The debate highlights the tension between Northern lyrical traditions and the South's growing cultural dominance, showing how regional pride fuels the evolution of American Hip-Hop. It effectively captures the shift in cultural gravity through a raw, personal lens.
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Hey, what's good with a speak easy. I know I'm from Dallas, Texas, my home state.
You guys are all doing great work, but Care Bear is a Cowboys fan. I'm an engineering producer.
Fly Eagles fly. Okay, bro. Fly Eagles fly. Fellas, this is why Dallas is the most hating ass city with no one that we claim from there that that that that that that comes up and we really really rep them.
Y'all don't even support the home team.
Y'all don't support nobody that that's famous from there. Y'all There's a reason why Houston got us beat in the state of Texas. Yeah, you're not wrong.
AND IT'S NOT CLOSE. I WAS JUST CUZ Y'ALL SOME HATERS ON DALLAS.
>> I WAS JUST THERE THOUGH. THAT shit's country boy. Y'all from Dallas? Y'all country, dude.
>> What parts you was in? Cuz Dallas Dallas ain't country. Yeah, that was not that That was not the country. Dallas where the rich people live. No, it's like a big city like country city though.
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It's like It's like Oh, it's like slow play Dallas? Nah. Not if you're in Dallas proper. You must have been in like Waxahachie. You must have been in Fort Worth. So wait, hold on. Fort Worth? You might have been No no no no no no no. So wait, real quick. So you're telling me that like Dallas is like city city? So it's like New York?
No.
So it's like it's like DC?
DC got a more more grit to it. It's like Philadelphia. More grit to it.
It's like >> Yeah.
It's like >> I've only I've only BEEN IN DALLAS FOR IT'S LIKE That's town That's some country What? Dude, that's country.
Nashville's country.
>> [laughter] >> I seen black cowboys, man.
>> Buckhead is somewhat similar to buckhead.
>> Cuz the thing is no, no, but buckhead's bro, like Dallas is Dallas is where the wealth lives. Like Dude, I seen cowboys, man. Yeah, they're oil rich. Like bro, oil billionaires live in Dallas. Yeah.
Not saying they're not rich. Yeah, but it's it's a little different. You saw black men in 10 gallon hats with cowboy boots and leather chaps on and holsters.
Not in Dallas. Not in Dallas. In Fort Worth. [laughter] YOU YOU MUST HAVE BEEN IN FORT YOU MUST HAVE BEEN in the stockyards. You just saw them. You must have been in Mesquite. Where were you at? Do you remember? Where you seen Hold on, hold on. This will This will answer the question. Were you out there to see high school athletes?
I got a question for you. Hold on, no, answer, answer. Were you out there to see high school >> I was out there doing a lot of stuff.
All right, if you were seeing athletes, then you probably saw some country, but I know you weren't cheating, though. I know you weren't doing that.
So, wait, real quick. So, who's a a Dallas kid that's Is Is Dez country? Or or is he Is he silly?
Dez is country.
>> Who's silly? Tell me who's more silly from Dallas.
Who's silly from Dallas?
>> Like who Like Kyler Murray?
Why you use him? Yeah, that was probably He's as as a city as >> about a guy who played Call of Duty more than football. Come on, bro. I would have used Why didn't you say Von Miller is country? Why didn't you take Cade?
Cade's from Dallas. Cade Yeah, Cade Cade Yeah, Cade kind of him. I I don't know him. Tyrese Maxey, Chris Bosh, Dennis Rodman.
Them Dennis Rodman is as city as it get.
Is he? Bro, Dennis Rodman is as urban as it gets, brother.
>> [laughter] >> Tyrese Maxey, cool. He look He look kinda country though.
Look kinda country. Von is But Von got country. Von Von Von was not Von wasn't BUT HE WASN'T VON MILLER is very country. He went to A&M. That's when he got country. Von from DeSoto, yeah. Von Von wasn't country at first.
So, what I'm telling you is that like it [clears throat] is city, right? But it's like a country type city.
It's got some country. It's got IT'S GOT A COUNTRY >> [laughter] >> IT'S GOT IT'S GOT A DIFFERENT IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF COUNTRY, TOO. CUZ LIKE ATLANTA is country to to Atlanta country to you? Atlanta's country.
>> Oh, if Atlanta's country then Dallas is country.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So, what But, you are also from the north, though. Yeah, therefore, y'all are both from the north. Wait, I'm from I'm from You're from north of the Mason-Dixon, bro.
You're from north of the Mason-Dixon.
You're north of the Mason-Dixon. You're north of the So, is is only city do y'all like Scottsdale?
No, city is like Indianapolis, New York, LA, like Dallas is bigger and better than Indianapolis, though. No, it's not. You can't put Indianapolis in the conversation. In what? In what? Bro, what is that? What is that? Y'all don't have better food.
Y'all got BARBECUE THAT SAME >> [laughter] >> Y'ALL GOT Y'ALL GOT BARBECUE THAT SAME WE DON'T HAVE BETTER FOOD. NOBODY NOBODY CHECKING FOR INDIANAPOLIS. NOBODY.
YOU DO YOU DO REALIZE Dallas is like one of like the biggest Mexican populations in the People don't know where that is. You don't realize we got hella Nigerians. We got hella Indians. People do not know where that is on the map. We got a bunch of Filipinos. They got a lot of Filipinos, too. We're far more diverse than Indianapolis. No, no. They got A LOT OF THEY GOT a lot of Filipinos.
Like, not even remotely close.
Indianapolis is It's 25% black. Dallas is more than 25% black?
>> far more diverse than y'all are. We have We have We have cuisine from all over the place. You know what I'm saying?
Hell no. Hell no. Y'all can't touch us, bro. Y'all can't touch us. INDIANAPOLIS IS NOT SERIOUS.
HE SNUCK INDIANAPOLIS INTO LA.
>> NO, I LED WITH IT'S OKAY.
I LED WITH INDIANAPOLIS. THAT WAS ACTUALLY DISGUSTING. Indianapolis is just crazy. It's a sports city, a food city. Yo, yo, forgettable. It's a food [laughter] city CUZ OF ST. ELMO'S. HOLD ON. LET'S LET'S ASK A SERIOUS QUESTION.
LET'S ASK A SERIOUS QUESTION.
If we collectively had to decide like what states are we getting rid of first?
Indiana's near the top of that list. I'm I'm not going to lie to He's not arguing that. INDIANAPOLIS IS IN SOMETHING THAT I HOLD ON. HE'S NOT HE'S NOT arguing that, though. Like Like real talk, it was so country, right? Like the sewer system is weird there. Like Like you've been to normal states, like right? You play ball in Philadelphia, of course.
Like >> the sewer is normal. The The sewer system is normal. Okay, what's the What's the Texas sewer system? That [ __ ] WAS LIKE LIKE A IT WAS LIKE SWAMPY. Like it was like a bit it was like yo, real No, I'm not even being funny.
Dog, it's a regular street and then it's on the side like this big ass ditch.
Right? And like like muddy [ __ ] and it's like water's going through the side. I'm like, damn, this [ __ ] must flood every day here.
Where were you?
>> Yeah, where where where the hell [laughter] were you? I WAS IN I WAS IN DALLAS AND THEN I WENT TO HOUSTON. SO, YOU TELL ME ON OH, YOU DROVE ON 45.
YEAH, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE >> [laughter] >> ON THE ON YOU WERE IN PLEASANT GROVE, BROTHER. YOU WAS IN THE ON A REGULAR STREET in Dallas. How how how does the the the sewer like work? Is it just like You weren't in Dallas.
>> I'm okay, well, I'm going to ask you now. You got to prove you was in Dallas, cool. So, on a regular street, right?
How's the sewer system work? Is it like normal water >> Yes, you don't even notice it on a regular street in Dallas. You don't notice it. It's not visible. I don't know what you mean. No, you must [laughter] have been in the trenches out Yeah, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BRO, YOU I THINK HE WAS IN PLEASANT GROVE, BRO.
YEAH, YOU WAS IN YOU was in you was in If you was in the cut, you notice it.
>> Cowboys. Y'all got to Y'all got to The the trenches is called called Pleasant Grove? Ah, here he go. [ __ ] You got to Pleasant Grove you want to.
EXACTLY. YEAH, GO TO PLEASANT GROVE.
WHEN I WHEN YOU GO TO DALLAS, THEY SAY [ __ ] LIKE, YO, YO, OH, YOU WAS IN the trenches. You The trenches is Pleasant Grove? There's a bunch of different trenches. We got We got a lot Pleasant Grove. I'm just I'm just asking. I'M PLEASANT GROVE.
>> [laughter] >> HEY, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. I'M JUST ASKING. THAT'S DIFFERENT. YEAH, WHAT'S WHIPPING on 44s? 44s? Whipping on 44s. What is that? What What car is that? It's not It's It's a car. It's like a It's the It's the It's the I I I don't I don't know, yeah. I don't know what I don't know what that car is.
It's the It's the rims. It's the rims.
Oh. Yeah, it's not the car. It's the rims. Okay. Okay, I'm just saying cuz like every like I just like a rapper Is that what y'all call That's like what y'all call Spoggiatos or something or No, like I think it's the the Cuz Daytons, that's what they ride in the South. Daytons, ain't it? It's not a car, though. He's talking about like >> No, Daytons is rims. Daytons is a type of rim. But, that's usually like out West. That's what they That's Houston, though. It's It's a donk. Like it's a It's a it's a car lifted up on big ass wheels.
>> 44, so 44-in rims.
Big ass rims. Donks, right? But [laughter] they're donks, yeah. You get you get you get And what is that considered? COUNTRY AS HELL. THAT'S COUNTRY AS [ __ ] THAT'S COUNTRY. A A CUTLASS A CUTLASS ON 40-IN RIMS AIN'T COUNTRY. COUNTRY TO US IS uh when you got your your Put a El Camino on some 44s. Nah, your your F-150 It's Texas though. with the your F-150 with the lift. That's what That's why That's what I said. THAT'S COUNTRY TO Y'ALL. I SAID THERE'S DIFFERENT [laughter] types of country. Like Atlanta is country. Like they talk country, they think country, their school is country.
>> WE MORE I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
WE GOT TWO Y'ALL GOT TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Y'ALL got Mike Jones and Slim Thug and then all them chopped and SCREWED STILL TIPPING. THUG, THEY NOT COUNTRY. THAT'S COUNTRY AS IT GETS. MAN, IT'S A LITTLE COUNTRY, YEAH. THEY IS COUNTRY. THAT'S COUNTRY. MIKE JONES WHO WON THAT'S COUNTRY AS HELL, YEAH. YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S COUNTRY AS HELL. NAH, [laughter] NAH, it's we're country. IT'S TEXAS THOUGH. BUT THE OTHER SIDE TEXAS TEXAS CULTURE LIKE JIGGING AND ALL THAT STUFF IS COUNTRY. That's it. You said it's country. We love I like TEXAS. I LIKE IT. IT WAS NICE. I WAS LIKE DOUGIE IS COUNTRY [laughter] NOW? BRO, DOUGIE in Yes. It's country. Like a like a REAL D TOWN DOUGIE LIKE IN THE JIG? YES.
YEAH, BRO. Come on, man. Y'all playing it. Bro, it's country as hell. It's not country. I'll tell you what Why is it backwards though? But also country is like cowboy boots >> [laughter] >> To them though. COTTON-EYED JOE AND ALL WE JUST SAID COUNTRY TO Y'ALL. BRO, YOU GOING TO SEE BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE IN THERE DOING THE COTTON-EYED JOE. THAT'S COUNTRY.
BRO, THE THING IS ALL HOODS ALL HOODS ARE COUNTRY to y'all. That's not country. TRY REAL QUICK.
YO, THEY HAVE A RO- THEY HAVE A RODEO [laughter] THEY HAVE a rodeo joint in in Houston?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah, Houston rodeo. Bro, the Houston RODEO IS CRAZY. [laughter] YEAH, YEAH, WE NOT NOW, LISTEN. INDIANA IS COUNTRY. WE NOT DOING NO RODEO AND [ __ ] I HEAR YOU. THEY GOT US BEAT. THEY THEY THEY PROJECTS? YEAH. Like it's like a big ass land of homes. Yeah, it's a bunch of homes. Like a ranch. IT'S LIKE A NO, IT'S NOT [laughter] IT'S NOT A RANCH. IT'S NOT A RANCH. LIKE SOUTH DALLAS IS FAIR PARK IS. This is also where you got us beat though cuz it's definitely country, Acho. Our two big things in the state, we got rodeo in Houston that happens in the spring and we got a fair that happens in Yeah, Texas State Fair. That's where Texas plays OU.
>> [laughter] >> There's a big ass uh cowboy that's animatronic. He got a cowboy hat on.
>> [laughter] >> What are we What are we TALKING ABOUT?
WE COUNTRY AS HELL. YOU KNOW IT'S COUNTRY AS HELL.
>> [laughter] >> BUT THAT IS ALSO NOT DALLAS.
THAT IS THE LAST THING THROWN IN THERE.
THE FAIR IS IN FAIR PARK. THAT'S DALLAS.
That's Dallas, BRO. I THOUGHT DALLAS THAT'S as proper Dallas as it is.
Cowboys used to play IS DALLAS COUNTRY?
FAIR PARK YOU JUST HOLD UP. HOLD UP.
Hold up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Acho, Emmanuel Chinedu Chinedu >> Sebastian. I don't think Acho, Acho, Acho, Acho You played for the University of Texas against Oklahoma in that stadium and you're asking if that [ __ ] was really Dallas. ARE YOU REALLY FROM PLANO, BRO? I'M FROM DALLAS. BRO, YOU'RE FROM NIGERIA. This is A HORRIBLE [laughter] TAKE.
FAIR PARK IS AS DALLAS AS IT GETS. The Cowboys used to play there. It's where the original Cotton Bowl is. All that stuff. Bro, that's that's bowl bro ACHO ACHO ACHO ACHO ACHO ACHO ACHO ACHO ACHO IT IS CALLED THE COTTON BOWL, ACHO.
YO, THEY WAS DOING [ __ ] LIKE THIS THOUGH.
Ask for autographs and all that. Can we take a picture? I'm like, yeah. They doing [ __ ] like this they had.
Okay, CUT IT OUT, ACHO.
THEY WAS TIPPING THEIR HAT. I SEE BRO, YOU DONE LIED. I seen dudes with real black people with cowboy boots and cowboy hats. Yeah, and the whole >> [laughter] >> YEAH, THEY GOT THAT. THEY GOT that dude in Did you go to the rodeo in Houston?
Bro If you go to the rodeo in Houston, you'll see black people DRIPPED OUT WITH NAH, IT'S LIT THOUGH. THE rodeo is crazy. But the It's It's the crazy thing is when you see when you see black people combine both countries. Like you'll see a You'll see a black DUDE REAL QUICK THOUGH cuz you'll cuz you'll see You'll see a black dude with some boot cut jeans thick ass cowboy boots and 10 gallon hat. But then they'll have a grill and six gold chains on and you're like, "Damn, he just both sides of country." He got the cowboy and the and the grill. That's yeah. Look, one one thing I will say about Dallas is people people mix up because you land at DFW Airport, right, when you're coming to Dallas. That's right. That's right.
That's right.
So, DFW is also not Dallas. It's smack-dab in the middle of Dallas and Fort Worth. If you get If you're going south from DFW Airport and you go right, you're going to see some country [ __ ] Wait, which which country? While going south from from you know No, but you know I'm talking about I'm talking about cowboy hats. Okay. [laughter] I'm talking about the stockyards But y'all y'all rappers is got country too, though. Oh, y'all rappers are a little country, yeah. Y'all rappers is a little country, though. You're saying that though too as a as a as a person from from Pennsylvania or a person from Indiana. Like to us, we're not that country. Like like Like we're not as country as like some people like from some people from like Alabama, Georgia, maybe like the deep deep south. Nashville is southwestern country, yeah. Like what? Nashville is country. We're we're fake country. Yeah.
Nashville? BLACK HAS A COUNTRY THOUGH, TOO. NO, we're not we're not fake country. Y'all country with swag.
>> Nashville is country without swag. No, but that's the thing. There's there's black country and there's white country though, too. country There's black country and there's white country. So, people from the north, the way we talk down there, that's country as hell to them. Y'all can lose your y'all accent.
But even even in the hood, like bro, like dudes will never be on a cow ranch, ride a horse, any of that in their entire life. But the way they talk, people from up north are going to be like, "Country ass dude." It's just It's just the culture. It's just That's fair because I was like, "Damn, I never seen cow I never seen cowboys like that."
>> Especially not ones with melanin.
It's crazy. I don't know, bro. We got Y'all And I know the original cowboys were But I'm not [laughter] talking about the rappers from Houston. They country and the rappers from Dallas is country. Is Beyoncé country? Yes.
Really? She's from Houston. She's country, yeah.
You hear it You hear it come out when she when she talks. The the very few interviews she chooses to do. I mean, that she's been with Jay-Z for so long that that's rubbing off on her. You know, up north we kind of rub off on y'all a little bit. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean. No, real talk.
Yeah. No, I think the The south got more gravitational pull than the north. WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
CULTURALLY, YES. I do agree with that.
Y'all take the north takes more from the south. Then the south takes from the north. I agree with that. I agree WITH THAT.
>> [laughter] >> THE NORTH IS WAY MORE POPULAR THAN DOWN SOUTH, THOUGH. BUT but New York but New York is New York is like the Mecca of Like that's the one the Of everything, no. Everything kind of starts and ends IN NEW YORK.
WE DON'T WEAR TIMBS. Y'ALL DON'T WEAR TIMBS. Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A CITY IN THAT [laughter] HOUSE.
BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S A PART OF THE CULTURE.
THAT COUNTS. So wait, y'all That counts.
NOW Y'ALL DRESS BETTER? NO, I'M NOT SAYING WE DRESS BETTER. I'M SAYING THE BEST COME FROM UP NORTH. THE THE BEST DRESSED COME FROM up north. The best rappers come from up north. Right?
Maybe athletes, but then slavery was part of that. I don't KNOW ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S MORE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH THAN THERE IS IN THE NORTH.
>> [laughter] >> WELL, WHAT THEY CREATED THE ATHLETES DOWN THERE IN THE SOUTH, RIGHT? Like Brady and all that? I mean, all the everybody I played against that was big as hell, strong as and fast, they from the south.
So it's a little different. But like all like the normal like You KIDDING ME? THE SWAG, THE THE ARE YOU WHAT? I DON'T KNOW THOUGH.
I THINK THE SOUTH IS MORE INFLUENTIAL.
>> [laughter] >> ATLANTA.
DUDES GO DOWN south cuz it's cheaper.
It's easier to live. Atlanta and Houston are the two black Meccas of of the United States right now. Ain't nobody checking for New York like that.
I'mma say I'mma say it again. The reason why they go down there to the spots is because of slow pace, right? And it's cheaper. Absolutely. Yo, I KNOW SOME OF THESE DUDES from New York that moved down there to the Atlanta and it's hustling them boys.
>> [laughter] >> IT'S SLOW PACE. IF YOU THE THE THE SAYING GOES, if you can make it up there, you can make it anywhere. Right?
Yeah. That's true. I make my money and I go down and retire in Florida, go down to Atlanta, go to Houston. Yeah. It's cheaper. Yeah, but And then we go [laughter] to do IT IS LIKE YO, THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER.
>> AS influential though as as as people from the South.
The dancing, South. The [clears throat] music as of recent as of the LAST 20 YEARS, SOUTH. LIKE LIKE IT'S IT'S IT'S ALL SOUTH and the reason why is because like it's easier like y'all do like like catchy phrases and [ __ ] like that, but that matters. That matters We talking about hip hop like hip hop like like hip hop like all the best hip hop guys originated Yeah, but but that's where that's where hip hop was like created though. Where was it created? In the up in the north, yeah.
I know, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS >> [laughter] >> BUT SLAVES WASN'T HIP HOP. THE SLAVES WASN'T MAKING NO MUSIC.
>> SLAVES? YEAH. WELL, slaves wouldn't make no music. What we talking about slaves?
Slaves was making music. I'm talking about I'm talking about not that it shouldn't be published.
Slaves did Oh, he oh, my man. You can't be swinging that [ __ ] LIKE THAT.
>> [laughter] >> OH, NO. WAS THAT WAS THAT ETHAN SINGING WADE IN THE WATER? THAT WAS NOT FUNNY. THAT WAS ETHAN. YEAH, HE GOT THAT'S a D. ETHAN NOT WHITE THOUGH. YO.
He not white. [laughter] >> He not He not black. He's not white.
Yeah, well well he ain't black kids be joking like >> [laughter] >> Martin Luther King FOR THAT [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> WHAT I'M SAYING I'M NOT DISSING THE SOUTH, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE WE not going to act like the north ain't like >> [laughter] >> more popping though.
Y'all are more popping though. Even like like music. Like the real if you want real artists like real bars, real lyrics, you go up north. But if you want some dancing stuff and some like little catchy phrases, you go to South.
You know what I mean? I would say I would say in the past maybe, but now no.
>> Tell me the Give me your top five right now like most lyrical artists from the South.
>> Lyrical? Andre Andre Andre 3000 Andre Even Wayne. I love Wayne, but like if you never knew he was from you think he's from up north. No no no no no. I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU CAN DEFINITELY TELL HE'S >> [laughter] >> FROM THE SOUTH.
ALL RIGHT, OKAY.
BARS? THE WAY HE RAP LIKE A LIKE A UP north dude. He got A WHOLE MOUTH OF GOLD TEETH. HIM HIM AND HIM AND J.
NO NO NO I'm talking about his balling how he talk. If you never seen him he's hurting rap. Like J. Cole you think he from the south the way he rap?
>> J. Cole is from the south. I didn't But he's saying you saying where you think Cole I can give you. Wayne I can't give YOU THOUGH. OKAY WAYNE IS SOUTH THOUGH.
Cole Cole I give you. Who else though?
We going to fall we going to wait for Wayne who else? T I think T I can rap. T I yeah you can tell he's from the 3K Andre 3K Andre 3K You said lyrical shady you can't disrespect Andre You can't disrespect lyricalism Andre 3K. Like a like a flower and all that I don't I But you but you said lyrical though you just said lyrical.
>> But I never really listen to him like that so I I don't know how good he is.
He's not my type of caliber guy. So we said T I we said Wayne.
That's two. 3K 3K counts. Shady ain't heard him but 3K counts.
Cuz Cole from North >> just said you you just said that you feel like So let's okay keep going. See you let Shady box you in though. But when you when you can see little stuff like that too.
>> [laughter] >> I told you lyrics. You know lyrics. Keep going though.
It's hard it's really hard.
>> But technically J. Cole is from the south and he's lyrical that was your stipulation.
But if you know I see I I at least hear what he's saying. But if YOU KNOW J.
COLE'S LYRICS he says that he's one of like the And the south got Jeezy and Gucci Mane I want to hear all this stuff bro.
WE WE GOT THE CULTURE DOWN HERE BRO.
No that's that's that's from BARS REAL EASY.
GEO >> [laughter] >> YEAH REAL EASY.
WHAT'S YOUR TEETH?
NOW IF WE GO UP NORTH IT'S A LOT THOUGH.
It's a it's a massacre. You got Jay you got Nas you got Big You got Jay in the case. You got Kiss yeah. I mean come on.
It's a dead It's different IT'S A IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT YOU GOT BUT THEY GOT NO IT'S THE 59 IT'S A DYING ART FORM WHY? LYRICS DON'T MATTER as much. It's a dying ART FORM WHY THOUGH? NO THAT'S NOT TRUE. BECAUSE BECAUSE IT evolved past it. Talent all pain relief and Lil Wayne that's why.
got something for you.
>> [laughter] >> Yo a a wise rapper won't name cuz I don't name drop. Yeah. He said, "Yo, good music will always be around. But in rap, the great lyricists, they will always be at the top of the crop."
So, all the top rappers we thinking of all of all time, like even Drake, cuz when dude when Drake does rap, he's one of them dudes. Hov, Nas, all them dudes is rappers. They rappers. J. Cole, he one of them he to tell you what I mean.
Wayne.
>> Wayne. You can't all that like catchy bull crap you can't That's That's cool.
>> lyricist. Lyr- Can't Lyr- lyricist. You know what I mean? 2Pac, Biggie. Them dudes can rap. Yeah.
But I think the South still is the culture. Yeah, the South The South The South [laughter] The South The South THE SOUTH THE SOUTH >> [clears throat] >> AND LA MOVED THE culture the most in my opinion.
LA? No, they they got one right now.
>> LA is interesting.
>> What's he talking about? He always loses me sometimes. The South THE SOUTH THE SOUTH THE SOUTH AS FAR AS BLACK culture in 2026, the most influential is THE SOUTH.
THE SOUTH IS BLACK CULTURE. NO, MAN. HOW FAR DO I get to go back? Cuz Cube and NWA really started a whole lot of your favorite rappers today.
You really listen to He's not that [clears throat] lyrical. No, no, I'm just Now Now I'm going back to the culture. The The cultural influence. Oh, he's one of the one of the first rap dudes to do all that.
>> influence, but that's what I'm saying.
LA and the South to me move have the biggest influence on on the culture.
>> its influence from like 2006.
Yeah. Like like all the YG [ __ ] is not popping nowadays.
Game correct. But in the early 2000s, LA was the dance [ __ ] All the jerking and then all that Y'all Y'all don't touch that one though and that [ __ ] And since then And y'all don't touch the South.
Yeah, but I'm saying in THE EARLY 2000S, THE WHERE SOLDIER BOY FROM? THEY START DOING ALL THAT. HELLO, WHERE'S SOULJA BOY FROM? The South, of course. ALL THAT GIMMICKY [ __ ] ALL THE DANCING IS IS IS is from the South. BUT THAT'S THAT'S SOUTH STUFF. BUT THAT'S BLACK CULTURE THOUGH, SHADY. Like like that like dancing is black culture. I mean, I guess. Y'all did all the the songs.
Yeah, and what? That's That's cool. But like we really rapping?
>> [laughter] >> Like I'm just saying LIKE THAT STUFF IS THAT STUFF IS IS like it's like glitchy, it's like cheesy, like It is, but it cuts through. Like that's your PREFERENCE [laughter] THOUGH.
THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE.
AND I LIKE THAT THAT'S JUST LIKE >> THAT CHOPPED AND SCREWED sound I do like that chopped and screwed [laughter] from Texas.
See that that's I'M JUST I LIKE I JUST LIKE COME ON NOW.
ANY NOT I'M [laughter] NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT COME ON NOW. BUT ANYBODY CAN DO ALL that though. Anybody can dance and and make melodies. Yeah. But real dudes can't get in the booth and we all can just rap with each other. They Everybody can't do that. I do agree [laughter] with that. Like that's where the moment rap came from the south. Of course.
>> Cuz they can't really rap like that. I agree. Or or dress. That fashion [ __ ] The fashion [ __ ] definitely goes to the fashion from the east. Yeah, from the east coast. Yeah, in the west. In the west. Oh my god. The fashion is definitely though Fashion out Fashion out the south at all. No. Not at all.
Nah, that's not at all. We've been We've been wearing some crazy stuff.
But But good good melodies and and dancing They You know what? Y'all make great beats.
>> If you like lyrical If you like lyrical MIRACLE LYRICAL MIRACLE WITHOUT THE BEATS, dudes like Future wouldn't be around. Dude, I can I don't I don't even Without beats? Without beats. Cuz they can't rap. They can't do lyrics. But you don't Future We're better than Future. We're better singers. We're better singers.
When Future didn't need lyrics cuz them beats was Cuz we don't got lyrics. You can't say you don't You don't need them.
You don't have them. March Madness See That's where my See even that That's where my favorite song March Madness is When I BREAK THAT SONG COME ON, BRO.
YO, I LOVE THAT SONG BUT THAT AIN'T THAT AIN'T NO LYRICS THOUGH. BUT IT DON'T NEED TO BE LYRICS.
>> WAIT WAIT, WHAT'S GOING ON THOUGH? WHY YOU DOING all that? Because of when HE GOES >> IS SO GOOD.
BUT HE DON'T MAKE THE BEAT.
>> [laughter] >> WHEN CHRIS BROWN DID THE BACKFLIP on Beat It Like the March MADNESS SONG OH MY COME ON, BRO. I AIN'T GOING TO LIE, THAT [ __ ] was insane. That's the coldest thing. We talking everything but rap.
That [ __ ] was insane. You talking lyrics though.
THAT'S THE THING. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAYING. YOU TALKING YOU TALKING YOU TALKING >> [laughter] >> HE DID DO THAT. HE'S DRIVEN BY THE BEAT.
BRO, I'M SAYING THAT [ __ ] like the lyrical [ __ ] is is evolved from THE CURTIS BLOW >> [laughter] >> YO, I WILL SAY THIS BRO. LET ME TELL YOU THIS SHADY. The reason why the lyrical stuff hasn't stand the test of time and why it's not Bro, it's not standing the test of time moving forward. It is true. OUR GENERATION DOESN'T [ __ ] WITH IT. I'M TELLING YOU AS A YOUNGER GUY. WE DON'T [ __ ] WITH THE LYRICAL [ __ ] [laughter] AND IT'S PHASING OUT FOR A REASON.
THEY DON'T HAVE ATTENTION SPANS LIKE THAT. BUT WHAT what I'm saying is What I'm saying is all the all the top tier dudes is going to be all time.
Those dudes is rappers. Y'all talking about some beats and all that [ __ ] Y'all talking about some beats. Like bro, nobody's ever putting Youngboy in their top five rappers of all time.
They're just not doing it.
>> In y'all's generation, I completely understand why no one would ever do that.
>> [laughter] >> I wouldn't do it. In 30 But also I'm I'm different. In 30 years They are.
>> you no one under the age of 50 is going to be talking about Nas, Tupac, Jay-Z, Biggie. NO ONE'S GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT [ __ ] I'm sorry. It's just what it is.
It's not timeless music. And it's showing right now that it's not timeless music.
>> How not? It's not timeless [laughter] music. You said what? Y'all definitely ain't making timeless music in this generation. That [ __ ] got a way better chance.
SO SO SO SO YOU KNOW HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF and everything is cyclical.
Jay-Z, Nas, all that type of music is way more THAN BEING RECYCLED.
T-PAIN STUFF from the from the mid-2000s? Timeless music. It is. It's timeless music. Usher stuff from the south mid-2000s? Usher, yes. Not T-Pain.
T-Pain stuff is timeless music.
BARTENDER GETTING PLAYED RIGHT now is still shutting the club down.
Absolutely. What about white people going up to that TO THAT [laughter] BARTENDER?
I GO TO CLUBS, TOO.
WHEN THE LAST TIME YOU BEEN TO BRO, I'M I'M 10 YEARS YOUNGER THAN YOU.
I'M 10 YEARS YOUNGER THAN YOU.
I'M AROUND MY AGE GROUP. YOU'RE AROUND YOURS. WHAT CLUB WHAT CLUB DO YOU GO TO?
YOU ARE 10 YEARS OLDER THAN ME.
>> [laughter] >> BRO, I'VE BEEN IN CLUBS IN NEW YORK. I LIVED THERE for a year AND A HALF. WHAT CLUB WHAT WHAT CLUBS YOU WHAT CLUBS YOU BEEN TO IN LA?
I'M ASKED YOU WHAT CLUBS HAVE YOU JUST BEEN TO?
Amber Room in New York. I've been to Little Sister in New York. I've been to Tao. You just went there? Bro, I WENT THERE 2 WEEKS AGO. SO SUPER BOWL YOU WAS AT UH AT SUPER BOWL I WAS AT BRO, AT SUPER BOWL I WAS AT ALL THE SAME CLUBS THAT PEOPLE WERE AT. COOL. And they was playing T-Pain? Bro, yes. They was playing T-Pain. I go out. I'm I'm outside.
>> YOU'RE AT OPIUM or something in in in Atlanta they going to play a bunch of trap music and you staying around in in sections and whatnot. IT'S STILL BRO, WHAT CLUB ARE YOU IN RIGHT NOW THAT'S PLAYING NAS AND BIGGIE?
THEY STILL PLAY JUICY.
>> NO ONE. THE THE YOU YOU HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF YOU HEARING FUTURE OUT AT THE CLUB RIGHT NOW THAN YOU EVER will hearing Nas and Biggie.
>> You're not hearing You're not hearing him. HE'S NOT HEARING NAS AND BIGGIE AT THE CLUB RIGHT NOW. HE'S MOVING AN ARGUMENT. It don't sound right. He said T-Pain and I'm saying ain't nobody playing that [ __ ] in the club. And I'm at all the real clubs. I don't know I'm at the real clubs.
But you know what? So so so I'll say this though. Talk to me. After every Clippers home game win, California love.
Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do So you might not hear it in the club, but it's being played in LA still to this day. I've been there FOR 20 YEARS.
THAT'S A REGIONAL THING THOUGH. IF I'M in Dallas I'm going to hear International Players Anthem by by UGK.
And if you in New York you're not going to hear that in other places. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's a New York thing. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. What's that UGK What is that again? International Players Anthem.
>> [laughter] >> No no no, it's No, I'm trying to think in my head now until I get to the hook.
>> Now, you know it's the hook. It's uh I don't know it.
OH MY GOD. TAYLOR, HELP US OUT. WHAT'S THE HOOK for International Players Anthem?
I don't know the good song. You just You know you know bro, everybody knows it.
Keep your heart three stacks. Keep your heart. Keep your heart three stacks.
NOW, PLAY YOUR PART. Y'ALL Y'ALL JUST DIDN'T SING THE FAMOUS PART. YEAH.
>> [screaming] >> YEAH, I GOT IT. SO, LIKE MY HOMIES THEM CRAZY, BUT I DON'T LIKE I CAN'T GET into Future like that.
>> BUT, FUTURE AIN'T REALLY PUT OUT NO GREAT music like that. I'm not a Future fan.
I'M NOT A HE CAN'T EVEN RAP.
THEY'RE FROM THE NORTH. I'M TELLING [screaming] YOU THEY DON'T KNOW THIS STUFF. BUT, LISTEN. BUT, HEAR ME OUT.
BUT, HEAR ME OUT. WHEN CARL WAS PLAYING the dice the other day, what was the first thing I said? Is that auto-tune? I just can't rap I can't rap with Travis Scott cuz of the auto-tune FUTURE CUZ OF >> [laughter] >> WHAT WHAT IS HE THOUGH? REAL QUICK. WHO?
TRAVIS SCOTT? EVERYBODY LOVES WHAT DOES HE DO? He's like He don't move me at all.
AS SOON AS I HEAR AUTO-TUNE, I'M JUST AUTO OUT.
>> HIM, but I don't get the hype. So, we we agree with that? I don't GET THE HYPE.
I'M NOT A BIG ON TRAVIS SCOTT EITHER.
WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT? RAP? WHAT IS THAT? He's Houston, right? Yeah, he's from Houston. But, I'm saying like is he a rapper? Is he like a What What is he?
He's a rapper. He like Drake. He like in that I can't get it. He's [laughter] melodic though. He's a rapper though.
Like What about Don Toliver? He's a crazy producer. Auto-tune. I can't get [laughter] with that. I can't I just can't do the auto-tune, bro. You put them boys in the booth with some real rappers, they'll fraud them out. But, don't you Yeah, [laughter] they don't rap like that. But, don't y'all think every every culture got like they equivalent, right? Like to me, Meek. I think Meek lives a lot off beats. Them beats go.
Crate, Meek can rap. Meek can rap. Meek Mill can rap.
>> But, the But, But, when you think about Dreams and Nightmares, to me the beat the beat is different. You know what I'm saying?
>> he's saying is tough though.
>> IT'S TOUGH TOO.
MEEK MILL CAN RAP. THAT WAS TOUGH. MEEK MILL CAN RAP ON THE BEAT, BRO. YEAH.
Meek Mill can rap.
>> [laughter] >> He got the beat though. As soon AS YOU HEAR THE BEAT THOUGH. THE NORTH THE NORTH BY FAR AWAY IS CRAZY. THE NORTH BY FAR AWAY IS MORE LYRICAL.
>> THIS? LIKE [laughter] GRIZZLEY LIKE HE'S MORE EVEN LIKE THE the meme guys, they they're more lyrical.
Football players, right? Some better than other ones, some can do different things. Basketball players, if you put them in the gym, we going to see Dame, oh he's oh he's nice. Oh he damn he not what I thought he was. Football players, yo he's fat he's You put THESE RAPPERS, WE GOING TO GO TO THIS BOOTH CUZ WE WE RAP.
>> Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I guarantee you more dudes from from the North is going to come outside than them other than them other dudes from the >> That's the MEDIUM THOUGH. YEAH.
>> [laughter] >> GIVE ME YOUR OPINION. BUT NOW YOU SAY MAKE A HIT. AND THE CAST and self going to make a hit. Now now NOW MAKE SOME MONEY.
>> [laughter] >> WHO MAKES THE BEAT? THAT MATTER WHO MAKING THE BEAT CUZ YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO SO. TRAVIS SCOTT CAN MAKE HIS OWN BEAT, PUT OUT SOME [ __ ] THAT NOBODY FROM the North can touch right now. Look, you made it this far so might as well go ahead and hit the subscribe button and after that hit the bell button to be notified anytime we go live or drop another video like this. You do not want to miss our content in this oversaturated market.
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