A Few Loose Ends and then the Archbishop of Detroit at a New Mosque

[00:00:01][music] [music] [music] >> Well, greetings and welcome to the Dividing Line. It is uh summer in uh Phoenix.

[00:00:35]The monsoon visited for a few days and then uh has left again. That has happened a few times in the past.

[00:00:42]But uh yeah, it's a little warm out there.

[00:00:44]Um A lot of folks just don't understand why we stay here, but uh this is my 52nd summer.

[00:00:53]Yeah, 50 Yeah, 52nd summer. We moved here We arrived July 31st, 1974.

[00:01:03]And Phoenix was a very different place in 1974. Let me tell you that. You hadn't come down in '74.

[00:01:11]Had you?

[00:01:13]Oh, you were born here. Oh.

[00:01:16]Oh, okay.

[00:01:18]See, I thought you were a native Prescott son.

[00:01:23]Well, mostly. Okay.

[00:01:27]Yeah.

[00:01:32]Oh, yes, I understand. Um the rest Everybody else can't hear you. All they're All they're hearing is the same old uh Charlie Brown wah wah wah wah wah wah in the background. So, anyway, uh yeah, different place back then. I've often mentioned that KOOL-TV, cuz you know, back in those days there was channels 3, 5, 10, and 12.

[00:01:56]And then channel 21 and there was a UHF channel that had some interesting program. 15, was it 15? Okay.

[00:02:06]Um Oh, okay. All right. But KOOL-TV, channel 10, their hourly ID, cuz back in the olden days you had to do an hourly ID. I worked at a radio station, so I know this.

[00:02:21]Um and it would always say the same thing.

[00:02:27]Blessed is a nation whose God is the Lord. KOOL-TV, channel 10, Phoenix.

[00:02:32]And uh you know, I'm I imagine there are still a few stations around some place that do things like that, but they're few and far between and ain't ain't ain't going to be channel 10 anymore. Uh but uh yeah, I this uh city has grown massively. So much of what I drove through now did not exist.

[00:02:54]When we moved there, there was one stop sign between I-17 and 99th Avenue in Sun City on Bell Road.

[00:03:02]One stop sign 59th Avenue. Where the Circle K There's still a Circle K there.

[00:03:06]It's about the fourth iteration of Circle K there.

[00:03:09]Um and that's and Bell Road is a mess.

[00:03:12]It's two, three lanes each direction and you you you can't get across there for anything. But uh yeah, that was was long time ago. A long, long, long time ago.

[00:03:23]Anyway, so um real quick follow-up on last program.

[00:03:28]Not going to spend a lot of time on this.

[00:03:30]But a couple of things have happened uh today.

[00:03:33]Uh we were informed uh by Brian Salvage that um they're not going to ins- in- invest any more mental energy into this topic.

[00:03:44]Which means they got absolutely ratioed, slaughtered in their video response.

[00:03:52]The the the documentary facts uh that was just a regular book.

[00:03:59]Didn't Didn't they think that people might track it down? I mean uh I I was even sent a PDF copy of it. It's out there.

[00:04:08]And it ain't no regular book. It Well, it's a regular Nazi book, but it's not a regular book. They described it as, you know, it's just what's wrong with the Zionism.

[00:04:20]No, that's not what it is about. Uh Eric Jon Setty read it. So, it must be he must have read a different book. Same similar cover. Something like that. That that's probably what happened.

[00:04:32]Anyway, and uh there are a number of other people who said some of the same things I did, like, you know, this would be a whole lot easier if you weren't post if you weren't pimping uh the Holdens' white boy summer videos that always have Nazi stuff in them.

[00:04:50]You know, I mean, it's you're you're wanting to say, "Well, that's not us."

[00:04:54]Yeah, we'll post Nazi stuff, but but that's just fun stuff. You know, it it makes it really hard. Really does. You know, and then when you in the video said, you know, all of our you know, our critics say the the usual suspects. And, you know, I said to Eric Jon yesterday, I said, "Man up."

[00:05:17]You know, you you talk about you make He he He posted something that we need to pray for older ministers who are finishing their courses.

[00:05:26]I mean, talk about the arrogance of childhood. Uh that's that's what this one was. Uh but, you know, he never has the guts to just come straight out and give names. Why? Cuz he's accusing us of slander.

[00:05:40]So, if he's going to accuse me of slander by name, then I can go, "All right, document or withdraw."

[00:05:48]But, as long as he keeps it well I've to I don't didn't mean mention any names.

[00:05:52]You know, it just could be somebody else. Why would you think it was you?

[00:05:55]You know, it it's just this childish stuff uh that is just amazing. So I can understand why they don't want to invest more mental energy in having just been ratioed horribly.

[00:06:09]Um but uh yesterday Sal Ve posted this thing.

[00:06:15]And um there's been some good responses to it.

[00:06:20]Um and I don't have the one from our our group.

[00:06:25]Um uh because it was really well done. It was posted on I think Facebook.

[00:06:30]Um which I can't even hardly get into right now except on my phone and I don't read stuff on my phone. So I would really love to lose Facebook if if it weren't for how much Apologia uses Facebook I'd probably close it down. Um but anyway Sal Ve posted this.

[00:06:50]And man, this is one of those situations where I can read it from this distance, but it's really small.

[00:06:55]And so if you put glasses on then you got to get closer to it. It's it's just so much fun when your eyes start playing games with you. Anyways, there are Muslim rape gangs brutalizing our women across our ancestral homelands and they're hunting Nazis.

[00:07:11]Our governments have betrayed us practicing protecting I see it. It's small. [clears throat] The Muslim rapists from their own people and they're hunting Nazis.

[00:07:21]Our people are being robbed and replaced at government gunpoint and they're hunting Nazis. Our sons can't buy homes to raise a family in and they're hunting Nazis.

[00:07:31]We have been told to hate ourselves for our whiteness, our maleness, our Christianity, and for the civilization our fathers built and they're hunting Nazis.

[00:07:41]Our courts are a mockery releasing violent criminals back in the streets for the virtue of their blackness, even as they wage relentless war war lawfare, sorry, against our kinsmen.

[00:07:51]And they're hunting Nazis.

[00:07:54]Our cities are in disarray, our economy is fake, our currency debased, and our soldiers sent to die in foreign lands.

[00:08:00]And they're hunting Nazis.

[00:08:02]Our churches are led by cowards and knaves, heads buried in in in books while their people learn the liberal catechism by heart.

[00:08:10]And there was something more. Oh, there it is. And they're hunting Nazis.

[00:08:14]What if we stopped living within the liberal frame? What if we stopped caring what names they call us? What if we stopped letting them manipulate us with fear and with cancel mobs? What if we were men again? Oh, that was really well written. Really well written. And I I wrote a response to it.

[00:08:30]Um actually 121 people wrote responses to it, actually.

[00:08:37]Um But in my response, what I pointed out was the manipulation that Sal Veis engaging in here.

[00:08:47]Um are there all sorts of true statements here?

[00:08:51]If you've seen any of the UK gang rape report, your stomach is turned.

[00:09:02]Um I haven't seen it yet. And look, the media probably wouldn't cover it even if it was produced. But my goodness, if there haven't been 10 meaningful statements by leading Islamic clerics in reasonable Islam. I'm not talking about Salafi Islam. I'm not talking about Wahhabi Islam. I'm not talking about the kind of Islam that produces Well, the kind of Islam that is fundamentally central in Pakistan.

[00:09:35]Um where most of these people come from.

[00:09:37]Um, the whole thing is just turns your stomach. It's disgusting.

[00:09:46]And I'm more disgusted with the Brits. I mean, I mean the Brits are the biggest wimps on the planet.

[00:09:52]I'm sorry, but you know, when when you're when your police force is arresting like 40 people a day for liking memes.

[00:10:01]And these people are running around raping 250,000 women. Someone very plainly uh, pointed out that in the Rape of Nanking, which I I mentioned this once.

[00:10:12]I read the book.

[00:10:14]If I recall correctly, the female author who wrote that book committed suicide as a result.

[00:10:19]Um, it was a brutal book to read, the Rape of Nanking. What the Japanese occupiers did in Nanking during World War II. Ooh, wow.

[00:10:31]And you know, Japan never received the kind of, um, retribution and justice that, uh, Germany got at least some of uh, in that war.

[00:10:44]And they were guilty of worse war crimes.

[00:10:46]Well, yeah, to to to to the populations of the countries they invaded. You know, the Germans went after the Jews and the Gypsies.

[00:10:57]Um, but the Japanese just hated the Chinese.

[00:11:01]So, it was all racial.

[00:11:03]And what they did in the places they took over, ooh, horrific, absolutely horrific.

[00:11:11]And, um, so, someone pointed out that the number of women raped by the Japanese in the Rape of Nanking is a third, a fourth of what they've documented in the UK by Islamic Pakistani rape gangs.

[00:11:33]That have been brought in by the traitors that run the UK government. They're traitors. They're guilty of treason.

[00:11:41]They're trying to destroy their own nation, just like the Democrats in the United States. They're trying to destroy their own nation. They're They're traitors. They're guilty of treason.

[00:11:48]It's all there is to it. It's obvious.

[00:11:50]When you open the borders, invite armies in, that makes you a traitor.

[00:11:54]There's no other way to define the term.

[00:11:57]So, um you know, the first thing said, everybody agrees.

[00:12:03]And it says, "And they're hunting Nazis."

[00:12:05]First thing I said in response was, "We didn't have to hunt Nazis. You invited them in."

[00:12:09]>> [laughter] >> Hunting normally requires, you know, looking and stealth and investigation and, you know, you know, finding the best shots, you know, find you know, go hunt deer and you try to find the right trails and get your shot set up and then wait and, you know, all that.

[00:12:25]So, we didn't have to any of that.

[00:12:28]I don't have to hunt Nazis. You all keep promoting them.

[00:12:32]So, that's not hunting.

[00:12:35]Um you invited them, they paid you, they made money, uh they distributed their wares, and you all sat there not having any idea what's going on, at least from what you said.

[00:12:49]Um our governments have betrayed us protecting the Muslim rapists from their own people. Yeah.

[00:12:55]Does that have anything to do with the foolishness of retweeting white boy summer stuff with Nazism?

[00:13:05]Um Joel Webber having Nick Fuentes on, uh doing that foolishness, all that kind of stuff. Does that have anything to do with that? No.

[00:13:15]It has nothing to do with it. This is exactly what the left does.

[00:13:20]The left will talk about "There is a huge disparity in income in our country." Well, there always has been. There has been throughout human history.

[00:13:31]But there is a huge disparity in income and it's all due to this and then they don't bother to tell you why the connection why they're even saying the connection exists.

[00:13:41]But what they do is they tap into the emotions and people today are emotional creatures. They're not you know, in a society where you're taught logic in school and you're you're taught that to think logically is to well, sort of think God's thoughts after him. I mean, that's really what thinking logically and rationally is is thinking the way God created us created us to think according to truth according to how his creation exists.

[00:14:11]So, okay.

[00:14:13]Uh we're not taught to do that anymore.

[00:14:16]It's not valued. When us boomers make arguments, the vast majority vast majority of responses I've got from professing Christians on this issue and issues related to this have all been 1,000% emotional.

[00:14:36]Even men.

[00:14:38]And it's all but but they're stealing our homes and they're they're persecuting white people.

[00:14:46]Okay?

[00:14:47]And the logical connection between that and this is what again? And they have no earthly idea.

[00:14:53]It's emotional for them.

[00:14:55]This is how they emotionally feel better about being angry about this stuff.

[00:15:01]But but feeling having feelings is not the same thing as doing something.

[00:15:09]Accomplishing something.

[00:15:12]Um so it's amazing what I'm seeing in the Christian church itself in professing even reformed congregations the amount of pure emotionalism. The funny thing is, it's being practiced by people who are big into the "Oh, that's effeminate. That's effeminate." I mean, I I posted something with just the facts of this issue to somebody, and like two or three guys were "I've never seen such effeminate slop in my life." And I'm like "Show me what's effeminate in it."

[00:15:40]And they can't.

[00:15:42]Because they're responding emotionally, which is a feminine trait.

[00:15:48]It's like they're being effeminate and using the term effeminate.

[00:15:52]Because a woman tends to be significantly more emotionally oriented than a man.

[00:16:00]Um are there exceptions? Yeah, but they prove the rule.

[00:16:05]Um so, it's pretty funny to see guys accusing people of being effeminate when those guys are ruled by their own emotions and cannot make a logical case if their life depended on it.

[00:16:20]So, that's sort of fun.

[00:16:22]Um and so, you know, being robbed government at gunpoint, uh sons can't Our sons can't buy homes to raise a family in, but you're hunting Nazis.

[00:16:32]Our sons can't afford to buy a home and you're giving money to Nazis.

[00:16:37]Well, taking money from Nazis. Sorry.

[00:16:39]Sorry. Well, I mean, if they sold books if they sold enough books to cover their costs, then yeah, you were providing a way for the Nazis to make money.

[00:16:50]Now, you can say "Well, we just didn't know." Well, I'm sorry.

[00:16:54]There is no reason why you didn't know.

[00:16:58]None.

[00:16:59]None whatsoever. The book that you all specifically mentioned, it's right there.

[00:17:04]How Eric Khan could miss it, uh I would not hire him as a book reviewer.

[00:17:08]Okay?

[00:17:09]Because he might have read 20 words and that was all. But, he claimed to have read it.

[00:17:14]And it's right there. I mean white ethno-nationalism, the whole nine yards. It is just uh right there.

[00:17:21]>> Is uh reading comprehension a boomer thing?

[00:17:24]>> Mm.

[00:17:26]You do wonder. Um well, to read a book requires a long attention span, which is more of a boomer thing than uh Gen X or anything else. Um So, we have been told to hate ourselves for our whiteness, our maleness, our Christianity, for the civilization our fathers built. All that is true and it has nothing to do with hunting for Nazis. So, it was a complete manipulation piece um where no attempt was even made and in fact, an attempt to make a connection between these two things and the fact that they had Nazis at their conference.

[00:18:05]Uh if they'd even tried to make that connection, that really sort of would have ruined the piece. The The piece's force is completely based upon the person reading it suspending logic and reason and embracing emotionalism. And I can't believe how many people Oh, it was wonderful. Oh, that was so clear. Oh my goodness.

[00:18:29]I mean, just fawning all over it. Um without ever dealing with what it actually said or any of the issues that it raised.

[00:18:38]It was pretty It was pretty amazing to to see it. Um So, yeah. And And then like I said, uh Ergun did the Jesus juke thing uh where he's saying, "We we need to pray for older ministers who are finishing their courses that they would repent of their slander and things like this." You know, just pretending to be so spiritual.

[00:19:05]Just Oh, I'm just so concerned about this. No, you're not.

[00:19:10]Um if you really were, you'd name names.

[00:19:13]You'd have the guts to come out and do it. And I told him, "Man up." Did he man up? Nope.

[00:19:18]Nope. Don't think he will.

[00:19:20]Prove me wrong, but when you do, once you make the accusation, I will make sure that you have to prove it.

[00:19:29]Not just by your opinions, not just by your feelings, not just by your emotions, not just by this stuff like this, but you have to prove it. So, yeah, good. All right. So, I saw a video Um, oh, oh, oh, oh, one other one other thing. Then, yesterday, yesterday, Steven Wolfe posts on Twitter that at 5:30, I think it was at 5:30 sometime, he was going to um be, I think it was 5:30 Central Daylight Time.

[00:20:06]I think he might have actually gotten the Daylight Time part right. Just, you know, congratulations. Only person who lives outside of Arizona that can do that. Um, that he was going to address his future relationship with New Christendom Press.

[00:20:23]Now, that sounds sort of important.

[00:20:26]I mean, if you're if you've made public comments about this, and I have, that might be something you want to listen to.

[00:20:33]You know, is there is there going to be a division?

[00:20:36]Is there going to be a doubling down?

[00:20:39]Um, maybe a new book project.

[00:20:42]Um, who knows?

[00:20:45]So, I I made note at the time, and then I I tuned in.

[00:20:49]And he starts talking.

[00:20:53]Had some strange, you know, for a while the screen would just sit there, and then finally he started talking, and it worked fairly well after that.

[00:21:02]But, he's going on.

[00:21:04]He goes on for like 20 minutes before he says, "And and I know I'm going to get to the Ogden stuff in just a minute."

[00:21:10]And then he goes on another 20 minutes.

[00:21:12]"I'm going to get to the He went on talking about getting involved in politics and then reading from second and third generation reformers and talking about blood and soil for 80 minutes.

[00:21:25]80 minutes. I had to switch to my phone cuz I had to go do stuff.

[00:21:31]You know, I figured this would be over in 10 minutes.

[00:21:34]Uh 80 minutes blathering on on his favorite stuff and you know, how wise he is and all this stuff.

[00:21:43]And finally after saying he must have said I'm going to get to the Ogden stuff minimally half a dozen times.

[00:21:54]Finally he gets there at the very end, the last minute of the webcast.

[00:22:00]And he says he says something about I I want an American United States. I I don't know if that was meant to You know, he says I'm not into the Nazi stuff. I want an American United States.

[00:22:15]Um it's an American ideal.

[00:22:19]Uh and he says, "And I'll see the uh NCP guys at the next conference."

[00:22:27]Thanks for watching.

[00:22:28]10 seconds.

[00:22:30]10 seconds. I'll see you at the next conference.

[00:22:34]The level of dishonesty of even putting out that uh I'm going to address my relationship in this special live webcast and then waiting 80 minutes to say something that takes 15 seconds to say?

[00:22:51]I mean, talk about disrespecting your audience.

[00:22:55]I I I I just I could not imagine the hubris of doing something like thinking that people really want to sit there listening to you blathering. Hey, if people want to listen to you blathering for 80 minutes, that's great. They're like, I forget there were thousands of people.

[00:23:10]Sure, listen to to them all you want.

[00:23:13]Whatever.

[00:23:15]Whatever floats your boat. Go for it.

[00:23:17]Um but to completely mislead people as to what you're going to be doing, that was just disgusting.

[00:23:27]And I literally had some bozo, and I do mean bozo, find my account on Strava, the exercise thing, uh where you you post your your rides, your runs, your lifts, whatever you're doing.

[00:23:46]I mean, I have just under 10,000 activities in my Strava account.

[00:23:51]Um and all of a sudden this morning I start looking at my email, and here's this guy.

[00:23:57]He's left like four comments on my most recent Strava stuff.

[00:24:02]And one of them was uh White got trolled by Wolf. That was hilarious. And another was sacrilegism.

[00:24:11]Thankfully, you can block morons on Strava, which I did, and so got rid of him.

[00:24:16]But, I mean, that's the this movement is populated by children. It really, really is. Um It it it They may be living in adult bodies, but when it comes to um intellectual development, it's woo, pretty sad. Really, really was sad.

[00:24:33]So anyways, uh thank you, Steven Wolf, for um um doing something I would I would just be so embarrassed to do to people.

[00:24:42]But that's the generational difference, evidently.

[00:24:44]Um you know, my generation, you know, you respect people's time.

[00:24:48]If you going to say you're going to do X, do X. Don't don't go do something else.

[00:24:54]Um Detroit, Michigan.

[00:24:58]Dearborn is a suburb of Detroit and Dearborn, as you may know, is uh has a heavy, heavy uh population of Muslims.

[00:25:12]And it is fascinating to see how various self-professed Christian groups respond when Islam begins to become a major population Which it certainly is in Dearborn and in Detroit in the greater Detroit area.

[00:25:41]So, there is an archbishop who is um let's see, where did I put this thing?

[00:25:50]Uh is it in here? Yes.

[00:25:53]Archbishop Edward Weisenburger who I guess is the archbishop of Detroit for the Roman Catholic Church.

[00:26:04]Um appeared at the opening of a new, very large mosque in the Detroit area and he gave what I have here is 90 seconds. I'm sure he did more than that, but 90 seconds of commentary congratulating them on the opening of the masjid.

[00:26:29]Masjid is what That's the term they use.

[00:26:32]They almost never talk about a mosque.

[00:26:35]Um masjid is the standard terminology we use by Muslims themselves.

[00:26:40]I'll meet you at the masjid.

[00:26:42]Um and by the way, when people comment that um the taking over of city streets the closing of city streets for prayers when they comment that that is not because they don't have enough room that is because they are making a statement that this land belongs to us now that is true that is exactly what that is meant to signal to the Muslim population and to the non-Muslim population.

[00:27:20]In historic Orthodox Muslim theology the world is divided into two parts the Dar al-Islam you hear the term Islam Islam means submission so Dar al-Islam the the world that is submitted to Allah and the Dar al-Harb the world at war with Allah and so Muslims see themselves as staking out Forts in enemy territory and so when they force you to drive 10 miles out of your way just because they want to pray in the middle of the street which of course if the Christian showed up to pray outside of their place they would not appreciate it all but they're making a statement and the statement is we are claiming this place for For Islam and so when you see these big things in New York City in Times Square and stuff like that that you know and people say that's what it is so they're right that is exactly what it is there's there's no question historically that that's the theological significance of what is taking place.

[00:28:44]So let's remember the real problem and I I do need you need to remind me. I need to I suppose I can get it electronically, but I need to get published um copy of the newest edition of the Universal Catholic Catechism.

[00:29:08]Cuz this one's really old now.

[00:29:11]I mean, of course so am I, but um really really old now.

[00:29:16]So, you have to remember um section 841, at least in this edition, of the Catechism of [clears throat] the Catholic Church.

[00:29:29]A sure norm for teaching the faith, John Pope John Paul II, now Saint John Paul II, I believe.

[00:29:37]And the section on the the church and non-Christians, which again um is pretty much the Second Vatican Council's work, which was a radical departure.

[00:29:57]A radical departure from the historic Roman Catholic tradition.

[00:30:05]Certainly a repudiation of Unam Sanctum.

[00:30:07]I mean, I know there's way of popes playing these things. I mean, you can you can twist words every which direction you want.

[00:30:13]But there is absolutely no way that any honest person can read Vatican II, the documents of Vatican II, uh Lumen Gentium and and the others, um and read Unam Sanctum in context. That's That's where they get around you.

[00:30:34]You know, when I read Lumen Gentium, I want to know what did the Pope mean in 1302?

[00:30:42]And they'll tell you you can't know that. Only we can know that. Only we can tell you what the Pope meant 1302.

[00:30:48]And now that we live post Vatican II, he didn't mean what everybody thought he meant up until Vatican II.

[00:30:54]>> [laughter] >> It's just sort of how you make things work.

[00:30:58]Uh you pope-splain stuff.

[00:31:00]So, there's this massive shift, but you know, we deal with Roman Catholicism as it exists now.

[00:31:08]Section 841, the church's relationship with the Muslims, the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims.

[00:31:20]These profess to hold the faith of Abraham and together with us they adore the one merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

[00:31:29]And that's a direct quotation from Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican II.

[00:31:35]Now, I saw a video recently. I actually have it. Now that I think about it, I have it in my bookmarks in X someplace.

[00:31:43]Um of a guy who literally was trying to argue that that section of the catechism, that section of Lumen Gentium, that what you you should read it uh in the first place amongst whom are the Muslim Muslims, these profess to hold the faith.

[00:32:05]So, it it's just external.

[00:32:08]It's just outward.

[00:32:11]How do you get that to work with the rest of the sentence? And together with us they adore the one merciful God.

[00:32:22]So, the official position right now of Roman Catholicism is really clear.

[00:32:34]They literally believe that the leadership literally believes that Muslim worship is an adoration of the one true God.

[00:32:48]There's no way around that.

[00:32:51]And all you got to do is listen to these people speaking. They say that. Now, I know a Catholic apologist can make a counter argument because that's not what Rome has always taught.

[00:33:02]That's the problem.

[00:33:04]That's the problem.

[00:33:06]Uh what Rome has always taught and what's being taught now are not the same thing.

[00:33:09]So, um given that Rome now takes this position, not the position that was held by the Council of Trent or up through the centuries, but this modernist position.

[00:33:30]And there are lots of traditionalist Roman Catholics who would agree with what I'm saying there, by the way.

[00:33:34]Many, many, many.

[00:33:35]Um if you want to see what the effect of that is, then let's listen. Uh this was, I think, within the past week.

[00:33:49]So, this is about up to date.

[00:33:52]Um theology matters.

[00:33:56]Theology matters. And here's um here's what it looks like uh when theology matters.

[00:34:05]Uh uh-oh.

[00:34:07]I am pretty certain that when I was listening to this, uh-huh. Yeah.

[00:34:13]Now, I'm sending it to where it needs to go. Let's um let's see how this works.

[00:34:20]That's big enough, I think.

[00:34:23]>> There is no where that I feel greater honor, fraternity, and kindness. And from the moment I drove onto this beautiful property today, I very fully felt the sense of the divine presence. As our wonderful Imam spoke so beautifully, we are members of the same human family.

[00:34:46]All churches, all mosques, all synagogues, all places where God reaches out and touches with his finger are sacred. This is a truly wonderful and sacred place. A place that will bring all of humanity, I believe, into deeper communion with our one God. My prayers are that you will know great great successes here, great blessings here, and that together we will come to love our one God all the more. I will be brief because I also know we have prayer at 1:30.

[00:35:25]But again, I'm deeply deeply grateful for the welcome. I'm deeply grateful to be in the presence of other religious leaders in our community, and there is no place, I think, that I feel more at home.

[00:35:40]May God bless you. May God bless this place. May God keep you always safe, productive, and filled with joy and blessings. Thank you.

[00:35:50]>> [applause] >> Okay, so that is the Archbishop of Detroit, Archbishop Edward Weisenburger, at the opening of a mosque in the Detroit area.

[00:36:08]And I hope you heard what he said.

[00:36:13]It is unless words don't have meaning, I mean, you you can pope-splain anything. I guess you can archbishop-splain anything, too.

[00:36:23]But sure sounded to me, and I can guarantee you this is what the Muslims heard.

[00:36:29]That God is in that place.

[00:36:35]That God is worshipped in that place.

[00:36:38]Did you catch I was looking through the window and and I Rich sort of shot a glance at me so I'm wondering if he was thinking the same thing but he said I will be brief. Why? Because we have prayer at 1:30. Not you have prayer at 1:30.

[00:36:56]We have prayer at 1:30.

[00:36:59]And that's one of the five daily prayers and I've spoken in mosques. I spoke in a mosque in Dallas what? Four months ago? Yeah, four months ago in February.

[00:37:11]Um and you have to work everything around the prayer times.

[00:37:16]That's that's that's how it works. I mean that's that's Islam. Okay.

[00:37:20]But is this guy ignorant of what those prayers involve?

[00:37:27]It's possible.

[00:37:28]I mean it is possible.

[00:37:31]Um as in a lot of religious groups making people archbishops and things like that doesn't always flow from how much they know but how much they can get done.

[00:37:45]So it is possible he doesn't know.

[00:37:47]>> I think he's ignorant of what his prayer involves.

[00:37:50]>> [laughter] >> Um but in those prayers some of you may remember man it's been a long long time ago now.

[00:38:01]I think it was like 2011 2012 when Isam Amantullah and I recorded a video, right? In that room right over there.

[00:38:12]About Ergun Caner and Arabic.

[00:38:16]And what it did is it documented um numerous instances of Ergun Caner pretending to speak Arabic when what he was doing was just babbling.

[00:38:30]Um and you know, Issam was born in Syria, native Arabic speaker. He was my tutor in Arabic for a few years.

[00:38:40]Um my loss of all that is not due to him. Um but what we would do is I'd ask Issam to say what he said he was saying and then he would say it in Arabic and then I would say, "Do you have any idea what he just said?" No, that's not Arabic.

[00:38:57]Um but one of the things that Issam mentioned was that when you live in a Muslim country you hear the calls to prayer so often that you memorize them.

[00:39:12]And part of the call to prayer is Surat al-Fatiha.

[00:39:17]Al-Fatiha, the opening.

[00:39:20]And it's the seven ayats seven verse opening chapter of the Quran. So, the first chapter is Surat al-Fatiha and then Surat al-Baqarah, the cow, big, huge, long, it's a book unto itself.

[00:39:35]And then they get shorter and shorter and shorter after that. So, the one exception is Surat al-Fatiha at the beginning is only seven verses and then you've got hundreds of verses and they get shorter after that.

[00:39:45]So, [snorts] uh Issam quoted Surat al-Fatiha by memory. It's not that he ever sat down and said, "I need to memorize this."

[00:39:58]It's just that you grow up in Syria, you'll hear it so often that it just you know, how many how many advertising jingles get stuck in your brain because you've heard them so many times.

[00:40:13]Oh, I wish I was an Oscar Mayer wiener.

[00:40:16]It's was just [laughter] going That is what I truly like to be.

[00:40:22]Sing along now.

[00:40:24]>> [laughter] >> You just hear things.

[00:40:28]Further Oh, believe me. I The older I get, the more of those I think they call them earworms I get. You know, it just And you The thing is, you didn't hear it.

[00:40:39]Nothing brought it up. It's just the that poor dying brain cell that recorded that thing is like, "I'm going to give it one last shot before I leave this world." And it kicks it out there, and then you'll never remember it again. So, >> [laughter] >> Anyway, he had memorized it without trying to memorize it.

[00:41:01]And in Surat al-Fatiha, the the very end And if you ever listen to it, if you ever hear it, I actually could play it for you. Uh I have I have it in my Islam presentation, one of my Islam presentations.

[00:41:15]The very last line finishes wal a dhal lim. Now, they they extend that. It's part of the tajwid. It's part of the way you say it.

[00:41:25]Uh dhal lim is those led astray.

[00:41:28]d h a a, I think. Anyway, um And if you know what the verse is actually saying, it says, you know, "Lead us along the true path, not the path of those who earn your wrath or those who are led astray, dhal lim."

[00:41:49]And in the Muslim hadith, the actions, words, sayings of Muhammad and his companions collected 250 300 years after his death, in the hadith, Muhammad explained that those who earn Allah's wrath are the Jews.

[00:42:10]And those who have been led astray are the Christians.

[00:42:14]So Surah Al-Fatiha is a part of those prayers.

[00:42:19]So here you have the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Detroit talking about our prayers.

[00:42:29]And any Muslim who has studied now there there would be a lot of Muslims who would not be aware of the Hadith interpretation of Surah Al-Fatiha.

[00:42:47]I can't imagine there would be a Muslim that doesn't know that they're actually quoting Surah Al-Fatiha but it you know I suppose it's possible.

[00:42:55]Um but those who know know that they are praying multiple times a day not to be a Jew or a Christian.

[00:43:09]Because the Christians are led astray specifically on who Jesus is.

[00:43:17]Our belief in Jesus as the divine son of God is committing excess going beyond the truth. That's how the Quran describes it.

[00:43:31]That's how Muslims understand it.

[00:43:35]So when the Archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church talks about our Imam our prayers our God the only logical way to interpret that is this man really doesn't believe the deity of Christ is all that important.

[00:43:54]And probably doesn't really even believe it himself.

[00:43:57]I mean you could not fault a Muslim for coming to that conclusion because otherwise the guy is a glowing hypocrite.

[00:44:04]Or he's glowingly ignorant.

[00:44:07]or both.

[00:44:10]But this is modern Roman Catholicism.

[00:44:14]This is the ecumenical spirit.

[00:44:17]Um and these are the guys that are going to be making the decisions about what kind of ecumenical get-together can be arranged with Eastern Orthodoxy between 2033 between now and 2033.

[00:44:41]Um I mean, these guys have power.

[00:44:44]They [clears throat] are They're up there. This isn't just a priest. This is an archbishop for crying out loud.

[00:44:51]So, you can see just how deeply this ecumenical spirit and this Vatican II-ism impacts fundamental theological statements.

[00:45:10]I mean, Roman Catholic apologists will still defend the Trinity.

[00:45:15]But then they have to explain away how one of their archbishops can stand there in a Muslim mosque where Surah 112 is also going to be quoted.

[00:45:32]And Surah 112 Surah Surah Al-Ikhlas the purity, the sincerity.

[00:45:41]Um is as close as you're going to It's It's only four verses long.

[00:45:47]Um and it's as close you're going to get to a creedal statement in the Quran.

[00:45:55]It asserts Allah's uniqueness, his complete otherness.

[00:46:01]But then in the third verse, it says "Lam yalid wa lam yulad."

[00:46:07]He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.

[00:46:11]And yalad, remember Arabic is a Semitic language, and hence shares many roots and many similarities with Hebrew.

[00:46:23]And yalad is a term you learn fairly early on in your studies of Hebrew.

[00:46:32]It means to give birth or the substantive forms, a child. So, in Isaiah chapter 9, a yalad will be yaladed to us. A child will be born to us.

[00:46:48]It's the same root.

[00:46:50]And so, the Quran in Surah 112, and I need to look this back up again.

[00:46:57]Um I found a file recently that had this in it, and I just neglected to spend the time on it.

[00:47:07]But there was You know what?

[00:47:12]I just realized I could throw this at Clouder Grok and they'd tell me in 3 seconds. I don't have to I don't have to sift through 25 years worth of text files on my 8 TB hard drive anymore.

[00:47:24]I would imagine that um I'm going to find out. I'm going to find out. Um Let me see here. Let's do a live live thing on on The Dividing Line today.

[00:47:39]Uh Muhammad is to have said that quoting Surah 112, Al Ikhlas, spelled correctly, was worth quoting was it 1/3 or 1/4 of the entire Quran.

[00:48:07]It was one of the two and I just can't remember which one it was.

[00:48:10]Let's Let's see what happens.

[00:48:14]Ha! Boom, 3 seconds.

[00:48:17]3 seconds. Answer. It is 1/3 of the Quran. This is based on multiple authentic Hadith, Sahih Hadith.

[00:48:24]Primarily from Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, narrated by companions like Abu Sa'id al-Khudri and Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with them. Wow, Grok actually put may Allah be pleased with them after talking about these narrators.

[00:48:41]Maybe Grok assumes that if I'm asking this question, I must be a Muslim. Uh Grok doesn't know who I am. I turned all that stuff off.

[00:48:49]Um Yeah, so Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported a man was heard reciting Surah al-Ikhlas repeatedly. The prophet said, "By him in whose hand my soul is, it is equivalent to 1/3 of the Quran."

[00:49:04]Okay.

[00:49:05]So these are considered to be Sahih.

[00:49:10]Sahih means sound. Not going to go through all this. We've we've done You can literally look it up. Look up Hadith sciences on our website and we've actually gone through some of this stuff.

[00:49:24]I wonder why this thing keeps turning off. There it is.

[00:49:26]Um Maybe it's not plugged in right. Anyway, um So according to the Hadith sources Muhammad said that quoting Surah al-Ikhlas is equivalent to quoting 1/3 of the Quran.

[00:49:47]Because quoting the Quran gives you points.

[00:49:53]Don't know. Don't ask. to put it.

[00:49:56]Points with Allah? I mean, it's same thing like when you when you say prayers on Laylat al-Qadr, the night of power during the month of Ramadan, which is either 21st, 23rd, 25th, or 27th night.

[00:50:07]Um your your prayers have significantly more weight on Laylat al-Qadr than any other night.

[00:50:15]And I forget what the percentage there is, too, but it's a lot.

[00:50:18]Uh three times, four times, something like that.

[00:50:20]I could ask Grok. It probably would know.

[00:50:22]Um although I I didn't I happen to have Grok up. Uh I would actually rather ask Claude, but anyway.

[00:50:31]Um Or Lumo. Lumo from protons really interesting, too.

[00:50:36]But um so this third ayah in Surah 112, He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.

[00:50:47]I I took one of my classes from Golden Gate back when I taught for Golden Gate before Patterson had me fired.

[00:50:57]Um I took one of my classes to the mosque at ASU.

[00:51:03]And when the Imam talked with us afterwards, after we observed the prayers, um did not participate in the prayers, obviously, but observed them.

[00:51:14]Um he took time to answer our questions, and so I asked him, in Surah 112, in the third ayat, um when it says Lam yalid wa lam yulad, He begetteth not, nor is he he he begotten.

[00:51:32]Is that specifically in reference to Christianity? And he said, "Of course.

[00:51:37]Of course. Yes, that is a denial that God begets or that he is begotten.

[00:51:43]So, the the father can't beget the son. The son cannot be begotten by the father.

[00:51:49]So, he definitely affirmed that that was the case.

[00:51:53]Now, that doesn't mean anything because he's not the final word.

[00:51:56]But, it does mean that you know, I would assume an Imam at a university mosque is probably engaged in fairly high-level dialogues with people and therefore would know something about those things.

[00:52:09]Anyway, so this is the position of the Quran that we engage in excess, we go beyond what has been revealed.

[00:52:22]Um the the the Quran even uses the very term uh Isa bin Maryam, Jesus was merely a rasul, one sent by God, merely.

[00:52:36]He was not God himself. That's why it argues that Mary would eat food.

[00:52:41]Because it's plain to me anyways, and I know Muslims go, "No, no, no, no, no."

[00:52:46]But, it's really plain to me.

[00:52:48]The author of the Quran does in Sura 5:116 reveal that he believed the Trinity to be Allah, Mary, and their child Jesus. I mean, that's that you had all sorts of married consort gods. In fact, that term consort is used in the Quran.

[00:53:07]Um in the Kaaba, even according to Islamic historiography.

[00:53:14]So, it fits absolutely perfectly.

[00:53:17]Uh the only reason that that has become an unpopular interpretation is once Islam had to start dealing with Christianity directly, you know, the borders have sort of become established and now you've got to sort of interact with this stuff.

[00:53:32]Um then it became obvious the author of the Quran didn't understand what he was talking about.

[00:53:39]And that's true.

[00:53:40]He didn't, which indicates that the Quran's not the divine text it claims to be.

[00:53:46]So, anyways, this is the essence of Islam. This is what is going to be taught in this place where this man is standing and saying this is a place of worship of God. This is something that that Roman Catholicism has been dragged into modernity by its own false epistemological system.

[00:54:08]They've rejected Sola Scriptura. They've rejected the guardrails that God has given to the church. Rejected it early on.

[00:54:16]And now once that hierarchical system has been corrupted by liberalism, by leftism, um how do you recover from it?

[00:54:33]You've made it your ultimate authority.

[00:54:37]So, the individual Roman Catholic may read history and be absolutely convinced by the verdict of history that Roman Catholicism used to believe that you had to be subject to the Roman Bishop, the Pope in Rome, for salvation.

[00:54:56]But now the Muslims are included in that in some mysterious fashion that they don't ever want to try to define.

[00:55:05]And I'm sure we could find a hundred different opinions amongst the leading voices of the Magisterium as to what that section even means when it says they adore the one true God. How do you adore the one true God when you say Jesus is not even the highest level of heaven.

[00:55:29]He's a mere Rasul.

[00:55:31]He's not the son of God. He's not eternal.

[00:55:36]How do you say we're adoring the one true God?

[00:55:39]And look, I've I've listened to the responses and they're all over the place.

[00:55:45]This is This is why when Roman Catholics say, "We have someone that can answer these questions for you." No, you don't.

[00:55:54]No, you don't.

[00:55:57]You're deceiving yourself.

[00:56:01]You can't answer that question, not with authority.

[00:56:06]And if the Pope today answers it in one way, how do you know 40 years ago for 40 years ago and 40 years from now, Pope wouldn't have answered it differently and will answer it differently?

[00:56:16]You don't.

[00:56:19]That's the whole rot of papal infallibility. You can never know whether the Pope is speaking infallibly until he's been dead for a good long while.

[00:56:28]And probably until you've been dead for a good long while, which means you'll never know.

[00:56:33]That's all there is to it. History is filled with this stuff.

[00:56:38]So, it's just amazing to listen to this and when you know Islam, when you know what Muslims believe, um and you know the Quran and you know the Hadith, and then you listen to these Roman Catholic prelates speaking to Muslims, these guys that These Muslims have no fear of Rome.

[00:57:08]Rome has already been captured.

[00:57:11]It's It's already submitted.

[00:57:14]I mean, if if if this official representative of the Roman Catholic Church is saying, "You're worshiping God here. God's going to touch people here.

[00:57:23]I wish you success here." And you all know that in your prayers you're saying, "Don't let us be Christians."

[00:57:30]Then these guys have lost.

[00:57:34]They're done.

[00:57:36]It's over with.

[00:57:38]Do you know see how that works?

[00:57:42]Um it it's it's amazing to watch this. It truly is.

[00:57:49]And Rome Rome has written its own death warrant.

[00:57:55]Any denomination that embraces progressivism, liberalism fundamental I I mean, when Rome does it it becomes this weird Pope-splaining mishmash that results in people like Tucho Fernandez who's still the head of the Congregation of the Faith.

[00:58:20]Um whose theology is just whacked. Is the only way to put it.

[00:58:28]That's all you've got.

[00:58:30]He's your highest authority outside of the Pope.

[00:58:33]That's what you're stuck with.

[00:58:35]Um must be rough, but there you there you are.

[00:58:40]So, Roman Catholic apologists, when these guys come out and start speaking are normally going like, "Oh, what am I going to have to do now?" They know.

[00:58:49]It must be weird to be a Roman Catholic apologist to realize that if you're defending a conservative historical Roman Catholic position every day, you're going to have to be coming up with a new explanation for why your current leadership, not just the Pope, but archbishops, cardinals are saying all sorts of stuff that 20 years ago you would have identified as rank heresy.

[00:59:15]What happens when you get rid of Sola Scriptura? That's what happens there.

[00:59:19]All right, there you go.

[00:59:22]Um interesting stuff, interesting stuff.

[00:59:26]So, um I think next week's pretty normal.

[00:59:29]Should be pretty normal.

[00:59:31]My wife's out of town for a while, so I may have to Yeah, Rich says he's going to have the other studio ready to go, so we probably should do the Pseudo-Dionysius stuff.

[00:59:42]Uh Rich says that the new uh the new screen you know, what what was it called when we first got it?

[00:59:50]What what what what what was the name?

[00:59:52]>> Well, it used to be called the Flip.

[00:59:53]>> Yeah, the Flip. Yeah.

[00:59:54]>> And this version is now called the interactive display.

[01:00:01]>> [laughter] >> What, did somebody Did some Did the Germans take over or something?

[01:00:07][laughter] I mean, um interactive display. That's >> the interactive display.

[01:00:13]>> Mhm, yeah. Well, according to you then, uh the new interactive display is more interactive than the Flip was.

[01:00:22]>> Oh, yeah. No question about it. No question about it. You can actually operate your Mac. You saw me test it today.

[01:00:28]>> Yeah, yeah.

[01:00:29]>> You can actually operate your Mac on the screen.

[01:00:32]Which just blows my mind.

[01:00:33]>> Which includes manipulating windows and scrolling and stuff like that.

[01:00:38]>> Yep.

[01:00:38]>> And then stop then click on something else and now I can draw on it.

[01:00:41]>> Yep.

[01:00:43]And then you can take that down and go to something else and bring it up without ever touching your laptop.

[01:00:47]>> Yeah, I'm going to have to spend some time on that.

[01:00:50]Um that that's yeah, that's definitely worthwhile doing.

[01:00:54]Um so yeah, we're going to try to find a time next week to get into the big studio and utilize the interactive whatever it was. Um a display, display.

[01:01:06]I I still like Flip. Um I remember I was I'm so old, I remember watching Flipper.

[01:01:12]Um and we just lost 90% 90% of the audience just went, "Who?"

[01:01:20]Flipper, it was a dolphin.

[01:01:22]Um, Lassie? Anyone remember Lassie?

[01:01:25]Okay, come on.

[01:01:27]Flipper, Flipper, that's right. Uh-huh.

[01:01:29]>> [laughter] >> Yep, the music is already running through our minds. Uh, that's the age is a wonderful thing.

[01:01:37]All right. So, uh we'll try to get over there and do that. And like I said, I I've got a presentation pseudo Dionysius that I want to help you to understand and you you may be sitting there going, "I don't want to understand." Well, I understand I understand that you don't want to understand.

[01:01:51]>> [laughter] >> But, for those who want to be able to keep up with what's going on in Eastern Orthodoxy and with these debates coming up, um it it'll be it'll be useful for you. I know that's not a huge crew.

[01:02:07]And I'll I'll I'll tell you I'll tell you the same thing that I said when we were doing all the Islam stuff.

[01:02:12]You might right now go, "Ah, it's just not what I see on my horizon." But, you know, life changes things.

[01:02:20]And I've had lots of people come up to me over the years, "You know, yeah, I stuck with you through the Islam stuff and I just never thought I'd use it and lo and behold, now I'm using it." Um, so maybe that'll happen with the Eastern Orthodoxy stuff and the church history stuff and all that kind of stuff. All right, so with that, thanks for watching the program today. We will, Lord willing, see you next week. God bless.

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