Trader Makes $1.6M on ONE Stock In 2026 and Reveals His Next Play

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[00:00:00]You've lost all of your parents' money.

[00:00:02]That was basically all their money. So, this is you, 1.6 million, 33% win rate.

[00:00:07]How can you lose so much and make 1.6 million? It doesn't matter how many times you lose. The only thing that matters is how much you make when you win.

[00:00:16]>> So, you you took Rocket Lab from 370 to over 90.

[00:00:20]>> [music] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people could say you got lucky. What people underestimate is what it takes to [music] see it go up 30%, 50%, 100%, 500% and not sell. Many people [music] don't don't know this and don't understand this. Like a high rate from the Federal Reserve automatically means lower [music] price for assets across the board. Diversification is the [music] worst enemy of a good investor. I'm greedy, but when I see something [music] that seems cheap and that I understand well enough, I just go all in. I think you should buy Rocket Lab. This is This industry is going nowhere. My next play for now is This is how you make 1.6 million dollars.

[00:01:07]Welcome to Undiscovered Traders. Today we have Stan 3000 from Bordeaux, France.

[00:01:13]He's turned 14,000 into 1.6 million in verified profits on Kenfo by being obsessed with one stock at a time.

[00:01:23]Uh Stan's 1.6 million is insanely made with a 33% win rate.

[00:01:30]And apparently he never looks at charts.

[00:01:33]Uh today we're going to break down his one stock approach and how he's made 1.6 million from it. But uh first, Stan, welcome and how are you?

[00:01:43]Thank you. Thank you very much Steven for for this invite. I'm doing just fine.

[00:01:48]Happy to be here. Happy to Happy to share the the the knowledge and hopefully bring some value to to your listeners.

[00:01:57]Very beautiful and then I mean just to maybe address the elephant in the room.

[00:02:02]The the hat and the sunglasses. Yeah, so basically I don't want to have any fame in the real world. I used to have a YouTube channel.

[00:02:16]I didn't like being on camera and everything. So I just I want to bring value to people but I just prefer to stay in the shadow.

[00:02:28]And yeah, so Cool outfit.

[00:02:32]It's cool because you're like you're like super transparent with your with your trades. So you're transparent [clears throat] where it matters, right?

[00:02:39]Do you want people there to follow you if they find this episode valuable or Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:45]It would be great actually. Thank you very much. My my X profile is Stan 100X.

[00:02:52]So Stan 100X.

[00:02:55]And I give tidbits. I give kind of tips to to succeed in in in in this journey and I also show my latest investments.

[00:03:06]I speak very freely. I don't want to be a public figure but on on here I speak I speak very freely.

[00:03:13]Okay, so for for starters if anyone wants to follow him in in this incredible story and all incredible calls.

[00:03:18]Just track track we'll put that that link in the description.

[00:03:21]And also any any other links for you Stan we'll we'll drop in that description. So people can find. And I appreciate like that's a crazy amount of money 1.6 million. You've done it in a very very unique way. You've got a lot of value in the in the terms of you've got a background in approaching economics.

[00:03:37]You don't look at the charts.

[00:03:39]You focus all in on one stock. Like that that's some that's some stuff that I mean I think that breaks some rules, right? But the best the best people make money by breaking the rules, but I think um I think it doesn't actually. I think when you listen to the right people um you you'll find that what I do is not exceptional. It's not something that is unusual for um people who genuinely love investing.

[00:04:09]Uh because there are very big difference in my mind between investing and trading {slash} gambling.

[00:04:16]Uh I'm sorry I might offend some people with this statement, but uh in my view um real investing is about long-term. Real wealth creation is about long-term. And when you listen to the right people, which is basically all the famous goats like Warren Buffett, Peter Lynch, Stanley Druckenmiller, they all say the same thing, you know, they all talk about how diversification is the worst enemy of a good investor.

[00:04:46]How um understanding what you own is basically the the key to success. Uh how concentration is you ultimately how you create real uh value and real wealth once again.

[00:05:01]And basically this is what I did. I listened to these guys back in the day, back in when I was studying economics.

[00:05:08]Uh I researched a ton.

[00:05:10]And eventually I came I came yeah I came successful in this line of business.

[00:05:18]I I've heard another guy who's recently made multi-millions and he had a similar approach, but it was more with day trading and and it's it's it's quite obvious when you think about it like look for the best people in the world to study from and just and just and learn everything that they know about it. And and obviously like when it's kind of kind of gets a bit more niche, which is a lot of Ken Fo's audience, which is micro cap, it's look look at the top guys on the leaderboard and see what they're doing. It's it's the same thing, but I mean the the main question everyone asks generally is um how did you start? How much did you start with?

[00:05:48]Because when someone sees 1.6 million they're like how could you start with five and you make more?

[00:05:52]So like >> [laughter] >> It's not you're not so good are you?

[00:05:56]That's it. We're telling you you made one you're not that good at trading.

[00:05:58]Yeah. It's you put in the SPY. So tell us how you started and what you started with and and how and how that worked. So I've I've always thought about businesses.

[00:06:10]I've always liked businesses. I've always studied businesses on my own.

[00:06:13]I've always wanted to start businesses and I never did because I'm somehow very lazy person. So I just do the things that I like and that don't take too much energy, physical energy.

[00:06:24]So basically I've thought about investing for maybe 10 years since I was 18 years old up to 30 to the COVID era.

[00:06:34]And everything tanked at the during the pandemic. So basically I was let's go. We I need to start somewhere.

[00:06:43]So I worked all my life to save 30,000 euros. So I had 30,000 euros. I started investing this money and after a while because everything was pumping to through the roof.

[00:06:54]I decided to put to involve my parents and I asked for my mother's savings. I don't recommend doing this but I asked for my mother's savings and I asked for my father's savings.

[00:07:07]And the grand total was 50K plus my 30K. So I had like 8K to start with.

[00:07:15]And basically yeah, I just pressed open account on a European broker and I started from there 80,000 euros 2020.

[00:07:31]But so you'd been thinking about investing for a while you'd studied economics in in school already by this point. So you kind of you kind of knew what you were doing.

[00:07:41]You you would have understood, I guess, that um tons of money's being pumped into from the government. If the government's getting a shitload of debt, government's getting a shitload of debt pumping tons of money into the economy, tons of people are going to have extra money. There's a bunch of extra cash flow. All of that cash flow has got to go somewhere. It's probably going to go to the market. You're going to get assets rising. It's a great time to invest. Like, that's the the logical of the economic flow that I picked up. The the the most basic It's even more more basic basic than this.

[00:08:11]It's that um I saw like um a fire sale, you know? I was like, "Okay, Google is at uh I think it was 170 post crash post COVID crash. It was at 120 or something like this."

[00:08:27]And I was like, "This pandemic will eventually go away.

[00:08:31]So, now is the good moment to start investing. Now, I have um a cushion, you know? If ever I'm not very good at this, the prices are compressed. So, I will make money doing this. This is why I felt so safe. I was I was convinced that I had the the margin of safety necessary to start with. And uh I think fear is very big thing in the market, and I was scared for a long time. Like, for 10 years, I was scared.

[00:09:00]This is why I didn't start. And this COVID era this COVID crash gave me somehow the the confidence to start at depressed prices.

[00:09:13]I mean, it it makes full sense. We we've had so many things like this. We had it Was it Was it January last year? I can't remember the exact day, but we had on March we had we had the tariff panic.

[00:09:23]And we've just had uh this crazy Iran war.

[00:09:28]And uh I mean, for me, I would see that especially with like Google is not going to anywhere in the next 10 years with the AI boom, especially with Gemini and its connection and how it's it's it's it's it's use up uses ramping up. And it and it's just like um like Nvidia and Google like the more bombs that go off in Iran as sad as it is to say it, but the more bombs that go off and the worse the war gets and the more the stock the more the economy drops or the the markets drop, the better the buy is. The more fear there is, the better the buy is and and people don't still don't get that the more scary it is to buy, probably the better the buy is. Yeah.

[00:10:04]That's a very simple rule, but it's it's so true. It As you said, like the tariff uh last March, April was a perfect example.

[00:10:14]Last November, December we also had like uh some maybe 10%, 15% drop on the the indexes.

[00:10:22]And even 2 months ago in March, the everything was dropping, everyone was was afraid, and look at the market now.

[00:10:30]All-time high. Everything that you you you would have bought at this period, just like not such a long time ago, like 8 weeks ago, it's nothing, would have made you maybe 50%, 60%, 70%, 100% on Of course, it's more on the tech side, on the growth side, but even a Google, Nvidia, or Amazon are up 30%, so buying when fear is much alive in the market is more often than not a very good idea.

[00:11:02]But I mean, let's let's go quickly go back to your story with So, I want to get into your trading strategy if you're investing strategy. I want to get into it. I want to uncover each part of it in in a little bit of detail for value for for the guys watching, so they can replicate this this crazy success of like what, 60 and 80 to 1.6 million? How can How can the guys out there do this?

[00:11:23]Um so let's just go back to your to you borrowed a bunch of money from your parents.

[00:11:29]>> [laughter] >> You're You're convinced that you're you're going to make a bunch of money, so walk me through it.

[00:11:36]So, I I started with my money and after, as I told you, maybe 4 months, 6 months, I they showed they saw that I was performing well because it was the post uh COVID boom, so everything was like just going straight straight up.

[00:11:54]So, they they said, "Yeah, why not? Take the money and work your magic." So, I think it was maybe in June or July 2021 where I reached peak at 160,000 euros. So, I just I doubled the money.

[00:12:12]And I felt like I was the king.

[00:12:14]By November, December 2021, we had uh the first inflation and it was supposed to be transitory.

[00:12:22]Uh that was absolutely not.

[00:12:25]And uh maybe 3 months after that, we had the war, the Ukrainian war.

[00:12:31]So, that had a massive impact on on oil prices, on energy prices across the board.

[00:12:37]And um a few things happened, you know, with my positions. I had like may- I think most of people don't know, but Rocket Lab had warrants. Uh at some point, Rocket Lab is uh the company I invested in.

[00:12:51]And um warrants are very um like kind of a call option uh but uh expires at much uh longer time frame.

[00:13:03]And um they redeemed the warrants. Uh to explain to people rapidly, so you have a strike price, which is $11, which it's the price uh to which you can buy the stock when you have a warrant. So, I have one warrant. Uh if the stock is at $20, I exercise my warrant, I buy the stock at $11, and I can sell it right away at $20.

[00:13:27]But, there's a very uh small thing that I didn't know at the time is that when you buy a SPAC warrant, there's rules that go with it.

[00:13:37]And one of the rules was that if the stock traded higher than a certain price for a certain period of time, the company could redeem the warrant.

[00:13:49]And the the This is what they did.

[00:13:53]So, basically, the stock traded, let's say, at $20 [snorts] for 3 weeks. So, the company had the right to redeem the warrants, whatever the price was. And the price when decided when they decided to do this was maybe $8.

[00:14:11]So, it was under the strike price of $11, which means, basically, these were absolutely worthless.

[00:14:20]And this was my biggest blow, I think, in the stock market. Maybe I can't remember how much I lost, but I think I lost 50k like in a blink of an eye. I think I lost It's 70% of the position was gone in a heartbeat. And this was my biggest blow, and this is the my most vivid memory of like a big fail.

[00:14:43]And um then I did some dumb moves uh trying to buy this and that, and you know, trying to recoup your money. This is one of the worst thing you can do in the market. Revenge investing, revenge trading is the worst thing you can do in the market. And I did exactly this. I was genuinely tilted, but uh I couldn't stop myself. I wanted the the rush again. I wanted the money again, because I went as high as 160.

[00:15:11]I couldn't stand being at 120, 1 100.

[00:15:16]And so, I I kept doing stupid things, stupid things one one after the other.

[00:15:21]And by January 2023, I had 14,000 euros left on the bank account on the broker account.

[00:15:32]So, you've lost all of your parents' money, which I would I would assume is uh is important to them. Like they might be they might they've got the apartment and stuff like that, but the the 50,000 is not just a it's not a drop in the ocean for them unless they're other multi-millionaires.

[00:15:50]No, they're not.

[00:15:51]It was basically all their money. Yeah.

[00:15:54]They were cool about it. They they would ask me like, "How is it going?" Yeah. I wouldn't say I would just smile and we will all laugh it out. So, this like it didn't uh affect me in some way. Like it didn't put any pressure on my shoulders.

[00:16:12]Uh I I And also, I'm a responsible kid.

[00:16:16]I'm a responsible human being.

[00:16:19]I knew that I will get them the money back one way or the other. Maybe not the stock market, but I would work my off, you know, and just provide and deliver and do any kind of job to get their money back and make sure that I don't screw them.

[00:16:36]Can I I'd like to get into what you're doing now and what's working right now?

[00:16:40]But I mean first, I know you studied economics. Is there any value that you can kind of pass on to the people listening that you've picked up from economics?

[00:16:49]Yeah, I think uh I think everyone should have like some basics economics uh knowledge because uh the the the macro, what we call the macro, is uh is the most important thing in the market. How money flows into the market, how what the Federal Reserve does, what how it impacts the market, what their yield is and why is this so important. Most people who invest and trade don't know the simple formula of discounted cash flows and don't know that the the yield used by the Federal Reserve is basically what is used to discount cash flow. And this is on the lower side of the the division. So basically, if you have a big number there, your money is worth much less. The future cash flow is what is is is worth much less. And this is very basic knowledge and I think most of people many people don't don't know this and don't understand this. Like a high rate from the Federal Reserve automatically means lower price for assets across the board, especially risky ones. This is the kind of knowledge that without my economic degree, I wouldn't know.

[00:18:10]And I would encourage everyone who loves investing to study in a in a funny way, you know, don't go into books right away like the most complicated one. Just go on YouTube channel. There are very like brief videos, cool videos who explain this, the monetary system in a very light way.

[00:18:31]And only this can actually like give you some edge, you know, and still I I come back to this because it's it's also something that I I learned from him. But Warren Buffett says this all the time. He's always in many interviews he's talking about how the the the the rate from the Federal Reserve, the interest rate is you know, a form of gravity, you know, like at some point stocks eventually go down if the the the rate is high. So I think this is the the biggest most important thing that people underestimate. Uh this is something that I've noticed is really important. I'm actually reading a book by Ray Dalio called debt cycles right now. I do some like biotech investing things and the most important thing possible is that um inflation is low, the the general interest rate is going 5 4 3 2 1%.

[00:19:33]And well, a lot of people don't realize like when there's a lot of when the interest rates are low, everyone has more money, borrowing is easier, people uh find it more accessible to get more debt. When people have more debt and more money, the first thing they do is try to make more money with it. They're putting it in the market. So, assets go up and like a lot of people I think a lot of people don't quite pick up that I I didn't pick it up till 3 or 4 years ago.

[00:19:56]But then it But then the reverse happens. So, when the interest rates are are too low by the government uh for too long, the opposite happens. They have to pull the pull the rates back up. Money gets pulled out of the economy. The first things to fall is is is assets. So, as an investor, or even a day trader, like looking for hot cycles in markets, Yeah, you do.

[00:20:17]>> You you you have Yeah, exactly. It's imperative to understand like it's it's basic economics, but it's super important. And also like the the What does the Fed do? Like what is its role?

[00:20:29]And uh its role is to maintain inflation at uh 2% and have a very healthy um job market. And this drives all the decisions. And when you have inflation, it's not good. When you have recession, it's not good. When you have stagflation, it's not good. And this is very very like general basic knowledge, but this is actually something you have to understand in order to understand economic cycles. And I'm not telling you that you need to like try to predict them or enter at this point or exit at this point or wait for a crash or No, this is not it.

[00:21:04]The only thing you need is to understand why something is moving. You know, like for example, once again, when I invested in 2021, I didn't understand that everything was moving because the just that the Fed was printing money. I knew it because I studied it, but once it's your money, once you you start investing the money, you have like kind of a your vision is blurred.

[00:21:29]This at least this is what I felt. I couldn't I just I couldn't grab this reality. And when it tanked because of inflation, then I understood. And then I saw the real effects of monetary policy, of inflation, and this is how I learned.

[00:21:45]You see what I mean? Like this is going through this difficult time is what opened my eyes in the end. For a lot of traders and [clears throat] investors, it's also not just like how much money is there in the economy, but where's where's the money going? And right now we're seeing the the memory and the the memory and the the semiconductors and the the GPU.

[00:22:06]It's almost like it's not so much in stuff like Nvidia. It's all it's not in AI as much. It's in the company that helps power the the the factories, all of the hard stuff behind the AI.

[00:22:17]Yeah, you you have also this this this is something I didn't understand at first and took me a while to is um uh narrative. Narrative and hot uh topics.

[00:22:32]Um when I bought when I first bought uh Rocket Lab, once again, which is my all-in stock, um space was not the trend. Space was absolutely not sexy. Space was basically when when you would uh write uh RKLB on X, you would have bots. Like all the pages was floo- were flooded with bots. Like a price alert, price target.

[00:22:59]No one was talking about it. And now I understand that maybe that was not the best time to invest because the focus that the market has on a topic drives you ultimately the price. And I waited from 2021 to 2024 to get my money back. If I did other things in the meantime, if I invested on other things it would have maybe worked even better.

[00:23:30]And by 2024 it was clear that uh as you said like Nvidia, all of these were becoming like a very hot topic, but also space. Space was clearly with SpaceX starting to talk about IPO, uh with reusab- reusability, with the uh the moon, with all of these massive projects, with Golden Dome. You have a a focus on this area and if you hold the right assets at the at the right time everything pumps. Everything. It's not perfect because if you invest in bad things, it will pump, but it will eventually go back down. But in if you invest in great assets, like I again, Rocket Lab is one of the if not the best public space public company available.

[00:24:19]Yeah, look at the stock price. It's it's it's incredible and I think it it will get even even better.

[00:24:28]So let me let me take a quick look at RKLD just to All right, so Rocket I can bring this up in a little bit.

[00:24:36]Yeah, it's three from a three to 117.

[00:24:38]Christ. So >> [laughter] >> tell me um Let me just find the screen. Here we are. So you we were down to 4 in the 16,000 parents understanding. How has that turned into 1.6 million? Can you walk us through kind of the the strategy that you've employed and how >> [clears throat] >> So, I like businesses. This is what I like.

[00:25:04]I understand and love businesses. I understand and love money, profit.

[00:25:10]And when I see a company, I'm whether I'm excited right away or I'm just thrown away and I don't want to hear about it anymore. And this is a mistake.

[00:25:19]You need to have an open mind. This is a mistake I made early on.

[00:25:24]And when I first started, I I saw an opportunity.

[00:25:30]Have you heard about the brand Aston Martin?

[00:25:33]The car brand? Yeah. Aston Martin, uh English English brand.

[00:25:38]Um was just bought by a billionaire.

[00:25:43]His name is La- Lawrence Stroll, okay?

[00:25:47]And by a a member of the Mercedes team, the boss of the Mercedes team, Formula 1 team, Toto Wolff.

[00:25:54]They injected money into Aston Martin.

[00:25:56]So, I was sure that the the this company was amazing.

[00:26:03]How did I discover it? Headlines. Just reading through, you know, just trying to find something. Going out there, like looking on I I can't even tell you, but on news outlets, on YouTube.

[00:26:20]Just I just maybe I was just watching Formula 1 this day and I heard that Lawrence Stroll was buying uh was acquiring Aston Martin and I I told myself that the business is worth 1 billion right now.

[00:26:33]And Ferrari, which is a competitor, is worth 30 billion right now.

[00:26:38]It's a distressed asset. You have two guys, two geniuses in their own field, that come and acquire this company.

[00:26:47]They're going to clean it, clean its debt, make it more efficient, and bring it back to the top. What does this mean in terms of market cap? It means that it's worth it's worth 1 billion right now. In 5 years, it will be worth 10 billion.

[00:27:05]That was my very basic idea. So, I I all I just I went all in on on Aston Martin.

[00:27:13]That was my first investment.

[00:27:16]And if I had kept this investment, I would have 10,000 euros right now.

[00:27:26]But, what did you put in Aston Martin?

[00:27:28]What was your investment? I think I had I was all in. I had 120.

[00:27:33]And it's And you would have had 10,000 now, so it's So, what's what So, you bought the narrative of of some billionaires taking over a company turning it around, but it it's not a success story in the end, is it? No.

[00:27:45]They they failed, haven't they? I they they I I I thought after 3 years or after a few um earning calls, if I don't see anything play out, I'll exit.

[00:28:01]And uh I was not seeing any progress.

[00:28:04]Delays, um costs that kept rising, um the depth level was not coming down.

[00:28:13]Everything that I anticipated was going to happen never never happened.

[00:28:19]So, I just And I found Rocket Lab in in the in in the meantime. Be Rocket Lab didn't IPO um was not uh public before uh March April of 2021.

[00:28:34]So, basically, I had uh yeah.

[00:28:39]I two things happened simultaneously.

[00:28:42]Aston Martin went bad. I saw it coming.

[00:28:45]And Rocket Lab IPO'd. and I just decided to go very deep into Rocket Lab very rapidly.

[00:28:52]Do you know the ticker for Aston Martin kind of find this?

[00:28:55]Is it even on the platform here?

[00:28:58]>> Say Say what? A M >> AML L Uh this is not going to No, it's it's on the British It's on the British one. I think it's AML point something. Yeah. Yeah, AML group.

[00:29:14]So this is Yeah. Aston Do you know? So when did you buy it?

[00:29:20]I I bought it I bought it before this. I bought it in 2020.

[00:29:28]Yep, around here.

[00:29:30]>> got it around Around here and I I wrote I wrote this this wave to the way up and I I sold when it started to dip.

[00:29:40]Like uh Okay.

[00:29:43]But a bit before it But I remember like someday went from 19 they Of course they split reverse split 10 times since then, but I was at 19, 20 and at 17 I was out.

[00:29:58]So you So you made You made some money on Aston Martin based on the kind of the billionaire you saw but tell me about Rocket Lab because you've mentioned Rocket Lab several times on this. In fact, let's just quickly go to your Let's go quickly go to your your Kenfo profile as well just so people can see.

[00:30:15]So this is you, 1.6 million 33% win rate.

[00:30:20]I want to ask how How can you lose so much and make 1.6 million?

[00:30:25]Because again, like they all say it, Buffett, look at this dumb idea. I wanted to recoup my money, so I bought I bought put options cuz I I sold the stock. I sold Rocket Lab a few weeks back. And when it jumped very high this past week, I bought puts uh with the hope that they would print and I would I could buy the stock back.

[00:30:49]This is typically a very very bad idea.

[00:30:52]So, again, listen to Peter Lynch, Druckenmiller, Buffett, they all say it.

[00:30:57]They all say it's it's all very public and out there. They all say it doesn't matter how many how many times you lose.

[00:31:04]The only thing that matters is how much you make when you win.

[00:31:08]And I can't say it better than this. It's not about how many I could have an even worse ratio. I could be at 2% but the only important thing is how much you make once you win.

[00:31:25]And I made a lot, so.

[00:31:27]So, so this is Peter of a I love I love how you've said that but so like your candle chart looks like you've not been trading but and then you've just had some big wins out of nowhere but it's actually not true. When I actually scroll scroll through here even trading since 2024 and you were you were down about it says down 200 is that $223 at this point at least. $223 so just small small trades up 10 grand down 4 grand. So, not much not nothing big going on here minus 20k and then you've had this Yeah, I tried things too like I have some money around that I throw like kind of a way, you know, I try I remember buying like some some puts or dumb stuff on like I think I bought puts on Nvidia when it was trading at $20 or something. So, I I make a like a ton of mistakes.

[00:32:21]Like is this your RCKT trade this 90 to 1.5 million?

[00:32:28]Mhm.

[00:32:30]Right. So, so look, I want to I want to go through sorry, RKLB trade sorry. So, So, to go through RKLB and I want to understand like if it's possible to like take a look on Yahoo Finance maybe.

[00:32:43]Let's have a quick look on on the this chart. And just walk us through the entire trade and and how you had the conviction to hold Where where did you get in first of all?

[00:32:54]So, um I was um talking about Aston Martin, okay?

[00:33:01]While I was all in Aston Martin, there was a stock called Tesla that was going into another dimension.

[00:33:11]Basically, it pumped maybe 10x in 6 months.

[00:33:15]And I was there holding my rocket my Aston Martin and feeling like an idiot because I bought this like old school, not trendy, not cool on the British exchange kind of shitty stock thinking I was a genius.

[00:33:32]Meanwhile, all the cool folks out there were making tons of money with Tesla.

[00:33:39]And I wanted my Tesla.

[00:33:40]I wanted my Tesla real bad.

[00:33:43]And I don't really know how I started looking on YouTube. Maybe I started looking about Tesla.

[00:33:51]And I stumbled on a page and I would encourage everyone to go watch this, but there's a guy called Emmet Peppers.

[00:33:57]And another guy called Dave Lee. And these two had conversations back in the day in 2020 around Tesla Tesla stock, Tesla growth.

[00:34:06]And they all became multi-millionaires going all in early on when the stock IPO'd in 2013, 14.

[00:34:15]And they all made 30 millions, maybe even more.

[00:34:20]And um I would I was just like, "Man, I need I need my Tesla now. I need to find the thing that is very small and I would I is impossible uh for it to succeed and it will succeed.

[00:34:38]And this guy, Emmet Peppers, started his own channel and and and he was chatting with a friend or like his associate, I don't know how you say, like his uh uh he had a company with him on investing friend. Yeah. Anyways.

[00:34:52]And um at some point they dropped the name.

[00:34:55]They dropped Rocket Lab. And I was like, this guy knows. You know, obviously he bought Tesla at uh $2. Now it's worth 500.

[00:35:06]So, if he's talking about Rocket Lab, I'm going to buy Rocket Lab. And I bought instantly Rocket Lab. Instantly.

[00:35:14]I dropped 10K.

[00:35:15]And then I did my research. And again, this is very known, very very public.

[00:35:21]Put some money into into a stock as quick as possible because it will drive your research.

[00:35:27]And this is what I did. And I started to learn about Rocket Lab. And the the most important thing was listening to earning calls, very boring stuff.

[00:35:37]Listening to earning calls, listening to the CEO, listening to the CFO, um looking at the their track record.

[00:35:47]And when I did this, I discovered maybe the best company on the planet at this scale. Like I'm sure now and it's obvious in retrospect.

[00:36:00]But when I heard the CEO, his name is Sir Peter Beck, uh I was like, I I can't not go all in.

[00:36:10]This guy is honest, uh a genius, super ambitious, and level-headed.

[00:36:21]And y- y- y- you this is something also very important, like uh the human side of things. You know, If you see a uh if you hear an if you listen to an earning call and you feel a a bad vibe, you know, some some someone that smells like fishy, you shouldn't invest your money.

[00:36:42]And this guy was like it I can't even tell you how much I I thought highly of this guy and I still think. I was like, he he knows. He he's he's he's amazing. He's an amazing person. He's an an amazing leader. He's an amazing engineer.

[00:36:58]So, yeah, I just I told myself, he who who who who better than him to handle my money?

[00:37:08]A- as as simplistic as it sounds, he handles your money at the end of the day. And I was like, okay, there's no one else on in the market that I know of that then that can handle my money this good. So, I'll I'll give him everything and at some point in the future space will become commercial space will become uh mainstream. I was convinced of this also.

[00:37:31]And so I went all in.

[00:37:34]Yeah, and it's it's kind of that thing of like some people have just got that um that X factor where you just feel you just feel like that's that person is is someone special just by the way they talk, by the way they hold the room, by the way by the evidence of the things that they create. I mean, you've got these people like Elon Musk and and Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos and and I guess this guy for you was Yeah, he's exactly that.

[00:38:02]>> had that that that kind of X factor of like this guy is like a vision He's got this visionary, but he's he's practical.

[00:38:08]He's got the practicality to bring the vision to life as well.

[00:38:11]But it like why is Rocket Lab what what was Rocket Lab at $3 a stock though? Or $4 a share?

[00:38:17]It was a small company, rather small, but with enormous ambitions. And this is also something that becomes instantly important when you buy into a stock. It's learning about the industry.

[00:38:30]Uh seeing the time where it will go in 5 years, 10 years.

[00:38:35]And back in the day it looked pretty small.

[00:38:39]They had like maybe 70 million per year of revenue and a small rocket, but launching a a rocket successfully and and delivering a payload into space is extremely extremely rare. It's super hard.

[00:38:57]And they they they would do it on a regular basis. Now it's even the the frequency is even higher, but they had the the foundation to become something spectacular.

[00:39:11]And um at 350 was basically uh ready to scale into giant type of company.

[00:39:21]And today and also yeah, very important point, but that when they IPO'd when they de-SPAC'd, they announced Neutron, which is their newer rocket, which is much heavier.

[00:39:33]You could see, you know, that the the trajectory of the company was following this this much larger rocket.

[00:39:40]They had big plans. It was super hard to execute them, but every uh quarter I would listen to the earning call and see that this little company that was sending successfully a rocket into space was actually doing what it was saying it was going to do.

[00:40:03]I just told myself every quarter I told myself, "Okay, it's amazing. I don't care what the market thinks.

[00:40:10]I know this is amazing and I I'm pretty sure it will pay out eventually." So what was Rocket Lab trying to do? Was just trying to Is it like commercial space flight or was it What was the the the goal of the company or what is the goal of the company? So, basically it started as a launch provider.

[00:40:27]But, that's not a good business on its own.

[00:40:30]So, they quickly understood this and they started making acquisitions in order to also sell space systems.

[00:40:40]It's a big like I I can't Home Depot for space. You know, it was a small one back in the day, but that was their ambition. It was to become a big Home Depot for space.

[00:40:53]Everything that goes to space has a Rocket Lab logo on it today. No, I'm I'm it's not everything, but it's a crazy number like 40% 30 or 40% of everything that goes to space has a Rocket Lab logo on it, whether it's solar panels, reaction wheels.

[00:41:11]It You see like they they've controlled the whole the whole chain, the supply chain to space. Uh and if you see this and you understand where the the space industry is going, then how can you not love it? Like I guess a product or a a piece of something like I know what you mean by the Home Depot. Any kind of product that is related to space Rocket All that goes to space Rocket Lab managed this process. So, whatever's happened like whatever products are made on the ground is is also is is already like an industry that's completely saturated.

[00:41:45]But, no one's doing this kind of thing for space yet and so Rocket Lab's like the first to do it or is there competitors? Um it's like any industry that was very fragmented. Basically, you had two or three old school big players, Boeing, Arianne, ULA that were very rusty uh commercial companies and they were not entirely commercial. Like actually, they were not commercial. Like Boeing a a but uh the Artemis program, for example, is part subsidized by the the American people, the American public. That was a a very dusty industry, and you had these newcomers, SpaceX, Rocket Lab, Blue Origin, that just basically told everyone, "We're going to replace these old like these boomers." As I told you, it's it comes from my let's say business love my love of businesses, is that I understand the I understood the inefficiencies going into a company like Boeing or like like that kind of projects, you know, money is wasted by the billions with these companies. And you had the new ones, SpaceX, Rocket Lab, Blue Origin, much leaner, much more efficient, and you could see that they were going to capture all of this money that was going to waste and make it a profit for them, you know, because they were private, first first of all.

[00:43:16]Yeah, I know, like I I I've read some like investment investment books, and and a lot of them talk about like I think a lot of them talk about moats and and things like that, and it's it's it's almost like for Rocket Lab, they've they've they've saw an industry that's not quite took off yet.

[00:43:33]There's exponential growth. The existing players aren't really doing it properly.

[00:43:37]And then I suppose you've got SpaceX, which has an IPO that yet. I don't know if Blue Blue Origin's not a No. ticker yet either. So, Rocket Lab's the first ticker on the market Exactly.

[00:43:48]>> brand new industry that's going to take over it.

[00:43:51]And like it's kind of like yeah, it's it's like it's it's hard to see how it can fail with a really charismatic visionary CEO. Is that that's kind of Is that Is that kind of where you're going with it? Exactly.

[00:44:04]Exactly.

[00:44:05]I would doubt myself, of course, when the when the stock would range between four and eight and four and five and four and six. I would I would hate myself, even. I would be like, "Man, you're dumb. This is This This was so dumb from you." But, at the same time, I never sold because I was convinced that what I was seeing would be seen by everyone eventually.

[00:44:28]And thank God that this is what happened.

[00:44:31]But, I mean, yeah, I I I know I can see these fluctuations on the chart like three It must have been torture to go Oh, yeah, it's happening at 3.50 to 8.

[00:44:39]No, no, it's coming back down. Why would you sell it from >> The >> Two years of range. Absolute Yeah, horri- horrible, like it Yeah.

[00:44:50]Especially those uh three those low 3 3.30s before All of a sudden, it goes uh to God knows God knows what. But, I mean, look, like I'm just curious. Like, this company doesn't have endless supplies of money. It must must be having some form of dilution because when I'm looking at the annual, I It's still losing This company's losing money now. Although, it's it's it's it's revenue is It's like Uber, right? Like, Uber lost money for its first 10 years or whatever. But, like, is there no fear of dilution or dilute with shareholders or I think yeah, the dilution is uh is a great thing.

[00:45:23]It's an amazing thing with with capable management.

[00:45:28]Uh let's say they raise 1 billion.

[00:45:31]This billion will turn into 10 billions because they're capable. It's like an investment. Uh very short term, it stinks. It's It's bad. You don't like it. But, over the long run, this is what allows a company to scale, to actually deliver.

[00:45:50]Dilution is a bad thing when you have a a management that dilutes you every 6 months and over promises and under delivers because if effectively, they're taking money away from you.

[00:46:02]The stock price keeps being the same and the market cap goes up. So, basically you're just being wiped out. With a capable management, with someone who knows what he's doing, like the CFO Adam Spice and the CEO Serge Futterer back, I knew that I just could trust them with with the dilution, with the money they were uh taking from the market because that $1 billion for example, that they would raise, they would make it eventually would turn into $10 billion, $15 billion. And this for a company is the only way to scale and to become big. So, a big company is good for investors. You you don't want a company that stays small because they were afraid of dilution.

[00:46:51]Dilution is an incredible thing when used by the proper management. You you basically took Rocket Lab from your and it from the 290s cuz you you would have been in the 408s and then it it went as low as Rocket Lab went as low as I think I'm seeing 320.

[00:47:08]Yeah, around >> at 320s up to 117. Are you still in Rocket Lab?

[00:47:13]No, I'm not, unfortunately.

[00:47:16]Hurt yourself.

[00:47:18]I sold around 90.

[00:47:20]90. So, you you took Rocket Lab from 370 to over 90. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:47:27]Yeah. And and mind you, I had leaps and leap options.

[00:47:32]And this is this is the biggest differentiator is that I I held the stock for 2 years.

[00:47:39]And then as we saw earlier, it was ranging badly.

[00:47:44]And I got so so upset about it at some point, beginning of 2024, I think, that I just I was like, okay.

[00:47:54]Okay, the This is how you want to play it?

[00:47:57]I sold everything and I bought leaps and I was just ready to go bust or hero or zero.

[00:48:07]Thank God, hero.

[00:48:11]Crazy. Well, you bought them in the money or you bought like four $4 leap options or you bought like $50 leap options with a million million contracts?

[00:48:20]>> I I bought 222 leap options for $5 strike price. They were worth $1.47 at the time. Yeah.

[00:48:35]Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:48:38]God help the person who sold MGT.

[00:48:41]>> [laughter] >> I think I think he's doing just fine now. Like since I sold it has risen even more. Like it's up 50% like maybe a little bit less, but >> originally sold it though was Oh, okay.

[00:48:56]Oh, yeah, yeah. This one, rip.

[00:48:58]Yeah, this one is definitely like I'm sorry for him, too. Yeah. I do what you do, but I do it in biotechs.

[00:49:05]Biotechnology. I'm My brother's into My brother's actually a scientist. He's professor in a lab. I I never was a scientist.

[00:49:13]But I was always into I'm I'm quite into like researching biotechs, the diseases that they cure. I'm I'm interested I'm interested in how you cure cancer. I'm not clever enough to do it, but I like to read about it. Do you know Do you know what I mean? That's also very interesting.

[00:49:29]I absolutely don't. Yeah.

[00:49:32]But um And yeah, like there's sometimes Aussie LT was a a biotech for me and it just had some bad news on a phase three and the options were The stock was at 180 and I was buying what like I was buying $2 $2 strike for like 20 cents and this it's went up to five.

[00:49:50]And I've still got some of those options and it's it's not it's not three to three 490 but I was looking at the options thinking how can you sell options on the stock by 20 cents cuz I'm just going to buy tons of contracts and I know and I know that it's got other things in the pipeline that are that are worth tremendous value that sound like they're going to work.

[00:50:13]But that so now you now you know this now you kind of know the formula of buying buying a ton of cheap options and how it it can really work on the on the right company. But even like I bought a bunch of options on Google like I didn't want to buy I didn't have the balance to buy the a ton of options. I bought call spreads like vertical spreads. I bought a ton of vertical spreads saying Google in one in nine months will be this price at the at the peak of the Iran war and I'm like of course Google's going to come back in the next nine months because if you if you look at any of the history or the economics of wars the stock market always generally rises 20 30 20 at least 10 to 20%. With it like after the three months crash of the war and it happened after like all of the Iran wars the Iraq war the the Ukraine Russia war like even I think going back to World War II like the market rose go after the initial three months drop it would always rise so I was like oh of course Google's going to rise with the TI revolution and stuff like that as well.

[00:51:11]I'm like how would I don't I'm like who sells these call spreads the you're you're an insane person to sell us these spreads like why who would I mean it's the most guaranteed money of any guaranteed money. Do you know what I mean? Like who sells these spreads? I just don't get it and obviously I'm about like I'm about to cash out on them in a in a couple of months.

[00:51:28]>> Nice nice nice. Well done.

[00:51:31]But so It's it's also very risky we should also emphasize that you can also get like demolished. Yeah. Even with leaps because you know you you never know how long a certain downturn will will last or you never know what can happen with one single company.

[00:51:56]It's always a risky bet. This is the the best way to go to zero, you know?

[00:52:00]Just time decay will take you to zero. I was lucky and very lucky that the timing was perfect because they went through the roof, but imagine we had yet another war starting in 2024, gas prices going back up, the Fed not hiking rates, stocks staying low another year or 2 years, and I would actually have maybe lost everything. So, it's always be good to be cautious. It's always good to understand the risks that you're taking, but uh if you are comfortable and if you thought this through and if you know what you're talking about and you know what you hold and know the industry, then yeah, well, definitely encourage you to to go for it. Go go for the leaps.

[00:52:46]So, options is for those who don't know, it's all about um you predicting a volatile move to happen just before it happens, and it has to hit a certain range that you're predicting. And if you can manage to get the timing correct, it will pay 10 times the leverage. Um or if you get the timing wrong, you can you can lose everything. The way I do my options is I generally I don't I don't bet too much. I may bet a little bit outside of the money to get better to get cheaper better value, but um but I'll like for example, with options, I'll I'll have like if if everything was to expire worthless each month cuz I've got a bunch of options on a bunch of months, I'll not lose more than $1,500 $2,000.

[00:53:28]So, like the most I'll lose is $2,000 every month if something goes wrong. And I I trade a bunch I trade a bunch of equities as well, so it's like it's it's never going to end as losing the 2,000. That's the type of thing that >> think get getting your losses is actually a very like it's also something very important knowing when to cut your losses is extremely undervalued because I bought a [ __ ] ton of bad businesses too. I bought I bought about Virgin Galactic, about Beyond Meat, about Open OpenDoor. I bought all of these near peak like Beyond Meat I bought it at $115.

[00:54:04]$115. Now it's worth what? 90 cents?

[00:54:08]So, you know, cutting your losses very very rapidly in something you don't believe in is is underrated. And after market as well. But you just just putting on the what I what I realized is that what I once I don't know what you think about this, but I I I did exactly what you did. I I still do exactly what you do. I generally trade things with equities first and when I feel like a move is it should be exploding and it's not Exactly.

[00:54:32]>> I'll I'll I'll put the options on because I'm like this is breaking point.

[00:54:36]So I'll put the options with the equity and I I generally do that with a with a lot of stocks long and short. I'll short a stock cut it short a stock cut it.

[00:54:44]Then I'll short a stock put the puts on as well because I'm like this is so ridiculous that the leverage is going to pay.

[00:54:50]Yeah, the that's a very good thing you're bringing because what happened is exactly this with the Rocket Lab leaps. It's Rocket Lab signed a massive contract worth 500 million of dollars and it was trading at 2 billion and the stock popped for a day or two and then it tanked so bad and and it went to all-time lows after this like monstrous signing, monstrous contract it went to the to its all-time low. It went to the three 320 or 350 you were mentioning before and I was like what in the world is happening here? Like why is it tanking to all-time lows and they just signed the biggest contract of their lives?

[00:55:37]So I just went, "Okay, I sell the the the the stock, and now let's go for the lips."

[00:55:43]Yeah. Well, yeah, when when when the market's at the peak of its delusion.

[00:55:48]And and then to So, just to kind of to wrap up, I guess, um can you come to kind of finish up on kind of some how you can carry these principles across that you've learned for other people to kind of pass on? And then also, if you've got any future predictions, I'm sure the man who's just made 1.6 million, if you've got any predictions on next stock stocks, please share it with the money for the community.

[00:56:10]Love the game, and have a long-term mindset.

[00:56:14]Love companies, study companies, study their industry, find I'm not telling you to go all in one stock. This is obviously risky, but find a basket of companies that you truly understand. Don't make it 30, 40, 50.

[00:56:29]Make it five top.

[00:56:32]Understand everything about them, everything about their industry, and just go for it. This is how you create wealth. This is how you make 1.6 million dollars.

[00:56:45]No I'm no genius. There's no secret.

[00:56:48]It's just this [clears throat] simple simple formula.

[00:56:53]Yeah, cuz I mean, some people there could some people could say you got lucky.

[00:56:57]I would say that you you made you made your own luck.

[00:57:00]Uh I got There's Listen, there's obviously luck involved, obviously. You But what people underestimate is what it takes to see it go up 30%, 50%, 100%, 500%, and not sell. Because I could have sold anywhere between 14,000 euros and 1.4 million euros. I could have sold anywhere.

[00:57:33]And I knew I understood what I held.

[00:57:37]I knew where it could go.

[00:57:39]So, I just didn't move. And this is the non-lucky part is that I didn't I didn't budge.

[00:57:48]And believe me, huh? Last last year when tariff happened, I was still into the leaps. And I went from 450,000 euros to 113,000 euros within 1 month.

[00:58:02]And I didn't budge because I knew that space was big, was becoming bigger. I knew that SpaceX was going to IPO.

[00:58:10]I knew all of these things.

[00:58:12]And I just yeah, held.

[00:58:15]>> Why didn't you sell a couple of them?

[00:58:16]Did you sell a couple of them or did you sell none?

[00:58:18]Cuz you had a lot of futures contracts.

[00:58:19]Sell none.

[00:58:21]Um I I did sell, but Oh, yeah, I did sell earlier when it I was so traumatized so traumatized of the 2-year of ranging that when it went when I went back up to 80,000 euros, which was my initial uh investment, I saw like maybe 30% and I was panicked. I was like, I want to save all of my money. I want to sell everything. I wanted to sell everything because I was like, okay, I'm even let's give the money back to my parents. Let's get my money back.

[00:58:57]And I'll just I'll just forget about this whole thing.

[00:59:02]But then I was I was like, why would you do this? Why would you do this? This When I tell you this is the non-lucky part is that you have to reason yourself. You have to maintain some kind of you know, of structure in there because otherwise you sell, you buy, you do a plenty of wrong things that will use your money. And now I have 1.4 million euros. I could have had 3 million euros if I didn't move, but that's not important. The most important thing is that yeah, just, you know, have a a frame, a mental frame on how to just be serious about this.

[00:59:51]Why 90? Why did you sell at 90?

[00:59:54]Uh because I just thought that that was like it's dumb, but it was 100x from the lows.

[01:00:04]I was my low was 14,000 euros.

[01:00:07]And I was at 1.4 million euros. So, I was like, okay, I just 100x my money.

[01:00:13]I need to protect my capital. Yeah.

[01:00:16]It's fair enough. And and and the other and next industry or sector that you're looking at?

[01:00:22]I think you should buy Rocket Lab, maybe not now because it's reaching like all-time highs all the time, but this is this industry is going nowhere. It will be here for 5 years, 10 years, 100 years. We're going to visit other planets most likely, and you know, maybe SpaceX and Rocket Lab will be gone by then, but for the next 20 years this is the industry that will matter.

[01:00:44]Now we're talking about data centers in space. I think that this time will only expand from here, and there are very, very few players who have the keys to space, and actually there are three.

[01:00:56]Rocket Lab, SpaceX, Blue Origin. SpaceX being of course the best one by far, but still Rocket Lab has the keys.

[01:01:04]Yeah.

[01:01:06]And also now I I have my money on Reddit, so I just throw the name out there, but I have some of my money on Reddit. I'm I'm buying more responsibly. I think I'll end up being all in, too, but I'm being I'm buying by chunks. Uh And I think yeah, I think it's in the value at the moment. I think it can go much higher. I think it can also go much lower if the macro market are not playing along, but uh my next play for now is Reddit.

[01:01:37]Do your DD.

[01:01:38]Understand how it what it does and the industry and everything, but this is a name I like. It's not a 100x, but it's a for for the next 10 years, it's a good 10x, I think.

[01:01:49]But you're not going to You're not going to go all in on I think I am.

[01:01:54]I think I am. I think I can.

[01:01:56]I think yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, dollars.

[01:01:59]Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah.

[01:02:01]Eventually, yeah.

[01:02:02]This is just the I don't know for the best or the worst, this is just how I how my brain like like to do things and whenever I see I'm greedy in Subway and it's bad, but when I see something that seems cheap and that I think I understand well enough, I just I just go all in.

[01:02:23]And we'll we'll we'll just we'll wrap it up here cuz we're coming to time a little bit, but can I just can I just ask Reddit why why what what are you seeing there that's cuz I I totally get space. Like I totally I totally understand it and I'm like I hate myself that I didn't see this.

[01:02:38]Why why Reddit?

[01:02:40]I think it's um it's one of the last genuine human interaction. It's one of the last places where you have genuine human interactions. It's it's the only social network I personally like in the sense that you have people cheering you, you have people explain explaining you things.

[01:03:03]You also have of course like you know, bad apples like everywhere else, but the vast majority of people in here are it [clears throat] feels like they're here to to help each other.

[01:03:15]And this is this is this is very valuable in the the AI era and advertisers will value this and for now it's it's only starting it's monetization journey. It hasn't made a lot of money like the potential is still super high for them to make much more money per users for example in the United States they make $9 per user.

[01:03:41]In Europe or in the rest of the world they make $2 per user. If they bring this number up to the US level it's like 5 billion in revenue.

[01:03:51]You see? So this is one catalyst that go can carry you for 5 years.

[01:03:57]Another catalyst is they're renegotiating as we speak with Gemini and with GPT to to sell the data available on the website. And it used to be a fixed contract 60 million per year and now it's going to be a user per usage, you know, like if Gemini and GPT uses a lot of Reddit content they have they'll have to pay a lot of money.

[01:04:29]So this is another catalyst for example.

[01:04:33]Yeah but I just think the the narrative about I never thought about it like that as well but how do how do you realize that it's it's the last social network with true human interaction because cuz you're right you did right I didn't think about it I mean obviously X is the first one to get toppled over by companies and bought and stuff like that and I see how Reddit's true human interaction but I mean Instagram's true human no? Instagram's It is but it doesn't feel genuine it feels like it's all fake. I mean it's not the criteria because fake or not fake it's the money doesn't care about fake or not fake. It's just that yeah now you have you start to have you don't know if something is AI or not.

[01:05:13]Uh you could say that it's also the case for for Reddit, but when I go there and I ask for my I don't know, my gas stove who just broke, I'm quite confident it's not an AI, but like replying. It's It's someone who wants to help me out. Yeah, if I want to show off my new watch, I don't have any new watches. I haven't splurged on anything, but let's say I'm proud. I just bought a Rolex. I want to share it my with all the Rolex lovers, for example, and you know, uh dumb example, because I'll never buy one most most likely, but uh uh yeah, my new phone, my new car, my whatever. Like this feels genuine. On Instagram, you have more like, "Oh, I'll show you my life. I'll show you how cool I am. And uh buy my product." That's that's that's more Yeah, I think it's the last authentic network, yeah. Completely makes sense.

[01:06:08]That's an interesting one. Can I Can I just Can I get any final thoughts, any final comments before we wrap it up?

[01:06:14]Listen, I'm just super happy to have done this interview. I hope it helps as many people uh as possible. I hope that people understand that a long-term view in long-term view in the market is is the key to success.

[01:06:29]And uh yeah, I hope you guys liked it.

[01:06:32]All right, man. Stan, you've give a tremendous value.

[01:06:35]Um very unique perspective we've never had on here before, so thank you for your time and thank you for your transparency.

[01:06:42]Thank you, Stephen.