Rental Conflicts: Damage, Deposits, and Defamation

Added: 2026-05-23

[00:00:01]Pliff Judy Stasil says the defendant and her husband are her landlords. And Judy thought they were good people until she discovered the defendant's husband was in jail for embezzlement and grand theft. Judy is suing her landlords for emotional distress and harassment.

[00:00:19]Defendants Clarence Tate and his wife Donna say Judy and her husband are habitual liars and Judy's nothing but a prostitute. Clarence and Donna are counter suing for defamation.

[00:00:31]>> Start with you.

[00:00:32]>> Uh, your honor, March 23rd of last year, when my husband and I decided to move into the apartment complex that the Tates own, little did we know what we were getting into. Uh, at the time when we moved in, Donna portrayed herself as a good, loving Christian woman with even a kinder, loving Christian husband. What she failed to tell us was that her husband was incarcerated. And I found out myself when I accessed the court records, he was incarcerated for several counts of embezzlement.

[00:00:58]>> He was incarcerated at that time.

[00:01:00]>> At that time, grand theft, embezzlement.

[00:01:02]Um, he didn't get out of uh jail until, I believe it was late June of last year.

[00:01:06]>> And did that affect anything?

[00:01:08]>> Yes. Because had we known what he was in jail for and we would never have moved there. He's also been charged in the past, your honor, with forced oral culation on his own spouse.

[00:01:17]>> Um, >> what >> I've read all this on the >> Don't make up stuff. You want She's making stuff up.

[00:01:22]>> Your honor, I read this. I accessed the court records online and I found this out.

[00:01:27]>> You have them today.

[00:01:28]>> Pardon me.

[00:01:29]>> You have them today?

[00:01:30]>> No, I don't. I didn't.

[00:01:30]>> Okay. Because part of their claim against you is defamation. This is why.

[00:01:35]>> This is why you got a stack of papers there, don't you? [snorts] >> Yes. And how long did you work to get that stack?

[00:01:42]>> Just maybe a week.

[00:01:43]>> Okay. How long did it take you to look on your computer to look up his record?

[00:01:50]Um, a few minute. How how few minutes?

[00:01:52]Correct.

[00:01:53]>> How many minutes would it have taken to push print?

[00:01:55]>> I don't have a printer.

[00:01:57]>> Could have went to [laughter] a printing place, a Kinko or whatever the other places are that you're right, your honor. I probably didn't bring some very [laughter] critical evidence of something you're accusing someone of that would be extremely damaging >> to their reputation.

[00:02:15]>> Thank you, sir.

[00:02:17]>> Proceed. Okay. [laughter] Tell me the harassment that >> it all started when Mr. Tate assaulted my husband and I would like him to tell you about that cuz I wasn't present for that. They've uh told lies to the police. They brought the police to our uh that we stole furniture when we rented a fully furnished apartment.

[00:02:35]>> You think they did it because they were mad and just wanted to get at you?

[00:02:39]>> Yes, I do. You know, it's just one day they showed up at our door and said uh with the police, we want our stuff. They stole it.

[00:02:46]>> Okay. What else? Give me some other instances of harassment.

[00:02:49]>> Um, I went out my apartment door one day to take my dog out to go to the bathroom. Mr. Tate was in the spa area uh cleaning it and my dog happened to run in there. So, I ran in there to get it the dog. And he started yelling and screaming at me, you know, all kinds of profanity.

[00:03:06]Then he told me that I better watch my back.

[00:03:08]>> Okay.

[00:03:08]>> Or else >> threaten you?

[00:03:10]>> Yes.

[00:03:10]>> Did you call the police or report that threat?

[00:03:12]>> Yes, I did.

[00:03:13]>> Let's see.

[00:03:14]>> No, I don't have the report. All I have is a card. You just told me >> I No, I had the the card. That's all all they gave us was a card with the case number on it. That's all they gave me.

[00:03:22]>> Let me have that. You all can give me some background.

[00:03:24]>> Thank you. First, I want to say win win or lose today. I I want to tell you how much of an inspiration you've been for for my whole family. And just wanted to say that to you, sir. And thank you.

[00:03:33]>> First, I want to indicate that this is a tenant from hell. Both of them. They are habitual liars. They are She's a prostitute.

[00:03:42]>> Watch out. There you go. I told you I have never been arrested.

[00:03:45]>> Be quiet, ma'am. Please be quiet. You made allegations that you cannot prove.

[00:03:51][laughter] >> He looks to have a document.

[00:03:55]>> Hope that's not your friend statement.

[00:03:56]>> No, sir. I'm not going to I'm not going to say nothing to you today. That's going to be certain there's not going to be this regarding her being a pro.

[00:04:03]>> This indicates a witness that seen her in the street. We have a small community.

[00:04:08]I observed Judy Stazzle giving a man oral sex in a parked car down the street from the apartments that my brother owns. I witnessed this behavior from her several times and have also confronted her about it. Your honor, she is a known prostitute. She'll turn a trick right down the street and then and THEN OH >> YES, [laughter] THAT IS SO UNTRUE. That is untrue.

[00:04:34]>> I got to read what the widget says. He said she'll turn a trick right down the street and then come home and kiss a man right in the mouth.

[00:04:44]>> I've seen it with my own eyes.

[00:04:46]>> That is a lie. That is a lie.

[00:04:48]>> No, your honor.

[00:04:48]>> That is an outright lie. These people will stoop to any level.

[00:04:51]>> You might want to sue Alvin.

[00:04:53]>> Yeah, I will. Excuse me, your honor.

[00:04:55]Your honor, Alvin's been incarcerated for the last 6 months.

[00:04:58]>> Well, you know how to reach him.

[00:05:00]>> No, he just got out.

[00:05:01]>> Alvin's just got out.

[00:05:02]>> He just got out.

[00:05:03]>> All right, good. Well, the uh the court can reach him. Your lawyer can read your honor. She is a known prostitute. She'll turn a trick right down the street and then and then Oh, she'll turn a trick and then come home and kiss a man right in the mouth.

[00:05:19]>> I've seen it with my own eyes.

[00:05:21]>> A lie. That is a lie.

[00:05:23]>> Planer Judy Stasel is suing her landlords and they claim Judy is a prostitute and a habitual liar.

[00:05:31]>> What else you want to tell me? You know, we we've been doing business in that.

[00:05:34]I'm a businessman in that community.

[00:05:36]Been doing business in that community for over 11 years. I've owned this property, which is a question for over five. Information that I received from other tenants is that they've been doing doing drugs in the apartments over there, buying them and selling them.

[00:05:46]>> What type of drugs?

[00:05:47]>> Meth. Crystal meth is what they're referring to.

[00:05:49]>> And do you have any evidence or you telling me what you were told?

[00:05:52]>> I was told by two of the tenants that have now since moved out of the complex.

[00:05:56]You use crystal meth?

[00:05:58]>> No, sir. I did in the past. Yes, I did.

[00:06:00]>> You did in the past?

[00:06:01]>> He says coincidentally, right?

[00:06:03]Just a coincidence that you used to use it, but the neighbors say you use it now.

[00:06:08]>> No, your honor. Him and his mother. His mother and I were best friends. His mother and I talked about everything.

[00:06:14]>> Imagine it's just he didn't say nothing about his mother. Next, >> sir. Well, she's a violent individual.

[00:06:21]Okay. How so? Because she continuously assaults her own husband.

[00:06:25]>> Some evidence. Why do you know?

[00:06:26]>> Ask him to smile. Look at his teeth.

[00:06:28][laughter] >> She knocks him. Ask him for Ask him to smile for the clutch. Oh, nothing.

[00:06:33][laughter] >> No, I did not.

[00:06:35]>> You want to speak, sir? Come on. Stand up.

[00:06:37]>> Thank you.

[00:06:38]>> Yes, sir.

[00:06:38]>> State your name.

[00:06:39]>> My name's Curtis St. >> All right. What do you want to say about the allegation that she abuses you?

[00:06:45]>> I just want to talk I want to backpedal and talk about the assault.

[00:06:48]>> I don't want you to backpedal. I want to talk about the abuse that they are alleging. Do you want to do that?

[00:06:53]>> No, I don't.

[00:06:54]>> Have a seat. Thank you. Now, let's get to the things that she has alleged that you all alleged they stole furniture.

[00:07:01]And when they move out of the unit, number one, in this case, >> it was empty.

[00:07:04]>> It was it was empty. She took it upon themselves to go into the unit and remove furniture that belonged to that particular unit, the TV set, the couch, the dressers, whatever. So, we had to call the police to advise the police that they did this. They came out. We have a police report.

[00:07:20]>> Let's see it. Yes, >> your honor.

[00:07:22]>> Do you have your police report? No, I don't.

[00:07:25]>> Your threat, sir. Oh, I did not. I would. You know what? I have a higher power to answer to even so than you, sir. I wouldn't threat a woman. She's making accusations with my son was present at the time of the incident that she's questioning that I'm questioning.

[00:07:37]>> Listen to the defamation you're showing her about.

[00:07:39]>> Well, the defamation is that the tenants that potentially come there. I have her ad that runs in the paper for the last month or so. When she hears the gate open, they come running out and I have statements. She comes running out that say what they say to them. [laughter] I think that I'm going to ask them.

[00:07:57]>> Whatever is wrong with you, sir, you need to control yourself.

[00:08:00]>> That action you just took >> is symptomatic of a dope.

[00:08:08]Byebye.

[00:08:09]>> Bye-bye. Get out.

[00:08:12]>> Now, you're showing me evidence of the defamation you're showing her about.

[00:08:17]Yes, sir. And it says, I begin to tell her I'm a prospective renter and will most likely be her new neighbor.

[00:08:25]Instantly, Judy got real excited and tells me that's a bad idea. She starts saying how horrible of people the owners are and I would regret every minute of being there.

[00:08:41]>> Oh my. The list goes on, but I don't want to bore you. I don't want to bore you with nothing.

[00:08:45]>> Say it. woman proceeded to badmouth and talk to about the owner of the property stating that he was a something and something and landlord who was quick to complain and to do repairs.

[00:09:03]All right. What did you want to say, ma'am?

[00:09:05]>> Uh your your honor. Currently, right now, Miss Bonite is under investigation.

[00:09:10]>> Ma'am, I'm not asking you about any of that. All we're talking about right now are these people who said you defamed them by saying good enough. That's your defense is that all these people are lying. Good [clears throat] enough, sir.

[00:09:24]I think that you have proven your defamation. And with regard to the harassment, you have something you wanted to play. I'm sure that's something there. And do you have something to prove the harassment other than the allegations?

[00:09:38]>> I have a please state.

[00:09:39]>> Let me see the statement.

[00:09:44]Reason for request you are requesting that's a that's a vacation. You're requesting a vacation check.

[00:09:51]>> No. No. Your honor, >> what is this, ma'am?

[00:09:54]>> We've been harassed so much.

[00:09:55]>> What is this?

[00:09:56]>> It's so that the police can come by and due to their continuous harassment.

[00:10:00]>> This says this says you want a vacation check. You're asking for a check.

[00:10:06][laughter] Move on, man.

[00:10:09]>> All rise. This court is now in session.

[00:10:11][music] >> If you're in Chicago and would like to attend a taping of the Judge Matthysse Show, call us at 18663 Matthysse. [music] Planer Judy Stasel is suing her landlords and they claim Judy is a prostitute and a habitual [music] liar. What do you have in your recorder, sir?

[00:10:31]>> Okay. Well, she it's a threat that she made to my wife. Ma'am, did you threaten his wife?

[00:10:35]>> No, sir. I did.

[00:10:36]>> Good enough. Let's hear it.

[00:10:37]>> Here it is. I promise this is the last thing.

[00:10:41]>> The reason I don't want you knocking on my door, Donna, is because when you come in here, you act like nobody ever exists. You act like you're better than everybody else.

[00:10:49]>> You look down on everybody and the only time you're the best friend is when you come in and collect the rent. And believe me, you don't want to knock on my door, but if you want to, go ahead.

[00:10:57]You and I can get to boxing. I don't care. Um, that's the only reason cuz you you treat everybody else like they're beneath you, and they're not.

[00:11:05]>> All right, ma'am. I just heard you say if she came to your door again about the rent that you all would be boxing. That is a threat to assault her. [laughter] And you said it WAS BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS better than anyone else. That's all. Have a good day. Your claim is dismissed. Hers is granted. Have a [laughter] good day.

[00:11:24]>> Answer to God.

[00:11:27][applause] >> Thank you, judge. Thank you, sir.

[00:11:30]>> They did. Nothing. Who do I tell? You can address them.

[00:11:34]the people. What do I do?

[00:11:38]>> I'm a prostitute. How dare you guys go in there and lie. You guys have to answer to the good Lord for this. You do.

[00:11:44]>> No. You stay out of my face.

[00:11:46]>> Stay out of my face. I'm speaking to her. Just stay out of my face.

[00:11:49]>> Okay. You guys know well that both of you lied. Nobody's a prostitute. Nobody does drugs. This is all because how dare us the little tenant. Stay out of his face. You intimidate, man. I'll get it.

[00:12:05]>> Plaintiff Janie Ortiz owns a rental property that she leased to the defendants. [music] Janie claims she never had any problems with the defendants until the day they abruptly moved out and one of the defendants assaulted her and she has the video to prove it. Janie [music] suing for property damage.

[00:12:22]Defendants Leah and Estrosa and her girlfriend Eileen Morales admit they never had any problems with Janie. But on the day they decided to move out, Janie tried to provoke a fight and they were forced to call the police. [music] They're counter suing for stolen property.

[00:12:37]>> Start with you, >> sir. As a young woman, I struggled through life. I um went to school and I went full-time and I had a child, so I try to make a better family for myself.

[00:12:48]So, I figured I gave these two young ladies a chance. Um they seem to be a very nice family. They had a child. So, I figured, you know, I'll go ahead.

[00:12:57]>> How about that other part? school.

[00:12:58]Remember you said you put yourself through school.

[00:13:00]>> I put myself through school.

[00:13:01]>> Did they do that or were they >> They they worked full-time and they went to school full time. So they reminded me a little bit about myself. So I said, "You know what? I'm going to give these girls a chance. They're like the perfect family.

[00:13:11]>> Good.

[00:13:12]>> Never would I think that they would assault me >> and damage my property."

[00:13:16]>> When did they move in? [snorts] >> They moved in on December 1st, 2009.

[00:13:21]>> Mhm.

[00:13:22]>> I really like that.

[00:13:22]>> When did things turn?

[00:13:23]>> It turned on uh July 26th. And so prior to that, everything was fine. Everything was fine. There was no problems.

[00:13:32]>> All right. Let me hear from them about that and then we'll get to some of the specifics of the property damage.

[00:13:37]>> Ladies, first of all, your honor, Eileen and I have been together for 4 years. We have a son together. We go to school full-time. We work full-time and we also coach. Um, normally we don't tell people we're a couple because we like them to get to know us as individuals first cuz we feel there's a lot of discrimination in the world and we would just like it if we weren't judged based on who it is that we love. So everything was good, your honor. Um, we like she said, we had no problems in the beginning, you know.

[00:14:04]Uh, everything was fine up until the time that she wanted to do a walk through because we had did a lot to the house as fixing it up.

[00:14:10]>> What month is this?

[00:14:11]>> This is in about April in 2010.

[00:14:14]Let me get back to her then, then I'll allow you all to respond. Ma'am, >> before the lease, they had asked if they can do some improvements. I said, "You're allowed to do the you're allowed to do the improvements. I'm going to put it on the lease, but as soon as your lease is over, you you are not to remove any of the improvements." I did a walk through. The house looked very nice and there was like, "Oh, yeah. We love it here. We have our privacy. Our kid can run around the yard. The property is actually on three lots, so it's a big yard." And they were happy. And they even told me that they wanted to stay another 6 months if it was okay.

[00:14:45]>> I said, "Sure." And maybe after the 6 months, I can probably try to sell you the home.

[00:14:49]>> Okay?

[00:14:49]>> You know, and it stayed like that. On [clears throat] uh July 26, I get a call from my sister stating that there's a U-Haul at the property. Um I go out there and when I arrive, they are shocked that I'm there. And I asked, I said, "Are you all moving out?" And they said, "Uh yes, we had a family emergency." I said, "Well, y'all should have had the courtesy to call me and let me know y'all are moving out. It takes five minutes."

[00:15:15]>> Their things were packed.

[00:15:16]>> Their things were packed in the U-Haul.

[00:15:18]>> And they said they had to attend a family emergency.

[00:15:20]>> They had to attend a family emergency.

[00:15:22]>> Oh, no. Some Whatever was going to happen, it already happened. If you all had to pack up, [laughter] >> go ahead and tell me what the emergency was.

[00:15:32]>> There was family emergencies. It was like that where my brother was in the hospital. It caused us to change up our living arrangements because after that day we need or her family needed somebody to stay there with her brother because it was um kind of like a behavioral >> needed both of you to stay there.

[00:15:49]>> No, no, no. Eileen to stay with >> Why did you move?

[00:15:51]>> Because I couldn't afford to to stay at the place by myself.

[00:15:54]>> Okay. And she intended to stay with him indefinitely.

[00:15:56]>> Yes.

[00:15:57]>> All right. Why didn't you all tell her?

[00:16:00]Didn't have time for that either.

[00:16:01]>> We really didn't. We had a whole lot of stuff going on as well. We also needed to >> had a lot of stuff going on as in black >> as in um we needed to get ready for our starting school the following semester in the fall semester. We needed to get you know figure out how where we were going to stay and what we're going to do and we just needed everything settled by the time school start.

[00:16:19]>> So with all that on your mind of course who has time to call the landlord and say I'm moving out in the middle of the night [laughter] >> I can understand. Yeah that's a lot on your mind. So [clears throat] yeah ma'am does it take five minutes to talk to you? You're long-winded, [laughter] Miss Ortiz. We have a family emergency, so therefore, we're going to have to leave immediately and hope you'll consider, if you don't mind, we'll talk with you about it later and see what we can work out.

[00:16:48]That's not even 30. How many seconds is that?

[00:16:50]>> Well, your honor, >> that's not [laughter] 45. That was 10 seconds. That was 10 seconds. [laughter] >> Didn't have that, huh? Go ahead. You're suing them about damage. How did they damage the property? honor. Um after the uh July 26, 2 days later, the neighbors call me that there's a window open and the fence is opened and the girls have not returned to the home. So during that week, I had to work. On July 31st, I went to the property. It was my day off.

[00:17:21]The yard was 3 ft high. There was trash all over the place. So me and my son, my 19-year-old, we went out there to cut the yard. And as I'm cutting the yard, her mom arrives. The police got there and um I was trying to videotape before I left.

[00:17:36]>> Videotape what?

[00:17:37]>> I was trying to videotape the yard that I had cleaned the yard.

[00:17:39]>> Okay. Why did the police come?

[00:17:41]>> Because um Miss Eileen, while I was videotaping, she smacked me in the face.

[00:17:46]>> Your honor, that's not true.

[00:17:47]>> She smacked me in the face. And while I was trying to pick up the camera, she still kept on pushing me. And I have video.

[00:17:53]>> Okay. And you say what?

[00:17:55]>> No, your honor, that isn't true. On that day on the 31st, what happened was that I showed up and my grandmother was waiting for me. Yes. Did you hit her while she was holding?

[00:18:02]>> I didn't hit her, your honor. No, I did not.

[00:18:04]>> All right. You didn't knock the camera out of my way.

[00:18:05]>> No, she kept insisting and putting it in me and I have a voice recording as well putting the video camera in my face and coming at me.

[00:18:11]>> That's when you hit it.

[00:18:12]>> Yes, I know. No, sir. I didn't I hit the camera out of my way.

[00:18:15]>> Right.

[00:18:15]>> Right. I hit the camera out of my way.

[00:18:17]>> Very good. We'll be able to see.

[00:18:18]>> I put my hands on her.

[00:18:19]>> Good enough.

[00:18:19]>> Okay, >> ma'am.

[00:18:20]>> Yes.

[00:18:23]>> Hey, I already called for a cop. I need a come and have a cop over. She just hit me in the face.

[00:18:29]>> Yes, she did. I have it on tape.

[00:18:32]>> You need to leave something out of the way.

[00:18:36]>> This is my I'm in the city street. I'm not in your house. I'm in the city street.

[00:18:41]>> That's almost explain that.

[00:18:42]>> No, your honor. I did not push her. It didn't even show where I'm pushing her.

[00:18:45]Or did I hit her? It didn't even show that either.

[00:18:47]>> Why would she want to tape you?

[00:18:49]>> I don't know, your honor. That's what I have to I want to know. Why would she?

[00:18:51]That's why I don't believe she was I believe she was taping the property her property in which you abandoned without notice because you have this sick brother and you had to go to school and you had to do all these other things [laughter] that prohibited you from calling this woman. What is it that you want to play?

[00:19:10]>> Okay, I want to play the voice recording where you can tell the reason why she was coming at me and I'm telling her, "Get away from me. Get away from me. Get away from me." and that she was insisting on recording me.

[00:19:19]>> You need to step back and you need to just go mind your own business.

[00:19:23]>> We didn't sign anything. You need to go over there. You need to go over there.

[00:19:27]>> You need to go over there.

[00:19:28]>> Why?

[00:19:29]>> You need to go over there, isn't it?

[00:19:31]>> You said it doesn't matter.

[00:19:33]>> It's not over. But I have to come here on my off and cut the grass because they don't do and they're going to find me.

[00:19:39]What's going to give it away? But look at the trees and everything.

[00:19:42]>> Look at THE TREES AND WHAT? That's your job.

[00:19:44]>> That's not my job. Yes, it is.

[00:19:46]>> Sign doesn't say that on your knees. It doesn't say that.

[00:19:48]>> I'll bring right now.

[00:19:49]>> Go ahead.

[00:19:50]>> I'll bring you to the top.

[00:19:52]>> Go ahead. You need to get on my face.

[00:19:54]>> I was very I >> ma'am.

[00:19:56]>> Yes. I was very I raped. I was very I raped. In the future, if someone abandons your property without informing you while they have a lease and all you're trying to do is tape the damage or the neglect that has been done to your home, please don't get mad. Just say, "Okay, all right. It's all right. You can leave my grass like that. You're going to abandon the lease. You I'm being facitious. She had every right to be mad at you. Every right. Every single thing she said, I probably would have said the same thing to you. All right.

[00:20:37]NOW, [applause] >> what damage to your property did, >> your honor, I went the next day. Um, well, actually, uh, that day the police arrived and I took footage of the house and you could see where all the cabinets are still in place and I have footage of that, too. So, those are the cabinets that are in place.

[00:21:00]That's the sink. That's another cabinet.

[00:21:03]That's all the trash that was in there.

[00:21:07]>> Didn't have time, ma'am. You're not understanding. They had >> They had two turtles here. Say she had to They left the two turtles.

[00:21:15]>> They have two turtles in the bathtub.

[00:21:17]Animal cruelty with no water.

[00:21:18]Essentially, >> obviously, registration hours were going to end very quickly.

[00:21:24]>> [music] >> Go ahead, ma'am. What else?

[00:21:25]>> Um, your honor, um, >> tell me about the damage.

[00:21:28]>> The damages. I went the next day. I went the next day and I when I walked in the property, I was devastated. I wanted to cry and fall on my knees. I couldn't believe these girls had done this to me.

[00:21:39]On the wall, they had they printed, "Watch your back."

[00:21:42]>> What? Oh my god. I have pictures.

[00:21:44]>> I have pictures where they No, we did not. I have You can check all these pictures. I have pictures where they rip the cabinets off. I have pictures of all the damages they did and all the mess they left inside the home.

[00:21:56]>> Watch your back.

[00:21:58]>> We did not do any of that thing.

[00:22:00]>> You didn't take any of the items off the wall.

[00:22:02]>> No, your honor. We took what was rightfully belong to us that she never paid us for.

[00:22:05]>> I admit we took the cabinets did belong to us, your honor. We have a repair man who we have his witness statement explaining all the repairs that he made in the house that Janie refused to pay >> um to pay for. And we also volunteered to pay at least half of those for those repairs, labor. Ma'am, I'm sure that you can't lease someone's property, put your own fixtures in, pulling her fixture out, her cabinets. Then when it's time to leave, you take your cabinets and she's left with no cabinets.

[00:22:36]>> Okay.

[00:22:37]>> Okay. And it goes, >> I'm sure your [laughter] lease didn't allow that.

[00:22:41]>> They should states, they shouldn't have been removed.

[00:22:44]>> I know. I know landlord tenant law. They should not have been removed.

[00:22:48]>> Okay. Okay, your honor, can she go into the house and take things that are not hers? So, we also have a police report.

[00:22:53]>> Counter claim. That's your counter claim. $530. What does she do?

[00:22:56]>> Okay, your honor, if first of all, we didn't have a lease. We told her for the lease. Um, in June, our >> We did not have a lease report.

[00:23:03]>> No, our G our lease ended in June 2010.

[00:23:06]So, for July, she asked us to re that if we were going to renew it and she was going to raise it for $25. No, we did not. Your honor, right?

[00:23:12]>> No, we did not. Your honor, we did not.

[00:23:14]Right.

[00:23:14]>> Instead, we left. Yes, sir. It was >> took and took the fixtures with you.

[00:23:17]Yes. The [laughter] reason that we had installed >> You said no. You said Yeah. Did you take the picture?

[00:23:21]>> Yes.

[00:23:23]>> Let's get to the stolen property, please. Because >> what are you countering her?

[00:23:26]>> She went in and she stole when I went to the back after the cops had >> What did she steal?

[00:23:30]>> She stole my son's power wheel, a bike, the refrigerator.

[00:23:33]>> Ma'am, did you do that? No, sir. Do you have any >> Do you have any evidence that she did?

[00:23:38]>> Yes, sir. I have the police report.

[00:23:40]>> Read what you have. That's what you told them?

[00:23:42]>> Yes, your honor.

[00:23:43]>> Do they have any independent testimony?

[00:23:44]>> Yes, sir. We do have a witness.

[00:23:46]>> Who is the witness? They are a friend of ours.

[00:23:49]>> Uh, no. Your >> honor, they were there with us the night before. I see her. I >> Your claim is dismissed. Your claim is granted. They remove fixtures admittedly. That is a violation of landlord tenant law. You cannot remove fixtures when you leave just because you put them in. Have a good day, ladies.

[00:24:09]5,000 for the plaintiff. airplane is.

[00:24:12]>> Thank you.

[00:24:14][applause] >> You can say whatever you want. You have no evidence of me stealing anything from your home and I would never do that.

[00:24:22]They were gone. I did not need to argue with you. I did not need to argue with you.

[00:24:28]>> Plaintiff Stacy Clemens says [music] after she rented her home to the defendant and her fiance, the defendant overdosed on heroin and passed out in the garage. Stacy claimed she only agreed to let them [music] stay because the defendant checked into a rehab facility, but 4 days later, she checked out. Stacy eventually evicted [music] the defendants and she's suing them today for property damage.

[00:24:51]Defendant Steven Tigler and Megan Favre [music] insist Megan does not use heroin and never went to rehab for anything.

[00:24:58][music] Megan claims Stacy is a scam artist and a racist card carrying member of the KKK [music] who has a Confederate flag in her garage. They deny damaging Stacy's [music] home. All rise. This court is now in session. The Honorable Judge Greg Matthysse presided.

[00:25:17][music] You may now be seated.

[00:25:21]>> Prove your case. I have known Megan for about six years during which time I have been very close friends with her mother.

[00:25:28]Um also during that time I was told that there were various financial difficulties and also difficulties with a heroin addiction.

[00:25:37]>> What?

[00:25:39]>> I'm >> who's allegedly hooked on heroin?

[00:25:43]>> Megan, >> I'm addicted to heroin. That's why they put you in a rehab hospital when you collapsed in my garage. And what proof do you have of that, Stacy?

[00:25:52]>> Um, Steven calling me and begging me to let you stay there and I said you had to do 30 days of treatment.

[00:25:58]>> Ma'am, did you have to go to drug rehab?

[00:26:01]>> No.

[00:26:02]>> Okay, go ahead.

[00:26:04]>> In the beginning of April of 2009, um, Megan had called me. I had moved out of state. They knew I still had a home in Rockford, Illinois that I was renting out at the time. At the time, my ex-husband was staying there. But they were frantic. they were getting kicked out of their current condo and they needed someplace that they could go and they only had like 3 weeks to get all their stuff out of their other house.

[00:26:25]So, I was made promises that there would be no late payments, that there would be nothing illegal ever going on, that everything would be fine. We came to an agreement. They signed the lease, everything else, and I let them in. They wanted it to be as of I wanted it to be as as of May 1st, but I had given them an extra week to go in and paint and get it ready to go. After the first month, they were starting to fall behind already. Within the second month, that's when I had heard the story and was told the story that she was found in the garage and needed to be taken to the hospital. At that time, I spoke to Stephen and agreed to let them stay there if she did 30 days of inpatient treatment. And then they had went for a couple weeks and never answered the phone. Uh when I did finally get in touch with them again, then I had found out that she had checked herself out after only 4 days. Um >> checked myself out of what?

[00:27:12]>> Then >> let me allow her to give some background. She's anxious to talk.

[00:27:17]>> What do you want to tell me today?

[00:27:18]>> Stacy is a well-known scam artist as well as a compulsive liar, obviously.

[00:27:23]Okay. Uh this year she filed taxes for her uh boyfriend in Missouri. Uh he was award he got back like $5,000 in a refund. She went ahead and kept that uh and then proceeded to put a restraining order against him so that you know to make him seem like he >> took his money and then put a restraining order. How do you feel about Yeah. Objection. Once again, there was a restraining order put up because that is what he accused me of. But even after the police looked into it, they found it all to be completely false. It never happened.

[00:27:52]>> How did you buy the horse?

[00:27:53]>> This is so good. We may never have to get to the property damage. [laughter] >> Go ahead.

[00:27:59]>> Oh my god.

[00:28:00]>> Take your time.

[00:28:01]>> Goose Fraa here. Okay. Oh my. Okay. Uh, aside from that, um, she also uh she's pressured men into marrying her. She's bought engagement rings for herself.

[00:28:11]She's been married three times, divorced three times because of her mental incapabilities and instabilities as well. Uh let's see what else. Uh she has a history of violence. Uh yeah, she kicked a police officer in his groin and then then proceeded to try and file a lawsuit against the Rockford Police Department for police brutality when they wrestled her to the ground for injuring the officer. Okay, this is absurd. And I like how she thinks she >> Let me just say the only reason I'm allowing her to um go down this track of personal information because you opened the door to it.

[00:28:45]>> No, I understand that, your honor. But her personal information has a direct effect on this case.

[00:28:49]>> You say that her heroin addiction has something to do with the case.

[00:28:53]>> Yes, it does.

[00:28:54]>> The property down.

[00:28:55]>> I say her mental ailments have something to do with the case.

[00:28:59]>> Okay.

[00:29:02]Let's get to the property.

[00:29:03]>> Well, my bills are paid. Are yours?

[00:29:06]>> Um then after I let them go in and they fell behind right away, um I started to um my think the first eviction notice I sent up there was in July >> of 09 >> of Oh, I'm sorry I said 09. I meant memory just this past July.

[00:29:26]>> Yes.

[00:29:26]>> All right. Um, then I sent another one up there in August. Um, and at that time, uh, this was all such a joke to that she signed the eviction notice Mickey Mouse when she received it.

[00:29:40]>> Did you all receive eviction notices for failure to pay?

[00:29:43]>> That is that that's not even a legal document, your that was a joke to me, your honor.

[00:29:47]>> And that's how evictions begin. You >> And let me also let me also add Let me also add that she broke her own lease.

[00:29:53]Do you know how many times she raised her break?

[00:29:55]>> Okay. uh several ways. We were supposed to have perma security. We never had it.

[00:30:00]Okay, that was part of the $50. $875 was what we were being charged for rent. 50 of that was for permer security. But one month later, she raised it by $25 for some mysterious reason. 2 months after that, she raised it by another $100.

[00:30:14]>> Yes, I did. Because at that time, that's when they fell behind. We had made it.

[00:30:18]>> So, you raise the rent. We fall behind.

[00:30:19]You raise it.

[00:30:20]>> She makes sense, ma'am. [clears throat] If they fell behind, what makes you think they can afford to raise it?

[00:30:26]because I had talked with Steven and he had made a bunch of excuses of things he was getting my drug addiction and they were getting together and they said that they would catch up first.

[00:30:35]>> She had Steven a little shook today.

[00:30:37]Stephen, >> I didn't say that. Um actually I asked her a few things before if the garage can be fixed because a month before we moved in the garage was uh all taken apart. We didn't get the garage fixed. a month in our stay in that house, we end up getting robbed.

[00:30:54]>> And that's when they called me and said, "Don't worry about it. We're fixing the garage."

[00:30:59]They owe you for damaging the property.

[00:31:01]I have all your information regarding the eviction.

[00:31:04]>> I have pictures of the damage they did.

[00:31:06]My house was not even recognizable.

[00:31:08]>> Actually, your house was a lot worse than we That's enough. That's enough.

[00:31:11]You all talk to me. the realtor that is trying to do a short sale on it to still try to save me with all of the financial trouble that I've went into won't even put it up for sale right now.

[00:31:21]>> What What is this showing me? Ma'am, >> the railings that they pulled apart.

[00:31:27]There was no railing when we moved in.

[00:31:29]We had to put that up ourselves. Stacy, >> did the railing exist when they moved in?

[00:31:34]>> Yes, it did, your honor.

[00:31:35]>> Okay. I don't have any pictures of my house empty and of exact rooms, but I do have several pictures of just pictures that were taken inside my home.

[00:31:43]>> I don't see $3,700 worth of damage under any >> estimate right here of all the damages that they've done.

[00:31:49]>> Hand it to me.

[00:31:50]>> Is that another scam? Who'd you hire to do that for you, Stace?

[00:31:54]>> You have a scam artist to do this?

[00:31:56]>> Oh, yes. I have so much money right now.

[00:31:58]That's why my car's going to get repossessed because I have so much.

[00:32:01]>> I thought your bills were paid, sweetie.

[00:32:03]Well, they were until you screwed me, sweetie.

[00:32:06]>> You all tell me what type of damage you believe was there. Tell me the circumstances in which to move out.

[00:32:11]>> Uh, after we moved in, we, you know, we thought we were moving into a safe neighborhood. Okay. We found out really quickly that we weren't. Um, we also find found out that the home was being used as a uh place to grow marijuana by allergic to it. I would never have >> allergic to it. Well, you weren't living there, so I guess you wouldn't have had a problem, would you?

[00:32:32]and anything illegal. As soon as I find out, I kick them out of my house. Ma'am, let her do you. That's why you asked us to allow him to continue growing and finish his crops. I never ever have said that. I want nothing to do with >> Let her complete her testimony. Go ahead, ma'am.

[00:32:46]>> Okay. Uh, we had several problems with the neighbors there because uh because of Stacy's very public display of her racism. Stace, why don't you show him your KKK card?

[00:32:58]>> What? You don't want to show it? Come on, you show everybody else.

[00:33:02]>> I don't have a KKK card. And I believe the problems with the neighbors were because your family members >> No, it was because you had stole their wallet and $100.

[00:33:10]>> It was because you had a Confederate flag hanging in your in your uh garage has nothing to do with race. Ma'am, it doesn't.

[00:33:17]>> Ma'am, if she was a racist, she has had a change of heart. Clearly, >> my aunt, did I show you her Facebook page?

[00:33:25]>> Let me What are you going to show me on her Facebook page?

[00:33:29]She had to have a change of heart. She would not submit herself under the authority of an African-American.

[00:33:34]>> She's trying to win your sympathy, but she has no sympathy for any of your history.

[00:33:38]>> She must.

[00:33:40][laughter] >> There are Confederate flags on there.

[00:33:44]That has nothing to do with race. I'm against the president. That is my personal choice.

[00:33:47]>> President, one of your things on your Facebook is how can somebody be president who was born in Africa? He was born in Hawaii.

[00:33:53]>> So some people think you're so against him. What are HIS POLITICAL STANDPOINTS?

[00:33:58]WHAT ARE THEY? Why are you so against him, Stacy?

[00:34:01]>> I have my personal reasons, and that has nothing to do with what this case is about.

[00:34:04]>> It has to do with the color of his skin.

[00:34:06]>> And what's that have to do with the case of you trashed my house?

[00:34:08]>> Your house was more trash when we moved in.

[00:34:10]>> Did you see all that?

[00:34:11]>> I mean, that's horrible. It's one thing to disagree with a president, but I mean, that's clear. She urinates on him every morning.

[00:34:19]>> That's what she said.

[00:34:21]>> Is that what your mommy helped you with, too? Is she told you what my probable password was, and you altered that? She said Obama She said Obama screwed more people than Tiger Woods. [laughter] [laughter] >> Last I checked, even if those were my opinions, this >> I don't see her saying anything I don't see her saying anything specifically uh raceoriented as it relates to Africanameans. Maybe I missed it, but let's move on from that. This property damage. You all acknowledge what?

[00:34:57]>> I acknowledge one small hole in the wall that'll cost $50 to fix. There were three holes in the walls. Three? Huh?

[00:35:04]Where? There was one behind the couch.

[00:35:06]>> Ma'am, all I see primarily is normal wear and tear.

[00:35:09]>> They ripped the baseboards off of the walls. They ripped the moldings from around the doors. There's three different holes in the walls. There is dog feces on the walls and ground into the carpeting >> on the walls. Where's the pictures of the dog feces on the wall? faucet >> was broken in half.

[00:35:25]>> And we asked you several times to fix it.

[00:35:28]>> I'm not the one who broke it.

[00:35:29]>> Ma'am, I'm looking at the items. I I will grant you something for your fence.

[00:35:33]850. I will grant the debris and garbage removal. Ma'am, I'm not granting anything. That should >> We already did that. You're right.

[00:35:41]>> That should be subtracted from the uh security deposit. Did they give you a security deposit?

[00:35:45]>> No, we had to work for our security deposit.

[00:35:47]>> They were going to do fixups to the house and they did not do any. Yes, we did. and kitchen faucet. You have a picture of that?

[00:35:55]>> It was in the >> All right. Pick that out for me. I did see a dirty sink.

[00:36:03]>> I couldn't even do my dishes in that kitchen sink for a month.

[00:36:06]>> Right there.

[00:36:06]>> I had to carry water from the bathtub and put it in the kitchen sink to do my >> You say it was like that when you moved in?

[00:36:11]>> It was coming apart.

[00:36:12]>> It was coming apart. My father fixed it several times. My father just recently, unfortunately, went to went to jail.

[00:36:17][music] Ma'am, I'll grant you the $850 for the fence. I'm not convinced that they damaged all the other things. I'm going to grant $150 for the kitchen faucet.

[00:36:28]Your carpet and tile cleaning is part of ordinary wear and tear that a person clean when we moved in.

[00:36:36]>> So, what did I say? $850 plus 150,000.

[00:36:40]>> $1,000 is your judgment, ma'am. Have a good day.

[00:36:47]SHE JUST said a bunch of lies in the middle of court and is full of it.

[00:36:51]>> I'm happy with the ruling because I don't think she deserved as much as she was asking for and I think she got what she should have.

[00:36:58]>> Plaintiff Tracy Blackwell says after she rented a house from the defendants, she discovered they were scam artists who took advantage of their tenants. Tracy is suing her former landlords for a security deposit. [music] Defendants Paul Roner and his wife Karen say Tracy is the true con artist who not only housed runaway teens but allowed minors to smoke marijuana in her home.

[00:37:22][music] They're counter suing for property damages. Start with you.

[00:37:26]>> Your honor. Karen and Paul seemed like an average couple. I had no idea that they were actually scam artists though that were known for taking advantage of their previous tenants. When she said scam artist, I she's been scamming the system for many years and I can't believe she's still on rent assistance after all these years the way she's been scamming the system.

[00:37:44]>> She's on what type of a system?

[00:37:45]>> She's on section 8.

[00:37:47]>> Okay, I'll get to you shortly. Let her give her side.

[00:37:50]>> Mhm. You say they're scaring Marters.

[00:37:52]Why?

[00:37:53]>> Um well, your honor, I believe that they had planned on taking advantage of me from day one. And I had talked to neighbors in the neighborhood and they had told me that these uh landlords are known for suing their previous tenants.

[00:38:05]>> And what did you say?

[00:38:07]>> I was already moved in the property so I couldn't get out of my lease at the time. Okay.

[00:38:12]>> I had no choice but to live my lease out.

[00:38:14]>> Okay.

[00:38:14]>> Um I don't >> think she did want to renew her lease.

[00:38:17]I'm sorry for that.

[00:38:18]>> I did not believe that anybody should rent from these people that >> How long did you stay there?

[00:38:22]>> I stayed there for a year and a half.

[00:38:24]>> What was it like living there?

[00:38:26]Um [gasps] it was it was just constant I'm constantly calling them can you guys come and fix this or this went wrong or that went wrong um in June of the the first >> was it a section 8 property?

[00:38:40]>> No it wasn't they accepted um section 8 as payment.

[00:38:45]>> No ma'am you don't understand. If section 8 is paying that property is section 8 and that property must be inspected [laughter] by HUD to continue to stay in the program. So his property is in the program in which case he must maintain the property in the condition that is required by section 8 and that is done by the inspections. So within that year and a half, did you have an inspection done?

[00:39:17]>> Yes, I did.

[00:39:17]>> Did the house pass the inspection?

[00:39:20]>> Not the second time it barely. The first time it honestly I don't remember. I think the second time they only passed it pending repairs.

[00:39:30]>> Number one, the operative word is passed. Yes.

[00:39:32]>> All right. Sounds like you were saying they had pending issues that they were requiring him to repair.

[00:39:37]>> They gave him a certain date to complete them.

[00:39:39]>> All right. You have that list?

[00:39:41]>> Um, no. I have a >> that because that's very important in proving that there were problems. That's it. Yeah.

[00:39:48]>> Let me have it, please.

[00:39:49]>> Plaintiff Tracy Blackwell is suing her former landlords who claim Tracy used to house runaway teens and allowed minors to smoke marijuana in her home.

[00:39:59]>> Let me hear your side, sir.

[00:40:01]>> Well, your honor, um first of all, uh when my wife and I had first met Tracy, uh we had thought that she was going to turn out to be a pretty good renter. It turned out that uh we found that she was housing runaway kids in the house, smoking marijuana. Uh police were called many times destruction not only to our property but to property throughout the neighborhood.

[00:40:22]>> In fact, one of the car dealerships across the street had called me several times saying he she that he had her son on videotape throwing rocks and breaking. Ma'am, you need to know that out of the 150 items that were inspected, >> there were only three things that they told them needed to be done, and they're very minor things.

[00:40:42]>> And we did have those repairs done by the due date of April.

[00:40:46]>> Okay.

[00:40:47]And so your experience with her staying there is that she had people smoking uh marijuana inside. How did you know?

[00:40:54]>> Well, actually, we uh received a letter from concerned parent who >> in the neighborhood because her son was hanging out with her son. They were skipping out of school together and her son was punching holes in the walls along with her. We if you'd like to see the letter from the neighbor.

[00:41:10]>> Ma'am, did you have minors in there smoking pot?

[00:41:12]>> No, never. My son did not smoke weed in the house. His friends did not smoke.

[00:41:16]>> And also our upstairs tenant said that she that's all what she could smell was pot. The kids were running up and down the stairs all the time. She didn't want to say anything because she had to live in the same property.

[00:41:27]>> All right. How do they owe you for the security deposit? That's what you're suing for.

[00:41:31]>> Um [laughter] because they're saying that I did or my family did all this damage to their property. Um I took pictures of everything.

[00:41:39]>> Um showing how I left the property when I moved out and it's not 30ome 3,000.

[00:41:46]>> Okay, let me see your pictures.

[00:41:48]And so obviously they won't return your security deposit, correct? of $820 because they allege you left with um over $3,000 worth of uh damage done to the property. And these are the pictures that you took when?

[00:42:06]>> I took them on July 1st. And >> when did you move out?

[00:42:10]>> I moved out on July 1st. That was just to protect myself in case if they ended up pulling what they pulled. Exactly what they pulled.

[00:42:19]>> What is this? That's the cupboards that they supposedly would glue back together and started falling. That's another one.

[00:42:27]Those are just showing the cupboards.

[00:42:28]They're saying that the cupboards weren't clean, but >> showing that they weren't dirty.

[00:42:34]>> Okay. What is this, ma'am?

[00:42:36]>> That's the kitchen floor that they said they had. And it's miraculous that there's no >> stayed like this from the time you moved in.

[00:42:42]>> Yeah.

[00:42:46]this.

[00:42:46]>> Oh, that's the living room floor that they said that they had to um repair um by the door. There is some wear and tear, but that's normal.

[00:42:54]>> No, no, that's not wear and tear. That's discoloration.

[00:42:56]>> Our picture will show the scratches all over the floor.

[00:43:00]>> That's some scratches.

[00:43:04]>> Uh the baseballsiz hole in the wall, were they there?

[00:43:08]>> No, there was there was not no baseball size holes when I moved in. There was patch there was patches from repairs that they had done previously from whoever lived there before me. Um, but my son >> Did you take pictures of the patches?

[00:43:23]>> Yes. Yes, I did.

[00:43:24]>> Why don't you show me the pictures of the patches?

[00:43:26]>> There are the last ones. They also turn out >> because that's the biggest expense here are the holes in the walls followed by the hardwood floors.

[00:43:36]Another hole in the bedroom door. Yeah, it's a lot of holes, ma'am.

[00:43:40]>> Mhm. She must had a very angry son.

[00:43:43]>> Here's some more holes in the wall, ma'am. Okay.

[00:43:48]>> You had no one punching holes in the wall?

[00:43:50]>> No, I'm not going to say my son did put two holes in the wall. Yes, he did.

[00:43:54]>> Plaintiff Tracy Blackwell is suing her former landlords who claim Tracy used to house runaway teens and allowed minors to smoke marijuana in her home. And you say that all these things that they list, except for the two holes, were already damaged when you moved in.

[00:44:12]>> All that damage wasn't done is what I'm saying.

[00:44:14]>> You just showed me pictures of some of them.

[00:44:17]>> Yes, >> you showed me pictures of the floor being scratched.

[00:44:21]>> That's from moving furniture in normal wear and tear.

[00:44:24]>> Was it there when you moved in?

[00:44:27]>> No, there wasn't. There was >> Right. So, if it wasn't there when you moved in, but it's here on this picture, don't you agree that you caused it >> from normal wear and tear and from moving furniture?

[00:44:39]>> And that's what you that's your testimony that it is normal wear and tear. And I'm going to conclude that it is not. Do you have pictures of holes in the wall?

[00:44:48]>> And and she decided not to take pictures of the worst floor, which was her son's.

[00:44:53]But but these are pictures that she signed when she moved in. Did you give me the pictures to look at?

[00:44:58]>> Yeah, I did. And >> why do you still have them?

[00:45:00]>> Cuz you handed them back to me.

[00:45:01]>> I know. But you uh Why did you only give me some back?

[00:45:05]>> Because he said to >> He told you which ones to give me back?

[00:45:08]>> Yes. He said, "Give me back."

[00:45:11]>> Maybe I missed something. Did I go to sleep while he was looking and said, "Only giving back these?" Man, you're a liar. This is the first time I've seen these floors in this picture.

[00:45:25]Go ahead, sir. And ma'am, >> and here's the invoice from our contractor >> because he had originally did the floors and we didn't want to fork out another three.

[00:45:34]>> Did you give her credit for the $820?

[00:45:37]>> Yes, we did.

[00:45:37]>> Deducted.

[00:45:39]>> Very, good. Ma'am, your case is dismissed. First of all, because of the damages you caused that you deny, but I'm looking at them with my own eyes.

[00:45:48]And then you lied and said that uh uh Doyle had TOLD YOU WHICH ONES to hand me. [laughter] As if he went through each one and said, "Hand him this one.

[00:45:58]Hand him that one. HAND HIM THAT ONE.

[00:46:00]HAVE A good day." Judgment for the defendant. Have a good day. My god.

[00:46:10]>> I don't do drugs. I've never done drugs a day in my life. I wasn't housing runaways in my house. Um, so I don't know where they got their information.

[00:46:18]We had we had multiple calls from >> You should have came to the house if you were so concerned about it.

[00:46:23]>> We did call and you denied it. It's amazing how you think that the $30 that you kept of our security deposit was going to cover $4,000 worth of damage.

[00:46:34]>> Pliff David Hunter allowed the defendant to move into his home and in lie of paying rent, [music] the defendant agreed to do remodeling projects around the house. However, the defendant failed to complete the work. [music] So, David suing for living expenses.

[00:46:50]Defendant Travis Farmer says David often traveled to third world countries to find people who didn't speak English, so he could treat them like his personal slaves. Travis insists David couldn't even decide what repairs he wanted, and he's counter suing for wages [music] and property payments.

[00:47:07]>> Let's hear from you.

[00:47:09]>> Last fall, I'm looking to get my roof done. Craigslist, ran into Travis Farmer. The the background is I travel a lot for work. I've owned this house for about three years and I maybe slept in there for two months.

[00:47:22]>> Okay.

[00:47:23]>> Get to know Travis over um last fall.

[00:47:27]Basically, it started out as a friend helping a friend.

[00:47:31]>> Tell you what, you know, you can have a place to hang your hat. I got some stuff to do around the house. And and I had a list of stuff. actually he had started a job for me um repairing the sophets.

[00:47:41]>> What was the agreement regarding him living there in exchange for work? What was the agreement? Was there a specific agreement?

[00:47:49]>> No, I don't think we ever wrote anything down. It's just talking.

[00:47:52]>> Okay. Just every night you just come up with whatever you off the top of your head.

[00:47:58]>> The the tasks that I had >> Mhm.

[00:48:01]>> were get the sophets done.

[00:48:04]>> That's what I want to hear. The list of things. What is it? Get the sophets done. What? You know, if you >> I don't even know what that is.

[00:48:11]>> Well, imagine you're standing.

[00:48:12]>> That's about as much as I know about fixing a house. A sophet. [laughter] >> Yep.

[00:48:16]>> You know what that is?

[00:48:17]>> Yeah. Roof comes down.

[00:48:18]>> Now, you know, you don't know nothing about sit. [laughter] >> Get the sit done. That has something to do with the roof.

[00:48:26]>> Yeah.

[00:48:27]>> All right. You know a little something.

[00:48:28]Soft.

[00:48:29]>> Imagine Imagine you're standing with your back up against the wall of your house and you look up. That's your sopet.

[00:48:35]>> That's the ceiling. Go ahead, sir. Let's [laughter] move forward. Let's move forward. You supposed to do the sophets.

[00:48:41]Yep.

[00:48:41]>> And then what? What else, sir?

[00:48:43]>> Um, sophets. Finish the bathroom and cracks in the bedroom wall.

[00:48:49]>> All right. Pliff David Hunter is suing his former tenant who claims David often traveled to third world countries to find people who didn't speak English to act as his personal slaves.

[00:49:00]Let me uh allow him to tell me what he believes was the agreement.

[00:49:06]>> The agreement was um Dave was looking for a maintenance guy pretty much because he is gone all the time whether it be for work or traveling to third world country to find his next victim.

[00:49:17]But >> victim for what? What does he do?

[00:49:20]>> If you got to know Dave, it's uh I I don't think it's intentional. It's just his personality. Uh he he's got to have people around him that he he seeks out people from like third world countries that basically don't speak English and you know shut the heck up and do what I tell you to lay in the bed, cook me food, whatever. You know, I I actually felt like one second. What do you do?

[00:49:43]>> I'm an electrical engineer.

[00:49:44]>> Okay. And why do you go to third world countries? To contract.

[00:49:47]>> Out of the past three years, I've spent probably a good solid two of those in Montterrey, Mexico. I've met some people there and I guess what he's referring to is I've gone on vacation. These are friends that I've known in Mexico that I'm going back to see. I'm going down there on vac. I went basically what it boils down to free.

[00:50:06]All right. Now, you're saying you work for free, too.

[00:50:10]>> That's the problem. We we could not he would every time he come home, it would be a different job he had planned for me. It went from windows and siding to doing drain tile around the exterior perimeter of the basement. One second, sir. Did you ever request that he do windows and tile?

[00:50:27]>> There was discussion about that being potential work, but >> was anything wrong with the drain and the windows that you were discussing that he potentially might have to do?

[00:50:40]>> Yes.

[00:50:40]>> All right, sir. I would assume that he wanted me to do it, too, because that's the reason you said you had him there is for the upkeep of the house. So if you pointed things out and said something's wrong with the drain, something's wrong with the window. I would expect that that's what he wanted me to fix. Go ahead.

[00:50:58]>> Yes. And then he would switch it up every time he come back. It was a new idea.

[00:51:02]>> Just switched on me. Go ahead.

[00:51:03]>> Exactly. And then [laughter] every time I It's like Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hyde. I don't know who's going to show up or what job he's going to want done. And he he's too cheap to spend any money on his house. Unless it's, you know, unless he's traveling off to to find some internet prostitute. He don't want to spend no money.

[00:51:18]>> You make the man look so bad. One, he goes to Mexico to get slaves. Now he goes on the internet to get prostitutes.

[00:51:26]All right. Go ahead, sir. Why are you suing him for living expenses? What happened?

[00:51:31]>> Because nothing got done. I guess I would like to finish one job and then do the other. Nothing done.

[00:51:38]Pardon me.

[00:51:39]>> How long was he there?

[00:51:40]>> Um, his stuff is still there since January 1st.

[00:51:43]>> How long his things were there? How long was he coming in and out to live and stay?

[00:51:49]>> Five and a half months.

[00:51:50]>> So you're saying for five and a half months this man did absolutely nothing in return.

[00:51:57]>> I would estimate maybe 20 25 man hours worth of work.

[00:52:02]>> Okay. Now, how many times how many times did you come in and out within five and a half months?

[00:52:09]>> Um [snorts] and here's and here's probably here's the other part. How many times did you come in and out within 5 months? How many times per week would you come in?

[00:52:20]Let's go over that. From January to May, >> sir, you don't have to read that. You can estimate. No, no, no. That's not what I'm I'm asking you something very specific. You can estimate how often you would come to your own home.

[00:52:36]>> Once every 3 weeks, once a month, depending on.

[00:52:38]>> Okay. So, you came home at least five or six times.

[00:52:41]>> Yep.

[00:52:42]>> All right. And when you came home those five or six times, didn't you notice by the second time nothing had been done?

[00:52:50]>> Exactly.

[00:52:50]>> And what would you say to him? And what would he tell you?

[00:52:53]>> Come on, man. You know, I'm And we we would it would turn into a bunch of yelling because >> Okay, good enough. Y'all yell and fuss.

[00:53:03]The second time, the next time >> actually the second time for the month of February, he might have done something. He actually the month of January. I walked back in the house.

[00:53:12]>> Sir, what did he do in February? Because you just told me a minute ago he did nothing.

[00:53:16]>> What did he do in February?

[00:53:18]>> I told you he did about 25 hours of labor in February.

[00:53:20]>> Is that when he did the 20 hours in February?

[00:53:23]>> Yes.

[00:53:23]>> All right. What about March?

[00:53:25]>> Nothing.

[00:53:26]>> What did you say to him?

[00:53:28]>> Same thing. I I kept saying >> you all fussed.

[00:53:30]>> I kept saying go. You know, you you can leave. I think this agreement working out.

[00:53:34]>> All right. What happened in April?

[00:53:36]>> More of the same. And he did absolutely nothing.

[00:53:39]>> Next to nothing. Yes.

[00:53:41]>> What does next to nothing mean? Because you just told me the only work he did was in February. You said he did 20 or so hours. I said, "What did he do in February?" He did a little something.

[00:53:51]Now we're up to April and he's doing a little something again.

[00:53:55]>> Yes.

[00:53:55]>> Your honor.

[00:53:58]>> All right.

[00:53:59]>> And what did he do in April? What was the little something he did in April?

[00:54:03]>> This may be part of it. and did some did some of the work on the sophets in April. I I >> No, I probably would say there was nothing done on the sophets in April.

[00:54:12]Probably in that all happened in May.

[00:54:14]>> You're right.

[00:54:16]>> How How am I supposed to get anything done when I can't decide what I'm supposed to >> Yeah, you're right. So, how does he owe you for living expenses? That's what you're suing for.

[00:54:26]>> A reasonable amount that would be paid for the housing he received >> was about $500. $500 >> for 5 12 months and then we're going to deduct some of the work he did on the sophet and whatever else you claim he did a little work on. Planer David Hunter is suing his former tenant who claims David often traveled to third world countries to find people who didn't speak English to act as his personal slaves.

[00:54:56]>> Why don't you think you should owe him?

[00:54:58]He said you did nothing.

[00:54:59]>> I got a letter here from Dave saying that I owe him nothing.

[00:55:03]that I'm the >> sir. Did you write him a letter saying he owed nothing?

[00:55:08]>> I wrote an eviction notice at his request.

[00:55:12]>> There are no obligations or commitments from me to you. There are also no obligation or commitments from you to me. This was May of 2011. What is your counter claim for sir? for he he called get it now where I was uh purchasing my 50-inch flat screen and my Blu-ray and my Xbox and all this. Get it now is uh they give you a loan. They finance you to get the stuff. Okay. I was I was financing it. Well, he called up get it now and told him that I had legally been evicted and that he was throwing my property out in the street. So, they had no choice. And I do have a statement from them here stating that he did. So, um he has >> He threw your things out in the street.

[00:55:56]No, he didn't throw him out in the street. He called the place and told them that he was going to throw them out in the street and they needed to come and get it. So therefore, I my my belongings were repossessed.

[00:56:05]>> Okay.

[00:56:06]>> For no reason of my own.

[00:56:07]>> All right. Sir, did you do this?

[00:56:11]What happened was [laughter] this used to be funny but now it's quite frustrating particularly after I have received a letter telling him that he owes you nothing. What do you want to tell me about the rental uh television sir? Did you call and ask >> the company get it now? A representative from Get It Now came to my door.

[00:56:42]>> You didn't call them >> Thursday.

[00:56:44]>> Did you call them >> the first time? Did you ever?

[00:56:48]>> Yes, I did. Yes, I did.

[00:56:49]>> Judgment for the counter claimment. Your claim is dismissed. He has submitted a letter written by you where you told him he owes nothing. You don't want all your money. I've just given it to you. You want to raise your hand and say what now? Frustrate me some more.

[00:57:04]>> No. No sir. No sir.

[00:57:05]>> Please take this judgment and run with it, sir. YOUR J EVERYTHING YOU WANT, I'M GIVING IT TO YOU.

[00:57:11]>> Thank you, honor. [laughter] >> Have a good day. Lord have mercy.

[00:57:16][applause]