Netflix is expanding its theatrical distribution strategy, releasing films like The Magician's Nephew and The Adventures of Cliff Booth in theaters before streaming, which may indicate a shift toward awards season positioning and broader theatrical commitments. This approach contrasts with traditional streaming-only releases and suggests Netflix is exploring new revenue streams and prestige-building opportunities through theatrical partnerships.
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PCB POD 10: Netflix’s Tgiving treat, Harry Style tour issues, and NEPO BABIES追加:
Hello, I'm Alex.
>> And I'm Lara.
>> And this is the Pop Culture Brain Podcast.
>> Everything you need to know about pop culture, >> not just what's trending. In today's show, Netflix has announced a Thanksgiving treat. Quinta Brunson is planning her Barbie moment, and Nobody Wants This is wising up in season 3. But first, we're going to the ATX TV Festival.
>> Woo!
>> Yeah. Are you excited?
>> I am excited.
>> All right. So, to explain what this is, every year there is a TV industry festival in Austin, Texas. It's called ATX and they get huge panels with stars of TV, creators, writers, casting people. They do a whole weekend of events in Austin. And so we're going to cover it. We're going to be doing uh panel coverage. We're going to be at the panels taking pictures, reporting what's been said, and then also some interviews uh with talent as well, which we're really excited about. And it's going to be an amazing weekend. So follow us all on social uh to keep up with it. Who's going to be there? Uh, Bill Lawrence is going to be there, uh, creator of Scrubs, Shrinking, Ted Lasso, and a bunch of people from those shows, although they haven't clearly stated who exactly. So, we're waiting to see about that.
>> Um, also, >> the cast of Friday Night Lights and creator Jason Kadums, >> very excited about that. They're doing a reunion panel. Uh, Phil Rosenthal and Ray Romano are doing an Everybody Loves Raymond retrospective with also some of their writers >> and Tatiana Maslani and Jake Johnson talking about their new show.
>> Yep. Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed.
>> Uh, cast members from the paper. We're excited about that one.
>> Am I forgetting any of the others?
There's a House of the Dragon panel happening on Thursday.
>> Isn't Taylor Duran going to be there from the >> Sweet Vicious? Taylor Duran and Nick for for a retrospective uh panel on Sweet Vicious.
>> But some of you probably know her from the pit.
>> Yes.
>> Um who else?
>> I'm assuming more people, but those are the those are the big ones.
>> Yeah. And so we're pretty excited. So we'll be there and we can't wait to uh show you our interviews and talk about the festival. We're going to do a whole recap episode of the festival next week, probably on the podcast or maybe the week after that. We're not sure about like when exactly stuff's going to be publishing, but we're interviewing a b maybe potentially a bunch of people we just named and we'll talk all about what we saw on the podcast.
>> Yeah, we I just want to say too, it's like building up to get to a point where you're invited to events like this is a really big deal. So, I don't want to gloss over that and I want to congratulate you on how hard you've been working that we've gotten to this point that you've been able to do this and I'm just I'm grateful to be able to like ride along as you're like compadre on the journey.
>> Yeah. Thanks. It's really exciting.
>> It's fun.
>> Yeah. Should we get into the news?
>> Let's do it.
>> Let's do it. Netflix is giving movie fans the ultimate Thanksgiving treat.
>> Sex.
No, no, unfortunately, but I do have an update on two big stories that we've been tracking.
>> I had to.
>> Yeah, it's fine. So, as you recall, Netflix is releasing Greta Gerwig's Chronicles of Narnia movie, The Magician's Nephew, in theaters everywhere next February.
>> This is a big deal because it's the first time Netflix is giving a movie a real and exclusive wide release in theaters. like it's getting the full theatrical release. First time Netflix has ever done that. And it's going to be in theaters for 45 days total before coming to Netflix, which is great as well. The Magician's Nephew was originally going to be released Thanksgiving weekend, but it was only going to play in IMAX screens, right?
>> So, this has left a lot of people wondering, does this mean Netflix is going to do more theatrical releases?
That's one big question. And the answer to that might be yes, because Netflix just announced that The Adventures of Cliff Booth, the Brad Pit Focus sequel to Quinton Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, is taking those IMAX screens on Thanksgiving.
>> Ah, yes. Okay. I like it.
>> And it's going to play in IMAX for two weeks total and then it comes to Netflix on December 23rd.
>> Got it. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's really exciting.
Tarantino written movie David Fincher directed in the movie >> in the movie theaters. I'm act screens.
So like a thousandish screens, right?
>> Thanksgiving.
>> That's awesome. I mean this movie is going to be huge anyway. We talked about it previously on the podcast. Um you know people love Tarantino, people hate Tarantino also. Uh but people watch his stuff and in retrospect Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has become I think one of like his more beloved movies. I think people really love that movie. I think so. And so you could argue that Cliff Booth is like one of the most intriguing parts of it.
And and so like yeah, this whole movie is is a big win, I think, before it even has come out. And then to be able to see it on the big screen is really exciting.
>> Yeah. And that trailer was very action forward. So like it definitely seems like it's going to be a good movie in IMAX.
>> If it's going to be an IMAX, make it worth my time.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So this answers a lot of questions. Like we had the question of when the Cliff Booth movie was going to come out. Netflix had not released a release date yet. So now we know the release date is Thanksgiving IMAX screens December 23rd at home. And we also had the question after Narnia moved of what was going to be in IMAX theaters on Thanksgiving. That left a big hole in the IMAX schedule. Some were >> theorizing, oh maybe that either Avengers Doomsday or Doom part 3 were going to move to Thanksgiving because the IMAX screens were available, but that that's not h that's not happening.
>> Yep. But anyway, this is really exciting because it also shows that Netflix might actually be like into movie theaters now. Like this is another big release that they're putting in some theaters, more theaters than they have with some of their movies previously. And we were wondering like, okay, after this Greta Gerwig Narnia movie, is Netflix going to commit to theaters? And now we're getting another sign that like they're sort of dipping their toe even further into theaters. There are a lot of people like me who don't actually get to physically go to the movie theaters that often and they make it a point to go >> one or two maybe three times a year for a specific movie that they really want to see.
>> Project Hail Mary was one of those movies for me this year because everyone said you have to see it on big screen.
>> This Cliff Booth movie feels like one of the movies I'd be like I need to see that in theaters. I would like to go see that in theaters. I want bloodshed across the screen. I want fast driving cars across the screen. Like I want to see that in theaters.
>> The only thing though is that is you're only gonna have two weeks to do it.
>> I That's true.
>> So So get We're gonna have to get a babysitter. We're gonna have to plan and one of those weekends is Thanksgiving, >> right?
>> So So you know I mean a lot of people are off.
>> You wouldn't say that it's a familyfriendly kind of a move.
>> Yeah. I don't know if you could bring the kids. I don't know. We should we should look up what else is opening Thanksgiving weekend. Like what the what the Can you I'll I'll talk about this other other thing while you look up what else is what else is opening. The other thing that I was going to bring up about this is does this mean a fall release?
Does that indicate that Netflix is considering this a Oscars movie? Like is this going to be an awards contender?
>> Sounds like it to me.
>> Yeah. Previously there was rumors that Cliff Booth was going to come out in the summer. But now with like a prime fall winter release, that's peak Oscars time.
So I'm like, "Oh, maybe they think this is an awards play. Maybe they're seeing openings in the awards season right now." You know, we just had the Can Film Festival and it was kind of soft in terms of like prestige pictures heading to awards season. So maybe Netflix is like >> Once Upon a Time at Hollywood was represented at the Oscars, you know, so maybe this one could be too, right?
>> It's very very interesting thing. All right, so what else is open?
>> Here's what uh AI is overview on Google is telling me. Hex is coming out the Thanksgiving week.
>> Disney original animation.
>> Narnia. Well, but not anymore. Uh, The Hunger Games, Sunrise on the Reaping.
Okay. Is that correct?
>> And Faulers in Law.
>> Yeah. All of those seem a little soft to me.
>> Yeah.
>> Hunger Games one, the last one was not like a gigantic.
>> Yeah. A lot of people didn't see it.
>> Yeah. So, this one, you know, who knows?
It could go either way.
>> So, and that and the Disney and the Disney one, you know, Disney's had a bit of a rough time with its originals recently. So it Netflix is smart for doing this because it seems like there's going to be >> that that Thanksgiving might be a little bit soft. Christmas is going to be crazy because of Doomsday and and Doomsday and Dune this year. And also there's a Jumanji movie releasing in December, but uh Netflix is smart for for going with Cliff Booth and Thanksgiving and it's I think it's a win for everyone all the way around.
>> Yeah, that's that's awesome.
>> Yeah. Harry Styles has to redo some of his massive world tour due to fan backlash and he's only 10 days into the tour.
>> O, you know that's going to be expensive.
>> Big time. Yikes. Oh no.
>> So basically, Harry Styles is back on tour for the first time in three years.
He's promoting his album Kiss All the Time Disco occasionally. Big tour.
>> Big tour. World tour that includes a residency in New York later on this year. It kicked off earlier this month in Amsterdam and pretty immediately there was a ton of fan backlash and this came up naturally in my algorithm. Um, so I saw it there primarily on on Tik Tok.
>> The issue stage design.
>> Oh.
>> So what's happening is fans who paid the heftier price for the VIP tickets >> which were definitely very expensive.
>> Very expensive cuz you know how ticket prices are right now. They are now attending the show only to discover that they are missing Harry in parts due to obstructed view. Oh yeah, that's a bummer.
>> So the way that the stage is designed, it has these arches, like bridges in the middle of the runway that he runs across. So he's running and it goes over a bridge and then he keeps running. That bridge is blocking people's view of Harry in other when he's in other parts of the stadium and arena.
>> And so it turns out that actually if you're buying the cheaper seats that are further away, you are getting a better view of Harry Styles on this tour.
>> Yeah, I saw a picture or video of this.
So, it's maybe if we can try and describe it a little bit more. There's like a main stage and then there's sort of like a almost like a race car shaped track that goes around the whole pit.
>> It's like a gigantic square.
>> It's like a big square and that's the whole stage. But what you're saying is that Yeah.
>> in the middle of those side of those squares there's an arch and so >> probably so people get inside of it, right?
>> No, it's just cuz it looks cool. Okay.
All right. Yeah. And so the people that are on the floor seat, they look up and they have this huge bridge there. And then when Harry is on the other side of the stadium, they can't see him. The bridge is totally blocking their view of him running, dancing, doing whatever.
And obviously these people are pissed cuz they paid a lot of money for the VIP tickets and this is what they get. So, everyone took to Tik Tok to complain, which worked because Harry's team saw the complaints, recognized the issue, and now they're doing something about it. According to Billboard, they posted on the team's official Instagram story saying, quote, "We want every person in the room to have the best experience possible, and we are actively working on making adjustments adjustments to improve visibility while keeping everyone's safety a priority." They said they're altering the front bridges.
They're using temporary barricade adjustments to the left and right front GA pits. And they also say that they're working to make adjustments for the future venues because they only have it figured out at the first couple places now so far. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. And and also, >> yeah, >> this is just like an aside, but people are also kind of making fun of Harry Styles a little bit on this tour because he's using wired microphones as he's running around this gigantic >> what >> it makes no sense. But but then I was doing trying to do a deep dive on this.
I think this is like one of his like things like he likes to use the wired mic, but of course he's getting all tangled up. He's dancing. It makes no sense logistically and and people are getting videos of like kind of these gaffs of him like with the cord and then he has to switch to a wireless ultimately anyway when when all this happens. So like why not just use the wireless from the get-go?
>> Yeah, I understand. Yeah, the wire if if you're like in one place.
>> Sure.
>> And the wired mic and you want to like, you know, like play with the cord and stuff. Sure. Like, but yeah, if you're running all about and that's just just awkward.
>> He's running up and down and you see the videos of him like just like yanking the cord behind him and trying to pull it as he keeps running and it's just like so awkward.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, but you know, my bigger takeaway from all of this, like they're going to fix these issues, right? My bigger takeaway from all of this is how interesting it is that Tik Tok has become the place to gripe about concert issues of course because there didn't used to be this platform and way to do that. And so you would just like go to the concert and you wouldn't know the set list until you went to the concert.
You wouldn't know anything about it and and that was it. And now because of Tik Tok people sharing videos like crazy, they're just like griping left and right. And what comes to mind is also like Justin Timberlake late last year with the end of his tour with people posting videos of him like being kind of lazy with his performance at the end and not energetic. And I think also what's happening is >> the last big tour before these ones was Taylor Swift's tour which was like so perfected especially by the end that everyone is like comparing to that and they're just like finding all these things to to pick apart. Um so yeah.
>> Yeah. In the past, there would be reviews in the newspaper or in music magazines of what a tour was like, and that's all all you had to go on. Or if you had a friend who told you like what happened at at a show, but now everything is super under a mag magnifying glass.
>> Yeah. You used to like if someone went to a tour before you, the concert, they would be like, "Okay." And then there was this cool part where like this thing came down from the ceiling and then Justin Timberlake comes out of that and it's like so cool and your mind is blown. Now, it's like I'm seeing that video 3 weeks before I go to the tour, so I know exactly what it's going to look like. It's kind of a bummer, honestly. But it is useful in a situation like this >> to to use it to fix an issue. My other thing is like, how did Harry Styles team miss this? How do they not think of this? How do they not have people testing out all locations of venues and stage design before giving a green light? Uh probably because their whatever director, crew, what have you was probably, you know, whoever is putting the show together was at a table somewhere in one spot the entire time they were developing it and that was it.
With the way that that stage is set up, they were probably like, "Oh my god, it's going to be so great for these fans when he's right there in front of them."
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And they probably didn't think when he's on the other side that people would care because they're because they get to see him up close for for at least one part at another part of the show, right? I I'm sure that everyone in the house can see the regular stage, the main precinium end of the stage with the band and everything.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I could see how it was an oversight.
>> Yeah.
>> Doesn't make it bright or good.
>> But also to me, when I saw the videos of the stage, I was like, this is too much.
>> Like, who car? Like, it's it looks like a giant racetrack around the entire GA section. And I'm like, is is he really gonna like run all the way down to the other side and then it's just him over there on the other side and like that's like who cares?
>> Justin Timberlake has I've gone to a lot of Justin Timberlake concerts cuz I do love him and and he's been >> he's been doing kind of staging like this for a long time where if there's multiple locations and runways and and the other problem that happens too is that these guys get so winded just from the running. Like I would rather them use that energy towards the vocal performance and the dancing. If you're that kind of entertainer, I don't want you to be like running and just out of breath from that and not be able to perform better.
>> Yeah, it's kind of it's it it is kind of odd. Back to Eristo Taylor Swift, like her stage was also a thrust where it came out and she had all of her dancers also coming with her and it was really taking place on those multiple parts of the stage, highly choreographed and planned out.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that that there's a way to do it well.
>> Yes. But just to h it just looked it just looked odd in in the videos the Harry Styles stage. I was like this is crazy how like big and long it is and and that he's just like one guy who's going to be going out there.
>> Right. Right. Right.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know.
>> Well, at least they're fixing it.
>> Yeah. Nobody Wants This is going to solve the show's biggest problem in season 3.
>> Great.
>> All right. So, forgive me because this story is kind of specific. And if you don't watch Nobody Wants This on Netflix, you might not care about this story. But I thought this quote about season 3 was pretty fascinating and maybe it'll open up a bigger conversation about romantic comedies on TV specifically. So, the show's created by Aaron Foster. It stars Adam Brody and Kristen Bell. It's aired two seasons so far and they just wrapped filming on season 3. Now, to me, the problem with doing a romantic comedy series on television where it's like a long-running thing, the entire premise of the show is about whether a couple will get together or not. It's about them being a couple, their love. And so, at a certain point, the will they won't they of that will run its course, >> especially when the show is entirely focused on that as being the main thing.
You know, you had shows like Friends where there was like a will they won't they between Ross and Rachel over the course of the entire show, but also it's an ensemble comedy and it was about a lot of other things as well. But eventually, if the show is just focused on the romance, it's going to it grows frustrating for the viewer if they are constantly getting together and breaking up over the course of many seasons.
Right. Okay. So, I felt like this is definitely the case already with Nobody Wants This in season two. And season two even felt like this constant threat to break them up, which would basically end the show cuz the entire premise is about their relationship, was a lot of spinning its wheels, a lot of wheel spinning. And it seems Aaron Foster, who created the show, is aware of that as well because she said at a recent FYC event that Adam Brody and Kristen Bell's characters are officially together.
>> Okay.
>> Yes. So her quote was, "There's no more breaking up. There's no more like running to each other. Now it's like, okay, let's move forward and see what that looks like." Quote, "It was important for me to show the back half of early romance when things get real, and it's not always a fairy tale, but it is a different kind of love story. It's a different kind of fairy tale, which is like the stability and trusting each other. It doesn't sound sexy, but that is the foundation of a good relationship."
The second season was a problem for the show because the first season was actually really great, right? Like they get together, they have their issues, they they decide to be together in the end, which is kind of like the course of a romcom movie. Y >> and it it felt complete and like a nice little package. And then the second season, they just did not know what to do. And clearly, like if you watch the show, you know the primary issue in the relationship is the religion. Like that that's really what it comes down to. So, it's kind of got this whole keeping the faith thing happening. Um, but like at a certain point they do have to figure it out because it just becomes monotonous, right?
>> And >> I also think that because of that and especially if Aaron Foster knows that this show is not going to last very long. I don't think it's going to be like a it's not going to be like an eight season running show. I well no Netflix shows run eight seasons anymore unless it's like >> bridge or >> but I I I wouldn't be surprised if well they would have announced that it was the final season I think if the third season was the final but I I would think it would be like four seasons maybe and that would be it.
>> I think it could go five or six seasons.
>> You think so?
>> I think it I think it could I think that it depends. It depends if they want to keep progressing right this the first season meeting and falling in love and then getting together and then the second season is like are we really doing this? can we really do this with you being a rabbi and me not being Jewish? And then it seems now they finally at the end of that season have come to the conclusion, yes, they're doing it. And then it was frustrating for some of the second season to watch the back and forth on that. That's what I meant by like spinning its wheels. And so now, yeah, if they're if they're doing it, show us like what that looks like and how they're going to make that happen. And then in the future you could do have them getting married and what raising kids going to look like if they want to like really keep going and you know they could do flash forwards like move the story forward to to later parts in their in their lives and and relationship. I think that is a way to sustain it over over a longer period of time.
>> Yeah. I think it just becomes a different kind of show then.
>> Okay.
>> But I mean >> why not?
>> Yeah. I don't know.
>> Emily and Paris just announced is ending what? Six seasons. It'll be the the sixth and final season.
>> So, that's a template for like what Netflix comedies do these days, the biggest ones.
>> That's true. They lasted six seasons.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, are you are you excited for the for the next season?
I'm I'm I'm I'm hopeful based on this quote.
>> Based on this quote, I'm hopeful. The the second season was a bummer for me. I love Kristen Bell so so much. I love Adam Brody so so much. God. But I I just The second season was like a bummer. And I'm such a romcom person. I love it so much that I I want to see it done right >> and I don't want it to and that's the other thing. I don't want it to go too long where it starts to get bad. That is what happened with Emily and Paris.
True. Like yes, it lasted six seasons, but I haven't watched the most recent season, so forgive me. All I know though is that when it came out, my algorithm was like full of people just hate watching it. Like it got to the hate watching point, and you don't want that to happen either. So, it's a delicate dance. Yeah. Plus, one other thing, Emily has dated a shitload of people on Emily in Paris. It's not just >> been her and one guy the entire time.
>> So, >> all right.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
>> This could be a historic year for actors getting double acting nominations. And one person might even get nominated for four Oscars for acting.
>> Stop. No. There's not going to be a quadruple. One person's going to be nomin get four Oscar nominations this year. That is what they're saying.
>> Oh my god, that's so crazy. All right, baby. Okay, so we're talking about two people here. So, first we're going to go with fan favorite Jason Baitman. People love Baitman. According to Gold Derby, he has a shot at being nominated for two acting Emmys. So, we're going to talk Emmys first.
>> Oh, okay. We're talking Emmy and then we're going to talk Oscars. Okay. He has a shot at being nominated for two acting Emmys. He could be nominated in lead actor in a limited series for Netflix's Black Rabbit. Yep. and supporting in a limited series for HBO Max's DTF St. Louis.
>> Okay.
>> And just last week, his odds by Gold Derby improved in both races. So up 4% for lead and up 11% for supporting.
>> People love him.
>> People do love Baitman. Low key, he's also Emmy eligible as a director for Black Rabbit and as a producer for both.
So he could also receive five nominations total for the two projects, but again two of them would be acting Emmys specifically.
>> Okay. I believe that. I believe that. So the Emmys have mult usually have a few people who get nominated like twice every year. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Cuz there's a lot of shows going on and they're short.
>> They're short rather.
>> So here's the real wild one and I'm going to say her name wrong. Sandra Huler.
>> Yeah. Okay. So >> okay, now now I'm following where you're going.
>> Now you see where I'm going with this, right? Yeah. So, uh, Sandra Hooler was, uh, in Anatomy of a Fall a few years ago, but now a lot of people most likely know her from Project Hail Mary.
>> Yes.
>> Right. So, the German actress is also in three other movies this year. Yep.
>> Fatherland. Yep.
>> Rose, and Digger.
>> Okay. Wow.
>> And according to the >> She was in Digger.
>> Yes. And according to the BBC, she could be nominated for acting for all four of those movies because she is that good in them. potentially two supporting actress nominations. One for Project Hail Mary and the the specific scene they mention in that one is the karaoke scene, >> of course.
>> Right.
>> Um and also that she could be nominated for supporting for Digger, which will come out later this year and it's an Alejandro Gonzalez and Aritzu movie with Tom Cruz.
>> Tom Cruz. So that's a big deal >> and it's like a comedy and he's like and Cruz is going to be under heavy prosthetics, right?
>> It's like a whole wild thing.
>> But apparently she is great in that movie. And then she also could earn two lead nominations for Fatherland, which just played at Canraise, and for this other movie, Rose, which I don't know about. Now, a lot of this is possible. We talked about this recently because the Oscars changed some of their rules with like how many times you could be nominated in acting categories. Um, but according to several articles I several articles I found, she could really get multiple nominations because she's that good in them. They some articles said maybe not all four movies, but like at the very least she could get two. Um >> yeah, I think two two sounds two sounds right. I feel like Project Hail Mary is so huge >> that that a supporting feels very likely.
>> Um all these other ones right now to me seem a little bit more u mysterious and uh ambiguous.
>> Yeah.
>> But Digger seems like it's going to be a big a big hit. These other ones seem a little bit more lower profile. So, we'll see what happens with their campaigns and if they can break out, but um I could I could certainly see a lead and a supporting happening.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's interesting. And then I I also um I mean I just feel like I've been hearing a lot about Fatherland because of Can these past weeks that is one that I've been seeing more buzz about than some of the other movies. So, that gives me some promise there. Now, I did look this up.
In Oscar history, there have been 12 actors to receive one nomination each in the same year in supporting and lead.
Um, but nobody has ever won both.
>> No. Yeah, that would be wild.
>> That would be wild. There have been people who have won one. People have won neither. Yeah.
>> But there it's happened 12 times. Recent um examples of this are Scarlett Johansson. Okay. Jamie Fox, Kate Blanchett, and Julianne Moore.
>> Damn. Damn.
>> Yeah. Interesting, right? Very interesting. Very interesting.
>> It's funny because remember when we talked about this on the podcast a few weeks ago, you said like no, who's going to actually go for this and try and like win these and and I said someone's going to try and do it.
>> I I just don't think it's likely. I just don't think it's likely that a person is going to be nominated against themsself.
That just doesn't that just doesn't seem seem seem likely to me. It just it feels like it feels like if you're voting >> Mhm. Well, I guess if you get enough votes for one movie and then enough votes for another movie, but if I'm voting, you know, for the nominations, I'm not going to put a person twice.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, I'm not going to be like, I loved Sandra Huler as the lead in this and I loved her as the lead in that, so I'm going to put both of those performances down. That seems unlikely.
What's what is likely what is I guess could be likely is if a a chunk of people put her down for one movie and a chunk of people put her down for the other movie. And then if that's enough people, I guess then then she could get the two nominations. The way that like the campaigns work and stuff, I feel like it's just like >> a performer can only be stretched so thin to talk about one thing. It really there really has to be like an organic >> movement around a performance and and a person.
>> For Project Hail Mary, that seems certainly seems likely right now.
>> It's very very early in the year, so who knows?
>> No, I totally agree. But I just maybe it's just because it's it's also a female. I'm like go girl. Like I just think it's [ __ ] cool. Um and that it it might be a woman who would who would pull off a historic beat like that first. I just think that's badass. Um so I'm kind of rooting for her no matter what cuz I think it's cool as [ __ ] >> Cool.
>> Quinta Brunson is bringing Betty Boop to the big screen.
>> A >> and this might be her Barbie moment. So at 36 years old, Quint Brunson has two Emmys, a Golden Globe, a Peabuddy, a SAG award, and an independent spirit award.
>> Okay, go off, Queen.
>> I know. And those are all for one project, Avid Elementary. And while Avid Elementary is showing no signs of slowing down, it's not been cancelled.
It's going to keep keep going and making more episodes. It's clear that Quint Brunson also has movie ambitions because Variety reported last week that she's developing and will also star in a Betty Boop movie.
>> Cool. Brunson's company, Fifth Chance Productions, has partnered with Mark Flecher, the grandson of Betty Boop's creator, Max Flecher, and his company, Flecher Studios, on this project. And now, it's unclear if the movie is going to be live action or animated. Though, it kind of seems like it's going to be live action. And what's also being kept vague is if Brunson is playing Betty Boop specifically and how. But Variety did have some details on the story. So the quote was, "The film will trace the origin and evolution of Betty Boop through the perspective of her creator, Max Flecher, examining the relationship between the artist and his creation as he navigates the creative and commercial pressures of building one of the world's first animated icons, particularly as that icon begins to take on a life of its own.
>> It kind of reminds me of the Tom Hanks movie about making Mary Poppins.
>> Yeah. Yeah, there is that. There is that. Saving Mr. Banks.
>> Yes. Thank you. Saving Mr. Banks. To me, it sounds a little bit like Barbie. So, because the movie is by this description is gonna be as much about the history of the creator as it is and like his like biopic kind of as the character Betty Boop herself based on that description.
And to me, there's definitely shades of Greta Gerwig's Barbie here because in that movie, the toy interacted with her creator and the toy company that is like making Barbie in the real world. Is there is their pitch going to be like Betty Boop comes to life or is the cartoon character going to come into the real world like Roger Rabbit style? Um, is Quinta Brunson going to be playing a liveaction version of Boop or an animated version? Like there's a lot of unknowns here, but based on what that description is, it seems like this is going to have a more meta sort of take on it than just like the Betty Boop movie of like the adventures of Betty Boop.
>> Betty Boop. Yeah.
>> Which which is interesting. Now, this might cause some discussions about the character's race.
>> Well, that's what I've been thinking the whole time.
>> Yes. Yes. So, Quint Bronson is obviously black.
>> Yeah.
>> Betty Boop, the cartoon character, is not and never was depicted as black.
>> Right.
>> Okay. But according to Mark Flecher, the grandson of Max Flecher, the guy who created it, quote, "The concept that Betty Boop grew out of and reflected the jazz age culture of her time is absolutely true. Yet, as history shows, she was not modeled after any single performer. So, what I did, what I learned in the research is that there's been some like myths about who Betty Boop was based off of. And apparently back in the day, >> Max Flecher was sued by a white jazz performer like taking her likeness. And then in part of the lawsuit to defeat that performer's claim, a bunch of black performers came forward and were like, "Well, actually, you stole our thing."
>> Oh.
>> And so now people associate Betty Boop with like black performers from the jazz age. Okay.
>> Though Mark Flecher, the grandson, said that Betty Boop was not based off anyone specifically. So there's this thing of like, yes, Betty Boop came from black culture, but not any specific black character. and Betty Boop, the cartoon character herself, is white.
>> So, it's interesting that like Quinta Brunson is attached to the project. The Jazz Age culture was created by black artists. So, yeah.
>> Yeah, there's there's there's there's a lot there uh to unpack, but I do unpack, but I do think it's pretty bold that you've got a black actress that is potentially taking on on the role.
Again, we don't know if she's playing Betty Boop specifically that hasn't been announced. And this movie doesn't have a studio. It's like super early stages it seems. Uh but I just find it interesting that like I was like oh shades of Barbie interesting history to the character here. There was just a Betty Boot musical on Broadway. So like it's there's a thing something is happening you know it's another IP to be to be mined.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And and also interesting that that Quinta Brunson uh is like trying to push into movies. She had a movie deal like two years ago for an original comedy film but it seems that never came to fruition.
>> Yeah. So, I don't know uh what's going on there. Eddie Murphy banned his kids from acting until they were 18 years old, >> but the rule might have just blown up in his face.
>> Oh, no.
>> So, did you know that Eddie Murphy has 10 children from five different mothers?
>> No.
>> His oldest is 37year-old Eric Murphy. Uh that's the one who recently married Martin Lawrence's daughter, Pette McNeely. That's so cute.
>> And Eddie Murphy's youngest child is 8-year-old. He has an 8-year-old Max.
>> Okay. Anyway, Murphy, >> Murphy, that's a great name.
>> Anyway, Murphy's seventh child, Bella, recently revealed that Murphy has a rule for his children. No acting until you're 18.
>> And Bella told People magazine that she wanted to be in movies when she was younger, saying, "I would always ask my dad, can I please be an extra in this movie, please?" And he'd always say, "No, because we have a rule that we can't act or work until we're 18 in this industry." Now, Murphy, in my opinion, has a pretty good reason for that. Bella said he really wanted me to have a normal childhood, which I'm very appreciative of. And I think I think that makes makes a lot of sense, you know, because he has has wealth and riches and and you know, we've heard from many former child actors that it that it is quite emotionally and psychologically uh traumatizing, torturous some on occasion. Sometimes it's fine, but sometimes it can be really rough for child child actors. And Eddie Murphy started out really young as well. He was on SNL when he was 18 years old. and like in all those movies like before he was even 20. So, it's really Yeah, he he knows he knows what it's like to be very young and thrust into the spotlight. But in Bella's case, keeping her from acting might have had the opposite effect as she just appeared in the new Happy Madison Netflix comedy film Roommates. And she said her dad's ban on acting made it more appealing to her.
>> Oh no.
>> She said that kind of made me even more obsessed with it because I was like, "Oh, I can't do it now. So, by the time that I'm able to do it, I want to be as prepared as possible. I was like, "It's the coolest job ever." I'm like, "I want to do that." And she said she knew she wanted to act by the time she was 9 years old.
>> Oh, she's had to wait a while.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh she did previously appear in Eddie Murphy's movie Coming to America, the sequel, the Amazon sequel to Coming to America. But Murphy said that he did not give her special treatment to get that role. And he said, quote, "She had to audition for Craig Brewer, who directed the movie. I wasn't musling my kid into the movie. She had to really be able to, you know, deliver otherwise she wouldn't have gotten the role.
>> Listen, you know, if it backfired in this space, so what? She's an actress now. So what? There are plenty of like Nepo babies and whatever. And and it seems like she really wanted to do it, so let her let her live. I don't know.
Like it's awesome.
>> Yeah.
>> Um she can choose to to try and ride her dad's coattails or not. It doesn't seem like he's going to give into that kind of stuff, and that's okay. Uh, so yeah, like you know, if I see her pop up in in something here and there, I'd be like, "Good for you." But you went and did the thing if that's what you wanted to do.
>> Yeah. People get people get really bent out of shape about about Nepo babies.
>> I know. I don't really get it.
>> I get it and I don't. I see the argument that like Hollywood and acting is is a very coveted uh career. Everyone wants to be famous. It's very it look it appears to be very glamorous. If you are in the top echelon of performers, you can make a lot of money. We know that.
And so a lot of people have the dream of doing that. And they see people who are the children of famous actors already sort of as cutting the line. And people feel like, oh, to get into that field, it should be merit-based. Like it should be based off talent. And I and I and I think that argument is valid. You want to see the most talented if you when you're watching a movie, a show, whatever, you want to see the most talented actors. And there could be an argu argument to be made that like, oh, whoever like the child of whoever is not going to be by default the most talented. They're just the most that they just have the easiest access. And there's millions of other people who are more talented than them that should have gotten that. I understand that argument.
But also, >> this is not like exclusive to Hollywood.
Yeah. You know, like your your your plumber down the street is part of a family plumbing business and his father was a plumber and his father was a plumber >> and the ice cream shop owner who's had the shop for 50 years and is now their kids and grandkids are taking over it.
Same thing.
>> Are they Nepo babies? Right. Right. So, so there's there's that argument. And then there's so and and and it's the same kind of thing, right? If your dad's a plumber and you are around plumbing all the time and he's taken you to work when you're a kid and he can easily teach you how to do his work, it just makes sense that you would go into that work. And it's really the same sometimes for the ch children of actors who see, oh, my parent is an actor. I see that's a viable career that they can do.
They've showed me. I've been to set. I see how it works. It's an industry like anything else. And I feel drawn to that as well. And that's just like >> how it is. So there's I can see both sides to this.
>> I see both sides. The other argument too is that if they're good actors, they're good actors and and and so >> yeah, >> like like Maya Hawk um I've seen uh Bill Pullman's son, Lewis Pullman, and a bunch of stuff recently like if they're good actors, who cares, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> I just I I don't know. There are some I'll agree are not so good. And I'm like, "Okay, you're just a really good-looking guy who looks like your dad or mom or whatever, and clearly they pulled some strings and you're in some like Netflix movie. That's fine, but but like some of these other people are legitimately good." And so I'm just like, you can't knock the whole system >> um for it. I don't know. I think it's a kind of stupid argument. Jack Quaid has a quote about this because, you know, Jack Quaid from The Boys, Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan's Yeah. uh son. He has a he has a good quote about it that I've made a video on a couple times where he acknowledges that like, yeah, I was born on third base in in in reflection of this and that I certainly had easier access to get an agent and to to do this than most people do. And he also says, "But I've also had the door shut in my face many times, too." Right? And so like so like I think that there are >> I think that there are some performers where their parent is so famous.
>> Yeah.
>> That like they really can do whatever they want. Yeah.
>> Um if their parent is is like a mega producer for example and makes a lot of their own movies and and you know then we'll just cast their child in whatever.
There are some some examples of that.
But for most of the quote unquote Nepo babies, yeah, getting an agent, getting auditions, uh, like Jack Wade is saying is easier. But I don't think that like Meg Ryan or or Dennis Quaid can call up a showrunner and be like, "Cast my son."
No, he still has to be good in the audition when that comes around.
Exactly.
>> That's right. And and and so same with like Lewis Pullman, like Bill Pullman's son. Like I really feel there are only a few very powerful, very famous people who actually can make the call or produce their own stuff and put their children in it that will then get that person cast in something.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe maybe this is naive of me, but I but then for everyone else, I don't I don't think I don't think like a Bill Pullman or a Meg Ryan has as much sway as people think they do.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
>> Yeah. All right. All right. And now on to our hottakes segment where we do pop culture hot takes in one minute. And uh no, this wasn't stolen from I don't think so, honey from Lost Culture.
>> All right.
>> It was a little bit It was a little bit a little bit stolen from them. Okay, I'm ready.
>> Ready. Okay, hot takes. Your time starts now.
>> Hot take. It's okay to like a show or a movie that other people do not like.
>> Okay. I want everyone to like whatever they like and not feel bad about it. And this has been spurred on by The Mandalorian and Grou releasing in theaters this weekend. The movie has middling reviews. It's kind of in the 60s on Rotten Tomatoes. A lot of Star Wars, old Star Wars fans, a lot of my fellow movie influencers do not like this movie, but I I kind of enjoyed it.
I did. I did. I I gave it a three and a half out of 10 or three and a half out of five on Letterbox, seven out of 10.
And I had a generally positive review and so I got a bunch of comments of people saying Disney paid you for this review. That is not the case. I just like the movie. I'm sorry. And I feel the same thing about Saturday Night Live. People say it's horrible now. I still like it. And basically, be confident in your opinions. Like what you like and don't apologize. Your tastes are your own. As long as you're not hurt any hurting anyone, you don't have to justify your preferences >> and time.
>> Yeah. The one thing I didn't get to mention also was Disney's Wish.
>> Remember? Okay. Disney's Wish, which came out in 2023.
>> I was just talking about this movie this week to someone.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> People hate that movie. They hate it so much. They hate the songs. They think they're dumb. They just think the movie is like a hollow cash grab just trying to, you know, reinvent and capitalize on Disney's former tropes. Disney's Wish is a good movie. I'm sorry. We like it a lot. I think that it was cleverly written. I do think the songs are actually good. The songs are very good.
>> If you give them give them a second, >> Star Makes me cry. Yeah.
>> Or you're a star, whatever it is.
>> And so that was just another example of just like screw you people if you don't if you don't like the movie. That's that's fine. But I want I don't want anyone to ever feel bad for liking something because, you know, like what you like. We only have so much time here. And don't feel guilty. Just because you like The Mandalorian and Grou or just because you like Saturday Night Live or just because you like Wish um doesn't mean that you are uh a bootlicker to bootlicker to a major corporation. It's it it's fine.
>> And don't yuck my yum.
>> Yeah.
>> Don't yuck my Yeah. Exact. Exactly. Now, if you want to leave comments and say, "I didn't like this movie for whatever reasons," that's fine. But when you accuse, you know, your favorite creator of getting paid when they haven't put a, you know, hashtag ad and paid promotion on their post when they do that on all the other things that they've been paid for, you're just being a jerk.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And seriously, if I had a if I had if I got paid for every time someone accused me of being paid for liking a movie that some people didn't like, I'd be like so rich. I wish I wish I got paid. The amount of times people accuse me of being paid.
And there's one more thing I want to say about about Disney's Wish. The song, the King song that everyone hates. Okay.
>> This is the thanks I get.
>> This is the thanks I get. Everyone hates hates that song.
>> And they and back in the day, back in 2023, they made fun of the lyric that goes, >> "Yeah, what is it that people, >> I let you I let you live here for free, and I don't even charge you rent."
>> Okay. They're like, "Why does he say that? It's redundant."
That was the joke.
The lyric is meant to be funny. It's a joke that he's arrogant and stupid and he repeats himself.
>> Yeah.
>> And and and everyone was so like mad about this lyric because they thought it was dumb. But it's literally a It It's supposed to be funny.
>> Yeah.
>> It because it's reflecting how dumb the character How dumb the character is.
>> Yeah.
I I I'm mad about it to I'm mad about people's reaction to this day.
>> Go watch Wish with nothing but an open heart.
>> Yeah, that's so sweet. That's so sweet.
You ready for yours?
>> Yes, I'm ready.
>> Okay, one minute starts now.
>> Hot take. The action sequence in a movie does not need to be longer than 15 or 20 minutes.
I don't need 45 minutes of rockets. I don't need 45 minutes of car crashes. I don't need 45 minutes of stupid um characters from comic books or video games smashing each other until their arm socket robot falls off. I just need about 15 20 minutes and I'm good because we all know how it's going to end. It's going to end with the good guy winning.
It might end if it's a middle middle like act two sequence. It might end with like the old guy dying and then and then the young guy has to redeem him in the end and final brawl or it might end with the bad guy winning and then then the good guy needs to redeem himself in the final act. But ultimately we're just drawing out a thing that we already know how that is going to end and it becomes really boring and tedious when you're just watching the same punches or zooms across the screen forever.
>> H No, I think it's fair. I think it's fair.
>> I can't tell you how annoyed I get at a Marvel movie. Not not to not to knock all the Marvel movies because I actually do love some of them and I know there's a big fandom, but it's not just Marvel.
It's like any movie. It's like two and a half hours and the final brawl or chase scene at the end is 45 minutes.
>> It's the end of the movie.
>> Oh my gosh. You didn't see the most recent Avatar, did you?
>> I didn't. Oh, it was it was it was peak that where it's just like so much so much extra extra action. The reason for this is because CGI has gotten so good.
>> I don't care.
>> Let me tell you something.
>> The reason is because is because it used to be action sequences were very expensive and now because CGI has gotten so good, they've been able to make them longer and crazier because they can do it. And so like everyone wants to show off how like crazy their action is, >> right? But I don't think the average person truly has the attention span for it. I certainly Okay, if you're a bro with a big dick and you do, congrat [ __ ] But the rest of us don't. I don't have the attention span. My daughter watching Star Wars today didn't have the attention span. My dad, who I took to a certain movie a number of years ago, fell asleep during the final action scene because it went on for 40 minutes. I mean, this is like me out of my misery already. I just It's just It's just unnecessary. I get the excitement of it all, but just like real adrenaline in real life, it doesn't last that long, right? It's a temporary finite thing to pump you up and then you need a release.
It's over. So that's how these sequences should be.
>> Yeah.
>> 15 20 minutes. Great.
>> What What about the movies that are like all action sequences mostly?
>> Give me an example.
>> Mad Max Fury Road. Did you ever see it?
>> I did. I'm trying to remember how I felt watching I I can't I don't know.
>> I think that that's the one one exception that there are certain movies if that's the whole movie.
>> Yeah. Where they're like based around this is going to be a pure like like not a lot of dialogue pure just like action vehicle and everything. Now, Mad Max Fury Road is like the peak of this kind of storytelling where they told a compelling story in that and most of it was entirely action and it has and it has peaks and valleys, right? There are there are different like sequences, but it's all action like pretty much all the way through.
>> I'm thinking of another movie that I really liked a lot and wondering if this would fall into that. Baby Driver.
>> Yeah, I think >> not so much.
Not that one doesn't bother me.
>> Yeah. But there they're also that also does have like a lot of plot dialogue.
Yeah. Um >> but like I'm I'm also thinking of like you know what's one of the most the most famous action sequences of all time. Can you think of what I'm thinking of?
>> No, probably not. There's a lot of them.
>> Spielberg Saving Private Ryan, >> right?
>> 20 minutes. Everyone talks about that >> 25. But >> that like opening 20 minutes of that movie being one of the best like war scenes they've ever seen in their whole life. It's it's 20 minutes roughly.
We'll double check that. But >> and it doesn't out outstay its welcome.
>> Correct. And there are other scenes in the movie that are also about that length, but they don't need to be longer than that.
>> What about your beloved Titanic?
>> The like boat sinking takes a long time.
>> It does take a long time.
Um, but not all of that is also like hard action the whole time.
>> True. He's doing micro storytelling within the like >> you're cutting to romance happening.
You're cutting to violinists. You're cutting to people making peace with the with like the end of their life. Like there's a lot going on there. It doesn't feel the same as like >> a a a car flying across a racetrack or something for 40 minutes. That Yeah.
>> Fair. All right. All right. Now, our final segment. What we've been watching, reading, listening to. You know, what we're putting in our eyes, ears, and brains.
>> The thing I say every time because that's what I say every time.
>> All right. Do you want to go? You got You got >> um Well, we finished Rooster, so that was really fun. Loved that show. Um >> very sweet ending.
>> Sweet ending.
>> But there's a good example of of a couple that that should not be doing a will they want they any go going forward.
>> Yeah. you know, uh, the daughter and and Phil Dunster, they like be broken up for good. If in if in the second season they're still like maybe they're going to get back together, that would be very very bad.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. What else?
>> Um, okay. Uh, wait, let me look at my list. Hold on. I should have I always I should always just do this before.
>> All right. I'll I'll I'll just I'll just say two of mine.
>> Yours?
>> And then we'll come back to you. I watched a movie called My End Kicks.
awesome Canadian indie comedy coming of age takes place in 2011 in Montreal and it's about a young woman who is a music critic and journalist and she's just like a mess in her life and it's all about like her you know foibless of work and love and it's a little bit like girlsesque a little bit like Empire Records a little bit like like like the mall rats and clerks it has this like old school hang out comedy energy and I just freaking loved it. It went straight up to my top 10. I think it's like the number four position on the year. Just an awesome, super fun, relatable movie.
I mean, they just nailed what it was like to be a millennial in 2011 and highly recommend it to everyone. Mile End Kicks is is is what it's called. I liked Mandalorian Grou as well. It's uh my review is up there. I think that they tried to do a serial, like an old school style western serial, and a lot of people didn't necessarily jive with that, but I thought it was cool. Uh, and The Burrows is the new sci-fi show on Netflix, executive produced by the Duffer brothers, though they did not write it. They just executive produced it. And it's pretty much Stranger Things, but with older people set at a retirement community. And the cast is unbelievable. It's got Alfred Molina, Alfrey Woodard, Gina Davis, Bill Pullman, Clark Peters, bunch of other people. It's really freaking good. Check it out if you like sci-fi, like Stranger Things.
>> Cool. Um, I am watching the Taylor Swift docu series finally, and I'm watching it with our daughter, which has been really cute and fun. Um, she knows like some of the songs, but not all of them. So, when it's something that she knows, she gets really excited, but mostly she's into her outfits. She's like, "Oh, she looks so pretty, mommy. Um, I like that dress, mommy." Um, it's very cute. Um, and I we're only halfway through the second episode, and the second episode is focused on the dancers and some of her backup dancers stories. and some of the stories, these kind of like comeback stories that they're sharing or um stories of just like dealing with overall hardship professionally and then being able to make it to this tour are so moving that I find myself crying watching the documentary and and it's like >> documentaries don't usually do that for me. It's usually just this is interesting and I learned something new about this person that I didn't know before. but this is like it's like moving and powerful that you're recognizing the energy that that tour brought not only to fans which we kind of know about but even to the people on stage with her. So that was very that's been really nice to watch. Um and it's also just cool to see how like the tour the mechanics of it all. It's like insane. Um so that's been really great.
Um I'm also >> reading Janette McCert's book um I'm glad my mother died. I think that's what it's called. It was a big bestseller a few years ago when it came out. I was not that interested in it only because I didn't actually know Janette Mccertie for many of her TV work, right? She was a child star and that's what the memoir is about. Um, but somebody had recommended it to me if you are someone who has dealt with an eating disorder in the past and I have and so that was intriguing to me. Um, and now I'm reading the book and it is heartbreaking and [ __ ] up, but also like funny and interesting and it's really like a page turner and I'm so intrigued by her story. So, I'm I'm glad that I ultimately am reading it. So, it's it's really good. Yeah. Cool.
>> Um, and we should also mention that we watch we've watched as many episodes as there are of Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed. Yes. And really liking that show.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Really cool. Really cool tone. That's the new Tatiana Maslani thriller series on Apple TV. It also co-stars Jake Johnson and Marie Bartlett. Yeah. And it it's got a little bit of uh the flight attendant in there sort of, but it's a sort of domestic >> drama and then also murder thriller >> and and and there's a very very intriguing cliffhanger.
>> Yeah. But there's also the the greater context of the show is also about like the internet and how it's used and your ability to find other people on the internet. Um and and >> uh I guess in that way it's actually there's kind of like a part of it that reminds me a little bit of you.
>> Okay.
>> Um so if you liked you, you might like this show too. And there are a lot of people who love Yeah. you. So yeah, it's a good watch.
>> All right, that's it.
See you next week. We're going to talk about the ATX TV TV Festival. Find us uh find the PopCulture Brain podcast on all the podcast places, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts.
And I'm PopCulture Brain on all the platforms.
>> And I am Lighten Up with Lara on Instagram and Lyra.Brin on Tik Tok.
>> And that's it. I love you.
>> I love you.
>> All right. Bye bye.
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