Sunday Special Talk - Beyond Spiritual Liberation: What Next? | Swami Ishatmananda

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[00:00:00]weekend. So obviously people are enjoying different places visiting but ours is the same. We will be continuing but today's topic will be very interesting beyond spiritual liberation.

[00:00:18]What next?

[00:00:20]So this we will start with Bhagavan Sramak Krishna's pranam mantra.

[00:00:54]Nanjanam there's a very unique way very special way it has been described about Bhagavan Si Ramak Krishna the one who is not having any blemish need on janam and He is eternal anam.

[00:01:14]He is in infinite form and that all pervasive para Brahma he is taking the form big brahra means the form why bhaktan the being compassionate for the devotees he is taking the human form and this supreme being to you oh rama krishna I bow down So the topic which is beyond spiritual liberation what so we we can remember the one incident that happened with Bhagav Shwami Bananda he was a young man and he was a narin that time and he was he used to love meditation.

[00:02:07]So one day Bhagavan Sri Ramak Krishna asked him so what do you want? He said I like to go into deep meditation and sometimes maybe I will come up and eat something to maintain my body but otherwise I like to be always remain in that meditative mood instead of praising him. Meditation is so difficult with the we withdrawing the mind from the sense objects one is going down to that ultimate. So this is so difficult and when his disciple was enjoying that and he was capable of that even then Bhagavan Sramak Krishna his guru he told no you should not do that I expected that you should be like a big banyan tree under which so many people will come and take rest so beyond the meditation beyond the s Samadhi there is something so that is the unique thing what is that we will be discussing slowly and through point by point so that we can learn. So this the emancipation instead of appreciation he had received a scolding from his guru and who said do not be selfish rather be an emancipators.

[00:03:38]This emancipator those who can give the liberation to others that means they will should also have the power so that they can give the emancipation.

[00:03:51]Shami Bbecanda did realize the supreme Brahman and also became a great emancipator of humanity. We all know that.

[00:04:02]Now we the first thing the beyond spiritual liberation what the what is God realization when we when you think about the realization when you think about the going beyond what is that beyond actually the human life we know there are so many objects are there so many our goals are there we like to finish our goal complete our goal and here we mind that is the it says and that we are going beyond the supreme that means the liberation there are two ways one particularly in of course in Hinduism also it is there the duality in the duality they say the god realization and in the non-duality always they say the mti the liberation this is the two differences What is the liberation going beyond all desires and what happens then? So obviously people they always ask these questions the liberation the Buddhism jinism Hinduism they always talk about the liberation for them the heaven is as a a little or may lower object to achieve a lower goal to achieve.

[00:05:31]So heaven even not why because heaven is a place where people can enjoy and Indian life the enjoyment was enough food enough everything. So they never thought of heaven in that way. Heaven of course those who are doing the good work they will go to heaven they will have the divine enjoyment but that was not the goal. Goal was to become liberated.

[00:06:00]where from the bondage of birth and death when the circle of birth and death goes it likes to go beyond that so that was the ultimate goal that's called liberation and very interestingly all the three religions that developed on Indian peninsula in India particularly and that is the Hinduism then from Hinduism Buddhism and joinism they all talk about liberation all the mti and now mti also are three different what are the three different mtis they say three different way you can get one is chromoki gradually will get the liberation now today I'm a good person I'm not telling lies I'm not hurting others disturbing others so I acquire some good merits and by that Not in this life, next life, next life, next life. But in one life I get complete liberation. That is called chroma. Slowly slowly it goes the gradually they get the liberation.

[00:07:14]Another is and what is the mukti? B theya they means the body be when it has gone that means after death they get the liberation they do wonderful work spiritual work and they get lot of merits but their karmopala the previous karmapala that binds them so they are not liberated in this life itself so they after the death they are liberated As long as the body is there, you have to have uh the either good or bad whatever the karma that we have done in the previous life that will come. Karma also the three and the first is the past karma that is coming with me and second is that is already opened and I am activated and third which I'm earning now. So there are again three three boxes the good karma that I am doing and how we do the good karma or work I do in three different ways. So all the time the three comes. So what are the three ka bachika manasa the physically I do some good work or bad work and mentally also do the same. I am thinking in a bad way. uh hurting others or criticizing others. And then sec third is the bachika through the words that is also very either good or bad karma. Sometimes you are appreciating others, encouraging others is a good karma and then denouncing others that is also the karma but bad karma. By this way three types of karma and three different type of followers are coming good or bad. Then it goes to our different bags and one bag we carry and another bag is already open and third bag we are collecting. These are the three.

[00:09:29]Now the chromti it depends on according to our karma how much good work we have done and accordingly it goes. And then bid mukti also depends on that the most difficult thing is jibam mukti when I we I am leaving I get liberated.

[00:09:49]That is a very interesting condition.

[00:09:51]Jiban mukti and shankarachara he says that should be the goal of human life.

[00:10:05]that we have we are born only to get that joy often eternal life some life I will get liberation that is not the good position so you may you may not get the liberation the suffering is eternal so to go beyond the suffering it is better that You should try now. And what is the suffering? Sometimes some people don't understand the suffering also.

[00:10:40]When they are on on the street there is nothing. Even then they are cheating others or snatching from other people and even then they are doing different type of bad work and going on collecting and filling up their bad karma that box.

[00:11:00]So obviously one has to be alert that alertness that is the first thing in human life. Majority almost 99% they are religious minded people but for religion there is a god and I pray to god god will protect me that much.

[00:11:24]But what is god? Where from have I come?

[00:11:29]Can I go back to that source?

[00:11:32]This type of thought is very very rare.

[00:11:35]Even in the philosophies if we see majority of them they don't think about it. So they give some moral things ten commandments and the in the in the Buddhism the Buddha also the the great eight the paths that he suggest that's all morality.

[00:11:57]But what happens if you follow the moralities, practice morality, then your mind will be purified. So that is the first step.

[00:12:09]If you follow the morality, then only your mind will be purified. Once your mind is purified, then your intellect will be purified. You will understand what is good and what is bad.

[00:12:24]What is actually hurting you, binding you and what not? We don't understand even that that's why we suffer. So for this is the way the liberation from what that question comes. The majority of the people those who are regularly following the bed classes they understand the liberation from our desire.

[00:12:49]Who is binding us? Not other people but myself because of my desires.

[00:12:57]Varieties of desires. Some are very good desires, some are very dangerous desires. But desires are there and that binds us. Binds us where? In this life.

[00:13:10]And in this life what we do?

[00:13:13]We always try to do always try to achieve our fulfill our desires. And when we try to fulfill our desires, the actions that we do, three actions physical, mental and words. These three actions also either good or bad.

[00:13:36]And then we go on generating different type of results.

[00:13:41]Hindu believe that sometimes because of the bad thoughts, bad actions, bad karmapala, we become animals, we go back to the animal lives or the birds or reptiles lives also.

[00:13:55]Buddhist also they believe ancient Christians they used to believe. Then afterwards they changed it. So this the karma otherwise you cannot explain why some people are suffering right from their birth and why other people right from their birth they are enjoying is accident nothing can be accident there must be some cause and effect majority of the people nowadays they know about the basic science if there is not cause there is no effect the cause must be there and what What is the cause? The cause is this karma. That's why nowadays in the modern society, the scientific society, the westerners, they are also talking about the karma.

[00:14:45]How we can liberate ourselves with the grace of God? Of course, but only with the grace of God. No, you have to strive also. You have to try. Otherwise, only God cannot do.

[00:14:58]There's a beautiful story that one person he was a poor and he was going on praying to the Lakshmi ma you are you can give some money to me and so please give me please give me the Lakshmi was sitting with the narayana and she told why not give some money to him nana told see his karmafala will never allow to accept that money you try give go and give So he was coming and he was going on begging and praying to god as his regular duty routine. Then the ma lakshmi went and kept a bundle of jewelries and money on the way he was coming. Now when he came almost close to that bundle suddenly he thought suppose I become blind then how I will walk on this street let me practice so that time he closed his eyes and practiced how a blind man will go and pass that bundle he didn't notice that then the narana said that is his karmafala even if you try to give he won't take it the karmafala is so strong you give the good advices you won't listen it is this karma it is force him to take so we may say oh we don't believe that is up to you but when you see our life look at our life and you will understand if you analyze your own life you will understand how things are happening so this liberation from what and in shankari In his famous book, he asks this question uh through the ma the mouth of a the one disciple is asking.

[00:16:54]He asks seven questions in Sanskrit.

[00:17:01]Oh Lord, oh master, oh teacher, what is this bondage?

[00:17:11]And then go on seven. What is this bondage? Where from it comes and how I can overcome this? These are the famous questions.

[00:17:22]And then Shankarachara says that is the bondage.

[00:17:32]Now vanta is very clear these things that are not conscious.

[00:17:43]We consider them as conscious and love that and get attached to that. That is the bondage. Now atma and anatma conscious unconscious.

[00:17:57]This is the very clear instruction. Now you have to understand what is conscious what is not conscious. What is conscious?

[00:18:07]The the trees are conscious. Everything is conscious. Human beings are conscious. Everything is conscious. Does it really? Then why after death we burn the body? Oh, then body is not conscious. So now you are now slowly slowly understanding the when we are dead the same feature the tree the human being the animal when they are dead that particular body consider as unconscious.

[00:18:41]We either burn or bury bury them and naturally these are not the conscious thing. Well, if body is not conscious, what is conscious? Mind.

[00:18:56]No, mind is also sometimes doesn't work.

[00:19:00]Consciousness is 24 hours all through every moment it will be conscious. But this time it is not conscious. Sometime it will be conscious. It is not like that.

[00:19:10]So you have to judge the mind. Sometimes it is not also conscious in that way.

[00:19:18]Sometimes dreamless sleep mind is absent. Sometimes you go to coma mind is absent like this. So sometimes because of the medication mind is not. So now mind also is not conscious. The body is not conscious. Mind is not conscious.

[00:19:35]And what is that consciousness?

[00:19:37]Atma buddhi atma prasadam prasada prasada means that secret the secret the food that prasad means here the prasada means happiness how it is possible because I know I am the consciousness now it says you have to be very careful about this now second question is where from it came On this question it says the another type of person was there or power was there that has created the problem mostly they say is a devil or it is the shaitan is it is they they created this problem but Hinduism particularly bad is very clear and it says no the this came from as lord God only the same and it says that ahan shaky are the maya of the supreme being.

[00:20:47]Ahana shaky or the maya shaky and how these things created is a power of course is the shy and in this shy sometimes good sometimes bad and when the creation comes how it creates a maya what is this maya shaky it is having two power whose power god's power same god he is creating But again what he is doing it he is covering that actual thing he's covering abarana and then in superimposing something else on that big shape in Sanskrit they say abana and big shapa this aarana and big shapa are the power of that maya or aana shaky or aana shaky different shy means the power and why he does why he's covering the actual and then superimposing something else on that then Bhagavan Sramak Krishna said Maya is just divine play this leela sometimes the dwell the dwellist they will say leela this is the god's divine play god himself is creating this and himself is playing in it except that nothing is there. But that realization is the ultimate.

[00:22:20]Very difficult even to understand intellectually that everything is that the hero is also the same supreme being and the villain is also the same supreme being. Then why just happiness the joy.

[00:22:39]So this is the ultimate knowledge. Here we in between our minds are covered with that power maya what is the covering original actual we can't see in the daily life we can see that some people are very good people but we don't understand them because they are not very expressive they may be good people but not expressive and We try to accept those those who are expressive. They come, they talk and they laugh. They all with you and you think, "Oh, they're so good people." And you make the mistake. And these people, they come, they will almost cover your mind with their spell, their with their words and with their behavior.

[00:23:34]And then ultimately you will be looted and you will understand. Then afterwards and then you have lost everything that happens then you know when we are in advita some brahmacharians then suddenly one day the morning immediately after the breakfast it was 7:00 something like that morning uh it was in Kolkata and the bill rang rang so we ran down so one person came the blood stained the clothes and all that there is an accident and we don't have money Can you please give us some money? Now immediately we forgot of all these houses accident happened in the main road and from the main road he has traveled almost say five 500 uh meter to reach our astrama. So many houses are there instead of those houses why he has come to the ashama and instead of calling police why he is asking money from us and the way he said and so anxiety he's crying loudly give us some money we forgot everything and whatever money we were having we gave and we thought oh we have helped a person then afterwards in the next next day another person came and told swami These people are cheating us. One person came in the morning and he took 500 rupees from me. Nothing 500 rupees from you. We have also given some 500 like that like that in the whole area whole locality one person that same morning he collected almost 2,000 3,000 like that.

[00:25:18]Each and every one of us we were intelligent we were all right but even then he came and the way he expressed each and every one of us were mesmerized this is called shy the maya shaky and covering that so this way the lord is also covering the truth and what is the truth consciousness consciousness is there but it is covered and we see only what we want to see. By that way slowly slowly we make all these things as we want to see. And what is this covering the original actual what is that very difficult because this is only the self experience but even then those who have realized they have given they have tried to give us some idea what is that a condom something which is partless there is no art nitam it is eternal nondual spurum it is shining or constantly leaving endless power constantly expanding that is atman again in our that is the goal in the bibbe chami adishankarachara he is giving us the idea of the actual consciousness and what is that? Aandom.

[00:26:59]First and foremost, aum. It has not two.

[00:27:03]It is only one. A condom means division.

[00:27:07]There is no division. Only one who is a guru who teaches this akand the moment we say the god is only this much only Krishna only Kali only Rama only Jesus only Buddha is wrong. The God is not that. God is that and beyond. God is everything. So that aandum then it is eternal nity friends that is our goal. What is our goal? MTI and what is the mi understanding the truth and what is the truth? Aandom and then nityam eternal then nondual it is not two it is only one.

[00:28:12]There sometimes we say that you don't belong to the god is very wrong thing whether they belong or not but you don't because you are making a duality no it cannot be it is ada is nondual it is not two it is all one and shining and that is the knowledge constantly isam anhabam constantly expanding you cannot Say this is God.

[00:28:45]There sometimes people say God is this, God eat this, God wear this type of dress. Wrong because you are limiting God in that way. No, that is not. So anantam and that is atman. Now let us go through question answer so that it'll be easy for us to understand the the whole process.

[00:29:14]Has the endless one can be covered?

[00:29:19]Now you said that this is covered the endless one.

[00:29:26]You said ananta how it can be covered?

[00:29:30]Who can cover it? Goddess Kali is not wearing any clothes.

[00:29:37]Why? Only to give this idea. The mother Kali, she is all pervasive.

[00:29:44]That is why beyond that or bigger than that is nothing. So how to cover her? These are the conceptions the Hindu they try to give. So that how it is covered if it is everywhere. Obviously we can see it.

[00:30:03]Then say the answer they give the patch of cloud cover the sun isn't it? The patch of cloud covering the sun small patch nothing sun is such a big even then it is covered.

[00:30:23]Similarly this may shaky covers your eyes and you see this you see that you don't see because it is covered it is only you that is called how the endless one is covered because it is covered your eyes now from where the clouds come to cover the sun again it comes because the sun is evaporating the water and the water that evaporated water is becoming the cloud and that is covering the sun. So where from the mayashaki came from the same supreme god and it says in this way what is the goal of human life mti or emancipation why all are not liberated because of the bondage. Now if we go through this it will be very easy for us. Our goal liberation then what is that we are not getting liberation because of the bondage. And what is this bondage? Considering the ja unconscious as conscious this house this world this and everything that we see are nothing but cha only.

[00:31:49]But people they think that these are mine I should not leave it. So look at our life all the time we are thinking and we are thinking that this is the only way we will survive. People are going on collecting money and money and money and money they do not know what they're going to do.

[00:32:08]So much of money what they will going and sometimes they will go for the golf club they will play sometimes and they will be tired then they will they will sit on a card and come is that for the money but they will go on earning and earning they cannot stop it.

[00:32:26]This is the first problem. We consider we think we must achieve it and then we become intoxicated into that and the more we we are into that we are more bound and there will be no other way.

[00:32:41]This is bondage and what is this bondage? Understanding the non unconscious as conscious.

[00:32:50]Why people do that? Prahab influence of the maya. How maya works? First is covered the original and second superimpose the another.

[00:33:05]What is the original consciousness? What the Maya has done? It has covered the consciousness and superimpose unconscious on that and that is why that we are blind. This is called leela through the how one can overcome then it says manana this is a very primary level of vanta before practices if we learn this liberation then the bondages bondages because of the ignorance and ignorance can be overcome by the advice of the guru the One who has already realized and what he will say you are that consciousness I hear that then manana I meditate on that nidashana I become that.

[00:34:08]Now this is a very tricky the very the intelligent way you have to proceed.

[00:34:17]I am God. How that is possible? I am conscious. I am Brahman. How that is possible?

[00:34:25]So obviously when ordinary people they listen to this and that is why ada vanta is not for all. One should not even listen to it because they may misunderstand it and they may misuse it.

[00:34:41]If you start thinking that I am that supreme Brahman then you'll think I can do anything. I am already supreme Brahman.

[00:34:48]No, unless and until you understand that, realize that and at the end we will understand after the realization what happens. So this shabana first you have to hear very rare you know most of the people don't get the opportunity to hear this type of words there is god and you are here you are a sinner you have done sin so you will be punished do this do that some people will come and go on dictating and we go on listening right from our childhood days and we think that must be that very very rare that people they say you are that supreme Brahman blessed you are and even when you hear that we don't understand the the what actually they are telling most of the people in a free country they don't understand what is bondage those people here born in America they don't care about anything they're thinking it is the life it is not it is not that life sometimes I tell the younger generation younger people who come the people from all over the world they are trying so hard to come to your country over here only to be free only to earn money only to live a happy free life you were born over here but you are not understanding it sometimes the children who are born in a rich family they don't understand what is richness what is his father they think this is everywhere that is our problem in Hinduism we hear this but we don't understand that we no no those people see they have a teacher they say hey get up in the 4:00 all get up in the 4:00 they say go and sit down and they all go why in Hinduism it is not there Hinduism is all free instead of appreciating the freedom Indivism giving the opportunity for you to grow and there is a the school that will say do this don't do this and if you do this we will punish you is that the way you like to grow this is very problem when we are completely free we do not understand we think that is good and that is the mistake the Hinduism is completely free even if I don't go to temple I am a Hindu. Even I don't believe in God. I am a Hindu.

[00:37:34]Majority of our philosophy don't believe in God. But there are Hindu philosophy.

[00:37:40]We don't know. So what is God? Why God should help me? I am trying to understand this and I will stand on my own feet. That is Hinduism. That broadness is there. That broadness if we break and we come under the guidance of someone suppose he make the mistake and mostly they will make the mistake history is there that proves and then what will happen how he will understand is he god he's pretending to be that but he is not she is not then what so this is the way we have to understand the katam bimokia how we can overcome that how we can become free it says Raana and what happens after the realization?

[00:38:30]Well, this is a question no one can answer.

[00:38:34]What happens after the realization?

[00:38:38]Particularly in the Ghana Margi, particularly after the realization, no one can say that I have realized.

[00:38:48]Why? Because you cannot explain it. as because he cannot explain explain it express it.

[00:38:56]So you cannot claim but he believes within feels within.

[00:39:02]So that is the way in the Bhagabad Gita 7th chapter the third verse it says And the millions and millions of people only handle will try to realize God.

[00:39:31]Among those who are trying to realize God only maybe a percentage of one or two will truly realize God. And mostly we imagine about God. We think about the goodness and this that is nothing. Don't tell lies. That is nothing. Only beginning.

[00:39:53]That is nothing. Give the arms to the poor. They're only beginning. These are all good work. But that purifies your mind. And after the purification of your mind, when your mind is what is purification? Free from ego.

[00:40:11]Bhagwan Si Ramak Krishna he never attended any school but he was so perfect and he said ami mole gi so thousands of books we are reading and then we are talking we are listening but he said if you remove your ego you are completely free and this ego is subtle so subtle sometimes it will be there we don't understand but it is there and that is the reason we are not getting the freedom. The moment the freedom comes what happens? You become silent. Again Bhagan Sri Ramak Krishna giving the example when you are putting uh some you know empty vessel to put the water into it into a pond it creates sound dug dug dug because the air is coming out and water is going in so that creates a sound when it is completely full it don't make any sound so when a person is completely full it will never make any sound means aha die.

[00:41:22]You will never do that. And how we will understand this is so anuhaba.

[00:41:29]It is your own experience.

[00:41:32]Then Bhagavan Sramak Krishna said what is rashugal?

[00:41:36]It is rashugala. Those who have eaten rashuga then only they will realize. And if you explain it is a round shape like a cricket ball almost then it is white then it is sweet it is soft. Some idea you can have but no unless and until you eat and that too not this rasuga kolkata rasugula then only these are all these rasugulas are not the original one then only it is so soft it melts in the mouth and so sweet and the wonderful taste it comes some people must be having the water in the mouth so that is the rasagulla so One who has realized this realized it. And that is why Chitano Maha Prabhu when we see him such a beautiful good-looking person so intelligent educated never cares for anything. Kings are coming to him he never bothers about that. Why? Because he got much more happiness than the king could give by donating some money and some land and the gold.

[00:42:49]That is the joy. So how we know that this is the ultimate thing? By observing these people. Who are these people?

[00:42:59]Janamta.

[00:43:02]And now we have already discussed we don't know them. When they will be liberated after death they are liberated. We don't know them. Only jibam mukta and very very rare. A person who is completely liberated still living in this world.

[00:43:24]Why? Tremendous love for this world.

[00:43:28]Love for the human being. Buddhism they mentioned it as bodhichata stage.

[00:43:36]Bodhichata and then bddhhatwa.

[00:43:40]Buddhist satwa means they realize the truth then they turn and see oh these people are suffering they don't understand I should go and tell them the many people they go to the villages to teach them some mathematics some English some these and science and all why they know that through education they can be empowered so they go they are not giving them the politics or other things giving education why they understood Through education one can even you if you are born in a lowost family it doesn't matter if you are educated you are then the top person in the world Dr. Abdul Kalam is an example, recent example in India. He was born in a very low family but he is a such a huge and the personality towering personality.

[00:44:35]So because of the knowledge so the people they go like that the bodhic satwa bbean said I will take birth again and again till a dog in the street is hungry.

[00:44:50]that much love for this they love so much why they love because they see themselves in those others they don't understand this they also love but love because of the connection I love them because they come to me because they support me because they are my relatives because they are my friends and then I love unknown people I love even the Enemies I love they are my enemies even then I love them I try to help them that is called bodhi satwa condition why do they love because they see them in them himself they don't see anything else there a in the duality they see god in them swami brahmanand gi that this picture that you see he was the first president of the Ramakrishna in order and Bhagavan Sri Ramak Krishna used to consider him as his son because he developed him in his own way the devotion and knowledge the all together he was constantly merged in that divine form then one day he was sitting and then another swami the also direct disciple of Bhagavan Sri Ramak Krishna he was the manager the manager has to go and talk to people and look around things are happening ing or not in Belmont and new generation the young boys they were joining they were not listening in that way as they used to do. So naturally always the generation gap one day he came and told Raja Raja means the people used to call him the Raja Maharaj the Raja you should scold these young brahmacharians they are not listening to me.

[00:46:44]Then Rajamas looked at them and quietly sitting Raja I have called them please tell them something. Rajamas looked at them and then afterwards said that I don't see any brahmachari I see all takur standing. How can they scold takur he saw the samakrishna standing in the form of all those young novishes and young brahmacharians.

[00:47:09]So that is called the Brahmadishi.

[00:47:13]They can't see anything else but the divine Bhagavan Sramak Krishna he was passing and with going with the some devotees in a horsedrawn carriage that the windows of the that it was open suddenly they understood they have come in a wrong place because that mostly the honored people they never go to pass through that locality. the the ladies were there standing and calling people.

[00:47:43]So suddenly they were passing through that they wanted to close that window but sirak Krishna was so happy seeing those ladies and he started shouting mother you like to dress like this were you standing here like this he saw the divine mother Kali in all those ladies he couldn't see anything else so this is called brahadrishti they can't see the difference unless and until you have the Brahma dishi you are not you have not progressed in the spiritual life you are just a student in the spiritual life as long as there will be differences so prahati yada kano gan so how we will understand the person has realized Brahman And when the Arjuna asks that it's called sitta pragya brahmagyani all same different terminology and the Bhagavan Krishna is giving him the all these and he said from Gita 2 chapter from 54 to 61 all these verses are dedicated to explain how you will understand a realized soul.

[00:49:09]Sometimes people they claim I have realized I have seen God. Even the ordinary people they'll say the mostly the some Americans they write to me I practiced meditation and this that under him and that that now I realized Brahman.

[00:49:25]So encourages them oh you have already realized Brahman. Very good. I am on the way. So like that what to say? They don't understand what is Brahman. what they have realized but they think I'm now their behavior is completely different completely but just imagining I'm realized and maybe some people have encouraged them they don't know anything so we have to understand very clearly what is our goal is a mti why mti because this having the body whatever it may be as a human body suffering is there educated uneducate educated, wealthy, poor, suffering is always there and at the end of the life there will be diseases and you won't be able to walk, you won't be able to do anything. So I was so strong and now I can feel myself. I'm telling I can feel that I'm becoming weak. I know that that strength will never come back.

[00:50:27]So slowly slowly becoming weak. And when you are old, you do not know what will happen. Morning you are very good you are happy the moment something happen but some this or that this is a regular experience. So the body is a burden but this through this body we can realize God.

[00:50:52]So when we are young when our body is strong we should try to realize God. How fast is shana? Listen to the words of the gurus. What are those gurus?

[00:51:06]Our all rishies in the Bhagaban Sri Krishna in Bhagabad Gita Bhagabata upon excellent collections of upanishadas are there and in the upanishad they always teach you are that you are that you are that and I am not this body then who am I? I am the consciousness. If I am conscious then why should I be so smallminded constantly thinking oh this man is not appreciating me he is not doing this he is not doing that why should I do that each and everyone is nothing but me I am reflecting in everywhere I once went to the lacno many of you don't know the luck and there is a a room the moment you enter into that and you are you will see yourself in million forms because the small small the mirrors are there on the top and on the below side everywhere they will push you inside the room and you see yourself wherever you see you wherever you look you in millions in million forms sometimes from the back sometimes from the side sometimes from the top sometimes from the below you are there that is your world and that proves in this world also I see myself in them. The spirituality should not be mixed with the politics, sociology, economy.

[00:52:37]No, because that belongs to the world.

[00:52:40]In politics, you should be strong. This is my country. You should not invade my country. Then I will fight with you. Of course, that is right for them.

[00:52:52]But in spirituality there is no boundary.

[00:52:56]There is no boundary. A spiritual person if he says oh they are our enemies we should not help them. He's not a spiritual person. He has not started his journey.

[00:53:08]He is a very very nobish person. He doesn't know anything of spirituality.

[00:53:13]Spirituality is this because they don't have any desire and what they do only try to help and that is why the avatara they come what is the next after the liberation those who after the liberation they survive they only serve as the Jesus did as the Buddha did at Chaitananya Prabhu did at Samak Krishna's Shami Bandanda did and Shami Banandanda said that if you can serve the poor the down toden the illiterate the oppressed they're the living gods and goddesses there's a great opportunity instead of constructing huge temple and putting an the stone idol into that and then trying to think oh in that is a life in there is a life. Why you were thinking that stone image has to be alive?

[00:54:16]Leaving gods and goddesses are there on the streets, in the villages, in the hamlets on the cities.

[00:54:25]Can't you serve them? Is a modern religion and modern bed.

[00:54:31]So that vidant if we apply if we go and serve the living gods and goddesses you are jiban mukta not that oh you're a poor man I'm so helping we have formed a group we collect some fund and we help them beginning only but when you go with great love and try to help them pray for them then you are a liberated person and You are liberated.

[00:55:03]It will show that you don't have any desire. Those people will vote for me.

[00:55:08]Those people will appreciate me. No, no desire. Only you love them. So what is the goal? Liberation.

[00:55:17]After liberation, what? Love. Unselfish service and nothing else. Thank you friends.

[00:55:26]>> There are there are many questions.

[00:55:27]First question um as Tapur itself was the creator of the whole world then why did he tolerate the bad behavior of Vidam. Is that something Sri Ram Krishna showed us how to deal with different sets of people? Yeah, that is true. Your question and your answer perfect because bad will be there, good will be there and tak tolerated bad people also because let them be there. Anyone criticizing you immediately putting them into the jail or forcing them to stop.

[00:56:04]So that is not good thing. That means you are afraid. That means you are weak.

[00:56:10]You don't have the confidence on yourself. Oh, I am know I know myself. I am strong. I am good. Even if they're telling like that, it doesn't matter at all. But that is called democracy. That is called the broadness. If you are not doing that at autocracy, so these are the words that they have used in the Roman words. So naturally I don't allow anyone to speak against me. You are afraid.

[00:56:36]You are weak. Bhagavan Sramak Krishna.

[00:56:40]Exactly. in in front of his room. A gentleman used to sit his relatives though and whoever will come to visit Sriramak Krishna not to him they're coming to visit Sriram Krishna he will stop them and say hey you are going to meet Sriram Krishna you know he never attended any school he's a illiterate person you sit with me look at this so many books I have read I will tell you about god sam krishna listening because just in front of him but he never said anything when those people they disgusted with that they will go and say why Takur you are allowing him to sit over here then he said no no no criticism should be there otherwise the function the proper things won't happen if you listen to those criticism and accept that and go away that means you are not a genuine disciple no I don't need you actually he is a strainer he is working over there as a strainer and the people coming over there and they influenced by them and then going away is good they are not coming so I'm taking little more time this is very important if you understand that somebody is criticizing you doesn't matter at all because you are confident that I do good thing even the criticism is nothing and it shows you are powerful rather when a person is crit you know that in in And in India the Purulia there's a district is there and there's a beautiful school very famous school in Purulia many in the India sorry mostly in Bengal they know the famous school in in Purula. So I was there then a group of people came in the political movement was going on the communist people they were going on criticizing us with the microphone we could all hear it then the Swami G who was there he told send some water to them because they're going on talking for a long time and it is so summer they must be then not only water we had to make the mango or the juice and all that and that we sent to them.

[00:59:06]They are telling against us but they should be energized. So no problem for us because we knew whatever they are telling us is not true. We are perfect.

[00:59:18]So friend that is the reason Bhagavan Sama Krishna allowed him. Thank you.

[00:59:25]Second question in uh today's world how to deal with people who always live in their own circle they cannot accept what others are saying they always argue how to live with them and live with them again again uh that is a very practical question surely but you know what happens I would suggest I am away from the society for a long period of time I do not know exactly what is happening But gazing and imagining it is better that you try to avoid them.

[01:00:04]in Hindi they say that whoever comes and says you know those people are like oh that must be you when you are telling that must be what to do because you cannot change them unnecessary don't make them your enemy a time will come then they themselves will understand so you have to for some time you have to work like that then a move will come you know so Many tyrants came in this world and all of them were thrown away. All of them they were dead and gone. So don't be afraid of the tyrants. They will all go away and they are unfortunate that they got the opportunity. They cannot do good things. But whatever it doesn't matter for yourself, your life be very very careful and intelligently you have to mix with your friends and neighbors and live a very happy peaceful life and I pray for that too. Thank you. Third question is based on the Gita 18 verse 66.

[01:01:12]uh he's asking should one leave all the righteousness before taking refuge in the lord and then he's quoting surva means all your duties and responsibilities.

[01:01:34]So sometimes people ask a son you have not completed your dharma and after the completion of the education you you all all of us almost so you joined the Ramak Krishna order and became the monks who will look after your parents maybe your brother and sister but why they why not you that's a good that good question I also asked myself then I felt that you know there is a power in God. If you truly love God and leave each and everything, God will take care of that. Look at that. When the Buddha is leaving his wife and son and now him, a whole world is worshiping them. And look at the Chaitananya Mahapu's wife. She is now as a god is woripped by so many people. Vishnu Priya as a she has having a beautiful temple and people worship her. She also completely changed not an ordinary wife but a divine wife. Look at the mother Sharada.

[01:02:43]She was not having any children of but she became the mother of the whole world worship everywhere. So this always it happens by that way you have to think and when God is you are going for God God will take care of you that for sure it is said no no it is said that sometimes the body of a salu becomes chin maya through religious practices does that mean that spirituality can transform an ordinary material body into a conscious element.

[01:03:23]>> No no no body remains body only. The doctors will come and put injection and all these things goes on. But it is not the body. It is that mind.

[01:03:34]The mind of that person that becomes so big and he loves everyone. Whoever goes near him they also feel like that whoever. So that is why even the drunkards they used to come to Bhagaban Sriram Krishna but after coming over there when Sriramak Krishna will be talking with them he never scolded them hey why you have come with to me after drinking he'll be talking with them about God and all that all the things of intoxicated condition will go away they will attentively listen to Takur and their life changed completely changed there was a person he used to known as Dhana Kali Kali Prashando was his name but he was so rough and his wife he was also very much afraid of him. So he used to fight with everyone. So Dana Dhana means dhaba.

[01:04:30]So devilish type of person. His wife came to Sriram Krishna. Sam Krishna told go to mother. You know the story. The mother ultimately gave as flower and told take it and this will help. Slowly slowly that dhanaakali completely changed. He became a divine personality and afterwards he became the recruiting officer of a big company and he used to recruit people only after asking one question. After all that last question do you know Ramak Krishna? If they say yes recruited.

[01:05:06]So this all changes come. So the God's name is very powerful. But the person who is going on taking the name of God, it's not the body, it is his mind, it is his personality that become divine.

[01:05:20]Thank you.

[01:05:23]If I feel somebody is not liking me, what should I do to change the unpleasant feeling I have towards him?

[01:05:32]So sometimes if someone is not liking me so I should understand that and go away to unnecessarily not disturbing him or her or suppose you are in such a condition then sometimes you are meeting or just say hello like that trying to help him or her from distance but don't expect anything in return. So what will happen? You will enjoy the bliss of giving bliss of service. But when you expect something in return that is the problem always we suffer because we expect but if you are not expecting there'll be no problem at all. So thank you the very good questions. So let us say shanti three times and I have two announcements.

[01:06:26]You can say shanti after me. Om shanti shant.

[01:06:36]>> Shanti shant shanti shantrishna.

[01:07:02]I was supposed to go to Houston. I was supposed to be in the Houston today. But something happened the cough and something. So I cancelled that. But I'm happy that first is because of the rest and medicine I recovered very quickly.

[01:07:21]And second, so many people came to meet.

[01:07:24]Had I not been here, I would have missed them. And friends, you'll be very happy to know that Satya Sai many of you know the Satya Sai with the big all the big year. He was having lot of miracles. His disciple, honorable Modu Sai, he will be visiting us tomorrow at 10:00. I'll be very happy if you can come and greet him and you can chit chatting him with also.

[01:07:55]So he is coming of his own we have not invited but he's he thought that he will come to vanta society and being the associated with the vanta society if you can please come tomorrow at 10:00 don't bring anything maybe little flower we'll also do or maybe fruits if they told they won't eat anything but they like that so they are very rich people so obviously I visited they I do not know how to offer the seat and all that but anyway he has kindly coming this is a very nice person and please come and meet him and secondly our ganges retreat in the next month so if you like to uh register please register this time two maj's have invited one from the north California and the south California one is the elderly mat another is a very young maj So both of them they will be coming. Uh please register uh for this the Ganges retreat. These are the two things I to tell you and enjoy your holidays.

[01:09:07]Tomorrow is also holiday. So morning if you can come that will be good and since the person is coming maybe the only time he's coming he will also see that our congregation. Thank you. Thank you very much.

[01:09:46]Are you sure?

[01:10:09]Come and sit.