellowed that in, and made 10 copies and gave it to all the elders in the church. If the cops show up, which was a legitimate concern, have this document that shows we are in compliance with the county because we're functioning as a church.

[00:07:02]Um but they never they never showed up.

[00:07:04]So, two two things. I agree with Dad.

[00:07:08]Um don't be obnoxious.

[00:07:11]Don't be the kind of body that says "I realize that you're trying to sleep, but we want to practice our hymn singing out of key at midnight on Friday evening or you know, Thursday evening or whatever." Uh don't don't be a obnoxious. Be light and salt. And part of that means working with the community, being involved with the community.

[00:07:33]Um if you are those people, if you get the the everyone in your neighborhood goes, "Those people."

[00:07:41]Then you're not going to win any of them. Then what's the point of your church?

[00:07:45]Um on the other hand, if if the state is violating the First Amendment, um and the way this is written it looks like they are, contact uh the some of the Christian attorneys that that do this. They love this sort of thing. The Christian attorneys, if the state is violating the law, the Constitution, there are uh Christian attorney organizations that want to take that lawsuit. There's a a law that says you're not allowed to talk politics from the pulpit. There's two dozen ma- big churches around the country that on the date that that ordinance was was instituted back in the '70s, every year they preach politics from the pulpit and send a recording to the Senate and to the Department of Justice.

[00:08:37]And in their letter every year they say, "We preach politics. We would like to go to court with you if you'd like to sue us."

[00:08:43]And it's always backed down because they'll lose. The Department of Justice knows they'll lose. It was a illegitimate ruling. So, uh if the if the law is being violated by the by the state of Michigan, there's people that want to go to court with you and help you and for them to be pushed back into their proper role of government. Um Peter dealt with this in Acts. They said, "Hey, you can't speak these words." The difference there was them not saying, "Because of the local ordinance you're making noise, you can only do it such and such." They said to Peter, "Hey, you can't talk about Jesus." And Peter said, "Well, we'd rather serve God than man. We'd rather obey God than man. So, we'll we'll do it anyway." Uh there's with this paragraph, I think there's a lot that we don't know.

[00:09:32]Uh so, look at the law behind it.

[00:09:36]>> This is what I would say do. I would say be a Virginia.

[00:09:40]I would say this might be a move of God that's trying to awaken the people in Michigan and to go ahead and make it known and say we're a small church. We can't even have weddings. Where where are the people that would stand with us and start a movement that is kind, is generous, but it brings in a lot of people that are like-minded, that are nervous about what's happening and be a Virginia, make a change the law. If there's enough of you that and you're legitimate when what you say and and this is a violation of your rights, then maybe this is something that God has started for you. Pick up the ball and and go with it.

[00:10:33]>> Yeah, the First Amendment gives us the right to assemble.

[00:10:36]>> Yeah.

[00:10:36]>> And >> I'm still convinced this is a home church.

[00:10:39]>> I think so, too.

[00:10:40]>> all for home churches, but look like this one's gotten too big.

[00:10:43]>> Yeah.

[00:10:44]>> Yeah, get a building.

[00:10:45]>> Yeah, time to get a building or divide up.

[00:10:49]>> All right.

[00:10:51]Now, question number two.

[00:10:53]What does it mean to be baptized with the Holy Spirit?

[00:10:55]>> That's not on my list.

[00:10:59]>> Number two.

[00:11:00]>> It's different font.

[00:11:03]What does it mean to be baptized with the Holy Spirit? I thought that believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth by faith we're saved.

[00:11:11]How do you know if you've been baptized with the Holy Spirit?

[00:11:16]You want to dig into that?

[00:11:17]>> I didn't have that question on my list.

[00:11:20]>> Well, I didn't I just got a list.

[00:11:22]There's a difference between with and in.

[00:11:25]In the book of Acts, there are and I'm just about to teach this. So, if you have more questions, uh I'm I'm at lesson two in the book of Acts. They'll be hitting uh YouTube probably in what, three or four weeks, Adam?

[00:11:40]>> Yeah.

[00:11:41]>> Something like that. Um I'm going through this in church, but the in the book of Acts, there's there's three different people groups that we see baptized with the Holy Spirit and the the gifts exercised in that moment in a in a way that that looks like the day of Pentecost and each of these times God is doing a a new work in a new people group and he's showing himself to be God and the gospel to be efficacious, to be to be changing this group of people. So, he starts with the Jews and you see it among the disciples and it's not just the apostles, the 12 apostles, it's the 120 that were there.

[00:12:29]And then you see it again when Philip goes to the Samaritans and they also have this this special movement of the Spirit with with signs and wonders. And then you see it again with some Gentiles.

[00:12:43]In each case, the Jews the church is shocked that God is working equally among everyone. Paul later calls it the mystery. It was a mystery um that God would work through the Jews and the Gentiles and that everyone would be saved in Christ.

[00:13:01]And it's a it's a specific work of the Spirit. Now, this isn't to say that doesn't happen today, that that that the Spirit would do a specific and intentional work.

[00:13:12]But what he what doesn't happen is us drum up things. I think this is probably coming from a Pentecostal perspective and what the teaching there would be is that you have to have a secondary baptism with the Holy Spirit.

[00:13:26]uh that produces a particular thing that is directed by the clergy or by somebody so that they're casting into you the ability to speak not in tongues, but in gibberish. Uh the word The word tongues is languages, so it's not speaking a language, it's speaking it's speaking gibberish. And uh it is it is wrong-hearted. Um the Romans tells us that as many as are the sons of God are led by the spirit of God. Uh Paul tells us that at the moment of salvation that you are uh indwelt by the spirit of God. And it's not a secondary thing. This was a something that was that was specific to the work of God that he was doing there in the book of Acts at that time.

[00:14:19]>> I'm satisfied with that.

[00:14:20]>> Well, I got to say when we uh left church Sunday, you taught the book of Acts and uh we were talking about it in the vehicle and the boys were in the back right behind us. So, I turned around and I said, "Why do you think the book of Acts is called Acts?" So, there was a great conversation about all the different possibilities and finally they talked it through and they but "Because it's about the acts of what they're doing."

[00:14:52]>> [laughter] >> And I said, "It's kind of like the stuff what they were doing, but stuff wouldn't be a good answer, so it's Acts."

[00:14:58]So, >> Did you Did you notice that I spelled Acts wrong when I said Acts of the Apostles?

[00:15:03]>> We had that conversation, too.

[00:15:05]I had about a bunch of them at lunch after church. And so, the grandkids were sitting around and we had this great conversation about Acts and one of them absolutely said, "I read it and it didn't have two A's." And I said, "Well, the video's coming out, and and we will see if it has two A's. All the rest of them said it had two A's. A capital A and a little A.

[00:15:31]>> it out, and I didn't have a capital A.

[00:15:33]So, I went back and capitalized it, and somehow didn't delete the little A. And I edited that slide. I changed colors. I adjusted the font. I worked and worked, and I never saw it again. And as soon as we're in the truck, my wife's like, "You spelled ax wrong."

[00:15:47]I'm like, "No, I didn't."

[00:15:48]>> My first thought was, "He needs to get Zephyr to look at his slides before they go public."

[00:15:54]>> I don't know how I missed it. Okay.

[00:15:55]>> I'm going to do I'm going to go ahead and read the one you don't have that I got.

[00:15:59]>> Okay.

[00:16:00]>> All right. This question has a long background.

[00:16:05]I'll spare you most of the details.

[00:16:08]My son got married in December.

[00:16:11]They are not saved. They're living on our property for now. The problem is my daughter-in-law is very lazy and a slob.

[00:16:21]My son works. She stays home.

[00:16:25]Their living place is always beyond terrible.

[00:16:29]She comes from a very disturbing background. I was raised and was raised like that.

[00:16:37]I think you're ashamed of your your daughter-in-law. How do I mentor her without pushing her away? She's a very sweet girl. I don't have a problem talking to her. But I think it goes in one ear and out the other. I know ultimately they both need Jesus, but in the meantime, what do I do?

[00:16:58]I could say so much more, but I'll leave it there.

[00:17:02]Thank you. Love your ministry.

[00:17:06]This question I wanted us to address because it's so common in families. It's so prevalent uh and in different ways.

[00:17:20]What I would instruct you in doing number one, you said, uh, "My problem, the problem is it's only a problem to you. In other words, it's not a problem to her or to her husband.

[00:17:35]And so, you've made it a problem. Why?

[00:17:38]Because you say she comes very disturbing background, raised like that.

[00:17:44]Uh, she is what she is right now, and she's married to your son, and it's really not any of your business.

[00:17:56]Now, you you're saying to yourself, "Oh, because I want to improve her, I want to make her a better person."

[00:18:03]It's just not our role in life to to call someone to be a better person.

[00:18:09]And then you say, uh, "I know ultimately they both need Jesus, but in the meantime, no, needing Jesus, that's what it's all about. And in the meantime, you want to remake her to act like a Christian, the kind of Christian you think she should be.

[00:18:28]And that you've taken that responsibility. What do I do?

[00:18:33]I could say much more.

[00:18:35]You've said too much already.

[00:18:38]You don't need to say more, you don't need to do more.

[00:18:41]Now, I know I've been hard on you, but you need to repent.

[00:18:49]And many of us do.

[00:18:51]Uh, I don't know, but what this is not the condition of all of us at sometime during life, more than one time.

[00:19:02]We have a tendency to want to make people perform in ways that keep us comfortable, keep us from being embarrassed or being threatened, or being tempted, or any number of things that would make us feel better.

[00:19:20]And so, we take it upon ourselves responsibility of teaching this uh lifestyle, and encouraging a lifestyle, and we want to change that person to be more Christ-like.

[00:19:36]And that's not our role. So, you say, "What should you do?" Here's what you should do. You should ignore her dirty house, except if there is some discussion that she raises.

[00:19:49]But, if every time you get a chance, you sort of insert something, you're going to cut her off. If you just insinuate the house is dirty, if you walk in and start picking stuff up, you're going to be insulting her.

[00:20:02]What you have to do is bring her into your home from time to time, let her see the structure in the order, and love her.

[00:20:12]Minister Christ to her. Speak of the Lord Jesus.

[00:20:17]You mean You need to make her feel like she's a worthy person, not somebody that needs to change so you'll like her.

[00:20:24]As long as she feels like you're wanting her to change so she can meet with your approval, she's going to build up a wall.

[00:20:32]And so, what you can do is just be kind, generous, uh brag on her. Find some good trait that she does. And say, "You know, you're really a good wife to my son. You love him, and you appreciate him, and I'm so thankful that he got somebody of your caliber and quality."

[00:20:55]You're more likely to get a clean house out of her talking to her like that than you are any kind of encouragement you give to change your lifestyle.

[00:21:07]That's what I have to say about that.

[00:21:10]>> Charity beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, is not easily provoked.

[00:21:17]>> I said charity.

[00:21:18]>> Yeah, what do you think about that?

[00:21:20]>> What what I think about that? I think that I would have her over for cup of tea and some cookies and uh you know, make a big deal over having a something cute and la- laugh at myself for liking to act like a little girls having fancy tea and and till she gets to where she likes what I like uh or either I learn what she likes uh because a lot of it is just a lack of knowledge, the opportunity to see something different than what she was raised with. So, if she comes into a house and it is very uh positive and fun and non-confront- conf- confrontational. Confrontational.

[00:22:11]Uh then she will see that there's more in life than just what she uh have and she it'll make her hunger for more.

[00:22:23]>> What I wrote down was contempt.

[00:22:26]If you have contempt for somebody, you'll not reach them.

[00:22:29]>> Yeah.

[00:22:29]>> If they feel like you have contempt for them, then they'll not reach them.

[00:22:33]1 Corinthians says that the unbelieving husband could be reached by the wife without words. They He might without the word be won.

[00:22:42]Uh and that's done by serving him and by acting a way that isn't contemptible.

[00:22:50]Um the difficulty I think is that it's on your property and there's >> Not in her house, though.

[00:22:55]>> It's not in her house, but there's a there is that creates some some friction. If I could be so bold as to recall some stories of Daddy Bill getting a little upset >> [laughter] >> one time or two.

[00:23:11]>> Probably the reason he's so >> But you were paying rent. Uh >> Sometimes.

[00:23:16]>> Sometimes. [laughter] He only charged us $30 a month and sometimes >> All I'm saying is I want to predicate this by saying I weeded yesterday, okay, around the house.

[00:23:28]>> Yeah, he lives on my property now.

[00:23:30]>> [laughter] >> In my old house.

[00:23:32]>> And I I weeded around it. The uh different stages in life you're going to have different things. They've been married six or seven months. Uh it's her first household, I would assume. They're learning. Um it is it's difficult being on your property because your landlord and and mother-in-law.

[00:23:51]Um there's a lot of jokes about both of those. So, you got to be very careful.

[00:23:56]Don't hold her in contempt. Like Dad said, practically hold hold up the things that you value, that you say this is what's good. This is the three things I see that are valuable in you.

[00:24:07]I recently spoke with somebody that had that had struggles at with family and those struggles were based in in contempt for the things the family had done over the years. And by getting distance from that and looking back we were speaking, he said, "Okay, well, I see the good things. I see the blessings in my family that I did not see when I was too close." Uh I have a I have a whatever, not quite 2-year-old granddaughter and my my joy is that she comes over. She was over at the house yesterday and even just for a few minutes to getting to see her and talk to her. My nephews were running around their house uh yesterday on the buggies and messing with stuff, weeding, building, doing things. And uh and to have that that closeness of family is of great value. Try to see the value in in that, and then, uh um if if it's me, I'm still going to encourage my son to get his own place, uh as quickly as I think it's good for young men to get their own place.

[00:25:15]>> Yeah.

[00:25:16]>> Well, but where they are right now affords this woman the opportunity to bear an influence that's positive.

[00:25:22]>> Yeah. Make sure that that relationship is founded in in care for her and in charity, um bearing all things.

[00:25:32]>> Share with her, uh what you've been reading in scripture.

[00:25:36]Not something that tries to get her to change your behavior, but something that just where you're blessed, share your failures. Share your weaknesses.

[00:25:44]>> Yeah.

[00:25:45]>> Uh confess your faults.

[00:25:47]Uh become human instead of, uh a preacher.

[00:25:53]>> The Pharisees had this problem with Christ, that he hung out with people that were not yet what they should be.

[00:26:00]And Ephesians 5 tells us that Christ sees the church as something that is without spot or blemish, because that's what he's producing. So.

[00:26:09]>> All right.

[00:26:10]Next.

[00:26:11]>> I got to find it. We're on three.

[00:26:13]I have a daughter who is 6 years old, and I've been observing attention-seeking behaviors in her more recently, clingy clinginess towards her friends.

[00:26:23]I can tell it is causing some of her friends to want to distance themselves away from her. With the attention-seeking behaviors, it's mostly she thinks everything is about her.

[00:26:32]I believe this is mainly because my family had spoiled her while she was growing up, and I didn't realize how detrimental that could be to her. With the clinginess, she kind of has been acting like a follower and her uh with her friends, and sometimes mindlessly follows what they're doing.

[00:26:50]I do have to train up a child book, and I'm almost finished and I didn't see a lot on this topic. How do you think we can correct this behavior?

[00:26:59]>> All right. I have gave some thought to this question.

[00:27:04]Um basically what you've said here is that your daughter was broken by your family.

[00:27:14]Uh not not by anything you did.

[00:27:19]And uh family has spoiled her.

[00:27:24]Uh and she's clingy and so forth.

[00:27:29]Uh how do you think we can correct this behavior?

[00:27:34]So what you're looking for is performance child training. In other words, you just want to change the way she's acting.

[00:27:45]You know what what's really wrong here is that this little girl is inferior, has an inferior feeling. She has a she's clingy because she has needs. She's clingy because she's not been encouraged, loved, praised.

[00:28:05]Uh she's not not felt significant.

[00:28:09]And I'm wondering why your family had such an influence. Why was it not your influence?

[00:28:17]What kind of context did you live in where someone else was bearing more influence than you?

[00:28:23]And when you were bearing influence, what was the nature of it? What was the quality of it?

[00:28:28]Uh I have grandkids over all the time.

[00:28:33]And my goal is always to encourage them to motivate them, to make them feel better about themselves, to make them feel valued.

[00:28:43]And so just like they said yesterday, there was three young fellows over there. and then they had a little girlfriend with them.

[00:28:50]And I had them doing jobs like one of them was sanding a piece of lawn furniture and painting it.

[00:29:00]He did all by himself, worked all day long. Couldn't get him to go to the creek to swim or anything. He just wanted to finish that job. Another one was putting a roof on a porch. About a what? 14, 15 year old, something like that?

[00:29:12]>> He turned 14 day before yesterday.

[00:29:14]>> Turned 14 day before yesterday. So by himself he was putting a a roof on a porch. Tore the old material off and put the new material on.

[00:29:21]>> And I was worrying.

[00:29:23]>> [laughter] >> You were checking on me like every 20 minutes.

[00:29:26]>> And then we had the little kids there in the house, a little girl and little guy and I set them up painting pictures with some tempera paint I had. And they showed me their pictures. Well, I took their pictures and I said, "That's great. That's uh that's mountains right there.

[00:29:51]And this is a flower. No, it's a tree.

[00:29:54]This is a bridge. Oh, that's the tree branch. Okay, yeah, I I I can see that now, you know.

[00:29:59]You're a budding artist. It's not going to not going to be any time at all where you'll be painting as good as your sister does.

[00:30:06]And so my my role in life is to cause them to feel valued, important, loved.

[00:30:16]And it's not to it's not to make them act in a certain way that makes me comfortable and proud of them.

[00:30:26]It's to take them right where they are and build them up.

[00:30:30]And that's what this little girl, your little girl needs.

[00:30:34]She needs She needs You said it wasn't anything in my book to train a child.

[00:30:37]There was. We talked about tying strings. She needs you to look in her eyes and she needs to see value.

[00:30:44]She needs to receive a reflection that you value her.

[00:30:48]That you're proud of her.

[00:30:49]And you need to be talking to her like you talk to a a friend. You need to be explaining things and sharing things with her. She needs to be working with you in the kitchen, cooking, baking, doing things. Not You have to watch when you get kids working with you. Don't push them to the place of labor.

[00:31:08]Little kids should not be pushed or driven to the place to laboring.

[00:31:15]Work has to be fun.

[00:31:17]It has to be a shared experience of of pleasure and joy. It If you push them to the point that they're laboring, they're going to hate work and they're not going to like you. You become a slave taskmaster.

[00:31:31]And so if Shalom were here, she would share some of her experiences on how she's trained her kids, but they are In fact, I got some of the best grandkids in the world, 27 of them.

[00:31:42]They're just >> And great grandkids.

[00:31:43]>> They're exceptional and great grandkids.

[00:31:45]So go with that.

[00:31:47]Uh Our kids were raised with being highly valued, highly praised, challenged with joy to participate in many things, and they're all raising their kids the same way.

[00:32:00]And so it's it's a beautiful thing to have a family that's ordered around God and where no one feels inferior or unwanted or like they need to conform.

[00:32:13]They all are leaders. They're all ready to step out, take charge. And you see them You see the young men doing that.

[00:32:20]You see them out front. The young girls, too. You see them out front. They are the ones that other people are looking to.

[00:32:26]And that's not a performance thing.

[00:32:28]That's confidence built in them from the time they were year old, 2 years old. If you don't build it by the time they're 4 years old, you failed.

[00:32:37]You're You're doing a reclamation project after that, but it still can be done.

[00:32:43]Uh we've taken um orphan kids in and worked with them like that.

[00:32:48]And uh uh we have other kids that are church and places we come in contact with these just like yesterday. There was a young girl there. How was she?

[00:32:57]Eight or nine years old?

[00:32:58]>> Mhm.

[00:32:58]>> And uh so she was she's different from our kids, but I gave attention to building her up, so she she will have pleasant memories of being with our family, and she'll remember that we're Christians, and she'll know that we're different, and she'll know that Christians are where you go to get praised, to be valued, to be significant. And she'll want to know the Christ that we know, want to know the God that we know.

[00:33:25]So that's the way to deal with this.

[00:33:28]Um what struck me, cuz this is the first time going through it, was I read that while while she was growing up, and I thought I must have missed the 16 and thought it was six. I went back and no, she's six. She's still growing up.

[00:33:42]Right. And And when kids are growing up, there's you they go through stages, and there's uh th- they're not mature by the time they're six. And they have as they're learning what social behavior is, there's some struggles with social behavior. Don't over sweat that, and um I can't emphasize the tying strings enough. I think that grandparents are more do do hold the office more of encourager >> Yeah.

[00:34:11]>> than parents. Parents also have to have the they have the parents are responsible to develop the structure, the hierarchical structure in the family. And the grandparents should be the recipients of that and not be trying to develop it. Um when my kids were little and they brought me a picture that was they had painted, I'd I would ask them questions. Well, what is this? That's a tree.

[00:34:35]>> That's a smart move.

[00:34:37]>> Like does you think a tree looks like that? Do you look at Does that look like a tree?

[00:34:43]Not really. Yeah, I didn't think it looked like a tree either, but I thought you did you know, you you tried. But you think you can do it better?

[00:34:49]Well, when they got older, they'd bring their stuff to me and and not Mama. And and Mama would say, "Well, I want to see it." And they're going, "Well, you'll just say you like it. Daddy will tell us what's wrong with it."

[00:34:58]>> [laughter] >> And they they It was always done in love. It was never done in in making fun of them or anything like that. It was always done as a as a let's let's improve this.

[00:35:11]But I I think that un that that praise needs to be needs to have a purpose. In other words, you don't you're not praised for playing, you're praised for winning.

[00:35:25]Although, I'm I appreciate you for playing. And so >> Art is a personal expression.

[00:35:33]>> I've seen a lot of personal expressions that are just terrible. Um >> [laughter] >> But uh it is a uh it's a constant balance and um when you finish to train up a child, go back and read it again. It is about to training up parents and uh it is uh I I I found it to be a blessing in my life.

[00:35:54]>> Well, this is what I have to say about it. Um this is about food and eating, but it translates over to uh a child that's in this situation.

[00:36:06]When we had the Russian kids, they were uh over-the-top interested in food in a really odd way that we did not relate to very well. So, we would sit down and there would be enough of everything for everybody, but they would fix their plate in a in a nervous way more than they would eat and be obviously defensive about it.

[00:36:35]And um and they would take more you know, little drinks or candy or whatever and um and they would be looking at me to see if I'm going to fuss at them about it. And it was we even had one that hide in the pantry and just eat nasty stuff just just nervous about food.

[00:36:59]So, we had to tell them over and over and over again, there's plenty of food.

[00:37:06]I'll make more if you need more. There's no you know, we live on a farm so you know, you can go out and pick cucumbers or tomatoes or whatever. We got plenty of meat.

[00:37:15]Um and at the time that was what 25 years ago?

[00:37:19]A long time ago. Um I was learning what does that mean and how how can I heal these children from this problem and yesterday the little girl that was at our house um she did the same thing but on a smaller scale. She was take more than what she needed and then look around real apprehensive and um and I realized that there is something in her that is broken and it has something to do with being told not to take this and sometime or another in her life probably in her very early life she was hungry. I think her mom and dad were both drug addicts and now she's in a different situation.

[00:38:04]But what I'm trying to tell you is um even if there is something in your child's past that has made her like it is your idea uh is not to um correct it by fussing at her but by providing for her.

[00:38:24]>> Mhm, good.

[00:38:25]>> Uh and when you provide for her what she's lacking, then it grows her. It helps her become what uh she needs to be, but not because you've told her what she needs to be, but you've helped her grow.

[00:38:44]And so, um that's the way I would work with her. I would provide her anything that would, you know, I'd sit down with her a lot and read her books and talk about what you read and tell her, "You know, this reminds me of you. You really do good when you uh read or when you you're learning this or, you know, I'm amazed at what uh how valuable you are in helping me wash the dishes or whatever uh comes along until she has a time to heal, but she might be like the little girl yesterday uh and always have that apprehension. And there was another thing with her, too. Uh when she was sitting at the table, she says, "May I get my water?"

[00:39:31]And looked at me with extreme anxiousness.

[00:39:35]And I I was, you know, it was hard for me to relate to a 9-year-old being nervous to me about going to get her water. And I said, "Sure, you can go get your water." So, about 30 minutes later, I was laying on my bed and uh saying, "Okay, it's my time to take a nap." And so, she comes in there and I could tell she was apprehensive trying to ask me if she could do something. And I said, "Do you know what? Shalom was my baby."

[00:40:10]She kind of looks like, "What is that supposed to mean?" I said, "Shalom was my little girl. I raised her up. Do you think Shalom sweet? Yes, Shalom is really sweet. She's She's nice. She stays at Shalom's house. The little girl stays at Shalom's house a lot. And I said, "Well, I taught her how to be nice."

[00:40:28]>> [laughter] >> And then I said, "You know who else was my baby?" And she said, "Who?" I said, "Nathan was my baby."

[00:40:35]And she goes, "Nathan was your baby?" I said, "Yeah, he was my little boy." I said, "Do you think Nathan's nice?"

[00:40:42]"Yeah, Nathan's nice." I said, "Well, who do you think taught him how to be nice?"

[00:40:47]I said, "I'm nice. You don't have to worry about me. I I'm nice." She goes, "Oh, okay."

[00:40:53]I could tell it just like But it took information and it took tying information together in her heart and mind for her to be able to relax.

[00:41:05]She's been around me a little bit, but not a lot, but be able to relax and realize I'm not there to to yell at her or restrict her from what she values. She's restricting her from what she values and needs. I'm just there to be uh be her friend and help her out and provide provide her >> call that remedial nurturing.

[00:41:32]You know, it's going back and and doing what they missed when they're 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 years old.

[00:41:39]And sometimes you have to remedial nurture a 25-year-old or 40-year-old.

[00:41:47]You know, there are people who just never mature.

[00:41:50]So it may be in just one area, but some people in multiple areas. So if you love them and you care about them, you can't whip them in line and demand certain performance.

[00:42:01]You have to nurture them to it something flows from their heart out rather than just desire to please you.

[00:42:09]>> We had a >> Or just desire to please God equally. I mean, you you know >> transfers.

[00:42:13]>> Yeah.

[00:42:14]>> Years ago we had a my wife got a dog and brought in the house and I had just gotten home from work and she and I were talking about something in depth and I'm staring out across the room not seeing.

[00:42:27]I was thinking about something. I'm looking inside my own head as I'm thinking about it. And I kind of focus and that dog had crawled toward me on and it and it got on its stomach and it did >> [laughter] >> there was a trail of urine in the floor behind as it had approached me cuz I'm staring it down and it thought I was just I don't know the alpha about to tear it up or something. I hadn't even seen the dog.

[00:42:49]Well, I thought that was pretty hilarious, but then >> You didn't know you were that bad, did you?

[00:42:54]>> [laughter] >> I didn't. I Over the years when the dog became comfortable in our home and knew that I wasn't I wasn't going to I was protected. I wouldn't do harm to it.

[00:43:05]Uh if I stared at it, it would get excited, run to me and jump. It wanted attention. Right? It had a different view of the exact same action because of our relationship. And what we're talking about is building a relationship so that so that the exact same word no doesn't mean I dislike you. It means I'm choosing a different path as the hierarchical structure or the the word come here means something different and uh yes, you got to build that relationship to do that.

[00:43:34]>> All right. I guess that's better than the way I deal with a dog when it pees in the floor.

[00:43:38]>> [laughter] >> I was so tickled. I couldn't stop.

[00:43:42]I felt pretty macho. Of course, it was an 8-lb dog, but you know. [laughter] Uh I intimidated without meaning to.

[00:43:48]Okay, Joshua chapter 24 verse 15 and 16, the King James Bible has flood and other translations use the word river.

[00:43:59]The King James uses both flood and river throughout the Bible. So, the words can't mean the same thing because the translators knew the difference and used river when they were talking about a river.

[00:44:10]Interestingly, the book of Joshua appears to be the only time they use the word flood to describe a river. So, my thoughts are flood means flood to the translators regardless if the Hebrew word for river and flood are interchangeable.

[00:44:25]This bugs me because I believe the KJV to be the Bible, but that verse talking about the Euphrates River when it seems like the translators would have used river and not flood, it just doesn't make sense to me. So, I've got to be missing something.

[00:44:40]>> You are missing something. The Hebrew word there is nahar.

[00:44:45]And it is translated sometimes uh river and sometimes flood. Now, what he is concerned about is the difference between the King James Bible and all the other versions where the other versions instead of translating it uh flood uh translating it river, it translates it flood.

[00:45:11]And uh >> [laughter] >> I love the question. Now, here's the verse, Joshua 24:15.

[00:45:20]For if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom you'll serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on this side of the flood or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwelt.

[00:45:35]But as for me and my house, we'll serve the Lord. So, he said all the other versions say your fathers served uh on this side of the river, and the King James Bible says flood. Now, the Hebrew won't help you because the same word is translated both ways.

[00:45:53]So, he recognized that. He said, "Interesting, the book of Joshua uh he says the translators knew the difference and used river when they were talking about a river. He's concerned now that this is a river, why do the King James translators mess up and call it a flood?

[00:46:10]Uh, the Bible says that blessed are the meek. Meek is learnable, teachable.

[00:46:17]So, he says other side of the flood, that's verse 14. I'm excuse me, verse 15.

[00:46:23]Now, what does verse 14 say immediately before it? Listen to this.

[00:46:28]Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in truth.

[00:46:33]And put away the gods which your father served on the other side of the flood and in Egypt.

[00:46:42]Serve the Lord.

[00:46:43]So, the verse before it defines the flood as something in Egypt.

[00:46:49]When did When were the fathers the other side of the flood? That was the flood that drowned in Pharaoh's army when they came out of Egypt. That's the flood he's speaking of.

[00:47:03]It's not a river, it was a flood where the water came in and drowned in them.

[00:47:08]And so, the translators used the context. Now, what I did is I looked up that Hebrew word every time it appears and read them all and looked at the difference between river and flood or a body of water.

[00:47:26]And what I found was that the context always defines whether or not he's talking about a river, a lake, or an ocean, or a flood. And it's very clear the context in each case. And so, the King James translators were just being consistent in paying attention to what the Bible said and letting it be the guide on how to determine it. Now, what you got to understand is that foreign languages, say in Hebrew or Greek, they have far fewer words than the English language does.

[00:47:59]And just as in the English language, there are implied meanings for word. For instance, take the word love.

[00:48:07]I say I love pizza, I love my wife, and I love God.

[00:48:11]This I've used love three different ways. Well, actually, the Greek uses the word love as three different words.

[00:48:21]And so it can speak of love God, agape, love my wife, eros, and love my fellow man, uh phileo.

[00:48:29]So, three different Greek words, but in English is only one. But what is it? We have an understanding in English to parse that into what we're talking about by virtue of the context.

[00:48:43]So, sometimes you'll find that there'll be several words in the Greek or Hebrew, only one in the English, or there'll be one in the Hebrew and Greek and six in the English. And so the English, for instance, the word hand, uh in the we have the word hand, but in the Bible, you have hand, hand, hand, hand.

[00:49:10]You have different words to define different parts of the hand. So you can't just say hand, you have to say the palm of the hand, the back of the hand, the the back of the fingers, the back of the hand here, or the wrist, and that's part of the hand, too.

[00:49:23]So when they pierced his hands and his feet, that would have gone, as the Romans did, through the wrist, which was stronger.

[00:49:31]So it is the word the word that's used here, and they are in Hebrew, uh can mean flood, or it can mean river. It's a body of water, large body of water, and the context tells you what it is. So don't go jumping on the bandwagon saying these other translations are right, the King James made a error. They did not. You're the one that made the error by foolishly believing commercial translations over the living word of God, the King James Bible.

[00:50:02]>> The other thing I'd add is Joshua 24 is uh Joshua instructing the people and I think you mentioned the the Red Sea, I think he's also talking about the Jordan. He's >> About the what?

[00:50:13]>> About the Jordan. He's talking about both. In verse six, uh I'm sorry, on verse eight, he says, "And I brought you under the land of the Amorites which dwelt on the other side of Jordan."

[00:50:25]The initial people of Israel that were baptized under Moses in the Red Sea crossed the flood and were baptized under Moses, those guys all died, everybody that was over 20. And when they came into into the promised land they the priest came down to the river and when their toes touched, the water stopped and the river became a flood on the upriver side until the entire 3 million people walked through, took the 12 rocks. That's quite the flood on that side.

[00:50:56]Joshua's giving a a sermon about choose you this day who you'll serve and when he says flood, I think he's referencing, based on the context, I think he's referencing both. That God's the one that brought us through the water in Egypt and through the water in Jordan.

[00:51:13]Uh and and because he brought us through the flood, then choose you this day who you'll serve and as for me and my house, the famous passage. So, I think that that if we changed it to river, we would lose the we would lose the sea, but also from a from a just communication standpoint if you call it river, you're way underwhelming what God did when he brought them through the Jordan. It wasn't just, "Okay, we waited through the water." It was a flood where God stopped the river.

[00:51:44]>> I hadn't thought about that and that's good.

[00:51:46]>> Well, it's how I would preach it if I were Joshua. I wouldn't call it a river.

[00:51:49]Use the right And the other thing is I've I've talked to people about the King James and they they come up with a word like that. And I ask him, "Do you know what the difference between a good husband and an axe murderer is?"

[00:52:03]What? Two.

[00:52:05]Husbands, leave your father and mother and cleave unto your wife.

[00:52:09]If you leave the unto out of it and cleave your wife, you're an axe murderer.

[00:52:13]>> [laughter] >> You have to understand the word cleave completely changes because you use the the pronoun unto and now you understand that you're talking about staying with your wife, not not whacking her with an axe. And so, in English, we don't even think about it.

[00:52:28]But if you think about translating that and if you use the word chop or dissect or something else in a different language, but in English, we're very we just have very specific verbs for a lot of different things. A very very specific We have nouns for everything.

[00:52:44]And and >> We have adjectives.

[00:52:46]>> And that specificity, yeah, allows us to say things clearly, but the Yeah, cleave to your wife or cleave your wife is is a very different term.

[00:52:55]>> [laughter] >> Okay, are we done?

[00:52:58]>> Yep.

[00:52:58]>> Uh five.

[00:53:00]I won't get an answer back on this because it exposes a non-pretribulation if the church is in heaven before the seals then why does John never describe a great multitude around the throne in Revelation 4 but he but he does after the six seals have broken in Revelation 7:9.

[00:53:25]You Uh okay, I'll keep going.

[00:53:28]Uh you would think John would not overlook that detail back in Revelation 4. This is where teachers and preachers will get into trouble. The actual word wrath is not seen and announcing it as starting after the sixth seal in Revelation 6:16 and 17.

[00:53:48]This is when we are gathered to him, which parallels Matthew 24:3-31 in perfect alignment with the seals.

[00:53:57]Jesus never told the disciples anything about the trumpet and the bowls because this is wrath and any new believers did not need to worry about those.

[00:54:10]It's the details that always get overlooked. Show discernment, everybody.

[00:54:15]Please read and study for yourself.

[00:54:18]No disrespect intended.

[00:54:20]>> Well, we don't feel disrespected. We feel challenged.

[00:54:25]And I love being challenged, you know.

[00:54:27]>> being challenged.

[00:54:28]>> But I need to read these before I act This is the first time I've read it.

[00:54:32]There's no punctuation. It makes it tough I need to read through these and edit them first.

[00:54:36]>> Yeah, makes it difficult.

[00:54:38]Um You have read Rosenthal's pre-wrath rapture or some book derived from that teaching after he came up with the concept.

[00:54:50]Uh I think he was um director of Israel, My Glory, maybe it was back years ago and he had to quit because he uh ended up a heretic concerning the rapture. Not that he won't go to heaven, but uh he adopted the pre-wrath rapture position. Now, I what when it came you know, when it came out I bought the book because it was different from what I believed. I don't read books that agree with me. I read books that disagree with me.

[00:55:19]And I like to be challenged. In fact, if I'm wrong about the rapture, I want to know.

[00:55:25]I I'm 80 years old. I may die anytime now and when I do, I want to be right on everything when I get to heaven. And I keep learning I'm wrong on different things and so if you can show me where I'm wrong, I'm ready to make a change.

[00:55:37]I'm getting close to the judgment seat of Christ.

[00:55:40]And I want to get everything cleared up before I get there. So, I'm not afraid of a challenge.

[00:55:45]And we are addressing your subject, by the way.

[00:55:48]Now, uh what he's basically saying and it was complex. He's two different issues he's raised here.

[00:55:56]Uh the first one is is about the pre-wrath rapture and uh and then let me let's just deal with that first.

[00:56:05]Uh Revelation 5:8-9 he said, "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and the four and twenty elders fell down before the lamb having every one of them harps, golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of the saints.

[00:56:15]And they sung a new song saying, Thou art worthy to take the book and open the seals, for thou was slain and has redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, tongue, people, and nation." He said that the saints were not in heaven to Revelation 7 when it says there was a great multitude which no man could number.

[00:56:33]He said that the church went through the opening of the seals. And it wasn't until the seals were opened that the wrath of God came down.

[00:56:45]And so he said since the church is not seen in Revelation until you get to chapter 7, therefore the church wasn't in heaven.

[00:56:59]Now, I don't know how in the world he could assume that this is not the church in heaven. Listen this.

[00:57:07]They sung a song saying, "Thou art worthy to open the book. Thou slain has redeemed us to to God by thy blood out of every kindred, tongue, nation, and people."

[00:57:16]If that's not the church in heaven, who is it?

[00:57:19]And they made us under our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth.

[00:57:23]All that is what God defines for the Christians.

[00:57:27]And I beheld and heard the voice of many angels round about the throne, the beasts, the elders, and the number of them were 10,000 * 10,000, thousands of thousands. That's a pretty big crowd.

[00:57:35]That's into the multi-millions.

[00:57:38]Saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the lamb that was slain to receive honor, riches, strength, power, and every creature in heaven and on earth." So forth, so forth, so forth. Uh So, he says that's not the church.

[00:57:51]He says the church goes through what I'm going to read to you now.

[00:57:56]It's verse chapter 6.

[00:57:58]He said the church goes through this before the rapture.

[00:58:04]So, instead of the rapture being the beginning of the 7 years, he's got it somewhere toward he thinks the middle of the 7 years or toward the last few months.

[00:58:14]And I saw when the lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard as it were the noise of thunder and one of the four beasts saying, "Come and see." And I saw and behold a white horse, and he that sat on him had a bow, and a crown was given unto him. He went forth conquering and to conquer. So, the church is there, he says.

[00:58:28]And when he opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, "Come and see." And there went another horse that was red, and power was given to him to take peace from the earth that they should be killed one another, and there was given to him a great sword. So, he says the church is there. He said this is pre-wrath.

[00:58:42]And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, "Come and see." And behold a black horse, and on him had a pair of balance scales in his hand. He said, "A measure of wheat for a penny, three measures of barley for a penny. See, thou hurt not the oil and the wine." This is famine.

[00:58:56]So, he said the church is there. This is pre-wrath, he says.

[00:58:59]And I looked and behold a pale horse, and he that sat on him was death, and hell followed with him, and power was given to him over the fourth part of the earth to kill with sword, hunger, death, and beasts of the earth. He said, "This is the church going through this, and this is not wrath yet.

[00:59:15]This is not tribulation yet," he says.

[00:59:19]Now, as you know, sometimes it's just mystifying what what peo- peo- He said, "Need to read for ourselves.

[00:59:27]I'm reading the Bible, not Rosenthal. So I am reading for myself. Maybe you are reading the wrong book.

[00:59:36]And when you open the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls and they were slain for the word of God for the testimony which they held.

[00:59:43]And they cried This is the seven This is 144,000.

[00:59:48]Uh prove it to you, but the context bears that out. The 144,000 are not sealed until after the rapture the church. I'll show you that.

[00:59:57]And they cried with a loud voice saying, "How long, oh Lord, with true and just and true when I not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

[01:00:05]They were killed during that first part of the tribulation. And they said, "That's not wrath."

[01:00:10]These folks in uh without bodies crying out for vengeance think it was.

[01:00:16]And white robes were given unto every one of them and said unto them they should rest a little while until their fellow servants also and their brethren that should be killed as they were should be fulfilled. He said He said you got to wait till all of them are killed before we execute the day of judgment.

[01:00:30]And And I beheld when he opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake, and there was sun came black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.

[01:00:39]And the stars fell from heaven as a fig cast untimely fig shaken of mighty wind.

[01:00:43]And the heavens departed as a scroll rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their place.

[01:00:46]That's the second coming, which appears four times in the book of Revelation.

[01:00:53]So you've already gotten all the way through.

[01:00:56]The seals take you all the way through.

[01:00:58]And you're down to the last one. And the kings of the earth and the great men and the rich men and the chief captains hid themselves in the dens and the rocks of the mountains said, "Fall on us and hide us from the wrath of the lamb."

[01:01:09]He said, "There's the word wrath, so the tribulation is now starting." He said.

[01:01:16]You know, if my 7-year-old came up with that, I I be embarrassed. I think he's kind of dumb, you know.

[01:01:23]I need to read this again.

[01:01:24]>> I was pretty sure of it so >> [laughter] >> For the great day of wrath is come who shall be able to stand? That is the Jesus Christ coming back and damning everyone to hell.

[01:01:36]So, to say that the church is not present when two chapters earlier clearly they were in heaven.

[01:01:44]And to say that they they get taken out here there's no record of any church being taken out.

[01:01:51]Uh I read Rosenthal twice. The reason I read it twice I read it carefully and you know what I did? Let me tell you what I did when I read Rosenthal pre-wrath rapture.

[01:02:03]I did what I do a lot of times.

[01:02:04]I dismissed my belief in pre-tribulational rapture because the impact it was making.

[01:02:11]And I said to myself, "Okay, believe what he's saying."

[01:02:16]Here's the evidence put together by a brilliant guy smarter than me.

[01:02:21]Read it and believe it.

[01:02:23]I really did that.

[01:02:25]That was one time when I decided to be an atheist in just my thinking.

[01:02:29]I said, "Here's >> Remind me of King Solomon.

[01:02:31]>> [laughter] >> He didn't drink though.

[01:02:34]>> No wine. An evolutionist. I put my mind in that frame and I could feel it I could feel the darkness and the emptiness of it. I know what it feels like to be an atheist. I went there.

[01:02:45]Just projected myself into that. Now, so I did that with Rosenthal and I read it and I took notes to get all the evidence.

[01:02:56]And I thought, "Why did he not He was quoting from one version now he's changed versions.

[01:03:03]So I went back to the previous version.

[01:03:05]Oh, it doesn't teach that. So he found another version.

[01:03:09]So I kept reading. Oh, he switched another version here. Why? I went back to the other two. No, they didn't teach it either.

[01:03:15]He was version picking, selecting, looking for the right word to teach his doctrine. He could not teach it from any single Bible.

[01:03:29]And then he was ignorant in a lot of places, just like this. Practice this kind of ignorance. So, I said to myself when I got through with it, uh kind of disappointed. He He wasn't as smart as I thought he was.

[01:03:41]Let me go back and read this thing again.

[01:03:44]So, I took my notes and I read it through again.

[01:03:46]I got through and I said, "Wow.

[01:03:49]I am now pre-tribulational rapture and always will be unless somebody can come up with something better because I have a Bible and I've read it."

[01:04:01]>> I remember when you got that book.

[01:04:02]>> Yeah, I remember it, too.

[01:04:04]>> And and we didn't get a lot of books. I remember you you And I remember you were looking disappointed when you you're like, "Yeah, he's totally wrong." And then, uh you taught we Was that when you write did the Revelation chart? It was right at that time.

[01:04:19]>> I think it was about '93 or '4 when I did the Revelation teaching.

[01:04:23]>> No, I really think it was before that.

[01:04:25]>> I don't know.

[01:04:26]>> Cuz we were in the brown van when we were going back and forth to uh to uh Honewell.

[01:04:31]>> that caught on fire?

[01:04:32]>> Yeah.

[01:04:33]>> Okay.

[01:04:33]>> Um the uh the the There's so much wrong with this. We'll just stop there. I'll keep going. Okay.

[01:04:44]In the King James uh lesson or question six, in the King James Bible in some instances, theos, creator >> Theos is a Hebrew word for God.

[01:04:54]>> creator >> He called it.

[01:04:55]>> Theos is is translated as God. Uh example is John 3:16. In others, Lord, all caps. Was this a stylistic choice or is there deeper meaning? How does this uh relate to the decision to translate kyros master as Lord with a regular case in 2 Peter 3:8.

[01:05:19]>> Now, what he's doing he's got two illustrations of supposed errors in the King James Bible is what he's doing.

[01:05:25]Two different illustrations.

[01:05:27]The first one is theos and so you know what I did he he he's he's an error here he said the King James some instances translates theos as God and others Lord.

[01:05:42]It does not.

[01:05:45]Because I looked up all 1,344 times theos is found in the Bible and I scanned every one of them.

[01:05:57]And not a single time is it translated capital L O R D.

[01:06:02]The King James Bible is unique when it is a capital L O R D it is a translation of the word Jehovah.

[01:06:12]Jehovah every single time without exception.

[01:06:16]And so you're just wrong. I don't know where you got your information how you came up with that but the word theos is kurios.

[01:06:25]Now, he said 2 Peter 3:8 uses not for deity but as the chief or boss uh 2 Peter 3:8 uh read that to him Nathan. Now Let me read to you this word uh kurios which is translated Lord.

[01:06:49]Uh he's going to read it in 2 Peter 3:8.

[01:06:55]>> I'm I'm >> When he finds it he he never did win the Bible search contest when he was a kid.

[01:07:03]>> Meaning 3:8 But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord a thousand years, and a thousand years is one day.

[01:07:14]>> Lord.

[01:07:15]And that's that's little l o r d.

[01:07:18]>> Capital L, and then small o r d.

[01:07:20]>> it's not a big o r d.

[01:07:21]>> Jehovah.

[01:07:22]>> Yeah.

[01:07:23]So, that's the word kurios. Now, here here's some examples of the 300 1,344 times it's used.

[01:07:33]And she said, "True Lord, yet the dogs eat the crumbs which fall from the master's table."

[01:07:40]So, the word Lord here, as used in 2 Peter 3:8, is used to refer to, you know how the English refer to lords?

[01:07:50]That's the way it's used in the Bible.

[01:07:52]It's any one of importance. It's like sir. In fact, it's translated sir uh in Matthew 21:30. And when he came to the second, he said likewise, and he answered and said, "I go, sir." And went not. Same kurios translated sir.

[01:08:10]And then here another one, Matthew 18:25, "For as much as he hath not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold."

[01:08:17]So, the when the Bible calls Jesus Lord, it also calls masters Lord, and it calls leaders of different ones Lord. So, it is a common courtesy term, not capital L capital O capital or capital D Jehovah.

[01:08:37]So, two different words used two different ways, and you just have a misunderstanding of what the text says, and of the words themselves.

[01:08:50]>> All right.

[01:08:51]Um seven.

[01:08:54]How do you suggest young believers navigate trials and assurance of salvation? Some Christian groups say you will physically feel getting saved and feel the presence of the Holy Spirit inside.

[01:09:06]When I think about this, it makes me turn inward looking to my feelings and emotions for a special sign confirming my salvation.

[01:09:14]>> The Bible does say examine yourselves whether you be in the faith.

[01:09:18]>> Mhm.

[01:09:19]>> Uh and so there is appropriate to examine yourself.

[01:09:24]Feelings, and Charles G. Finney talks about feelings.

[01:09:27]And uh you you've heard the term fact, faith, and feelings. Facts comes first.

[01:09:31]Jesus died for me, that's a fact.

[01:09:34]Uh faith, I believe he died for me.

[01:09:37]And then the feelings. Feelings are changed that according to what you eat or what you take in or something else that happens to you that makes you feel up or makes you feel down or excited or good music makes you feel good and bad music makes you want to run. Good preaching makes you feel good. Bad music makes you want to run. So there there's all kind of feelings we have.

[01:09:58]But it's a delicate situation when you come to to salvation. I don't want to say to somebody you're saved even though you don't feel like it.

[01:10:10]It's not important that you feel like it.

[01:10:13]It is important. That's like you know, in your marriage you want to feel the reality of what you're what you're experiencing. And if you feel different from the reality, then you have to question the reality.

[01:10:25]So when I got saved, I felt saved.

[01:10:29]>> [laughter] >> When I got born again, I felt I feel I feel born again now. It feels good.

[01:10:34]Feels real good, you know? I'm excited about that. And if you have been Tell you what to do. Let me This is what you can do.

[01:10:43]Worship God.

[01:10:45]That doesn't mean you feel something.

[01:10:47]That means that you speak his name with reverence and with appreciation and you think upon and talk about who he is and his great virtues and attributes.

[01:10:59]Read the Psalms.

[01:11:01]Speaking to yourself that's your feelings. In Psalms, hymns, spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your hearts unto the Lord. You're stirring your own stir up yourself.

[01:11:14]The Bible says. So, just go back, read the Psalms, read the scripture, and pray it back to God. Sing it back to God.

[01:11:25]If you're born again and the spirit of God lives in you, you'll have great assurance and confidence as you exalt the Lord Jesus Christ.

[01:11:36]But if you start exalting Christ and speaking his name and singing, you found yourself in a room with the walls closed in and your voice echoing off the walls, and you're all alone, and it's meaningless.

[01:11:53]Get born again. Confess your sins. If you have unconfessed sin, you're not going to feel saved.

[01:11:59]Uh if you have sin that you're continuing at, you're not going to feel saved and shouldn't feel saved.

[01:12:05]And so, repent of all your sin.

[01:12:08]Rejoice in Jesus Christ. Exalt him.

[01:12:11]Worship him.

[01:12:14]And let the feelings follow, and they will.

[01:12:18]>> Um Luther had a great testimony when he went to uh to the uh monastery and tried to live without he lived without speaking and in absence of everything because he felt unsaved. Then he got saved.

[01:12:34]And when he got saved, he left the monastery. He went and married a nun, and he wrote his 95 Theses. He got born again, and it changed everything.

[01:12:42]Um I've had people ask me this question, "Well, how do I feel saved? Get saved."

[01:12:47]But you know, how I don't feel saved.

[01:12:49]Well, stop everything else you're doing and and and deal with that. Well, I can't. Really? Cuz I think you can. I think that if you're serious about it, you can.

[01:12:58]How do you know that you're saved?

[01:12:59]Because Jesus is my friend. Because the spirit bears witness. And if you don't know for sure, then get closer to Jesus. Study him, read him, think about him, meditate on him, sing to him, pray to him, uh fast before him, um set your affections on him. And then you say, "But But I think I am saved and I just don't feel like it." Same thing.

[01:13:24]Well, I'm not sure. Same thing. Just get closer to Jesus. From wherever you are, run to Jesus. Get closer and get closer.

[01:13:30]And um it isn't a I I never want to tell people, "Well, if you believe God, you're calling him a liar if you if you say you're not saved."

[01:13:41]I never because Luther wasn't saved.

[01:13:43]This was a guy that was that was willing to not talk for 6 months and he wasn't saved until he until he spent the time and the energy and the thought and gave himself over to to Christ and him alone.

[01:13:57]So, uh yeah, get closer to Jesus. Read Read through the Gospels again. And the the two things that are connected here is navigate trials and assurance of salvation, which I I'm just going to say cuz I'm we're the time that we live in still doing pornography and don't feel saved.

[01:14:16]Um repent. Repent and you know, throw away computers and whatever you need to, get part of a recovery group, uh confess your faults one to another, um fall down at the feet of Jesus and um and turn your life over to him. I've known people that struggle with it for years and that got right, that that were saved and had struggles and then uh it wrecked their lives.

[01:14:44]Yeah.

[01:14:45]>> When there's sin. Well, that's what's connected here is >> sin and doubt. And so, uh yeah, get right with God and it'll it'll change how you feel.

[01:14:53]>> All right, look here guys. Do this right here.

[01:14:55]Do this. Hold it.

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[01:15:00]>> [laughter] >> I thought you were going to talk about your thumb you broke.

[01:15:03]>> Uh well, it >> Okay, Ray.

[01:15:04]>> it won't bend, but hit that thumbs up button.

[01:15:07]>> [laughter] >> Come on, Dad.

[01:15:09]Are you done for the day then? Okay, I reckon we're done.

[01:15:12]>> He's done.

[01:15:13]>> He's done. [laughter] Thumbs up. Thank you guys for joining us for sending in the questions.

[01:15:17]Um we'll be back with you, Lord willing, next week and have shalom. So, we'll see you back here next week. Thank you.