Lady Logic COOKS 12 Muslim Women on the Trinity!

Ajouté : 2026-05-24

[00:00:00]All right, guys. So, all right, everyone. We're going to check out this debate. We've got Christina, aka Lady Logic, that's God Logic's wife, and um was a really big uh really big four v four um Christian women versus Muslim women debate last year. You had a bunch of Muslims actually saying that um the women who represented Islam in that debate must have been plants. They must have been completely caught off guard, and it's not like one was a professor, the other was a Quran teacher, and stuff like that. And um and the prompts were given them, the topics were given to them like uh something like weeks ahead of time or something like that. So, there's just kind of there's kind of no excuse uh along those lines. But, you did have you did have a lot of Muslims saying they wanted um they wanted some different women uh showing up to the debate. So, Christina decided to show up by herself, by herself versus uh 20 Muslim women. Um then eight got a little bit scared, a little bit scared, and didn't show up, and then 12 brave warrior women um showed up. No, I think they're they're they're they're doing something along they're doing something similar to that uh Jubilee thing. Although, I think they're doing it better. I think they're doing it better here. And um I still want I really really want a show with a Muslim surrounded by 30 uh Indians or Pakistanis, and we want it called Zooted.

[00:01:35]Want a show called Zooted.

[00:01:38]But, like intellectually zooted. Like, the Muslim just says all the silly things, and then these uh Indians and Pakistanis just shoot everything down, shoot everything down.

[00:01:48]Cora's Cora's in that, right? Cuz I I listened to it. I listened to it. Um She's the red ninja yesterday.

[00:01:54]She's the red ninja.

[00:01:57]Here we go, guys.

[00:02:00]This is There's There was just a a little intro by um Dr. Daff, and then they jump right They jump right into the first prompt. So, here's the first prompt.

[00:02:12]Is the Trinity biblical? Let's check it out.

[00:02:14]Okay, so my first prompt is the Trinity is biblical.

[00:02:21]Enter the red ninja. Oh, okay. Yeah, again, I listened to it. I did not see this. So, this is how it goes.

[00:02:29]It's like, what are they waiting on? I'm Christina.

[00:02:32]I'm Sawa.

[00:02:33]I'm Sister Fatima.

[00:02:35]I'm Cora. Okay.

[00:02:37]All right, so my first prompt is the Trinity is biblical, and I really wanted to talk about this because often times I see whenever Muslims are discussing the Trinity, they go to philosophy, or they'll go to the church fathers, but I wanted to have a discussion about whether or not the Trinity is demonstrated in scripture. So, the Bible says that there is one God, one divine essence, and there are three divine persons, the Holy Spirit, the Son, and the Father.

[00:03:12]So, I just wanted to discuss that with you guys.

[00:03:16]Okay.

[00:03:18]Do you guys disagree with that?

[00:03:20]Absolutely. I believe that classical Trinitarianism is not reflected throughout the Bible. So, I would ask you agree So, >> [laughter] >> I don't want to interrupt. So, this is This is Cora, right, guys? In the red?

[00:03:33]Yep. Yeah, that's Cora.

[00:03:34]>> Okay, so that Okay, that does make sense.

[00:03:36]>> She's wearing Malachi's colors, so Yeah, so Yeah, that's been you I I don't I don't mean like a blood reference. I mean like he actually told her to wear these colors. Yeah, so guys, this is uh Malachi. Malachi tells the women under his control that he has who who knows what kind of dirt on them, um, to keep them under control.

[00:03:55]Uh, but yeah, he tells them, "Hey, don't just go out, you know, in all black and stuff.

[00:04:01]Brighten things up. Get more attention on yourself like that." Interesting. All right, so, just backed it up real quick.

[00:04:06]Let's do. Guys.

[00:04:08]Perfect.

[00:04:11]Do you guys disagree with that?

[00:04:13]Absolutely. I believe that classical Trinitarianism is not reflected throughout the Bible. So, I would ask You agree that Trinitarianism is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and they are all one in essence, however distinct in personhood. Absolutely. You did a great job of explaining what that is.

[00:04:28]>> And they're coeternal, co- That was awesome. I have to say, um, yeah, this is another like dimension to watching women. Um, they're really good at that kind of stuff, and they're like >> [laughter] >> It's really funny. Really funny. It's like being polite, but it's like sticking it to them really hard.

[00:04:45]That's what I mean. That was like That was actually brutal, right? That was brutal, but she's super nice while I'm doing it. You did She was like she was talking to a toddler. You did a really good job. Great job, honey. Here's a sticker.

[00:05:00]>> [laughter] >> Let's see. Here's a sticker, yeah.

[00:05:04]Here's Here's [laughter] a sticker.

[00:05:06]All right.

[00:05:08]All right, I backed it up a little bit.

[00:05:09]Let's see.

[00:05:10]One divine essence.

[00:05:12]And there are three divine persons, the Holy Spirit, the Son, and the Father.

[00:05:18]So, I just wanted to discuss that with you guys.

[00:05:22]Perfect.

[00:05:24]Do you guys disagree with that?

[00:05:26]Absolutely. I believe that classical Trinitarianism is not reflected throughout the Bible. So, I would ask You agree that Trinitarianism is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and they are all one in essence, however distinct in personhood. Absolutely. You did a great job of explaining what that is.

[00:05:42]>> and they're coeternal, consubstantial.

[00:05:44]They all possess the same mind. They all have the same power, and so on and so forth, but they have distinctions in terms of their hypostatic properties, right?

[00:05:50]>> Absolutely. Okay, perfect. And you believe that the Bible teaches that all three of them are equal in essence?

[00:05:57]Absolutely. So, for instance, in Nehemiah 9:6, it says that you alone are Yahweh. So, that is the personal name of God in the Bible.

[00:06:07]However, the Holy Spirit, the Son, and the Father are all called Yahweh.

[00:06:13]So, how can this be God's personal name alone and yet there are three that are identified as Yahweh? Okay. And um again, I did listen to this. I noticed one woman sounded more intelligent than the rest or more knowledgeable or something like that, and that was Kora here. Uh the others, it's kind of like it was actually really frustrating because it's like, why aren't you addressing the topic? Why are you just talking about anything that pops into your head? And then just like the complete nonsense. I remember someone's like, well, you know, Constantine invented the Trinity. I'm like, oh my goodness, man. Seriously? Like like Dawa from 1995 or something like that. Pretty crazy. Pretty crazy.

[00:06:54]identified as Yahweh.

[00:06:56]Okay, perfect. So, would you say that in Nehemiah, it's addressing God's divine essence or one of the persons as you alone? What is Nehemiah 9:6 addressing?

[00:07:06]It's addressing God. So, we know that God, the term, is not univocal, right?

[00:07:11]So, it can refer to the divine essence or it can refer to the persons that have the divine essence. So, in Nehemiah 9:6, it's talking about the personal name of God.

[00:07:23]So, no one else, it says you alone.

[00:07:26]So, no one else should bear that name.

[00:07:28]Do you guys agree? I haven't heard from you two yet.

[00:07:31]Um so, my first question to you puts Kora on hold.

[00:07:38]You sit there for a moment. Ruminate on that. I'll I'll talk to you the others.

[00:07:43]Um I mean it kind of makes sense if it's if three or if it's three or four at a time, um then so it's basically 12 and then whoever they think are the I guess the best on this topic will come forward. Whoever is most confident will come forward for this and so on. So Yeah, you want to hear the uh want to hear from the others? Let's And if Oh my goodness. Um again, I don't know who was who cuz I was listening and not watching, but I know this goes downhill really fast in terms of just going off topic, but let's see if this is where it happens.

[00:08:12]>> I I just want to I just want to say Oh yeah, do you want to go, Anthony?

[00:08:15]Yeah, go ahead. Well, before we move on from this real quick, she does a good job of just sort of putting it down.

[00:08:23]Yeah. But it's a it's it's something that Christians should be aware of, this this way of arguing. Uh it's very popular today among Unitarians. It has been for a bit, but it's been picking up steam. It seems like Muslims ever ready, you know, like Muhammad the ear, they're listening to their Unitarian co-religionists and, you know, borrowing their arguments. So, Anthony Buzzard back in the day, uh he's gotten quite old now, so he's an he's an old Buzzard, but Anthony Buzzard [laughter] >> Yeah. I didn't know he was still alive.

[00:08:55]>> to debate him back when he was still a uh you know, more of a s- uh younger guy, but anyway, so Uh he popularized this. He So, he he'll say things like uh the Hebrew Bible contains 20,000 singular >> Right.

[00:09:11]describing God. And so, you know, what do you do with this as a Trinitarian?

[00:09:16]There's just no recovery from this. And and he usually repeats it like a mantra.

[00:09:21]He's he's trying to just, you know, drive it home and so forth. And it gets some traction. It sounds good, right?

[00:09:26]There are a lot of Unitarians who use this. Uh Dustin Smith recently tried to use this tact in his debate with James White. But what one of the problems, aside from what Christina already mentioned uh is that this just especially when they try and bring up the Hebrew and stuff like that to to give it you know a little added punch.

[00:09:49]It's a superficial point because it it ignores how Hebrew works. So it's very common in Hebrew for a singular pronoun to refer to multiple subjects in one way or another.

[00:10:02]There's there's different things going on but let me just give you an example of this. So this is This is from Numbers 21.

[00:10:10]It says when the Canaanite the king of Arad who lived in the Negev heard that Israel was coming.

[00:10:17]So he's referring to the nation but in it's literally the verb here is he was coming. When he heard that Israel was coming by the way of Atharim then he fought against Israel and took some of him captive.

[00:10:30]Right? You notice that it's referring not to the whole nation but to individuals within the nation but they're referred to as him or at least the nation as such it says he took some of him captive.

[00:10:43]So in in Hebrew there's this idea of corporate solidarity. You could have there's a one and many principle where sometimes singular terms are used to refer to a collective right? There are all kinds of different things going on grammatically. So this this whole line of argumentation is not as sophisticated as it seems.

[00:11:03]But anyways if you're looking for a quick answer I you know what Christina said is the way to go but Yeah go ahead Jay. Yeah yeah I want to say that as well like that argument is is so there's like so many different ways to go about showing and demonstrating the Trinity in the Bible. This is a great way and that the all all of the persons share the divine name Yahweh. So you have like uh know, for example like Joel 2 and Romans 10 and you know, the Yahweh text there being applied to Jesus and then you have, you know, Isaiah 6 and um Acts 28 and Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 10 Yahweh text being applied to the Holy Spirit.

[00:11:51]And so, you look at that and you say, "Okay, Father's being called Yahweh, the Son is being called Yahweh, the Holy Spirit is being called Yahweh." And you know, like she is pointing out here that Yahweh is the one true God. Uh and uh I think that Korah thinks that by getting Christina to kind of answer and say, like if it let's say like if it's just addressing if if only the Father is being addressed, that that somehow would exclude the Son and and exclude the Holy Spirit. And it's kind of similar to how they use John 17, you know, um in John 17 they'll often say like, "Oh, you know, the one the only true God." And like that's that's the Father, the only true God. That's not an exclusion to the Son or the Holy Spirit. So, um no matter what Christina answers there, it doesn't actually address her point that every single person, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are called Yahweh. Whether or not it's the Father, whether or not it's the Son, or whether or not it's the Holy Spirit and Nehemiah specifically being set being called, you know, "You alone are Yahweh." Uh it's not uh like Yahweh this this uh the name is shared by all three. So, whoever, you know, ya they they share the same nature that she said they have the same nature, the same divine essence. Um so, this is more of kind of like a John 17 move than um addressing the actual point that you have all three persons being identified as Yahweh.

[00:13:19]All right, we're ready to continue. All right, guys, get ready to have your minds blown.

[00:13:25]Okay.

[00:13:25]>> By the next Muslim woman. It's it's weird. I I kind of um uh I don't know. What do you prefer? Do you prefer people going uh totally off topic and saying really stupid stuff or like it seems like Corah would be the best of those three. So, um Yeah, I almost what I don't know. It's it's weird, right?

[00:13:46]Cuz okay, you're saying a bunch of dumb stuff. So, it's good it's good that people are saying the dumb stuff that convinced you that Islam is true.

[00:13:56]This the the nonsense that you bought when some Dawah guy was giving you the Dawah script and you weren't able you never bothered to critically examine it and so on versus someone who is at least going to be addressing the topic, which Corah was Corah was trying to do. So, but anyway, we'll see.

[00:14:11]>> Trying Yeah, trying to. Yeah. Let's see.

[00:14:13]Um By the way, I was actually curious where she was going with um she had like a series of questions that she was kind of talking about classical Trinitarianism. I would I would I was assuming that she was going to like that was going to lead up to a to a to an objection or something and I don't know if she ever actually said that or not.

[00:14:30]Let's see.

[00:14:32]My question to you would be what is uh the term what does that Trinity mean? And what is the origin of the word? Okay, so that's a great question.

[00:14:45]Trinity means one divine essence and three divine persons and we derive that from scripture. That's why I made my prompt the way that I did cuz I want to focus on whether or not we see this in the Bible and it's going to come in handy in our conversation later.

[00:15:01]So, that's why I wanted to focus on do you disagree that in the Bible we see three that are Yahweh?

[00:15:09]But over and over and over again, it says there is one God. How do you guys reconcile that?

[00:15:17]Hey.

[00:15:17]>> [laughter] >> You know it's funny, I just thought it'd be funny if like Junior were there and he'd be asking, "Where is the word triune?

[00:15:26]Do [snorts] you agree that that God is triune? I challenge you to show me the word triune in the scripture." You seen that before, Anthony?

[00:15:35]You know what even though That's that's about all I've ever seen of Junior.

[00:15:39]Yeah. Oh, you guys are you guys going to be in for a surprise. I don't know if I'll leave I'll leave it for that then.

[00:15:45]You guys going to be in for a surprise.

[00:15:46]Oh. I did see a few parts of Junior verse uh IP.

[00:15:52]But yeah, not much. So, his claim to fame No, that that was his debate with Avery. His debate with Avery. Yeah, no.

[00:16:00]I'm saying so that's I saw that and then I saw some small things with with IP.

[00:16:05]So, for me what just sticks out is you know, triune cuz I I remember hearing it and thinking, "What is he saying?" I don't you know.

[00:16:13]>> [laughter] >> He you know the the the there's something clever about that. I'm not suggesting that Junior's actually clever or smart. But imagine you know, you you say things wrong or in bizarre ways and you leave the other person you know, just sort of like, "What in the world's he talking about?" So, it makes the other person look like they're dumb, right? Like >> [laughter] >> Yeah.

[00:16:37]See, this guy doesn't even know what I'm talking about.

[00:16:40]Yeah.

[00:16:41]So, you guys are going to be in for a surprise.

[00:16:43]>> Avery was confused at first. He's like, "What?"

[00:16:46]>> [laughter] >> Triune? Is he triune? Huh? What?

[00:16:50]Uh All right. Let's see how this lady answers. Is it biblical? Is it biblical or not?

[00:16:56]Well, number one, as a Muslim, I want to say in the name of God, the beneficent, the most merciful. I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger. And as a believer in that and according to what we believe, we believe in the oneness of God that is also represented it the book of Genesis.

[00:17:16]Right? God is one. That's one of the first commandments of any Christian.

[00:17:20]However, >> Hey Anthony, I see you grinning.

[00:17:24]Why don't you just hold your grins to yourself for a few seconds and then we'll let you jump in cuz I was thinking I think Anthony probably has some things to say if she's going to Genesis. Right, it would have been one thing to say for it it would have been a problem enough. It would have been a problem enough just to say that Islam Islam is this cuz you got all kinds of problems there but then and in Genesis Oh my goodness. But it it sounds like she's she's trying to cite the Shema but ascribing it to Genesis.

[00:17:53]>> Yes, that's what she did. Yeah.

[00:17:54]>> And like she doesn't even know where these things are found and then she talks about the first commandments.

[00:17:59]And again, if she's still thinking this is what's found in Genesis.

[00:18:03]That's the way it sounds to me but uh yeah, anyway, so Yeah.

[00:18:08]Mhm. Yeah, so um probably confused there conflating Genesis with Torah in general but yeah, there's other books in there's other books in the Torah.

[00:18:20]Um I'm I'm not sure if if she's married or not.

[00:18:24]I'm not a match maker or anything like that but her and Junior you guys are going to see there they might have you know, something in common so we'll see.

[00:18:32]Hey Junior, we found a match for you buddy. Let's see. So there are a lot of things that have been misperceived and misunderstood but God says in the Holy Quran that none knows the interpretation save him and the ones that he has anointed with the word. So that's why I asked where do you believe the word Trinity originates from because that word doesn't exist in any version of the Bible. But the word Trinity, right? From my research and from my belief is that that word was originated from a man named Constantine and if you're familiar with him and the Nicene Creed, there was a council of men, right? And Constantine, let's talk a little bit about his history.

[00:19:11]Constantine was originally a pagan worshiper and then he converted to Christianity because the Roman Empire at the time it needed strength but the Romans were sun god worshipers and so he knew after he accepted Christianity that he would have to enter a mix paganism with Christianity in order for Rome to take Christianity as the religion.

[00:19:35]>> much for >> [laughter] >> Anthony, um Oh.

[00:19:40]>> What? In that in that entire little rant right there, um what was apart from there was an emperor named Constantine who was previously a pagan, um how much did she get correct?

[00:19:57]Well, none of the rest as far as I can recollect. [laughter] >> the rest.

[00:20:00]It's like it's like when Muslims argue like uh scientific miracles and stuff and you go through what the Quran actually says and it's like, "Okay, apart from there is a sun and there is a moon and there are stars, what did he get right about the universe?" Like what? Cuz everything else is wrong.

[00:20:18]That's kind of what it is. Um my goodness. But By the way, I I've I've heard people try to make this connection before uh and I don't know if this is what she was doing but I I've heard people, you know, like her kind of talk about this before and they kind of link um like sun god worship like like using English words >> yeah. And they don't realize Yeah, I heard that I've heard that thousands of times. Thousands of times. It was really big in prison. And so they worship the sun and so they had the they had to go with Jesus the sun to replace the sun.

[00:20:49]It's like, "You know that only works in English, right? Because the word Uh it's really really >> Avery's in the chat um and Christina must be there too cuz he's a >> [laughter] >> Where where's Avery? Where's Avery? I got to cuz that's a funny comment.

[00:21:04]Uh Uh, here we go.

[00:21:05]>> Shout out uh Avery.

[00:21:07]>> She just cooked Christina with that.

[00:21:08]Yeah, he cooked cooked her with that.

[00:21:10]So, guys, anyway, notice she just said something and there were probably like 20 factually false She spoke for like a a little like a minute and a half or something like that. Probably 20 factually false things. Um, what she said about what she said about the Bible, what she said about history, church history, the origin of the word Trinity. Everything is completely wrong.

[00:21:30]There would be a really strong tendency to say, "Okay, you said this, it was wrong. You said that, it was wrong.

[00:21:37]Let's talk about Constantine cuz what you just said was complete nonsense. No, that's not where the word Trinity came from."

[00:21:43]None of that is the topic though. None of that's the topic.

[00:21:47]So, watch what Christina does here in response.

[00:21:49]>> No. No, wait. Befo- before we go, so she's definitely navigating through this, right? She's got limited time frame and stuff. We're not similarly constrained, but That is correct. one thing just one thing just to throw in is, you know, this sounds good, right?

[00:22:04]You somebody says something like, "Here's the emperor. He's running the show. He's got this iron fist and here's all these little cowering Christians and they're basically going to buckle to whatever he wants, right? So, he's got this agenda to unite the empire and he's going to get the Christians to be syncretists and mix Christianity with paganism and so forth." But, what this doesn't reflect is what you'd learn after 6 minutes of study, right? So, she's apparently done five or less. But, after 6 minutes of study, you find out that the Christians who attended the council were people who came out of a prior persecution known as the great persecution under Diocletian. And so, when you look at accounts of the Council of Nicaea and the description of the bishops that are attending it, it's it's really rather remarkable. You The descriptions are people coming Yeah, they've been tortured. Yeah, some of them had been hamstrung, right?

[00:22:59]That's where why cut your Achilles tendon and stuff and you can't like you can't walk and stuff like that. These guys had been horribly persecuted um and had just gone through it all.

[00:23:10]And yeah, and then people Constantine Here's what you could Here's the relevance of Constantine. Constantine as a Roman Emperor, he wanted order. He wanted He wanted order, didn't want chaos and stuff like that. And so, it's What does he do? He brings them together. You guys You guys figure this out. You guys figure this out and come up with with with your official positions on these issues.

[00:23:33]Um why? Because for the first couple centuries, Christianity's persecuted, you Christians just weren't in a position to get together for for a big council and Christians from different parts different areas and stuff like that. All of a sudden, it becomes a legal religion and you've got the Roman Emperor saying, "Hey, uh you guys get together for for a council."

[00:23:52]And then he does this. That's his actual role and as you see, he invented the Trinity.

[00:23:56]Oh my goodness.

[00:23:57]Uh but watch it watch how Christina res- sponds right here.

[00:24:01]to all of this nonsense. paganism with Christianity in order for Rome to take Christianity as the religion.

[00:24:09]>> much for sharing that, but the focus of the prompt is whether or not it's biblical. So, I want to talk with you about what's actually >> have put that on my soundboard from uh MORTAL KOMBAT, "GET OVER HERE." THAT'S what she just did, right?

[00:24:25]She said, "That's not THE TOPIC. SO, GET OVER HERE. This is the topic." That was brilliant. Watch that again.

[00:24:30]>> guys.

[00:24:30]>> paganism with Christianity in order for Rome to take Christianity as the religion.

[00:24:36]>> much for sharing that, but the focus of the prompt is whether or not it's biblical.

[00:24:43]So, I want to talk with you about what's actually in scripture.

[00:24:47]>> Right. So, you talked about the teachings of Jesus, right? Mhm. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus says, "Go out and baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit."

[00:24:56]>> Mhm.

[00:24:58]As a Muslim, can you go out and do a religious right in the name of Allah, Muhammad, and Jibril?

[00:25:05]Uh I'm I'm I'm a little confused with your question. You are You are rightly confused, and I I think I did cuz again, I wasn't watching it. I only I think some of them agree that you can, and they didn't catch it. The name the name of Allah, Jibril, and Muhammad.

[00:25:22]Can you do something in the name of Allah, Jibril, and Muhammad as if they're one name?

[00:25:29]Watch this. Can you go out and do a religious right in the name of Allah, Muhammad, and Jibril?

[00:25:36]Uh I'm I'm a little confused with your question uh because you're saying, "Can I go out and do a religious right?" Can you define what that means?

[00:25:44]>> So, can you go out and perform zakat in the name of Muhammad, Jibril, and Allah?

[00:25:50]Allah, yes.

[00:25:51]>> Yeah.

[00:25:52]They just They all said yes. They all believe in a trinity and an Islamic trinity. What? I I couldn't really hear her, but I think she said, "Allah, yes."

[00:26:00]Oh, okay. Okay.

[00:26:02]Okay. I think that's what she said. I saw it cuz two of them were talking at the same time um and I but I saw them nodding. Let me see.

[00:26:09]Allah, Yes.

[00:26:11]Jibril. So, >> Oh, okay. Okay. To be fair, okay. Okay.

[00:26:15]I thought I cuz I saw her nodding and I couldn't kind of hear her cuz her microphone is all the way, you know, down at her belly.

[00:26:20]>> put the mic uh closer. But but um So, yeah, it's it's a good question.

[00:26:24]It's a good question. And actually, this this uh woman in the middle here, she actually started out her speech by saying, "In the name of Allah." So, she literally started out with what Christina was talking about. This kind of like uh taking, you know, God's name and or whether they're making an oath or uh you know, just uh one of the things that Muslims do like before they even before, you know, before you eat food or something, saying, "In the name of Allah." He's saying, "In the name of Allah." And even ex-Muslims uh they they they It's like so drilled into them before they eat food, they still like are like tempted to say in the name of Allah. So, it's something that they know, what she's saying hits home to all the Muslims is what I'm trying to say.

[00:27:02]And so, the question is, okay, you guys all say in the name of Allah, whether it's like a halal slaughter, like you're slaughtering an animal in the name of Allah, can you add on or just tag on Muhammad's name to that? And can you tag on Gabriel's name to that?

[00:27:16]And you know, she's saying no. I imagine Korah said no. I didn't see if she gave an answer or not, but I don't know if this one in the middle got it yet or not. But um the point here is she's, you know, drawing a parallel between Matthew 28:19 and the the baptismal formula in the name, singular, of the Father, of the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And so, if if you can't do that with Allah, invoking Allah's name, singular, with Muhammad and Gabriel, why not?

[00:27:47]Mhm. So, you have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If Father equals God, and you know, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are just, you know, creatures uh or mere creatures or something, but uh you know, You guys You guys get that? You guys get that's that's a powerful, powerful question. Uh if you don't see if you don't see the if you don't see the significance of what Jesus says in Matthew 28, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

[00:28:18]Uh if you don't see the significance there, then can you She gives the example of zakat. Can you pay your zakat in the name of Allah, Jibril, and Muhammad? And they say, "No, no, Allah." Okay, why? Why Why wouldn't Why wouldn't you also do it in the name of Jibril and Muhammad? Why wouldn't you do it in the name of the three? It's like you understand that that would be a huge, huge problem, and that would be you, like, from an Islamic perspective associating partners with Allah. But not only associating partners with Allah, saying that all three of these have the same name, [music] that would kind of be an issue.

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