HBAR Weekly Update - The Future Will be Built on Alien Tech

Added: 2026-05-23

[00:00:03]I'm really looking forward to the show we have today. I finally got that interview in with Hideera founder Mance Harmon. It did not disappoint and I got some questions around that. So, we're going to try to address some of those.

[00:00:13]We also have several really good winners that came from the recent hackathons.

[00:00:18]Great teams there. So, we're going to dive into that. We also have a segment on version three for Saucer Swap, the top decks on Hideera. So, we're going to jump into that as well. And we have a lot more for you as well. Welcome back.

[00:00:29]I'm Brandon the H Bar Bull here once again to bring you the latest in the Hideera ecosystem. But as always, none of this is financial advice. Use it for entertainment or educational purposes only. So we are going to give some highlights from that Mance interview just so we can address some of those questions. We're going to start off with a segment around Clipper. Much of the excitement around Hideeracon was around the bridgeless bridging protocol Clipper. So that's cross ledger protocol.

[00:00:55]>> What can we expect as far as practical implementations? What is that going to look like? You know, I envision big announcements for Hyera around a portal being created between Hideera and Salana or Avalanche and Hideera. I know that, you know, it's going to start off with probably the private networks between separate private networks and then to Hideera and then those L1s. Uh, but how do you see all that rolling out?

[00:01:17]>> Uh, yeah. Well, so it will roll out over the course of this year. So I would expect the you know the first instance of this to be out before the end of the year and when it rolls out it's very likely will roll out simultaneously to a number of the major networks. Clipper breaks down the friction, breaks down the walls to that liquidity. If it becomes possible, like it will with Clipper to trivially easily move tokens, assets generally from one network to another network and do that seamlessly.

[00:01:55]Then all of a sudden the developers that are building applications are going to choose the layer ones that have the best performance, the best security and the best governance because the user base is the global user base across all the layer ones. It's no longer the case that we have these silos or will have the silos. We're going to remove the silos, break down those walls for layer for web 3 generally and that's going to directly benefit Hera. So there's that and of course we're eliminating all the bridge risk that that exists today as you've already mentioned, right? We eliminate the bridge risk that um you know that causes people to have concern about which layer one to build on because they know that they're going to end up needing to move these tokens back and forth across the different layers. So, Clipper is just it's good for the entire industry. It's exceptionally good for Hideera because it makes it possible for developers that are considering which layer one to use to choose us for all the right reasons and not be uh concerned about where the liquidity sits. There's a smart contract that's involved. What's interesting and and worth noting is that we don't need or require the other layer ones to participate in this. It's not like we have to create a consortium or a standard that everyone agrees to in order to get the benefits of this. We can just do it unilaterally and that's what we intend to do. Of course, we want to to create the standard and have everyone join and participate and there are a lot of benefits for them to do so, but it's not required. We're just going to do it. We're going to write the smart contracts. We're going to deploy them.

[00:03:46]To your point, it is going to be the case that spheres will be able to communicate with one another securely and and quickly and at very low cost.

[00:03:56]And the result of that, not just spheres, but spheres to spheres, spheres to Hideera mainet, spheres to other layer ones, mainet to other layer ones, you know, any combination. We're essentially breaking down the walls that currently exist in the world of web 3.

[00:04:15]And by and large, we we're expecting for that to happen this year.

[00:04:18]>> So he addresses one of the questions that I've gotten over and over again, and that's when Clipper. So, it looks like we're going to have connections to other major L1s before the end of the year. So, things are going to develop pretty rapidly here. Now, I got a question here from Total Dupe who heard that the cross ledger protocol doesn't require other network involvement and was wondering about ICP. So, there might have been a little misunderstanding there when Mance is talking about not needing other networks. He's not talking about not needing them at all. Of course, we need them. We need them for their liquidity and their users and to tap into all of the cool things that they have going on on over there and vice versa. What he's saying is we don't need any changes done to the core of those networks. We don't need their core developers to make any changes. The endpoints can be established in Hideera and those other networks by the Hashgraph engineering team. Now, it seems like that's in the form of some kind of a smart contract, I'm guessing, but we'll see as things roll out, but they seem very confident that they can pull this off, have completely bridgeless bridging. So, in the case of ICP, as long as they can have the necessary state proofs or of course with other networks, if they are probabilistic, so if we're talking about blockchains, they just have to reach a level of confidence in the state in of those networks to be able to set this up. So either state proofs or that level of confidence to be able to get something that's close to a state proof, that's all we need. As long as we have that and the composability of a smart contract, we should be in really good shape. If ICP can supply that and we want to tap into their liquidity, their users, and allow them to tap into our liquidity and users, then absolutely we can make those bridges. Now, I do think that the first place that we're going to see this is some of the larger networks.

[00:06:04]So Ethereum, Salana, maybe a Hyperlid, not sure how all of that works, but I think those would be the first networks that I would want to tap into. Now the next question we have here is how is the har used with Clipper? This next segment doesn't address that directly, but it does give us some context that we can then discuss.

[00:06:22]>> So I think institutions are going to start private, but that's not that doesn't mean that's where they're going to end up. the uh patterns that we're seeing is that for the the very large organizations their risk tolerance is lower than what the normal startup might be in the world of web 3, right? And because of that when they build their first instances of real applications, real uh solutions, they're going to go with private network. Now the private network is going to need and depend in some ways many of them will on integration with the public network for obvious reasons.

[00:07:03]You know the public network is going to be the location that most of the stable coins are native to. You know it's not likely that USDT for example would be native to a sphere. It just doesn't make sense for that to happen. So there still is a a an important role for public networks even in the world of spheres that have institutional adoption. And then as the experience of of the institutions grows and they become more familiar with what we're doing and and how it all works then it will be more likely that they will move to public networks as well. So they'll they'll use public network capability where it makes sense and where it makes sense to have the features that are in a private network that you don't have in a p public network. They'll use the the private networks. So the the other thing is that we want the institutions building on spheres and not other private networks, right? Obviously if they're going to start private, they need to start private with us. We want them to start private with us so that they have that in-house expertise on Hyera and uh well the Hideera codebase in a private context and then they'll be familiar and would naturally choose Hideera as a public network when it comes time.

[00:08:26]>> I mean there's certainly instances where spheres make sense but I think for most applications using the public network makes a lot more sense and this kind of as you're alluding to is like a foot in the door. You get them using the hashpheres and then when they realize that the public network is probably better in the first place, it's just a natural progression. Right.

[00:08:47]>> That's right. Now again, anybody that adopts Clipper and uses Clipper will have the same feature set and that's good, right? That's good for Hideera.

[00:08:57]That's good for the industry. We certainly welcome that. But um we're going to be the first to do it. Hideera as a platform is sitting primed to capitalize on what's happening in the market. The macros are in our favor. The innovation uh is giving us the opportunity to change the face of web 3 and that's what we intend to do and there's nobody that can stop us.

[00:09:25]>> So how does Clipper leverage HA bar?

[00:09:27]Well, Mance mentions there that Clipper uses smart contracts. So if there's a private ledger or if there's a public network that is tapping into Hideera and vice versa, it will be using that smart contract. Hideera smart contracts are not expensive to use. They're only a couple cents, but it is one of the most expensive services that you can use on Hyera. So extensive use of Clipper could be a significant revenue driver for the Hideera network if it's used at scale.

[00:09:55]but it's driving users and liquidity to the Hideera network and that brings real value to the ecosystem, the HAR economy and of course HAR itself. So if as a result of this Clipper interoperability, we see more trades, more transfers, more general activity on the Hideera network, that drives value to the H bar. But the other thing that I like about this is once again our team, the Hideera team is showing thought leadership in the space.

[00:10:21]We saw it with Derek. We've seen it with a lot of other things. If it does solve this problem of seamless interoperability, addressing the security concerns that go along with bridges that we have been using, there's going to be people that are saying, "Wait a second, this is a fantastic solution. Hideera came up with it. What else have they solved? What is already baked into their protocol?" Whether that is, you know, fair ordering or no me, the gold standard of security with ABFT, they're going to look at Hideera again with fresh eyes because we've solved this huge problem that there's been in the space. But getting back to the H bar, this next segment talks about something that I've been going on about for a really long time, and I was really happy to see that it resonated with Mance. Now, this is something that I've been thinking about for a while. Hideera has the token service. It has the smart contract service, the file storage service, um, and the consensus service.

[00:11:19]In addition, it has the cryptocurrency service. Now, I always felt like it it was a little bit out of place because it's just the har, but I'm starting to realize that it might be one of the most powerful services that we have in that it's a small value internet transfer service. And I think that over time, considering HAR is 1/100th of a cent and all of our other tokens are still cheap, but onetenth of a cent to transfer, you eventually get to the point where agents are going to say this is probably the best means of to transact between one another, between agents, between individuals and agents and everything else. We also have the University College London finding that Hideera is the most efficient network. So when it comes to fees and overhead, Hideera should be able to out compete all other DTS. Now, of course, there's going to be competition when it comes to centralized systems, but as you said, agents, I think, are going to gravitate because of the way crypto is set up and the decentralization. They're going to gravitate to crypto anyway. What are your thoughts around HAR being used for agentto agent commerce and more broadly when it comes to those small value transactions on the internet? I think it's an excellent observation on your part. It's not a service that we normally even talk about, right? This it's just kind of a utility service there that's required for the network to be able to move har as a you know as a function for the network. So um but you're exactly right. You know the the cost to do har transactions is an order of magnitude less than the cost to transfer a stable coin. any fraction of a stable coin. So when we talk about really high volume trans transactions, you know, gazillions of transactions happening, then the market is naturally going to gravitate to the lowest cost solution that provides the performance and security available right that they require. So as long as the performance is there, security is there, the market trusts the governance of the network that is providing all of that. If there is a solution that the market can use and save money, then that's what they're going to use. And uh again, now with Clipper, we make it possible to trivially move assets from network to network. So it doesn't matter where they start, they can move to Hideera, use Hideera currency, you know, the the HAR token in the ways that you've talked about and get all the benefits without any of the costs that the historical costs. Yeah.

[00:14:00]>> Now the other thing when it comes to using har for that low value medium of exchange whether it's for agents or transactional internet of things is you can batch transactions on hideera as well. So it could be much cheaper than 1/100th of a cent but you have to cover costs. I did see that sooie came out this week and said that they were going to eliminate their fees for their stable coins. Now, there's always costs, right?

[00:14:27]And there's no way they can do it at zero cost, not in a sustainable way. So, this is more of a gimmick. Eventually, they are going to have to have fees. And if there are teams out there that build their business model around zero fees using their stable coins, that can cause a really major issue when they have to eventually put those fees into place.

[00:14:47]Hideera can always out compete when it comes to fees because Hyera is the most efficient network out there. But you have to have that consistency of letting your users know what those fees are going to be. Now, in the case of HAR, it can be much much cheaper because it is our strategic asset. The more that the HAR economy builds, that rotational demand that builds around the H bar, the better it is for our ecosystem. So even if we aren't covering cost completely, there are enough other benefits out there that you can still use the H bar for these kind of things and have super low fees, but having no fees at all for a nonstrategic asset. So it's really strategic for us because it is the base of our entire economy when it comes to Hideera, the HAR. Now, SUI is the base currency for them. And if they're not getting fees for their stable coins, that's not doing anything good for their strategic asset in the SUI token. If Hart can become the agent-to- agent medium of exchange or if it's used for anything else, if it's used for transactional internet of things or smart cities or any of those transactions because it's super cheap, it brings tremendous value to the Hideera ecosystem. Now, we do have a few more questions I want to get into. They weren't really things that were addressed in the Mance interview, but I still wanted to get into them a little bit. But first, I want to say please, if you haven't like, subscribe, set the notifications. I don't say this enough, but it really does help the channel out.

[00:16:14]But we'll get into some of those other questions now. So, this one comes from Bars, who says, "Since HAR is considered a digital commodity, I was wondering whether there are any plans to introduce additional ways for holders to generate yield beyond the current staking model.

[00:16:28]The first thing I want to say is you can absolutely use HAR right now to get some additional yield. If you want to pair it with other tokens like USDC on Saucer Swap, you're going to get nearly 12% APR. If you pair it with Doveu, you're going to get 21%. With Sauce or Pack, you're going to get seven. With Earthling's native currency, Steam, you're going to get 15% and Sentax, you're going to get 5 a.5. Now, you are going to have some risks when you're supplying liquidity like that. Those are some nice yields, but you do have risk of impermanent loss. you might not maintain the upside you want with har itself. Now you're going to be protected from downside if you're paired with USDC but there are some things to consider with that one place where you can get yield for the har. So right now native staking you're getting a little over 2% but you can go to stator which has liquid staking. It's just exposure to the har itself but you get an extra kicker by holding harx. So you trade the har for harx the harx appreciates relative to har and you'll get almost 6% for holding that and your exposure remains purely in the har itself. So there's already other opportunities out there where you can get some extra yield on top of the 2% native staking. Now the native staking is the safest way to do it but there are other ways you can get a kicker. So the next question we have comes from Mr. Marshall who says what happened to permissionless nodes and why are Chinese companies not in the governing council. So I've always thought about this uh road map to permissionless nodes and one of the things that I've thought is there is a a number of nodes that isn't necessary for decentralization. Who knows how many you need for good decentralization. That might be 25, that might be 200 to have really good decentralization. But you certainly don't need thousands and thousands of nodes. The best thing to have is the right number of nodes to have the proper decentralization, but not to impact the capabilities of the network. I believe what the founders say when they say we want to go to permissionless nodes. I think that they certainly intend to get there, but I've also thought that the main power in deciding when to go to permissionless nodes rests with the council itself and if they want a network that has the proper decentralization, but also the capabilities that they're looking for in each shard that they might stop a community nodes. Who knows how many we'll have per shard. Of course, sharding is going to allow us to scale as far as we want. And if we need two shards, maybe that'll be fine. Maybe it'll be 20 shards, but then just bringing in community nodes which we know who are operating those community nodes. So they've been KYCed that might be sufficient to get us to the point where we need to be. Maybe we don't need completely permissionless nodes. So because of that I thought that we might not get to permissionless nodes. But now we have a new thing that's been discussed an awful lot. It's OFFAC compliance. For financial institutions to be able to use these DTS in a compliant way, they have to know who's processing the different transactions, to know where those fees are going to, and just knowing who is processing those transactions to be OFAC compliant, to be regulatory compliant.

[00:19:43]I've seen several of the Hashgraph members talking about this specifically.

[00:19:48]This is another thing that causes me to think that we may stop at community notes. That doesn't mean that you can't operate a community node. You just have to be a known entity to be able to do that. Now, completely permissionless might be a step too far. Again, the founders said, "We're going to get to permissionless, and I've learned not to doubt them, but it is something to consider going forward." As far as the Chinese involvement, Hideera doesn't allow governments to be involved with the operation of the nodes or be on the council or government entities. So we wouldn't have like NASA running a node.

[00:20:24]Maybe SpaceX because it's private, but we wouldn't have NASA because it's controlled by the US government. Now just the way the Chinese system is set up, the government has an awful lot of say and control in all of their companies, even if those companies are private. So this is why Chinese companies really wouldn't be a good fit with how the council's set up right now.

[00:20:45]So I am curious what your thoughts are here on permissionless nodes. Do you think that we can do what we need to do with community nodes to to meet the requirements of having essentially unlimited scaling? And what do you think about additional Chinese involvement? Of course, now we have our partner program.

[00:21:02]So, you could have companies from China join that, but maybe they just aren't involved with the governance because of that influence from the Chinese government. So, the next thing we're going to dive into is I did being part of the team, I did some social media content with the CEO of Saucer Swap. I'm sure you're going to see some of that content coming out. That said, there was a couple things that he talked about with version 3 that's going to be coming out this year and I just had to include that. So, Peter, V3 is the most ambitious product you've ever shipped.

[00:21:32]What should users expect and why is this such a big deal for the entire Hideera ecosystem?

[00:21:39]>> Saucer Swap version 3 is the most ambitious product uh we've ever shipped.

[00:21:44]It is the biggest shift we've made since launching Saucer Swap. So for the first three years, we have been primarily a liquidity layer. Version one and version two let people swap tokens, provide liquidity through automated market makers. Version three makes Sauy Swap a trading platform. It brings a central limit order book to the native layer on Hideera. There's no app chain, there's no L2, there's no rollup. It's directly on Hideera's L1. So, it inherits all of the benefits of Hideera's native layer and it utilizes off-chain matching with atomic onchain settlement. It introduces limit orders natively to the protocol, instant cancellations, free order creation, free order cancellations, uh websocket updates, and uh professional maker API for uh professional traders and market makers. So it is a completely new product and is going to redefine Hideera DeFi. AMMs are are excellent for permissionless liquidity and longtail assets. Um and we will still maintain version one and version two. Version three actually taps into it. So if a trade cannot be uh matched within version 3's order core, then it can tap into the version one and version two liquidity. That kind of hybrid design is a solution so that we continue to build on Hyera DeFi and we don't cannibalize the existing ecosystem.

[00:23:27]And for users, the big promise here is is better execution, lower fees, and a trading experience that feels identical or or very similar to using a centralized exchange while preserving that fundamental self-custody that is foundational to decentralized finance.

[00:23:49]So, V3 will launch with a few order books. We are targeting uh three to five. I believe all the quote assets are in USDC. We'll have HAR, USDC, wrapped Bitcoin, wrapped ETH, and some other markets. Um and and those markets will expand over time. But yeah, I would keep an eye out for version three. The trading experience will be completely different than version one and version two with lower fees and more power. So looking forward to it.

[00:24:20]>> Well, I think we're all looking forward to it. So with the introduction of V3, you're also introducing a a tiered fee model for Exos holders. How's that going to work and what should we expect? Sure.

[00:24:33]Yeah. So the simple answer is that Exos uh which is the token you get by staking sauce becomes directly useful in the trading experience. We want Exos to have utility. We want users to be able to use Exos uh within the platform.

[00:24:51]Previously we had this feature idea for community pools but we think this is actually a better use case for the token. So yeah sauce and EXOS are already tied into governance and protocol economics but with version three they affect trader unit economics.

[00:25:10]So simply put if you stake Sauce into Exos you qualify for tiered trading fee discounts on version three. The proposed launch framework, it has six tiers. It starts at 10,000 Exos tokens for a 5% discount and it scales up to 10 million EXOS tokens for a 40% discount. And the point is not to force every user into um you know the the top tier. We want that accessibility to uh to be attainable for for most users. And the point is to connect the long-term protocol participation with platform benefits. So if you're a frequent tra trader or a market maker, fees obviously matter to you for your financial modeling. And exos gives you a reason to align with the protocol instead of just treating saucer swap as a disposable venue. And I would also just emphasize that the DAO controls these these parameters. The fee schedule, the maker rebates, thresholds, exhaust discounts, routing, all of that can evolve based on real market data and the DAO controls those decisions. The main message here is V3 gives Exos um and by extension s protocol level utility and that is a very different kind of token utility from just emissions or or governance. It's going to be fascinating to see how Saucer Swap competes across the rest of the DeFi ecosystem once we get Clipper out, once we get version three out. It's going to be an exciting year for sure. And speaking of version three, on Monday there's going to be a live bug bounty running. And this is one of your last warnings. Make sure you trade out of your tokens that have been ported through Hashport. Those that are familiar with porting have some pretty nice arbitrage opportunities as many of the tokens are trading at a discount on Saucer Swap compared to what those tokens are worth on the native chains.

[00:27:07]And there's also going to be a new DEX that's launching on Hideera called Lambdlex. And for you Dens out there, it does look like there's going to be an airdrop campaign that's going to be going on where they're going to drop 50 million of their token. It's called the Plex token. To be eligible for this airdrop, you have to have been active on Saucer Swap between January 1st and March 1st of this year. And there's going to be bonuses if you were active for more than 30 of those days, have over 100 successful interactions, have more than 10 LP actions, or have used more than five different tokens on the top decks. Competition brings out the best of us, so I'm looking forward to Lambda hitting the market. Speaking of competition, there is a competition that's ongoing right now. It's called May Mad Madness. It puts different Hideera teams up against each other and whoever gets the most votes through Dream Bay, which I think is really cool.

[00:27:54]I'm going to try to get their team on next week. Whoever gets the most votes moves on to the next thing, just like a March Madness uh bracket, and I think it's pretty cool. I know there's been some controversy about it, but as long as we just take it as fun, we enjoy getting involved with it. It gets us a little bit more engagement. I I think it's fine. I'm looking forward to participating in it next year because the Bullbarians were in it and I tried to make a reel about it and tried to get more involved, but I didn't make it to the next round. Luckily enough, it was Smackum uh that actually beat us out. We actually had the same amount of votes, but I think because they were seated higher, they moved on to the next spot.

[00:28:33]So, either way, it's all in fun. Now, we're going to move on to the next topic. We as I mentioned had a lot of the winners from the recent hackathons that were announced. The first one that we're going to go through is that massive African hackathon that we had last year. So last year we covered the Hideera hackathon that was being put on by the Hashgraph Association and others.

[00:28:55]It was the largest hackathon in Hideera history. Probably one of the largest hackathons across all of web 3. And we finally got to the point where we know the winners. We're going to be going to the the main winners within that hackathon today. We have Emanuel, we have Sophia, we have Jasm Lewis, and Amir. We're going to jump into some of these. So, we're going to start off out of Nigeria. Sophia, can you tell us about Beyond Service?

[00:29:22]>> All right. Um, thank you so much, Brandon. So, Beyond Service is a Soulslike action adventure RPG game that is rooted in Nigeria mythology. as a studio which is Gundu Game Studio. We believe in creating immersive and fun um game projects that are really really rooted in our unique and diverse stories within the African continent itself. The projects that exist within the gaming and NFT track within the Hedera Packaton and um within that chain what we are actually looking for what our vision looks like is to try and scale and build a mobile survival mode for players to be able to play on their phones. Currently the mode that we have is for PC and console players. We are also going to of course be integrating with Hera inet to handle all the financial aspects of our product and also weapon um let's just call it let's just call it game assets inventory within our game. So basically the aim economy is going to be running on why Gundu brings in the creative um aspects of the project. So that is what beyond service is. It is based on a true life story. The characters are very unique based in a real state here in Nigeria Inogu state. Our team has been working for months now on the project.

[00:30:38]We have been um creating 3D models of the city and the landscape that we are basing the story on and it's been such an interesting journey and the game will be out in a few months and would love to see you play it out and give us your feedback. Thank you.

[00:30:53]>> That is absolutely amazing. Of course, Hideera is set up perfectly for games.

[00:30:58]We have some great gaming teams in the space with Earthlings. We know how ambitious it is to tackle a game like that. So, the fact that you're going to have a game out here within the next few months is really exciting. So, now we're going to go to a team out of Malaysia.

[00:31:12]We're going to go to Jasm who we've talked to in the past. Uh, can you explain Silat Finance?

[00:31:19]>> Thanks, Brandon. Thank you for the opportunity and good to see you again.

[00:31:22]Silial Finance means it is basically a platform that is a microl lending and we're focused specifically on Islamic uh pawn shop lending. So the main issue is that typically for uh porn shops it's a 24% peranom interest rate that they charge and these are micro lending rates and what we're trying to do is because we can tokenize the porn receipts we're trying to bring in more liquidity into the space so that the interest rates will be reduced and that's that's basically what we're trying to do. We're trying to deliver affordable micro financing to over two thou 25,000 households in the area. Could be in in Malaysia or in other parts of Africa as well.

[00:32:02]>> Super exciting and I know you've been building in the Hideera ecosystem for a really long time. So, it's great to see that you're participating in these different hackathons. Uh certainly congratulations on the success you saw.

[00:32:14]Now, we're going to have a team that is hailing out of Mexico. We have Lewis who is going to run through the AI payment solution Ephesent. Lewis have at it.

[00:32:24]>> Hello everyone. My name is Lewis and together with my team we've been building at the intersection of AI biometrics and blockchain infrastructure now approximately for 5 years or so.

[00:32:35]Today we're presenting well here and we have a a small big problem. Less than 2% of cryp activity is actually used for real world payments. Wallets are still too complicated. on boarding is difficult and most users will never manage seat phrase safely. So we asked ourselves what if using blockchain felt as simple as looking at a camera and well FSM is an AI powered biometric payment platform built on hedra primarily that allows users to on board in seconds using only a selfie. Behind the scenes effic securely creates and manages to wallet infrastructure while keeping the experience extremely simple and mobile first. So we can pay the with your face and stable coins instantly split payments with friends and interact with the agents and and we've tested this across continents name it Bali, Mexico, Tokyo and now also in Korea actually this week I I had the opportunity to come here to Korea and I did some payments using it. So these characteristics are critical if blockchain technology is going to operate in high volume environments and emerging markets. We had the opportunity that beyond payments. So we are building this as a concept of invisible blockchain infrastructure and this becomes specially important across regions like Africa and Latin America where mobile first financial experiences are common and right now we're preparing real world pilots in Japan and Tokyo including global collaborations with Tokyo city one of the highest traffic entertainment venues in the world. So that is a future world building with efficient send on Hideera and thank you.

[00:34:14]>> That is fantastic. We know that Hideera is coming out with new payments and AI tools all the time. So it seems like you're going to be able to take advantage of a lot of that. All right.

[00:34:24]So now we're going to go to a team that's out of Egypt. It's great to see the participation from literally around the world. I know that we were looking at solving a lot of the problems we're seeing in Africa and they were having meetups in Africa and coaching and things like that, but we really had participation from all around the world and we're going to be going to Egypt next. Amir, can you tell us about Carbani Bank?

[00:34:49]>> Sure. Thanks, Brandon. Uh it's a pleasure to be here with you on the show and Carboni started with a vision of this continent and the global south needs a digital uh distributed financial institution that is able to serve the environment. So how can we make sure that we can solve for climate change and one of the main problems is renewable energy on production and consumption.

[00:35:16]How can you prove both? Usually what happened before was everyone was focused on improving the production of the renewable energy and that used to happen in a manual way and the consumption side wasn't much looked at until recently when the the regulatory markets or the regulators across Europe and the states and even the GXG protocol started demanding a more robust methodology. So came in the hourly matching came in the same grid or on uh grid or physical connection requirements under the CBA for example and and that was a a real issue for a lot of people who are using or um consuming renewables but are not able to prove it in the way that is required. That was one problem. The other problem was now if we tokenize such attributes or certificates we're able to build smart contracts for the PPAs um and then the idea was is it just to prove the consumption uh and production or it can also be used and leveraged in other ways. Things like when tokenizing can you build insurance for renewable energy on top of that? and you do uh other services for collateralizing the actual uh tokens.

[00:36:41]This is what we wanted to do and we believe that by tokenizing both the production and consumption, we're able to enable the scaling of renewables across the global and south because right now it's needed in a compliance markets.

[00:36:59]>> What we've seen with Hideera is Wes and and the team that he's built around him we really have a full ecosystem, a full suite of products when it comes to regenerative finance on Hideera. So I think you were working in an area that is going to have a lot of success going forward because a lot of the other parts and pieces have already been built. So congratulations on what you've built.

[00:37:21]Now we're going to go to the final winner, the overall hackathon winner. We have Olu. He is coming out of Nigeria.

[00:37:29]He's going to explain Green Africa.

[00:37:31]>> Thank you, brother. I'm really excited to be here. We also like really happy to be one of the winners of the Aaton. So what we are doing with Green Africa is we're trying to turn recycling into a fun activity that people will be incentivized to do. Right? So with green Africa what what we did was we we built Nigerian first smart bin that rewards recycler with air time and data. Right?

[00:37:57]And what we did was uh instead of doing going the routes that most people do which is basically trying to ship from China what we did was we designed and built our own custommade uh reverse vending machine which is about 100% cheaper than shipping it in u and the way we achieved that is basically we took a Raspberry Pi with a tablet with a screen and then we we installed our own onboard AI with Python and what it does is basically when recycle class, they create an account and what that what that would do is it would basically create an Adera account for them on chain, right? And and the reason why we do that is because we're trying to be able to verify recyclers and we're trying to able to also measure I'm recycling across chain. Once they create their accounts, they basically put in the PE bottles, right? Our AI would see if the PEP is actual PEP and it's not bottles and then it rewards them per point based on their recycling, right?

[00:38:54]And automatically air time and data is credited to them on chain. Um and we're able to partner with some platforms telecom platforms in order to be able to um perform this rewards and automatically air time or data which is usable is connected to the user um and it's verifiable on chain. Right at the moment we have one prototype that's been built and it's already been operating slowly and better version at the gym.

[00:39:17]Right? So what we're trying to do is we're deploying this to a lot of places where there a lot of um food activities like um gym uh malls, host um public center basically. So that that's what we're building with green Africa.

[00:39:30]>> Very impressive. We also have Emanuel with your team as well. Is there anything else you'd like to add?

[00:39:35]>> So we are going to be doing we have already done some partnerships. We've integrated some VTU service providers like MTN Globe most network providers.

[00:39:44]Then we've also partnered with an NGO here basically do a lot of like um outreach. So we are going to be leveraging a lot of their infrastructure as well to reach out to people who join us and for investment as well and grants.

[00:39:59]>> Very impressive. I love what everybody has built here. Congratulations on the success you've seen so far. But we're really excited about the success that's going to be coming once you bring your products to market. So once you've brought them to market, I want to make sure to have you guys back and and you can explain everything to us again. Well done. In addition to the African hackathon, there was also the Apex hackathon. It was the last one in a series of three hackathons that were put on by Hashgraph. They also had some great winners. We'll start with the AI and agent track won by Space Lord, which brings the Hideera agent kit to life.

[00:40:32]It's an open-source AI powered CLI that merges a wallet, exchange, and portfolio tracker into one local app, all driven through natural language by an OpenClaw agent. The system makes direct Saucer Swap V2 contract calls with no API or wallet UI layers in between, while deterministic safety limits keep the agents in readonly mode. The winner in DeFi and tokenization was catch, which brings fishing quotas on graph. It's a peer-to-peer marketplace for Noah individual fishing quota shares, turning legal rights to fisheries into HTS NFTts on Hideera. Today's broker-driven system is slow, opaque, and expensive. Catch lets permit holders buy, sell, and seasonally lease quotas directly through smart contracts with instant settlement and transparent pricing. Honestly, fishing quotas are all about conservation, so catch could have easily gone under refi. Speaking of sustainability, that track winner was Cabbis, who's bringing green bonds on graph with the first hybrid model combining green bonds and sustainability linked bonds. Built through Hideera's asset tokenization studio, the platform uses Hideera's Guardian and verifiable credentials to create an auditable compliance chain that helps to prevent greenwashing. If issuers miss sustainability targets, coupon penalties are automatically triggered, aligning financial incentives directly with real world environmental impact. Next in the open track, Calum network brings identity communication and payments fully onto the Hideera network. Every user receives a wallet-based identity with a soulbound decentralized identity NFT while messages are endtoend encrypted and consensus timestamped through the Hideera consensus service.

[00:42:11]The payments run through TMUSD on HTS with MPC custody alongside built-in KYC organizational management notifications and enterprisegrade infrastructure designed for real world deployment. And finally, we have the legacy track where MedCQ Quest is gamifying Hideera DeFi by turning swaps, staking, and lending into verifiable onchain quests. Users complete actions on Saucer Swap and Bonso while the platform automatically verifies activity through the mirror node and rewards users with MedQ tokens and badge NFTts. New Apex features include partner studio, upgraded UIUX, escrow campaign contracts using USDC, and fully automated verification. Now, if you want some more information about the winners from the Apex hackathon, you can go check out Ryan Solomon's video.

[00:42:57]He did the closing ceremonies for that.

[00:42:59]Did a really good job. I actually have some highlights here with the teams talking about Hideera.

[00:43:05]>> That entire application layer and user interface layer can just be custom built to you. Now >> when I walk into a room in a with a central bank or with a regulator and I say I'm building a communication layer and I'm using blockchain payment rails.

[00:43:19]The first question I get is what network IBM Google do telecom etc. This is a conversation that ends with a follow-up meeting.

[00:43:28]>> I can foresee this coming. there's going to be a run on Hideera or you know one of these chains soon.

[00:43:33]>> The thing that excites me about Guardian is the interoperability potential for reporting automated uh reporting in a way that I I don't think is really uh possible on other blockchains.

[00:43:44]>> I just want to give some props to Hideera but definitely is one of the very few few ecosystems that is primarily focused on genuine business applications. Um, as far as developing on Hyera, I come from a background of both writing Solidity and writing applications on Cosmos. Writing apps on Hideera native with the Golang SDK as well as EVM applications on Hideera pretty smooth. I think it strikes a good balance with the HTS, you know, complementing the EVM. Next, for those that are interested in the intersection of Hideera and AI, there's a new bounty campaign that's ongoing. Now, looking at this, you may be thinking, "It looks like it wrapped up yesterday." And that would be right, but there's going to be a spin up of a new bounty program every Monday for the next month. Sticking with AI, earlier this week, there was an announcement of a major upgrade to the Hideera agent kit, and it's focusing on two things: modularity and control.

[00:44:41]Developers can now install only the components they actually need instead of pulling in a massive monolithic package.

[00:44:48]While new hooks and policy systems give AI agents programmable guard rails for realworld ongraph actions, version 4 introduces life cyclebased controls that let developers inspect, limit, modify, or completely block agent behavior before and after transaction execution.

[00:45:05]That means enforcing spend limits, address allow lists, audit logging, compliance checks, and deterministic execution for AIdriven payments and ongraph automation. The update also fully modularizes the SDK under new hashgraph packages, adds explicit plug-in imports, expands thirdparty integrations like chain link, pith, and terminal 3, and introduces support for Google's ADK framework and Gemini powered agents. The announcement also confirmed support for X42 payments, pushing further into machine to- machine payments and agent commerce infrastructure. All right, getting into the fun stuff. I saw something from Wild Tigers. I have to get some more information on it, but it looks like they might have a game coming down the line. From what I've seen, it looks like it's a Super Mario style game. And of course, everyone loves Mario. Also, if anybody is a collector of the McLaren Racing NFTts, there's one out for both the F1 and for the Indie Car race. So, check those out as well. All right, and with that, we'll jump into the crypto and HAR markets. Bitcoin is down 2% on the day and 4% on the week to 76 grand.

[00:46:08]H bar is following that downtrend off 2% on the day and 5% on the week to between 8.8 and 8.9 cents. We're still very much rangebound. So there's really not that much to talk about. We did have a few million H bar added to the HBR ETF this week. So that is constructive. So looking forward to next week as far as spaces on Monday at 3 p.m. Eastern.

[00:46:32]We're going to do the space with meme job.f fun. that is on all things Hideera DeFi at 300 p.m. Eastern on Monday. And then on Thursday, we have a space at 11:00 a.m. It's an open mic for anybody that wants to talk about anything about Hideair. So, you're more than welcome to jump on that one as well. It's hosted by new. He used to be with the Cabila team.

[00:46:52]Uh now he's doing that from his personal account. As far as interviews, I'm going to get Jay Cool from the Hashgraph team.

[00:46:58]He has a few things he wants to go over.

[00:47:00]Also going to talk to the Dream Bay team, figure out what they're building and what their roadmap looks like going forward. I'm going to get Brady on to do a DeFi corner segment. It's not going to be a full episode, but I want to get his thoughts on how things are going on our DeFi front. I am going to try to get Rob on for next week. I'm not sure if we're going to get into questions or I know the full report came out on Project Acasia, so he might have some thoughts around that. And I've got a few more things in the hopper, but I'm not sure exactly what we're going to get to. It is going to be a short week next week.

[00:47:33]I'm going to be doing the show on Thursday. Uh I'm doing some business down in Orlando. It does have to do with Hideera. I'm going to truck on down there. Not really ready to talk about that quite yet, but I am excited about what we're working on. That's pretty much all we have. We'll see you guys next week.