This video presents a community discussion on strategic crypto investment, where a community member shares his dilemma of selling his property to invest £300,000 in crypto (Ethereum and PulseChain) versus maintaining his current situation. The discussion emphasizes that health is the foundation of all wealth, as no amount of money matters if one is not physically or mentally healthy to enjoy it. The community advocates for a balanced approach: investing in oneself through health treatments and personal development, while also allocating capital to defensive assets like Ethereum and aggressive opportunities like PulseChain. The discussion highlights the importance of community support, accountability, and long-term thinking in investment decisions, noting that successful investing requires taking calculated risks and maintaining conviction through market cycles.
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Added:I don't know whether I should even mention it here, but because I'm relatively anonymous, I can probably talk about it. And because none of you guys have a vested interest in in sort of what, you know, what happens with me personally, like I I have this sort of dilemma, which I want non-financial advice on. Um, where like I've always been I've always been looking to like buy a property in sort of my like a like a flat near where I live. And I've been spending about the last 4 months sort of um uh you know um looking for one. And I there was about five of them that I had investigated quite thoroughly. And all five of them basically they were the no goes because either a they were people were going to build like giant towers in front of them to completely block the view off and the guys who wanted to sell it were like charging premium prices as if the view was going to stay.
or they were charging prices which didn't match the market and the bank would say, "Oh, you know, you know, you I know that you want us the the vendor wants to sell it for x amount, but um but you know, the bank's not going to value it that much and we won't lend you as much money to to to actually buy it because we like we like the vendor wants 1.3 million, but the bank values it at 1 million. So, we're only going to lend you like 700K and you don't have another half a million dollars in cash lying around as the equity part. So, like I'm I actually put my house up to sale to actually put um to put to buy a new place. And then by the time I've done all the investigations, I found out that this particular all the places I looked at, they're all like essentially garbage. So, it's gone to the stage where I'm thinking, [ __ ] like after if if I sell my house, basically, I'll have around like the equivalent of about £300,000 in equity left. And I'm thinking to myself as an as an as a left field idea, can't I just simply deploy 250K into Ethereum and then the other 50k into like PI PulseChain instead of actually buying a new property or something? Might as well just deploy that. If I I said to myself, if my conviction is that high about crypto, is your conviction high enough to put six digits in straight like without and hold for the next two years. And I'm seriously considering that. I don't think I'd put like 400 grand into Vid eye. Like if I tried to do that, then I'll just get dumped on. But but like in Ethereum, maybe a 8020 split into Ethereum and then PulseChain and then you know like 10 grand to PI or something like that might actually make sense. Um, yeah, and I I do note that the property market in Australia, like I looked at it, it's like >> like it's basically entering a bare market, like holding my house, it cost me around £20,000 um in holding costs, like you know, like after, you know, after all the tax benefits, it's literally costing me like in terms of cash flow, 20 grand to hold that property. and in a flat market where I'll probably have to wait like 2 or 3 years for it to recover and then if you exit you have to pay like 2% you have to pay 2% sales commission to get out you pay 2% slippage to get out and if you buy the next property you pay another 5% slippage to get in. So, I'm really like thinking about it, but but the the mommy side of me says, "Oh, you know, houses are safe. Like, they don't go to zero like Bitcoin. Like, why are you making the most insanely stupid decision in your life?" And I'm like I I Yeah, it's been hard for me to sleep just thinking about it like of what to do even though I haven't actually done anything yet. So, I don't know. Like I'm just like I feel like in the bottom of my heart I know that Ethereum could probably go up to say six or seven grand eventually in like five or six years.
>> Yeah.
>> And maybe PI like if I put 10 grand into PI or even five grand into PI five grand into PI is going to make you a millionaire like if it actually pegs or at least you'll make a 20x if it goes up to like 10 cents. So I'm just I don't know like I'm sorry I'm sort of rambling but I can't talk to anyone else about it. I can't talk to my work colleagues.
I can't talk to a therapist even because they just don't understand like investing in crypto. So, I don't know.
I'm just sorry I'm being a bit of a I I sound selfish sort of rambling on about this, but I'm just I just have no one to talk to basically about this at all.
That that's exactly why >> that's I keep saying it voices matter and at one point or another >> the the world is going to get a very if this peg whe there's pegs or it doesn't but >> if it does if it does >> everything is going to change in in everybody's life and >> and I think pockets of us are going to rely on each other rather a lot turn to us for advice and experience and and outcomes in other parts of the world how did you manage this how did you do what I'm stuck with this. How do I >> We're going to need one another because it becomes a very different community postg, right? This is our community.
>> Yeah. I I appreciate your like not judging me for, you know, voicing my I guess being vulnerable, whatever you want to call it, blah blah blah. I guess I guess my question is if you got given £300 in >> in cash, right? Like What would your crypto what would your allocation be if you're not buying real estate? Would you would you go like 90% Ethereum, 10% PEI or something? Like how would you I'm not going to hold you to it. I'm just sort of I'm just doing a pop survey. Like what what sort of >> sort of indicative I mean you don't even have to do that but I'm just wondering like what would you do? I'm thinking like 80% 80% Ethereum 10% PI 10% core coins or something like or 85% >> Ethereum 5% PI 10% >> you know core pulse chain you know the the five Richard Hart tokens divided by five 2% each or something that's sort of my my sort of um allocation I mean I I I I'm not I'm really convicted about PI but I'm not so convicted. I throw 300 grain. [laughter] Not that, you know, maybe I'm maybe I'm cowardly, but that's I'm not that sort of uh, you know, brave to do that.
>> Are you in Are you in good uh physical health? Do you need like >> I am. The thing is, the the thing is that right now I fold a I fold a house and I've got like a mortgage, which to pay that mortgage off, I need to pay like 70% of my paycheck to to do that.
Like literally, like if I get paid £10,000 if I get paid £5,000 a month, >> literally four £3,500 is going straight into my mortgage before a single dollar gets to be touched by me in terms of paying rent, food, and everything. And like my my buffer like if I lose my job, I have literally two months of living expenses and then that's it. I run out of money. So it's there is a bit of a uh cash sort of buffer which comes with that. So my buffer is like razor thin because um because I [clears throat] got a divorce. So I I I had to mortgage myself to the hilt to keep the house. So that's sort of like that's sort of a factor like it does free me up um a lot.
But the thing with high leverage is that if you make if the if the house goes up in value a lot then your return on equity is quite high because it gets leveraged like um five times because it's a 20% loan. So there is sort of a cash flow thing. Like I'm like I'm like literally one financial crisis away from having to sell the house anyway. So like maybe what I might do I'm thinking about is if I got £300,000 I would take maybe £80,000 and just leave it in defense like as a defense fund and not and just have cash parked in like a term deposit.
I don't know what they call it in the UK. the thing that you just earn money on in the bank and then the other 240k I'd allocate like 40k into PulseChain and 200k into Ethereum or something or something like that. That's sort of that's sort of what's in my mind um at the moment. I just wanted to test is that a crazy idea basically.
>> Um no question it's not a crazy idea.
Are you are you over 40?
>> I just turned 40 this year.
>> All right.
If it were if it were me, >> I go 50 just hypotheticals here. I go 50% eat.
>> Uh I do 20% impulse. I'd throw 10% into die and the other 20%.
>> I'd put it into my health into my health.
>> I'd look at stem cell therapy >> because none of this none of this m none of this matters if you're not around to enjoy it.
>> And >> yeah, that's true. Although I pray that PI PI pegs to a dollar or Ethereum goes to like six grand in less than less than 25 years because I plan on retiring at 65. I pray that Ethereum goes to like 8K in less than less than 20 years. Thank you very much. I think the stock market if I think the stock market would do more than 2x in like 25 years or something or or 4x in 25 years. But um >> yeah, like yeah, I mean with the you with I will say that with the extra cash flow I have, I will put a lot of I I'll probably go and see a personal trainer like three times a week or something.
>> I think that's what I'll definitely do like >> like just invest in personal training and you know getting Cairo treatment and getting medical exams every six months and stuff like that. I think that's sort of going to be my sort of um I guess investment and then maybe probably a bit more money and put it into a therapist like a counselor or a a mental health sort of person who can help me sort of through life. Maybe that's something which I would consider. You are the you are the sole recipient of all of this.
And if your health your health is your wealth. Like I had >> I I spent the last part of 2023 2023 in a hospice uh visiting my grandfather and it was just surreal because I was in my like what was 40 I was 40ome and he was 99. So we had these amazing conversations. You can imagine like a u like two two mates rather than a grandchild and grandfather. But um there's so much stuff he told me he wish he had done and it all boiled down to health and just well-being. He wish he'd done more. But he was cool with it. He was cool with it. He was cool with going out. No, he was like amazing. But uh he wished he could serious. Well, he made it to 99. That's >> I mean, I don't even know if I mean, if my health was not like really good, I don't even know if I want to live to 99.
>> Like, if I had [ __ ] health, I I'd be wondering why even why I'm bothering to be here. Um, >> well, he he set me on a bit of a a different, you know, all that those months with him. Uh, it set me on a bit of a different path and I'm and I'm definitely more now >> when we talk about investment or what and what to do. Uh yeah, >> I would be far more aligned with working on the on myself, putting myself as my body as a priority and my body and mind before I actually look at the uh the reality outside my my mind, you know.
Um, >> yeah, >> like on on on Monday or Tuesday, I t Yeah, Tuesday, I think it was, I I found myself in a hyperbaric chamber for an hour and a half.
>> And it's just one of the cool what what do you do with a hyperbaric chamber?
Like, what is it? What's a what is what is it and what is it supposed to help you with? Okay. So for anyone with injury, anyone in recovery from anything like from the people with scars, people with breathing difficulties, people with uh I was in there with someone who has >> she's 20 years old. This this lady was 20 years old and she's wrecked from from um from vaccine.
>> That's her take. vaccine damage >> and uh she's got all these problems and uh I think it's like what they call I think it's what was being touted at the time as long CO I am no expert I have no clue about it >> oh yeah that Monica yeah >> yeah and um she's like chronic fatigue she has to sleep for like 4 hours after going for a walk for 10 minutes and she's her life is just wrecked >> yeah so she's been doing this that's what she's in there >> but I'm in there for um asthma related stuff like I had a I had a bit of a bad time 10 years ago >> and I paid for it. I paid for it with my health. Um I also smoked as well which is so stupid.
>> Oh yeah, that's Yeah, that doesn't help.
Yeah.
>> I just did a session with this uh you go in and it um it changes the atmosphere three uh 3x on the atmosph atmospheric pressure.
>> Oh wow.
>> And then you then you have to breathe oxygen for an hour and a half. And it was like super uncomfortable at the start. But uh >> I said to myself, reassess in a couple of days. And here I am. I was just talking to my brother on the phone. I said, "Bro, like I definitely feel a benefit. Like I haven't uh I haven't used the inhaler for two days. I didn't feel the need to >> and when I'm I feel like when I breathe in, I just feel a marketked difference.
So I'm like, "Yeah, I have to continue this. This is actually really good." So um my voice is a bit horsearo from breathing oxygen but um I do feel a net benefit. So this whole this whole thing about looking after myself first >> and having just the experience of being around my grandfather and hearing his stories about health like yep this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to put myself first. So when I say you know put some of that put some of that equity >> into you and you alone >> I think that's a great investment you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a good point. I mean, like at at the very simplistic like Dumbo level, I mean, if you're not mentally healthy or physically healthy, you'll either cheat your bags because you're just mentally weak and you can't hold or you'll cheat your bags because there's a health problem, >> basically.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, you can't I don't think you can I don't honestly think you can't hold crypto through these kind of conditions without having a a a reasonably decent degree of mental and physical health.
Like yes, >> you just can't. It just makes it like there's a huge difference. Like I know it sounds like a broken record and it sounds really super duper obvious, but >> like yeah.
Um >> but it's good when when people speak about it though, T because a lot of people type about it and it's so much is lost in translation. When you hear a voice from somewhere else in the world tell you these things that we we assume are like broken record conversations, >> they really are not. When you hear it from another person's voice, from their own mind, in their own spirit, it's it's super powerful. The the ears the the ears the ears hear it and it's such a powerful thing, you know. That's why voices matter.
>> Yeah. No, I appreciate that. Yeah. So So yeah. So unfortunately for me like last last couple of nights I've just like I've been sleep I I slept for like 5 hours trying to wrestle through like should I sell or shouldn't I sell and then I just I think I just got tired. I just I just got tired of thinking about it and I just fell asleep. But >> like it just got to the point where um where like a couple of days ago I had another property just say to me, "Oh, you know, like the bank said, oh, you know, we your your that property is overvalued." I mean, not over, they're asking for too much, etc., etc. And I'm like, like, yeah. Anyway, it was just I I just the the feeling was of just exhaustion, I think. I I feel I I know I now understand why people capitulate on their crypto bags at minus 90%. I I can actually viscerally feel why people would do that. And I don't I don't laugh at people who cheat at minus 90% now because I felt it myself that kind of feeling like with crypto I never really felt that because I'm like yeah 90% is part of the game blah blah blah but I wasn't mentally prepared with all the all the stuff which I found out about these properties and the level of research and asking stupid questions and making phone calls and looking and using clawed AI to look to simulate like buildings and and draw maps. where development sites are and stuff like that. It It's so tiring. It is so tiring to do. So anyway, thank you. I thank you for listening to my TED talk. Um and I don't know, maybe this this this uh voice chat is becoming somewhat of a counseling session. I apologize for that. Maybe what we're talking about now might be helpful for someone who's listening to this recording and actually is going through the same thing as me. I hope.
>> Um what we're here for.
>> Yeah. I appreciate the >> the uh >> Yeah. Tenner, I just had to I sorry, I just wanted to catch you before we while we're on the subject. Um, obviously I was listening to you in Osprey and um I've got quite a lot to say on this. So, I'll be honest with you, mate. I have spent tens of thousands, literally tens of thousands, probably. I mean, if I started, I used to tally it up because it was like a I used to wear it like a medal when I eventually like came to a point where I was thinking, okay, I'm just going to get help. And what I mean by get help is I mean everything like all the therapists, all the therapy you can think of like physical therapy, spiritual therapy. Um I found something that works for me which I'll you know I'll talk to I'll I'll send you a a DM um about it because >> because I think it'll be I think it'll be beneficial.
>> Um and yeah, you know, there there are things like I'm with Osprey, mate. Like I I 100% like if you can't if you don't have any health, if you're I know it sounds blunt, but if you're not alive, you can't spend anything and none of this matters and it's all been a waste of [ __ ] time anyway. Like if you want to go down that road, like you know what I mean? Like if you run all the way down that that doomer in your mind, it's like, well, it all comes back to health.
Like health is wealth. Osprey Osprey nailed it. And like in your example, dude, you like the I'll just just call it what it is because I like I'll be I'm just going to say it like how how I see it because I'm and I say this with nothing but love, >> but dude, you're in such a good position. You don't even realize how good a position you're in. like most people do not have $300,000 um any you know Canadian Australian GBP US dollars to to kick around with.
You're in such a good position and I know it doesn't feel like that because you have all this kind of like mental anguish or frustration around the business model that you're in. All you've done is just probably realize now you've picked the wrong vehicle. But $300,000 isn't an incredible amount of money, like by any man's standard. Don't listen to the [ __ ] that you hear out there when people say, "Oh, that's not a lot of money, blah blah blah blah." It might not feel like that because you've put so much time and effort into it. But here's the thing. You take that $300,000 and you can become a treasury company, right? You can do a sailor. You could take 300,000, you can say, "Right, I'm going to put $100,000 in Bitcoin, right? Just as an example, I'm just going to give you an example.
Like this is what I would do personally.
I would do this.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I know. I wouldn't hold you to it. Like I'm I'm I'm a big enough boy to under to take responsibility for my own investment. Yes.
>> But I'd put $100,000 in Bitcoin. I'd put 50,000 in in Pulse Chain.
I'd put 50,000 into my own like health and well-being. Like literally like I'd spend the whole lot. I'd spend it all on on self-development. I'd read books. I'd do Audible. I'd set schedules. I'd take some time off. I' I'd in like I'd do all the massage therapists going, all the treatments going in. Like and I'd do all the the cryogenic, the stem cell therapy, the red light therapy. I'd go all in, mate. I'd just go all in and do do all of it because here's the thing, right? You're going to benefit so much from that $50,000 going into yourself and in you're investing in yourself, right? You ask any millionaire, any billionaire on this planet, they're all saying the same thing. They spend they they don't put a limit on how much money they're putting into themselves because you're you're going to benefit in so many ways mentally that you will naturally get into a frame of mind where you will feel so good and think so positively that you'll pull more money in. You'll pull more money into your life. You'll think >> that's Yeah. Yeah. So, so you think, "Oh, I'm I'm you in your mind, you might think, oh, I'm wasting 50k." But you're not because that could lead you to your next 500k because you'll develop as a spiritual being, right? You'll become a better human, a better person, a better count, a better father, brother, son.
You'll just become better in all your dynamics in your life.
>> And then and then that will naturally pull in this thing because people will notice. And then you you could pull in your next business partner because they'll just like your energy. They'll be like, "What are you doing?" You might meet them at a you might even meet them at a treatment place. You know what I'm saying? Like you might go some, >> you know, um and and so I'd do that and then the last 100k I'd do what you said, which was the defensive, right? Although you're playing it hugely defensive on Bitcoin anyway. You could put 100k >> nothing in Bitcoin. I'm just going to put it into Ethereum as my first sort of >> Well, that's fine. I mean I mean that you know that's the that's the John what's his name? The something Lee Charlie Lee or John Lee. I can't remember. They're all the same now. Um >> Tom Lee, I think.
>> Tom Lee. Yeah. So Tom Lee like you basically just pull a Tom Lee and you and you >> but you just you just treat yourself as a treasury company right like Michael Sailor Tom Lee they all they all see themselves as treasury companies they don't see themselves as individuals anymore you just create some laws structure it like you know use that use AI keep it simple like use AI to structure like how do I turn myself into a treasury company and act like a bank or act like a business and run it like a business and and and can control that investment. And you can buy the the best wallet you've got. You know, you can sign up, you know, you get an Ethereum wallet. I mean, a top of the range Treasure Safe Sele, right? You know, like a proper $250 bad boy, >> best rated, highest.
>> You get like four of them or something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Just split up 25K in four different locations. Remember your 25th 26th pass phrase, you [ __ ] boom, you're off to the races. You just you just buy it and hold it. And you you're it's the same way you would do with your house, but you ain't got any of the stress and all the [ __ ] that comes with the houses, mate. There's just so much [ __ ] that comes with it.
>> Somi said, "Look, I mean, the one thing I learned from listening to Somi for many years, um the with the two active brain cells that I have left after too much overthinking, like there is going to be no leverage basically. Whereas with the house, it's just the leverage.
It wasn't the actual house. It was the it was the leverage which was killing me. It was like you have to stay in this job. you have to live in this country.
It was it was the leverage. It's the leverage that kills you. It's the leverage and the unexpected expenses.
>> Well, this is it, mate.
>> You just hold you just hold it >> and that's it. Like you you can you can eat ramen and you can be unemployed and you're not forced to sell basically.
>> That's right. Yeah. Because well the goal is freedom, right?
>> Like the goal is freedom. Like it's always been freedom. Like everyone's here for different reasons, but >> but you want financial freedom. You want to feel spiritually free. You want to feel mentally free psychologically. You want to wake up one day and love your life. You don't want to feel like you're a prison in your own life. Do you know what I mean? Cuz all of these things like mortgage, right? If mortgage by definition is French for contract until death, >> unto death. Yeah. Promise unto death.
>> Yeah. So, so you know, it's like >> Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a scam, mate.
It's a scam. And what it is is you're creating what you're doing is you're you're you're raising the the the prison walls in your own life, right? A lot of the time, a lot of the time you are better off having a 100 grand. You could be you could have 100k in Bitcoin, right? And you have a backpack and a laptop and you have nothing else to your name and you've got your uh your uh your four devices in four different locations around the world and you'll feel like a million dollars. You'll feel like I can go anywhere and do anything and be anything because you don't have all this [ __ ] dragging you back in your head like I've got I've got to do this, I've got to do that, I've got to do I'm not saying run away from your responsibilities, but I'm saying >> no, >> you know, you can pack up your life and take your family and go and do what you want to do and homeschool them and and do your you know what I mean? Like there's no limits. You're in a good position. That's what I'm saying. So, but you you'll naturally, bro, when Ethereum goes to 220K, which it will, which it is going to go to, you're going to be sitting on such a decent bag. You be like, "Fuck, [ __ ] I did that." You know, I haven't I'm not I'm no longer stuck in that house in in wherever I am and having to deal all the [ __ ] and like having to force myself to go to work to get money to pay for the right to have a house. It's just all [ __ ] mate, honestly.
>> Um, so I'd just I'd totally get out of that. Um, and remember also I'm not anti-real estate. I'm just saying in your specific circumstances that's what I would do because real estate in the right location, right, is is is an amazing opportunity. You know what I mean? Cuz there are but it's like the UK, right? The UK is full of all these encumbering laws and property taxes and there's this thing called stamp duty which you probably heard of is an absolute [ __ ] scam.
>> You got to pay >> you got to pay 20% to the government just for the right to buy a house. It's just like go away. Do you know what I mean?
>> Yeah. It's Yeah. It's like like even if I don't pay any capital gains tax, it's like it's literally like from a for a round trip, >> it's a minimum of of of 6 and a half% for a round trip. You get 2% on the way out and another 4% on the way in. That's like the minimum. Like the way that the stamp duty is calculated, you just >> you're like, "What the if the government's even going to put chuck land tax on you and all that stuff?" Like, I don't even I don't even started thinking about that.
>> Well, this is it, mate. I mean, this is the thing. This these are the things you're It sounds to me like you've already probably made the decision partially already in your mind, right?
Because I think you've got enough information, enough data.
>> Yeah. like consciously in my soul like in terms of having been in crypto for about five years now like I I kind of have a gut feeling of what's right but the the issue I have which is stopping me is like a lifetime's worth of conditioning psychological conditioning that houses are like risk-free in the sense that when I was a kid my parents they worked they worked like blue collar jobs like they were boomers who worked blue collar jobs and they we we grew up poor and They spent all the money that they could have spent sending me to a private school or teaching me sports and all that stuff that all went to houses.
So they ended up buying like four houses in Sydney and now they worked basically like as you know like garbage collectors and cleaners and they end up with like a $6 million property portfolio. They told me you got to study really hard and get a good job and you'll be able to or you'll end up like us. And I did that and like like I have a job. I'm earning like 150k pounds a year equivalent and I can barely afford one house which I'm struggling to pay the mortgage off.
>> How ironic is that?
>> Well, this is it, bro. It's like >> Yeah. Well, well, the thing is it worked for them. You know what I mean? It worked for them and they were only just telling you >> for me very well.
>> No, of course not. Now those those days are gone, mate. But that's the thing.
You've got to kind of we've all just got to you've got to accept it, you know?
That's just the way it is. Um and and and the only way out, I mean, crypto is a perfect example, right? Don't expect anybody else to know it. But here's the thing, right?
>> In order for you to be like a leader in your own life and to get it right, you have to take risk. There's no way around it. Like like do you know what I mean?
You like you're going to feel sick and right up until the point of the actual like signing the final contract to say it's sold and then you'll have this feeling of relief, dude. It's just it's like it's like the buildup to before you go somewhere that's like quite important. It's always like you get the butterflies and the nerves before you leave the house, but as soon as you're on the way, you just say, "Ah, [ __ ] it.
I'm on my way now." And it'll be the same with a stupidest financial decision. I like say personally 100k in ETH, right? Set yourself up as a treasury company, 50k into PulseChain, which is massive bags. As you said, you could do whatever ratio you want to do across PI and pulse chain cores. 50k into personal development, just ape the [ __ ] lot because your health is the number one thing on this planet. And then and then the remaining 100k you can do whatever you want with whatever you want. Like put it in high yield account or or or put it, you know, whatever you want, bro.
>> The the >> you're in a great position either way.
>> It's it's it's sort of just simply conditioning. It's it's deconditioning myself for a lifetime of thinking like my parents which is I think the the greatest sort of um challenge for me like the conditioning like watching them actually succeed like keeps from what they did and then looking at myself and going this is no longer how you how you play the game is I think that's probably what I'm working on quite hard right now I suspect so and I thank you for for at least being objective about it and you know I'm glad you fed this because you have no vested interest in, you know, how I do like >> how you do spend your money. Yeah, mate.
You're not trying to press me to sell or press me to buy. You're not my parents.
You're actually just saying this is my honest opinion.
>> Yeah. 100%.
>> But but here here's one thing to remember, bro. You'll only know if it's the right decision in hindsight. So, just remember that because you you'll be you'll be in analysis paralysis for as long as you it takes for you to take the leap and take the jump. But once you've, what I'm trying to say is once you've bought the ETH and you've given it enough time and you've, you know, you've started investing in yourself and you've bought your pulse chain bags and blah blah blah, it might take a year, it might take three, it might take five. It might even, you know, take 10, but only in that time will it'll probably take five to be honest. I'll be really honest because you'll know within 5 years because E and impulse trade and all that will be determined. But like what I'm saying is you'll know you'll know at some point between now and 5 years whether it was the right decision or not. And that's the only way life works mate. Like life only works forward. Like you have to chronologically move forward and then look back on what you've done.
>> You know what I'm saying?
>> You can see see the fourth dimension.
Unfortunately [laughter] >> I mean you can future >> well this is it. I mean you can postulate. you can look into the future and and have an ideal scene in your mind and say, "Okay, that's what I want life to look like." And you can aim for that.
You know, you're going to land somewhere in the right place because you've got 300K and that's a number. It's it's a mathematical number. So, you can do the math on it. So, you're kind of going to This is a really fun time for you, bro.
Like if I was you, I'd be really excited because you're in a position where you can literally put 100k in ETH and make that is massive bags at this between now and October, dude. Like you're setting yourself up to become a a super whale moving forward. And I'm not exaggerating it because you only have to look at the price of $2,000 now. Do you know what I mean? If you do a 10x on that, you're you're literally a million dollars liquid. Like you can seriously start making moves then. Do you know what I mean? So, >> it's interesting in the sense that it's happened now like like I don't if I did this in 20 like I was thinking about doing something similar to this in 2021 but I chose not to cuz I didn't know much about crypto at the time. I I feel as if doing it now is it's almost like a universe this is me being woo fufu. It's like the universe is telling me that now is a good time to actually if you want to ape like now is relatively good. I mean it could go to zero. could go, you know, down another 90% next year. I feel like there's enough.
>> I feel like the sentiment at the moment in crypto in general and especially in Pulse Chain, I might add, is right now is so bad. There's not much further down you can go really >> 100%. I feel personally >> just depends on how fast you can sell your house, right? Sell get the money out auction in in the first week of August. So >> Oh, so you're already you're already on your way. [laughter] You're you're know what was really funny was when you know how I talk about going blah blah blah you know agonizing about this you know you know playing shitty games in my head but when it came to actually acting like when my real estate agent says oh here's the marketing invoice here's the here's what you need to do to auction it blah blah blah this is what you need to do like when I when I made those decisions to put the house on auction and to list it on on the real estate websites and all that stuff It's almost like I was I had an out-of- body experience and it's like somebody else sort of possessed my body and I just did it without feeling any fear. I don't know what that is. Like it's almost like I slept slidwalked into doing that.
>> I just did it. Like jumping into the cold water without hesitation and I'm like >> yeah, what am I doing?
>> You probably intuit you probably intuitively knew mate that it was the right decision. Like there is there is there is you do get signal like that.
You know I'm saying like when you look back you know you know whether it's the right decision or not but there are times when you are you know you you do feel it in your gut like you do get a gut gut instinct thing is a real thing right so you are going to know whether it's the right thing or not like the same way you know sometimes sometimes you can do something and you know outright right from the tea off you know it's wrong but you do and you might do it anyway and regret it but you know when it's wrong like it's the same way when you know when it's right like if you feel if it's natural to you it's neutral you pro you probably in alignment with your own values. Do you know what I mean? Everyone's got their own values. So, like, >> you know, you're I think you're heading in the right direction, mate. You're asking the right questions. This is the time to do it, though. You're totally right. Like, you couldn't ask for a better position in terms of market because if somebody said to me, I can 100K at the top of 2021 or 100K now.
Obviously, in hindsight, we're like, yeah, of course. But you, but right now, it's sort of the bottom. But if you don't do it, there's an argument to be made that when we do go back up, you're going to be looking back going, "Oh, I wish I did." So like, you don't want to be in a position cuz like be being at the bottom and then being at the top has a different set of circumstances and outcomes that are not equal.
>> Like buying at the bottom is not equal to buying at the top obviously, but there's a different like psychological benefit as well. like buying near the bottom or close to it has a different trajectory because you feel different like when it comes back up. It's not like you're hoping and worrying and wanting when the market actually turns you're like >> [ __ ] me. Yeah. Like it builds confidence in yourself and you're like I know how to play this game. I can win.
>> Um so yeah, I I just I I'm fully I' and bro the safest thing you can do is to buy Ethereum like you know Yeah. Yeah. Defensive. That's the defensive asset. [laughter] Funnily enough, >> it is. Yeah. Yeah. And your attack asset is pulse chain, right? And there's nothing wrong with that because >> PI PI is like the ultimate attack asset basically. Contrary.
>> Yeah. And like you said, 5K 5K at these prices is still mega bags, mate. So, you're laughing, mate. You're laughing.
>> Yeah. It's um it's Yeah, it's just like um what was I going to say? Just I think in terms of just mentally just um I wonder mentally is it easier to handle sort of buying here with fear or is it easier to handle not buying and then see and go up 5x and going [ __ ] why didn't I buy am I the regret or deal with the fear [laughter] >> deal with something >> well this is it I mean it depends on how much it goes up right and it depends on if it's just a relief rally and it corrects back down or whatever but presumably you're not going to watch it just go up and up and up and up and up.
Some people do, but like it's so impossible to call because really just ask it really the question is where is the bottom? Like if you know where the bottom is, then you can clearly plot plot plot the chart up, right? But like >> you don't need to. You just got to you just got to get it in that zone. I mean, if you asked me if Pulse Chain has bottomed, I'd say yeah, it has.
>> Like I have no doubt about it. I have I have zero doubt in my mind that we bottom. Zero zero doubts.
>> Yeah. And I I called someone out for speaking absolutes today, but in my opinion, I absolutely believe that we've bottomed. And and and what I mean by that is we're in that range, right?
We're just, you know, it's not going to be like the wick, right? The same way Richard Hart shouldn't be held accountable for the 69K wick.
>> Yeah.
>> But but what I'm trying to say is how do we go much further? I mean, you're at minus 95 to 99%. Where are we going from here? Right.
>> Like where are we going? I mean, it's like we're at the bottom. like everyone's at the bottom. Everyone's wrecked. There's no you just can't, you know, you can't really go up from there.
You can't really not go up from here.
That's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah, exactly. Here's here's the this is sort of my thought about that and I I'll say this for the benefit of everyone else who's listening in this chat in case it might be of assistance is like maybe so let's just say this. Let's say you had hypothetically you had 100k.
Well, it's not really hypothetical for me, but let's say hypothetically. So if I think that Pulse Chain if I I assess in my mind that there are n there's a 90% chance that PulseChain has now bottomed what I would do is I would put $90,000 into Pulse Chain and then for the other 10,000 I will reserve in case it goes down further in case it's that 10% it goes down further. But if it goes up from there, at least I can say at the end of the day, look, I've already put 90,000 in. So I don't regret I've already, you know, allocated more. I've allocated enough so that I don't regret allocating not allocating more if it goes up.
>> Yeah, exactly. And the only other question I had was if you are going to allocate X dollars, 100 or whatever it is, right? Would you do it in one hit or would you do it weekly, daily, monthly, like over a time zone like like if you had like say you had 100K right now and you were going to buy whatever the allocation is, it doesn't even matter.
Would you just do it straight away tonight or would you sort of go this week, next week, the week after or would you do it like today, tomorrow, day after tomorrow or every two days? Like how would you sort of um personally like how would you DCA or would you lump sum it all basically?
>> Such a great question mate. Right. and and and I'll give you the exact example and and I fought I thought a lot first of all your point is such so valid because you said 90% 10% as an example whatever that ratio is right whether you're you know basically deploying and then >> yes >> yeah whether you're keeping whether you're deploying the the the deploying the capital and then keeping some dry powder basically what you're describing is what is known in fin in investing as playing both sides of the trade. So >> you're you're deploying but you're also staying in dry powder. Even Warren Buffett does the same thing, right? He's never 100% invested. Even when people say with a clickbait, right, that they that they say that he is, he's not. He's always got cash. He's always got reserve. That's how the billionaires work. They always keep cash on hand and they try and even when they're almost 90% invested, they're always fighting back to try and get back to the cash to try and build up their reserves for the next deal. Okay? So that's the way that the game works.
So my question to you is uh well so you saidif you said 100k. So this is a great great question because I've actually now I've been putting a lot of thought into this myself because I've just taken on which is Osprey mentioned I've just taken on a brand new full-time secondary job around my my main job just cuz I want to stack up as much cash as I can and that's why I haven't been as active and that's why um thankfully to Osprey agreed like we're going to start heading towards Fridays. I mean, Friday isn't my day. Like, I'm not off every Friday, but Friday is generally better for sentiment as well. So, it's like and Fridays I can try and get that off. But that's a side note anyway.
>> So, >> but the point is you asked me. So, I've actually locked in on these numbers and looked at it uh analytically like unemotionally and said, "Right, what's the best course of action?"
>> And I personally like weekly. And I'll explain why. Yeah. Because monthly is too unsporic. is too much can happen in a month. Way too much happens in crypto in a month in terms of prices. They can fluctuate and they can change and blah blah blah blah blah. If you do it any more than uh weekly, it becomes too much of a task because then you're doing admin. You've got to be like, "Oh [ __ ] it's Wednesday. I've got to do it again.
Oh, look, it's Saturday. I got to do it again." You know what I'm saying? It's like too much to sort of think about.
>> Yeah. Too much. Yeah. That's right. Too much effort management. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But if you say to yourself, "Right, it's Friday. Friday is when you break up for work and you've worked hard and you've done it. It's a reward to yourself and you can hit it on a Friday and go you can say DCA I've invested in myself boom you know bish bash bosch but I'll be honest if you're 100k >> the question really is like how much would I be investing and in my opinion this is what I would do okay if I had 100k today >> I' I'd go I'd go either go super aggressive or to be honest I know already know what I'd do anyway I'd do it I'd do I personally would do 2k K a month if I had it's such a good question because 100k is such a large amount of money right so like >> maybe 40% immediately and then 60% and drain it over like for two months or something I don't know I'm just making up or something >> well no yeah well here's the thing right if I wanted to be conservative and play it safely right which is not really how you would want to do it but if I did I'd want to I' I'd do two grand a week on a Friday for 25 week uh for 50 weeks which is over a 52 week period which is one year right so between now and October right but that's if you want to play it safely and that's presumably that's assuming that if I'm wrong about the cycle then the bare market will continue for longer okay so that covers you for the bare market being longer you know you're you're you're you're here for the long for one of the longest periods of time you're constant buy pressure you're going to be catching every low even if we do go you know lower which again I don't think is going to happen But let's just say that. So that'd be two grand a week.
>> You can spot if to be honest I would actually play it. If [snorts] I had 100k today, >> I would actually do four grand a week on a Friday across my four favorite assets or whatever it is. You you do the you can do the math, right? One week some weeks you won't be able to get every single one, right? One week might be PI, one week might be PLS, plsx, whatever you want. I'd do four grand every Friday for 25 weeks right through because that would take you right through to what we believe is the bottom which is October November.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Well, in fact, it would take you in fact it would actually take you for 6 months, wouldn't it? Because it would be 4 8 12 16 24. So you're 5 months from today. So you're looking at where mid July you're mid August September October November December. Yeah. So you're you're ending your DCAs mid November. Mid >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. August, September, October, November, mid December. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, by Christmas, you're fully positioned.
>> Yeah, >> I'd do that. I just [ __ ] I'd go hard, bro. I'm excited for you. You know, whether you use 100K or it's 50K, mate.
It's mega money at the bottom.
>> It's mega money cuz your your whale your whale level as we start. Cuz the thing is, you don't even need it to go back to alltime high. Let's be realistic here.
Anybody who's listening into the call as well, like if you're here right now, chances are we've you've been right through the mill. been battered by the market. We're all still here. We're all still believers. Any amount of money that you're putting into the market right now is going to be worth it because you only have to get to like a 10x or a 15x. If you're sitting on 100k, you can ride. I know I'm not trying to give you everyone's got their own goals, right?
>> I take responsibility for my decisions.
I'm not I'm not going to say it's Dr. Pega's fault. But all I'm all I'm saying, dude, is like it's not difficult to win the game with 100K.
>> Like that's really what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say like >> you can literally win the game. It depends on your goals, right? But if I want if I could accumulate a million dollars from from from um crypto, I'd be set for life.
>> Like I because I know what to do with it, right? I know I know I could just, you know, you put 200k into your self-development.
>> Asking for actual financial advice if I do make it to a million dollars, >> mate. mate. I mean I mean I mean let's just look at it from a conservative perspective. If you're immigrating and you go into somebody I use Dubai as an example because it's my favorite real estate market in the world right now. I got a lot of friends out there. I'm connect got connections. I'm I'm invested.
>> I've got you know Dubai is an example of a place where you can put in 100k and the the average apartment right now is going at between 15 and 20% per year yearon year. So you if you put a million dollars in, you're making 200 grand a year just in capital gains alone, right?
And it's 0% tax because obviously you'd be somebody who presumably you'd be moving, right? Moving out of your home country, relinquishing your your tax status.
>> And then you're on 200k just in capital gains. And that doesn't even include the passive income that you're getting from the rentals. So, if you're renting them out and you're making even on a conservative number of 5% that's 50k a year, but you're not it's not going to be 5%. It's going to be somewhere between six and seven.
>> It's like, >> yeah, >> just but you know what I'm saying? So, it depends on your goal because then you're at like 50 60k a year living off it. You can live a good life, a good comfortable life of you and your family on 50 60k a year. Plus, you got the silent capital gains of 200k building in the background. That's one example, right? That's one example of something that you could do on a million dollars.
And to get there, you can So, we fast, you know, reverse back to where we are now. You're at 100. You got 100K to spend. You only need a 10x. And I know it's easy to say, "Oh, you only need a 10x."
>> Like, you could play it, you could play it safe, right? You could do your Ethereum and you would get a 10x, but you got to increase your time frame. You got to think, right, I'm going to be >> I'm going to be 50 by the time I can cash out. If that's okay with you, then play the game the way that you know you're going to win. If you're gonna do pulse check, that's why it's great.
>> Absolutely.
>> If you're gonna do pulse chain, you know what I mean? Then you gota, you know, it's more risk, but I would position myself, you know, 66% in Ethereum, so you're playing defensively, and then 33% as aggressive as possible in PulseChain and position yourself over a 25e period and then by mid and then you can celebrate Christmas knowing I [ __ ] took a risk. I'm all in. Let's go.
>> Yeah. I mean I mean it's I guess I guess what sort of reassures me is that like to get to sack price in pls is 20x like hypothetically if you put [clears throat] 50k into pulse chain today if it goes back to sack price not even three times sack price not even the alltime high just sack price you you've turned it to a million bucks like >> yeah you made it interesting the crap it is right now >> that's what that's what I'm saying that's the opportunity The difficulty is, you know, it getting back to where it needs to be. But you don't need to worry about that because that's how markets turn around.
>> You ain't got to worry about how a market works. You just got to know that you're positioned correctly. Like Somi says it like the the secrets to markets is positioning. And he's not wrong. You have to just get in at the right time.
And of course, you don't never know what the right time is, but you can you can put it on a probabilist. If you're probabilistically thinking, you can kind of pinpoint where we are. You know, it's no we're no crypto is no like we're no stranger to a 99% dip. Everybody's gone through it. Even Richard Hart's been through it with Bitcoin and Ethereum. It didn't deviate him from the plan. He just held on. He just kept, you know, the hodddle, the when Lambo, the, you know, all of that came off the back of the people that were holding in 2013.
So, these cycles have have come come and gone and come and gone and come and gone. And you, it's not a new animal.
Like, it's been around for a while.
People think it's totally changed, but it's not. People are still going to DJ.
People are still going to buy Ethereum.
People are still going to buy Bitcoin.
>> People are still going to want to go for Cippher Punk and decentralized finance and go for PulseChain and want to move towards crypto and invest in themselves and their future and better their lives.
Like it's not going away. So all you have to do is position yourself ahead of the crowd ahead of time. That's the game. Game is just getting ahead getting in getting in before other people. And the beauty of it, as we said, is that when it when it becomes mainstream, which it will. I I believe it will. I believe the peg is coming and I believe that Richard is going to start sending the chart and he's going to come out the gate swinging. And when the macro starts turning around, which it already has, it already has start expanding and we get clarity over the mark over the over the over the line >> pretty um increasing.
>> There's only two there's only two paths in front of us when it comes to crypto.
There's either the fast lane or the slow lane. The slow lane is no no clarity act. The fast lane is the clarity act.
That's that's all there is to it. So either we get it in either we we we continue to buy in DCA until 2029 predicted alt season >> or clarity act passes he pegs it we get our season and we kick the whole thing off like that. That's the only two scenarios that I have in my mind now probabilistically. So like either way you you should be positioning yourself now because >> it's going to take time whatever way you look at it. Even if we went on the fast track, you're still you're still going to be settling into your new life within the next 5 years, right? So the times passing anyway, I think you're in a great position, bro. Like if I had 150K, I'll put 100K straight into E4 or Bitcoin and then 50K I'll play it aggressively and I'll be DCAing two grand a month every uh two grand a week every Friday, you know, and going to sleep sleep like a baby all night long and you'll be fine, bro. I mean, this yeah, this money is not including my salary, which I calculated like I I probably save around by not having a mortgage, not having a home loan. I think I I think I save around like two grand a fortnite in terms of interest. I don't have to pay the bank, which I'll probably use mostly aggressively, I'd say.
>> Dude, it's mega It's mega money, mate. I mean, it's mega money. I mean, people talk about money. It's like when you ain't got it, it's like >> Yeah, that's a big >> dude. Dude, it's soul. It's soul crushing. I mean, it's soul crushing.
Like, who wants to be spending two grand a month anyway, but then two grand on top for like for what? You know what I'm saying? Like there's so much overheads is the number one thing that kills people. You you mentioned it earlier when we you were chatting to Osprey at the beginning about the re You understand why people capitulate. It's true because people don't die because of the um like people don't die in the markets because of the sideways, right?
Of course, they die mostly out sideways, but it isn't because of the market. It's because they've got they've got a hole in their boat outside of the market. So, they got to pay for their overheads.
They got to pay for private schooling.
They got to uh keep, you know, keep the cars on the drive, keep going to work.
They're trapped in the job. They they want to change their life, but they can't. They miss a shift. They get sacked. They lose their income. They got into their savings. They got to sell a crypto. It just goes on and on and on and on, but it's usually an external factor. So, if you can if you can lower your income, right, you know, Gary Vaynerchuk, I don't know if you you know who Gary Vee is.
>> He's kind of like a public speaker.
I know who I mean. I mean, dude, he talks about it all the time like you've got to kind of you almost you have to humble yourself and like if you can lower your expenses, nobody wants to do it, dude. Nobody wants to lower their lifestyle. Nobody wants to sell their car. Nobody wants to pull their kids out of school. Nobody wants to say no to holidays and stop the fancy $5 a day coffees. Nobody wants to do that. Most people do not want to do that. But that is the answer. That is the key. You have to lower your expenses to as close to zero as possible and then turn your production level up like just through the roof. Like just turn it up. So if you can do overtime, pick up extra shifts, maybe your, you know, your partner gets an extra job, whatever you got to do, but you lower your expenses.
like you have to because the time to play the game aggressive like you can buy the fancy house and the fancy car and all the [ __ ] that you want to do and you know later that's like an after that's when you've got the money and you can splurge and you can buy the fancy stuff that's when you can do it but right now you should be playing the game as aggressive as possible and like I know it's not I know it's I know it's you know you're going to lose you know it's [ __ ] madness when you start talking this stuff to normies because they're like this is like totally not my perspective like I've you know I'm I'm used to the two up two pound mortgage car on the drives, blah blah. You know, they've bought the idea and I understand what you're saying about conditioning.
We've all had it. But there are there's mediocre and then there's winners, mate.
Like, if you want to be somebody who ends up winning and like and being the being the hero in your own family, in your own world, and being a hero to yourself, you have to take risk. There's no way around it. You have to think >> [ __ ] things that no one that people would normally not want to do.
>> That's the journey, mate.
>> That's the journey. Like for me, for me, I have not like for me the amount of sacrifice I've made, like I've I've not taken overseas holiday or even a holiday at all for like 4 years. I've sold my car. My boss is forcing me to take annual leave because I just don't take holidays. They actually work is actually forcing me to take time off because I have too much lead built up in the system. Um and like I guess yeah, like I'm just I know what you're talking about. I've done I've done what I need to do. I guess it's just a matter of waiting for, you know, just mentally.
Thank you guys for for, you know, being around and stuff. Totally.
>> Well, well, you know, we're all in the same boat. You got to remember like we're all we're all still here. We're all a lot of people are still buying and, >> you know, we're all still banking on on this and believing in a better a better future, right? So, you're not alone, mate. Like, we're in this together and I'm looking forward to hearing more. You know, when you you know, on one week you say, "I [ __ ] done it, boys. I've [ __ ] I've done it. I've got my money.
I'm I'm I'm all in. I'm [ __ ] Do you know what I mean? Like it's exciting.
It's exciting, dude. Should be exciting.
>> I think I think my DCA strategy will partly, especially for the lower liquidity coins, I'm probably going to DCA small amounts daily. So, I don't it doesn't there's no like thing on the chart which makes it look like, oh, Tennis Sands has done his DCA. You know, I think I probably two grand every week. [laughter] >> I'll see you on a Friday, brother.
Yeah, >> there he is.
>> Yeah, there he is. There he goes.
>> Neil will be [laughter] We'll be getting a magnifying glass out.
>> We're all wallet watching, right?
>> Analysis will be brutal.
>> Nine iron's going to be on you, mate.
It's going to be on you like a fly on [ __ ] bro. He's going to be like, "This ain't no pioneer."
>> It's going to be on pi. Everyone Everyone's going to think like I'm some kind kind of pie pioneer or something.
And I'm not. I'm just a I'm just a two brain cell D chen with a with with a hope and a dream >> mate. We all I think we all are, bro. We all are.
>> Anyway, sorry. Thank you. Thank you very much for um for talking through this. I hope that whoever listens to this recording will have some sort of you know help in terms of like similar situations and stuff that we've talked about and you know like in terms of capital management and self-investment.
I will say though that even if I lower my expenses, I'm not going to lower my expenses in terms of like getting personal training, going to the gym.
>> Oh, no. Don't put a limit on that, mate.
>> That that I'm not going to spend money on. I'm not going to actually spend money on that. I'm going to spend money on like, you know, eating Yi and going and eating McDonald's or something, you know, that kind of stuff that I'll save money on that.
>> Well, this is it, mate. This is it. I mean I mean like I say in the example that you gave of the 300k just as an example you know 100k in ETH 50k in the self-development but you could still lower your lifestyle do you know what I mean but you keep the 50k you just splurge on that do every treatment under the sun you keep your 50 because the thing is you you have to set rules ahead of time and don't break those promises with yourself because that's when you can run into trouble. So you do the, you know, you write out the plan, you execute on the plan, and you treat yourself like a business, you know, like if you, if you operated as a business, you would have to explain to payroll why that money is not going in the account that you said it was going to, and you'd be held accountable for it. So you kind of have to hold yourself accountable to that and just think of it as like pillar pillars of your life. Do you know what I mean?
you know, and and and put no limits on the health and development, you know, health and and wellness, of course, but just keep it within the 50k if that's what you set at the very beginning. And then, you know, you've got to kind of be a little bit autistic about it in that sense of what you can't break the rules, you know, because that's the only way you can operate as a business. You know, this is how these guys, these big b institutions and banks and everything, they get they accumulate their money and they get their they build up their wealth and then they hold on to it, right? If Black Rockck gave you an operating system and you could implement it and you put it through AI and you implemented it into your own life and you treated yourself as like a treasury company, you're now building for like 5 years, 10 years, 15 years ahead and it'll it'll not only that, it will help you deal with the dayto-day because every time you start feeling stressed or you get tired or you lose focus, you can just zoom out.
>> Just zoom out of your life and be like, "Oh, I'm just zooming out on the timeline. Oh, like I've got a 15 year plan. I'm good. I'm sweet. You just get you just stay focused. You hit the gym, you know, whatever whatever wellness it is that you're focusing on. You just do that and and you'll just be [ __ ] you'll be flying, mate. I'm excited for you. I think >> I add something.
>> I'll add something to it. Listening in it's brilliant listening in. This is exactly exactly why these VCs exist. It it future you. future you tenner can look back and realize that there was something something you invested which was free and it was your time and in doing so in this player v player environment we're all in there there is something very very particular about a community >> and yeah >> the word the word itself it can be done to death it really can sometimes I I deplore it in in some circumstances in life the fake community messaging But >> we we really are and as has been said a few times now in this conversation listening in >> we are in a a very unusual place. We we all share something in common and it's this uh we have a I think we have a very different take on risk than the normie >> and >> we're at some point I I truly believe we're going to be leaning well we're doing it right now. you're doing it and it's a great example, >> but we're leaning into one another's uh reasoning, experiences in order to improve ourselves, our understanding, and it maybe help with things we all carry, our confidence issues, our lack of knowledge, our awareness of certain things. Th this is the time we invest and money can't buy that.
>> You have to have you have to put the ego aside and you have to say this is what I can or cannot do. I need help understanding this. That is exactly why we're here. I fully expect to do it myself. Doc will do it himself. You will do it. Others listening in will do it.
Th this is exactly what we're here for.
So, in in these VCs, we put PvP aside.
This is a whole other thing. And I I think it's just a this has been a great example of that.
>> I guess it's better to have team PvP rather than one-on-one PvP, if you know what I mean.
>> Yeah. I like to call it Tvt. So, it's team VT.
Yeah, exactly. Bang on. And this is being recorded too, Tennis. So, there's been some awesome points raised. Good.
That's really good debate, really good conversation. So, if it's recorded, listen back to it. Make use of it. Yeah.
>> And and you know, let those points compound in your head over a couple of three days and it might help you with your decision- making even more, you know.
>> Yeah. No, I appreciate that. I think I think if you guys can do me one favor and just sort of like be like the ad hoc accountability people. um you know that would be helpful like hey have you followed your plan or you know how you going with it you know is anything you want to talk about I'm sure we'll do it maybe not maybe not in a VC per se but just sort of you know on the odd occasion perhaps >> I I don't know I'm not I'm I'm asking for that as a favor more than you know like an expectation of course just >> you got it yeah so we can >> our DMs are open mate >> yeah so so basically for those who have joined Essentially what to recap just so for everyone's benefit. So essentially what we're happening right now the market is in a state where there is asymmetric risk of asymmetric upside risk good risk right now where it is um probabilistically a good time to be super aggressive and in the per and for to be super aggressive um there needs to be uh obviously uh al think about how you're going to allocate your capital think about sort of um the frequency whether it's weekly or whatever, weekly is usually the best sort of strategy. Um, lower your expenses so that you have the maximum, you're giving yourself the maximum sort of thing that you you can do. Um, you know, work hard, do what you can to stay healthy mentally and physically. Um, and then, um, put your time frames out to be as wise as it needs to. and then uh have people around you who are not normies and who understand what you're going through to hold you accountable and to talk about it. So that's sort of the my potted recap of what I've um heard today. Um just in case there's anything to add. This is just for the benefit of those who need to sort of want to understand and didn't sort of join the entire call. So anyway, feel free to answer it, but that's sort of my summary of it. Yeah, >> 100% 100% tenner. That's exactly what it is. And a prime example of that. I just noticed Freedom's in the chat. So Freedom peace big big peace sign to you, brother. I hope you're doing well, mate.
Um just also want he's a prime example.
Freedom's like, >> you know, he's just just had just had some his babies and he's working hard.
He's, you know, he's non-stop, right?
And he's he's found a way to find trying to accumulate as much allowable income as he can to be DCAing. And every every week, you know, every literally like every week he's like posting on X like this is a great time to buy. Like INC looks good. I've got a little little bit more. I've got a little bit more of a bag here. You know, he's a prime example of somebody who's got his f, you know, got his expenses as low as he can. He's accountable to his family, but he's still showing up for himself. He's still working hard. He's still hitting the gym, and he's still, you know what I mean, still DCAing. So, he's got his mental and his physical in order and his financial. And then therefore, and he's still betting on himself and betting on Richard Hart. Here's the thing, right?
Here's a quote that I saw about Kanye West. And some people don't like Kanye, some people do like Kanye, some people want the old Kanye, some people want the new Kanye, >> but I want to use the kind of like I want to use the quote really as kind of he said in his own view, right? And obviously whether you think he's a megalomaniac or he just likes himself, he's got high >> selfesteem. I don't care. He's he's sort of I just want to hear. Exactly. And his message was if you're a fan of my music, you're a fan of yourself, right? Because the music the music that he talks about is basically self-esteem. It's build believing in yourself, believing in that that that you can do things and you can be capable and there's self-belief in that. And I would take that one step further and I would argue that if you believe in Richard Hart, you believe in yourself >> because Richard Hart represents so much more than just the human being.
He's somebody who absolutely believes in himself. There's this even the haters will agree on that that that he might, you know, we think he's a scammer or we think he's that or we think, you know, I'm saying as an example from like all the rebuttals, the people who aren't fans, you know, they can say that, but they'll never say, oh yeah, but you can never can like call him somebody, oh, he doesn't really believe in himself though. Oh, but he doesn't really like, you know what I mean? Like he's not kind of >> 50% believe in himself.
>> He's not kind of all in though. You know what I mean? like he might be a scammer, but he's he's not all in on the sc. No.
No. People never would would never say that about him. That what they would say is that he absolutely categorically believes in himself and his ability to win, right? He's got it so much so it's in his handle. Richard Hart win. So I believe and this is my view that if you're here, you believe in yourself because if you believe in Richard Hart, you believe in yourself. And that's why someone like Freedom, you know, he's I've admired Freedom for for a long time. Um, much like many people here, but he's a prime example of somebody who believes in himself and he's betting on himself cuz there's a difference between the people that believe in themselves and don't don't really put any skin in the game. Do you know what I mean? But >> well, is that really believing in yourself though? Is that believing?
>> Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Because you're Yeah, because think about this, right?
If you're going to work and you're working hard and you're showing up, you're putting on a suit all day and showing up and smiling at people and trying to keep the peace at work or, you know, playing the game, going on your break, arriving on time, whatever it is that you're doing, your hustle, right?
You're doing your hustle, trying to make it work through, navigate through the life, whether you're working with clients or you're on the move, >> you're constantly juggling things and you're exchanging your time for money, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And when you get that money at the end of the month, that is a that is a manifestation of your effort and your work units, your energy units. So if you take those energy units and you put them into an investment, >> you have to be you have to qualify that to yourself and say, well, I believe that my value as a human being is is is the equivalent of putting this into this project. So you have to believe in yourself in order to believe in Richard Hart, right? Because Richard Hart is somebody if you you have to it's like an extension of yourself. You you put your time and your energy and your money and your effort into this work, right? And you get this this this paper which is effectively worth nothing as we all know. But you put that money into something. So you're investing into something and you're believing, okay, I'm betting on Richard Hart because I believe that he is the he is the like the fastest horse in the race or my favorite horse in the race. That's really what you're betting on. But you're not betting on him. Like, it's not just him. You're betting on yourself. You're betting on your ability to take profit when you should take profit. You're betting on your your own judgment that you've made the right decision. You're betting on your judgment of him as a human being. You're betting on your your um your ability to get more money next month, like not worry about the money that you've spent.
If you, let's say you make, just as an example, let's just say you make 3K a month and you live off 1K, but you're kind of like you're you're only on the bread line. We call it the bread line back in the UK.
>> It's like where you don't have any like you don't you you know, you're not going out, you're not going to the cinema, you you and your family are staying in, you're watching movies, you you're occupying yourself, but it's just dayto-day. You know what I mean? Like just breadline boring normal stuff.
You're not going you're not killing the bank and you're not wrecking it. just at the bread line, but you're aping $2,000 of that money into Richard Hart ecosystem. You you think about the risk that you're taking. You're basically saying that that $2,000 cannot go anywhere but that that's the best investment that I have available to me.
So therefore, I'm taking maximum risk by putting it into something that has effectively could go to zero, but it has the asymmetric upside of 100x or 200, whatever the number is. Could be a 10x, 100x. I believe it'll do way more than 10 I believe from here we'll do way more than 100x but that's my opinion >> but I'm saying that >> even if you're conservatively at 10x right and you only need a 10x like great but the point is you're you're choosing to swap to give your labor units we'll call it what it is which is labor units because you've exchanged your time for money >> your economic energy as a human being which is priceless but we live in an economic planet so there is a price and you take that money and you put it into something that could go to zero. You have to believe in yourself. You have to be able You have to It takes a special kind of human to be buying the blood when we're 99% down. I'm convinced that, you know, we could jokingly call ourselves maniacs, but I think that we are the smart ones because >> we are maniacs. We think we are maniacs anyway.
>> And we think that they're, you know, and we think that they're maniacs, right?
So, it's like I I don't know. I just I just admire anybody who's willing to take the risk and bet on themselves and bet on Richard Hart because if you're betting on Richard Hart, you're betting on yourself and those are the kind of people that I want to be around. So, you know, just wanted to say that about freedom. I also want to add one other thing which is it it is I agree with everything you say and the only thing I want to add is I I think it's also partly believing in the community because I would rather put my money in a community full of people like yourself versus putting money into a community full of LA vape cabal people and Jeters who can't hold for more than 30 seconds.
Like if I'm surrounded by Jeters and scammers and ruggers like if those are the guys which form the community I probably wouldn't put my money in. But in pulse chain, I think there's a a lot lower percentage of those guys and a lot higher percentage of people who actually have some sense of morals and reputation to defend. That's another reason why I I invest. It's Richard Hart plus like a high percentage of decent honest people from what I can see from the >> I think it's that abundance mindset in it because the only the people that are left here are not the kind of majority of the jeets come from a place of poverty mind in their mindset. Right.
So, if you're still here, chances are you probably coming from a place of abundance and you believe that you can make money and you can, you know, again, you can you believe in yourself, >> but you and you, like you say, you you you're effectively believing in Richard and believing in the next man, which is the community.
>> Yeah.
>> Because the community, I mean, it's always about to be honest, I mean, everybody knows Pulse Chain wouldn't survive if it wasn't for the for the for the community anyway. So, we're here because the community is still here.
like you wouldn't be here if it wasn't.
Do you know what I mean? Because you'd just be like, "Well, there's nothing here. I'm going to take my bags and go somewhere else." You'd find your tribe.
>> And that's really why community becomes tribal. Like communities are tribal and that's why uh investing in cryptocurrencies becomes tribal because you you know >> it's because you're literally investing in you're literally betting on the the success of a digital community.
>> Yeah, >> that's what it really is at the end of the day. Obviously the the the how a digital community is is heavily dependent on the leader of the community i.e. Richard Hart slash Charles Hawkins Hoskinson slash the you know the LA vape cabal whatever um and so forth and I guess to a certain extent Vitalik unfortunately for for better or for worse but like I think I honestly think and when Somi says communities are tokens are abundant and communities are scarce I think he means to say tokens are abundant and good communities worth investing in are scarce I think is what what um is is what I think what that's what Somi meant essentially. So so I I personally am betting on a community full of holders and believers and people with a degree of integrity you know like people who are actually like they won't stab you in the back for 50 cents or or 50 p pennies or whatever it is whatever currency it is. So, and obviously Richard Hart >> would Richard Hart I guess attracts those people. I guess in the first cycle Hex he attracted more Jeets because you know he his messaging was more towards you know like Max Gains etc. now that he's more sort of less active. I'd say I think he's doing it on purpose because what he's doing is he's making the Jeets leave so that the only people left are the decent people really the believers and decent people for the most part and then he wants to have that as his community which makes the community more attractive because the only people left are like true believers from what I can see. So yeah. Um anyway, that's sort of my interpretation of what you said. So cool. Correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah.
>> Yeah. No, it's it's totally community. I mean, it's it's it's the backbone of any company, business, anything. I mean, Facebook would never have survived if they didn't have employees which had a community or a culture at work. You know, it's you can't you can't do anything like you can't do anything worth doing without without a team. Like >> yeah, business, venture, pursuit of an investment, anything, mate. I mean, whatever you set out to do, you have to do it as a team. Like there's no there's no self-made. Do you know what I mean?
Like even these self-made millionaires or self-made billionaires, they call it self-made, but it's like, yeah, but you need there's no such thing. I mean, every no person is an island. Do you know what I mean? You have to have a team to get there.
>> So, you know, we're I like to think of us as the super organism. You know, I think I referred to it a couple of weeks ago with Osprey. Like, it's like the super organism which we're just expanding into cuz it cuz you know, every every living organism on this planet has like a nucleus, right? Which basically governs the rest of the the the organism. And I like to think of like pia peg um or or even just the the the the dieards and the and the pulsicans and the hexagons and all that as a general sort of united as we go like 5x higher or 10x higher assuming preg and peg comes later. We we the people that are around now and and and sticking around now, we become like the nucleus in the super organism, if that makes sense because we kind of rise we rise to the top because we we remember, right? We were here. We know who left.
We knew who quit. We know who scammed.
We know who um stuck around and and and and dug in and we become, you know, and it's not about ego, but you know, of course, you want to be validated. You want to be like, you want to get to the end of it and be like, I was right. You know, I was right. Everybody else was wrong. Because you have money, you're rich.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You Yeah. You validated yourself.
>> Yeah. Because the Yeah. You just want to, you know, you want to be right.
>> Who wants to be wrong? Right. And And in one thing that Somi does say, which I I the only I don't want to butcher it, but the only thing that I do disagree with is when he says, "Do you want to be right? Do you want to be money make money?" No, actually, I want to be right and I want to make money. So, >> yeah. Like there's Yeah. Like there's there's I mean if it's just making money versus being right, it could it could be misused to justify scamming people. Like oh there's an opportunity I can scam people and you know I know I'm never going to get caught but you know that's just like I think I think he mean I think that works for certain contexts but there's more there's it's quite nuanced in terms of what the context is like if you know what I mean. Like there's there's context to that. It's not blunt and black and white. there's there's a bit of um you have to actually apply it in certain situations but I think if you have an honest if you if you have values of honesty and integrity as your values then sure like that works. Yeah. So >> yeah no it's it's it's interesting times really appreciate it guys it's um yeah and I can talk about these things. Thank you. Yeah, >> this this sense we have we have a very strong community.
>> Yes.
>> Um you can you can track sort of 90 90 120 days of uh price activity >> not to not to stack us up against you know we're all one we are all one thing.
We are all pulse chain. But you can see where the you can see where the activity is and the message. We're very powerful. We have a very powerful voice and it it's and it's been refined over time. I I do agree with with Tenner and you doc you said it too. But we've we we have refined over time losing a lot of dead weight that people that were just here to do here to trade which is great.
trade in is great but a core has been a core remains and it's and it's very very strong and good strong community is a central central component to product market fit as he says you are the community you are the network make it work and this is what we are doing >> we we are in a we are in such a such a fine position position. If if this does what we think it's going to do, for us to be here and now on this VC talking about it is a blessing. It is an absolute blessing. Doc said it also. Everyone listening here now is likely been through the mill. And we're here. We're here right now potentially right at the bottom. Um we're we're so lucky if if this is the case, we are so lucky because we we really do have the community to make it.
There's going to be a lot of great stories told in post, I'll tell you. You >> Some of us may meet, some of us may meet.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Stories about how we how we got to where we're at and some of the stuff that was going on. We couldn't even speak about some of the real life stuff uh that that lets us be here still. It's it's incredible. like tennis tennis story is very interesting now. It's a good story. There's got to be lots of stories like that.
So exciting >> and it's it's going to happen it's going to happen quicker than we think because >> because we we we're we're thinking oh it's going to be 5 years or let me give you an example like you know it's been 5 years right since 2021 which a lot of people are anchored to in their mind but if you reset psychologically now the time between now and the next market is actually less than what than than the time between now in the last market.
>> Yeah.
>> Like if you look at it as like obviously this cycle was kind of a bit lackluster, you know, so you can't really count that.
>> Um a lot of people don't anyway. They still look at it as 2021 which again if you're anchoring which is really the example I'm using like you know between now and two years two years time from now we could we could all be at a meetup in Europe like just like the hexagons did with Richard. I don't believe any of this [ __ ] when people say, "Oh, he's going to disappear and blah blah blah and he can't be safe and all that kind of stuff." I think I think the man can have both. Like, I think he can have a decentralized finance coin and still go to parties and conferences. Doesn't mean he's not rolling up with security, but he loves community. He loves people.
Like, I don't I I don't buy that. I don't I don't buy a lot of the [ __ ] people say about Richard anyway, but um I'm I'm just postulating that like I'm looking forward to all of us sitting around at a table having a few beers and or or you know, lemonades, whatever you whatever you fancy or coffee and just like chatting chatting it together and just like freedom and COA, you know, I saw COA was in KOA's in the chat. Shout out to COA as well. um co-earned freedom like they talked about a lot about I I believe if I'm correct correct me if I'm wrong boys but I think you both attended the Maria meetup in um Europe and um you know I'm looking forward to that you know that's the sort of stuff I'm looking forward to shaking hands with the people that I've been um I've been around for the last few years and and and meeting you guys and you know and chopping it up and be like [ __ ] hell we did it we did it boys and girls we did it we actually made it we actually got to this point can you believe it. Do you know what I mean? And us and us have that moment. I'm I'm already at that moment in my mind. Like, I know it's coming. All you've got to do is keep showing up for yourself. Don't cheat your bags. If you want to keep dcaing, just keep daing and just build your way to the to the future that you're you've got in your mind. But you got to get really clear on what you want as well.
You know, you got to don't spend any time in the past. You know, to people too many people spend too much time in the past looking back and and it's very tempting, but you've got to you've got to be in the present and look forward.
You got to postulate forward and say now the future's going to be better than the past and and I'm looking forward to it and this is where we're going to be and this is what we're going to do and you know get excited about it. Make a plan and stick to it. You know >> that's where my head >> in your community as well. Do that. Do it now. Do what exactly what we're doing here. Invest your time in your community, the people you're going to be sharing things with and the people you're going to need.
>> It's it's super important.
>> Yeah. I I speaking of some something which is a lot more mundane like I don't know whether I don't know I don't know what the this community's official position is on Maria and a troper like is it good or bad I have no idea like I don't know is there is there a position that we have like in terms of what we think of Maria and whether he's a good actor or a bad actor I've never really ascertained sort of what what um or is there is there divided is there still divided an opinion. I haven't really I'm not I haven't followed sort of the politics behind that. I wonder if anyone's got any sort of official view about that so far.
>> Is a trope not the largest LP?
>> Yeah. Yeah, it is. I don't know whether it's I don't know that whether that's meant to be good or bad like like are we are we hypothecating that he's like a good character like he's benevolent or slashneutral? I have no idea sort of what >> I think >> whether that's the divided. Yeah, >> I have I have [snorts] a there's three I think three people in this chat right now have a firsthand knowledge of of of James Osborne >> and they they are a good they will tell you time and again >> from from experience is a good person >> and okay I I als I also have that knowledge from a neighbor who who worked in uh crash detection software >> uh for most most of his career and would have direct knowledge of James Osborne through work.
>> All right. Okay.
>> And I I heard that and I was like really really cool to hear it. But then I I heard it too from you know Freedom Freedom has met him. I think KOA has met him >> and they and these are guys they they share exactly the same opinion. So I I would take that as a as a measurement and um I I think for that reason a tropa must be something pretty pretty darn awesome.
>> Yeah. Okay. No, that's good to know.
Like my my sole source of insight into Maria is from the fact that he hasn't destroyed the price chart yet. He hasn't it's it's been three years already and in Pulse chain and he hasn't destroyed he hasn't like like fully wrecked and destroyed the maybe in a few coins he must have sold them or something but he didn't look like someone who just destroy the price chart for the sake of it like you know like what Vitalik would do or something. So, I don't know, maybe that's maybe that's a very lazy way of doing research, but um that's sort of the only impression I had. So, I just had to ask the question and just sort of figure out what people's thoughts were.
So, thank you for um for clarifying that. Yeah, >> I think having the the largest LP there always has Patrol as part of the conversation always, no matter what. I think I think it's integral. So, so we should we should speak about it when where and when is required >> even though it's so mysterious as well.
Isn't it so mysterious? But um it doesn't mean it's off the table ever.
>> Yeah, that's the key, isn't it? It's because it's mysterious. It's like it's it's better. Some things we can't, you know, we're very quick to not as in we, but like in general, it's easy to like come to a conclusion on something on limited information. But it's one of those things where it's like, >> well, two people in our community, like you said, are vouching for for Maria, you know, and so therefore, I don't I don't have a real opinion on it. He hasn't sold the the LP, you know. It's kind of like, in fact, there's more than two that vouch for him. You know, you ask Coexistent Steven, he's very bullish on Maria um and a troper and what they're achieving and they they've got huge there's huge there's so many people that are like on board with it. So, I'm just a bit I'm I'm I'm right in the middle. I'm just like neutral and I pass I'm actually leaning more towards he's probably a good actor because of his actions. I mean his action because you can say what you want on Twitter but again it's what's happening on the chain, right?
He hasn't rugged anyone like purposely.
He hasn't he hasn't seen I have not seen any actions which is like you know like rugging or causing like deliberately extracting value in a negative way from members like trust the same vape cabal or something.
>> So anyway that's that's good to know.
That's good to know. I I I do have a troper as part of my sort of allocation bag. I just I only bought it because I was like oh it's investment decision for me but um >> he created this whole ecosystem.
>> Yeah. I I I make a lot >> that's why we are here because of him.
>> Yeah. Two two brain cell investment decisions is my forte for better or for worse.
to actually turn if you like this week there was a bit had a good actually a good a good debate with Baz um and it was around this whole idea of BXUSD had kind of popped up in the chat and it was difficult it was difficult to manage because uh it was it was curiosity mostly um but we couldn't understand it fully and we have and there's there's people in this chat with tremendous skills and and and I lean more towards this being ampl ification of something rather than curiosity. So we we're trying to walk that line. Um the best thing to do is just like say like we don't understand enough. Let's let's diet it down because we're just amplifying something that could be a real risk. No one could tell.
Not not truly, but I I think I think Bavarian got a good handle on it. And and and I would rather have sided that way. We did. I could be wrong, but for the better of the group, I think it's sometimes curiosity amplification is a real tough line to to tread. But a tropa is clearly um clearly something something going on there. There's some there's really stuff to measure. There's a enormous LP. So that curiosity is cool. I'm totally cool with it. You know, >> it's it's like it's like the same sort of mysteriousness as PEI like squared basically. Like like I I I don't know what the hell's going on, but but uh you know it's like I I'm literally left of the curve like the IQ curve. I I'll admit that I'm right on the left hand side and I'm only investing because I'm like, "Oh, okay. Interesting community.
No rugs. Okay, let's do it." [laughter] But anyway, you guys you guys will know a lot more than me. So there you go. Um >> but we don't it's it's we we all know a little something about certain aspects like when we all when we all uh pull together in the same place we are really strong. We're really strong together all of us and >> we can all resources ideas skills and that's exactly what this is about. You know never never uh never never talk yourself down man because look what you've given to the community today. you know, you've given ego off. You you've given yourself to it, explained your situation, and you put yourself right out there for the benefit of this community. Like, that's awesome. That's a skill in itself.
>> And I'll be honest as well, bro, >> just to just to add to you, Osprey. Um, bro, Tenner. Yeah. Exactly as Osprey said, because it's it t in my opinion, it takes more courage to ask for help than to pretend that you don't need it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No, thank you guys. I I I always try to, you know, add value when I can.
Um, you know, and contribute and so forth because you guys have done a lot for me and, you know, I I just listen and I go, "Oh, yeah. This is good. I understand. I I learn a lot of things. I pick up a lot of things just by listening and saying and just shutting my mouth basically." So, um, yeah. No, thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys.
Thank you.
>> Um, have a good weekend, Ter. and um you know listen back listen back to the recording if it's of use to you. Um >> yeah, I will. Thank you so much. I um I'll I'll continue to be on the call, but I think I'm just going to going to lie in bed now because I'm getting tired.
>> Yeah, the end of your day over there.
Yeah, you have a you have a weekend.
>> Yeah, it's like 11:40 p.m. where I am and I'm just sort of Yeah, I'm starting to lose my like brain, but it's all good. I'll just I just listen to other people's wisdom now. I've I've I've done what I had to do and what I what I can do. So yeah, it's um good to good to hear of all the other alpha everyone else provide their alpha. Now it's their turn.
>> You know what, Doc? I think we'll end it there.
>> Yeah, >> I think I think that was a good uh that was a really nice session. That was really community focused session. It's cool.
>> I agree.
I'm going to >> I will what I'll do I'll upload this to uh I had a chat with Stephen about actually do you know what let's do it on let's if you want if you wouldn't mind sharing across your account because you've got some great reach uh what I do I take the VC as an MP3 and I'll wrap it with a a voice visual so it gives it some a bit of flare and you can upload on your uh on your X account if you want. I'll send it to Stephen also because we're getting >> we're getting people I upload it into the chat, but we're only sending it into our own environment. If we put it out on X, it can bring people toward us, which which is uh net positive. So, um I'll send you and Stephen the uh the file. It has an audio wave spectrum. It looks pretty pretty cool with the die logo, you know.
>> Awesome. Yeah, better for that, mate.
>> Yeah, cool. I'll send that across to you in a bit when I have it done. And um listen, thanks and have a I'm glad you had a good week. I'm glad things are working out for you, too. With a second job, man. Fair play. That's how you do it, man.
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is it. Just going to double down and keep going and and uh and muck in, right? If if if we've haven't come this far to come this far, right? So, I I've got the I've got the time to do it, so it would be I'd be a fool to not not to, you know.
>> Yeah. Right, bro.
>> Have a have a smashing weekend, everybody. And >> yeah, enjoy your weekend. Yeah, Friday.
>> Happy days. Osprey.
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