【阿維勒布訪談】如果下一個星際訪客帶來證據：人類可能最重大的發現

追加: 2026-05-15

[00:00:00]Well, let's just get right to it. What were you most intrigued by as these files become available?

[00:00:09]Well, as we go back in time, we could see documents dating all the way to 1947 where high-level officials are communicating about unusual objects in the sky. You know, all in all, there is no clear evidence for an object that is uh produced by some alien civilization.

[00:00:32]Some of the data is redacted. We have images, we have videos, but it serves a very important purpose, a psychological purpose of bringing the conversation to the public domain both with the general public but also within science because there are two possible interpretation. I mean, it's clearly clearly the the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies are unable to identify the nature of some objects. And one way to explain it is if they are human-made, they are produced by adversarial nations and they show vulnerability of our defense system. So, this is a serious matter. We all know about the Chinese spy balloon as an example.

[00:01:14]But then, the other possibility is that maybe it's a mixed bag and one in a million objects is indeed from beyond this Earth and represents some advanced technologies that we do not possess. In which case, it will be the biggest discovery ever made by humanity. So, it's a win-win situation to attend to this data, try to figure out what it means. Unfortunately, the first release does not include enough information on some of the images, some of the videos, and many of them could be explained in simple ways. There are eyewitness testimonies like we just saw an image of a an ellipsoidal object that was reported to the FBI, but we don't have data from instruments about the this object. We don't have images.

[00:02:02]Um I went over the data with uh my research team, and we just couldn't infer the distances to objects, the velocity acceleration that they're exhibiting. Uh this is a goal of the Galileo project that I'm leading. We have uh three observatories, and we're looking at each object from different directions, so we can infer the altitude, velocity, and acceleration to tell whether it lies outside the performance envelope of human-made technologies. That's essential. And uh but this is just the first step. We will have additional releases uh in the coming weeks and months. And presumably, the more sensitive data, the the higher quality data, takes more time to declassify. So, we would see it coming out. With respect to the Apollo mission images, I should note that um you know, you could get the flares uh on the moon from the impact of rocks. And uh the Artemis II astronauts noticed six flares when they went over the dark side of the moon. They had the an excellent view, much better than the Apollo missions, which uh you know, were on the surface of the moon. And they didn't notice they took thousands of images just last month, and they didn't notice any lights orbiting uh the moon in an unusual way. So, I would argue that based on the latest Artemis II data, there is nothing peculiar on the moon. It's probably what we're seeing in the these Apollo images are either uh impacts of asteroids on the surface or some optical uh artifacts from the camera that was taking these images. Mhm. So, Avi, this was this was the first release. And like you said, you combed through the data.

[00:03:45]And some people were expecting to see something about little green men. They didn't get that exactly, but what did you get from combing through the data about how much uh people's curiosity should be satisfied when they think about other life forms existing out there?

[00:04:01]Right. So, what we find are documents, also videos and images from military personnel, from the intelligence agencies that discuss objects they cannot understand. And this these are serious people, so we should not dismiss those reports.

[00:04:20]And especially because some of them were collected by instruments. What we should do is try to figure out what these objects are. And of course, data from past reports is limited. I assume that the government has much better data. For example, right now the US government employs an array of satellites that were very helpful in noticing the flashes of infrared light coming from ballistic missile launches in Iran, for example. So, we can get images of the earth with spatial resolution of a few inches. And they can easily monitor objects that look unusual and and measure their velocity or acceleration relative to features on the ground. But that's the most sensitive data that will not be easily released because the sensors being used right now are classified.

[00:05:16]Nevertheless, you know, I really hope to see a higher resolution image or a high quality video that can demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that we're dealing with something that is not human-made. I haven't seen that as of yet.

[00:05:33]Of course, there is also the issue of whether government has access to materials from crash sites. And if so, such materials can be analyzed. For example, in the laboratory that that operate within the Galileo project. We We analyzed materials from uh an expedition to the Pacific Ocean.

[00:05:52]We were trying to retrieve materials from an interstellar meteor. That's an object that collided with Earth back in 2014 and exploded over the Pacific Ocean. We went there and collected materials and found a clear evidence for extrasolar origin.

[00:06:08]We can do the same thing with any materials that the US government collected. And you know, I don't expect members of the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies to become scientists. You know, their day job is national security. And so, if they see unusual things they cannot figure out, they put it aside because they don't want to be scrutinized that they're not doing their job. Also, they don't want adversarial nations to know about the vulnerability of our defense system. So, they would classify that data. However, I do think that scientists should look into that data and help the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies figure it out because we want to know which which objects are in our sky. You know, it's really important for national security and also for science. And that's what I'm trying to do in the Galileo project.

[00:06:58]I'm happy to help members of the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies in working through additional data as it comes along in the future. I should mention also that there are 46 videos that were requested by Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna from the Pentagon and hopefully they will be released in the next batch that will come out within the next month. Congresswoman Luna visited my office at Harvard University a few weeks ago and I had an extended discussion with her about the Galileo project and other matters related to unidentified objects.

[00:07:40]And I so much appreciate that approach and her approach because I want, you know, as much of uh the information that the government has declassified as possible and the the secretive way the government has proceeded is not uh encouraging. But as as a more uh skeptical uh person of some of these uh claims I confront, I often end up in this frustrating position where someone who has, you know, very unimpeachable credibility as a as a pilot or a scientist describes some image and you know, says there's no we have no rational explanation for this image. But I and I think, you know, I was in I I went to uh Las Vegas a month ago and I saw a magic show and I have no rational explanation for any of the things I saw.

[00:08:17]But that doesn't mean magic is the most likely explanation. It just means it's something that I can't explain. But just because I can't explain it doesn't mean, like you said, is it was it a lens flare? Is it a smudge on the lens? Is it like the first people who looked through a telescope and saw their own the the uh the red in their own eyes reflected back on them and thought it was canals on Mars. Very, you know, smart, well-meaning people, no one trying to deceive us. And I I can't help but get past some of that, you know, as we as we look through these things. But obviously evidence of crashes, recovered technological things of that nature that some people have claimed the government has would be so uh would would would be so definitive uh proof. And that's the thing that never shows up in any of these declassified documents. You know, I I completely agree with you and I think uh that it's important for scientists to look at the data and try to make sense of it because if indeed it represents anomalies, then you would expect the government to be the first to notice rare events because they, you know, the the defense budget for 2026 is nearly a trillion dollars.

[00:09:25]Uh it's about a hundred times uh bigger than the science budget of NASA. Uh so uh astronomers are not really monitoring the sky as much as the intelligence agencies uh of the US. And uh one would expect that if there are rare events, they would be the first to notice them.

[00:09:41]But, that's not their day job to keep analyzing this data because they have other duties which are more pressing.

[00:09:50]However, [snorts] you know, new knowledge in science was always a result of anomalies, things that do not line up with what we expected. A very distinguished physicist at the turn of the at the end of the 19th century, Michelson, gave a speech in Chicago, the University of Chicago, and said that physics is pretty much over. All we need now is to measure the fundamental constants to the fifth decimal point.

[00:10:17]And that was one decade before Einstein came up with special relativity, two decades before he came up with the general theory of relativity explaining gravity as curvature of space-time. It was three decades before quantum mechanics was discovered. Just to show you that as much as scientists may be proud of their craft, there is a lot for us to learn, and we should attend to anomalous data. However, you know, it's probably a mixed bag, and most of the objects that we see that are unidentified are probably have mundane explanations. But, the government needs some help on that, and that's why I established the Galileo Project that I'm leading, and we are doing our best, and we are in communication with the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon.

[00:11:05]I always appreciate the historical perspective that the certainty of experts in past stages of our history who said, "Yes, it's we've answered all the questions." is a very is a very useful example cuz the questions were not all answered.

[00:11:19]Professor Avi Loeb, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it.

[00:11:24]Thanks, Seth. Thanks for having me, and I should mention that the best is yet to come. I I that the better, more intriguing data will come in in in the coming months. So, let's stay tuned and see what what we see. Right. Now, we'll have you back to discuss that. Thanks so much.

[00:11:39]>> Thank you.