HINDSIGHT: Was Matt Rhule the right choice at the time of his hiring?

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[00:00:00]Mailbag Friday, where you're wondering if Nebraska is stuck in sports purgatory.

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[00:00:24]>> Hello and thanks for making Lockdown Nebraska your first listen every day. We are free and available wherever you get podcasts and on YouTube, part of the Locked On podcast network, the number one sports podcast network, your team every day. Hello everybody. I'm Connor Happer. This is the Friday mailbag edition of the Locked On Nebraska podcast. Uh, no Mitch, we're going solo.

[00:00:46]So, we'll unfortunately Mitch won't have a chance to uh to opine on any of these questions. it'll just be me and you'll have to deal with some of these answers, but we'll we'll rock and roll through them. Got a bunch of emails this week.

[00:00:59]So, we always appreciate you guys sending in the emails to lockdowngmail.com and then of course using the uh Discord chat as well. So, as always, feel free to do that and send those in. We'll give you priority access to the mailbag uh next week. So, without further ado, let's get to all these. We start here with Hugh from Denver. He says, "Love the show. Thanks for providing us with great Husker coverage. Here's my question. In your opinion, is the football program stuck in sports purgatory? Yeah, I I think there's been a lot of that uh conversation over the last several years like, hey, are we just stuck here? Is this is this going to be my life forever? Um, it's sort of similar to the question for me as um, you know, are we are we cursed or or something like is there is there something about this that just isn't going to make it work? No, I mean as far as the results are concerned, it has been a real grind obviously of the last 10 years. You know, people expanded out even further than that, but I would say, you know, 10 since the start of the Riley era. It's been a long time now. I it but it doesn't mean that you're trapped here.

[00:02:08]I've I've always said that. I mean there's there's always hope that you're going to be able to get out of it. Um now maybe the difference being this year we get we've gotten a version of this question I think a lot. Um so I don't blame Hugh for asking it. Um is maybe it's more difficult to get out. Maybe it's more difficult to dig yourself out of this hole than it ever has previously been given how competitive everybody is and and how much money there is and how difficult, you know, it just is to to win football games in general. Um, and and I do think there is some truth to that. It's a hard thing to establish.

[00:02:43]Identity is a really difficult thing to establish, but a lot of programs do it across the country. And I think from my from my perspective, my positivity is that you don't need the most money in college football in order to establish an identity. You don't need the the nicest facilities. You don't need like, you know, and the the problem is that Nebraska just simply has not done that.

[00:03:08]Um I do think it starts there. I think we'll talk about that a little bit more as we go on throughout the show today, but um no, they're not stuck. They're not trapped. Uh it might seem like they're trapped right now, but there is there is a way out. Um and there's there's no doubt about it. I I can't guarantee you that it's going to happen in in any certain amount of time. Um but I I do think there is a way out. Here is Scott in Windsor. He says, "Hey fellas, a few baseball questions for you." All right, good. Uh by the way, I apologize.

[00:03:36]I'm going probably drink a couple drinks of water as we go on throughout the show today.

[00:03:41]So Scott says this. How did the 16 baseball regionals get picked? both the hosts and the three other teams, how are they balanced as far as Nebraska go?

[00:03:50]Well, okay. So, let's ask the let's ask the uh the the bones question first. Um so, it's in essence the 16 best teams.

[00:04:01]Um that's that's sort of where the conversation begins. That's how the regional hosts are picked. Um it's not always that way. It's it's not always the 16 best teams. And remember, this is objective. Um, I'm sorry. This is subjective where you're looking at a variety of different metrics and you're going off of the eye test. And there's also a little twinge of you have to be aware of if the facilities at each of these places are capable of hosting events and and things of that nature.

[00:04:30]And there is a little bit of you want to keep a regionality aspect to it and and things like that. You don't want every single regional to be in one area of the country. But generally, it's a performance-based thing. That's where the top 16 are going. And that's how basically it fills in after that as well.

[00:04:48]But like I said, here's where you get into a little bit more of the um it's it's not just, hey, the number one overall seed in the NCA tournament is going to get the worst two seed in their in their bracket. Doesn't work like that. It can work like that. Um but there will be a regionality piece to this. there there is absolutely no doubt about it. And then the fours are generally all low major conferences, conference champions uh who win their conference tournaments. Um it is not unlike the NCA basketball tournament where you know the last you know 20 teams or so in in the NCA tournament or uh well I guess in basketball it's more like 30 right 20 plus teams are um you know just slotted in that 16 15 14 seed range. Those are your four and low three seed equivalents. then some of the three seeds are going to be um you know atlarge teams who make it because of their metrics and that's been a big discussion over the years. But yeah, it's I mean think about the NCA basketball tournament. It's a lot like that. And then Scott wonders as far as Nebraska goes, is this a legit team?

[00:06:01]Like a super regional advancement legit being in Canada? I only watch live games on btn and then YouTube highlights. I'm not sure how strong the Big 10 is this season in comparison to other leagues.

[00:06:11]Thank you, Scott. Also, Scott says, "PS, Bobby Whit Jr. is very, very fast."

[00:06:15]Well, I'm glad you're able to see Bobby Whit Jr. in Canada. What a thrill for you. Um, yeah, I think Nebraska is legit. I I I said this um earlier this week on on my radio show on 1620 the zone. I think one thing that's kind of became become clear to me about them is that their offense just absolutely has to be there in order to um you know, in order to get the most out of this group.

[00:06:38]And then you have to, you know, hope that a couple of guys in the pitching side are, you know, getting quality outs and innings for you at the right time.

[00:06:46]You're just, you're kind of hoping that that comes together. Is this cap is this team capable of advancing to a super regional? Absolutely. Yeah, there's there's no doubt about it. And especially if they're playing at home, uh, which is a legitimate possibility. I I'm recording this at the time where Nebraska is playing their opener against Minnesota. It's a competitive game.

[00:07:05]We'll see how this weekend looks. It's obviously very important. The Big 10 is quite good at the top. Uh UCLA is the best team in the country and they've only lost one conference game this year.

[00:07:15]They're bar none the best team in the country, best resume in the country. Um and then Nebraska, Oregon, USC uh who Nebraska swept this year. and uh I believe Purdue is is the next team kind of after that are the topish teams in the Big 10 who are all going to be in the NCA tournament with the exception of Purdue who's kind of on the bubble um at the moment. So there's four really good teams at the at the top there. Uh potentially as much as three as many as three hosts and um so you know unfortunately for Nebraska they've only played well I guess they played two out of the three. They did not get a crack at UCLA, but when they get to Omaha for the Big 10 tournament, maybe they will get a crack at UCLA, but yes, is my answer to that question. They will uh they are very capable of advancing to a super regional. We'll see what that draw looks like after next week. Jake and Fremont writes in, "This is a basketball question, which I like. Uh it seems Nebraska plays a lot of big games on Tuesdays in February, especially like Purdue. you think back to a couple years ago, can the no longer winless in the NCAA tournament Nebraska basketball team get the Michigan game on a Sunday on CBS? Great question. We did get the um we did get the conference opponents for this year. So, here are Nebraska's home games um in in the league this year. Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, Penn State, Ruters, UCLA, and USC. Obviously, you have Michigan coming to town, which kind of highlights the schedule there. That is the uh the defending national champions. Michigan State coming into town. There's a double play against them, double play against Penn State, which kind of eye roll at that one. And a double play uh that will stand for a long time, I think, against Iowa. So, you play them each of those three teams twice. Um and then UCLA, USC are are both obviously pretty uh pretty good programs. Um and um we'll see what Indiana does in in year two and under under Darren Deere and Michigan obviously won the national championship.

[00:09:16]It'd be really cool. I think it'd be a great nod to Nebraska if they were to get that Michigan game on a weekend. Um national audience like absolutely blow the whole thing out. I don't I don't know. there's there's so many big brands in the league, but I do think to Jake's point, I do think that them being in the national spotlight at the end of last year sincerely helps in that regard. And so maybe, just maybe, they can hold out hope that um they're going to have a chance to get that game on a on a Saturday afternoon or something like that or on a Sunday afternoon late in the season. I mean, that'd be so cool um for Nebraska. uh to to be able to do that. So, we will see. Um but I do think they have a better chance than they did last year and they're certainly not known for getting those big weekend games at home uh in uh in conference play. Hasn't happened a lot to them since they've been in the league. Here's Adam and Co, Kansas, as we wrap out this segment. So, I really enjoy the mailbag show, guys. Thanks, Adam. Hopefully, you're enjoying this one. Thanks for working with us as Husker fans and many irrational thoughts and unwarranted arrogance mainly with football. My main question after enjoying watching our softball team win some Big 10 trophies this year from capitalizing on recruiting and maintaining an elite level star. What would the Jordy from ball from uh equivalent in college football look like that Nebraska could get on the roster and keep for multiple years? Please don't say like it's a big name like a five-star high school quarterback recruit. get the uh I get the immediate sense to be uh a little bit weary about that given what Nebraska is just coming off of. It really is it really is sort of un I won't say that it's unprecedented because you know anything can happen in in college sports. Um but she won a you know was was basically a player of the year cowboy player at Oklahoma won a national championship and then transferred. Now, obviously the extenduating circumstance there is that she's from Nebraska um and you know kind of just decided that she wanted to be a part of it and um you know Mitch would be a lot better off in sort of understanding the ins and outs of what went into that decision.

[00:11:33]But it is very very unique. Um and the thing that I think Nebraska has done really well is they put a lot of talent around her and they've given them an actual chance to win a national championship. Maybe you could look back at her injury a couple of years ago and say, "Man, you get another year um with the talent they've put around her now."

[00:11:53]Um it's maybe that's a blessing in disguise. I don't have a cup. I wish I did. I I I really don't. But it it's it's it's better than having a five-star quarterback recruit um you know from a sporttoport perspective because we're talking about a person that already has proven production at the collegiate level on the national stage. I mean it'd be like you know name the biggest person in college football right now. It'd be like Jeremiah Smith transferring you know like it'd be it would be crazy. Um, and we've seen players like that transfer in college football, but I think it's rare to see them transfer from the school, the IT school, Oklahoma, um, in in the case of softball and let's say it's, you know, whatever Ohio State in in football to, you know, a local school, whatever, or to anywhere with the production underneath their belt. I mean, that's that is um that's quite the unique set of circumstances. So, yeah, it's it's a rare one. There's there's no doubt about it. All right, we have more questions uh from you all regarding Matt Rule and specifically asking if in retrospect Matt Rule was the only option to hire as the Nebraska football coach.

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[00:14:22]All right, welcome back and thanks for making Lockdown Nebraska your first listen. Thanks for making the Locked On podcast network the number one sports podcast network. Join the Everyday Air Club today. It is the time to do it. Add free shows, access to the group chat on Discord. It's all there for you. Find the link in the description to this podcast. Let's go to Vincent Nappa. Uh you guys are really thinking this week, which I really, really appreciate it.

[00:14:43]and making me think as well. Uh, happy Friday again. Thanks for always welcoming me to be a part of the program. It's an honor and that I don't take lightly. I shift this week's line of questioning to baseball with a Mount Rushmore theme. So, let's create a Nebraska baseball Mount Rushmore. I'm assuming you would pick Darren Irststad and Alex Gordon without batting. Pun intended. Nice. And I although if you have a dissenting opinion, feel free to say so. Assuming you pick Gordon and Urstad, who are your two other choices?

[00:15:10]So, I've always thought that this is a really like it's it's funny because I think you could define it pretty easily in in one way, but there's one question left out there. So, I think you have to put the two that Vince mentioned, Alex Gordon, Darren Erstad, you know, Darren Erststead the number one pick in the in the draft and and Alex Gordon uh in a longtime major leager and Alex Gordon the number two pick in the draft and a longtime major leager and a World Series champion and and took Nebraska to, you know, help Nebraska their first ever College World Series win in '05. Um, I always put Dave Van Horn on there. I mean, I I even though he wasn't a player, um I just think you need to put Dave Van Horn on the on the on the Mount Rushmore. If we're talking about most important figures in Nebraska baseball history, I just think you have to put Dave Van Horn on there. So, I think for me those three are locks um on the their faces are etched in the mountain no matter what. And then I think the fourth is really really up for debate. I think you could you could take somebody from that 05 team. You could, you know, you could take Jabba, who ended up being a a big leager. Um, you could, uh, you know, obviously and had a fantastic year. Um, a guy that I always have a soft spot for in my heart that I loved watch pitching was Shane Kina, who wasn't, you know, like he was throwing very hard, but he was throwing a lot of pitches and he went up against a lot of tough competition. Um, you know, you could throw some some, you know, some guys from even earlier potentially. You can go to like a Ken Harvey. Um, you know, you could go to any one of the big hitters in the in the era where Nebraska was going to the College World Series and they went three out of five years.

[00:16:54]Um, and you know, Matt Hopper or Curtis Led Better or or something like that. I I just I I think you got to put a pitcher there. And for me, the pitcher the quintessential pitcher in Nebraska baseball history is Shane Comey. Um, even though I think Jabba is probably the more heralded guy and some of that has to do with his career post Nebraska and you know what he went on to do in the major leagues and uh, you know, the job of rules and being a Yankee and and all those different things, he was a more famous player. Um, but Comey was, man, he was uh, he was awesome. There's a reason he's got his number on the outfield wall. So, give me give me those four. Give me Gordon Urstad. Uh Dave Van Horn and Shane Comey. Here is Scott and Windsor. Mitch and Connor. Sorry, just Connor today. Uh there has been a lot of complaining about Matt Rule, including from me, as he enters year four of his tenure. But in retrospect, there may have he may have been Trev Albert's best option at the time. Thinking about 2022, some of the more talked about candidates for the Nebraska head coaching job were the following. Lance Light, who this is all from Scott, plateaued at Kansas, Chris Kleman, who retired. Uh Matt Campbell, who is now at Penn State, Dave Doran, uh perpetually seven and five. This is all, as Scott puts it, Bill O'Brien perpetually looking for the next job.

[00:18:22]Gary Patterson, never again a head coach. Luke Vicle, one of the hot on the hottest of seats. After revisiting the 2022 coaching search, I am of the opinion that the rule hiring was still the best choice. What do you think? I agree. I I mean, you know, I I do think there is something in there where you can't necessarily look at uh the the names that were available only. Although, I do believe Nebraska's search came down to rule and fickle. Um, so if you get it down to those two, uh, I I prefer what Nebraska got. Um, I think he was the right hireer at the time and I still think he was the right hireer now. To to Scott's point, the the the problem for me is I wish that he had kind of stuck to his his guns a little bit and and what he was really trying to build when he got here. and we'll get to that as, you know, it's a good followup to this in in just a second and a question from Nick. Um, but yeah, I do think he was the right hireer. I I don't have any regrets about Nebraska hiring Matt Rule. I do think it was a little bit of, you know, a weak cycle. I don't know that you could just copy and paste all of those guys and what has happened in the last four years to them over to the Nebraska job. That's probably not fair because it, you know, it changes the game, you know, obviously completely. But I I I I do I I think Matt Rule is the right guy for the hire uh for the job at the time. And um I I don't think Nebraska regrets that at all. If it doesn't work out, then it doesn't work out. Here's Nick. He says um I keep hearing people talk about Nebraska's lack of coach continuity and how it's supposedly a big issue, but I don't buy it. Sure, back in the day, we had legends like Tom Osburn leading the offense for a generation and Charlie McBride running the defense for 17 years during which we picked up three national championships.

[00:20:16]But in my opinion, our success was less about continuity and more about the fact those guys were Hall of Fame coaches.

[00:20:23]Fast forward to modern football before NIL and the transfer portal took over. I think still valid. And uh look at Alabama. Sabin coached for 17 years and went through nine different offensive coordinators with the average tenure being just under two seasons. Yet Sabin kept winning titles and seamlessly transitioned between coaches. Doug Nusmeer stepped in for Jim Mwane after M. Wayne won the Natty and left for Colorado State and Doug won the national title again in his first year. Sabin was a master at finding the right coaches and getting the absolute best out of him. I know Rule isn't Sabin, but why can't Nebraska do something similar?

[00:21:00]saving constantly lost coaches to better jobs elsewhere. But he just shrugged it off, hired another top-notch coach and barely skipped the beat. Meanwhile, at Nebraska, when we lose a good coach, it feels like a tragedy because we struggle with so much to find solid replacements.

[00:21:13]So, my question is this.

[00:21:16]Why can't we have the kind of resilience and success at hiring Nebraska? Is it really about continuity or is it about finding the right people? Thanks for the great show and tackling my question. I think it's a fantastic observation and a and and a fantastic question to go along with it. So, thanks Nick. I would say this. Um, I I I believe that there is a lot of truth to what you're saying.

[00:21:35]Sometimes you just a great coach can coach great coaches and will continue to turn out great coaches. But why does that happen? Yeah, in part because Nick Sabin has magic, right? There's no doubt he's one of the best of all time. And so, you just have to kind of like, you know, you have to write some of it off to Sabin being Sabin. I also think part of what made that happen is they really established what they wanted to be and and who they wanted to be and then recruited to it and had a had a had a program and um you know understood what they were going to be about and then coaches turned in and and and once you come into that program you have no choice once you have an established culture and once you have an established identity and you're a new coach and it doesn't matter where you come from doesn't matter If you've been churned and burned, doesn't matter. If you're have have had success at other places and you're riding high and you got a huge promotion, you show up at Alabama, you have no choice if you walk into that program under Nick Savings Alabama to to sort of conform and and you know, get in line sort of. I mean, that sounds a little, you know, militaryish, I suppose, but that's it.

[00:22:49]They Nick Sabin created that at Alabama.

[00:22:53]Um, and it just kept churning and churning and churning. It's like a machine in that way. And so I think there's some truth to, you know, the continuity part being a big deal. I think the continuity part is a big deal. Um, and I especially think it's a big deal for Matt Rule in getting the program off the ground. Um, if you look at some of Sabin's earlier uh teams at at Alabama, it there wasn't a whole lot of turnover early. The turnover came more rapidly later as they as they won and they were established and all the stuff like that. So, I think that's an important thing to note um here in this conversation as well. But a really, really good question. All right, we have a few more. When we come back, uh we have uh a variety of different questions covering a bunch of different sports.

[00:23:42]We'll do that right after this on the Lockdown Nebraska podcast.

[00:23:51]All right, here we go. Sending you off into the weekend on the Locked on Nebraska podcast. Let's go to Megan in Omaha. Softball questions. Thank you, Meg, for the mailbag. What did you think of the Huskers Big 10 tournament play?

[00:24:04]There were many great things in my opinion, but the best was the pitching.

[00:24:08]From pitched two complete games, including only allowing two runs, one of the uh against one of the best offenses of the country, Jensen also pitch a complete game. Shout out to a very good offense. I heard a sports talk personality say that if the Huskers do not win the College World Series this year, then the from era at Nebraska is a bust. What do you think of that take? I think it's ridiculous. I could see uh I could more see it's a huge disappointment if they don't make the College World make the College World Series, but saying they have to win it seems way over the top for me. Wonder what your thoughts are on that. It does.

[00:24:40]It's just really hard to win a national championship. It doesn't matter if you're the most stacked team of all time or if you're the team of destiny. There only gets to be one every year. So, it's really hard. Like it would be disappointing if at the end of the season they get to the national championship, you know, final, the three-game final, and they lose. Like that would that would suck. But I think it's different than that's certainly a lot different than saying this was not a success. I I think Jordy from um you know, impact will be felt for a long time at at Nebraska softball in theory.

[00:25:14]And you have Alexis Jensen there who will be there for a long time and then her impact will be felt for a long time.

[00:25:19]And so if Nebraska can capitalize off of this and stay relevant as a nationally known program for years after this, then obviously the Jordy from era was worth it. And worth it is just such a weird thing because you're you're not going to not want her to be to be in your program.

[00:25:41]You know what I mean? Like what's the downside um of of of having her in there? So, you know, even if they do fall short of expectations, even if they don't make the College World Series, the Women's College World Series, then you're going to go back in time and retroactively say that she should have never, you know, they should have never taken her in the first place? No. Wrong.

[00:25:59]They've won so many games and they've done so many great things over the last couple years. So, um, it is a bit over the top to say it would be, you know, a failure if they don't win. With that being said, I think they should have the expectation to win it. um uh to to be in that in that final or um certainly make it to there. Um but then it's it's a roll of the dice from there. And so no, it's it wouldn't be a failure. That much is for sure. Here's Sean in Omaha. Sean runs down. By the way, is a long email from Sean. We appreciate it. Uh so I I kind of shortened up the first couple paragraphs and then I I let him go here at the end. So here it is. Sean runs down his thoughts on the Rule era and how it got sidetracked after getting Raiola, which I is a point I generally agree with, by the way. He also writes this, "Overall, I think Rule has done a lot to rebuild the behind-the-scenes structure of the program. The off-field side of Nebraska football feels like it is in better shape than it's been since the Frank Solich era. Recruiting, player development, culture, media presence, fundraising, and general organization all seem much stronger than they have been in a long time. I also hate the criticism that Rule gets for his off the- field media appearances, podcasts, appearances on the McAfee Show, things like that. The stuff is not a distraction for the program. It is for the program. It helps recruiting. It highlights the good things that happen at Nebraska. It helps with fundraising.

[00:27:24]It pulls back the curtain on a historic program and keeps Nebraska relevant nationally. And honestly, Tom Osborne did similar things in his era. He had a weekly coaching show, too. The difference is today that everything gets cl posted and debated and turned into headlines instantly. I understand the frustration from fans and rule deserves some criticism, but I also think that there are people underestimating how much the program he has already rebuilt, especially behind the scenes. Curious what you think. Yeah, I think that's well laid out, Sean. Um I think that Mitch and I are both on this podcast um have agreed before that the that the negativity is a little bit over the top.

[00:27:59]you know, just because he's on the radio or just because he's on McAfee show doesn't mean that every word come come out that comes out of his mouth is is a bad thing. I I do think he has the tendency to um you know, I've said this many many times before. I think he has the tendency to uh you know, worry about the wrong things sometimes. Um and I think he really sees it as his job to be a promoter for the program. Not all coaches see it that way. and and I'm glad that he is embracing that piece of it. I don't need I don't know that he needs to embrace it necessarily as much as he does. Um but it's that that's a part of who he is. Um and that's that's a good thing and he certainly has a way of talking about uh you know being positive. There's no doubt about about Nebraska. Um, and I do think that there Sean's main point of of the program being in a better position than it was a handful of years ago is absolutely true. I I think their I think their foundation is stronger. Um, you know, I think top to bottom their roster is is is has, you know, marginally and improved over that period of time. And and my my my problem is um and this is where I always thought that we would get to with rule, by the way. I thought we would get to this point and say, man, he's he is a floor raiser, but is he a ceiling raiser? I think, you know, this we have some hints on that so far. And my my my gut says that he's not a ceiling raiser at at the at the moment. Um, this year will go a long way, I think, in in telling us the answer. Has he raised the floor? And is has has he done um you know that hard piece of it so far? Yeah, I think he's I think he's accomplished a lot. There's no doubt about it. And and the program does seem you know cleaner um in all the ways that Sean mentioned.

[00:29:57]But I'm wondering what the next step is.

[00:29:59]There's no doubt. And so this year is going to help us help us um you know figure that out one way or the other.

[00:30:07]and then we'll continue on and sort of evaluate it as we go. But yeah, I do think the criticism is a little over the top as we've talked about before. And then we finish with this. Not really much of a question, but more of a deal with uh Greg and Broken Arrow. He says, "Hi fellas, I'd be happy to accept nine and three for 2026 and then look forward to 2027. How about you, Greg? I tell you what, I will take that deal any day of the week, my friend. If you're offer, we are in um as I told Mitch last week, there's going to be periods of time over the next several weeks as we head into the summer where I will be just randomly offering you contracts and uh asking if you would sign on the dotted line or take any other potential result. And uh if Greg and Broken Arrow is offering me a nine and three, I'm taking it. I am signing on the dotted line and then moving on to to whatever is next and not thinking about it again. So, a good proposition there from Greg. All right, we appreciate you guys. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for bearing with me today on Lockdown Nebraska. Be sure to join us uh next week as well. We'll probably be a little bit up and down in terms of the podcast release schedule next week. We got a lot of stuff going on. We'll uh we'll cover that as we uh as we go on throughout the start of the week. Next week, Everyday Air Club built for you. Like I said, add free episodes, members only Discord access, and more.

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