Y'all Are Hating The Odyssey Trailer Wrong | Black Nerdy Scholars

Added: 2026-05-18

[00:00:00]Hi, I'm Derell.

[00:00:01]>> And I'm Aaliyah.

[00:00:02]>> And we are Black Nerdy Scholars.

[00:00:09]>> Episode 30. Yay. Episode 30.

[00:00:13]Yay. I was going to say we're old enough to drink, but that's wrong in a bunch of different ways cuz that's 21 and also this is in months.

[00:00:23]Um, but pretend that was funny. Pretend that was a funny joke.

[00:00:26]>> Dirty 30.

[00:00:27]>> Dirty dirty 30. 13 going old 30 Jennifer Gardner.

[00:00:32]>> Um, good movie.

[00:00:34]>> Good movie. Still holds up.

[00:00:35]>> Great romcom.

[00:00:36]>> I can't believe Mark Ruffalo was in that before before he was the Hulk. That's >> I imagine him as like a romcom lead versus >> Yeah. Marvel guy.

[00:00:47]>> It feels like It feels like that was the um trajectory he was on.

[00:00:51]>> Yeah. To be a romcom guy.

[00:00:54]>> Yeah.

[00:00:55]>> What do you think? Would you have been interested in seeing him further on the romcom path or do you think he's right?

[00:01:02]>> I like his Hulk.

[00:01:04]I think the MCU doesn't like the Hulk, but I like Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk.

[00:01:11]>> I prefer Mark Ruffalo's Hulk to the uh I call Fight Club Hulk cuz I mean that's >> Yeah, protagonist Hulk.

[00:01:19]>> But I can see what's not Eric Banner.

[00:01:21]He's in the first one. Yeah, I can see how the Marvel bros would maybe like the uh >> What is it? What is the dude from the V club? What is this?

[00:01:31]>> Uh >> it's on the tip of my tongue.

[00:01:34]>> Fight club.

[00:01:35]>> Fight club guy.

[00:01:38]>> Wait. Edward Norton.

[00:01:40]>> Edward Norton. That's his name. Great.

[00:01:42]Lovely. Lovely. Lovely.

[00:01:44]>> Wasn't it that they Marvel and him had like disagreements about the >> Yeah. Apparently, he was kind of a pain on set and he like wanted more creative control. I'm This is stuff that I've heard >> um from people. I didn't research this.

[00:02:02]Take this with a grain of salt. Like I don't I don't know.

[00:02:06]>> Um but I I heard that he was like trying to trying to get certain credits and they didn't want him to have. I don't know.

[00:02:12]>> Um for uh for people watching on YouTube, clearly this is a different setup.

[00:02:17]>> Yeah. Uh, I'm in the process of moving, so that's why I'm in these >> this blank white box.

[00:02:24]Um, and it's been a fun not kidnapped by the back rooms, so we're good.

[00:02:27]>> It does kind of look like I'm in the back rooms, which I heard wasn't that bad of a movie.

[00:02:33]>> I heard it was a fun movie.

[00:02:35]>> I'm looking forward to it.

[00:02:38]>> Okay, but yeah, we're in the process of moving. Um, we still got a bunch of stuff to do and then we have to get like guys to install things and then we have to like a deck built and we have to get the sod installed in our yard. It's it's it's a whole thing. Um, but I've been sleeping here for the last couple of nights and that's really nice. It's it's it it's exciting. It's I'm ready for everything to be done, but it is exciting nonetheless. Uh, how are you?

[00:03:05]How are things over there?

[00:03:07]>> Oh, I'm chilling. I mean, I'm a little concerned about the Canvas in infrastructure hacks.

[00:03:16]>> Oh, right. You're right. Tell tell the people about the canvas thing cuz they might not know.

[00:03:21]>> Yes. So, basically, I was minding my business, went to check my canvas, and I see this manifestoesque post from this hacking group. I don't think officially called >> Shiny Hunters.

[00:03:35]>> Yeah. which I'm like, >> I'm assuming it's a reference to Pokemon and I don't know. Okay, >> but they're like a hacking.

[00:03:43]>> The kids are so creative >> and they uh basically they uh basically will hack the infrastructure of different you know sites and ex extort them essentially basically be like hey you got to send us money or we're going to leak all of this confidential data on all these people. But what's wild about this one is they hacked Canvas, which is actually what not 41% of higher institutions in the US use for their, you know, to locate their school [ __ ] >> Yeah. And >> it's like the website that college students and non-OL students, but students go to for their like classes, their lectures, their grades, to submit assignments.

[00:04:28]>> You might think of it as like Blackboard. It's essentially like that.

[00:04:32]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, remember Blackboard?

[00:04:34]>> Yeah, the good old days. But it's almost like it's bad that 9,000 schools had all this data in this one company. It's almost like that's >> a bad idea. But anyway, they're trying to figure it out. Um, my school's just been sending me various updates. They claim that we can access it again.

[00:04:53]>> Um, but they're like not too sure about like the security of it, so they're holding out on letting us access it. But I don't know. They they seem pretty clear with their terms. So, I'm interested in seeing what is going to happen on the 12th, which is when they said uh we're going to drop all the [ __ ] >> Yeah.

[00:05:10]>> But yeah, it's like they uh steal data and they'll if their demands aren't met, they might sell it on the black web or >> Here's my thing. Why canvas? Why academic institutions?

[00:05:26]>> Maybe they >> surely there are places that have more money. I feel like maybe from their perspective they're like canvas there's so many schools interconnected with this so it's like we hit over 9,000 >> maybe they're like >> just like the sheer amount of people's data >> right so maybe someone's going to meet our demands I mean I can't imagine uh schools will >> I don't know how extortion works in in this uh the digital infrastructure >> computer how does extortion work >> but I can't imagine Imagine that MIT is going to be like, "Here you go, fellow hacker. Here's your money."

[00:06:05]>> Yeah. I mean, it's not like that money is going in any of the students.

[00:06:09]>> True.

[00:06:10]>> I mean, [ __ ] I know. I'm not >> going to the regent and [ __ ] >> But you know what? I could see them blaming us like, "Ah, we can't give you this because we had to pay the we had to play the people who are extorting us."

[00:06:23]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:06:23]>> So, oh, we're just out of money now.

[00:06:26]Uhoh.

[00:06:27]We're going to have to up tuition again.

[00:06:30]Yeah.

[00:06:31]>> Them trying to make it our fault after the strikes that they have to um they're like, "Oh, we don't have the money to pay you guys livable wages, so now we have to fire people and cut a bunch of appointments." It's like um >> it's it's just like it's really it's already a bad time for higher education.

[00:06:51]like PE enrollment in general is down and people are treating it really or like they're responding to a higher education very antagonistically.

[00:07:03]>> Yeah.

[00:07:03]>> And I I feel like on my social medias these past couple weeks, there have been a lot of videos about >> like convincing Gen Z, younger Gen Z people to go to college or even or even like in general convincing younger like Gen Alpha students to read to read books.

[00:07:27]>> Oh yeah, my nephew doesn't read.

[00:07:30]>> It seems like the response to a lot of people upper like higher or older Gen Z and and millennials, they're like, "You guys are stupid idiots. Why are you comfortable being stupid idiots?"

[00:07:44]And clearly that's not working. They don't they don't give a [ __ ] Clearly that's not the root of it.

[00:07:52]>> It isn't. There is this Tik Tok that went around about like show like asking students to read like you you know what I'm talking about and it's like students couldn't read the words what it was like silhouette in go and extraordinary I guess and a bunch of people were like wow like the kids are cooked we're like this is so embarrassing but it's the system's fault. No, no, no.

[00:08:17]It's the It's the students fault because they don't care. They're children.

[00:08:22]>> People only like to bring up no students left behind when they're using it as a dig towards other people.

[00:08:29]>> They're like, "No, people are being left behind and it's not because of them.

[00:08:33]It's because >> like deliberately by institutions to keep a populace stupid." Yeah. Yeah.

[00:08:41]this is being done to us and and like part of the conversation is like trying to get students more engaged, but because of the stage of capitalism that we're in and because of the stage of social media that we're in, a lot of students don't really care about reading because that doesn't make money. And it's like it's I even think of it someone in like my class where I teach Gothic lit and even though I'm doing with a contemporary term turn it's really even hard to get my students to be like okay why should I care about this [ __ ] from like centuries ago >> it it feels like >> not even you can't even justify it on the grounds of like studying the arts and humanities for the love of the game anymore because It's not making money anymore. It's >> because because we could do the whole spiel about how literature like widens your horizons and it it is a practice of empathy and and communication skills, but you don't need any of those to live.

[00:09:50]In fact, a lot of the people that are advocating for those kind of skills are also saying, "Hey, I have all these student loans to pay." So why would why would a 14-year-old look at us and go that's the life I want to live?

[00:10:06]>> This isn't to like be really doomerism like and and like doomsaying or anything like that. The issue is structural. It can be fixed >> politically, >> but also a lot of people don't look at this as a political issue or they don't care about this as a political issue.

[00:10:25]They're actively trying to, >> excuse me, dumb down the masses.

[00:10:30]>> Yeah.

[00:10:30]>> With generative AI.

[00:10:33]>> They want everyone to sound and talk the same, but not like intelligently. They want us to be, you know, that's how you get away with more [ __ ] >> Yeah.

[00:10:42]>> If everyone is dumbed down.

[00:10:45]>> Yeah. And like the solution is to engage politically uh ideally locally, but people don't do that. And like this is also speaking personally. I don't do enough.

[00:10:57]We don't do enough.

[00:10:59]>> Yeah.

[00:11:00]>> But also because of the the the capitalistic digital era that we're in, we have been trained to be so hyperindividualistic that the idea of doing something for the community is especially like offline without it being content is kind of laughable to a lot of people. you would help poor people for free with no clout.

[00:11:30]>> Yeah, it it this this this is not exactly the same, but it feels relevant.

[00:11:37]Um the way that people are reacting to the haunt virus stuff, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. If if people don't know, there's this virus is kind of outbreaking on a cruise ship. And before we get into it, I just like it seems like scientists like the the authorities on verology and all that stuff are saying don't panic. It's fine. Um and it is being treated. Uh so I'm going to take their word for it. But a lot of people are like I can't do another quarantine.

[00:12:10]And it seems like the the rhetoric online, especially on TikTok, is, "Hey, you people on the boat, you guys need to take one for the team and just >> die.

[00:12:21]>> Go die, please, so I can keep getting my matcha, right? Like, go die so I don't have to change the way my life is."

[00:12:30]>> And I see we see that a lot with how in people's viewpoints in general, just this idea that it's not directly affecting me. I don't want anything to directly affect me. I already >> I understand it from the perspective of like ah I already have this doom and gloom and like I'm being crushed under the weight of capitalism but also >> it's all a newfound form of American individualism. Mhm.

[00:12:59]>> So, it's very I know this is there are talks of this happening in other countries, but you know, >> yeah, >> this very specific thing we're seeing come back.

[00:13:09]>> Yeah.

[00:13:09]>> And you know what pisses me off the most about the haunt virus thing? People are like people are bracing for another quarantine. They're like, I can't do this again. LA, like 2020 was not long ago. The thing that pisses me off is guys, there is going to be another quarantine. But it's not because of the [ __ ] haunt virus. It's going to be because of the oil. It's because there there's going to be a massive oil shortage that starts affecting the way that we live our lives. Countries around the world are already starting to shut down because they can't afford the high oil prices that we Americans shot up.

[00:13:51]our our nation is [ __ ] up the world and is our our actions are going to cause us to have to stay at home. It's it's only a matter of time the way things are going before they're like, "Hey people, stay home because we don't have the oil to support our infrastructure." But that isn't sexy and exciting.

[00:14:13]That's not the thing that people are reacting to as reactionarily as they are. It's this [ __ ] cruise virus because it sounds similar to a thing that's already happened >> because I think it's interesting because you can see how people view view the oil crisis like there's wars happening right now. There's people their communities are actively being shut down >> actively.

[00:14:38]>> They're dying. But because the threat of like oil affecting us, it still feels like a we we still even though gas is high, we still have gas.

[00:14:49]>> That's like the limit that they get.

[00:14:51]They're like, wow, I really hate that my gas is $5 now. Hm. When they're not seeing the like, >> hey, this is going to start affecting us critically eventually.

[00:15:05]>> Yes. But because the material comforts are not presently disrupted, >> but virus can affect them and they're like, >> "Yeah, that's scary. You guys are scared about the wrong stuff."

[00:15:16]>> Yeah.

[00:15:16]>> I don't know what to tell you.

[00:15:19]>> All right, let's get off this bummer. Let's get into the content. Catch up.

[00:15:24]>> Yeah, >> I have been reading Stephen King's The Gunslinger.

[00:15:32]>> Yeah, you mentioned that.

[00:15:33]>> I'm not very far into it. This is the first Stephen King book I've read and I've got to say I hate how he writes.

[00:15:43]I am not having a good time. I'm going to keep reading it because this book is very important to a close friend of mine and she insisted that I read it and I don't want to let her down.

[00:15:53]But I hate reading this nigga's words.

[00:15:57]>> I I read a bit of The Shining.

[00:16:00]>> Mhm. And I think I do prefer his movies, which is fair. Like I can appreciate what he did >> for the genre of horror. Like he's one of the horror fathers.

[00:16:12]>> And I know his books are definitely probably >> from there's like a technical standpoint, you know, of why do I have ketchup? Uh measurement that I feel like he definitely is reaching that. He's definitely inspired enough of horror writers beyond him. But dang, he he's just kind of painful to read.

[00:16:32]>> Yeah.

[00:16:33]>> Like a is the worst [ __ ] ever. And >> I I do think like ju just looking at the the filmography of Stephen King films, the talent that is not Stephen King's is all immaculate. Jack Nicholson in The Shining. Um Kathy Bates in uh uh Misery.

[00:16:56][ __ ] goddamn Bill Scarsgard in it.

[00:16:59]like like there there are >> the collaborative efforts of Stephen King's raw materials does seem to be heightened obviously due to his quality of work but that there is an added layer of quality that he cannot be responsible for that I think separates some of the the the films from the novels as someone that is only kind of familiar with Stephen King But so so far I don't really know what's I'm not very far into it. I got to express that again. But it's like about this gunslinger chasing down this man in black.

[00:17:41]And there's more to it. I just haven't discovered it yet. And he's like chasing her through a desert. But the one of the things that really put me off is uh uh I'm at this part early on where he's traveling the desert and he gets to this tiny farm and he shares a meal with like this guy in the farm and uh uh he's like, "I just came from this town and I'm waiting for the farmer to ask me about what just happened. Why isn't he asking me about what happened?"

[00:18:12]"Hey, I just came from this town." And then the farmer's like, "Do you want me to ask you about what happened?" And he's like, "Yes, please." But it's all through the guise of like, "I'm the gunslinger.

[00:18:22]I'm I'm I'm on the hunt and I'm going to get my mark." Like that kind of vibe.

[00:18:27]But in the flashback to what happens in this town, he's like interrogating people. He's talking to people. And then there's a woman that like tells her story and then they start [ __ ] And to me, it feels like it came out of nowhere.

[00:18:45]Especially since like I do not know this man's name. He is just the gunslinger at this point. I know he has a name. He's just the gunslinger at this point because of like his affect and his like I guess dehumanization, his abstractness because he's just the gunslinger.

[00:19:05]I didn't read him as a sexual being.

[00:19:10]You know what I mean?

[00:19:12]>> This this isn't the same. But it's like >> gun equals dick. Just kidding. I'm just >> Yeah, you are right. You you are right.

[00:19:20]There is clear phallic imagery inherently assigned to this character.

[00:19:26]And it's a Stephen King book.

[00:19:28]>> She loves that.

[00:19:31]>> That's that's the one thing I knew about Stephen King.

[00:19:33]>> Oh, he loves the fallace.

[00:19:35]>> He loves a fallace. Loves a fallace. Um yet.

[00:19:41]>> Oh, no. Not to bring it too off course, but um his love of the fall is decidedly why I'll always prefer the IT movies to the IT books purely because they remove a certain scene. I just I just I just can't get down.

[00:19:55]>> Can Can you talk about the scene or >> Yeah.

[00:19:59]>> Are you sure?

[00:20:00]>> Warning. Basically, part >> trigger warning. All right. how they get rid of it is um like essentially what people our age would refer to as a gang bang, but it's like all the male kids.

[00:20:15]>> Okay. But they're kids, so it's like not >> what?

[00:20:20]>> Okay. So, there's basically like this scene where um all the boys have sex with the one girl character as part of get riding of getting rid of it. Yeah, I know. I don't know how to explain it beyond that.

[00:20:40]How? Hold on. Hold on.

[00:20:44]How do those correlate?

[00:20:48]Is it like the secret was inside you all along, but like physically? I don't uh >> how how does the gang bang translate into banishing this demon clown?

[00:21:03]>> Um, give me give me one second.

[00:21:09]>> Okay.

[00:21:11]Why do the kids gang bang in it?

[00:21:29]Why does nobody know? Well, so >> they believe that it was the only way they could become adults by having sex.

[00:21:36]>> Oh, okay. Well, you know that >> Oh, I hate that.

[00:21:41]>> Yeah, >> I hate that. I I can't I can't judge it too much. I hate the idea you put into me, but who knows how how well it fits in the book that I haven't read.

[00:21:52]>> Yeah, cuz I was like, "Okay, I >> It feels like that's what people hear when we talk about Euphoria." Oh, the kids gang banged >> literally.

[00:22:06]>> Yeah. Like kids don't do this.

[00:22:09]>> Really quick about the gunslinger. I just got to the part where he shot the guns for the first time and that's the first time I was like >> I'm sad.

[00:22:17]>> Okay, >> he he blows down a town. Spoiler spoilers for this ancient book. This like 30-year-old book. He blows down an entire town and he's like reloading so fast that his like he singes his fingers. Wait, that's >> And I was like, "Oh, yeah. That's the stuff. That's Put the penis away. Get back to the gun. No more [ __ ] just gun. The gun stuff is cool."

[00:22:43]>> Symbolic penises.

[00:22:44]>> Yeah. No real penises. Cuz there's this moment right before he shoots everybody in the sound where he like spend this last night with this girl and he's like asking her for information. She she's like, "If I tell you, will you make love to me?" And he's like, "I think you already know the answer to that." And I'm like, "Ew, shut up.

[00:23:04]>> YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

[00:23:05]>> STOP BEING A STOP BEING A DUDE."

[00:23:07]>> LIKE, is he hot? Like, cuz you >> I think he's supposed to be hot, but he hasn't been described. He's just the gunslinger.

[00:23:15]>> You can't You can't do that. Stephen King, you can't just make the assumption, I'm going to assume he's hot. Okay.

[00:23:20]>> They've described his clothes and he looks like a he looks like a gunslinger.

[00:23:24]I don't They haven't described parts of his face. I think he's supposed to I think his masculinity is supposed to speak for itself, but I read him more as a idea of masculinity as opposed to a man.

[00:23:37]>> You know what I mean, right? And he's like he like turns over and he's like and I take my way with her again.

[00:23:45]Shut up. Ew. Just shoot people with your gun. Anyway, that's what I've been reading. What are you What are you What are you consuming right now? Oh. Um, I played I finally got Silent Hill F.

[00:24:00]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:01]>> Yeah. And I >> actually I quite like it so far. I'm not too deep into it, but as far as someone who likes Jor, I'm quite enjoying the visuals and um, you know, just going through the the small town in Japan with like the little girl character. Um, I know a lot of people I feel like a lot of the main critiques had to do with how the um the monsters move. They're like, "Ah, this is kind of cheap." Or like, you know, >> it doesn't >> cheap in what way?

[00:24:36]>> Uh, the >> like poorly animated, low resolution.

[00:24:41]>> Yeah. Or just like it seems like the it's like a not a high frame rate even for the monsters. Maybe in comparison to like the game surrounding it, which is like super graphically uh intricate and whatnot, >> like the high fidelity.

[00:24:57]>> Hm.

[00:24:57]>> Like high fidelity, like graphically.

[00:25:00]>> Yeah.

[00:25:02]>> Okay.

[00:25:03]>> But I feel like I feel like the monsters are fine and I can understand why they would move as as they do. I'm also, you know, I'm not too heavy as a combat person, but I find like the combat approachable, you You know, >> Silent Hill F is the one with the like high school girls. Yeah.

[00:25:17]>> Yeah.

[00:25:18]>> And they have a camera.

[00:25:20]>> It's like it's the Japanese high school um girls. And uh yeah, I don't quite know what's going on yet. I just know that um of course like all scary small towns, most of the people are gone. The tourist days are over.

[00:25:38]>> Um her dad sucks. Her mom's weak. Her sister's way >> shoes. Whack.

[00:25:47]>> The way he acts like he doesn't even care. Whack.

[00:25:50]>> Whack.

[00:25:51]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:25:53]>> Yeah. It's It's cool. It's like It's a puzzle game, you know? So, I always like a good puzzle.

[00:25:58]>> I don't like love I don't love horror games.

[00:26:02]>> I don't love horror, but more specifically, I don't like I don't like being scared. It's less the horror and more about the fear. Does that Okay.

[00:26:11]translate.

[00:26:12]>> Yeah.

[00:26:13]>> Like I I there I like I like the idea of horror because it does feel like at least filmically uh uh a lot of the most innovative like original media of the last five years has been horror movies.

[00:26:31]>> Oh, for sure. And that tracks definitely with the genre over time.

[00:26:36]>> Yeah. And because I like for instance sinners, I really loved sinners. I was not scared at any point during Sinners, right? But if it were scary, I would probably be like, I can't watch it.

[00:26:53]>> Like I remember in Sinners, like the only parts that really scared me were the two jump scares in the first act, right?

[00:27:00]>> Yeah. With the snake.

[00:27:01]>> The the snake. And then just like like 10 seconds into the film when Sammy first returns to the church and it like flashes Remick from the last.

[00:27:09]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That those were the only two moments where I was like, "Oh, Jesus Christ." Uh but the movie isn't scary. So I like the idea of horror. I just am kind of a [ __ ] I guess. Um and I've made my peace with that.

[00:27:23]>> But yeah, as someone who studies Gothic, I definitely never Horror does not equal scary to me, per se. Horror is more so about um creating like a certain atmosphere >> or um you know, of course there's like certain devices associated with it. The jump scare of course is one >> device, but I would say um most of the books that I study that would be considered horror aren't necessarily uh I feel like >> they wouldn't like scare you or you know be unreadable to you. Um, >> especially Frankenstein isn't scary. Dr. Czech, Mr. Hyde isn't very scary.

[00:28:03]>> Yeah. Oh, I loved fun fact because I know you were talking about Fight Club earlier. I like uh making my students read Fight Club as gothic >> which I mean is >> interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:14]>> I mean, he's like he's a he's a doctor.

[00:28:16]He's a Mr. Jackal. Doc Dr. Hi. M Dr. Jackal.

[00:28:22]Sure. Sure. Sure. Uh descendant. And of course, doppelgangers are The Gothic is all about doppelgangers.

[00:28:29]>> Yeah. Remind me to bring that up so we can talk about that more a little bit in office hours or show.

[00:28:36]>> Oh yeah, for sure.

[00:28:38]>> Um, but uh I think that's it. I think that's it for the content catchup. Uh, let's get into the discussion of the day.

[00:28:49]>> So, people have been freaking out about this Odyssey trailer. People have been really weird about the Odyssey.

[00:28:58]>> So for those who are >> We just only got the trailer.

[00:29:01]>> To be fair, it is the second or third trailer, but still for people that are out of the know. Um Christopher Nolan, uh one of our generation's most prolific directors, >> Oppenheimer, Inception, Interstellar, >> uh Tenant. Yeah, >> I heard some good things about Tenant.

[00:29:24]I'm like I maybe I >> I've only heard bad things about Tenant.

[00:29:27]>> Really?

[00:29:28]>> Someone who I really trust of movies really liked it, so I'm interested in seeing it.

[00:29:33]>> I'll take their word for it. I I won't believe it, but I'll take their word for it. But he's doing the Odyssey. Odyssey comes out in July of this year, 2026. If you're from the future, that's the year um that this came out. Uh uh and a lot of people have been really weird about it. It seems like there's been a lot of antagonism towards this movie. Now, I I'm not a Nolan Dick Rider or nothing, but it feels like y'all are dragging it.

[00:30:04]And this trailer that just dropped particularly, it feels like a lot of people are reacting to the weirdest [ __ ] about it, the stuff that doesn't matter.

[00:30:16]like when he called him dad instead of father. I thought somebody holds let's let's watch some of this. Let's watch some of this.

[00:30:29]>> Tell me what you remember.

[00:30:34]>> A wife.

[00:30:38]Okay. Oops. I'm going to pause this intermittently. So if if you're like anti-pausing, get over it. Uh, one complaint that I see a lot of people have is about Matt Damon specifically.

[00:30:51]>> What is it?

[00:30:52]>> I a lot of people just doesn't think Matt Damon has the sauce to be Odysius.

[00:30:57]And I don't get it. I think I think he is >> who like who would they like to see as >> I I don't know. I I haven't gotten that far in that kind of discourse, but it just seems like the reaction is really Matt Damon.

[00:31:15]>> Who is Odiss to y'all?

[00:31:18]>> Yeah. Who? Yes.

[00:31:21]Yes. I genuinely think that is the crux of all complaints. Who What do you guys think the Odyssey is? Say your thing.

[00:31:33]>> Cuz I don't know. I feel like there's this idea being circulated that Odysius is this this pinnacle of uh of the masculine. He's he's very like super mananish in his like uh his perfection of masculinity if that makes sense.

[00:31:53]>> Yeah. Like he's ultimate superhero. He's the ultimate >> I'm like no why >> are we forgetting all his his failures, >> right? I I think even even in I let me let me just say this. You and I are literary literary scholars. We have probably read of the Odyssey more than most people have read it.

[00:32:16]>> I graphic enough for it too.

[00:32:18]>> We have consumed this narrative across translations, across mediums, right?

[00:32:25]Yes, Odysius was meant to be this kind of pillar, but he wasn't masculine in the way we describe masculinity. He was brilliant.

[00:32:38]The thing that the thing that the gods raved about with him was how intelligent he was and how how he outsmarted people.

[00:32:46]But it seems like it feels like people take that for granted and he's supposed to be the strong guy.

[00:32:56]Almost like they're conflating him with like Hercules or something.

[00:32:59]>> Yeah, babes. Wrong story.

[00:33:01]>> Literally. And I think I think Matt Damon can play older man that outsmarts people fine, especially since one of his most quintessential films is um whatchamacallit how you like them apples with uh >> Is that the name of the movie?

[00:33:24]>> No, that's the that's one of the famous lines with with Ben Affleck is in it. Well, Ben Affleck's in most of them. Goodwill Hunting.

[00:33:33]>> Goodwill Hunting. Thank you so much. Oh my god. I was like, what the [ __ ] is that movie? Right.

[00:33:39]>> One of the biggest breaks in his one of the biggest moments in his career is a role about his intellect.

[00:33:49]I it make this makes sense to me.

[00:33:54]But I do think one of the things that is uh Matt Damon's calling card is his language.

[00:34:02]which does seem to be a central issue for a lot of people. So, I'm going to hit play again, >> a sun.

[00:34:13]>> It does look really gray, >> which most Nolan films do, >> but I kind of wish there was more color.

[00:34:26]>> Help me go home.

[00:34:30]Yep.

[00:34:32]>> This is a household waiting for master.

[00:34:35]>> All right. Here, >> I want you to choose me.

[00:34:40]>> I love Robert Patson. I got to say it.

[00:34:43]>> King.

[00:34:43]>> I do, too.

[00:34:44]>> And I love Ian Hway, too.

[00:34:46]>> Me, too.

[00:34:49]>> My first favorite white woman.

[00:34:51]>> What would he do if he came back here to find all these suitors in his house?

[00:34:55]>> Whoa. Was that John Lugazimo? They're pining me for a day.

[00:34:59]>> Everybody in this room like some snickling bastard.

[00:35:03]>> Okay.

[00:35:04]>> Wait.

[00:35:05]>> Uhhuh.

[00:35:06]>> I feel like I know what you're going to say.

[00:35:09]>> So, I've seen a lot of people on the interwebs.

[00:35:13]They were like shipping. They were there was some shipping going on Takis and his son. But wait, that's not what bothered me honestly. It's where like the people who are really [ __ ] mad, they were like, "Wait until the movie comes out and then I'mma see y'all switch up."

[00:35:32]>> You thought I was gonna talk about the shipping between these two white boys >> or no? I thought there I was interested.

[00:35:40]>> I didn't hear about that at all. I haven't seen that at all.

[00:35:43]>> Oh, yeah. So, there was shipping and then there was people who are really upset about the shipping happening because of uh who Robert Patterson's character is. And I'm like, bro, this is the least of our worries right now.

[00:35:55]>> Gen genuinely. And also like I don't know. Ho Homer kind of wrote a lot of these dudes to be a little gay, man. Like by today's standards >> and our Pat is hot and he just has really good chemistry with everyone. So I can >> that that's really the issue. People are people are like fatigued by Robert Patson and he's just charming.

[00:36:15]>> They're like, "Oh, your stupid [ __ ] face that I love." But he the the thing that I want to call attention to. He says the word daddy there.

[00:36:23]>> Oh yeah.

[00:36:24]>> Um and I just put a put a pin in daddy and then I'll pause it again.

[00:36:29]>> You didn't even know like some >> Wait, go back.

[00:36:32]>> You're pining for a daddy.

[00:36:34]>> You're pining for a daddy.

[00:36:35]>> You didn't even know. Like some sniffling bastard.

[00:36:40]>> Who's looking after your wife and son?

[00:36:43]>> Do you see?

[00:36:45]>> My dad is coming home.

[00:36:47]>> All right. My dad is coming home. It seems like that is the center of a lot of people's issues.

[00:36:57]Genuinely just my dad is coming home.

[00:37:01]>> Could y'all grow up?

[00:37:04]Shut up.

[00:37:06]>> They were like, "Oh, they should have done it in in classical ancient Greek."

[00:37:11]>> They wanted it to be British. Like they're like, "Is it is it too hard to say father?"

[00:37:18]>> The writers didn't want it to say f.

[00:37:20]Okay. Do you remember um May he rest Heath Ledger's uh A Night's Tale?

[00:37:29]>> He did that, >> right? That's That's Heath Ledger. A Night Sale.

[00:37:34]>> Oh my god. I should see it then. A Night Tale. I didn't know that existed.

[00:37:38]>> 2001. A Night Tale. Yes. Heath Ledger.

[00:37:41]Um, one of the things that I remember audiences reacting to mixed to negative is in this movie that is supposed to be like like nights or the round table like medieval, they used modern music, right?

[00:38:00]They played Queen, we will rock you and stuff like that and people were like, "Oh, it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit."

[00:38:07]The thing that they were going for is that that song is what it would have felt like to listen to like to have a cheer at the time, right? It it is capturing a historic feeling using language we understand. that that comes back to your overall point about like how masculinity doesn't mean the same thing it does in the Odyssey's original context as it does now. The same way music uh you want them to pull out the liar to capture this. Okay. They could have done that.

[00:38:45]>> They could have done that but then people would have been bored because we don't listen to the liar like that for real.

[00:38:51]>> Exactly.

[00:38:52]>> And so when I I'll start with Robert Patson. When Robert Patson says, "Daddy," what that is, even just in this trailer, is shorthand for him being an [ __ ] >> He's being like, "You a little >> He's calling you a [ __ ] >> Call your daddy." Like, that's that's literally I feel like, not to bring it to Disney vill uh bullies and [ __ ] >> but like daddy in that context, he's he's making he's poking fun at him and his masculinity. He's like, "Oh, you're going to go crawl home to your daddy."

[00:39:26]So, yeah, that makes sense.

[00:39:28]>> And while they could have kept the like >> the the the the older language, they they could have kept a more like Greek language, you guys wouldn't have liked it. Y'ALL DON'T READ BOOKS.

[00:39:41]>> UNDERSTOOD IT.

[00:39:42]>> You You wouldn't have understood it.

[00:39:45]It wouldn't have hit the same way that this is alluding to. And I don't think it's not like with the Odyssey, I think the story has like grown beyond the um the text itself in a way that like Shakespeare is like different in the sense that like you know you could still show modern Shakespeare >> as as an illusion. Sorry, the way you said that made it seem like you're saying Shakespeare wrote this and Homer wrote this. It's like like Shakespeare, we have interpretations of Shakespeare that transcended what he originally wrote. Yes.

[00:40:20]>> Yeah.

[00:40:21]>> Yeah. And then for the word dad, people are like, "Dad took me out of it."

[00:40:28]Right. If if we like if we go back to the go down to the comments, right? Like Spider-Man, my dad's coming home. Uh uh uh uh. My dad is coming home and you're all going to be in trouble, right? It like they're making fun of him as if it's as if it stands out. Maybe that's a part of the characterization. Hm. Maybe him using the word dad is to symbol how adolescent this adult man is. This boy that grew into a man without a father.

[00:41:05]Yes, he could have said father, but what would that have gain? What what do we gain? What do we gain by that change?

[00:41:11]>> We feel more British.

[00:41:13]>> We feel more British. Is that what you wanted? I mean, the answer is yes.

[00:41:17]movie cuz people also talk about the American accents as if like that is an issue.

[00:41:24]>> Do you want it in Greek? Because they could have made it in Greek and if they did, you wouldn't have watched it.

[00:41:30]Y'all don't even like It feels like the people that complain about this also don't even watch stuff with subtitles and [ __ ] You would not have liked it.

[00:41:40]It it's it just feels like there's this assumption of malice or ineptitude as if like ah he they use the word dad that must mean everyone behind the scenes is stupid and dumb and I'm better than them.

[00:41:56]>> Not to glaze Nolan or anything but like you don't have more faith in this man who's shown himself to be able to make a really good movie. Like you think you >> I I AM NOT A Nolan glazer. I barely [ __ ] with the [ __ ] I liked Oppenheimer. I think Oenheimer is his best movie by far. I don't like Inception. I think Inception is really boring.

[00:42:19]>> And I know a lot of [ __ ] with Interstellar.

[00:42:21]>> I think Interstellar is fine. And I know that's taboo to a lot of dudes, but I I think it's okay.

[00:42:30]I I think I think everyone does a good job and it's fine. I enjoy it. Right. I I think he he misses almost as much as he hits, which I applaud. I'm I'm glad that he still makes movies and still tries stuff, but like it it's like clearly he has enough clout.

[00:42:58]>> Yeah.

[00:42:59]>> And he's done enough work, you know?

[00:43:02]>> I I almost wonder if that's the problem.

[00:43:04]like he's too famous now that he he has to be cut down a peg.

[00:43:10]Like I don't I it I I don't get it. I don't I don't Well, no, I do get it. I think y'all are just a bunch of haters if I if I'm being honest.

[00:43:21]>> Yeah. Go ahead. like the uh seeing the how people receive the uh the the highly acclaimed uh directors of our generation because at least when I think of like highly acclaimed directors typically, you know, I I think of like the dead ones, you know, >> or just the ancient ones, Spielberg.

[00:43:42]>> Yeah. Like the >> um Scorsesi are >> Uhhuh.

[00:43:49]>> or Vertigo. Uh, Alfred Hitchcock.

[00:43:51]>> Alfred Hitchcock. Hitchcock. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:53]>> And a lot of them have some movies that are not as good as their best movies.

[00:43:59]>> Every director has stinkers.

[00:44:01]>> Yeah. It's part of >> And if they don't, they will.

[00:44:04]>> They will. It's part of life. Sometimes you suck at things or things don't come out how you I don't know. That [ __ ] sounded good in your head and then you actually make it and it's like, damn. I dreaded the day that uh Ryan Cougler has like a real >> Oh god.

[00:44:20]>> Because how people will react to it.

[00:44:23]>> Yes. Yes. And I I love Ryan Cougler.

[00:44:26]>> If he makes films long enough, he's going to have a stinker.

[00:44:31]>> [ __ ] I imagine, you know, in the future when we making [ __ ] it's going to happen.

[00:44:38]>> Yeah, >> it's going to happen. But it it's not an like it's for some not for some reason we have been conditioned to jud like morally judge things based on subjective interest.

[00:44:56]Like I I said I think a lot of people are haters and I don't mean that as a indictment because I'm a hater. I'm a like big time hater. Y'all are hating wrong. You're doing it wrong. You could just not like you could not [ __ ] with Nolan. All of the complaints like like Matt Damon, Tom Holland, Christopher Nolan, you could easily just be like, I don't [ __ ] with him. I'm a hater and I'm going to talk [ __ ] about this.

[00:45:26]>> I'm a Stanley Cooper hater. Fun fact.

[00:45:29]>> And and >> I like The Shining, though. I think as haters, I think we are cognizant enough to go they have good stuff and he's fighting the best director.

[00:45:43]>> I hate them.

[00:45:44]>> Yeah.

[00:45:45]>> It it it kind of reminds me of like the Timothy Shalomé thing from a couple of months ago with the ballet where it's like people are like finally I have a reason to publicly hate Timmy. You don't need a reason. Just hate the [ __ ] >> [ __ ] with the [ __ ] just don't [ __ ] with him. That's that's cool. There's nothing.

[00:46:03]>> See, the problem is I think they also want him to like collectively not be [ __ ] with to justify their hatred cuz I think >> they don't want to just hate. They want to be right. They also I also think a lot of people don't want to feel like a hater.

[00:46:17]>> I think they want to still be morally superior and so they have to latch on to things that they can go see this is a reason to hate. Just hate the [ __ ] Go ahead. I'm sorry. They can never because even see when we talk about like how okay not to bring it back to Kubric but like I can acknowledge I hate him and he's also a good director and talented.

[00:46:41]I think maybe they want people to not like Timothy despite he has like, you know, he's a good I almost said discography filmography.

[00:46:49]>> He he's he's good at he's a good actor that >> but they want him to be bad and they want you to think he's bad and they just don't >> they want to be cosmically justified in the way they feel towards these things when you could I don't [ __ ] with Tarantino and also Jango Unchained is one of my favorite films.

[00:47:08]>> Yeah, I [ __ ] hate that [ __ ] I hate him.

[00:47:11]>> Oh, I hate Tarantino.

[00:47:12]>> I hate Tarantino, but Pulp Fiction bangs.

[00:47:17]>> I love me a good I love a good and glorious bastards wash through >> literally like it it I I encourage people to just be haters.

[00:47:29]>> Critically hate. Critically hate.

[00:47:32]You can you can look at and even even if this movie turns out to be a big flop and it's really bad and boring, that's fine.

[00:47:41]>> Interrogate why it's bad.

[00:47:42]>> Interrogate why. Don't just be like, "Aha, I knew I was right to be on the side that hates people.

[00:47:50]>> You're a dork.

[00:47:52]Just be a hater.

[00:47:54]>> You're hating weird. Just be a hater."

[00:47:57]All right, let's watch the rest of this [ __ ] trailer.

[00:48:02]Bringing vengeance.

[00:48:06]>> Bringing it all.

[00:48:08]>> Let's go.

[00:48:10]>> All right. And then right there, let's go. Some people are like, I can't believe he said let's go.

[00:48:17]Isn't it wild? Cuz I I don't know. As someone who we've read a lot of like classical lit, I find it interesting how easily people are supposedly pulled out of like the moment from like dialogue. They're like, "Oh, this is too modern." I'm like, "This is wild." Cuz I did not have any of this reaction at all when I initially >> watched it. I also think that like some of that is a choice and and I not to sound like Kanye West but I in um Dune Denaloo's uh Dune with Timothy Shalomé there is this moment that my friends and I reference all the time and has become shorthand for anacronistic language and it is the scene in which you you you you've seen Dune. Yeah.

[00:49:12]>> NO, >> YOU HAVEN'T SEEN DUNE.

[00:49:15]>> We we can talk about why I haven't seen it yet further than Office Hours.

[00:49:19]>> Okay, put that in. Put a pin in that.

[00:49:20]Come check out Office hours. But there's this scene where he's like he had to camp in the sand with his mom and then he had to like he burrows out and when he steps out he turns to help her and he goes, "You good?"

[00:49:36]Right.

[00:49:37]>> And it's so funny because it's like I don't know man. This is supposed to be the year like 13,000 or something. You good? Just feels really annocy to me.

[00:49:52]>> Yeah.

[00:49:52]>> I imagine if they would have had the Dune trailer and they just happened to like show that scene. Yeah.

[00:49:58]>> I think everybody would be super [ __ ] pissed.

[00:50:02]they would have been like a look at look at this annistic ass language into look at this there but thankfully that didn't happen and the movie already has come out and I don't know how may like who knows how this movie will genuinely play out when it comes out in July or whatever right we are acting as if this is the totality of the film when it isn't >> isn't it going to be like three and a half hours >> it's probably going to be billion years long it's so long. I'm sure >> I hope there's an intermission, please.

[00:50:33]>> Uh, there won't be. Bring back intermissions.

[00:50:37]>> I will say though, uh, quick, uh, there's an app called pee times for my pee friends, and it'll people will upload like the best moments to pee, you know, without missing like anything major. And it is helpful.

[00:50:52]>> Yeah.

[00:50:53]>> That sounds like a fake app they'd have on like a Nickelodeon sitcom.

[00:50:57]>> Not this. It's It's real. I have it.

[00:50:59]Wow.

[00:51:00]>> I just Yeah.

[00:51:01]>> Not sponsored. Not sponsored.

[00:51:03]>> Yeah. Um, this it's also not called like the P app, but if I if you look it up, it's going to pop up.

[00:51:09]>> Okay. Weird. Um, but yeah, I think you guys are uh hating wrong. All right, let's finish this.

[00:51:18]>> July 17th.

[00:51:27]I need everyone already dead.

[00:51:31]>> I can still see.

[00:51:32]>> Robert, he he does look hot.

[00:51:35]>> Yeah, >> you're a man who needs to control his fate.

[00:51:38]>> Chalice the road, >> but you cannot control this.

[00:51:42]>> Please capture No, never mind.

[00:51:44]>> That world is gone.

[00:51:49]>> No one could stand between me and home.

[00:51:55]Now, these are the gods.

[00:51:57]>> Yeah. My The biggest complaint that I have from what I've seen thus far, I just wish there were more colors.

[00:52:03]>> Yeah.

[00:52:04]>> I wish there was more colors.

[00:52:07]>> Christopher Nolan has never been one to like color grade a hoe.

[00:52:15]>> Yeah, >> just a little more color.

[00:52:18]>> Yeah. Yeah, I wish I wish there was more color, but um who who knows? Maybe we get to the film and there's a bunch of colors and it's just not shown in the >> no way to judge it from fully from two minutes.

[00:52:29]>> Literally impossible to judge the movie fully. It if the trailer changes whether or not you're going to go see it, that's valid. You could watch a trailer and be like, "Doesn't seem like my thing. Mhm. I think it's going to be not my not worth my time. Great.

[00:52:50]But that doesn't feel like what people are saying.

[00:52:54]>> No, because a lot of what they're saying is has to do with this uh this attachment or this idea of what the Odyssey means to them specifically. And also, let's be real, >> there's a certain kind of dude that romanticizes uh ancient Greek and Rome in a very specific way.

[00:53:13]>> Yeah. And um I think a lot of coming out about the movie is like >> insensing them from the translator to like Travis Scott being in it to uh what else to Elliot Paige being rumored to play Achilles. It's it's just almost like it's like whoa this this movie's woke.

[00:53:33]>> Yeah.

[00:53:33]>> The Odyssey is not supposed to be >> at its core. I I think that's what it is. I think people are hyper vigilant especially with a film that is this high budget that is this public right it's it's it is probably going to be the blockbuster of the summer whether it's good or not it's it's probably going to make a bajillion dollars >> for sure >> and if you look at the tra like just look at the casting Damon Anne Hathaway Tom Holland Zena Rob Patterson like there are there is heat on the casting sheet and Christopher Nolan had a huge year a couple years ago. Oppenheimer was huge.

[00:54:20]>> Barbie >> Barbenheimr was great. I did the Barbenheimr. I loved it.

[00:54:25]>> I couldn't do that [ __ ] but I did watch the >> You You can do it. We'll do the Barbenheimer at some point. Like I I want I think the Barbenheimr is a thing to do regularly. Not yet though. I don't think it's been enough time. But I want to do like a five years bar Barb bar andheimer.

[00:54:42]>> Yeah, it's too soon still.

[00:54:44]>> It's too it's too soon to do it. But eventually I want to do it.

[00:54:48]I think I think people it you're you're right about the Odyssey thing, right? Because um uh you were also showing me like like a lot of people have been really critical about so Odyssey has been translated >> Yes. a billion times because its original language doesn't exist English.

[00:55:09]Fun fact, >> it it is a Greek and not just Greek, ancient Greek. That Greek doesn't exist anymore, right? And so it's been translated after like translation after translation after translation. And the most recent one, well, maybe not the most recent, but the one that is the like standard, excuse me, I'm so sorry, standard now is the Emily Wilson translation, which gets a lot of the like similar backlash as like the way people talk about Christopher Nolan, though it is different because it is gendered.

[00:55:48]>> Yes.

[00:55:49]Are you pulling it up?

[00:55:51]>> Yeah, I was pulling it up because I didn't realize it was also like the first um complete version. Oh. Oh, by a woman.

[00:56:01]But yeah, the first >> complete version by a woman. Um, also it uses amic pentameter >> which is uh >> which is very interesting. So I'm sure it's like flows very poetically. But it was interesting how they were like why they think the translation is bad and that's how the uh the shift of ma you could tell the shift of masculinity.

[00:56:24]>> Yeah.

[00:56:25]>> Um from like earlier iterations >> versus how it's depicted in this translation.

[00:56:31]>> Most most uh uh the thing about the translation that is most discussed is the complicated man bit. Uh uh the Odyssey begins with like most epics at the time like or most like epic uh uh like plays and or epic poems at the time begin with an ortor or a chorus calling out to the muses to give them a story.

[00:57:00]Most of them have some sort of invocation of the muse, right? And uh uh in multiple of the versions, it begins with like, "Hey Muse, tell me about this man that like was that had to wander back home from all this stuff." And the way that the Emily Wilson translation starts is, "Tell me about a complicated man."

[00:57:26]And that line has caused a lot of strife.

[00:57:32]Specifically, the word complicated.

[00:57:35]>> Yes. very interesting because I'm like what a great way to describe him.

[00:57:43]>> And I think the way that people read Emily Wilson as adjusting in her translation, uh I don't want to say it's because she's a woman, but I'm confident it is influenced by the fact that she's a woman.

[00:57:58]>> They also think of her as like this liberal uh like ah she's liberal hair, blue, nose pierced. And so the way that she translated uh uh uh people think that she is undermining >> is the word I saw.

[00:58:13]>> Belittling Odysius.

[00:58:17]And I never felt that way at all. as a as a person that probably has more uh uh uh exposure to this text than a lot of the people complaining, I think you're I think you're misreading it because like like we were saying before, uh I think the way people like to lean onto Odicius is as this man who cannot be stopped, this man that is brilliant and strong and cunning and and is talented at everything he does. This this John Doe or No, hold on. Not John Doe. What's the word?

[00:59:00]What's the word? When it's when it's like a woman and they can do anything immediately and they have no issues. They call Daisy. They called uh Ray that in Star Wars.

[00:59:14]Uh, Ray Star Wars.

[00:59:29]Mary Sue. Mary Sue.

[00:59:31]>> Oh, yes.

[00:59:32]>> Okay. Yeah, >> that's they that's kind of what Odysius is. He's just this guy that's good at everything, right? Um, but if you look at the events, he [ __ ] up at every single turn.

[00:59:46]>> Like he was with How long was he with Cersei? I mean, with like >> that was a part of the plan.

[00:59:53]>> Like >> got all his men killed.

[00:59:54]>> Gets all his like he he he is a flawed man, >> but that isn't accounted for in the same It's not that it's not accounted for.

[01:00:05]That doesn't have the same kind of weight as it would now.

[01:00:10]And in Emily Wilson's translation, where uh where people would describe her as belittling Odysius, I would describe it as humanizing him.

[01:00:20]>> That's that's the perfect way to describe it.

[01:00:22]>> He is he is a man that is lost.

[01:00:25]Literally lost. He can't get home.

[01:00:28]He He is like not desperate. Desperate is not the word. There's almost a mourning to there's a consistent mourning to the years lost that follow him around.

[01:00:43]There's a man that that is like cursed and troubled and struggling and missing his wife and son that the son that he hasn't met.

[01:00:56]And it's hard to capture these things that I think we as a society have learned to value in masculine uh uh characters while also going look at how cool and awesome he is and he does everything right.

[01:01:11]>> Yeah.

[01:01:14]And I I also think that idea that people hold of Odysius as this like person that can do anything already has a contemporary model and that is Superman.

[01:01:31]And I don't think Odysius should be Superman.

[01:01:36]Right.

[01:01:37]>> I I completely agree.

[01:01:38]>> And I not Yeah. Go ahead. I was going to keep talking.

[01:01:42]>> Oh, no. That's all I had to say. He's not.

[01:01:44]>> And I think it's interesting that this conflation of hum humanizing Odysius is also being conflated to this idea of like emasculation.

[01:01:54]>> Yeah. Which I also think like just thinking about Superman, there is that long stretch really up until the David Cornsweet uh uh uh James Gun Superman last year where most iterations of Superman had him being super murder killer guy, >> right? Hardcore like brutal, right? and and we got more what if Superman but bad stories in popular culture than we got Superman stories in popular culture.

[01:02:29]>> It is only recently that we like >> both of them >> and a lot of them sucked, >> right? It it is only recently that we're kind of finding the good the goodness wholesome uh uh willing to save everyone Superman.

[01:02:46]And that is not Odysius at all.

[01:02:50]>> Cuz guess what?

[01:02:52]What does Odysius want to do? And what separates him from the average superhero? He just wants to go home.

[01:02:59]>> He just wants to go home.

[01:03:02]If and and this this comparison doesn't do a good job anyway either. But as a man, especially since his intellect is his driving force in the face of these monsters, >> not his body, >> he's closer to Batman.

[01:03:19]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:03:20]>> Batman is a complicated man. He is mourning his life. He is he is reacting to his circumstance. He is obsessive, right? He's a [ __ ] weirdo when you break it down. I love him, but he's a little freak.

[01:03:36]>> And that's why we love him.

[01:03:37]>> I agree.

[01:03:38]>> And I think that's why we why you should love Odysius.

[01:03:42]>> I agree.

[01:03:44]I think if I think if what you covet is this all powerful masculine figure that can do no wrong and also isn't like nice and kind like Superman.

[01:04:06]I I don't know what to tell you.

[01:04:09]I I think those guys exist. They just already exist in other movies. You want to watch Bruce Willis movies? You want to watch like Die Hard?

[01:04:18]>> Uh, top is like actually I don't I don't know much about Tom Cruz, but like a top like a Top Gun >> kind of a little bit.

[01:04:25]>> Don't Don't get mad at me. Top Tom Tom Cruz boys.

[01:04:28]>> And even if you look at those like those kinds of movies are kind of gone like in favor of the superhero movie. The closest one to that is what like Glenn Powell movies now.

[01:04:39]>> Yeah. Not too much on Glen Powell. I like him.

[01:04:43]>> Oh, you can keep that. That's all you.

[01:04:45]That's all you. I don't know. It it just it just feels like people, many of which I'm willing to bet it's been a while since I've read since they've read the Odyssey, have this idea of the Odyssey that doesn't exist, didn't exist, shouldn't exist now.

[01:05:10]And they're using that as a way to explain why they are haters without describing themselves as haters.

[01:05:24]And I don't mean that to be dismissive.

[01:05:27]Just be a hater. Hate on the [ __ ] Do it from the position of I don't like it. I think it's whack.

[01:05:36]instead of doing it from the position of it is inherently morally wrong because what does that do? Who does that help? I guess it helps you feel better.

[01:05:49]Meanwhile, Christopher Nolan's making a billion dollars. Like I I don't know.

[01:05:54]>> He doesn't give a [ __ ] >> Little throwback to the pur the Puritans. They loved it. They would have loved the good moralistic uh hating on >> I there's this there's this like Tik Tok that's been going around that's like like this generation would have loved the Salem witch trials.

[01:06:11]>> They would have >> cuz this is that's that's what we're doing.

[01:06:15]>> Yes. We we have issues in our own life and instead of addressing the social economic uh uh issues that are actively affecting us, we're finding a woman and throwing rocks at her metaphorically.

[01:06:33]Oh, and sometimes literally, but mostly metaphorically.

[01:06:37]And we don't have to do that. You don't have to like the Odyssey. Honestly, from what I've seen, it's probably going to be okay.

[01:06:46]I'm willing to bet it's going to be fine.

[01:06:49]It might be bad. I think he has it in him to have a bad movie.

[01:06:56]So what?

[01:07:02]Anyway, where can they find us, Leah?

[01:07:05]>> You could find us on any place that they have podcasts as well as YouTube at Patreon.

[01:07:13]>> Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Uh-huh. And on Patreon, for $5 a month, you get access to office hours, our show after the show, where we're a little looser, a little riskier, and consume a little legal substance.

[01:07:24]Uh, just a lot more fun. After the pod, if you want to know what that's about, here's a little sneak peek. It seems like Jacob Ory is the front runner to be the next James Bond. He is so tall. He is so tall.

[01:07:36]>> He's a tall ass. I don't know, make his romantic lead really tall.

[01:07:38]>> And maybe they'll do the reverse of like Tom Cruz.

[01:07:41]>> Oh, cuz Tom Cruz is really short.

[01:07:42]Kazakus is really short and they have him stand on platform shoes and shoe boxes and [ __ ] >> Just [ __ ] make everyone else in the movie.

[01:07:50]>> Just like every actor has to be giga tall so he's not that much taller than everyone else. If you can afford $5 a month, please do us the courtesy of setting us that way. Uh if not, please like, comment, subscribe the video, and until we see you next, stay black, stay nerdy, and read books.

[01:08:09]>> Please read.

[01:08:10]>> Please read. Please read books. Go read the Odyssey. Go read the Odyssey translation. Go read Go read Emily Wilson's version of the Odyssey. I promise you I think it bangs.

[01:08:20]>> I think it's I think it's quality.

[01:08:22]>> Stop judging it based on this post compiled by 4chan bros.

[01:08:28]>> Darn you. Darn you 4chan bros.