Where Do We Draw the Line on Assisted Dying?

Added: 2026-05-26

[00:00:00]What do you think should be the law around this stuff? Because the reason that we we we've brought you on again to talk about this is this is clearly something that is spreading to other countries including the countries that all of the people watching this are living in. Yeah.

[00:00:15]>> What should be the right framework for this?

[00:00:18]>> Should should there be any euthanasia, sister dying, whatever you want to call it. So, I I always try to say it really carefully because I think it's it's people hate this when I say it and they go, "Well, you're a hypocrite. You went to war." I get it. I learned a thing or two. We should stop killing people. We should stop killing people and we should actually put effort and funding and supports into our health care system so people can have the double blind so people can have hospice and palative care so that they can have access to regulated psilocybin which we know helps with end of life care. We should have tools in place. Now I believe in the double blind as an option. Is that a legal medical thing?

[00:01:01]No. But we understand morphine and fentinol a little bit better than we understand reconium and hard you know large doses of propall and what the lungs are showing in Canadian autopsies.

[00:01:11]People say those were just made. When I brought up that stat people say those were American those were American death.

[00:01:15]Those were American drugs. But you know Alicia Duncan's mother's autopsy shows the same thing. and she was killed in Canada in Abbottzford. So, you know, we just to get those autopsies, you actually have to almost sue Fraser Healthcare and other healthare systems because they won't release them. So, like why why wouldn't you release them if there's nothing funny in them? That's one point.

[00:01:33]No, I think right now we are in a place where because of how our governments are choosing to look at human beings and whether we value them or not, I don't believe there is a time right now that we could trust a system with a program like this, which is a eugenics program.

[00:01:54]I don't believe we are in a place to ever trust it because humans are humans and humans make mistakes and humans can be manipulated and propagandized and changed into believing X or Y or Z. And the only difference I would say between the trans and I just think I'm early to this and this is why it sounds like lunacy and Jordan was early to this with the the university stuff and like the like and he was like people like he's crazy but but here's the difference. Trans stuff comes from the bottom up. We tell our kids really early that they're a cat and then they can be a they them and a table. Cool.

[00:02:30]We've gone the most vulnerable sides of society. Trans down here maid is up here. So we've said well this this little child has said it so we have to abide by it. They asked to change their diaper and grandma's struggling so hard and we don't want to see her. Do you see the two empathetic scales we're pulling on? Right. So we're just going top down and this one top up. I mean bottom up.

[00:02:53]So I don't think the way our world is right now, the way our governments are breaking down, our healthare systems are breaking down and our lack of support for hospice and palative care and proper medical intervention and and timely access to health care providers who are not manipulated into making crazy incentives, financial incentives. I do not believe that we could have a protocol across the globe that does this. And you could say, "Well, the Netherlands and everyone's been doing it since the 40s." Okay, but they've always killed people and they're still killing kids and nobody seems to have a problem with that over there. I, as a Westerner, have a real problem with the idea that my 12 or 13 or 14year-old or even me in my 40s or 50s, when my brain isn't fully there, somebody around me could take my decision-making capacity and have me killed. And don't tell me it's not happening because we have records of it. So, people can be manipulated. And I am genuinely concerned that if this continues to go, like I said, Canada hasn't even hit mental illness yet. And in less than 10 years, we've killed a 100,000 people. That's not a small number. The United States is roughly around 19,000, but because it's just expanding. But the 13th state and and um and the the jurisdiction which makes 14 locations, that's just the starting point. And Compassionate Choices has said it clearly. You know, this is not small.

[00:04:17]You have a governor, you have a sitting governor right now who admitted to illegally killing a family member in his memoir and participating in it and then because of those feelings legislated that same protocol in his state and nothing has happened to Gavin Newsome.

[00:04:33]So if doctors like the one in Ontario and Quebec or I think it was Ontario, the one that just got in trouble only got a four-month suspension for mating people and not reporting it to the government or telling anybody about it can get away with it here. If Ellen Weeb can get away with it. If Stephanie Green can get away with it. If people can get away with it, they will get away with it. So, no, I don't think humans can handle a protocol like this. We saw it with eugenics the first time. Didn't go well. We're just not learning from it.

[00:05:01]We're just doing the same things and saying this is modern medical care, guys. So, no, I I'd like to think we could, but I don't believe that our society is in any way equipped as it sits to have the idea where your doctor should have the right to kill you.

[00:05:14]That's kind of insane and feels like an oxymoron to me.

[00:05:17]>> Do you think part of the problem as well, Kelsey, is the fact that death is such a taboo topic in the West?

[00:05:22]>> Yes.

[00:05:22]>> In the way that it isn't in many other cultures.

[00:05:25]>> I love that you brought that up. I know you want to wrap up cuz I talked too much, but the you're so right. There's so much to be said about that. That's a real thing, right? Where if you look at these other cultures, you know, death is a very normalized thing. They still burn bodies in open public. You know, India does it a certain way. Your culture does it a certain way. Death in in the more Latino cultures is not something to be feared in a way. Um I I don't know your deal. I I I don't I don't know how the Russians >> It's fact of life.

[00:05:52]>> What are you going to do?

[00:05:53]>> You feel nothing, you die.

[00:05:54]>> We born No, you feel pain, then you die.

[00:05:56]>> Then you die. Yeah. You must >> You feel sad, then die.

[00:05:59]>> Exactly. But can't like But that's the thing, right? We have told people this gives them control back. We've told this they it removes suffering. But I've said this before and I think it's important to state. When you were born and when you came into this life, whether it was a choice or not, nobody ever said you would be devoid of some form of suffering. And there is, regardless of the level of suffering, something to be learned. I've known friends who have lost three limbs and are still laughing about it. It helped them see the world in a different place and be grateful to be here. I have gone through it where I've wanted to die every waking minute of my life. And now I see life as this incredibly precious thing that I would refuse to ever give in. and give up to.

[00:06:41]But the idea of death for me because I've sat with enough psychedelics and and faced death enough times. I don't fear it. I don't fear it because I know it's a natural part of where I am going.

[00:06:52]And by definition, the second you come out of the womb, you're palative.

[00:06:57]Okay. So, but if that's if we're talking about definable terms and how we qualify people, well, you're you're in a palative state. Okay. But what is palative then truly, you know? So I think that we have a taboo around sex and culture in the west and around death and what happens in death and we fear it and we go we I need to be I need to be in control of my death. Who says who gives you that right? Do you get to play God? Because that's what it's doing.

[00:07:24]You're playing God. And we even had a doctor on Vancouver Island. I just wrote about him last week in my Substack who talked about he goes, "If I thought there would be there's a quote, he goes, "If I thought there'd be a God, um I I wouldn't be doing it. I I if I thought there would be a God, I wouldn't be doing it, but I know there's no God, and if I can do the same thing as him, I'm going to keep doing it." So, it's like there's going to be sick people who will take lives and justify it. But when it comes to our society, you know, I'm sure there's better answers to this, but I think we don't understand death and understand that there is there is beauty in suffering in giving life. And I'll remind me of this in two months.

[00:08:07]>> Okay.

[00:08:08]>> For the listeners, she's due soon.

[00:08:10]>> Yeah. Can we tell? And then I think there's also, as hard as it is for people to wrap their brain around, a beauty in death and leaving our earth and what you leave behind and what you've done with the time that you've had here. And so regardless of what people say, well, grandma has the right to die. You're right, for sure. But I think we owe it to our society and our people to go, if we're going to do this, it has to be better researched, has to be better studied. I don't think we should. That's me personally. But the idea that we should be accepting children and the mentally ill and the disabled and the homeless and the addicts like Canada is already doing, you can't. We'll never We'll never I'll never agree. I'll never agree to that.

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