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[00:00:00]Hello, good morning, good afternoon. Welcome.

[00:00:13]Today we have a live stream here, a time to answer your questions. It will be brief, it will be quick, but we will answer all your questions.

[00:00:22]Yesterday we had a very special moment with you all, a closed class where we talked about the process of acculturation, personality, and how personality factors influence the processes of acculturation.

[00:00:38]But that class was incredible, we received a lot of positive feedback after the class, and also many questions from people, wanting to understand more about the international meeting, how it will work, about the speakers, especially the male speakers, whose own citations we brought, right, from the articles of the speakers who will be with us, that is, the references from intercultural psychology in the training of Psychotherapists abroad, will be present at the Intercultural Psychology Congress in Brazil this year in August. So today we're going to open this space to answer all your questions about the event, about who the speakers are, about the event schedule, how I can get more involved with this event, and how I can get all the benefits from it. And we're going to explain everything to you because this is a movement here at Psiterapia no Exterior (Psychotherapy Abroad), we didn't create a platform or a company. In fact, we created a movement that brings mental health to Brazilians abroad through specialized professionals.

[00:01:55]And today we are an international benchmark in the process of assisting these Brazilians abroad through these professionals. So, the professionals who completed our training are already out in the field, creating projects and partnerships, bringing intercultural psychology more and more into Brazil, and becoming references within the country. In other words, you don't need to live abroad or have international experience living abroad to understand the migration processes of Brazilians abroad, because today PIS has the largest community of intercultural professionals there to assist you as well, right? And this movement that we talk about here at PSI is an external movement, where we take this knowledge to the client, right? You are prepared, you are trained to bring this knowledge to your client, to have better clinical safety for your clinic, but it's also a movement of ethics and professional safety, because we always talk about it, and yesterday we brought this up a lot here at PSI, which is precisely about the support of the community, right? It's a collaborative community, a community with professionals in over 27 countries, where you have people to exchange ideas with, people to get information from. This is extremely important when you begin to understand intercultural psychology and how to apply it in your clinical practice.

[00:03:31]So that's what we're going to talk about a little bit today, right, girls?

[00:03:37]That's right, Fran. Wow, you spoke so well. Yesterday's class was very special, wasn't it?

[00:03:43]Yesterday was great, we were talking about topics, right? The topics that will be discussed in depth, and also with demands, right, with aspects of the clinical work with Brazilians abroad, will be very well defined.

[00:04:09]We're going to have some very interesting talks on niche topics that maybe the people watching us haven't even stopped to understand yet, but they are very important aspects of intercultural clinical practice. So, yesterday was really great. First, we're teaching, right? Rai talked a lot about that yesterday, about how good we feel in that space, it's what we truly enjoy doing.

[00:04:39]Sharing knowledge is also so good. And that's why the meeting is so special for us, because the meeting is born from the meeting, right? We're already on its third edition, it's born from the realization of psychotherapy abroad, which is born from the union of the three of us, you know a little bit of the story. And because of our commitment to the study, to the theoretical and technical field of intercultural psychology, from the beginning it has had this commitment, right, not only to deepen the studies, but also to be able to share with people this content that we are constantly studying, deepening and adding other professionals as well, which has always been our commitment. So, it was born like this, and in this third edition, it's even more, let's say, academically grounded, right? It even includes a section for submissions so that you can apply, right?

[00:05:55]Anyone who wants to submit their research, their topic, it's a great opportunity too, isn't it? And with incredible lectures, where there will certainly be topics that I think you have n't stopped to think about yet, such as specific demands of intercultural clinical practice. So I think it 's definitely something very new, and that's why it makes so much sense for us to be here talking to you today, because what's new is unknown, we find it strange at first, and we need to clear up our doubts to understand it, that's how we do it. That's how our client acts when arriving in a new culture, and that's how we familiarize ourselves with the novelties of the world, right? We have to take it away. What reached me yesterday on my private Instagram was a question about the lectures. So, people went to the website and they wanted to understand what the lectures were about, because generally when we're talking about a conference format, right?

[00:07:02]When I have a conference, I have several speakers participating, bringing their research and areas of study. And one of its strong points is that it brings professionals together; it has two focuses, okay everyone? It's very important. It is a gathering of professionals who will come from various parts of the world. So, professionals are leaving from Canada, Switzerland, England, Portugal, the United States, a huge number of professionals from Brazil are making this move, people from São Paulo, from other states as well.

[00:07:39]But we also opened doors. That's a very important question if you know about it. Our content also connects very well, and the person who asked me this question was a professional in the field of international law. What would be the topic of the lectures? Because they have a strong interest in connecting with professionals who study interculturality, since lawyers, especially those working internationally, experience this intercultural universe 100% as well.

[00:08:07]So, it was their interest to connect with many professionals and learn more about the field.

[00:08:13]So today we're going to share the topics of the lectures with you. I know that these are recent topics for many of you. We also received a question, girls, which is a question that people always bring up regarding the approach, okay? It is fine. It's a... it's a... it's going to have something talking about approach, my approach, I can act. So, I know that this still lingers in the minds of professionals, that is his approach.

[00:08:38]So, in general, we say that all the approaches in psychology that we're talking about here come into play, right? The approaches of mental health professionals, of psychology, and intercultural psychology— I really like this term, I use it a lot in the field of law—it's like a protection in clinical care, a safeguard for this specific target audience. So it completely changes the way you associate it with purely your approach, if I'm going to act.

[00:09:13]But what's going to happen here? You will create a sphere of protection, of clinical safety, of ethics, of understanding of how to attend to this potential client, this sphere of study. We also have professionals who have been brought to us who are in the clinical area, but who are also in the academic area, the area of ​​study; these are other issues. So, what are we going to do? We're going to put our website here, showcasing each of our speakers, in this format of speakers and researchers; these will be the speakers for the International Congress. So, as we mentioned yesterday, we had the great privilege, we have the great privilege of having B there lecturing with us. It will be in an online format, but to get him, if you think about it, we say that he is a big name in our approaches, he is a big name in intercultural psychology. So he's going to be there with an online lecture, and his goal is to bring professionals together, I believe, as it will be the first contact all of these professionals have with a major international researcher. So, we're talking about him in terms of his presence at extremely renowned international universities.

[00:10:28]So here it is, when we click here, we'll see the name of the lecture and Bry's entire resume in this format. And one of the characteristics, I remember Burry Trazer bringing it up in an interview, is that very often we want to bring up Bell as an international researcher, a big name in the field, but he says that, like all of us, Canada recognizes him, but should recognize all the work he does more, okay?

[00:11:01]So he is very well-regarded in intercultural discussions in other countries, and he's here, so why is he present at our event? Because he strongly believes in this expansion of knowledge, and his area of research involves diverse populations.

[00:11:15]So here's his resume, right? There's no need to even mention the resume. Anyone have just one question? Is there anyone here who didn't know Berry as a researcher or as a major scholar of intercultural psychology?

[00:11:33]Considering that psychology is an intercultural field, it's such a new field, isn't it? And we don't find that in Brazilian universities, so I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of them don't have hearing, right?

[00:11:47]So don't be surprised if you haven't heard of Bry, because although it's extremely widely used, many people use the theory, even teach it, and don't mention Bry's name. I myself had this experience in a course where people talked about the theory of acculturation but didn't say where they got it from, right?

[00:12:16]They only present it as the theory of acculturation, which is highly stylized in the field of migration, but fail to attribute who the author is. One thing we do with great responsibility in the field of psychotherapy abroad is to give credit where credit is due to whoever actually created it, whoever actually wrote it.

[00:12:38]So, all the authors we use and who developed, you know, the fields, we really give credit where credit is due, as we say, we talk about the theory and we mention who created it, who spoke about it, right? So this is a very important point for us to understand, not just the theory, but where it came from, because intercultural psychology teaches us to reflect on everything that comes to us, because interculturality only exists if I am able to reflect on cultures, if I am able to interact. And this applies to everything, including the field of knowledge. In order for me to interact, I need to have critical thinking skills. In order for me to think critically, I have to know not only the theory, but also who developed it, where it comes from, and how it is applied, right? And we always bring all these discussions here at PSI so we can develop ourselves, right? So Beli has this importance, this magnitude of importance, for having developed this theory. So it's important to bring this up, right? Even often, when I personally come across content about refugees or other migratory movements, his quotes are there. So, the professional, and why don't many of you know about this? I'll even throw out a thought- provoking question: in general, we undergo training, and of course, those in psychology read various theorists. This one is already part of our practice. But often we get too fixated on the person who is passing on the knowledge. So, for example, I have a professor who taught me how to teach about my approach. This professor's approach serves as a reference for me, but he's also drawing on knowledge from various other theorists. What we're doing is going straight to the source, so you probably already know us, but we're going to bring in the professionals we've studied, and that's referencing the research, the study. This is our ethical commitment to research, and it's very worthwhile to talk about it at a time when I know you are raising several flags regarding mental health and various issues that permeate this care. So, our role with you now is, the question I would ask myself, wait a minute, I started studying this area, there's an international congress in São Paulo, it will be the first in Brazil with this scope, with this speaker format.

[00:15:11]I'll wait to learn more, right?

[00:15:14]Actually, I don't believe there will be another moment like this with these characteristics. I'll wait and see, I'll be ahead of other professionals. Why? The more we talk about intercultural psychology, the more this demand will open up. But fewer professionals are prepared to take on the stages we're talking about, the speaking stage in this field. So, you're here with us today, and if they were to discuss interculturality and migratory movements at your prestigious university, you would be the name they would think of, given your background in that university and professional environment? The question is, why doesn't a professional sometimes attend a conference? The other day I did some research and I saw that there are professionals who have been around for over 2 years and have n't attended a single conference. Therefore, he is unable to return to the environments where he is and position himself as a professional with that expertise. And I'm not talking about researchers, okay?

[00:16:13]From a clinical professional standpoint, because Bur does something that we really like, which I talked about in class yesterday, which is to associate this research experience with the clinical practice of the professional. And there's nothing better than getting closer. Why do the three of us bring so much of this to you all?

[00:16:30]Because that's exactly what we achieved in our clinic, because we are considered success stories, because we focused on research but also incorporated clinical practice into our patient care, and we were able to make that journey through this process. So Bry comes up with this role. I wanted to take advantage of what you said here, to connect it with Alexandra, she put it this way: "Ah, hello, trying to understand the purpose of this request". I understand that her question is about understanding the needs of Brazilians living abroad, linking this to studies in intercultural psychology. And then we can explore that a little bit, because we 're looking specifically at the berry here.

[00:17:11]And yesterday our class was precisely about the process of acculturation, how personality factors influence it, and everything else, the movements of the acculturation of your Brazilian client abroad. So I wanted to ask you if, when a Brazilian arrives abroad with a need, for example, in their relationship with their partner, or in raising their children, what aspects of that need did you consider before even considering the knowledge from yesterday's lesson? Because I think it's important for us to just remember this theory we discussed yesterday, taking advantage of the fact that we're looking at Berry, because we're already making this connection for the professionals.

[00:18:01]So there are several layers, right, that we brought up yesterday that were so important for you to look at, for you to see, but basically you're going to have to look at the whole acculturation process of that client of yours and understand, for example, terms that we bring from intercultural psychology, which are concepts from intercultural psychology, such as migratory grief, the seven griefs that a person can experience, that a migrant can experience abroad, uh, the impact of that, right, on their acculturation process and how they go through this process of integrating into the new country or not, right, which we saw there are several movements. So, if you're still trying to understand this demand from your Brazilian client, or this Brazilian abroad, we can only truly understand that demand when we have the knowledge behind the concept and the theoretical experience, in a theoretical way, because practical experience is what your client is bringing to you. But when you don't understand what it means in theory, you ca n't communicate that to your client, and you can't even use your clinical reasoning; you won't see the needs. Yesterday Aaleia brought up a point where someone, you know, told us something like, " I'm assisting Brazilians abroad, but no, everything I'm seeing here from the theory doesn't seem to be connecting, right, Oda?" So, when we look at this aspect, when we consider the professional's statement, we know that the professional is not able to see the theory behind the demands.

[00:19:54]And that's where the danger lies, because without this basic theory you run risks, as we talked about yesterday, right? Several risks of pathologization and also of other processes that you don't identify, and your client, right, can't move forward in that process. And now Oda is going to talk about Silvia Dantas linking, right, Oda?

[00:20:19]Well, I jumped to Silvia Dantas, right, because you were talking and I was remembering the phrase, right, that we brought up, which is in the books, in the texts of Silvia Dantas, who is a pioneer in Brazil, just like Ber was a pioneer in Canada. Silvia Dantas is one of the pioneers in Brazil, a post-doctoral researcher, with research done in Boston, with very rich texts for those of us who want to understand this demand. If that's the kind of service you're looking for. And what Fran is saying is exactly what we read, uh, in Silvia Dantas's statement, when she says that, uh, let me get this, I told you, that when you see the pathologization of the immigrant, it happens because there is a lack of understanding of the migratory process.

[00:21:15]and when one has, or has, a prejudiced attitude towards migrants. So, when a therapist from abroad comes and brings to you, professionals in Brazil, a theory that is already widely disseminated and, in fact, required in companies and institutions, on a massive scale, and that people in Brazil are not even familiar with yet. It's because we're saying, "Look, there's a post-doctoral researcher at Unif telling you this, and you don't want to listen, do you? Why? Because, as Rai said at the beginning, many professionals, when working in the clinic, don't go to conferences, don't study research, and get lost along the way." And PS was born precisely from seeing professionals providing services online, making that connection through them, right? They are doing this, crossing borders without... without being geographically connected and without the understanding that they could be causing a lot of harm to their clients without understanding the migratory process, which is what Silvia Dantas brings to light. And that's why, because she's a pioneer, because of who she is, because she has all this knowledge, she will also be speaking at our meeting on this very current topic, which is about gender when talking about Brazilian families abroad. So, if you provide care to Brazilian families, or if the mother or child is abroad, if you're already doing that, she needs to already be on the PSAPIA program abroad. By the way, you need to understand what this is, because if you can't see the demand, like this professional I spoke to said, "I can't see it," it's because you don't know the theory, it's because you have n't studied the theory. And then you run the risk of falling into those two errors that Silvia Danta brings up in her studies, right?

[00:23:23]Either pathologizing due to a lack of knowledge of what happens in migratory processes, or having a prejudiced stance that can become biased. We always bring up the issue of bias because we are often unaware of what biases we have. And one thing that can happen a lot is that I only look at my own approach. And then I forget that there's a whole sociocultural and economic context, right, that immigration involves, which almost requires a differential diagnosis that many professionals study in their field, in this movement, which would be something like this: a person arrives who has been migrating for months, uh, can't sleep, uh, they lived in a region, think of it this way, they lived in São Paulo, an extremely hectic region, they move to a city in the United States, they'll say the United States is easier, right? in a more isolated region, in a more local region, with a profound silence.

[00:24:30]And there he experiences a feeling that the person who arrived wanted to support him, but he doesn't, and he comes to you talking about a profound isolation, he's very isolated in this movement, but then he has several pending decisions regarding his immigration life, he has several uncertainties, several questions. The biggest risk I could be taking here, right at the beginning of this migratory movement, is raising some flags without understanding the context of his life.

[00:25:01]Why is he doing this? Remember that process where it's not even time to talk about acculturation strategies in this context because we don't know what's behind his migratory movement? So I need to understand this. And since I don't understand this, these people clearly meet the criteria for some diagnoses. So I run the risk of bringing it up, but on the other hand, I have to know how to assess this in a very precise way, taking all these factors into account so that I don't leave him helpless in the field of mental health. Why? So, if things go wrong, if he's really isolated, unable to work, and a million other things like that, how am I supposed to know how to manage that situation clinically? And this happens every day around the world with many Brazilians abroad. I'm talking about a short-term migration process, but this will also happen in medium-term and long-term migration, depending on the stressful factors in the migrant's life. What can happen is that these are family characteristics.

[00:26:06]So, a person can indeed come with demands stemming from family contexts, issues related to raising children, launching children into life, with underlying demands that you can't address in what we call culturally sensitive listening. So, when she gives this talk about families, it's because she understands that families are in constant motion, but there are other issues as well. And it's also clear that this family changes through its interaction with other families.

[00:26:36]So, imagine a Brazilian family that behaved and interacted with other Brazilian families in the state of Goiás; everyone there was like that, right? I'll think about it that way. Then he makes a migratory move to a region that has no one and the sea, his wife starts working in a certain environment and begins to frequent and make friends with the mothers of the children at the school, for example, she begins to participate in order to integrate more into the environments. So, what's going to happen to this model?

[00:27:04]What will this woman see? You'll see American parents present in the environments.

[00:27:10]Her husband never had time to be in those environments. So this perception of the family system starts to change. So, as a professional, I have to understand the underlying meanings of these interpretations, you know? So, it's worth it. What is important? And she's already saying, " Let her, let this speaker talk." What is important? Yes, that's when professionals say things like, "I ca n't quite place this lens around you," because generally you fall into the trap of thinking, "What happened to me?" That's why I think Le already put it this way: "I know what happened to Raiane," and that's what it means to not put that lens on. Then I'm there guiding someone, and I can't put that lens on the movement. So, bringing it all together here, my lecture will talk precisely about these movements, which is the migratory limbo. So, what changes in this person's life in terms of identity, belonging, and permanence between migration and immigration? Many professionals sometimes think, "Wow, they live in the United States, they're a Brazilian abroad in a general sense, oh, they live in England, they're a Brazilian abroad?" No, it's not like that. Each person will have a different format of migratory movement. Each family member—it's very important to understand this, okay?—Brazilian families, when you break down their migratory movements, think, "Oh, but I have family in Brazil, I have a brother, I have an aunt, I have each person."

[00:28:36]That particular family, both nuclear and extended family, will have a different migratory movement. So, if you attend to a person from that family, you won't be able to understand all of their experiences if you don't have a listening ability that we call " migratory movements," a concept from intercultural psychology studies. And I'm going to talk precisely about that because each person can experience a different sense of belonging, because each person will have an individualistic migratory process. So, for example, the sense of belonging for a Brazilian couple is different for both the husband and the wife, do you understand this feeling? Because each will experience it in a different way.

[00:29:17]Will they both arrive with the same level of English? No, they won't arrive with the same level of English. Will they arrive with the same job opportunities?

[00:29:24]They won't arrive with the same job opportunities. Will they arrive at the same stage of life? Sometimes they wo n't arrive at the same stage of life. And this will change. And we will bring these concepts to light so that professionals can understand and have clinical confidence. Our objective is... Always make sure the professional feels safe entering the consultation, because there's nothing worse than setting out to do something, opening that computer or even arriving at your in-person clinic— we've had cases like that—and you're just wandering around, feeling your way around. And I once referred someone who said, "Oh, the psychiatrist keeps asking me about my life here." "He didn't consult me, he wanted to know about my life here." And it wasn't curiosity about her life in the sense of the symptoms she was presenting. He was asking how much things cost here, how much I paid for things, saying it was too cheap, that it was great to live here, you know? So, that's the kind of place we want to take professionals from.

[00:30:18]Oh, excellent. I put your picture there for that reason, because we need to show the speaker who will be there. So, look, uh, Raiane Araújo, daughter, who understands, and then you'll see the level of the lecture you'll hear about the psychological experience of migratory limbo. Who has heard of migratory limbo, say if you've studied it, if you've heard about it, and then you'll hear from her, okay? She's there and you've already had a taste of what she's going to give at this congress. So, uh, that's the level I'm talking about that we need.

[00:31:00]Uh, gigantic, really, she's a small giant who will be bringing you all this contextualization that, as she made very clear, we We need to avoid feeling our way around in the clinic, avoid being lost in the clinic, avoid doing... and this example you give, Ri, it's quite caricatured, I think, right? Because the person might think: "Oh, but I wouldn't do that." But how many times do we ask things that make people uncomfortable? Because the field of psychology also arose from countless clients coming to us saying: "Oh, I couldn't stand my psychologist anymore because she kept asking me things about my life that I couldn't explain anymore, you know?" Or she couldn't understand what I've been through here. Why? because I was unfamiliar with the migration process. So, it was from this need that we proved that the professional who was providing online services was not providing services with intercultural psychology, which is this understanding.

[00:32:03]So, another amazing talk is by Raiane Araújo, who speaks about this experience, okay?

[00:32:12]Look, Claudia is saying: "I heard about it yesterday, yes, because she revealed it, right, and she'll want to know more. So, look, at the meeting you'll hear firsthand from Rai giving all about the migratory limbo. And Fran and I will also be there. I'm going directly from Switzerland. I'll be talking about global mobility, about privilege, belonging, and also about precariousness, which people often don't understand. This term 'expatriate' originated from international HR, that there are some visas that grant this status in the sense of only having a temporary stay in that country, and that there aren't only privileged expatriates, and we're going to talk about that. I'm going to show you what the reality is of living as a Brazilian with a temporary visa.

[00:33:14]There are privileged people, but there are also those who are not privileged. And you 'll understand this so that when you hear someone who's wondering, ' What am I going to do with my life here because I have little time?', you do n't think they're not doing it for lack of will, but because there's a 'not-so-privileged' aspect there." A limbo is different from limbo, you'll understand the difference, because this person isn't in migratory limbo, but they don't have the possibility of developing because their time there is limited, right? I'm talking about privileged temporary workers, but we'll talk about another group of people who go and don't go and can also fall into limbo, as Rai will explain to you. So I'll be there bringing all this reality and talking about how we have to be attentive so that the new nomenclatures don't make a reality disappear that we need to understand exists and that we need to be prepared to receive in our clinic, okay? So that's what I'm going to talk about, a topic that Oda will bring up, which I know from behind the scenes, and the conversation here is like this, I really want to hear from you. Mari posted it on Instagram, okay? Uh, I worked at a company where most professionals wanted to work there because of the desire to be expatriates. And Odaleia will bring a reflection in her lecture, which Fran and I already know we were talking about. This is very much about the movement that's happening today. She's going to update you and theoretically show you how you need to be prepared to handle this.

[00:34:57]So, Mári, you're here, right? So you understand how your conversation should be, you have to take the lecture out of the law.

[00:35:05]And then it's already connected, I think this theme here is already connected to the issue of these professionals' careers. Because the expatriation movement is very connected to careers, and then Fran's topic comes up.

[00:35:17]Exactly. Then we'll talk to Franca.

[00:35:24]And in this lecture we're going to talk about careers, professional identity, and career reconstruction in the contemporary migratory scenario.

[00:35:35]And here we need to analyze who this Brazilian abroad is.

[00:35:41]So I'm going to bring up some aspects that will, obviously, be in line with my favorite theorists, Lei and Rayane, and identify these classifications and identify this career transition movement of this Brazilian abroad, because you need to locate them, right? So, basically, we're going to do this process in this lecture and we're also going to talk about the process of... Disskilling, right? Because this topic is being studied a lot today, because migrants are experiencing career loss, it comes precisely because of disskilling, often because this disskilling is connected to the country's structures, right? And we need to understand these structures when we're assisting Brazilians abroad. So we're going to explore these aspects as well, which is this underutilization of migrant work. So, we're going to look at some different layers, socioeconomic ones too, identifying the career transition process and the reconfiguration of professional identity, because the identity of this migrant person, the professional identity of this migrant person will undergo several transformations, okay? Inevitably.

[00:37:10]No, Fran, there's no such thing as them going to the same job, they're doing the same functions they did in Brazil, they're just being transferred to a different environment, OK? It will bring about a gigantic transformation in that person's professional identity.

[00:37:26]Migrant and expatriate migrant, okay?

[00:37:28]So, we're going to do this by focusing on the career transitions of Brazilians abroad and the career baggage, what each person carries with them to make a successful career move, which we call healthy, right? Uh, emotionally healthier for that individual. So, we're going to work on these points in this lecture. And I already know that all the lectures are incredible, the ones by the women are unmissable, just having them here, right, Silvia Dantas, Berry, all these lectures here, now we're going to explore other speakers with you as well, because it doesn't end here. We still have more speakers to explore here, incredible professionals. One of them is Alessandra Rocha, okay? So, if you work with people, with women, or with couples, right, who are, uh, atypical parents, uh, here she's going to talk about atypical motherhood, but you who work with couples, you know that this content is extremely important, whether you work with with parents or with the father who has, you know, in his family, in his family, uh, an atypical child. So we're going to talk about that, about her, we're going to talk about that, about Black people, her theme which is so important to bring up, right? The importance of her theme is this: " Professionals often ask us if they can treat children abroad," okay?

[00:39:01]Many people ask us if they can treat children or adolescents abroad. There are several, again, layers that exist here, and the professional who sometimes... there are many professionals, people, sometimes you feel like that in life, okay? It even gives me a feeling in Minas Gerais, we say "gastura," even a feeling of unease, because you all keep thinking, " Oh, so you can't treat children."

[00:39:22]Let's go, let's go to the situation. I left Brazil with my one-year-old son, I migrated to Canada. Arriving in Canada, he starts the school system, and then several issues of that environment begin to arise. Or I'll put it at a slightly older age, 3 years old. He entered precisely at the time when it's possible to place him there in... The transition process to a preschool, for example.

[00:39:46]And then the school starts bringing me some demands for the parents. The parents are in the adaptation process and then, you know, the child is already referred for some kind of diagnosis. These parents are completely helpless outside. They are still learning how the system works. They still don't have any safety references in the health area. They need to connect, because I speak from my personal experience, with safety professionals to talk and better understand what's happening. So, when Alessandra brings her research, it's about the pain these mothers have abroad. You need to understand this, because it will happen, and it has happened very frequently, that families seek out professionals and they don't even know who to refer them to, because it's not their area of ​​expertise, it's not their area, or there is a professional—I know there's a professional who has taken this area and is even applying it to migratory movements within Brazil, which is also of wonderful importance, you know?—which is understanding how to reach another The environment, understanding how this system works, what possibilities I have. So, it's about going out, expanding, having a vision. Oh, but I work with men, I'll think, Carlos is here, I work with men, but it's the father who's there, silenced, unable to understand, usually the mother is leading. So, there are several realities that I have to consider, that can happen and come into my care. So this lecture aims to address this sphere of studies and the pains of these mothers in this migratory context.

[00:41:21]And we have SU, who also comes from Switzerland.

[00:41:25]Sueli Broadbeck is also in Switzerland. And another super current topic is menopause, right?

[00:41:32]Women in transition and perimenopause in intercultural clinical practice. Many professionals understand the effect, right, of what the woman is going through at that moment, how to differentiate between symptoms of menopause or perimenopause and a psychological disorder, but they don't know how this woman will be treated, how she will experience this while abroad. And that's what SU, Sueli Broadbeck, as we affectionately call her, talks about. From SU, she'll be speaking. She's a specialist in women's health and well-being here in Switzerland and works with this here in Switzerland, and she'll be bringing up the reality of Brazilian women in this field. What do they experience? Well, they live in this reality, right, of going through this within the health system, because one thing we bring a lot within our ecosystem, through this exchange with other professionals, is to bring your understanding of how health systems work, because there's no way I can refer my clients or understand why my client doesn't have certain access, or she says she does, but can't find a solution to her problem, without blaming her or thinking that it 's her problem. If I don't know, if I don't understand what happens there, if I'm with what? With the vision of the only health system I know, which is Brazil's, right? And if I'm biased, what bias can I have? Wow, but Switzerland is perfect, isn't it? How can she be finding difficulties at this moment in life? Her. And then we'll be talking about that, you know what's great about her career, which I think is very important because professionals sometimes don't have it, she managed to create a network of knowledge in several countries of reference for this woman. And that's the big difference, because sometimes you might think, she 's a professional, right, in what area is she in that country, her certification is the network of referrals from professionals. But in my conception of a career in Brazil, I'm very limited in this procedure. But if I were to look for, she's, for example, in Switzerland, my client is in Australia, who is the professional I'm going to look for to talk to? The one who will understand how this network works in terms of access. And then I can refer, I, Raiane, I could refer 100% to a process that I know in healthcare in Brazil. I'll think about it, right? I'll refer to a healthcare access process in Brazil. People, there are services that don't even do that, okay? I'll go in and out of the service without having any Answer: So, SUI will explain how access to this situation works, you know, menopause, how these women will access care, what path they need to take, and you, as a professional, need to have contact with professionals like that. So it's a very important bridge in what we call the mental health pyramid.

[00:44:51]Your point is excellent, Rai, because remembering that the meeting isn't just about what we're going to learn, but also the incredible people we'll be able to meet, right? Imagine the contact with a professional like SUI, coming from Switzerland with all those contacts she has, being able to treat her client, understanding how to treat her client with all those connections, really, it's about remembering the connections that will be made in this meeting. And then we bring in Dr. Maria Rita de Sales Réges, caring for those who care across cultures.

[00:45:25]She'll be talking to us about how we, who provide online care, can take care of ourselves, what kind of care we can and should have in this work.

[00:45:44]So, with all the experience she has, including teaching in Florida, students there, and all her years of experience, right? Look here. That's right. She 'll be there giving an incredible, very lively lecture, just like her, to bring an understanding of the care we need to take with our own care, our own self- care as well. Regarding parental guidance, we have Alessandra talking about mothers with atypical children, okay?

[00:46:26]We'll also have Mariana, Mariana Puridade, who is Mariana Marques da Silva, who has a master's degree and is currently at USP, if I'm not mistaken, at the Federal University of Bahia, but she's now in São Paulo, if I'm not mistaken. Oops, my head just froze. Sorry, I'm going through menopause, okay? It's my therapist, because I'm the one having this tic-tac-toe effect here. But why is my head glitching?

[00:47:06]Because when Mariana comes to my... Heads up, yes, international experience comes to mind.

[00:47:11]She's a super specialist. I don't even care where she is, because this woman is an expert in international students. She simply built, manages, develops, and expands a network to support international students within the university. So you should think about it this way: who are international students? They are people who go through a temporary immigration process, and there is indeed a whole area of study development so that we can prepare these people, take care of them when they arrive, when they return.

[00:47:50]And it is indeed a field of care, and the demands and the content in listening are different. So we also have to pay attention, whether you work in a clinic or within an institution like a university that receives international students. So, if you've never stopped to think that the student you work with or know came from another place, even if it's within Brazil, and what challenges they face in this international academic experience, you'll learn from Mariana, okay?

[00:48:32]We also have Lara Domen, who will be talking about adults who grew up between cultures, cross-cultural experiences.

[00:48:42]Or a typical case. The difficult journey of someone who lived between worlds. Lara is a psychologist proficient in CBT, who has done extensive work studying the theory of cross-cultural children and young adults, adapted, right, and based on cognitive behavioral therapy, and she will be lecturing on this super new, super important topic. You can't deny it, Lara lived this reality, in fact she discovered it, right, this trajectory of hers within psychotherapy abroad and already with all the experience she had in the field of CBT, she made this connection which is the most incredible thing, when professionals manage to really get out of the bubble of their theory and manage to see that it is possible to listen to their client in their approach, but bringing the lens of intercultural psychology and how this enriches their care and brings a differential. And that's what Lara did. She will be lecturing on this topic.

[00:49:55]Mari is at UNIFESP, right? I knew she was in São Paulo. Thank you.

[00:50:00]I had a mental blank, but I knew it was in São Paulo, I was just missing the university. And we will have Gilda Alfradique from England.

[00:50:11]Gilda is a registered psychologist in England and will be speaking about hybrid identity and belonging, challenges and potential in the migratory experience.

[00:50:22]So, this specialist in belonging will be talking about this very important and rich topic. Many professionals have difficulty understanding the differences in diagnoses and this lack of belonging, this void that multiple cultural identities, right, dual identities, bring to Brazilians living abroad, and the fact that we don't understand this field causes so much confusion when I'm listening to my clients. So, Gilda will be bringing up this very rich topic. Wow, everyone here is loving it. I can see it all. Look at Mari, Mari is always contributing. She married a Brazilian. Yes. You'll have a lot of conversation at this meeting, Mari.

[00:51:14]And we also have Dr. Carol Garla, who is in Brazil. Dr. Carol Garla will be giving a lecture on women's mental health in the context of international academic careers, also talking about living, right, Studying abroad, but with the intersectionality of being, you know, women studying abroad. And how does that impact us, what is that experience like? Have you ever stopped to think about a woman who goes alone to pursue a doctorate, a post-doc? How does she experience that? What are the challenges? What should we pay attention to, right? Look more clearly, more specifically in this field? She will be there, yes, bringing this very rich contribution to us.

[00:52:08]And we have Májer and Pimentel coming from the United States to give an incredible, super current lecture on microaggressions in the daily lives of Brazilian migrants and their impacts on mental health from a clinical and intercultural perspective.

[00:52:28]Májer, who is always present at our meetings, almost our ambassador because she's always at the competition, will be lecturing on this topic.

[00:52:42]Who has heard of microaggressions?

[00:52:46]You will learn more in this meeting with Májer and Pimentel and from this experience of microaggressions that we... You see it every day.

[00:52:58]It happens out there, right, Magore? But in life abroad, how does that happen in intercultural clinical practice?

[00:53:05]So, you'll definitely only hear about it at IPI. This topic is very interesting, Adriana, you can't miss it, okay? So here we close the cycle of lectures, remembering that, okay, let's remember, we have almost zero VIP spots left, so we have an experience. So let's talk about the experiences of what will happen during these three days of our international meeting and congress. There will be three days of VIP experience with the launch of our second book at the Immigration Museum. So we have the museum closed, a space for all of us inside. I want to know who is VIP, okay? And this VIP experience is because they will have this possibility and they will be there on the second two days with a lunch with us, it will be a closed group, it's a wonderful experience for professionals who will have the possibility of doing all this, of meeting these researchers, right, having contact with professionals from around the world. And then we have the in-person experience, which will be... The lecture days. So, that's the day Silvia Dantas, Bry, and all of us will be there, all the speakers have already been announced.

[00:54:22]There are two days of lectures, okay? But Raiane, I can't go, right? I'm like, look. I really want to be there. We have an online format. What we say is, whoever is in São Paulo has no excuse, they have to go. Raiane, but I want to bring a family member. I'll be there. A family member has to, I know someone else, I want to bring a friend that you can now access on our official website. You're going to register, because we have a member of our team, and this is very rare to happen in congress events, because they will understand the format of the experience and what possibilities you have, they will contact you and explain. So, by registering there, you will automatically receive a message from our team. So participate in our conference. I'm coming here and then I'll contribute. But I 'm someone who's already researching in this area, and I really liked it. I have a study group here at my university, in my clinical area, and we already talk about this. I realized, there was a professional here yesterday who said something like that, and I've worked in that area before, you connect a lot with what I do, I can submit a paper to present, because it's important for my career, Fran, right, we're talking about academic careers. And then, thinking about Dr. Carol's lecture, this academic side, I need an academic stance, and the clinical area is demanding this clinical stance. So, we will also have poster submissions, so you will have three categories of submissions. So, you can delve into various areas, including mental health, interculturality, and focus. So we're going to focus on the thematic areas of migration, which include migration and immigration movements, expatriation, and international careers. Ah, but I can't connect my clinical area.

[00:56:09]Pay attention to your clinical area, check what's happening there.

[00:56:13]Sometimes you hear people talking all the time, and it even reminded me of that situation, right?

[00:56:17]I was working, so this is already research for me, okay? If I worked at a company where a large portion of the employees wanted to overcome migratory movements, and I was a professional there, of course I was going to look at that, try to build something that was happening, that culture within that organization, and understand what stereotypes were behind it, what was being promoted there. So this is a lot of valuable content; I would already be thinking about conducting something along those lines. So it is this academic construction that we also favor. So, we encourage Brazilian professionals to bring their clinical and academic areas of expertise to our international meeting, and we encourage academic professionals to be there. Our goal is always to bring together the clinical and academic spheres to enhance care in terms of safety and professional ethics.

[00:57:11]That is our main goal.

[00:57:15]Excellent. So, I'm just showing you here, this is the part where you'll make your submission, send your abstract with your name, title, first name, last name, title of your work, if you have an institution, upload your abstract here, the day, month, year and time you're submitting it, because there's a deadline, right? This will be recorded, but we want you to put it here so we know you're aware that you're sending it on time. And here you click to submit your work, okay? And the acceptance notification will be on July 14th. So hurry up and submit your work. Don't miss this opportunity and don't miss the chance to participate in this great event with these incredible lectures. And it's not just lectures. Rai spoke, and it's for those who are VIP.

[00:58:11]Congratulations to those who managed to get VIP status, because the museum truly is an incredible place. Anyone who goes, anyone who has the opportunity to live the dream, to go to an event, you know, inside the Immigration Museum, should hold onto their hearts with emotion, because it really is incredible. But it's not just the museum. You, as a VIP, will also have exclusive moments on the 15th and 16th. You'll even have lunch with us, with the VIP guests, in a very special exchange at that moment. So, that's going to be amazing too. And on the 15th or 16th, we're going to have all these lectures plus the posts happening there. So it will be a time of great exchange and, as I said, an opportunity to make connections with professionals from all over the world. And you know what 's the best part of our meeting?

[00:59:14]People still haven't grasped the fact that the biggest obstacle for Brazilians attending international conferences is... do you know what it is? How do I go to a meeting where there are researchers from various places who bring the perspective of psychology from other countries? What is the biggest challenge?

[00:59:37]It's the language. Because most of us don't have a good command of English to connect with professionals who work in Switzerland, the United States, and Canada. But then comes my countryman who speaks Portuguese, but he knows the area, he works in Switzerland, in Canada, in the United States. He's coming to Brazil to show me this reality. That's right, Sheila! Thanks. And then you have the opportunity to go to an international conference with people coming from all over the world so you can learn about the perspective of serving Brazilians abroad. That's amazing. Incredible. It's the only conference that gives you this, because there are conferences that have people from abroad, like we're bringing Bry, and then there's translation, there's that too. We're used to that in Brazil, aren't we? This happens a lot, but it's great that Brazilian professionals working abroad bring you content on what it's like to provide services overseas, how we serve Brazilians abroad, online, etc., etc., what the context is like for these people who come from overseas.

[01:00:46]You can only find this at IPI, okay? And so I wanted you all to understand the importance of this. Do you know why?

[01:00:54]Because Fran started this live stream by saying that we didn't build a course, we didn't build a company, we built a movement. And it's also very important that we end this live stream by saying this. First of all, apart from the pioneers of intercultural psychology, whom we have always respected, named, and made very clear to our students, it was they who gave us the opportunity to bring this knowledge to them. We also bring in professionals who have learned how to do therapy abroad.

[01:01:32]So, it's very important for you to see that this is truly a community of professionals working collaboratively and cooperatively to promote the mental health of Brazilians living abroad. So you're going to learn about a phenomenon that is very rare in psychology, which is professionals committed to uniting in search of a model for providing care to Brazilians abroad that is ethical, responsible, and transnationally and internationally connected, because they understand, through their experience and clinical practice, the real need for it. So we're bringing this opportunity to you, both within Brazil and online, okay?

[01:02:24]That opportunity also exists. So we hope you enjoy it a lot.

[01:02:30]And it's very disruptive for us to be here, okay?

[01:02:34]It's so much that when we're here, people bring up issues that shouldn't even be brought up because they're so disruptive, okay? It's online that people confuse the different spaces. We're talking about Congress, you understand? So, it's very important for professionals to understand that when the speakers themselves are here, we're already breaking a pattern that isn't common for you.

[01:02:53]We often become inaccessible, and this isn't a defining characteristic of our lives. You have no contact, people aren't available on YouTube, they aren't available on Instagram. That's not the stance we take. But the fact that we are present confuses the roles that people think we occupy. So it's very important to realign, because the fact that we're here is about bringing clinical professionals and academic professionals closer together, making you feel that you too can be part of it, because many times we can't be, the doors have been closed to us in that regard. So anything that is very new creates spatial confusion. And this is the movement that we are going to build. We will not give up, we will continue here, we will realign whenever possible. And these spaces will continue to be built to bring together professionals from diverse fields. So that's our academic role, academically speaking, with publications in books, journals, and participation in conferences. What is unusual for you is that these professionals would be live every other day, making themselves accessible, talking about studies, and offering this opportunity for academic interaction. But I also need to know what to ask these professionals. This is very important, folks, because it's about your standing in any environment; otherwise, you'll close doors on your own careers. This is a very valid point, and we will always realign ourselves because we no longer want mental health professionals to be stereotyped in the environments they occupy. How many times have I opened up in a room, opened up a group discussion, and said things I didn't need to say until I learned to stay quiet? I don't need to flash my credentials, I don't need to say that I'm a doctor. This isn't the place to say I'm a doctor, Ana. This is how we learn to navigate the transition between the digital environment and the clinical and academic environments. And have a good week, especially since the doctor's chair isn't even getting through to school. Have you seen how many female doctors there are here at this congress, at this psychotherapy conference abroad, my friend? You'd better find another way to show your credentials here.

[01:05:02]Hey, man, Dr. Carol Gala is here to speak, right? Oh, thank you so much, everyone.

[01:05:09]Yeah, that's it. Have a great week everyone, and if you have any questions, contact the Psychology Abroad support team. They 're always available to help you, okay? With your mentors, make productive use of their minds, OK? Big hug! Until the next live stream.