Indian courts can impose imprisonment and fines on politicians for hate speech during elections, as demonstrated by Azam Khan's 2-year sentence for derogatory remarks about District Magistrates during the 2019 Lok Sabha elections, which violated the Model Code of Conduct and Sections 153A, 153B, and 505 of the Indian Penal Code.
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Hello, welcome to this special live of UP Tak in which today we will discuss the biggest news which we saw today from Rampur where once again the court has sentenced former MP, former MLA, former Cabinet Minister, senior Samajwadi Party leader Azam Khan to two years' imprisonment and along with this, a fine of ₹000 has been imposed along with the two-year imprisonment. Actually, when did this matter happen? Whatever information you have, we will tell you all that.
Our senior correspondent Aamir Aamir ji from Rampur is joining us in this entire live debate. Apart from this, Shiv Prakash Pandey ji is also present with us. Former Joint Director. Apart from this, Senior Prosecution Officer Rakesh Kumar Maur ji is present with us. A very warm welcome to all three of our panelists. Ah first of all ah who is our senior prosecution officer.
First of all, let us tell our viewers what the actual matter was. Actually, this case was registered regarding the election code of conduct during the 2019 Lok Sabha elections.
When Azam Khan, while addressing a public gathering during his election campaign, had said about the DM that all of them are salaried and they will be made to clean the shoes, on whom this entire case was registered, the PM of Rampur at that time was Anjani Kumar, who is currently also the Commissioner of Moradabad Division and on this entire matter, first we will make you listen to the statement of Azam Khan in which what he had said in it, after that we took the discussion forward, do not be afraid of this Collector, he is a salaried person, he is not afraid of salaries and see many photos of Mayawati ji, how big officers are cleaning shoes by taking out handkerchiefs.
Yes, I have an alliance with him and I will make him clean his shoes. Insha Allah, I wish [laughter] [sound of clearing throat] Well, brother, thank you very much, I am leaving.
So you definitely heard what all this is, this is a video of 2019 in which Azam Khan was giving his statement, after which the Election Commission imposed restrictions on him not to campaign for 48 hours, but senior prosecution officer Rakesh ji is present with us. Rakesh ji, first of all I would like to know from you what was the entire case and what did you see in whatever proceedings took place in the court for such a long time and what arguments were given from both the sides.
This incident is of 94 2019. When the general Lok Sabha elections were going on, Mohammad Azam Khan was the candidate of the United Alliance.
And on 94th 2019, during his campaign, he gave a speech on his vehicle as you have seen in the photo and in the video and you have also made him listen to that speech, so regarding this matter, a case was first registered in Civil Lines Rampur because the place of incident was not very clear, so during the investigation, when the place of incident became clear, then this case was transferred to Police Station Bhot and after that, the charge sheet was sent in it by the investigating officer of Police Station Bhot and after the charge sheet was sent, the trial went on in the honorable court. A total of 10 witnesses were presented by the prosecution and after the debate, they had said that it does not fall in the category of hate speech, but the witnesses presented by the prosecution and the most special thing in this is that most of them were police witnesses.
Except one cameraman, the cameraman was an employment officer. All other SDMs were also government employees. So in this way, the Honourable Court, during the debate, considered it as hate speech and an inflammatory speech that provoked the public and has given this punishment today. Under Section 153A of the IPC, two years imprisonment and a fine of ₹000.
Under Section 153B, two years simple imprisonment and a fine of ₹000. Under Section 505 of the IPC, two years imprisonment and a fine of ₹000. These three are sections of hate speech and considering it a violation of the Model Code of Conduct, before this speech, the Election Commission had banned his speech twice, once for 48 hours and once for 72 hours.
After that he committed the incident again, hence under section 125, two years simple imprisonment and a fine of ₹000 has been imposed. So all the punishments will run simultaneously, hence the punishment was only two years but the fine for all four is different, hence it was ₹00.
Yes Mohit ji, this voice is not coming. I would absolutely apologize. Now let us tell our viewers that actually this case of Azam Khan is of 2019.
During this period, many restrictions were imposed on him by the Election Commission.
But the second important thing is that Azam Khan had also won this election. He also became an MP in 2019.
Azam Khan is often known for his controversial statements and his spicy style and especially his statements often make headlines in the news.
But now the same controversy, the same statement, seems to be becoming a problem.
Former joint actor Shiv Prakash ji is also present with us. Shiv Prakash ji, after all, we have always seen this statement of Azam Khan that in many matters he goes across the line.
We all know what he said to a former MP, a former woman MP, using objectionable language. So, Azam Khan is often in the news for such statements, so what is this style and why does Azam Khan use such a style, what do you think?
See, in all the speeches given by him during the Lok Sabha elections, facts of violation of the code of conduct were found.
Facts were found that created hostility and hatred against the regime. During the campaign, he had been making indecent statements that created disharmony and had been making statements that disturbed public peace. The statements made by him were threatening and indecent, contrary to the dignity of the post of a public servant. He has held such a high position.
He has served as a public servant for a long time.
So such public servants are a kind of celebrity type.
And such indecent statements and provocative statements coming out of his mouth have a very bad impact on the public and can lead to actions and reactions. People's peace may be disturbed. So, a 72- hour ban was imposed and in the speeches given by him before this case, it was found that he had been giving such statements regularly and whether these statements were given by him intentionally or in what manner were they given, but the statements that came out of his mouth were definitely sufficient to constitute the offence under these sections and let me also tell you one thing that if exactly the year is 2024. Therein, the Hon'ble Supreme Court had issued one for the first time for the State of Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. The Directive issued a law ruling that hate speech should be banned. Especially when Amit Devgan's case came up for the first time, it was filed in two states and after that in Uttarakhand also. One reason was that I felt that the indecent statements given by these types of leaders have a very bad impact and only the police administration knows how much hard work the government machinery has to do to control it, that is, they have to work hard, so when you asked why they do this, what do they do, then they know why they do it, but if a mistake is committed once, then it is fine, but repeating it again and again in this manner brings it under the category of crime, Shiv Prakash ji, I will add one more question to this because you said why do they do it? Is this done so that they have a Robinhood image, a phantom image? People should clap. People everywhere are getting excited because is it easier for leaders to ask for votes on the basis of their work and to convey such statements and issues to the people in such a way that they raise questions on the DM and this type of administration or is it more difficult to ask for votes on the basis of work? Meaning, what do you believe?
I believe that when a leader holds a public meeting, there are people who follow him in that public meeting. There are people who believe in other parties. There are intellectuals. There are educated people too. There are illiterate people too. And every person's perception is different.
Not everyone who claps does so. People who applaud may be supporters who applaud. You clap like blind people believing in it. But I believe that now, let's accept the politics of garnering votes, but the other side also gets the benefit of it, more or less. If these people understand that such provocative speech was deliberately given by them.
Absolutely, all the information you have given about why these statements are given. But right now my colleague, our correspondent Aamir ji is associated with us. Aamir ji, I would like to know from you that we recently saw a picture from a few days ago, a day or two ago, when Azam Khan's elder son and his wife, who is also a former MP, met Akhilesh Yadav.
After all, what is the meaning of this meeting? What impact are the cases pending against Azam Khan having on his politics? What is the political future going to be? Tell me.
Look Mohit ji, first of all let me tell you one thing that the court decision that has come today, we have covered Azam Khan for 17, 18, 19 years and we have collected every information about Azam Khan, we have covered Azam Khan in everything, always that one dialogue, always that one dialogue from one stage, he always used to say that moments have committed a mistake and centuries have got the punishment, today the same thing has happened with him that moments have committed a mistake and centuries have got the punishment, Azam Khan himself said this from his stage platforms in his speeches which we have heard thousands of times till date and the way you are saying that when Azam Khan's family went to meet Akhilesh Yadav, his wife is not there.
Tanveer Fatima went, Adeeb Azam went and Yusuf Malik is there and this is the same Yusuf Malik who is standing with them now, who had given a statement in the month of Ramadan that new clothes should not be made on Eid.
FIR was lodged. Have got a stay from the High Court.
After that he has now gone to meet his family.
Now preparations are on for 27th. Now the same story is going to start in Rampur as to who will get the ticket and who will not. This is an equation.
Well, a tragic incident happened in Akhilesh Yadav's family, so it was natural for him to go there. But the biggest thing is that if it is asked that the statement given by Azam Khan sahab, then we have often seen such things being common in his speeches, he had made a negative comment about Jaya Prada, before that he used to say many such things in many other cases, we still remember many such cases, 10 years old, 12 years old, 15 years old, that he was saying such things about Sakshi Maharaj ji, all the friends were giving any statement about Sakshi, then he used to be very popular on television, but now the statement that he gave about Tankhaiya has become an example because it was a small statement, without thinking, he stood on the car, standing on the dashboard, with his feet on the bonnet of the car, he told the elder Rishi that you are understanding, stay firm, you mean you should listen to his language that stay firm, this collector, collector means who are you, you are the founder of a university, you teach children, now if you give such a message, I will say the same thing in the end that the people had committed a mistake, that is why they have been punished. So this is going to happen.
Now Azam Khan Sahab has been giving such statements.
Now the court took cognizance of this.
Today the court has taken a decision in this matter. Sentenced to two years.
So this was not him.
But even Azam Khan would not have thought that these statements would become so big in the future.
But yes, now after this court's decision on the MP MLA of Rampur, the leaders of the country will have to give statements thoughtfully because the court is taking cognizance of such statements and is punishing them. Yes, absolutely and this also becomes the biggest decision because till now we have seen very few punishments for such statements in election speeches but the punishment of two years has been given and we know that punishment of two years means that you can neither contest elections nor your membership will be terminated, that is, some other Mohit Bhai, Mohit Bhai, Mohit Bhai, I will wait here for a second, no punishment of two years, see the message has been sent, yes, right now we have received calls from the officers of many people who after working here in Rampur, got transferred here. Some officers retired. We have received calls from everyone's officials.
He said this will set an example. This decision of Rampur Court is historic.
This will set an example. Why? Because such speech was on record. This was the kind of speech. Get your shoes cleaned. Look, whom are you calling a tankhaiya? Everyone is on salary, from top to bottom everyone is on salary, so what did you want to say, the court has taken cognizance, now this is a historic decision which you are going to make an example, yes, it has definitely become an example now, but let us once let the viewers hear what Azam Khan had said during the 2019 election campaign and after that today when this entire decision came in the court, what reaction did Rampur MLA Akash Saxena give, we will also tell you about that, but first listen to what Azam Khan had said in that statement, do not be afraid of these collectors, they are salaried people, they are not afraid of salaries and see the photos of many Mayawati ji, how big officers are taking out handkerchiefs and cleaning her shoes, yes I have an alliance with them, I will get their shoes cleaned by them, Inshallah wanted this, do not be afraid of these collectors, police officers.
This is a salary. I am not afraid of salaries. And see many photos of Mayawati ji, how big officers are cleaning her shoes with handkerchiefs.
Yes. Is there an alliance with them? I will get him to clean his shoes. Insha Allah willing.
So you definitely heard that this is the statement of Azam Khan on which he has been sentenced to two years imprisonment today and fines have been imposed under different sections.
But in this election, Azam Khan himself is saying that Mayawati has an alliance with him. Actually, in 2019, there was a historic alliance between Samajwadi Party and Bahujan Samaj Party. In which both the parties contested the elections together. In this, the number of Bahujan Samaj Party seats in the Lok Sabha increased from zero to 10. But the Samajwadi Party could win only five seats.
One of which was Rampur, which later also saw a by-election after Azam Khan was sentenced.
Ghanshyam Singh Lodhi won the election and by doing so, the Lok Sabha seats of Samajwadi Party reduced from five to three till 24th, so in such a situation, let us first tell you what is the outcome of today's decision. Akash Saxena who is the current MLA of Ram. He is a leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party and remains in the limelight a lot. What did he say?
Look, in the case that was discussed today, the court has imposed a sentence of two years and a fine of ₹000. While the sentence is certainly two years, it is a historic decision in itself.
This decision is a slap on the face of those politicians who used to use such remarks to garner public applause and they forget that if you look at it yourself, the sentence they uttered applies to them as well. The court has given its verdict, so what can we say about this as a whole.
Look, I will just say this: we have always welcomed every decision of the judiciary, and this decision itself is historic.
Historic because the punishment is certainly less, but the message of this punishment is very clear [sound of clearing throat] that politicians should not use such language, especially when the Election Commission had banned him twice before this sentence, once for 48 hours and once for 72 hours.
He had also apologized to the Election Commission and had said that he would not repeat such a mistake in the future, but after that Even after this he did this kind of act and today its decision is in front of you. The decision taken by the judiciary is historic in itself.
Looks like it is going to set an example.
This is an example in itself. I told you this is historical. So according to me, looking at this decision, the leaders should learn a lesson and control their tongue.
So, we definitely heard what Akash Saxena was saying here and one special thing that Akash Saxena said was that Azam Khan had also apologized for all these statements but even then his statements kept coming. Rakesh Maurya ji is associated with us. Rakesh Maurya ji was continuously monitoring this entire case.
Rakesh ji, I would like to know from you who was advocating on behalf of Azam Khan in this matter? What arguments were being put forward on their behalf? Because there is often a long list.
Did the court make any such comment regarding Azam Khan's statements or some of his old statements when the entire hearing was going on in the court? Was all this even discussed there?
No, whenever the court tries a case, only the role of the accused is tried. So in this case, the trial was conducted only on that speech and on the defence side, Vinod Sharma ji was the advocate and Mursaleen, two people were cross-examining the witnesses. When the prosecution evidence was over, they said that they would present something in defence. But then he did not present any witness in his defense and the court conducted it in a simple and uniform manner like a trial. In this, no previous evidence was taken into consideration because in the past also he had been sentenced to two years imprisonment for hate speech, so that was not made the basis. This independent trial was conducted by the court and the sentence was pronounced in it.
During this entire hearing, was any such statement made by the court, any such important line, that often Azam Khan's style has been about your style, this is not a statement, meaning Azam Khan often gives such statements, many times he is seen crossing that line which is one, touching it. Has [sound of clearing throat] no such comment ever been made by the court?
We are not saying anything like what you are asking, every trial has its own grounds. There are separate sections. There is a charge frame. So the trial proceeds accordingly. The prosecution presents its witnesses. The defense gives its own. Isn't it? In this the defence did not give any witness of its own. The entire trial was concluded only on the basis of prosecution witnesses and the Honourable Court held them guilty.
So approximately how many dates would have been given in this entire case because it was a long time, counting these conduct dates in 2019, there were a lot of them, that means approximately 94 are incidents of 2019, the first FIR was lodged on 15th 2019 in Civil Lines police station and then it was transferred to Vote police station on 11th and registered, then the charge sheet came [sound of clearing throat] the trial was going on since 2023, so there were a lot of dates for this, one or two hearings would take place in a month, so according to this, there were a lot of dates, but finally the prosecution was successful and a better message went to the society.
Yes, Shiv Prakash Pandey is also associated with us.
Former Joint Director.
Shiv Prakash ji, after all, all these cases that are continuously going on against Azam Khan, means that he is getting punishments in many cases one after the other and many trials are also being seen.
So what do you think is this case against Azam Khan? Because Azam Khan and his family and the Samajwadi Party often say that this is a deliberate attempt to target them. But how does the court view these things? This working style of the court, this politics has been of Azam Khan. Is the court considering it a crime and giving punishment in the same manner?
Because the allegations are against Azam Khan ji, Shivnarayan ji, see, the punishment for all the crimes is made in the Indian Penal Code. Ok? Now BASS, a new BASS, a new Code has come in its place. So, any person who talks or acts or does any act regarding the facts related to any offence under the Indian Penal Code. Okay, right? Or whoever attempts to do so or instigates to do so will come under its purview. If a person has done such an act once, then it is a crime.
If the same person is doing such a thing repeatedly then it will be a repeat crime.
Now, in all the cases of hate speech given by them, all the facts that I just mentioned are being found. So each crime became a separate crime season.
Apart from this, all other FIRs that have been lodged have different facts. So it is not said about any person that he can commit only one or two crimes. Every person, no matter how many times he commits a crime, no matter what kind of crime he commits, if it comes under the Indian Penal Code or currently under the Indian Justice Code, then he will be prosecuted and when the prosecution takes place, the prosecution will bring evidence before the court, only then will it be successful and in these cases which are similar to yours, oral documentary evidence was successfully given by the prosecution, some of those cases have also been actualized, which you must be aware, in those cases where the evidence was not found sufficient, it was actualized and the prosecution felt that this is a case worth appealing, the prosecution has also appealed, so this is a process of investigation of the case in the court by the police, whatever facts are found during the police investigation, the prosecution feels that we have to add on something in it, then the prosecution adds on that thing further. Then it is placed before the court. The opposing party gets full opportunity to present its arguments in the court.
He also gets full opportunity to give evidence to save the evidence. So the matter moves forward going through all these stages. So it is said that so many cases have been filed against him, it is not just a matter of saying this.
Whatever cases have been filed against them or against anyone else.
I am not talking about this in particular.
You and all the people who have cases against them in the entire country and state, you will see the list of crimes committed by them at different times like when did the incident happen, where did it happen, how did it happen, between whom did it happen, it is different and at different times, different fact- related incidents have happened, no matter how many cases are there against whom, they will be tried separately, the same has happened in this case also, so many cases have been tried, so many cases are going on against Azam Khan.
Our colleague Aamir Khan ji from Rampur is associated with us. Aamir Khan ji, what do you think, this whole matter has now become another punishment.
What were some situations seen in the family? Because Abdullah Azam is also in jail. Azam Khan is also in jail for a long time.
So who is looking after the huge number of court cases from home? What is the information about his wife that her age is quite high?
That illness because Azam Khan himself has said in many statements that she remains ill.
So what is the situation at home and how is politics going to unfold?
Look Mohit Bhai, let me tell you one thing that Azam Khan's family is completely silent at this time and they are not even ready to say anything. No one is even ready to talk on political issues. Be it court cases. Just two-three days ago, his wife Tandani Fatima ji and his elder son had also gone to meet him in Rampur Jail Court Jail, just three-four days ago. Did you mix it or not, we were there. We asked him if he would like to talk? Absolutely refused. He is completely silent and is not willing to talk. He is not interested in any discussion on any issue and as far as his court cases are concerned, Azam Khan has a long army of lawyers. There are three very big lawyers and there are many lawyers from Supreme Court to High Court and also inside Rampur. So his lawyers decide among themselves about his advocacy and they go and silently meet Azam Khan and Abdullah Azam in jail. Whatever decision is taken from there, there is a team work going on.
He is doing his work. So the family is still a little away from the court since 21.
He may not know but Azam Khan and Abdul Azam are always in touch with their lawyers.
Every consultation is done with him and all the work is done only after that consultation. Yes Mohit, absolutely, now if we move towards the political question, Aamir ji, then we saw that the politics of Rampur used to start and end with Azam Khan and whatever Azam Khan decided, the same was seen in Rampur and all the surrounding districts and in 2024 especially we have seen how the candidates were exchanged for the Moradabad seat, it came to light that Azam Khan was unhappy and after that ST Hasan's ticket was changed to Ruchi Meera and then there was a lot of tussle there too and apart from this, in 2024, something happened in Rampur which no one could have imagined that on behalf of Samajwadi Party, an outsider candidate, though he is from Rampur, but a candidate from outside, from Delhi, is sent and he too wins the election and reaches the Parliament and even after that we also saw that when Azam Khan comes out on bail in Rampur, people get angry. When Akhilesh Yadav goes to meet him, the Rampur MP, Mohibullah Nadvi, is stopped in Bareilly itself.
Akhilesh Yadav alone goes to Azam Khan's house with some of his leaders.
Whereas Mohbulla Nadvi is stopped in Bareilly itself.
So, how do you see this entire politics, the politics of Samajwadi Party and especially the politics of Azam Khan, changing?
Look Mohit Bhai, you should understand this, Akhilesh Yadav ji brought Mohabballa Nadvi to Bareilly, he brought him in his plane and Azam Khan had said that he would come alone but he brought him, photos with him were published, went viral, all the news was published and we were not big, he came to Rampur alone, but now think that they boycotted the 2024 Lok Sabha elections in protest against Azam Khan, no one will contest against us, Azam Khan's condition was that Akhilesh Yadav should contest the elections. Yes.
Okay, right? He did not fight. He said we are not contesting the elections. So without Azam Khan's presence, without asking and he saw it, Akhilesh Yadav ji's point has been understood that now a person like Mubulla Nadvi who comes to Rampur on 19th April or 19th March within 22 days.
He contested the election in 22 to 23 days and won by 88,000 votes.
So did Akhilesh Yadav not understand what was happening, whose vote is it, if Azam Khan had opposed then maybe Mohammad Nadi would have won or not, but this is a thing to be understood, that is right, he is big, Azam Khan is the founder of the party, Akhilesh Yadav respects him, when his family went there, a photo of his family was also posted on his Twitter handle, where journalists ask some questions about Azam Khan, then he gives them full respect that respected one is above us, but but see what Azam Khan sahib always said to Naseemuddin Siddiqui?
Yes, I went, tell me.
What was said to Nasimuddin Siddiqui? Now it would be nice if I say it on your own words but he said it from all the platforms that today he is in the party. Today Nasimuddin Siddiqui Sahab says that he is our elder. Isn't it? You should understand the matter, eat inside and then leave everyone.
Mohit Bhai, Surendra was a state minister in BSP in Rampur.
Surendra Sagar Sahab was a state minister in BSP. Azam Khan, why did he join the party only eight days ago? He was made the state secretary of the party.
People have been working hard in Rampur for a long time.
He was not made anything in Samajwadi Party, so this is a matter of thought.
Mollah Navi has come there, you see, Tejendra Singh is working very strongly in Bilaspur assembly. He is very dear to Akhilesh ji. He does not even have any contact with Azam Khan. I even feel that Tej got busy in preparing for the elections on 27th. So you often hear about Tejendra being discussed by Akhilesh Yadav and in the recent Dadri rally in Noida, Akhilesh Yadav wholeheartedly enhanced his stature. Had increased in height. So what is he, right now he is a resident of Rampur. Is in Bilaspur Assembly.
Work is going on in Bilaspur Assembly. Look at his political elections but even after that he never met Azam Khan.
Now if he gets the ticket in 27th then it will not be surprising.
Meanwhile, Mohbla Navi arrived. There is a discussion. There is discussion now. This is not confirmed. Nawab Qadir Khan has also been met. This is the discussion.
Not confirmed. We have these discussions going on right now. Everything is floating in the air right now.
But we do not have any concrete evidence yet whether it has happened or not. See, it is confirmed. If we have met then what is it? So, all these things will have to be understood and all these things will have to be seen that what is going to happen in 27, as far as I think, there is going to be a lot of upheaval in 27 in Rampur and Moradabad division, yes absolutely and what you said about the way Samajwadi Party is preparing by staying at the back end, because if Azam Khan used to do politics in Rampur, then Abdullah Azam had the same stature and he also controls the politics in the same manner.
But both of them are in jail right now.
So, somewhere Akhilesh Yadav and Samajwadi Party are also understanding the vacuum in politics. And another alternative was that he directly sent a candidate from outside in 204, which was also a successful experiment.
Now are they moving ahead on the same line?
Yes, look Mohit Bhai, I am telling you the same thing that if Akhilesh Yadav fields his candidate from Bilaspur Assembly in the 27th Assembly elections, he should field his candidate from Saha Danda. Azam Khan, you know, is helpless from today. Some or the other issue will arise between us which will have no solution.
Elections will be upon us.
What will Akhilesh Yadav do?
Alternatives have already been prepared. Which is understandable?
Quite clearly. So, this politics of preparing an alternative must have been visible to Azam Khan also.
So will Azam Khan's attitude be seen again this time or now Azam Khan should also understand that Samajwadi Party is also doing a different kind of politics where Azam Khan has as much space as the party and its top leadership wants. Now whatever is there is as per the wish of Azam Khan, there was a time when whatever Azam Khan said would happen, that has now changed.
Should this be accepted?
Look, you must believe it Mohit Bhai that you have seen a leader of such stature, no, you just see that Azam Khan Sahab is such a big leader, his name is in the country, name in the world, it is okay that he has earned such a big name but it is a matter of thought that today the politics of Rampur is limited only to Rampur district, where is it going beyond Moradabad, earlier he used to talk about the seat till Banaras, he used to talk about Mipur also. As far as Uttar Pradesh is concerned, wherever there was an assembly, there was interference. Today he is again interfering completely in Rampur.
After the arrival of Mubla Nabi and his victory, many things of the party have become clear and we are understanding them. Well, tell me one thing, everywhere respected Azam Khan sahab, respected Azam Khan sahab, Akhilesh Yadav ji says that he came to Rampur last, people of Rampur are asking questions ever since he went to jail, till today 14th November 2025, he has not come to Rampur jail even once, for me, I am talking to you about the people of Rampur, what is being discussed among the public here, I am a resident of this place, I am seeing everything here, I am understanding things very closely, so if this is the feeling among the people, then there will be no doubt in many things, if in the elections of 27, today I would like to tell my UP Tak viewers with great responsibility that if there is a big turnaround in Rampur in the elections of 27, then there is nothing surprising in it. Of course, we are discussing all the political issues.
Former Joint Director Shiv Prakash ji is also associated with us.
We take a question from him also. Shiv Prakash ji, considering the number of cases and punishments given to Azam Khan, do you think that for how long will he have to remain in jail in the future and the second important thing is that since many punishments have been given, is it possible for Azam Khan to come out of jail in Rampur or get bail now?
He should take bail from the court, High Court, Supreme Court. Are there some ways? How many ways do they have?
Look, there are always ways to go to the appellate court.
If there is a punishment from the lower court, then on appeal to the appellate court, the competent judge of the appellate court, after looking at the facts of the case, the age and other things, also looks at the criminal history.
He has so many previous convictions, he takes the decision after considering all the factors. When the decision comes in their favour, the way forward will open up. As long as the Honourable Court understands this, if it understands any hurdle, then problems will arise only to that extent.
So thank you very much Shiv Prakash ji for joining us. You spent a lot of time with us. Thank you very much.
Aamir is constantly associated with us. We will also talk to Aamir. Some political discussions will take place as to what else is likely to happen next.
Aamir, I will return to the same point of yours because you said a very interesting thing that Azam Khan was the name which was discussed from the west, that is, take the Behad assembly of Saharanpur and you said that he had influence till Mirzapur and now in the present time, mention of Azam Khan is seen only in Rampur and Moradabad division.
So, this is such a big downfall in Azam Khan's politics because Azam Khan is that person who even after falling down, he got up again with the same strength and regained his position.
But how much have the circumstances changed this time, what challenges does his politics face?
Look Mohit Bhai, let me tell you one thing that when Azam Khan was expelled from the party and there were Lok Sabha elections, Thakur Amar Singh Saheb was also there, at that time Azam Khan was expelled from the party, Azam Khan Saheb's health also deteriorated a lot and it is true that Azam Khan 's fate was very bad but at that time Mulayam Singh Yadav did not face such a bad downfall when Mulayam Singh was angry, when Mulayam Singh had come to the assembly to campaign for Jai Praja. So he also said that people get angry with women too.
This Mulayam Singh will be angry with what Mulayam Singh ji said. Now we will not talk about this. He said this very harshly to Azam Khan Saheb at that time.
We were interviewing Mulayam Singh Yadav. He was doing it near the helipad.
So, but now the time has come, whatever punishments are given by the court, if Azam Khan Sahab is speaking anything from the stage, then he speaks in a captivating tone, that a gathering should be created, an atmosphere should be created, while speaking in a captivating tone, where did that tongue go out which came on record and then you already know that all these cases are the result of that, that he is here today, but this question is right that Azam Khan Sahab had a big stature, a big stature, Alam Khan Sahab still has a big stature. But is n't everyone within the party seeing the way he was ignored? There is no consultation before taking a Muslim leader into any party. There is nothing left now. It's fine now. The family is going and Akhilesh Yadav is meeting them. He is taking photos there.
That handle was put on the Twitter handle. He posted that photo to show that everyone is together in this difficult time. Okay, fine. The message went. But this thing that has come, brother, we saw that elections were held in Saharanpur and Azam Khan Sahab had interference there. There is interference in some seat in Ghaziabad. So we used to cover it in Rampur.
People used to come, all the MLAs from all over Uttar Pradesh used to come to Rampur.
Sometimes it seemed as if the entire assembly was being held in Rampur. We used to think that the MLA of which district of which seat of UP did not come. No one comes today.
No one asks, the street in which Azam Khan Saheb had to stand has empty space today. If we look at this today, that picture is also in our sight and this picture is also in our sight. When we look at it, we think how quickly times have changed. So, what a party, we also remember those pictures when on the birthday of Mulayam Singh Yadav, Azam Khan in Rampur orders Queen Victoria 's carriage and in what a grand manner Mulayam Singh Yadav's birthday is celebrated, that was a period of Azam Khan 's politics and if you tell me a little about it in Rampur, see Mohit Bhai, when in 2000, as far as I remember, when Akhilesh Yadav's birthday was celebrated, a 75 feet long cake was made inside the university.
Yes.
And Queen Victoria's buggy had come from London and she travelled 14 to 15 kilometres from Ambedkar Park to Jhar University sitting in the buggy and the entire district, the entire city was decorated and each and every thing was decorated.
How tall was the cake? The cake was cut at 12:00 at night.
So, it was a relationship and Azam Khan sahab had a high status in those days, so when we see that today, it happens a little bit that what is happening today, but yes, somewhere in the party, as far as we feel that Mohabbat Najmi is being elevated and is being praised, the way all these things are coming and along with it, it happens that our Azam Khan sahab is a big leader of the party, work is being done to strengthen him, so this is one thing, the people who discuss in Rampur, the educated people of the society, the people from the capable section who have a hold in politics, they also have the same question that somewhere the party has left Azam Khan sahab alone, which is not visible, he is standing in statements, he is standing on the Twitter handle, but it is not visible anywhere that his team has come to the court, some delegation has come, someone is coming to meet the family, someone is coming and giving information every month or two, this is not visible yet.
No, but it was said by Azam Khan's family itself that hardly anyone would have helped as much as Akhilesh Yadav has, because in many cases of the Supreme Court it has been said that the Samajwadi Party has taken a lot of stand in favor of Azam Khan in the Supreme Court. Did you hear anything like this?
Look, I do n't know about the Supreme Court. Brother, as per my knowledge, I am telling you what I know here, whatever I am seeing, whatever I am feeling in this field, I have put my point in front of my audience and they should think about it. He is a leader of such great caliber.
After that he was told this and sidelined like this. Somewhere, a question is also in my mind that the way Azam Khan has now been limited to Rampur and the question is also that will anyone in the family take over that legacy now because both Azam Khan and Abdullah Azam are in jail. Mother has a long list of cases.
Will the elder sons take care of it? Will his wife Tajima Fatima come back? Or will there be one of the daughters-in-law who will handle the politics and even if they do, will Azam Khan's politics be limited to just one district or should I say more, will it be limited to just one assembly, do you think?
Look, let me tell you that right now no one can tell who his politics will be in the future.
Look, right now Abdullah Azam sahab and Azam sahab are both in jail, there are cases pending against them and just yesterday there was a debate in their PAN card case, one of their lawyers came from the Supreme Court and said that there is probably a date on Monday in that, so the government has gone to increase the sentence, an appeal has been filed to increase the sentence, so the arguments in that too will be held on Monday, so the judgment is still awaited in that too, so when the judgment comes in that too, it remains to be seen that the cases are long, the complaint is very long and the sentences are also quite long and right now, his first focus is on his own cases, that he should get rid of those cases as soon as possible and only after that everything else will be considered, but right now he is silent and inside the jail. Now when he comes out of jail, there should be some talk, some statement of his should come out, his statement should also be weighed as to how and in what tone he said this, so this is it, yes, absolutely, many of our viewers are also connected with us and they also continuously commented.
We also take comments from our viewers.
A.
Here Dilip Yadav is saying that after changing the government, all the cases will end like Yogi Adityanath ji.
Meaning, people believe that the government will change and the cases will be ended.
Apart from this, many people are talking about PDA and along with this, Dilip Yadav is again saying that Samajwadi Party will win the 2027 assembly elections in Rampur and apart from this, there are many other comments which our viewers are also making regarding Anjani Kumar.
I will take one last question from you regarding Anjani Kumar.
His tenure was quite interesting, he was the District Magistrate of Rampur and it was seen that he had a lot of tussle with Azam Khan regarding Anjani Kumar and because Azam Khan's comments on the officers have always made headlines, be it Anuj Chaudhary or Anjani Kumar, so how was the work of the officers in Rampur and now when Anjani Kumar sir has been directly promoted from DM of Rampur to Commissioner of Moradabad division, then how do you see his work?
Look, there was a District Officer of Rampur and while he was an officer, he did whatever work was required and as a District Officer he was, whatever cases came, the RO filed the cases, Kumar, whatever we saw and covered the cases, I just wanted to say one thing that if this case was decided under the pressure of an officer somewhere, then neither did he take the name of Azam Khan nor did Azam Khan take the name of the DM. The collector has called. But in 2000, 2024, 2019, when Azam Khan won the Parliament and the DM was Anjane Kumar.
That picture is in our sight till today.
We might have that photo too. There could also be a video in which Azam Khan gave the gift to Anjan Kumar and then from there it was also given to each other. So that picture is still in our eyes. So those relationships were these relationships in our eyes. Rest of this thing which is floating in the air, what is its meaning, how can we explain it, in what manner there were court cases, decisions came in the court, RO conducted the cases, be it regarding the code of conduct, be it regarding speech, whatever happened in the elections and if there was a PAN card, then the plaintiff Akash was not there, then in this manner all the court decisions came, yes Mohit ji, absolutely you gave all the information to our viewers in great detail, our correspondent Aamir was connected with us directly from Rampur. Was giving all the information. We also told our viewers that did our viewers have any say on this entire politics, today two years' sentence has been given to Azam Khan in a case of violation of the code of conduct of 2019 and along with that a fine of up to ₹000 was also imposed under many sections.
We continuously shared all this information and discussed all this and apart from this, what changed in politics from 2019 and that was a time when Azam Khan, who is a cabinet minister and everything was in Rampur, Azam Khan had the last word in Rampur and a time came in 2019, 2024 and slowly and gradually Azam Khan was seen getting confined to Rampur but now the upcoming election of 2027 is a big question in itself that what will happen in 27?
In 27, in which direction will the politics of Rampur, Moradabad division and especially Western UP go because the way bipolar elections are being held, it is either on this side or that side and will some new equations that are being formed be seen in Rampur as well? Because we have seen that Chandrashekhar Azad is also often seen meeting Azam Khan.
State Congress President Ajay Rai also meets Azam Khan. We enquire about their well-being and politics is lost. So, we will tell you how long this heated politics will continue and whether we will see anything else.
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