Raiders Injury Discussion Expert Surgeon Shares Key Insight on Jermod McCoy, Crosby, Wilson, a&More

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[00:00:02]>> Hello everybody. This is Hondo Carpenter, your Las Vegas Raiders beat writer on SI and the host of the Las Vegas Raiders Insider podcast. Thank you all for being with us today. I am thrilled to have this man back on the podcast. It's been a few years, but he is a man that has fundamentally impacted the game of football and professional sports, the medical world. He's also fundamentally impacted my life as a man that I admire, I look up to, I esteem. I have had the privilege of knowing him uh literally for 40 over 40 years and and he is a man that I admire in a million different ways to the point where he is Dexter's grandpa and de Dexter adores the absolute ground that this man walks on and I love him in a million different ways from Tuesday. He is a legendary doctor, the great Lanny Johnson. Dr. Johnson, thank you for joining us today.

[00:01:00]>> Well, I'm appreciated to be here again.

[00:01:02]And let's find out what we got on the agenda.

[00:01:05]>> I got to tell you, Dexter came running down when he heard that I was going to talk to you. I said, Dexter, you can't talk to Grant, but he's going to do a podcast with Daddy. So, he may sneak back in here. If he does, I'll let him say hi. Dr. Johnson, before we get into a Raider perspective, um you are a man that I've shared this story before that pretty much every orthopedic surgeon in the world knows who you are. You were given and you give the credit to the Lord. So, we'll do that publicly for all of your multiple inventions.

[00:01:38]But you you some many doctors have told me you invented arthoscopic surgery. You always correct that and say that you perfected it, but you have fundamentally changed the orthopedic world. Would you talk about your background first, please?

[00:01:56]Okay. Well, uh, I was just a general orthopedic surgeon in a small town with an office across from an 80acre cornfield in, uh, East Lancing, Michigan. But I've always had quite a curiosity. years ago, I uh went to a lot of meetings about sports medicine and I learned that all the sports medicine doctors of that day were 100% correct in their diagnosis. They could look at a patient, put their hand on the knee and they could make the exact diagnosis. I wasn't that good. And so I thought I needed some help. And what happened was that I uh came across the actually in 1970 about uh a small little telescope.

[00:02:37]We'll call it that for back lack of a better word. It's called an arthroscope.

[00:02:41]It gives you a chance to look at one end of the scope and see inside of the joint through a little puncture wound. And a result of that was I was able to overcome my inability to make a diagnosis correctly by seeing in the joint before I started to open the joint by surgery. At those days, we had to cut the joint open maybe a four or six inch incision. Well, anyhow, I from that I then saw better inside the joint than you could outside looking in from outside or feeling the joint and that launched arthoroscopy in my practice although it existed years before but I think I helped popularize it. I was just one of the um pioneers and then I saw the opportunity that not only to look and make a diagnosis but I developed an instrument called motorized instrument that was a rotating cutting suction device that allowed us to put that into the joint and do operations through puncture wounds that before we had to do through incisions. So the end of that that little bit of the story is that I learned that the doctors who were 100% correct weren't really probably telling the truth. And so it came that arthroscopy was absolutely necessary. So two kind of things happened ironically.

[00:04:03]One is uh because the sports athletes, the professionals didn't want to have their knee cut wide open, if they could just have it through punctual wounds and get back to uh playing earlier, that popularized it.

[00:04:18]So, athletes from all over the United States started coming to my practice in East Lancing, Michigan to have surgery.

[00:04:27]And that so that popularized it and the fact that it happened in the athletic realm popularized it to the general public. The public decided well if it's good enough for the athlete why wouldn't I have it this way. Now the other irony of the story which I'll conclude this segment on is that the people most against it in orthopedic surgery were the specialists in sports medicine of that day. They were the most against arthoroscopy. How ironic. Since no one could practice sports medicine today absent using arthoroscopic surgery, >> I can tell you people this. I have had the privilege out in Boston. I got to speak to a orthopedic conference out there because Dr. Johnson uh at his behest and it was funny. I'm here with all these famous athletic doctors from around the world and they were having lunch with them and they were just thrilled that I knew you and it was I'd taken Dr. Johnson before down on the field for a football game and the coach said it was the only time I watched all my doctors go over to get pictures taken or to say hi to somebody during a game.

[00:05:37]They weren't interested in the game. So it's very and again I've had doctors who when they find out that I know him were unbelievable. They've called them the Babe Ruth of orthopedic surgery. Doctor, I I don't know if it's thousands, but I'm I'm sure it's hundreds of athletes you've performed surgery on. I want to ask you about a few of them because they're such famous stories. But when Walter Payton broke the rushing record, he invited you down on the field with him and and and gave high praise for what God did through your practice.

[00:06:09]Would you talk about Walter, please?

[00:06:12]>> Yeah. What what happened was that years ago, this is actually the 1982s thereabout, I operated on a man who was an agent from New Orleans, Louisiana on his knee and he had a successful result.

[00:06:26]I didn't know that he was Walter Payton's agent. So, when Walder had trouble with his knee, the agent called me and said, "Would you see Walter?" And so, I did and had a really good relationship with him. Unfortunately, what was sad is that he'd had a torn cartilage in his knee and had played with a torn cartilage for a number of years, no surgery. And so, he had developed rather severe arthritis in his knee. So, all as I did for him was I debreed all the loose tissue and the loose bodies and cleaned up his knee, so to speak. And then, uh, he was able to return to sports. But we'll have to say this which will be a topic probably we'll discuss later on that uh he never practiced those last two years from 1982 on until they he finally retired. So the reason was that he had a worn bearing his knee and if he spent all the exercise in practice that he would have never played. So when it two years after I operated on him, he knew he was going to set the NFL rushing record against New Orleans and he invited me to be by his side when he did that because he said, "I think you gave me two more years of of being able to play." Uh, and really I didn't do anything particularly special except kind of a remedial treatment to keep him going.

[00:07:52]I remember I think the show was called NFL Today, but I remember watching you.

[00:07:57]I think it was the week later when you were on that show. I think it was with Irv Cross or whatever, but watching you, they had interviewed you for that. I thought it was phenomenal. Another story, I mean, you've done surgery on so many well-known and famous athletes, but another story is a career you saved and you never did surgery. This is one of my favorite stories of yours, Larry Bird.

[00:08:23]>> It's my fa most successful uh work as a surgeon, not doing surgery. What happened? I got a phone call in about September of whatever year it was and they said that Larry Bird, an agent of his called, of course, and he had a swollen elbow that he believed that he hurt in the playoffs in the f in the spring before. and he had they'd seen five doctors in New York and Boston and they all said that he had a chip in his elbow and that they'd have to do surgery and cut it open. But they knew there was a doctor out in the Midwest that no one knew about, but he might be able to do it and take out the chip by arthoscopy by the little puncture wounds. And so I saw Larry Bird and interestingly enough we he brought the X-ray of his elbow and what I recognized was that it probably was not a chip in the elbow. It probably was what we call an extra oicle or extra piece of bone in the tissues adjacent to the joint not in the joint and a congenal anomaly. So I took a picture X-ray of his other elbow exactly the same. And so I advised him that uh he didn't have to worry about delaying his season starting. This was a normal variant and he could go back and start playing right away. And so what's interesting is I've had a chance to learn that uh through other friends that Larry Birdwell remembers that story to go to a surgeon across from 80acre cornfield and he told him they didn't need surgery when all the famous doctors in New York and Boston said that's the way they'd have to do it.

[00:10:04]>> Worked out pretty good for Larry.

[00:10:07]Ladies and gentlemen, as we segue now, we're going to talk about three particular raider. And I want to make something very clear. Dr. Johnson is not their doctor. So, we are going to speak in generalities about these injuries. We are not speaking specifically to the player. He can't do that. He's not their doctor, number one. But with having performed thousands of surgeries, he is well aware about in generalities about injuries. So, we're gonna start with Tyreek Wilson. The Raiders recently traded Tyreek Dr. Johnson to the uh New Orleans Saints in the draft. And when the Raiders picked him, uh he had had an injury uh back in November of 22. It was a Jones injury, a Jones fracture. And I remember when the Raiders took him, you and I talked um privately and you had shared some research with me about that that is a very difficult injury in which to recover from, but I shared with you the Raiders were pretty confident he would have they were going to get back to. And like you said at the time, well, you got to trust your doctors. But I remember you with the research you gave me, you said, I haven't looked at the knee obviously, but man, I think this was risky. And it turned out to be a big risk. They wasted a seventh round, seventh overall pick, not a seventh rounder.

[00:11:33]>> I need to correct.

[00:11:34]>> What is it about a Jones fracture that makes that so difficult to recover from?

[00:11:39]>> Okay, I need to correct that. Correct something. When that first came out, it said that he had a less frank fracture, which is a midfoot fracture with a dislocation. And I made all my statements based upon a list fracture.

[00:11:55]We learned at the time that I'm just telling you what I learned from the newspaper or what >> that he had a Jones fracture. The Jones fracture is not as severe as a list which was advertised what he had when he first came out. So let's first discuss a list frank fracture frack fracture or dislocation which I made my original statements on. I don't know if he had that or if he had a Jones fracture. I don't know the answer. But let's say it was the first one. The first one is there's a separation of the bones with a fracture across the mid portion of the foot which takes a long time to heal.

[00:12:37]And because it's on the for part of the foot, it's what you push off with no matter daily life or whether you're a uh a defensive end. But as a defensive end, it would be necessary for him to push off with the front part of his foot. I thought it would take him a long time to recover.

[00:12:55]And that I made a statement. Now, if he had a Jones fracture, that's much simpler and should have a way that it would heal rather readily. And so, I don't know if he had a Jones fracture and it was healed. Uh I don't think that would be any disability to him going forward. So there must have been some other reasons why uh they decided that he they should be treated and there wouldn't be any reason not to accept him if he had a heel Jones fracture.

[00:13:24]>> Okay.

[00:13:25]>> So that's recently. Okay. Recently the Raiders traded Max Crosby the superstar defensive end and obviously the Baltimore Ravens backed out on the deal.

[00:13:37]That's very public around the NFL. And I know you can't have an opinion on this.

[00:13:41]Around the NFL, I talked with multiple executives in Phoenix at the owner's meetings and and on the phone. Their belief is everyone knew he had the injury. Uh the Raiders made all the medical stuff available that they backed out because they had a chance to get somebody else cheaper. That's not what obviously you can comment on. That's not a medical issue. But the issue was he had a meniscus injury. And recently there was a report by an a reporter and this is what they said. I'm going to read it to you and then I would like your opinion. quote, >> okay, >> I talked to one doctor uh who's very heavily into the injury data who said meniscus repairs have a 50% failure rate after one year, 80% failure rate after four years based upon their data. And again, that doesn't mean the knee falls apart. It's not like a failed ACL reconstruction, but basically it means you're going to have less healthy cartilage in your knee. Your body uh your body cannot generate new healthy cartilage," unquote. Again, that was Tom Bisaro on the Rich Eisen Show.

[00:15:02]Does that sound accurate based upon your experience, sir?

[00:15:05]>> Well, it's incomplete.

[00:15:08]It's incomplete. Let me explain it this way.

[00:15:12]A person has a meniscus tear. It could be a different variety. It could be a little tear of the inner side of the meniscus.

[00:15:21]It could be in an area that has no blood supply in the meniscus or it could be at the periphery of the meniscus which has an excellent blood supply. Therefore, the prognosis is dependent upon the nature and the sight of the tear. what you just described to me just put all meniscus tears in one group which is not a probably an accurate way to do that.

[00:15:42]So let's say focusing on he went to the Baltimore they told they didn't want to take him because the meniscus tear they may have known that the meniscus tear was not in an area that was easily repairable area of the meniscus with no blood supply or they might have seen by some other evidence that I'm not privileged that he had arthritis accompanying the meniscus tear. So arthritis accompanying a meniscus tear what makes the prognosis or outlook bad? If the tear had no arthritis and if the tear was at the periphery where the blood supply was good then the repair could be done very successful and given many years of playing. So it may have come down to either they knew there was existing arthritis or not area not repairable or they didn't want them. I don't know the answer.

[00:16:36]>> Right. I'm going to ask you this question. If you were a team doctor, and you have been in the past, if you were a team doctor and they had given you all of the medical information, you knew where the tear was, you had the X-rays, the MRIs, you knew where everything was, the belief around the NFL was that there was really nothing they could have seen when Max went there that they didn't know prior to the trade. if the Raiders had given him everything and I am told by multiple people the Raiders did. Is that accurate?

[00:17:11]>> Well, I don't know. I need to bring in one other dimension to the decision.

[00:17:16]Although any a patient could come with a torn meniscus, repairable, not repairable, no arthritis, good outlook.

[00:17:24]These all become patient management problems. So the other component that really was not discussed was the inter the examination of the physician and the physician understanding of what this injury meant to the patient and how the patient was responding to it. He could have decided this is a patient management problem and may have been enough information for him to advise the people not to take them.

[00:17:52]So I think one of the things that happens Hondu is that we come down to discussing a broke arm or a bad back.

[00:17:59]Everything comes down to patient management. How the patient's seen that their desire for recovery, what they think this means to their career or their life or their job. So every one of these decisions we have to fold in patient management.

[00:18:15]>> Yeah, that makes complete sense. And that's why NFL people were like, "Listen, Max was going to do anything and everything that they told him to do." And that's I'm glad you brought that point up. I I want to I want to turn a little bit of a different perspective to Germad McCoy. He is a Raiders. Uh many people believe he was the best cornerback available in the 2026 NFL draft. He fell to the fourth round and he had previously torn his ACL, but the concern from many NFL teams why he dropped was a knee plug. Now, I'm going to ask you a couple of yes or no questions and then get into a an open-ended one for your expertise, but NFL people have all told me that the torn ACL and the knee the knee plug is not the torn ACL. So the concern was not with the torn ACL. It was torn with it.

[00:19:11]It was a knee plug. A are the two separate?

[00:19:17]>> Yes. But they they accompanied one of the other one or the other. But each one a singular torn HCL would be fine. A entry to the articular cartilage would had a challenge.

[00:19:29]>> Okay. Now in talking to NFL people, they said the concern was degeneration.

[00:19:36]Is that an accurate concern? And what is that, sir?

[00:19:39]>> Well, that that means the injury to his gliding surface of his knee. Forget the ACL because the ACL repairs usually work out good for a pro alete. So, there was a severe injury to the gliding surface of his knee. I'll assume it was the inner aspect of the femur or the femoral condile. I don't know. I assume that because that's the most common. And the result of that injury can be progressive arthritis or degenerative arthritis which would be disabling.

[00:20:10]>> Okay. So here is my question that I I have for you a few of them. Is there any precedent in the NFL that you're aware of for surgery similar to a knee plug?

[00:20:24]and and are they are they is it 50/50? Are they successful? What what is your thoughts on a knee plug in an NFL player?

[00:20:34]>> Okay. Well, it it depends on the size of the injury and the diameter of the plug.

[00:20:40]So, a 1 cm plug is approximately a half an inch. any of those that are in the small areas of say a half an inch or less have an excellent prognosis and the literature would I don't have any knowledge of any individual player but the literature would say that that play patient has a very good prognosis for let's say 10 to 15 years providing there's no other arthritis in the knee or providing in his case that the ACL is stable providing that he rehabilitates Well, but just on the basis of that lesion with a and I I don't know whether he had a plug taken from his own bone put there or one taken from a cadaavver bone. The ones from your own bone usually have a little better prognosis than one taken from a cadaavver bone, but ones taken from a cadaavver bone are are very successful.

[00:21:39]>> So, he was out there at rookie mini camp last weekend. um running around look great. He said he's willing to do a surgery if the Raiders want. Is that a good sign or is that reading too much into it or the fact it's a rookie mini camp and there's no pads and nobody's hitting it doesn't matter.

[00:21:57]>> Okay. Well, first of all, we're back to a patient management problem. Assessing this injury in view of this patient.

[00:22:02]This patient has every motivation to be do really well in the NFL. He believes that he was had could have been a higher choice because of his ability. He has a huge desire to to perform. I think on that basis he will do well if in fact his repair have evidence by MRI or something else that the repair of the articular surface was good. There was no other degenerative arthritis. The knee is stable from the anterior crucet. He has an excellent prognosis and was probably a steal for the Raiders.

[00:22:39]>> Excellent. Okay. So, I'm gonna ask you this. Uh, in a situation like this, would there be any benefits to sitting him for a year? I know you can't specifically comment on him, but would there be benefits to sitting him for a year? Because it doesn't feel like the Raiders are going to do that.

[00:23:00]>> Well, I don't know. We're talking about a specific person. I don't and a condition I don't know but from what you've told me I don't think there's any thing that they are worrying about if they're going to play them now because they must have some evidence that the repair was good the knee is stable and there's no other arthritis no existing torn meniscus with it uh so if he has an ox prognosis no harm in having him and he's re rehabilitated well over a year I guess he probably's ready to So, a lot of people, doctor, have been talking and let's face it, I'm a member of the media and that's why we're called talking heads, but there's been so much talk about a potential second surgery.

[00:23:46]Is that even Why would that even be discussed? Am I missing something here?

[00:23:51]Or is that a potential with a knee plug type injury? If the if the Raiders doctors thought there was a potential second surgery, then I think that's not good because they must see a reason there's a need for one. But if it's only the press speculating that their need for a second surgery with no foundation of what's wrong, then that's doesn't make any sense.

[00:24:16]>> That makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you. I got to tell you, for you, one of the things that's fascinating me is when we were having dinner at your house the night of the draft or after the draft when you explained to me about a size of a quarter in a lesion. I don't know if you remember explaining that to me and you've probably had a million conversations since then. You were talking about the size of Can you explain that to I found that fascinating. Well, uh, the if we're talking about, let's say, on the inner side of the thigh bone at the knee, that's called the medial femoral condile.

[00:24:54]And the injury with a a torn crucet, the knee shifts and it could share off a portion of the gliding cartilage in that joint.

[00:25:07]And it can also even bruise the bone.

[00:25:09]That's not that's common also. So there could be a cartilage and a bone defect shown by MRI.

[00:25:17]And so if that size of the lesion, which I mean the defect, here's a let's say it's a circle, the defect won't be exactly a circle, but what they're the part they take out would be a circle because they're going to put a circular piece of bone and cartilage in that place.

[00:25:36]what I said in our early remarks here that if it was the size of a dime, the outlook's better. If it was the size of the quarter, the outlook is very poor. So, I don't know the size of this man's lesion we're talking about, more than likely a smaller lesion, more than likely a very good prognosis than that they're going to let him play.

[00:26:00]>> Okay. So, I'm going to tell everybody one of my funniest Dr. Johnson's stories. Years ago, a player had a surgery, a very very respected player that a lot of people thought was going to have a tremendously uh big impact on his sport and he had an orthoscopic surgery and the family provided me the X-ray of the screw and all of it. And so I write this article, he's out of surgery, here's a picture of it. He's doing great. Dr. Johnson calls me on the phone. Hondo, you got to get with that family.

[00:26:39]They did not put the screw in tight enough, far enough. There's too much separation. He's going to have this, this, and this, and it's going to negatively impact his career. He's never going to be the player he can be. If they fix it now, I guess it was before blood flow. You can correct me in a second. He goes, "They can still save it." So, I call the family and this is what the family say. Well, we really appreciate Dr. Johnson and and that advice, but we don't want to try to tell the doctor what to do. And they said nothing. Well, lo and behold, the kid's career never panned out. It failed miserably. And when the doctor heard the story, he said to the family, "That man is Babe Ruth. That man is the greatest orthopedic surgeon not named God." HE GOES, "WHY WOULD YOU NOT HAVE CALLED ME?

[00:27:30]I would have called him." And Dr. Johnson, you called it. You've called it with other injuries, with athletes, with me before. It's It's amazing how having seen so much, it it makes it almost easier, doesn't it?

[00:27:47]>> Well, I guess I could say I've made mistakes and so I recognize the mistakes and when I see it somewhere else, I can easily recognize it. Also, what happened in that case was you have two pieces of bone that have to be put together like this and then the screw put across it to hold them in position. What happened in that case was they were apart and the screw was put across them and held them apart. So, there was no chance that it could possibly heal. I mean, anybody could see that.

[00:28:18]>> Right. I before I let you go, just one last question for me, sir, but it's something I've heard you talk about for years and I have always found it fascinating when you've talked about the healing process and how God made our bodies to heal, but how in an athlete so many times you just see healing at a different level because of the shape that they're in. And I know I'm probably butchering it, so feel free to correct me, but can you explain that because I think it's important for fans to understand that about proathletes.

[00:28:55]Okay. Well, first of all, there's the incentive.

[00:29:00]So one there a pro alete is not going to biologically heal something any different than the another human would. But because of their incentive they will make sure that the muscularkeeletal system which I deal with is maximized to and readily and rapidly way faster than the normal person. One, the normal person isn't great athlete, so they're not going to put that kind of effort in. And second of all, the athlete will do that for a number of motivations. And therefore, the healing process is similar, but their focus and incentive to rehabilitate to the maximum restoration of one muscle function, joint range of motion. And then the other factor which happens amongst people with a torn anterior crucet is the confidence that they can plant that foot again.

[00:29:58]And so that takes a little bit of time.

[00:30:00]Sometimes I've noticed even a year after a torn anterior crucet that a running back is afraid to go out and put plant his foot and cut. But if he knows that if he gets a good range of motion in his rehab and he has good strong supporting muscular structure then he can more rapidly perform that function. Of course that's a function the normal person isn't going to do. The normal person is just interested in activities of daily living are way below the activity of a proathlete. But the pro alete has the motivation, probably the biological basis and the incent and the of course the incentive to get better quicker.

[00:30:39]You mentioned earlier about agents calling you on behalf of their players, but you've also had tremendous impacts with multiple superstars across various sports who didn't want the team's opinion because they knew the team just wanted him back on the field and they came to you and a lot of athletes are going to see this. A lot of NFL people see this. How important is it for athletes to get opinions outside of the team?

[00:31:09]>> Well, let me put it this way. In today's medical health care, I don't care if you're an athlete or you're the average guy in the street. Your health care is 100% dependent upon your interest to control it and take care of it. And therefore, you need to be satisfied that the physician you're seeing has your best interests. I can remember one NFL player in particular that when I saw him, he said uh I told him that I'd report to the team and the team doctor said, "You don't have to report to them.

[00:31:42]You can report to me."

[00:31:46]And so he he was just in wanted to take care of his health care. He was the most interested person. He was the most vested in his healthcare. And I think that's true for us as regular people or whether you're a pro alete. And so what I've seen over time is that sometimes the proathlete feels that the uh team doctor has uh too much wants to stay the team doctor and will follow what the team or the coach advises rather than what's the best interest of the patient.

[00:32:15]So I think today in the environment we have today I think the pro alete is is has the opportunity to go to any doctor he wants as I understand it and he wants to make sure that doctor has his interest primarily not that of the teams.

[00:32:31]>> Awesome. Dr. Johnson, you know how much you've meant to me and do mean to me and and of course your beautiful family.

[00:32:38]Thank you for joining us today and for some I could have never given any of that. So, thank you so much.

[00:32:45]>> Well, I'm glad that I hope I I hope your listeners get a little more balanced idea about uh injuries in these athletes. And um well, I one story comes to my mind.

[00:32:57]This is years ago. There was a player named Willie McGee for the St. Louis Cardinals. He was a very fast player, great for stealing bases. He was an outfielder, really fast, and he tore his cartilage. This is back in the 80s. and it was the cartilage I could have removed or I could repair and it was early on in my experience of repairing cartilagages and I repaired it and then that was in October. He'd and so he'd been advised to have the cartilage removed and I repaired it and and I rei I responded to the team that he'll he may be ready to play in July. The team went ballistic.

[00:33:36]We sent him to you to have the cartilage removed and he'd be ready for spring practice. I said that wasn't in his best interest. What happened was I repaired it. He played for some reasons unknown to me. Got transferred to the San Francisco Giants.

[00:33:52]He became he became the most valuable player in that league, whatever the league the Giants are in for that year. And he made $13 million as a result. But what happened there was that I did what was in the best interest of him and not the best interest of the team.

[00:34:13]>> If you you have a couple minutes if you want to tell people about stuff you're working on your websites. I mean you have so many I don't even know how many patents do you have now? It's over 50, right?

[00:34:23]>> Over a hundred.

[00:34:24]>> Oh, over 100. Okay.

[00:34:25]>> Some are valuable, some of them aren't.

[00:34:27]Some have been extremely valuable. Uh you have to know this of uh of all the patents that are submitted to the patent office 40% are are accepted. Of the 40% that are accepted 1% may have any commercial value.

[00:34:43]Most people just get a plaque on the wall. I've beat that average fortunately and working towards it right now. Um and and so the main thing I'm working on right now is the biggest problem in orthopedic surgery or any surgery is a possible infection. And what we have there is that antibiotics over the years have become bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics.

[00:35:09]Number two is there's been no only one new antibiotic in the last 40 years. So we have no new ones, no new classes of antibiotics. And the last 10 companies, the Wall Street Journal published this, the last 10 companies to get FDA approval on antibiotic went bankrupt. So the number one thing to control infections and surgery is an antibiotic in your vein, antibiotic on the surface, antibiotic in the wound. We have no new antibiotics. And so I've now working on and have discovered and will be launching in the next few months. I have an adjunct to can be used in surgery or to any wound infection that is more work very well as an antibiotic and not likely to have any bacterial resistance. If that all comes true, Lord willing, it'll be really exciting.

[00:36:06]>> Can't hardly wait. All right, everybody.

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[00:36:11]Correct, sir? Dr. Lanny.com.

[00:36:14]>> Yes, that's one. And then I have a dr lanny dr lnyalth.com which they can see the various types of things I've launched for medicine but have would be of some value for the public for instance for osteoporosis or for arthritis or for acne uh the whole variety of of things that could be a benefit.

[00:36:37]>> Got to tell you his acne medicine is absolutely phenomenal. I have seen it work on a teenage girl that I've never seen acne that bad. It was and I mean literally starts applying it and within a month it was gone or close to gone but within days it start it was just amazing. So go to drlanny.com drlaneyalth.com he is the world's pre-minent orthopedic surgeon and he's not saying that that's what they are saying. In fact, he's going to be talking to the world's best sports orthopedic surgeons preventing presenting a a presentation I think in July, right sir? Or June?

[00:37:17]>> Uh June at uh right and up in uh the wine country in California. There's a medical meeting a group called Herodikas and I'm I'll be giving a talk on my research on this u adjunct to treat preventing infections and surgery.

[00:37:36]>> He is the one and only the great Lanny Johnson. Thank you everybody for being with us today. We'll see you again tomorrow.