Oh Great Heavens, Another Formal Debate Perchance

Added: 2026-05-29

[00:00:08]your worldview. Okay. If I still don't think you've justified the law of induction, what about the law of morality? Do you believe the law of morality? Uh, >> there's no such thing as a law of morality.

[00:00:18]>> No. Do you believe morality is purely subjective?

[00:00:22]>> Obviously.

[00:00:23]>> Okay. So, in your world, >> does God have a mind?

[00:00:27]>> Of course he does.

[00:00:28]>> Okay. Then that means morality in your worldview is mind dependent which means it's subjective.

[00:00:32]>> Except I would say his that the laws of morality come from his eternal nature.

[00:00:37]>> Okay. I say the laws of morality come from the nature of Zip Zop. And that's where I get it from.

[00:00:43]>> Okay. Can you prove Zip Zop exists?

[00:00:45]>> I don't have to. I presuppose it.

[00:00:48]>> Well, no. Actually, I can prove it because the only way we can possibly have morality, which you agree exists, is if it comes from zips up. So there I just proved it.

[00:00:58]>> Okay. Well, can you define >> it?

[00:01:03]>> When you talk about morality, >> that which is revealed by Zip Zop.

[00:01:07]>> Purely subjective.

[00:01:09]>> No, Zip Zop is the objective standard.

[00:01:11]It's in Zip Zop's nature to reveal to us morality.

[00:01:15]>> Can you can you show me Zip Zop's standard for morality?

[00:01:19]>> Literally, everybody knows uh about the fact that you agree like we're literally sitting here having a conversation.

[00:01:26]about morality and you're trying to deny the source of morality. So you've completely like blown up your own like you literally have you have to adopt my worldview in order to even make a claim.

[00:01:39]In order to even make the claim that my worldview is false, you have to adopt my worldview.

[00:01:44]>> Look how >> to adopt that my worldview is false, you have to claim that morals exist. But morals are revealed to us by zip up. So you just borrowed my worldview in order to argue against my worldview.

[00:01:57]>> In your worldview, your actual worldview, not Zip Zop worldview.

[00:02:01]>> That is my worldview.

[00:02:02]>> Would you say that rape is subjective?

[00:02:06]It's not objectively wrong. But your >> whatever Zip Zop says about rape uh is the objective standard about it.

[00:02:12]>> Sir, I've been trying to be respectful.

[00:02:15]If you keep using false argumentation because you cannot provide any way to observe or to learn about this.

[00:02:22]>> What's false about my worldview?

[00:02:25]>> Show me any revealed revelation from your god called Zip Zop.

[00:02:30]>> It's in my head. That's how Zip Zop reveals it to us.

[00:02:33]>> Okay.

[00:02:34]>> There is a book about Zip Zop, but it's going to be written hundreds of years later in a different language.

[00:02:38]>> So there you So there you go. So there you go. So Christianity is false.

[00:02:42]Therefore, okay.

[00:02:44]>> Do you have do you have the very first Bible?

[00:02:48]>> No, that's not what it >> So, what did the original Bible say?

[00:02:52]>> If you looked into the field of textual criticism, sir, this is >> What did the original Bible say?

[00:02:58]>> Sir, you're going on to a different topic. I will address it, but I think you just kind of left the argument because you couldn't justify your claims. But if >> I'm proving that according to your standard of justification, you don't have it.

[00:03:12]>> If we look at Greek manuscripts, every historian will say that the New Testament is the most wellattested ancient historical writing in all of history.

[00:03:24]>> That's great. What did the original Bible say?

[00:03:28]>> Well, sir, if you knew anything about textual criticism, we constructed >> Oh, there is no original Bible. So you so your source for morality doesn't even exist. Okay.

[00:03:38]>> No source of morality does exist revealed in God's word.

[00:03:42]>> Oh. So where is God's word?

[00:03:44]>> In the Bible.

[00:03:45]>> Where is the original Bible?

[00:03:48]>> Sir, you can you can open up a Bible.

[00:03:50]>> So what you're saying is hundreds of years later, some people wrote down all the claims in a different language.

[00:03:55]Remember when I said that and you said therefore you don't even have uh the the source or the the document for revelation? Yeah. Neither do you.

[00:04:06]>> Um I do you my claim you don't have there there actually is no the Bible.

[00:04:12]You admitted it.

[00:04:15]>> And even if there was a the Bible, you can't read it.

[00:04:19]>> I can look at the >> You speak You speak Greek and Hebrew.

[00:04:23]>> I know a little bit of Greek. Okay. So, even if it did exist, you can't read it.

[00:04:27]Therefore, you can't know it.

[00:04:29]>> Hey, how do you know that every single version of every single scripture in the particular version of the Bible that you accept has been faithfully copied with zero errors? How do you know that?

[00:04:40]>> Good. That's because I can look at God's word and I can >> I know that's the thing in question, Dingleberry. How do you know that after thousands of copies, it's been preserved without error?

[00:04:53]>> You you believe in circular reasoning as well. Don't try to play >> how do you know that every single copy has been translated faithfully without error?

[00:05:05]>> Um, when you say translated without error, do you even understand the field of textual criticism?

[00:05:11]>> I promise you that I understand it. How do you know that every single translation that's ever been made that made it all the way up to the Bible that you chose to read was translated without error?

[00:05:23]>> I don't think you do understand textual criticis.

[00:05:26]>> How do you know that?

[00:05:28]>> Can Well, I'm asking can you can you define what textual the field of textual criticism is?

[00:05:32]>> Buddy, you don't have the inquisitor hat on right now. I have the Inquisitor hat on. I am asking you questions. How do you know that every single verse in the current B in the in the Bible you choose to believe in was translated without error? How do you know that?

[00:05:50]>> I can trust in the Bible because I trust in God that he's blind faith in it. You have absolutely zero evidence. So you don't have a revelatory document. You believe that you have a revelatory document >> and that's why you had to jump from the topic because your worldview was being completely deconstructed.

[00:06:10]>> I literally copied your worldview and you said that's [ __ ] stupid and now here we are you knowing that your worldview is >> now you're strong man Peter you know I never said that >> okay the truth about Zip Zop's morality will be revealed in a book that will be written hundreds of years from now in a different language.

[00:06:29]>> Show me the book so I can internally critique hasn't happened yet.

[00:06:33]>> Okay, there you go. So, you can't just >> Okay. Was Christianity false when Jesus was alive?

[00:06:40]>> Keep in mind that the text hadn't been written yet.

[00:06:42]>> Was Christian Say that again.

[00:06:44]>> Was the Bible false or let's just say not true. Was the Bible not true when Jesus was alive?

[00:06:50]>> You mean the Tanakh?

[00:06:52]>> Was the Bible not true when Jesus was alive?

[00:06:56]>> So, there wasn't a Bible.

[00:06:58]>> Okay, great. So, was Christianity false?

[00:07:01]Sir, Christianity wasn't a thing until Jesus rose into heaven.

[00:07:04]>> Was Christianity false during Jesus's lifetime?

[00:07:08]>> You don't even understand Christianity.

[00:07:12]Christianity started in the book of Acts after Jesus ascended into heaven.

[00:07:18]Everyone was a Jew at the time and then they converted.

[00:07:21]>> You're not a very good presuppositionalist.

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[00:08:00]>> You're making literally your world view.

[00:08:04]So, your worldview is not categories.

[00:08:06]>> You do. Okay, I'm putting the Inquisitor hat back on. You do realize that your world, you just admitted that your worldview is not eternal.

[00:08:16]God is eternal.

[00:08:18]>> God is uh No, you're a Christian, not a Goden or whatever. So God is >> according to the according to the Christian worldview, by which I mean your worldview before Christ, there wasn't even a Christian worldview.

[00:08:32]Therefore, your whole argument about all this logic and all this [ __ ] being eternal is literally false because your belief system isn't even eternal.

[00:08:43]They had the Tanakh before Jesus came.

[00:08:46]Then Jesus ascended into heaven. And then before the destru temple >> before the destruction of the second temple before 70 AD, they had written all the books of the New Testament. I I don't understand the confusion. I don't even understand.

[00:09:01]>> Could you get me one of those? Could you get me one of those documents? Sir, you're very if if you're actually a affirming textual criticism, you know, the Bible is the most well attested book in history.

[00:09:14]>> Uh that's literally false. So that's very that's very interesting that you would say that.

[00:09:20]>> In antiquity history, can you show me?

[00:09:22]>> Oh, so now you're shifting the goalpost.

[00:09:24]Okay.

[00:09:25]>> Can you show me a better well attested book?

[00:09:29]>> Um sure. Probably anything else.

[00:09:33]>> Okay. You're obviously doing >> That's my claim. Zipop revealed it to me.

[00:09:38]>> You're being Look it, you have to resort to absolute absurdity in your worldview to make an argumentation.

[00:09:43]>> Uh you're literally adopting my worldview in order to make that argument because you're criticizing me. You're you're you're accusing me of being dishonest, but that's a moral claim. And morality is revealed to us through Zips Up.

[00:09:57]>> Can you give me 10 moral claims that Zips Up revealed to you?

[00:10:00]>> It doesn't work that way.

[00:10:03]Oh, so you can't even justify or declare. You can't do anything.

[00:10:06]>> No, it's just that I don't cast pearls before swine.

[00:10:12]>> Why not? Would that be bad?

[00:10:13]>> Because you're not worth it.

[00:10:14]>> Zipop in your world view. There you go.

[00:10:17]There's one.

[00:10:18]>> It's not my worldview. It's Zip Zop. And Zip Zop's the objective grounding for it.

[00:10:24]>> I like how you had to come up with a false worldview because you couldn't stay in your own. That's just funny.

[00:10:28]Remember how we went over why is it false and all the reasons it was false?

[00:10:33]Um are the exact story about how your Bible came to be? Remember that?

[00:10:40]Pepperage Farm remembers. Anyways, um any last words?

[00:10:48]>> Yeah, I dumbass. I'm just saying if humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? You can't have an atmosphere next to a vacuum. The Big Bang violates the second law of thermodynamics.

[00:11:02]Everything that's created requires a creation. Show me curvature. There are no missing links. Evolution has never been observed. The Earth is only 6,000 years old.