Danny Phil EXPOSES Contradiction in Christian Free Will Argument

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[00:00:00]How does that make God evil?

[00:00:02]>> Do what do you think holy good means? Do holy good things like evil things? Do they want evil things?

[00:00:09]>> Hey everyone, welcome back to the channel. Genuinely glad you are here for this one because this clip had me rewinding multiple times. So, what we have here is Danny Phil going head-to-head with Wi-Fi Gospel on one of the most classic questions in the philosophy of religion. Does God exist?

[00:00:26]And can the traditional idea of an all powerful, all good god survive serious logical pressure? Dany comes in with the problem of evil and what follows is honestly one of the more surgical exchanges I have seen in this space.

[00:00:40]Wifi is defending the Christian worldview and Dany is not letting a single premise slide without demanding it be earned. Do yourself a favor and stay all the way through this one. The moment that made me stop and rewind happens toward the end, and it is absolutely worth getting there for.

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[00:01:08]>> Give me the syllogism. Give me the syllogism.

[00:01:10]>> I just gave you the syllogism.

[00:01:12]>> All right, first first premise.

[00:01:13]>> Yeah. A holy good being is opposed to evil. A holy good being is opposed to evil. Second premise u what it means to be opposed to evil is to have a disposition to eliminate it when it can.

[00:01:32]>> Okay. Conclusion.

[00:01:35]>> Oh no. There's more. There's another premise, right?

[00:01:38]>> Um uh so >> so it's not a syllogism.

[00:01:43]>> No, it's an argument.

[00:01:46]Do you know what a syllogism is?

[00:01:47]>> So arguments don't have to be syllogisms.

[00:01:49]>> Yes. Why don't you do you know you just go look what a syllogism is? Read a logic book. Okay.

[00:01:54]>> I I'm just throwing your own medicine back at you and you don't like it. Go ahead with the next premise.

[00:01:59]>> Yeah. So the idea is that um God is omnipotent. God has no limits. That's the third premise. By the way, a syllogism is a two has two premises.

[00:02:08]>> Just go on with the argument, dude.

[00:02:09]>> I just did. I just gave you the third premise. Do you accept it?

[00:02:12]>> Okay. Is there a conclusion? Yeah. The the conclusion is that there's no evil if you accept those three premises.

[00:02:21]>> So the conclusion is there is no evil.

[00:02:24]>> That's right.

[00:02:25]>> And how does that make God not exist?

[00:02:28]>> Well, presumably you think there's evil, right?

[00:02:31]>> Well, why what does it matter what I think? It's your argument, Danny.

[00:02:35]>> Well, it matters what you think because it's a reduct absurdum.

[00:02:39]>> You don't like it, do you?

[00:02:40]>> Do like what?

[00:02:42]>> All right. So, so let me teach you.

[00:02:44]>> What do you think you're doing?

[00:02:45]>> No, I'm just giving you your own medicine back at you. But presumably what you meanense is that >> Okay. Presumably what you mean is that a good God can exist because of this argument >> that a traditional e Yeah. You're have to give up on a traditional monotheistic conception of God or you have to give up on the existence of evil. Which >> could a traditional monotheistic God who is all good? Um, could part of that be creating uh people with free will?

[00:03:15]>> Sure.

[00:03:16]>> Okay. And could part >> Sorry, what premise are you rejecting?

[00:03:21]>> Well, I'm rejecting that the disposition to that he I guess doesn't I would agree that to disposition the disposition to eliminate evil when it can is true. But saying that uh I I guess my argument is that God created >> Which premise do you disagree with? One, two, or three?

[00:03:44]>> I would a disagree with that. A creating creating humans with free will and having acts of evil.

[00:03:54]>> That's not a premise that I didn't give that premise.

[00:03:57]>> I thought you wrote the A good God. A good God uh is opposed to evil. Yes. Yeah. So, no. All right. It's number four then.

[00:04:07]Your conclusion. There is no evil.

[00:04:09]>> Oh, so you accept the premises but you deny the conclusion is what I'm hearing.

[00:04:14]>> Oh, God.

[00:04:15]>> Yeah. Because they don't lead to the conclusion.

[00:04:17]>> Oh, they don't lead to the conclusion.

[00:04:19]All right. But it's a valid argument.

[00:04:20]And here's why. Right.

[00:04:21]>> What's What's number three? All I have is God is omnipotent.

[00:04:25]>> God has no limits. Right. So if you do you Okay. So I I'll repeat the three premises. Okay.

[00:04:31]>> Yeah. So I would I would actually disagree with premise three.

[00:04:35]>> Uh okay. So God has limits.

[00:04:38]>> Yes.

[00:04:39]>> All right. And so he's unable to prevent evil, for example.

[00:04:43]>> No, he's unwilling to uh prevent all evil.

[00:04:48]>> All right. So God is not omnipotent.

[00:04:51]>> No, he is. He's just unwilling to prevent all evil.

[00:04:54]>> Wait, the third premise is omnipotent.

[00:04:55]God is omnipotent.

[00:04:56]>> Yeah. He limits himself.

[00:04:58]>> Okay. So God is not omnipotent.

[00:05:01]>> If if by God not being if you think that uh by being omnipotent he can't limit himself then no. God's not omnipotent.

[00:05:09]>> No. H being omnipotent is having no limits in what the being can do.

[00:05:13]>> I disagree.

[00:05:14]>> Okay. So God is omnipotent. You've conceded >> under your definition of omnipotence.

[00:05:20]>> This is where Danny Phil completely takes control. Pay attention to what happens here because it is one of the cleanest logical traps I have ever watched someone walk straight into.

[00:05:31]Danny lays out the problem of evil argument with three clear premises. Dany said this, a holy good being is opposed to evil. Simple, agreed upon. Then comes the third premise. Dany said this, "God is omnipotent. God has no limits." And the conclusion follows directly from those premises. Now, here is the part that blows my mind. Wi-Fi accepts the premises but rejects the conclusion. You cannot do that with a valid argument. If the logic flows correctly from the premises to the conclusion and you accepted all the premises, you are stuck. You either find a flaw in a specific premise or you accept where the argument leads. There is no third option. Wifi tries to escape by saying God limits himself. That God is omnipotent but chooses to hold back and Dany catches it immediately. The moment Wifi said this, "No, he's unwilling to prevent all evil," Dany locked the door.

[00:06:37]Dany said this, "Okay, so God is not omnipotent. You have to understand what just happened. Wifi came into this debate defending the traditional Christian God, all powerful, all knowing, all good. And within minutes, he handed Dany the core argument. He said, "God has limits." He said, "God holds back." And Dany simply pointed out, "Under your own definition, your God does not qualify." Here is something worth knowing. The problem of evil is not a new challenge. Philosophers were raising versions of this question over 2,000 years ago. It has been one of the central debates in the philosophy of religion for centuries, which makes it even more surprising that Wifi enters this exchange with no prepared response.

[00:07:29]This is not an ambush. This is one of the oldest arguments in the book. And yet, here we are watching the core attribute of the god being defended get quietly handed over.

[00:07:43]Omnip. So you just you think omnipotence doesn't mean having no limits in what a being can do.

[00:07:48]>> No, I mean sure go with that then. Yeah.

[00:07:50]God is not omnipotent. Nowhere does is that a Christian view under that definition of omnipotence.

[00:07:55]>> Okay. So God is limited. Nice. Nice to hear. All right. Okay. Um >> and so your argument Hold on. So does your argument prove that God doesn't exist?

[00:08:02]>> It proves that traditional montheism is false which is what Christians accept.

[00:08:06]>> So is that what we're talking about?

[00:08:08]>> Yeah. presumably capital G God is the one and only God who's at the highest echelon of power and on Christian on Christianity right um that is going to be omnipotence maximal power >> so Christianity is not true therefore God doesn't exist God >> no if you want to say God can be evil or weak or not knowledgeable then I have other arguments for that kind of thing >> well I'm I mean I disagree with your definition your like yeah god and under your definition that uh god is just has no limits at all Then yeah that Christian God is not omnipotent.

[00:08:41]>> The only the only one that matters actually is I can modify the third premise as God can eliminate anything in reality that he wants.

[00:08:50]I can modify it to that and you still have a problem.

[00:08:55]>> God can eliminate anything.

[00:08:56]>> Yeah. So God just because God can and he's unwilling doesn't make him an evil.

[00:09:02]>> Okay. The question is, do you accept the modified third premise that God can eliminate anything in reality that he wants?

[00:09:14]>> Yeah. He can eliminate anything in reality. Disposition to meet evil when it can't.

[00:09:24]>> Yeah. But that that then that changes everything because >> Yeah. Because God can uh eliminate uh beings with free will, but he chooses not to. And but creating beings with free will is good.

[00:09:44]>> Sorry, which premise are you denying?

[00:09:50]>> The modified third premise.

[00:09:52]>> Premise two.

[00:09:53]>> Premise two. Premise two is that what it means to be opposed is to have a disposition. Actually, I I want a justification for premise 2.

[00:10:01]>> That's just analytic. It's by definition what opposed is. So, like I'll give you an example. If I say I'm opposed to abortion, right? Then that means that >> I'm going to eliminate it if I can.

[00:10:13]>> Says who?

[00:10:15]>> Hm.

[00:10:16]>> Says who?

[00:10:17]>> That's just what it means. The word of mean. Do you know what a definition is?

[00:10:21]>> Wait. So, in order to be opposed to something, you would therefore have to eliminate it if you can't. No. Yeah. If if you're opposed to it and you're able, especially effortlessly able to eliminate it, don't in what sense are you opposed to it?

[00:10:36]>> Well, it's just a dis it's just a uh a preference.

[00:10:41]>> Yeah. If you have the preference to let's say eliminate if you have the preference against abortion, but you have no disposition to eliminate it, I don't even know what that means. Well, like if I have the value, if I value freedom over the evil of abortion.

[00:10:56]>> Okay. So, you can have conflicting will, you can have an opposition.

[00:11:00]>> That's not conflicting.

[00:11:01]>> It is conflicting. Like if >> No, I I oppose say this isn't my position, but if I opposed abortion, but I preferred ultimate freedom, >> conflicting values because one, you can't get both.

[00:11:15]>> Yes, you can by if other people choose not to abort.

[00:11:20]No, the point is that it's not within your power to get both.

[00:11:23]>> Okay. Even if it was >> well then there wouldn't be a problem both >> that there's there is no problem.

[00:11:33]>> What are you saying? Look, it's very clear.

[00:11:34]>> It's the same with God. If God has the value of free will, but he opposes evil.

[00:11:39]>> Yeah. He can get both, right? This is where Dany does not let up because after forcing Wifi to concede that God has limits, he immediately pushes the argument forward. Wifi tries to reframe by modifying the third premise. And Dany said this, God is not omnipotent.

[00:12:00]Nowhere is that a Christian view under that definition of omnipotence. Wi-Fi shifts to let's say God can eliminate anything in reality that he wants. Dany accepts the modification because Dany knows changing the wording does not save the argument. Here is what people do not realize. When you modify a premise mid debate and the conclusion still follows, that tells you the problem was never about the specific wording. It was about the underlying logic. And that is exactly what plays out here. The fight moves to premise two. The idea that being opposed to evil means having a disposition to eliminate it. Dany said this. That is just analytic. It is by definition what opposed is. Wifi pushes back and says you can oppose something without eliminating it because of conflicting values. But Dany identifies the exact crack in that response. Dany said this. If you are opposed to something and you are able, especially effortlessly able to eliminate it, in what sense are you opposed to it at all?

[00:13:09]Think about that carefully. We are not talking about a being with limited power who has to make hard choices. We are talking about a being who can eliminate anything he wants. At that level of power, the idea of conflicting values starts to collapse. Because if nothing stops you and you still choose not to act, that choice tells you something real about what you actually value, not what you claim to value. This is the section where the free will defense starts showing its structural weakness.

[00:13:43]And it is only going to get worse from here.

[00:13:48]>> You just said it.

[00:13:50]>> Could Could God create beings with free will and there be no evil?

[00:13:54]>> You just said it was possible. They're not conflicting. You can't God can get both.

[00:14:00]>> No, he cannot create beings with free will and not have evil.

[00:14:03]>> So then it's then it's conflicting values.

[00:14:08]>> How is it conflicting values?

[00:14:10]>> Because you can't get both. It So they're conflicting. You have to God has to choose.

[00:14:15]>> No, he he has both.

[00:14:18]Oh, he has no world of >> No, no, he doesn't have no He has a world with beings with free will and there's evil. He has both.

[00:14:27]>> So God wants evil >> in the sense that he wants beings with free will. Yeah.

[00:14:32]>> Okay.

[00:14:33]>> If God didn't want there to be evil in the world, >> I'll take that. Okay. A holy good being wants evil. That I'll take that. Yeah.

[00:14:38]Okay. I'll buy that. Okay.

[00:14:41]>> So then your argument doesn't work. Is that what you're biting? Just like a hol a holy evil being just loves the good sometimes, right?

[00:14:47]>> How does that make God evil?

[00:14:50]>> Do what do you think holy good means? Do a holy good things like evil things? Do they want evil things?

[00:14:55]>> No. That that God doesn't do something that is evil.

[00:14:59]>> A holy good being is disposed and ordered only toward the good, not evil.

[00:15:05]>> Okay. And what what makes you think that he wants the evil?

[00:15:10]>> You said that.

[00:15:11]>> Yeah. He in the sense that he wants the good thing which is creating free uh beings with free will.

[00:15:17]>> Then he wants evil on your view.

[00:15:20]>> He wants the he wants the beings with free will and they come with evil because they make their own decisions.

[00:15:25]>> Okay. Question. Does God want evil? Yes or no?

[00:15:28]>> God does not want evil. No.

[00:15:30]>> Okay. So, I don't know why.

[00:15:31]>> Does God want >> Does God want evil to exist in the world?

[00:15:37]>> Uh does God want evil? Yeah.

[00:15:39]>> Yes.

[00:15:41]How does that make him not good?

[00:15:43]>> Because a holy good Think about it. It maybe we'll use an analogy.

[00:15:46]>> No, no, no. I want the argument for it.

[00:15:48]>> It's just definitional, right? It's what if you know >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. What's the argument for it?

[00:15:53]>> It's definitional. I'll get I'll tell you.

[00:15:55]>> No, it's not.

[00:15:57]>> It's not by definition that a holy good being wants only good.

[00:16:01]>> No.

[00:16:02]>> What does holy good mean?

[00:16:04]>> What can evil actions result in good?

[00:16:09]Evil Yeah.

[00:16:11]>> Other beings doing evil, can that result in good?

[00:16:13]>> It can result in good. Yeah.

[00:16:15]>> Okay. So, if God's ultimate end is good, but he wants beings with free will who commit evil acts to get to that good, how does that make him not good?

[00:16:23]>> The point is that if God can get those goods without evil, because he's all powerful.

[00:16:29]>> Well, how >> how is God all powerful?

[00:16:32]>> No. How how can God get no evil with beings with free will?

[00:16:38]>> Okay. Well, first of all, God has control over what happens and what doesn't happen, right?

[00:16:44]>> No. Not everything. No.

[00:16:46]>> Okay. So, for for example, >> he doesn't control what the words coming out of our mouths right now.

[00:16:51]>> Okay. So, God couldn't snap his fingers and shut us up.

[00:16:54]>> Well, yeah, he definitely could do that.

[00:16:56]>> Okay. So, >> but he's not choosing the words that come out of our mouth.

[00:17:00]>> Oh, this is the moment everything was building toward. Danny said this. So God wants evil in the sense that he wants beings with free will. And Wifi agrees.

[00:17:13]He says, "Yes, God wants beings with free will and they come with evil." And then Danny does not pause for a single second. Danny said this, "A holy good being wants evil."

[00:17:30]That I'll take that. And Wi-Fi has absolutely nowhere to go. Think about what just happened. Wifi spent this entire section defending a god described as the definition of goodness itself.

[00:17:46]all good, holy, perfect. And then through his own reasoning arrived at the position that this same God wants evil to exist, not tolerates it reluctantly, not permits it as a side effect, wants it. Wifi tries to recover. He asks, Wifi said this, "How does that make God evil?

[00:18:12]Do you think holy good means that holy good things like evil things? Do they want evil things? And that is a fair question to raise. But here is the problem. He is now asking Dany to prove that wanting evil makes God not good.

[00:18:30]That burden should have never reached that point. Wifi walked himself here through his own argument.

[00:18:38]Wi-Fi then says this that God doesn't do something that is evil. But that sidesteps the actual issue entirely. The question is not whether God personally commits evil acts. The question is whether a being who desires a world containing evil can honestly be called all good in any meaningful sense. Here is what I find genuinely fascinating about this. The free will defense has been one of the most relied upon responses to the problem of evil in the history of theology. Augustine of Hippo wrote about it in the 4th century. Alvin Plantinga built a modern philosophical framework around it in the 20th century.

[00:19:22]The core idea is that God allows evil because human freedom is itself a greater good. But what Dany exposes is the tension inside that argument.

[00:19:35]Because if God actively wants the conditions that produce evil, he is not simply permitting evil as a painful side effect.

[00:19:46]God is choosing a world where evil exists.

[00:19:51]and calling that choice holy requires a definition of goodness that most people would not recognize.

[00:20:01]This is a master class in how to use someone's own framework against them.

[00:20:08]Dany never brought in outside assumptions.

[00:20:12]He took Wii's premises, followed them to their conclusion, and let Wifi answer for where his own argument led.

[00:20:22]That is sharp philosophy.

[00:20:27]So, what do you guys think of this?

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