Atheist EXPOSES A Major Problem With The "Christianity Built Society" Claim

[00:00:00]That's the reason And that's the reason you're  with this tablet today. Are you trying to say that other cultures didn't have advanced civilization  before the introduction of Christianity? What is going on everybody? Welcome back to the channel.  Grab a seat because this one is a good one. Today we are dropping into a street debate where an  atheist named Thomas goes head-to-head with a group of believers over one massive question. Is  religion a genuine path to truth or is it really just a tool built to keep people in line? Thomas  argues it has always been about control and the believers including Kobe and Loba push back hard  with everything from civilization to slavery to the nature of Jesus himself. Things get sharp  fast. Now do yourself a favor and stick around all the way through because the strongest exchange  does not land at the start. It builds and you will want to see how it lands. Before we get into it,  drop a comment and let me know exactly where in the world you are tuning in from. I love seeing  how far this channel reaches, so say hello. All right, enough from me. Let's get straight into  the breakdown. What do you consider religion to me is a structure that has been created by  man to control lesser minds and also ease the pain of those hoping to be like their creator  or whoever is controlling them. So this stems down from slavery of course and slavery way back  to the biblical text as well. It has always been used as a tool or a weapon and that's is that's  just what religion is to me. Is that what you see Christianity as religion as a whole? It's not just  Christianity. For my understanding of religion, religion has set rules. For example, you have to  do this to get this. In Christianity, we do not have to do anything. The work has already been  done. All we need to do is to accept what Christ has done for us, which is the death, the burial,  and the resurrection and the ascension of Jesus.

[00:01:46]So why do we still pay tithe if we don't have  to do anything? Titan is a complete sermon on its own. Do you get what I'm saying? Titan is  You [clears throat] said something now. That's why I'm counting. You said we don't have to do  anything. We just need to accept. So I'm like, okay. So why do I hear from a pastor that says  if I don't pay tithe, I will go to hell. That's wrong. I will tell you outright that that  is wrong. So now when it comes to hearay, most people take pastor's words to be scriptural.  do realize the Bible was written by 40 human authors including and they all about Jesus and  they all connected through Jesus. But you just said something now that people just accept  what pastor says and the custodian. No, I'm not saying that people accept what pastor say. I'm  saying people take what pastors say as scripture.

[00:02:29]The Bible never said that if you do not pay tithe  you are going to hell. Never was that said in the Bible. But that is exactly my point. What is your  point exactly? My point is it is used as a tool to control the people. So if people do believe  what some pastor says, it is a tool. Please, you've been voted out by the majority. Thank  you very much for your time. Up our women, please raise up your hand. We need a woman up  here. Why are we not Are you guys scared? Okay.

[00:02:55]No woman. The guy in the back. Yeah, you again.  Thank you very much. I think he has a lot to say. [snorts] Welcome. I'm not going to be arguing  for religion. I'll be talking about Christianity.

[00:03:06]What Christ came to do and what Christ established  was the church. Christ did not establish a religion. He was speaking to me and said on this  rock I will build my church and the gate of hell will not prevail against it. And you will agree  with me that the church has done so much good across civilization. Why would I believe that?  Exactly. So for example, the church has brought civilization which is by virtue of a lot of  missionary schools and a whole lot of stuff.

[00:03:28]And that's the reason and that's the reason you're  with this tablet today. Are you trying to say that other cultures didn't have advanced civilization  before the introduction of Christianity? I'm not saying that other cultures did not have that.  What I'm saying specifically is that through ages, especially here in Nigeria where Christianity came  through the south, they brought in civilization, right? And then they abolished a lot of criminal  practices. Other religions have things like the killing of twins, barbaric activities. And  Christianity and the church was responsible for the abolishment of such practices. I can give  you examples. For example, the killing of twins, a woman drinking the water of her late husband.  Christianity embodies so many practices from the African traditional religion. Right? So you  do realize slavery wouldn't have been possible without the approval of the church. Right? Okay.  Now, let me give you an example. Paul's letter to Filimon was about abolishing slavery. He was  telling Filimon to go back, right? He was telling I'm talking about even modern slavery, you know,  let's bring it back home. Okay. The the slavery of Africans. Yes, wasn't possible without the  approval of the pope. I would disagree with that.

[00:04:34]Right. So, so the reason I'm disagreeing with  this is that other religions do not really have a central system that everybody's able to read  and interpret. If you're saying that religion is Christianity was brought to control the people.  This was during Christianity control the world.

[00:04:47]We would not have a Bible that everybody can read  and interpret. You're an atheist. Was there a need for that? You an atheist, right? And you say that  you read the Bible. I don't. I used to. You used to read the Bible. And if you used to read the  Bible and you can deduce things for yourself, you have a free will of your own and you're  not being controlled by the same religion, right? That you said you're not being controlled  by. So how do you say that religion was designed to control the people? If you can read the book  that is written in English and different other languages. This is the moment the whole defense  quietly cracks and most people watching probably missed it. Thomas asks one of the most basic  questions you can put to any believer. He asks, "Why do we still pay tithe if we don't have to do  anything?" And watch what happens. Instead of a clean answer, he gets a stumble. The other side  calls Tai the complete sermon on its own, which is just a polite way of saying, "I do not actually  have a response ready right now." And here is what gets me. Kobe, who is defending Christianity,  ends up agreeing with the exact point Thomas is making. When Thomas brings up the pastors who tell  people they will go to hell for skipping tithe, Kobe says it flat out. That is wrong. He admits  the teaching is false. He admits people are being scared with a rule the Bible never put  there. And the second that admission lands, Thomas closes the door. He says his point is that  it is used as a tool to control the people. You have to understand why that swap matters so much.  A defender of the faith just confirmed out loud that religious authority figures are pushing fear  onto people using a rule that does not exist in the text. That is not an outsider throwing stones.  That is the believer handing over the evidence himself. Then it sharpens when the next man tries  to credit Christianity for civilization itself.

[00:06:20]basically saying, "You only hold a modern world  because of the church." Thomas fires back with a question that deserved far more respect than  the room gave it. He asks whether other cultures simply had no advanced civilization before  Christianity ever arrived. And that question is quietly lethal because the honest answer is  that every part of the planet had mathematics, medicine, law, and architecture long before a  single missionary showed up. I just want to ask if I'm working maybe woodwork and I do not have a  hammer with me. I find a stone. I use that stone to heaten the nail. Does that make the stone  a tool for driving nails or it just fits into that context? It fits into that context. Yeah.  Thank you. Now, if we say religion is a tool, we're assuming it was created by man. What man are  we going to assume created religion? You'll have to go back to whoever discovered the scrolls.  What I'm trying to say is before the discovery of the scrolls, what did mankind practice? And  are you trying to tell me civilization and all these things you're attributing to the spread  of the world or whatever you call it? I'm not I'm not into that. I'm not going to that. Now,  if we are going to attribute the creation of religion or Christianity to one man, it to be  Jesus. I think scrolls, history, everything uh credits the existence of Jesus. Are you  discarding the Old Testament and the creation of Christianity as a religion as it exists? Christ,  Christianity, Jesus. And now if somebody created something as a tool, we would assume he used it.  In the life of Christ, there is no instance where he used this tool that you say he created. There  is no instance where No, no, it wasn't created by Christ because Christ didn't even say he didn't  create the Christianity. He said be Christlike, right? Like act like him. I could be someone  like Tony Lumelu and you idolize my me and you act like me. It doesn't mean that it's law. Since  he told Peter that on this rock will I build my church. That is him mandating the creation of  Christianity. If you are not attributing the creation of Christianity to him who is Christ,  then I do not understand. Cuz if you say the laws the tool when you buy a tool there there's a set  of guidelines you have to read. No, this is this is controlled. Jesus, I'm pretty sure when he if  he comes back today would disregard many of those laws and rules. And this is the conversation we  can have. I'm more interested when you say slavery would not have existed if it wasn't approved by  the church. And that is where you understand the context I'm coming from. Christianity exists for  its own altruistic purpose. You understand what I'm alism? No incentive or no benefits to g to  be gained from it. Is that what you think? Have you really done your research? Let me finish. So  Christianity exists for an altruistic purpose.

[00:08:58]slavery was bound to happen whether Christianity  existed or not. But they looked at it and saw that it was a tool that could be used. This  is people manipulating something that already exists to their own benefit. I know you will  talk about parts in the Bible where the Bible was telling them how to treat their slaves where  Jesus was telling them to treat their slaves with kindness or say slaves should not talk against  their masters. Right? I don't know. But I'm listening. And the reason those verses exist is  because Christianity existed in a society where things like indeped servitude was a culture was a  norm. When Jesus comes to a society where indepted servitude is a huge part of their economy, if  he came and tried to dismantle the structure of servitude because he wants to tell them that  slavery is bad, what would happen is he would be automatically booted out of the society and would  not be able to fulfill his purpose of giving them the relationship with God that they should have  had. That's what Timothy describes as unnecessary arguments that do not help or edify the kingdom.  That slavery that existed in that context is what these people began to manipulate and take into  the Okay, the stone argument sounds clever, but it actually turns around and bites the side  using it. Loba asks whether using a stone to hammer a nail makes the stone a tool or whether  it just fits that context. The answer he wants you to reach is that the stone is not really  a tool, but sit with what that admits. If religion only becomes a tool the moment a human  picks it up to control or to justify something, then religion being used that way is not some  rare glitch. It is the pattern that repeats across centuries in country after country. The  analogy proves the very thing it was built to knock down. Then Loba makes a claim I cannot let  slide. He says, "Christianity exists for its own altruistic purpose. No incentive, no benefit, pure  goodwill." And here is what people do not realize.

[00:10:39]Institutions do not last 2,000 years on kindness  alone. They last on land, on wealth, on influence, on political reach. Telling me a massive global  institution wants absolutely nothing in return is not faith. It is wishful thinking with the  lights off. But the part that truly gets me is the slavery defense. Loa says slavery was bound  to happen whether Christianity existed or not. And then he argues the verses about how to treat the  people you owned only exist because Jesus stepped into a society where that system was already the  economy. His logic is that Jesus could not speak against it or he would have been thrown out. Think  about how much that quietly surrenders. You are telling me an all powerful moral teacher looked  at human beings treated as property and decided the wise move was to manage it gently instead of  condemning it outright. A nervous human reformer playing it safe. I can understand. But that is not  the standard a divine being should ever be held to. That excuse only works the moment you admit  under your breath that you are describing a man and not a god. Doesn't really mean you have to be  a slave. It could be controlling of minds. Okay. I don't like don't don't make it boxed in control.  When you kill the willpower of someone's belief system, it's easier to control them. That's the  first thing. Most if I'm to invade a place I go, I destroy what they believe in their gods,  destroy their shrine, you know, just kill that first of all and if possible destabilize the  educational system like burning their libraries, killing whatever sort of knowledge they might  have before. Those are the first steps I would take before I introduce something new like oh pray  to one god up and then you'll be saved for your sins. What I'm trying to say is that the invaders  or the people who came now you say Christianity was used to per se enslave people did English  people use Christianity to enslave themselves.

[00:12:25]Yeah. Have you not heard of the the burning of  witches in Salem [clears throat] in and this this this people misconring what to at that point  people will just wake up they don't like your face they'll just tell the priest this person I saw  this person in my dream he was chasing me and then the only world I think the only world way  to be fair to attribute that to Christianity in and of itself is if you can point at something  within the framework of Christianity which is the Bible where something like that was supported.  If you cannot then what we are simply defining is people taking something that exists something that  seems something that people already tagged it as Christianity and something that people already as  which is Christianity and then they turn it around to use it as a weapon for their own good. You  you're just validating my point that it is still used as a weapon when you say people when you say  used to manipulate support that Christianity is used but your claim said Christianity is a tool  Christianity in and of itself in its ideal form Christianity as it exists objectively is not a  tool. If it is a tool, you would have to show me the person that created this tool, how the  person benefited from this tool and how this cannot exist outside being a tool. Then study the  dark ages and how the Christian world benefited by controlling the masses. Then as for being  an opium, the poor really don't have anything to fight for them. The oppressors will always  rely on them praying to an an imaginary being.

[00:14:00]And here is where Thomas pulls the whole thing  together. And honestly, this is the strongest stretch of the entire conversation. He explains  how you actually control a population. And it does not start with chains. It starts in the mind.  He says, "When you kill the willpower of someone's belief system, it becomes easier to control them.  That lying should make everyone stop because it describes something that has happened in real  history over and over. You move into a place, you tear down what the people already believe, you  discredit their knowledge, and then you hand them a fresh story that conveniently asks for their  obedience. Now, let me give you the documented history because this is not just theory. Thomas  points to the witch trials, and the Salem episode of 1692 is one of the clearest examples on record.  More than 200 people were accused, and around 20 lost their lives, condemned on dreams and  accusations rather than anything resembling proof.

[00:14:49]That is what happens when a belief system gets  the power to decide who is guilty. And here is a detail most people get wrong. At Salem, the  condemned were hanged, not burned. The burning image comes from the European trials where the  toll ran into the tens of thousands across the centuries. The method changes, the lesson does  not. Then Thomas turns to the medieval period and how the institution that controlled the masses  also profited from controlling them. And he lands on the oldest critique there is. faith can be  served up as comfort to people who have nothing else, while the ones at the top quietly keep the  real power. His closing line is blunt and it is honest. He says, "The oppressors will always rely  on the people praying to an imaginary being." And whether you agree with him or not, you have to  ask why that line stings. Cuz every single example raised in this debate, from fear-based tithing to  gently managed servitude to panic-driven trials, all point the same direction. The moment belief  is handed the keys to power, the people at the bottom are the ones who pay the bill. That is  the conversation actually worth having and it is the one too many people are afraid to start.  So, what do you guys think of this? Leave your thoughts down in the comments. Please like and  subscribe and I will see you in the next video.