Sacred Cow, Wounded Faith: Gau Mata Needs Action, Not Just Devotion | Hare Krsna TV

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[00:03:45]Thank you very much M. So uh uh I'm just >> uh >> thank you so much for joining us on this platform despite so many other savas and despite being so many so busy uh I would like to tell you that we have just one one and a half hour in hand with you and we would like to make the most out of this time and uh since this day is dedicated to gmata I have a list of questions so that my thoughts do not wander here and there and uh the questions are basically based on the consumption of dairy products, the cruelty that goes on behind the commercial dairy industry as well as the relationship between cow protection and Krishna consciousness. So are you ready for the first question prau G? H yes ma g the regarding the ty products and the sustainability of the goshalas and all these things we can discuss and with the blessings of go mata we can help the community how our isan farms also get nourished and flourished >> yeah please >> so prauji my first question to you is today people call themselves devotey of Krishna and visit temples but they turn a blind kind eye to the atrocities being committed on the same cows. Is devotion to Krishna possible without service to mother cow?

[00:05:09]Yeah, this is a most this is a very important question M regarding uh as we are staying in Tupati you know Tupati is a world famous Lord Wenadeshwar Lord Balaji people as people call Lord Balaji as Govinda the Govinda name itself the go means the cow and Govinda means he's a pleasure giver for the cows so you heard I think people many of the people many of the devotees know the past time also so Lord Balaji He himself uh you know is a protector of cows. Uh you can when you hear the past time of lord balaji. So he left the wikunta and he came he came to this weneshwara wenadalaketra.

[00:05:52]So he resided under the handhill. So lord Brahma and lord shiva every day they used to you know feed lord balaji with the milk the cow and cough. Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva came and so these angry cowhead man. So he wants to kill the cow because every day he used to know all the milk is getting wasted.

[00:06:15]They're putting in the antill this cow and this this cow putting the milk and Lord Balaj is drinking the milk as a pastime actually. So though he's a wikapati but still as a pastime he's living under the antill. So uh see he just throw axe he just threw in a big ax. So he wants to kill the cow. But immediately Lord Balaji stood up stood up know stood up from the antill. He took the blow in front in the middle you can see the red til red mark. It indicates the goraka. So Lord Balaji Lenadeshwara he himself is the productor of the cows. Everybody who chants go in the name is a you know it indicates. So we cannot separate Krishna and cows. We cannot separate Krishna and cows are both are you know and we just see the Krishna is a lover of cows. So if you want to please Krishna we have to please katas. It's the easiest way. So as a devotees it's our more responsibility.

[00:07:14]So whatever we offer to Krishna we have to it's a very important thing we have to take care of the cows also.

[00:07:22]M >> so as a devotees definitely you have to think about this this thing to you know that go the goraka especially uh you know to take care of the cows >> right thank you so much prabuji for sharing your views and also telling the audience about lord wenesh lord balaj I'm Prau, my next question to you is that you are a mechanical engineer. When you left the corporate sector and took over the cow shelter, did you feel that today's educated society has become careless about the safety of cows?

[00:08:17]>> Yeah, it's definitely m because nowadays people would actually in the cities who are living in the corporate sector who are working in the corporate sector. So it's very hard uh to know about what is goata, what is cow. It's a in the Vic age vic in the Vic tradition. So it's a integral part. The cow is a most integral part. It's like in in south of India and I think in the north also in south India and north India also in south India we have seen you can see the you know you can search for the photographs. So people has to take a family photo with the cows with the bulls. So uh nowadays in the corporate sector who live in the corporate sector it's hardly I think I don't know how far they know about the koma how far they know about cows and all. So if they come to villages they could able to see the cows. So it's the most important thing they have to you know one day the now now this oil crisis and all happening.

[00:09:14]So one day it will come definitely people has to depend on bulakarts and all they have to do agriculture with the bulls and all.

[00:09:22]I think nowadays you can see some all these agriculture also we cannot do with the tractor some agriculture like you know potatoes and all these things. So any other vegetables we have to farm with the pulls only the plows the plow with the single plow only we have to take the help of a bull. So uh the day will come definitely. So, so people should get ready for that uh uh you know doing agriculture with the bulls and bulocks and you know drinking only cow milk you know taking care of mother cow the the the thing will come but people should get ready for that and you know now at least from they can start right now uh to know about goat that is their duty actually we cannot cannot say because I was living with the machines and computers no I can't say It's our responsibility because as a human being it's our responsibility to take care of uh mother goat as a human being uh we have you know seven mothers so go is a second mother the one mother is a her own mother and the go kumat is second mother gumata is a third and raja gurupatney brahmanapney and the nurse who delivers to the from the mother's womb so all these seven mothers Kumati is the mother. So as a mother we have to take care of the cow also.

[00:10:48]So people should know about that's their responsibility.

[00:10:53]>> Yes. M 100% I agree with you prauji that with the rapid industrialization with the rapid urbanization since people have been moving to the cities in search of better opportunities to uplift their lifestyle the connection with the cow seems to be getting lost and uh it is not an escape for us to just start living in the cities in search of a better job or in search of a bigger place and lost connection with the cows and uh 100% since the world whole world is facing this global crisis regarding the fuels And regarding all the other energies, the whole world is also looking for an alternative whereas certain parts of India are also focusing on the possible ways they can be solving this matter using the Goshala and the Gober. So, leadersh.

[00:12:29]My next question is regarding the dairy industry. What we call the white revolution or the big milk business today is actually a business of cow's blood and tears. Why don't those who call it an industry see that it is slaughter house?

[00:12:46]Yeah. Then now the white revolution because uh this diary industry is really you know it's a as Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita so we have to follow the dharma a himsa but now actually we see the diary industries are really propagating the himsa itself only while only so as per as per my knowledge I have because I was in the koshala I was taking care of the cows and goshalas and all so I used to travel to the in south India in in our locality. So here the what the dairy industries do is they collect milk from the farmers.

[00:13:28]So from uh from the farmer itself we have to educate uh that's a idea we have to ed first of all we have to educate the farmers because these farmers only the first person they are the first person uh who just do this violence who just because they see cows as a milk machines. They worship the cow in the on the early morning what they do they worship the cow they do all the praa goja but at the end of the day you know they do these all atrocities all the atrocities and all. So uh what what I understand is in the like big big uh there are some goalas like they have some 100 cows and 200 cows uh like big big goal they privately they sell milks they sell dairy products and all the privately not the big corporate companies like small you know medium kind of corporate companies so they do these uh uh these are local these are local people but these farmers these small time farmers every day that's every morning duty So they just clean the cows, clean the goshala sheds and all. They just milk the cow you know there cow milk will comes immediately they just give it to a you know a bulk milk cooling cooling unit nearby the village and all. So they do these things. So we have to educate the farmers first of all because they are the beginning point from them. Uh no we have to educate because they just getting so much of money from the milk nowadays. So they're getting all the money and all they're taking. So we have to teach them the best methods. We have to teach them the you know what what the actually the nonviolence is. What about what is the aims? So first if you if we start there itself then they can uh then we can uh you know at least try to stop something in the AIMSA diary industry because these uh the farmers itself we have to educate we have to create an awareness and you know in a more sound >> 100%. Uh thank you so much Proji for sharing this with us. It's really surprising to me that the very farmers who are going to torture the cows the whole day are the ones who start their day by woriing her and by doing a praina and by reciting some pranam mantras. Now I feel like because the cow is objectified to such an extent that she is not even viewed as a living being anymore. She's just viewed as an object that is something that is going to generate to them a lot of profit, something that is going to help them earn their livelihood. And she's no more viewed as a mother. She's no more viewed as a living entity in itself. Which is why the sentiments seem to be disappearing day by day.

[00:16:28]Fore ground reality.

[00:17:02]My next question to you is for every drop of milk a calf is snatched from its mother right at birth and left to suffer. Why are people silent even after knowing about this terrible cruelty?

[00:17:17]The the point is again it's a lack of education m because see the whole idea is uh people doesn't know how this the whole milking process happening. So people doesn't know these facts actually what uh what kind of violence is happening uh when they drink the milk what kind of violence what kind of the karmic reaction they are going to face because when the cow shed tears now it's a it's a because Krishna will be Krishna will be you know disappointed so when you do when you displace Krishna how you can get the prosperity in our lives so again people the the the people who consume these direct products also they should know these facts how these uh this milk is coming whether in the you know milk or you know as as the commercial commodity how they're getting they don't they don't have the heart they are like people doesn't have the heart the question you asked they separate the cough they separated the cough so separating the cough m separate you know I I used to You know I couldn't able to bear bear that the atrocities they do they sell the milk of within seven days they don't even have the heart I'm talking about uh the local farmers the local farmers who just the small time farmers who have the cows they do all these worship and all they they you know we say goat is a dharma is a walking duty is a walking duty where Krishna you know Because cow cow can be reciprocated. So if you if you speak to cow if you just pray to the cow all the deserts can be fulfilled is a kenu. So all the deserts can be fulfilled because as a worshipper of the cows we have to see this aspect also because they are separating the separating the female cough is a different thing and just they're selling the male cough. You can search in the villages you can't even see the male cuffs. where are these mailups are going? So so many milk cuffs are missings. Missing means that what they're doing they are selling the to the butchers very at very low cost. So it's a it's a it's a very sinful act. So so much violence not small violence the so much atrocities happening. So like mother cow is a you know there is getting killed and but you know these people uh know milking the cow and know selling these things. So these awareness this education should be from the childhood itself we have to you know give through government support and all you know sometimes you know like in a funnier side I have heard in the some Hindi lecture Hindi lecture I have seen and pro is saying that if you if I write a niban you know essay on the go so that the children may say that yeah go you will tell like So they don't know anything. They just say go mata is a go mata. So they don't know about all these things because it it has to be educated. Cow has to be treated as a mother and it should be get all respect uh to the cow. We should all give all respect. We have to worship the cow and also we have to treat in a good manner. That is the most important thing. We have to give education in the from the right from the childhood itself. If you do that definitely people can understand people can stop these atrocities in the right right time >> right thank you so much prauji for sharing your experiences on this thing and I rightly agree with you that it's a very sinful act where male calves are often sold because they seem to be of no use to the dairy industrialists and as you said this uh people are not aware of the kind of bad karma that they're generating people are not aware of the atrocities of the torture that has been going on since decades. Prabhuj you did mention certain things about the torture and the atrocities but do you mind elaborating because since you rightly mentioned that the uh society seems to be not knowing about this. They seem to be not being aware about all this. So do you mind explaining using this platform as a medium as an instrument and telling the audience what goes on really behind the happy advertisement that show the cow smiling and laughing?

[00:21:53]No, it's a real so much reality mother.

[00:21:55]If you go to the villages, I I don't know in the north India what how it how it it functions. But I have seen I have gone through these villages, you know, I have seen what's happening because I just traveled to our whole district. So not even a single male cuff I never seen. So these uh so much atrocities, so much atrocities they they just sell the mail. Sometimes uh we can wonder how without cough now the cow will not give milk. So what they will do is they just you know sell this male cough and they will get the skin they will get the skin from the male cuff and uh they will put like a doll. They will put some cotton into the you know the skin and all. They will make a doll and they will put in front of the cow. The m the cow will lick the uh lick the cough as it it is a as it is it's a living creature. So they steal milk like this. This is the so much atrocities which was happening. So all these things has to be addressed because it's a live show. I I don't know how far because people will uh people are doing these uh atrocious things abusing the cow you know all these bad things they are doing it's a sinful activity though they are claiming that yeah I'm the go palaka I'm the go raika but these people are the first you know um culprits know abusing the cows and all so we have to educate as from the institution we have to make some you know some awareness create some awareness about the uh you know goata and all. So create some awareness about the sinful reactions what they will get the future because we all just look about this dairy industries and all they have this machines and all because the they are encouraging they are encouraging they are giving good amount of money. So these people are doing all these you know atrocious things. They will feed very dirty things as actually very dirty thing to just you know put some hormones and all hormonic injections all to just increase the milk production all was torturing unnecessarily we cannot see you know in a in a public platform like this because when we see these things now we cannot they don't even have the heart if I say some I just I'm just speaking to the one farmer uh so no it's it's a totally wrong Then they are saying prau g what I can do gi because I have to I just purchased cow at a cost of one lakh rupee or from 70 to 70,000 to one lakh rupee so I have to get the benefit they're seeing as it a commodity uh not as a you know not at least as an animal they don't bother about the cow's emotion what it will feel no especially uh it it all happens to this you know this you know videshi guy that these are not the dishi guys they don't they don't take care of dishi guy because you know these our indigenous breed Indian breeds they do with these you know these hf cows and jersey cows so it will give milk for like you know 10 to 15 liters or 20 liters up to that so and on the other side they're getting more now I think uh 50 rupees per liter they're just selling the farmers rightly to the industries and all. So per day they're getting around 2,000 to 2,000 3,000 rupees in a small village. So they're getting more amount like they're getting more salary than the corporate person who lives in the metro city. So the expenses are so very low in the know the livelihood also uh living expenses also very low in the villages. So they can they can help the cow they can do they can practice these aims methods they have the ability but they don't they see as a community is a waste material why if it is a male c means so it is not at all used for us so this is what mother we have to again we have to explain the sinful act sinful reactions they will get the in the future and not only to them to the whole family to the whole family the parat everybody will have to take share in Yes. So we have to explain we have to tell um you know aimsa practice methods and we have to educate that because all sometimes now otherwise what they do they just give it to the goshalas. So the goshalas are so it's a it's a threat to them because the goshalas have there's a limited amount of money. So they also know depend on the donations and all. So cow should be with the farmer not on the goala. So when the cow is that is a ideological what the far the cow cow should be with the farmer. So one acre one cow and you can they can increase this you know head and all. So when the gochalas also it is difficult there some somebody who cannot want who just want don't want to sell the cafa so they want to give it to the goshala but to the goshalas also it's a pattern because they have limited amount of money. So if if some new cow comes now it it is like a 14 years span he has to take care for 14 years you have to bear the expenses. So they say that oh prau I want to I want to give it to Krishna. Krishna is the lover of cows.

[00:27:29]Krishna is the protector of the cows.

[00:27:30]Why can't you take why can't you protect the cow? Yes. We have so limited sources. Uh so this is the challenges which they are facing uh without their know I think I don't know with the some people will do uh with knowledge some you know without their knowledge all these things are happening. We have to explain this because we have to stretch our hands more especially from our institution and I just wanted to uh you know take the advantage of this you know me through this medium especially from our Iscon uh these uh core production we have to advertise this in a in a far better way and now uh I think the goal's manager managers only know they are trying to adise please you know donate for cow these things are happening but we have to advertise from your risk side the what really is a co- production so by doing co-production of what the benefits will come so we have to encourage people to visit gochalas to do goa >> right thank you prabhuji for sharing your views and I rightly agree with everything you said and the concept you brought to light is something that is known as khal bbacha and it is a legal thing practiced in India and I think all over the world. And uh it makes me feel so sad because there are photos and videos online where people have literally recorded and they seem to be posting captions like how dumb is this cow because she thinks that this particular toy that is kept in front of her is her own child. It's okay if it's the skin of her own child. It's okay if it's it has the face of her own kid, but it's definitely not her own kid because he had been sold when he was just one day or two day old.

[00:29:32]Indry or prau I really agree with you that as an institution maybe we are not talking about it enough we are not forcing it enough we are not advocating for it enough as uh as of now only the uh agriculture ministers and the cow protection ministers seem to be talking about it but it's high time that every every single person who claims to be a devotey of the lord Krishna has to come in the forefront and speak about it very openly and speak against the cruelty that goes on within the commercial dairy industry. Thank you so much Roji for your valuable uh valuable answer. Moving on to the next question. Uh as long as a cow gives milk, it is squeezed like a machine. As soon as it stops producing milk, it is left to die on the road or be slaughtered in a slaughter house.

[00:30:55]Looking at this entire system, how do you feel about where we are heading as a society?

[00:31:04]>> Yeah. So in the shastras it is saying that uh you know uh if one drop of blood of cow it will if one drop of blood come no you know the cow shed means you know the the the rains will not fall on the place the dharma will not be totally it's a the rain rains will not come so all the inospiciousness will happen in the place because now the slaughter houses all the slaughter houses are happening. Uh again back to the back to the situation from the where the supply of the cows is coming uh these people are you know just uh living on the roads. So when you when we treat again again again we have to correct in the origin itself only. So why these farmers has to leave the cows on the roads because they're they're just they're just getting enough money enough money to the all the lifetime of cow like you know um it will impially they impregnate the cow you know say I think seven times or eight times and according to the cows the strength and all so when it when it is become dry now so they that is their responsibility at least at least their responsibility they have to take care like like an older mother when we have to serve our mother because she took care of all the needs when you know when you see K as a mother then we can uh serve properly because we cannot leave our mother like that you know uh without uh without any help and all when they when that tough times we have to take care of our mother it's our as a as a son as a as a daughter as a family member it's our duty to take the responsibility to take care of the mother so this idea should be Therefore to the farmers it has to happen the idea as a mother because in the in the farmer's tough time it's a livelihood for the farmer. The cow is a livelihood for the farmer. Uh he's he's just you know getting so much of money. Uh he's getting his money is getting doubled and tripled and his children his daughters are getting married and you know he's son got good education with the cow only. I have seen such families just depend on one acre of land and two three cows. So I have seen such families. I have I have gone through the but I I just ask the same question because why you otherwise they just you know put it on the roads they just leave on the you know forest and all like this otherwise they sell to the very cheap cost very low cost like like you know 15,000 rupees or you know 20,000 rupees below itself only to the butchers and all the these cows unfortunately go to the slaughter houses and all uh some you know very in a very a very cruel way in the these when we see the vehicles you know these these policemen will you know bring these vehicles to our goshala it's horrible we cannot we cannot even digest we cannot eat the food so such is the situation that our legs are broken so they don't have the heart they're not at all human I feel like I feel like what kind of people you are to transport a cows like me in in such a way so it's a it's a from the from the beginning itself the like whoever gets the gets the money whoever gets the money from the cow milk and all that's their responsibility we have to educate because uh all the all the times you know we cannot depend on the goshalas you know NGO NGO organizations so who just because in all the goshalas you can see it's a koshala means it's not in a diary form that's a diary form is a different thing they just involve in the production of dairy milk and all and but these the goshalas are only cow production they are doing so they don't have money they just depend on the donations and all the from the visitors from the who comes they supply dry grass you know and there's a wet grass and all some feed and all jagury so they hardly depend on the people's money you know at least some some extent they are protecting the girls but it's not sufficient so when we just you know stop these atrocities in the uh origin level when they think just is my mother so I took a lot of money I just you know uh did so much money out of this goata so from the I had it's it's his responsibility to take care of the cow when it is in a dry situation so I have seen in the village some villages I have seen this good practices so In one village I have some there is a one farmer there is one one fellow so he is he just supposed to be for a for all the villagers now so all the dry cows he will take care of the whole year so when the cow is now he will take care of the cow just one person only so he will take you know 200 know 100 and 200 cows so he will take care of that every day these cows will go to the go from the goshala to the grazing and all to the nearby hills and all nearby forests and all. So they will go to the grazing and they will come back in the evening. So it will be it will get maintained in such a way. So one farmer one farmer is dedicated for this cow grazing and all.

[00:36:36]So in the you know dry in the dry situation but when it is when it is downing the cow cow is getting downing now. So that time it's a it's a high time to take care put some calcium he has to spend some amount of money to medicine and all. So it's his responsibility like how his his mother has been taken care. So we have to introduce the idea >> actually we are not introducing it's a shastra dharma it is there uh it's a cow is a mother. So we have to inculcate this principle. So that's your mother you have to take care of mother when in there in her difficult times >> right. Thank you so much prauji. uh with the way you're answering these questions make us just understand and realize that you've been so attached to mother cow and that you've been working in this field actively for such a long time that you've seen things in front of your eyes you've seen things happening you've seen mother cow in miserable situations which is why you are able to put it here in words and which is why you are not able to put it in words so clearly because it's not just a topic of discussion for you it's an act of service it's something that you do with the whole of your heart day and night morning and evening And uh we have had guests on our show who have been speaking about this openly. It's going to be close to a year. And uh Dash deted fracture.

[00:38:37]Foreign Please.

[00:39:25]So I am just wanting to tell you that the first five questions we have covered were exclusively about the atrocities were about the tortures that mother has to face. Now the next few questions are exclusively about the consumption of dairy products by devotees. So the next question in this regard is the scriptures say as is the food so is the mind when we drink the milk of such a suffering crying and tortured cow aren't we directly participating in the sin and the butcher's actions.

[00:40:04]So uh yeah the what you said about the devotees especially uh so uh from the devotees itself only we have to see whatever the less violence uh we have to see we have to at least we try to purchase because it's a subtle karmic reactions will be there m because so know though the devotees know uh we we may say that Krishna is a Krishna can purify everything. So we can offer whatever milk to Krishna. So it's it's not all the time it's good but at least we have to see there are subtle karmic reactions will be there because uh we are just participating in that in uh that situation. We are consuming the these diary product which come out of violence. So subtle karmic reactions will be there. So we have to be very careful by choosing the dy products. So from which diary read the person at least um there there are there are some you know some you know honest people will be there you know in some cities will be there they just really it's it's bit costly actually when if you go for aa milk this milk and all bit costly because uh the expenses are more because the cows will not give much milk but it's not milk it's a nectar it's a medicine uh just I just want to share Here one thought is a cow is a family doctor if you drink such kind of milk the nonviolent the aimsa milk so what it will happen so in the previous uh like previous not previous ages like if you go beyond know like 60 years or 70 years before so there are some story there I have heard the stories so uh the farmer the farmer who having the cow now every day morning there has he has to clean the cow so when Our hands our hands and feet are the you know uh it's a index of all these you know diseases and the kmas will you know it's a storehouse in our in the hand it's a storehouse when he clean the cow when he massages the cow so cow will get the idea so what this my master uh is having what kind of diseases he's having if he's having fever if he's having a you know cough and all so the cow while going to the grazing it will eat that kind of herbs and grass. So while afternoon while in the evening when it comes night you'll give such a meal. So it's a medicine for for the you know farmer and all for the master for the householder. So he has not necessary to go to a doctor and all.

[00:42:44]So it's really the who drinks the uh take care of these you know these A2 milk A2 milk which we are promoting the from the dish like you know in Andhra Pradesh we have Wongol Pumor and in if you go to Maharashtra these know Gujarat and Alkir and Tar Parker Rati there are different kinds of breeds in South India there are varieties of breeds Halikar cones so there are sahiwal Cindi so many are there so we we can go for this uh this di milk milk or otherwise though it is a at least they should see what kind of practices they are making. Uh there are there are some harness farmers will be there bit costly because now the packet milk you will be like 60 to 70 rupees but these aims milks they will sell at you know 80 rupees or 100 rupees but if you if you see the practices if you are visible yes they're gooding that they're good at nice practices then it's a good thing we can follow we can encourage such kind of farmers at least uh that is a thing >> right thank you so much prauj this is indeed need the need of the R. We do need to find such honest people in the society, such cowloving, god-loving people who treat the cow as their mother and do not involve in any bad practices when it comes to her. Uh we do have such questions in the following list. The next question is people say we are just buying the commercial milk. We are not killing the cow ourselves. How do you view this excuse? Isn't the one creating the demand also one of the culprit?

[00:44:27]Yeah, it's no there is no excuse. M it's I I told you before only there are subtle karmic reactions is there definitely because we are encouraging we are uh when we when we you know purchase milk from the from these aims the these violent practices which they are making now. So we are also take share of the karma reactions and all. So the torture the kumata has going through that. So definitely we cannot escape from the escape from we can we can say we are not killing the go. No. So yeah in the holistic idea we can by words we can escape but from the from the law itself we cannot escape at least we have to stick to the principle at least see see that uh you know go to the best practices. So we are using uh you know a good amount good practices which the koshalas from the farmers at least we can uh we can encourage such farmers.

[00:45:27]See sometimes uh in Iscon we need some you know um for the festivals all we need is like 60 some 100 liters 200 lit some milk it's a definitely it's a uh uh it's a it's a need big big festivals are happening so that time from we have to from the institution side we have to choose such a farmers so who are really you know supply milk we can uh we can help the farmers also because we are purchasing from why we have to purchase from the you commercial diary products. We can encourage the farmers who are doing a best practices, himsa practices. We can help the farmers also. So collaboratively we can uh can take these things and we can educate our congregation people also. So we can advocate them to purchase milk from such a farmer who is following this himsa practices. So we cannot escape. There is a choice there is a if if we make a priority so there will be people are ready to you know help us to you know to help us to in the these practices just only thing is uh if we encourage these farmers uh okay we can we can give little bit high price uh no problem yeah but you supply a good amount of milk so we have to take these practices in consideration Right.

[00:46:53]Thank you so much prau gi for talking about a himsa dairies and supporting the aimsa daries and uh thank you so much for clearly mentioning that uh despite us not directly participating in the act of killing or butchering a cow if we do participate in the act of buying the products of such violence we are indirectly or directly going to get a share in this cruel activity and today tomorrow or day after we are supposed to face the reactions of these activities and such Such a moment is not going to be very pleasant and at that time all we will be left with is an ocean of endless thoughts and we will be just uh thinking what did we do to deserve this and currently the world is in that exact situation. People are looking at the endless medical bills. People are looking at their breaking relationships and at the same time they are thinking about what mistakes did they do to expect this. But it is clearly in our hand to avoid these situations by giving the the respect that mother cow deserves. Giving her the place that she deserves and that she that the scriptures demand of her. So uh thank you so much. Moving on to the next question. The next question is Lord Krishna is called Gopal and Govinda.

[00:48:11]Will those who offer milk from these slaughter houses ever accept the Lord's mercy?

[00:48:21]So again it's definitely very difficult I have to so yes Krishna Krishna says that so if you offer anything out of love and love and devotion Krishna will accept but these things especially the cows when it comes to the cows now So there is no excuse at all. So you have to you have to minimize at least minimize these things you know it should at least it should be less violence like at least there we have to see whether the milk cows are there in the in the koshala. So right kind of milk but as in a conscious wise uh we should be aware of we should be aware what kind of milk we are getting.

[00:49:18]So uh to offer it to Krishna because Krishna can purify anything. Krishna can purify anything but not uh you know these violent practices but I don't think so but in the conscious level it will conscious level it will be uh creating such a subtle subtle problems will come uh now or future I don't know but but we have to see because uh now at least slowly we have to educate these things because till date you know proju we are not aware of the because because Nobody speaks such things you know how to move forward to the himsa projects and all you know all the time novel also they want to do the Krishna is a you know a makur Krishna wants butter the nonita he wants some butter he wants ghee all milk products we have to so why where we have to at least we have to uh they want some source so we have to give an idea we have to help them. It's our duty.

[00:50:26]It's a and from our leaders side not from our leaders they have to know there should be dialogue there should be discussion. So what kind of practices we should implement with that because in a in a lower level in a in a in a smaller level now we cannot you know decide things you know uh make some statements because already they are practicing practicing their own methods older methods but uh there should be some at least uh from the from the leader side the big big leaders who are in Iscon who are you know advocating ISCON in a higher level they should you know they should make some best practices and now communistry also is working on the best practices what is gone at least from the our Iscon side from our Iskan temple side so what what kind of milk you should uh you know procure what kind of milk you should offer to Krishna because all is temples doesn't have the goshalas so many small small temples doesn't have the bala they have one cover two cover just for the worship itself only because all their milk needs are not getting satisfied at least from our the institution side uh what we are offering to Krishna what we are doing abhishakam to Krishna in the festivals and all so what we are offering to at least we should we should start practicing these methods because you know we should not close our eyes we cannot say there is no hope at all how we can because uh I have seen this I have seen this in some places we cannot even get In I have been in and in and I have been in the preaching center we have there.

[00:52:08]So there you cannot get a cow. So the milk also is a tetra packet. So this are totally a himsa milk. We cannot do a with the you know the milk from the live cow. The cows are not there in the Iceland. So there are such situations but if if there is an availability if there is a priority we must go to the best practices at least from our institution we will start slowly so advertising the concept of nonviolence slowly because we are always busy with our preaching endeavors and all making devotees and all book distribution is all glamorous services glamorous services people will get you know uh you know this devotey this many book because I have in the preaching department also. So this devotey has distributed this many books that many books. So at least we should encourage the cow goas who are working in the goshalas who are you know uh so we can encourage we can encourage the people who come to the goshalas to advertise the best practices from a risk answer from our institution side at least for the from the small small temples uh big temples anyway they have the goshalas they are maintaining from their own cause only big temples their their needs are getting satisfied the the daily abushum daily devotees meat needs all they're getting from the goal itself only but small temples which are you know medium temples so they're just purchasing milk from outside they can choose a best farmer who are doing a nonviolent practices and so we can educate the congregation devotees also so you know they can take from their uh this thing so it's a by the by applying these details The only thing is we can be uh when we when we go into the detail now Krishna will be very pleased. Not that by namesake we are doing you know offering Krishna milk butter and all. No not like that. If you are if you do such detailing things that means Krishna will be very much pleased.

[00:54:17]Yes this devotey is you know very much taking care of cows. He has an idea of he has a heart for the cows. So that's the idea.

[00:54:29]Right. Thank you so much Prauji for looking at the situation from all the possible angles and uh emphasizing on education so much. I really like the way you are very hopeful about the future and uh I too am floating in the same direction. And I really feel that with all these sessions and with all the question answer arrangements that we have been having from such a long time we do feel that the society will change in the future and that people will look at mother with the same lens as they view their own mother. Moving on to the next question prauj. The next question is h. The increasing number of diseases, mental stress and unrest in society today is directly related to the curse and bad karma we are putting into our stomachs every morning in the form of milk, cheese and all the dairy products.

[00:55:21]Do you agree with me?

[00:55:24]>> Yeah. Yes. They agree because proper said that actually proper said that in a proper liamat also uh proper liamat also if you go through that when in the last days uh in the west Virginia when propad in the 1977 when he go to west Virginia they have a big farm in the they have a goshala. So that time propad called to the temple president and he just spoke to the president. So how are the how the cows are you know how the goshala so what is the health how the health is the health of the cows are the cows are good he's inquiring about the cow's health and all so propad used to in the beginning beginning years now so if you hear about propad lectures and all we can propad is strongly recommending so why these wars are happening why these you know pandemics and now we have seen corona and all so propad in those times that time the second world war is happening that time used to tell because there are so much cow slaughtering is happening.

[00:56:24]Uh so much they're they're abusing the cow. So that's why these world wars are uh these world wars are happening. These pandemics are happening. So what we whatever we are facing the human society which we are facing because we are abusing the cow we are just you know you know torturing the cows we're just slaughtering the all these you know violent practices which we are doing this uh you know in a holistic way the the karma is happening and to the all the human society. So everybody is know taking share in that not not the person who is is a culprit no everybody is taking the share because as a institution or from the government side it's a responsibility is a responsibility of a king in the the scriptures it is said that so the king the king's responsibility is that so he has to take care of five subjects one is you know brahmanas and cows women and uh children and the you know elderly people. So as a king's responsibility as a leader's responsibility when he take care of the cows these things will not happen. So when these go himself is happening now. So all these pandemics, all these you know world wars and all propad used to say that you can hear some you know proper lectures and all we can hear that propad used to said why these rains are not coming why these rains are not properly coming at the proper time and uh why these world wars are happening because so much massive cow slaughter is happening that's why people are not getting peace in the society because when the cow is not protected cow is not happy there is no peace in the human society.

[00:58:12]So ultimately because Krishna will not be pleased you can uh we can see in the past time of Gordana Leela also. So Lord Krishna is very much displeased with the Indra because he just abused all the gopalakas and the cows. So Krishna is very angry actually he's ready to you know you know he just wanted to cut the he just wanted to throw the sudashan chakra just to kill Indra because because so much displeased with the Indra's act because he just you know all these heated bundavan but uh after the he just saw the angry of Krishna so to please Indra he brought survivat from the heavenly planet So when Krishna saw the survey Krishna got pleased he just forget everything.

[00:59:03]So it's the easiest way to please Krishna by serving mother cow. So, so the only thing from the you know government level also it's their duty to protect the cows to make some I think some organization some you know religious organizations other organization they are just you know signing petitions like you know make bumatas know national animal like that so like they're protecting the know leards you know the peacocks and all but why can't cows because they have this they have some limitations and But if they come to such an such a situation so these things will come down slowly and you know the sanatan dharma will be established. So from the leader point of view also they have that that is their duty uh to establish some good practices to enforce the law at least in the government has the power but our institution you know we can we can advocate we can encourage but we cannot enforce but government can enforce that they can stop these you know atrocities and the himsa but we can educate we can create awareness but we cannot enforce we cannot pressure uh you know people who but we can create awareness >> right and uh we're hoping prauji that with the right kind of awareness with the right kind of programs and with the right kind of people like you the society does understand that it it it is creating such a loophole in its own way to development in its own way to happiness and this loophole is so deep that once you get caught in this there are very less chances of one getting out of it. Uh please bear with me for this time. Mr. Pushi, the next question is what are you doing differently at is Turupati Goshala that might at least prevent the cruelty? How do you treat the cow as a mother there?

[01:01:33]>> Yeah, actually m we have a now we have two goshalas. So one goshalas is one goshala is nearby adjacent to our temple. So all the milking cows whatever the milking cows are there milk giving cows are there so we kept in a you know small goshala. So all the dry cows all the protected cows. So previously we are taking all these knowh from the munal cows all the stray cows and all we are just adapting. Now we are slowly stopping because our you know our because we have a 50 acre farm so there is a free land. Cows can roam around.

[01:02:10]Cows can you know gra go for grazing there is a forest play area will be there. So there we segregated mother we have a now we are after this uh you know cow production ministry they came with so many sessions so many good practices they have been you know uh they suggested that. So we separated we separated cows and bulls actually we separated the cows and we separated the bulls. The bulls also we categorized like know younger young cows and know young cows or the small cows and the know aged cows and all. So we are separating for the in the the cows and bulls also separately we are maintaining where categories there is a proper demarcation is there and for the downward cows we have a best facility we have a you know big stretcher is there so when the cow is getting down down so just we have a lift we can lift the cow and so veterinary practices are there veterinary doctors are there all the time so whenever we call they just you know come here so whenever we want some you know uh this these milking cows now immediately so so in the rest of the time it will be in our farm so other time it will be in the nearby our goshala so nearby our temple so all the milking cows are in the goshala nearby temple so all the productors and the protected cows and the dry cows in our farm coming so we have a 50 acre farm and uh there we are doing this agriculture and all and also take care of the cause.

[01:03:55]>> Thank you so much Prauji for sharing uh such beautiful instances and I'm really hoping that everybody who's listening to you right now is taking down notes on how to respect the cow and how to develop the feeling of attachment and uh a motherly affection towards mother cow.

[01:04:11]The next question is what would you like to say in no people make the excuse that a himsa milk is not available in cities and if it is it is expensive. How can this ideology be eradicated?

[01:04:26]>> No matter it's it's just an excuse. No, everybody I think outside people also they are very much aware of this you know they have this know going to for the himsa milk a to milk they are very much far better than riskan they are just wanting this a to ghee a to milk they're searching for that so there are larger people we can search everywhere this milk is there so people in our tupati only we have seen so we have seen they are doing some best practices But bit costly but so see anyway it's not it's not about the cost we are purchasing you know unwanted things unnecessary things at a high price know which will not be useful or so it's really uh necessary which will improve the health so these whatever the dishi cow milk which will improve the health which will improve this you know uh the really the the the brahana cows not the hf and the jerika The Brahmanana house which is like a gear tar parker and you know conragal pongur from all these house this will bit expensive like some 80 rupees or 100 rupees will be there but yeah anyway we are we anyway we are spending money on other things we will people are doing all kind you know purchasing very very unnecessary things they're spending so much on the money so sorry so many other things they're spending their money. So they can prioritize they can prioritize there is no excuse at all in cities I have seen I have seen and cities if you they can search they can uh they can directly you know door deliver the you know to milk and all not is the other uh uh small time uh small small scale people you know they're doing this things but only thing we have to in we have to see whether do they're doing best practices A2 milk is really a to milk or not because in the name of organic in the name of A2 milk they're doing there are some you know people who will cheat us cheat us also. So we have to check thoroughly whe they're doing their they're doing their best practices and from that uh we have to procure the milk.

[01:06:53]So we have to uh it's our priority. If you give priority definitely we'll get it anyway. Not that there is just an excuse it's because uh for institution it's a bit costly because you know bulk for for a householder family just one liter of milk per day or not more than they can procure anywhere >> right >> they really wanted >> yeah I have my last two questions and then we can play a video and then we can see if the audience has any questions.

[01:07:27]Uh the second last question is based on Shilap Praad's principles what advice would you like to give to today's young generation to live a life free from cruelty >> shropad especially established incon so uh you can hear that the vasha dharma so propad you know 60 years back he has he just emphasizing on the van dharma people on you know simple living and high thinking. So so anger generations has to come out this you know anyway all the time anywhere they just sitting and in you know in the four walls itself only uh they have to come outside out out of the city to get a fresh air.

[01:08:19]So they have to at least uh not devotees outsiders also they they go to their own village the villages they go do some coa spend some time in the agriculture and all at least because the uh in the next generation people doesn't know how the food is coming how the milk is coming so they cannot see these things so at least we should go to the roots where we are started so propad emphasized for us to you Start vanasham dharma. So emphasis vanashan dharma because uh it's the iscon is the only hope because no other organization promote better than ISCON this van dharma because all the other organizations which they they're just simply speaking on all other things but Iskan is the only one who can speak he can literally apply this vanasham dharma you know in a in a harmony community can live in the harmony the vishas the brahmanakhatria Aisha. So how we can live in the farms? How we can uh sustainably you know you can survive with you know farmland with the cows. So we have to just we have to show we have to advertise we have to advocate. Yeah.

[01:09:35]We have to show the best practices. Yes.

[01:09:38]You can we have to give the hope and we can we should we can encourage people because it's a right momentum right moment. uh now actually this is the right time to emphas to give more on our dharma people how they can live in the villages because in the cities now they it's a literally passionate people are very much passionate what you have said in the previous question people getting so much stress and all so uh one time we could we can experience if if we go to cities so all we can see is from the four walls only so no fresh air know uh so they they can spend more time in the villages uh do agriculture and cow cows cow production and you know simple simple things living in a in a village in a village living with the cow living in the farming life agriculture and all very less expenses very you know cost of living is very low uh I can uh I can one example I can share you know if you can uh see in Mayapur if you can see in May not in the in the temple premises if you go in the villages villages you can see so people are really living they just they have cows they have cows they have some farming very less expense they're happy they're happy with what they have at least they're not following dharma they're not following these you know harrishna mantra some people they're following some people they're not following but at least uh they're practicing uh you satic life.

[01:11:19]Uh what I can say is just doing simple living. They're they're just they're happy with what they have. They're satisfied with what they have. They have some other issues.

[01:11:32]But uh in a materialistic way, they're far better than the city people. I can I can say that simply. But uh the only thing is our institutions also should establish this varnash dharma uh by showing by you know at least uh by by doing best practices from our side we can encourage our congregation uh to start living in the farms to start living in the agriculture area.

[01:12:04]>> Yes.

[01:12:05]>> Right. Thank you so much Prouji for sharing your valuable feedback and for sharing your valuable answer. I agree with you. I agree with everything that you said. Our uh young generation needs to move out of the cities and needs to breathe in a little fresh air and look around the real world and understand that they can change the world. They can bring in a better tomorrow if they finally understand that they need to take the matter into their own hands and start solving the things from the ground itself and start viewing the things as they are and not by sugar coating them by looking at them through advertisements and by looking at them through the marketing gimmicks and the marketing strategies. My last question to you for the session is again it's a very important question prauj slightly long. Shilap Prabhupad's dream was to create a self-reliant farm community.

[01:12:56]How should today's youth boycott the cruel dairy system and move towards true cow service and Vic agricultural revolution in accordance with Prahuad's mission?

[01:13:14]>> Yeah. So uh it's a very important thing m what propad mission so uh previously I answered this uh this thing I think so uh especially from our institution from our side if you start if we start like uh yeah we are we are doing preaching activities we are doing bookish missions we're doing big festival Jaganadatra so all the year we are doing so many things So uh in the in the discussions also with the senior devotees we discussed these things. So why can't we start you know like these you know advertise this cow caring cow protection uh in the western uh in the western um these things western goshalas. So they are uh I think you heard about this cow cuddling and all they they're charging this much price. So they are just emphasizing how why what importance it is cow cuddling what kind of diseases can be cured uh staying with the cow staying in the the farms staying with the cows so these things should be because in India it is free of cost so somebody can come to the goal they can massage the cows we cannot don't charge we can free of cost some volunteer wants to work in the goshala yeah please we we welcome everyone so so we should advertise is because we are we are good at you know good at promoting you know culture and all we are Islam so our lead it's my humble request to the leaders to speak no big big leaders who can he has the influence who they have this you know they have good influence their their voices their voice and their speech you know it will affect so many will convert so many devotees So they can uh create a change they can create create a transformation in our society so that they can emphasize they can speak more on gojalas more on co- production more on living with the cows serving at least weekly once if they come to goshala weekly comes they do some goa you know lifting the cow dung and you know washing the cow and being with the cow uh you know at least serving the cow and worshiping the cow doing praa because in the shastras it's saying more important actually prop said that prop said you know we have to serve mother cow so propad is the one he's the one who started uh you know how we can self sustainability will happen with the agriculture and cow one acre one acre land and one one cow is there means he can he can happily live so we should uh we should promote this thing we we should promote this culture because uh people people know these things but sometimes they just you know forget these facts actually. So go visa matra go cow is not only mother to human being it's a visa it's a it's visa it's a universal mother cow is a universal mother just by just by woriing just by circumambulating so you will get all the piety of circumambling all the devatas so Krishna will be very much pleased very much pleased if you do service to the cows so lot of sukriti will you will get because you know alone we cannot you chant purely so we need lot of supriti to chant harr kr kr kr kr kr kr kr kr kr krishna mahamandra uh to get so much we need so much supriti so it's the easiest way it's the easiest way to serve mother cow because all the other practices you know there is a lot of endeavor know lot of struggle with the know in the devotey community also lot of struggle lot of this thing to chant harakish manta it's also uh you know people needs lot of supriti so this piety will come So uh we have to encourage these things. We have to encourage if somebody start woriing the cow doing some cow go so he can chant better he can chant nicely will come uh these things will come definitely so it's our leadersh I just request to the leaders uh from this platform so speak more about goata more about cooperation that's also sea that's also goa not that you know coming to the goal just speaking on the go mata itself is a sea krishna will be very much pleased so uh like the way we encourage bookish vision like the way we are encouraging youth preaching like the way you encouraging all the other savas and all. So also we should encourage our go co-production also co- production is the most important thing but we should uh people will not select the services you know generally what the the practices what we do is the devote is not good at all is not doing properly not properly put them in the goal it's not like that we should uh we should we have to promote the model goshalas from our side from our institution side. So we should worship the cow in a like in a palace. We have to create palaces to the cows. We should invite everyone not only devotees, outsiders also. So how nicely they are protecting the cows by seeing the methods what they what our devotees are practicing. So people will get inspired our devotees especially outsiders also will get inspired. So it's my humble request to the all the leaders all the especially what you are doing uh from the Har Krishna TV. So every day of thing it's witness day you know doing some session on go mata it's really important it will create I think it will create some transformation in the devotees lives at least they start visiting the goshalas enough they will there will be lot of transformation people are nowadays not visiting the goshalas though devotees so we should say we should start reviving this principle visit the goal seeing mother cow all aspicious will come >> right this is my >> thank you so much I express my deepest gratitude to you on behalf of our team on behalf of all our viewers because you have shared with us such a valuable information and uh this time that we've got to spend with you is something that we're going to cherish for a lot of time because uh what you do with your time originally is something that a lot of us people should be doing originally but because of the ma major migration that has happened over a period of time which is why people are living in the cities and the cities are so glamorized and the city life is so romanticized that the connection with the cow seems to be missing but thank you so much prauji for again making us realize on how important things we are missing out >> thank you very much for giving a nice opportunity to speak about goat Thank you very much for Har Krishna TV. So thank you very much Harrishna Harrishna.

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