“I’m Black American!” Jamaican Woman Sparks Heated Debate

[00:00:00]Hey, Ka.

[00:00:04]>> Hey. Can I ask a question?

[00:00:06]>> Wait a minute. You What's your ethnicity?

[00:00:09]>> Okay, this was going to be my question cuz I just >> Wait, what's your ethnicity?

[00:00:12]>> Oh, this is this is part of my question.

[00:00:14]If you guys identify, it's part of my question. DO YOU GUYS >> WAIT, I DON'T IT AIN'T NO question to that. What's your ethnicity?

[00:00:23]My parents are here. We go y'all. [laughter] Lord fatigue.

[00:00:33]>> Just starting the whole day off with it.

[00:00:35]Just >> We've been streaming, y'all. We've been streaming 14 minutes.

[00:00:40]>> 14 seconds. And look, [laughter] >> go ahead, Ka. Let's hear this.

[00:00:46]>> No, this is a legit question cuz I I just >> Just go ahead, Ka. You don't want to tell me your ethnicity off the bat.

[00:00:53][laughter] >> I was born and raised in I'm black. I'm I'm I consider myself black American.

[00:00:58]>> Okay. No. Where's your grandparents your great-grandparents from?

[00:01:01]>> My parents came here from Jamaica.

[00:01:03]>> Okay. So, you're Jamaican. Go ahead.

[00:01:05]What's your question?

[00:01:06]>> So, my Well, that was my my question was would you guys identify people who were born and black born and raised in America who call themselves black Americans? Would you ident would you would you call us black American? That's a legit question. And I'm I'm not here to argue like this is a genuine question.

[00:01:23]>> Um, Black Queen, you want to answer that?

[00:01:27]>> Sure. Um, so absolutely not. You you're you're one of the first generation immigrants. Is that what you're saying?

[00:01:36]Like you maybe were born here, but your parents immigrated here?

[00:01:40]>> Yes. Similar to Malcolm X, whose mother is from the Caribbean as well.

[00:01:44]>> Um, but Malcolm X is half FBA. His father's from here and he identified with uh foundational black Americans. He never identified with the Caribbean uh culture. Okay, number one. Number two, you are Jamaican American and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:02:04]>> What if I identify as >> I don't care what you identify as. You guys are >> you're you're you're Jamaican American. And that's okay, ma'am. You guys never I don't understand because you guys never wanted to be black. You ne you called us Yankees. You call us everything. You You made it very clear to everyone all the time that you were not black American. That you were Jamaican. You were Haitian. You were you were Dominican. You were that. And and that is okay. We are just identifying with our lineage. Who's been here? You haven't been here.

[00:02:47]>> Can I ask a follow-up question? Black Queen, >> wait a minute. Hold on. Did you ask if it was okay if it was okay? No, we going to let O damn answer your followup question. Hold on. What is that? Okay, I got to drop you. Um, did you did you ask whether it's okay to identify as black American?

[00:03:05]>> Uh, no. No. to clarify my question is if I if I if I identify as black American, why why would I not be considered black American by other black Americans?

[00:03:20]>> Because you're not of the lineage. Why wouldn't you want to be identified as why wouldn't you want to identify yourself first of all as a Jamaican?

[00:03:29]>> I I was born and raised in Boston, Massachusetts.

[00:03:33]>> Both of your parents Jamaican? They are >> then sister I'm coming to you as a Angolan woman. I am Angolan through an and through in and out. Why would you not want to be Jamaican? Do you know how proud those people are?

[00:03:51]>> Were you born were you born in Angolia?

[00:03:54]>> Yes I Angola. Yes I was. But even my daughter who's bithnic, she's like she'll tell person she's Angolan as well. I I had to look at her one day.

[00:04:04]They're like, "Oh, you claim me." I was surprised. I mean, I we don't do these talks, you know, until I did Tik Tok.

[00:04:13]But why would you not? You're Jamaican.

[00:04:15]Absolutely. Mama proud. Wait, wait. Are you a proud Angolan?

[00:04:20]>> Oh, yes. England.

[00:04:21]>> Say your thing. Hello, Las Vegas. How you come up on people?

[00:04:25]>> Thank you. Hey, host. Thank you for bringing me up. Hey, hey, everybody. I am Engolan and I am your favorite Angolan whether you know it or not.

[00:04:35]>> Every panel she go up to. That's how she come up on people panel.

[00:04:40]>> Yep. I want you guys to know. And then I heard about this girl named Cheeki. I got to find her. She's in golden too.

[00:04:46]And I think she's trying to come before I came before you. I came before Kia.

[00:04:52]>> Okay. Go ahead.

[00:04:54]>> All right.

[00:04:56]Love. How are you?

[00:05:02]>> [laughter] >> Uh uh uh. Hold on. Nobody can tell nobody to speak up here but me or one of my mods if um if um I leave. Wait. This is my room. I he he going to have to wait a second. We was having a conversation about the previous guest and then Ka came up. I didn't know if she was black American or not English.

[00:05:27]And I got to check before somebody come up here and switch their profile to that uh um private part area picture. So that's how we got here. So hold on. But if you busy, you know, you can come back later, but just hold on. If not, you know, it is what it is.

[00:05:43]>> Let me let the ladies speak.

[00:05:45]>> Thank you. English. Thank you. The ladies talking.

[00:05:48]>> Y'all are so proud of West Africans women.

[00:05:51]>> Huh?

[00:05:53]West Africans children. Yola.

[00:05:57]>> What? Okay. Um Oh, damn. Did you want to um Did you want to um say something to Kaya?

[00:06:03]>> Yeah. You black American.

[00:06:05]>> Okay. Listen, don't start that. Don't start don't start that tether level stuff. Now you acting like a unhinged.

[00:06:13]>> Okay. Yeah. See what I mean? No. No.

[00:06:15]Decorum.

[00:06:16]>> Um question.

[00:06:19]>> Yeah. Go ahead.

[00:06:20]>> Okay. Um, and I'm coming with peace. I promise y'all. I'm I'm genuinely curious.

[00:06:26]>> Oh, damn. You got this.

[00:06:27]>> Um, so is there a difference between >> Oh, is there a Is there a difference between SBA and black Americans?

[00:06:38]>> Nope. We all the same lineage. Some of us call ourselves fre. Well, you you say you you you say you um grew up here, was born here. So, can you tell me what what what all uh black Americans identify as?

[00:06:54]>> Uh I I thought black I thought to be black American means to have black skin and to be born and raised in America. Like I'm not I wasn't born in Jamaica. Like I know the woman from Angola. I don't have that experience.

[00:07:07]>> Well, see Ka, there lies another reason why you cannot call yourself us. Cuz you not you don't know our history at all.

[00:07:15]>> Sorry about that, love. I had somebody walk up on me. I was like, "Whoa."

[00:07:19]>> Yeah. You got to check that. So, >> I know.

[00:07:21]>> So, she want to know if is FBA and Black American the same thing.

[00:07:28]>> Well, the thing is, um, Kyla is not asking a serious question, right? She has two Jamaican parents. When they go to Jamaica, they're not saying this is my American child and I'm the Jamaican parent. They are telling her she's a Jamaican child and to love her Jamaican roots. So to sit here in front of a bunch of black Americans and act like she wants to be us and identify as us is not true because that's not how she was raised at home. She's raised at home to identify as Jamaican cuz both of her parents are that. That only makes sense.

[00:08:03]And I agree in the sense that um I'll tell you this Ka when I went to college is when I realized black hold on Las Vegas cuz we going we ain't going to keep Kyla here long. We got other people on the panel. Did did they answer your question?

[00:08:19]>> Uh yeah. Okay. Before you drop, can I have a follow-up question? Um now as far as I mean it's funny because my in when I go to Jamaica they call me American because I wasn't born in Jamaica. They call it as a joke, right? They call you a Yankee. You know, when I moved from California to Florida, that was the first time in my life I was ever called a Yankee by an immigrant. Have you ever heard of that term in your household?

[00:08:46]>> I have.

[00:08:46]>> And it's a very degrading term, right?

[00:08:49]Hold on. Uh, Angola Queen, um, that's a very degrading term, isn't it?

[00:08:56]>> Be honest. It's not said as >> right. So they're saying that as if you your parents were a joke to birth a Yankee, but in actuality, you were their anchor baby that made them be able to stay. So your parents got their reparations just by birthing you. So they should be grateful for you. You're an anchor baby.

[00:09:20]>> So then, so so then why is it if someone's half West Indian and I always I love using example Malcolm X, why is it that he gets the pass? Malcolm X was not half West Indian. Malcolm X was Malcolm X's mother was in a minstal mental institution when he was 3 years old. He was raised by his FBA family and his FBA lineage. You are an anchor baby.

[00:09:47]You were able to get your parents' citizenship. You should be proud that you anchored them in.

[00:09:54]So, so is it is it to be considered a black American is based off of what?

[00:09:59]>> Two black American parents. And if you have one black American parent, the black American parent should be the mother.

[00:10:08]>> But but most I I confused. It's just it the logic doesn't it's not logical.

[00:10:14]>> I know, but you're an anchor, baby.

[00:10:17]>> It's okay, but you have to you have to at least have to be >> Thank you for answering my question. No, I appreciate it. one black American parent. Okay.

[00:10:25]>> Yeah. And and Ka um and she's perfectly correct. Like my daughter is by ethnic, so I'm Angolan and her dad is from the the the state this country. So she can she could say she's black American. But in reality, she's black American and is Angolan. Right. Um Ka right now.

[00:10:46]>> All those are by ethnics, >> right? And Ka, let me just be real with you. you are you are going to be Jamaican no matter what. Now, if you have children in America cuz they're born here as black Americans and then you have a black American husband, then they may call themselves black Americans and that's where everybody gets all upset and everything like else. But you yourself will not be black American and you should not do that.

[00:11:16]>> Okay.

[00:11:16]>> But your kids, you should. But I'm not Jamaican. mean you should you shouldn't I have no idea I'm not Jamaican a Jamaican so I have no identity so I'm not Jamaicans do not consider Jamaicans do not consider you Jamaican unless you were born there >> I have cousins that are born don't come up here and just come off mic but wait a minute ka but see that's the thing you know what I mean that's the thing that happens to a lot of um kids you know from immigrant parents they come here and they get all confused you know they just, you know, try to blend in with society and, you know, American culture.

[00:11:53]And I guess you assumed you was black because you you you know, you have melanated skin and you probably I don't know what area you grew up in and stuff, but you know, that's why it's important to know your history, you know what I mean? And and stay t and stay true to it.

[00:12:11]>> That's what happened.

[00:12:14]May I say one quick thing?

[00:12:15]>> Wait a minute. I'm I'mma drop you down.

[00:12:18]um, Las Vegas. Um, but yeah, that's why it's important to, you know what I mean, to teach your kids who they really are and don't have them confused cuz it's a lot of this time with this delineation movement. You ain't by yourself. It's a lot of confused um, immigrant children in the United States of America right now. And it's going to get worse. I'm going tell you that right now.

[00:12:41]>> Can I consider myself American?

[00:12:43]>> Yeah, Jamaican American.

[00:12:44]>> Oh, no. Just American. Was there a question?

[00:12:53]>> Um, what what language did your parents speak when you was like in your household growing up? Did they speak PWA?

[00:13:02]>> Yeah, my parents speak PWA.

[00:13:03]>> Do Do you speak PWA?

[00:13:05]>> Uh, no, I do. I speak >> But do you know how? But I'm saying but do you know how?

[00:13:10]>> Very little. Very very little.

[00:13:12]But so if you know both of your parents spoke PWA love, did your parents speak PWA in the house?

[00:13:19]>> No.

[00:13:20]>> Um, black queen or Oh, damn. Florida.

[00:13:22]Did your parents speak PWA in the house?

[00:13:24]>> No.

[00:13:25]>> Okay. So, what will make you think that you're black American if we don't speak that language?

[00:13:32]>> Well, then can can't you apply that to the Geese in North Carolina and South Carolina? They don't speak >> Okay. But they are from where? But they are from where?

[00:13:42]>> They're from America.

[00:13:43]>> They're from what part of America?

[00:13:46]>> The Carolinas.

[00:13:47]>> The you. Thank you. There you go.

[00:13:49]They're from the Carol.

[00:13:50]>> Tied it to language though. Tied to language.

[00:13:53]>> I tied it to language, but they are part of the United States. And due to the Carolinas being a part of the United States, that means they are of this lineage.

[00:14:03]>> It's perfect.

[00:14:04]>> I was born in America. You guys keep skipping over that though. I was born and raised in America. Your parents weren't.

[00:14:11]>> Oh my god. Okay.

[00:14:12]>> No, we we told you. Do you know what an anchor baby is?

[00:14:16]>> My parents already had their citizenship. They came here legally.

[00:14:20]>> You know, all anchor babies aren't illegal, but however, they didn't have to keep renewing it after you were born.

[00:14:29]>> I don't I I mean, I I deny >> you should be proud of that.

[00:14:35]>> Well, okay. Well, following the definition, it seems like I have no identity because so there's nothing to be proud of.

[00:14:43]>> No, no, no. I'm not I This is the first Today's Day.

[00:14:47]>> Did your Did your grand is your greatg grandmother um in the soil here, buried in the uh graveyard?

[00:14:54]>> My grandmother My grandmother is buried in America. I will say my grandfather.

[00:14:59]>> I think your greatg grandandmother.

[00:15:01]>> Oh, my great my great-grandmother. Um no.

[00:15:03]>> Okay. And did your people go through Jim Crow, slavery?

[00:15:07]>> Uh, no. They didn't.

[00:15:08]>> Well, how can you think ever that you would be the same people?

[00:15:13]>> Because of me, me and Kia, I was raised and I experienced everything that black Americans experience. I I experience until I until I say tell people my parents are from Jamaica. I'm ident I'm being told I'm black American by white people. So, this is the first Today is the first time that I've been told that I'm not.

[00:15:30]>> Who cares what white people say? Don't nobody on No, no, no. Not a black. We don't care what white people say.

[00:15:36]>> So, Kia, I'mma ask you this question.

[00:15:37]Look, do you believe So, so you remember that white lady who joined the NAACP, Condisa, uh, I think her name was Conde, whatever her name was.

[00:15:45]>> Yeah.

[00:15:46]>> Do you believe that just because she identified as being a black person that she was black?

[00:15:51]>> No.

[00:15:52]>> So, why does it make you think that you can do it?

[00:15:55]>> Because I'm black.

[00:15:56]>> No, you're Jamaican.

[00:15:58]>> You don't know who Lisa Rice is?

[00:16:00]>> No. Not kind of. No, her name was K. It was something like Kalise, but it was a white lady.

[00:16:05]>> Oh, you talking about um >> Remember the white lady that had the dread that had the dreads that tried to She said she identified as And that's another reason why that's another reason why we That's another reason why we know that you're not black that you're not black American. Why do you have to identify as something that you're that that you that you supposedly are? That means that you know that you're Jamaican, so you're just sitting here playing on our Yeah. Rachel. Uh yeah, is all her. That means that you know you like you know what your lineage is.

[00:16:36]>> You just cosplay. Sorry.

[00:16:37]>> I consider myself black American >> and you can consider yourself anything you want to.

[00:16:43]>> I know I promise you but that's cosplay.

[00:16:47]Thank you. Go ahead. Thank you for ask ahead. So >> do she know what reclassifications mean?

[00:16:55]Do she understand that? Did her parents teach her? Did your parents teach you what that meant?

[00:17:00]I don't know. I'm not familiar with that term.

[00:17:03]>> And that's she don't know nothing about our history. Okay. So, if she don't know nothing about our history, she just wanted >> I wanted to say thank you for adding me to the panel. I just won't keep your time. I won't take up too much of the time. I just had a question because it came across my page >> for Americans >> for for everybody up here.

[00:17:22]>> Oh, okay. Well, hold on. Let me wrap up with her. You going to have to hold on for a minute cuz it's people ahead of you. Hold on. All right, Kyla. We got to move on. I hope you find out, you know, what you going to do in this life. But >> I will I will say I study I did study African-American history. So I'm very familiar with African Americans.

[00:17:39]>> We're not African, right? We like to be called black. If you familiar with our history and then tell me what else do black Americans go by? Cuz you asked me if black Americans and FBA was the same people. What what else they call theyel?

[00:17:53]Yeah, that's why that's why I was I'm c like I promise whenever I'm curious.

[00:17:58]>> No, no, no. You just said you very familiar. So, let us know how familiar you are. What else you black Americans could call yourself?

[00:18:06]>> Well, that's why I asked you love world uh love world.

[00:18:10]>> All right. Thank you. Have a good day.

[00:18:12]>> Thanks. Bye.

[00:18:12]>> Bye.