Vegan Uses Extreme Analogy To Prove His Point!

Added: 2026-05-14

[00:00:04]Now you've got a superiority complex as well as a speciesism. It's like what I think.

[00:00:11]>> Have a seat. Have a seat.

[00:00:12]>> Tell the mic. What's your name, buddy?

[00:00:14]>> Keith.

[00:00:15]>> Keith.

[00:00:15]>> Yeah. What's your name?

[00:00:16]>> Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. So, you stopped by the sign. The sign says I visit saw houses. Ask me why. You want to know why I visit sore houses?

[00:00:23]>> Yeah, sure.

[00:00:23]>> Okay. Okay. Well, let me tell you, as a vegan, the reason why I go to a slaughter house, which would be the most painful place for me to go, is to expose what they do to animals. I go there with a camera lens. I film in real time. I live stream. I show the world what the industries don't want the people to see.

[00:00:39]>> Have you ever seen inside of a slaughter house, Steve?

[00:00:42]>> Uh, no.

[00:00:42]>> You haven't? Have you ever seen animals going into a slaughter house or on the way to a slaughter house?

[00:00:47]>> Yeah. Yeah, I think I have seen something like that before. How does it make you feel or how would it make you feel if you were at the slaughter house watching animals going >> like to me I'm not a vegan I eat meat I eat protein and stuff so it's like a process to me you know it's not like I don't really feel like sad or anything it's more like normal to me >> you got no empathy towards the animals >> yeah some sort of empathy bit >> do you have no empathy towards all animals or just certain animals is it just cows pigs chickens sheep >> I feel Like in my opinion like don't get me wrong like I respect like all different thoughts but my empathy goes to like for example wild animals if they farm to like some animals if they farm to be eat or stuff I have less empathy obviously but if like just some I don't know some pet dog someone killed it and eat it I would have like a high empathy on it.

[00:01:38]>> What about if we took them pet dogs that you're talking about and we removed them from being a pet and then we farmed them dogs and sent them dogs off to be slaughtered and killed and eaten. Would your empathy follow? Would you feel empathy for them dogs or is it just the pet dogs?

[00:01:52]>> I mean, still sort of, but it would be like less like >> So, as long as as long as the animal is farmed for that reason, you have no empathy for them.

[00:02:01]>> Not no, but like less like >> less.

[00:02:04]>> If I'm watching it, obviously I'll feel sad, but >> Okay. So, you do you do So, there is empathy.

[00:02:09]>> Like, yeah, a bit empathy.

[00:02:10]>> Yeah. But not high like not highly. I feel sad that >> Do you think that your conditioning is maybe influencing the fact cuz you started off saying no empathy, no empathy. Now there's a little bit of empathy, like a little bit sad. Do you think like we're all the I was the same, right? We're conditioned when we're younger to try and it's called speciesism, right? Dogs, cats, and our pet animals like what you said. We're taught to be empathetic towards these and to morally consider these animals, but we're also conditioned that we drop our empathy when it comes to these animals. What is the moral difference between let's say a chicken and a companion animal, a dog like you said?

[00:02:45]What's the moral difference between the two?

[00:02:47]>> Like I feel like just how people treat it like from the staff, how we educated it like >> but what's the moral like why would it what what what about this one? What about a chicken? Um what what sort of trait does a chicken have that a dog doesn't have or does have that means that we can put a chicken in a gas chamber and eat them, but we can't do it to a dog? What's the moral difference?

[00:03:08]Not the fact that this one's been considered or brought into as a pet or this one hasn't. What's the moral difference between the two?

[00:03:14]>> Well, I guess there's no.

[00:03:16]>> Okay. Right. So, we're coming we're unpacking it now. Right.

[00:03:20]>> This is my objective. My objective, by the way, isn't to point my finger at you and say, "Oh, you should." My objective is to say, "Let's sit down and let's unpack this because we've had years and years and years of indoctrination and conditioning that does exactly what you said. We consider these. We don't consider these. We don't farm these. We do farm these. We empathize with these.

[00:03:37]We don't empathize with these. But when we looked at the moral difference immediately, you didn't even question it. There's no moral difference.

[00:03:43]>> There's no.

[00:03:43]>> So, how are we justifying it or how are you justifying it?

[00:03:47]>> Uh, I think it's like what from my background or from like everyone background, what we get used to and we keep doing it like this.

[00:03:54]>> Same as me. My background was eating animals and eating milk and dairy and but I saw the victim and I saw the injustice. And when it was highlighted to me and I realized I was personally accountable for it, what do you think I could do? Well, if you don't like it, you could eat less >> or go vegan, right? Because if you don't like something, let's say I didn't like racism, you wouldn't say just be less racist, Steve. You'd say stop being racist, right? So, when we've identified there's a victim and we don't like the fact they're a victim, you go vegan and you remove yourself. So, you said that you don't like what's happen. You not happy with it. You said there's no moral difference. There's no justification for it. So, what's stopping you from being vegan?

[00:04:30]>> Uh, I like eating meat. I don't really like eating different kind of veggies.

[00:04:35]What about if we flipped the position and let's put you in the position of the of the chickens.

[00:04:40]>> If you were in their position and the person this side who could judge whether the you get sent to the slaughter house or not says, "I just like it. I like how Keith tasting the sandwich. Send him to a slaughter house." How would you feel as a victim?

[00:04:53]>> Well, helpless.

[00:04:55]>> Helpless bit.

[00:04:56]>> But do you feel like we should then grant you the ethics and the rights to at least your bodily autonomy and your freedom, the right to your own life?

[00:05:04]Should that be the minimal that you have?

[00:05:07]>> Yeah, it should be.

[00:05:08]>> Why do we grant that to the chickens and the pigs and the cows and the fish and the sheep?

[00:05:13]>> Because I guess they have less intelligence.

[00:05:15]>> What about a human? What about a human who has the same intelligence level as a chicken?

[00:05:20]>> Some humans are less intelligent, right?

[00:05:22]Some humans aren't. We're not all the same. So, let's take a human and they say, "This human here has got exactly the same intelligence level as this chicken. Is it now okay to farm this human to put them in a gas chamber, put them in a sandwich and eat them?

[00:05:34]>> Uh, no. No.

[00:05:36]>> Why not?

[00:05:37]>> Well, we don't eat humans, obviously.

[00:05:38]>> Let's say we do.

[00:05:40]>> Let's say we do. What's the There's no moral difference.

[00:05:43]>> But what is it about the human that says we can't do it?

[00:05:45]>> Eat our own same speech. Like a lion would not eat a lion.

[00:05:49]>> But why? Why don't we?

[00:05:51]>> It's like how we educated, how we like what we were doing for like the past 200, 300.

[00:05:57]>> Here's here's an analogy, right? Let's say that I take a group of women >> and I put them on an island >> and I force them to be pregnant >> and I remove their babies >> and I take their breast milk from them and when their breast milk slows down, I send them all to be killed in in a slaughter house. I'm going to keep some of the girls to replace them. If the boys are born, I'm going to send them all to a slaughter house and I'm going to make human pies. I've bred them for that purpose. They're on that island for my choice. I've got the sort of um dominion over them. Is this system ethical and moral? Uh I mean you know the answer and I know the answer. It's not moral and ethic.

[00:06:32]>> But but what is the difference between what's happening here to the humans and what's happening to the cows in the dairy industry? What's the moral difference? We've already said that there's no moral difference between them. So there should be no moral difference for the victim on that exploitation. Right? But we we're taught to that this is bad and we're taught that this is okay. But my job today is to challenge that status quo and get people to think like actually if there is no moral difference then why am I paying for this to happen to these individuals? Would you pay for that system to happen towards the women?

[00:07:02]>> No.

[00:07:03]>> Why? Because it's against your moral charact.

[00:07:06]>> But why are you paying for it to happen to these just because they're a cow?

[00:07:09]Just because they're a pig or a chicken.

[00:07:10]They just look different. This is speciesism. It's a form of racism, right? They're just a different species.

[00:07:16]But because they're a different species, we feel we can do whatever we want to them despite the fact that they have the ability to feel pain, suffer. They're having a subjective experience of their own life. They don't want to die. They have friends, they have families, they have all the things that we have that similar all the reasons why we shouldn't hurt them, they possess. So why is it okay to do this to them?

[00:07:38]>> I guess it's like part of the history what we have been doing. We have been eating. Maybe we need some source of like I don't know like nutrition. Do you think history is a good source to base our morals on?

[00:07:50]>> Do you think that we've done a lot of atrocities historically that nowadays if they were happening we'd say no way?

[00:07:55]What about slavery?

[00:07:57]>> Just because in history there was a lot of slavery, right?

[00:08:00]>> So does that now make slavery ethical and moral now?

[00:08:04]>> Well, we don't really have slavery now, but we still have like cheap labors and stuff. You just make yourself feel like it's like >> What I'm saying is you're saying you're saying historically we've always done Mr. Animals. And I said to you, historically we had slaves, slave owners. Now you're saying we always done it, so it's okay. It's ethical and moral to do it.

[00:08:20]>> But is that cons are you consistent with that? Would you say that it's now ethical and moral to have slaves?

[00:08:25]Because historically we did it.

[00:08:28]>> Uh no.

[00:08:29]>> Right. So now we can't use >> in my opinion like chip labors or like labors from other places. It's basically slavery.

[00:08:36]>> But we can't use history as a justification to continue this atrocity.

[00:08:40]Same as we can't use history. We've always done it to animals. So therefore, this is moral and ethical.

[00:08:45]>> But in my opinion, it's a bit different.

[00:08:47]It's like animals and like other human like >> What's the difference? What's the difference? The difference >> is we we we int more intelligence. We could communicate with a >> not all humans can. Not all humans can.

[00:09:00]We always said if we had a human who wasn't as intelligent and who not all humans can communicate well.

[00:09:05]>> I can communicate with you.

[00:09:06]>> You can, but not all humans can. So, does that mean in your opinion that we can take all humans who can't communicate well and we can exploit them in any which way we see fit?

[00:09:14]>> I mean, no, but it's not like >> but this is that's inconsistent.

[00:09:18]>> Human, >> but that's inconsistent. We we going back to the moral difference. We had the humans and the chickens and we went through what was the moral difference and you said there's no moral difference.

[00:09:27]>> No, it's like killing if you're talking about like killing a life. They're both alive. But >> both are killing a sentient being. They both have the desire to live. But at the moment you got a bit of inconsistency like a bit like we still need some source of meat to eat like >> why >> I don't know for some nutrition or stuff like that.

[00:09:45]>> Do you think we can get the nutrition we need from plant-based sources?

[00:09:50]>> Not all at the moment. I would say >> what what what are we lacking? What can't we get from plants?

[00:09:56]>> I don't like fish oil or stuff.

[00:09:58]>> We can grow um algae. Fish oil. You can get omega 369 from algae. We don't need to kill fish for fish oil.

[00:10:05]>> I don't know. Just like some meat. I I'm not sure because I'm not an expert from that thing.

[00:10:09]>> Absolutely. And and by the way, again, just want to reinforce. I'm not here to judge you. I'm maybe coming across a little bit strong on my questioning, but I'm not judging you in any way. I'm just getting you to think about this.

[00:10:18]>> You don't know what we don't need. You you you don't know that we can't actually survive fully in a plant-based diet. But without >> you, what you're doing is you're continuing to pay for this violence towards animals without even questioning it. I'm bringing to your attention today. I'm bringing this moral dilemma to you today and saying, "Are you morally consistent?" Have you ever thought about it? You're paying into these industries you don't even know about just because you're not sure if I can't live healthy on a whole food plant-based diet.

[00:10:44]>> If I said to you, I'm going to give you some resources. I'm just going to leave you high and dry a bit.

[00:10:48]>> If I said to you that I can prove to you that you can live absolutely healthy on a vegan diet, would you say that being vegan is the moral and ethical thing to do? Yeah.

[00:10:57]>> Is that the best thing to do ethically or morally?

[00:11:02]>> Let me think. Because do plan feel hurt as well? Plan could get hurt.

[00:11:06]>> What do you think?

[00:11:07]>> Like I watch videos. I don't know if they're true or not.

[00:11:09]>> Yeah.

[00:11:10]>> If you plant the plant and you shout at them like behind show at them every day and one is like say praising them, saying how good they are, they grow differently as well.

[00:11:19]>> Yeah.

[00:11:19]>> Do you believe that plants are sentient?

[00:11:21]>> Yeah.

[00:11:22]>> You think plants are sentient?

[00:11:23]>> Yeah.

[00:11:23]>> What do you need to possess to be sentient?

[00:11:26]>> Like it will be affected by your action and stuff like how it grows.

[00:11:30]>> Okay, so to be sentient you need to have a brain and a central nervous system.

[00:11:34]Plants don't have a brain or a central nervous system. Plants are alive. Plants grow but they're not sentient. They don't have a subjective experience of the world. They don't um feel pain. They don't have any emotional suffering or anything like this. Plants are living beings but they're not sentient.

[00:11:49]>> Do you think that do you think that mowing the lawn is the same as seeing 6 months old piglets inside gas chambers?

[00:11:55]Are these two injustices the same to you?

[00:11:58]>> I was worried about >> some sort of I would say because if they are plants they have a life how could we say oh because you don't have a brain so I could just eat you and kill you like >> but they're not sentient.

[00:12:11]>> Plants are still alive like >> all right let's steel man your argument cuz we could argue whether plants are sentient or not but let's steel man your argument. Let's say yes, plants are are sentient, right? We breed 80 billion land animals into existence every single year. I think that's maybe 80 to 90 billion.

[00:12:28]>> Okay. What do they eat?

[00:12:30]>> Plants, >> right? So, if you were vegan, these 80 to 90 billion land animals wouldn't be forced into existence. We then wouldn't need the plants to feed them, to slaughter them, to feed you. So, you could reduce that suffering. If you believe that plants feel pain and are sent to you, you've not only got the 90 billion land animals that are slaughtered every year, you've got all the plant deaths on top of that that they eat every single year to then be killed inside of a slaughter house. To steal, if we steal man's plants with sentient, >> the moral baseline, the the least we could do, the most ethical decision we can make is to be vegan, right?

[00:13:06]>> Not really. But you can't just eat all like all the plants and just leave all the animals there. Like in my opinion, you still like need a balance between them. Like that's how the world works, I think.

[00:13:17]>> But you you understand if plants are sentient. We're killing all the plants.

[00:13:21]We're feeding the plants to the animals.

[00:13:22]We're killing all the animals and then eating the animals. That's causing this suffering and this suffering. So if you want to reduce suffering and be the most ethical or moral person you could be, we wouldn't kill the animals and we wouldn't then need to kill all these plants. We just go straight to the plants and then this would be a significantly less amount of suffering, right?

[00:13:40]>> Like but if you don't kill the animals, there will be more and more. They would go exponentially.

[00:13:45]>> Oh, you think I see your point. Listen, 80 to 90 billion land animals are forced into existence every year. These animals aren't just popping up everywhere. These animals are forcefully bred. The if we didn't do this to them, these numbers wouldn't be anywhere near there. When people go vegan and the demand is affected, the the amount of animals in the world would decline in these farming systems in zoos, in aquariums, and slaughter houses, it would decline. And then we'd be left with a small amount of animals that we then got a world of vegans who are quite happily going to take them animals on, look after them, and give them the life they deserve, right? We're not going to just be overrun with load of animals. But I want to come back to the the ethics cuz we were getting somewhere with the ethics because you morally said there's no difference. And when we gave you the human um island of the milk industry, you said you wouldn't pay into it, but you do for the cows.

[00:14:34]>> When we put humans of a certain intelligence level down to an intelligence of uh any other animal that you farm, you said no. The intelligence then wasn't a factor. So what is it now?

[00:14:46]Is it just your your personal preference? You you you're happy to be inconsistent and >> I feel like it's like we're the same speech. I won't eat my same speech like a lion would would not eat a lion.

[00:14:59]>> So it's speciesism.

[00:15:00]>> Yeah, pretty much.

[00:15:02]>> So I mean, yeah. I mean, by all means, I can give you all these analogies and you can say I'm speciesist. Like I'm not going to eat humans, but I'm going to eat dogs, cats, chickens, cows, and pigs. So you will be speciesist based on the fact that you oppress them because they're not the same species as you. The same as I could say I'm going to be racist towards a person of color because they're not the same color as me.

[00:15:23]>> Okay. Would you say that's okay?

[00:15:25]>> I mean, you can say whatever you want.

[00:15:27]We're in a place that have like a freedom of speech, I guess.

[00:15:30]>> But what if you were the victim? What if you what what if it was you as the victim? Would this change if you were the victim?

[00:15:36]>> Not really. No, like >> you'd be you'd be happy to be put in the system. You'd be happy to be put into a slaughter house. You'd be happy to be exposed.

[00:15:42]>> But like not a slaughter house. Like we are like >> But that's what you're doing to animals.

[00:15:46]That's what if we if you were the victim. If we replaced the animals of you and we made you the victim, would you then just have this position of speciesism is fine, racism is fine, but as long as I'm not the victim because as soon as you're the victim, I'm sure that you wouldn't be happy with it.

[00:16:00]>> Yeah. But I'm saying like in the sloth house, the only reason why we need it is because we don't want to like kill more animals. We just want to kill like we don't want to hurt the nature and stuff.

[00:16:10]That's why they build a whole system for it.

[00:16:12]>> No, no, no, no. The reason why these exist is because of money. It's a business. It's an absolute business.

[00:16:17]They indoctrinate and condition people.

[00:16:19]They tell you that it's humane. They tell you that it's ethical and that it's um uh all like done in a kind way, right? You you're sold a huge lie. And the reason being is because when good people don't challenge that system and they don't critically think outside of this conditioning, they continue to fund the violence towards animals. This is a business. What what do you if you had a business and you wanted to make more money, you would market that business to a way to the consumer that it looks good, right? This is what's happened.

[00:16:44]The meat, dairy, egg industry have marketed these industries to the general public in such a way that the general public never question back what's actually happening. They use things like the RSPCA assured scheme. They use things like red tractor certification.

[00:16:56]They pump out all this British farming, back British farming. So the consumer is fed this absolute humane washing lie, all the smoking mirrors to keep us conditioned. This is a business. This wouldn't happen if people woke up and actually aligned their morals and ethics. If you was consistent with your morals and ethics, because you already said originally not dogs and and animals that are pets, we look after them. But then we said there's no moral difference. So if you then was consistent with your ethics and your morals, it would bleed over into the chickens, the cows, the pigs, the fish, and the sheep, and you'd be vegan. And the moment you have this huge speciesism position where it's okay to do it to these, it's not okay to do it to these because of the indoctrination from the system in the beginning has you brainwashed and has these blinkers on where you're not challenging that status quo. So you know >> I mean I do agree though like what you say about me. I think if they like my same speech I won't like I don't harm them or like >> but that is speciesist. That is openly saying that's that's like me saying white people they're fine but any other race nah I don't care put them in a slaughter house I don't care because I wouldn't ever oppress a white person but any other any other race I'm going to go for it but >> it's not like race it's like we're human like we communicate with we're a species but not all humans can not all humans can communicate not all humans can operate on the same level but we don't take the ones who can't operate on the level like do we just draw this like arbitrary line and then we say anyone under this line it's okay to exploit anyway we so in that case we go back to putting humans in slaughter houses because their intelligence level is low >> then we then we just put all humans we include all humans there >> right why because they're human we're human >> but it's okay to do it to cows so I'm going to put my line under all white people because they're white people but anyone who falls outside of my white person's line >> don't care exploit them do whatever you want to them this is exactly what you're saying and again I'm not judging you I'm just holding up an analogy which is similar to yours and saying is me being consistent. Does that sound nice to you?

[00:18:58]Does that sound >> but are like different there? Like you you just include a specific one. I'm including all humanity.

[00:19:05]>> You're talking about speciesism. I'm talking about racism.

[00:19:09]>> It's exactly the same. There's a victim and there's an oppressor. A speciesist position or a racist position. You're drawing a line and saying anyone under this line, we can do what we want to.

[00:19:19]I'm then drawing the same line and saying, "How does that feel?" And you say, "No, no, no. You can't do that because we're all human."

[00:19:25]>> So you come back to >> this is my opinion. I won't do it. But you can do whatever you want. You can think whatever you want.

[00:19:30]>> I would like you to consider from the animals position.

[00:19:33]>> We're you and me, we're in a luxur luxurious position. We can go about our day. You can never think about animal rights again. And you can go and live your life. You're not the victim. But there are consequences to the actions you take when you go to the zoo, when you go to the supermarket, when you buy cosmetics, any horse racing or dog racing. There's a direct victim to these decisions. And I believe whenever we've identified there's a victim, we should always look at it from their position.

[00:19:57]>> I can't control obviously what you do from here. And I hope that maybe you digest this a little bit later and see that the direct correlation I was drawing between speciesism and racism identifies that if you were consistent, you'd be vegan. To be inconsistent is to be non-vegan.

[00:20:14]>> Uh I guess we are all human. We all have some like some sort of bias. Like in my bias, I think humanity is more important in like what I think.

[00:20:26]>> Don't get me wrong, it can be wrong.

[00:20:28]It's like what I think.

[00:20:29]>> So now though, now you've got a superiority complex as well as a species is so now humans are superior >> and we're this species. So now there's two things. So now I could say white people, we don't oppress white people, but everyone else we can because white people are superior.

[00:20:47]>> You can't think of it like this.

[00:20:48]>> No, this is this is what you're thinking. I'm taking what you're thinking and I'm just changing the victim. I'm changing the scenario. But this is your mindset. This is the way you're thinking. This isn't the way I think. By the way, I believe every sentient being should have the right to their bodily autonomy, their freedom to their own life, and they should have rights protecting them and making sure that they're safe and given everything that they needed. That's my position.

[00:21:09]But your position, as I'm drawing these conclusions along the way, is you're saying that it's okay to press these because we're superior and they look different, but in reality, we already agree there's no moral difference.

[00:21:21]>> But they are still like my people, like humanities, you know, like in my opinion, there is still a difference.

[00:21:27]I'm not saying like I'm 100% right, but it's just what I think is right.

[00:21:31]>> I urge you, Can I give you a card to look at this more?

[00:21:33]>> Yeah, sure.

[00:21:34]>> Take this card, right? Go on to veganlinks.co.uk.

[00:21:38]>> On there, there's a Dominion do documentary called Dominion. I urge you to watch that. All right. Because this may like kick your brain out of there.

[00:21:46]This >> speciesism, superiority, humans are up here. Screw some animals, not all animals. It may just bring things tighter together. this second site here, Chinese22.com. It'll give you some resources as to why I'm doing what I'm doing. If you if you want to align your actions, if you want to be consistent with your ethics and morals, >> they're going to support you to do it.

[00:22:09]But thank you for sitting down and talking with me today. Nice to meet you today. Nice to talk to you, too.

[00:22:13]>> Have a good day.

[00:22:14]>> You, too. Please always keep the victims in your mind. Okay?

[00:22:18]>> You're in a privileged position. Your choices really do affect individuals. I go to slaughter houses every week. I see your victims going in there. You don't see them.

[00:22:28]>> Let's do a tour.

[00:22:29]>> We do live streams every single week.

[00:22:30]>> Really?

[00:22:31]>> So, we show people. We show good people.

[00:22:32]When good people see this injustice, they change because no one feels comfortable sending innocent animals to slaughter houses for optional products.

[00:22:39]It's not it's not something that we can sit like on your shoulders like comfortably. You know what I mean?

[00:22:45]>> All right. Nice to see you, Ke.

[00:22:46]>> Thanks, Keith. Have a good day.

[00:22:53]>> Okay. Well, that went round the houses.

[00:22:56]Um, sometimes you can draw as many analogies to the injustice as you like. Um, and people still just don't click with it.

[00:23:06]You know, people still fall into this default position. They fall into this speciesist position or the superiority complex position. And sometimes, even though I'm trying to put the analogy off across as clear as I can, it's just almost just like muddy water. It's just not clear enough. They're just not understanding it. Hopefully he goes away and thinks about it more. We've given him at least the resources to look further into it. We've given him at least the resource that if he does have that wake up moment that he could do something about it. Um yeah, I hope the conversation stays with him. Um yeah, I don't know.