This video presents a theological debate where a Muslim scholar argues that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather a 'holy ghost' (pneuma hagios), based on the Greek etymology of the term. The speaker contends that 'pneuma' in Greek can mean 'ghost' or 'spirit,' and that the Holy Spirit appeared in the form of a dove, which cannot be God itself. The argument challenges the Christian doctrine of the Trinity by suggesting that the Holy Spirit is a separate entity from God, not sharing the same divine essence. The debate also examines biblical passages like Matthew 1:20 and Revelation 5:6 to support the interpretation that the Holy Spirit is a messenger or intermediary rather than God.
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no,... Eertya I see your face is like a serving lid. [laughs] Yeah. [cheering] Hello. Good morning to the pioneer.
Where is this from? Christian or Muslim?
Yes. Hello, Brother Juma.
Hello too. Good night.
Yes, at night too. From me from the Christian religion, Mang.
Yes, please. There is a theme that the Holy Spirit is no longer God. Please.
[snorts] Let's not beat around the bush, okay... Yes It's true that you were the only ones who were rambling.
Yes, we'll just focus on the topic of Brother.
Yes, yes, yes. The Holy Spirit is essentially God with a question mark behind it.
Yes.
Ah, so you're still asking this because he is the Holy Spirit and became a dove. God cannot possibly be a bird.
Yes So what do you think, bro?
Well, it's impossible for God to be a bird, right?
I want to hear your explanation first, okay? [clears throat] Okay. Good.
So Christians actually only took the word Holy Spirit from the Holy Quran. The Christian scriptures are in Greek and in Greek there is no word for Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit are two words that come from Arabic that are in the Qur'an.
nazalahu ruhulusika bilhaq is from the Quran, the translator is a person who is trained to practice the teachings of Philippians 118, deceiving, pretending, and being fake, right?
[applause] Then when talking about Greek, it says peneuma hogeos or hagios, which means that peneuma can be interpreted as a ghost.
As in Luke 22 number 37 eh 24 number 37.
Benuma is a ghost, Penum Hagios is pure, pure ghost or holy ghost.
[laughs] How long was that?
In Luke 24.
Luke 24 verse ee 37. They were shocked and frightened because they thought they saw a ghost.
Brother, can you open it? Brother, open it, Lukas.
Yes, can. Please wait. But this is my cellphone. Wait wait wait wait. Can, can. I can help, bro. Please wait. Let's see first.
Be patient, I'll type it first and then I'll show it to you.
Oh, because I'm still young. K look. Please be patient, bro.
Okay.
John 4 number ee 23 yeah.
John 4 number 24.
Okay, let's see.
Yes Is my network stable?
Take it, bro.
Yes Wait.
Okay.
Then talk about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit.
We take the Holy Spirit from Mark. Markus eh yes Markus 3 number 22 yes. Tour 29. Be patient, bro.
Yes, sir.
Eh, in the form of a dove. I'll prepare the data first, okay, bro? Because you asked to be shown, right? Is it true, spirit? [snorts] Okay, be patient, bro.
H and [clears throat] sky.
Mentar.
Okay. How come it's like this?
How can that be?
Al Sabda, the Bible of the Word. Okay, Mark 10.
Mark 1 number 10, the Bible of the Word. Are you still waiting, bro?
Yes, still waiting, bro.
Okay, just a little bit more, bro.
Okay, I'll try this one. The dove of the Holy Spirit Mark 10 Mark 3. The dove.
Another. I need three data.
Okay, he went down the water and well here he is Mark 3.
Okay.
Then his mangit carried 12 Mark 3 yes.
Let's see, bro. Yes, I turned the camera around.
rotate the camera.
Then so that it could be bigger I made it bigger like this. Well, [clears throat] okay. We see this is the argument of Luke 24.
They were shocked and afraid and claimed that they were seeing a ghost.
They were shocked, scared and thought they had seen a ghost. Ghost in Greek we click here.
There is a word ghost here. I clicked to read the verse until the end first, bro.
No, I'll take this one first. The Greek word for ghost is pineo.
No. We have to take this.
What should we take, bro?
we have to read. Wait, no, it's not me, I want to take one word first.
Pneuma means ghost.
Now this, now this, bro.
Now it's like this, Bang Juma. Listen, okay?
We are you, don't don't don't do n't first Bang.
They were shocked and scared, thinking they saw a ghost.
What is the Greek word for ghost here? Pneuma. This is pneuma.
Then the one below. Continue, continue, continue the next verse, bro.
Then, then in John, John 4 number 24. God exists, God is spirit.
God is a spirit, he said. Well, what is the spirit here? Let's see what this spirit says.
Read, read, read all the way to the bottom. Bang Juma, this is Bang Juma. Bang Juma, we are disciplined, God is God, we are the recipient.
Pneuma is a ghost. God is a ghost, he said.
So when it is said that the Holy Spirit came, then what came there was a ghost, a holy ghost.
[laughs] Yes, if we use everyday language, that's how it is, Bang Juma. But we are holy ghosts, right, [laughs] holy ghosts, Sis. Yes, so it's cancelled. Because it's impossible for God to be a ghost, right?
That's what it means, bro.
Brother Juma.
Yes Let's read the verse until the end first, bro.
Yes, please open it.
Please open your data. [laughs] Christian. Kristen's blow on is too much.
Now it's like this, Bang Juma.
Hmm.
Please.
Bro, I can't answer this bro.
Prove it first. I've already proven it, right? The Holy Spirit is a holy ghost, right?
Yes, you're down. If you can't accept my explanation, you can get off. It's okay. No problem, bro. Bro, now it's like this, Bang Jo.
Eh, that's why from the start I was talking specifically about Abang's theme, okay?
Yes The Holy Spirit is no longer God. Why did the Holy Spirit fail to become God?
Because the Holy Spirit, according to the Greek language, is penehagios.
Penehagios means holy ghost, right, sir?
The meaning of Abang Arab is the Indonesian word for Pekos, right?
I already showed the comparison earlier, right?
Well, now the second way to prove that the Holy Spirit is not God.
You may read.
Oh, you don't want to discuss this. You want to confide.
We want to discuss with knowledgeable people, not people who want to complain. Bro, it's already 10 o'clock. in my place came upstairs just sulking. Bang Jum, we [snort] read one passage from Bang Juma.
Bang Juma read the next data Bang Juma. Bang Juma is always like that. Huh, it continued like that until the horse could brush its own teeth.
Oh my God, you guys really are. If not, it's not ongol, that's not the name, you have to go ongol first, bro suma. Oh, bro, Suma. Bang Suma next Bang Suma. Brother Suma.
Hello. Good night spirit.
Hello. Good night. Peace be upon you, Brother Juma. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you, too. From which religion, bro?
From Islam. M Oh, Islam.
Hey, there's something I want to convey from Kalimat ee Hello, good evening.
[clears throat] Hello, good evening.
Good night, too. Where are you from, bro?
From Christian, sir.
Okay, please open the camera.
Please.
Hello.
Please. Please. Please. Open the camera first, bro.
Oh yes. Ready.
Yes Yes How is this, Mang?
Yes There is a theme.
Hehe.
Please. The Holy Spirit is no longer God.
According to Brother Juma, what does that mean?
Yes, the Holy Spirit is not God, bro.
The Holy Spirit is just a spirit. The Holy Spirit. Meanwhile he appeared in the form of a dove. The creator of heaven and earth never appeared [snort] appeared like that. The teachings of the prophets never taught that God appeared in the form of a dove.
Please, bro. The Holy Spirit is no longer God.
Yes, because it is not God. Please.
This means that the Holy Spirit was once God but in the end [clears throat] was not God. Is that so?
No. When Christians want Muslims to believe that the Holy Spirit is God, it turns out that the divinity of the Holy Spirit was first invalidated before entering the realm of Islam.
[applause] The Holy Spirit brick is so comprehensive.
So when you convert from Christianity to Islam, it is null and void.
Yes, that's right, sir.
That's right.
Good.
According to Kristi, what does G mean by spirits? The spirit that exists in human life, if it is emphasized on humans, is a creature.
Well, holy means sacred.
Well, the Holy Spirit is impossible for humans on this earth. What happened was the power of God, the power of God that could happen so that it was called the Holy Spirit.
So, if a human's spirit is holy, that's what God means.
Not always humans [shouting] are holy.
Yes, that spirit is holy, Bro. There is no sinful spirit. [laughs] Yeah, don't worry.
No, humans are not always holy. So, the holy one is God himself, that's all.
Huh?
How to hunt pigeons? Is it Holy or not?
How? Are you hunting for holy doves?
What does dove hunting have to do with God's holiness?
Well, this is your fault, you don't understand here. The Holy Spirit has come. The Holy Spirit once came in the form of a dove.
[laughs] So where did I go wrong?
Where did I go wrong? So.
Yes It's not God's dove, my brother [laughs] it's not the bird that's God.
Then what?
But the Spirit of God came in the form of a dove.
Yes, that's it. That's why the time to hunt doves is God. It doesn't mean that [laughs] if God comes in the form of a dove, it's not that the dove is God, but it's God's spirit.
How do you say God comes like a bird and tries to open the minds of the people so that they can be healthy. Yes, now I say that if Bang Zuma makes God's dove, it means that Bang Zuma has failed to understand, it means that he has failed to understand.
Yes, what form did it come in earlier?
Your Lord came in the form of the Holy Spirit. God himself came in the form of the Spirit through the dove.
Well, that's it [laughs] what's wrong with that? A dove is a dove, bro, not God. Is the dove God?
Can you please try to straighten your brain a little?
You are the one whose brain needs to be straightened out. Well, let me ask first, is the dove God?
I answered, yes.
God is not not not the dove.
Yeah, [laughs] that means it failed, that means it failed. The failed regent failed to become God [laughs] not the pigeon that failed to become God.
Pigeon hunting failed. [laughs] It's true that birds of prey fail to become God. But the Holy Spirit cannot be disqualified from being God.
Yes The Holy Spirit can be God.
How's the story? While he is a pigeon hunter.
Who said the Holy Spirit [laughs] was a dove? It's great that your book says that.
Mark 110. Listen, listen, listen, listen.
Allah came heh in the form of a dove through the dove. What if we see God? It's impossible [laughs] that we can't see Allah because Allah is not a dove.
We can see the dove because the dove is not God.
Who said that it was the dove of God? Allah. God is a dove, that is God who your book says he came in the form of a dove, my book says he resembles a dove, so we [clears throat] can't say that the dove is God, no, okay, that means your God resembles not God, right? [laughs] Yes, your God came in the form of not God, namely a dove [laughs] is that right?
Now, let me illustrate you so you can be open, yes, please open your mind. Please, now the President sends the H letter to RT, ee, via whom?
Via post office or via delivery. Post. Yes So, is it said that the person who delivered the message was the president or as an usher?
Courier delivery.
Oh, that's Bang Juma's brain [laughs].
Oh, so that's correct, right? This means that your God must be Bang Juma so that you don't turn left, right, left, right.
Hehe. This means the president came, meaning the president came in the form of a courier.
Well, let me straighten it out again. [laughs] Now the President sends KT letters via courier.
Courier.
Now. Uh.
So, does that mean the courier is called the president or the courier? It's the courier.
Yes If God comes, if God comes in the form of a dove, yes the dove is a dove, but God through the dove actually enters the straight muscle.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. The true meaning is distorted so that you can find rice. Don't.
Okay. Okay. My question is well let me return the analogy. I return it.
Was the courier the same essence as the current president?
[laughs] Don't laugh, don't laugh, don't laugh, don't laugh. Bro [laughs] is the courier of the same essence as the president?
Come on, is the dove of the same essence as God?
Now now. Now here it is.
Now now his teeth are chattering [snort] [laughs] the truth. Listen, listen.
Your sentence in essence cannot be interpreted directly.
Oh no, you can't. In your concept, three persons are one essence. That's right.
Courier.
Ouch. Now we have to go east, yes, president.
Don't run anywhere.
Don't run anywhere, two individuals, one essence. [laughs] Don't run anywhere just yet.
Oh my [laughs] what an immoral debate. I had to laugh because I then managed to prove that the Holy Spirit is not God. [laughs] You argue but I can't prove the courier is not the president.
[laughs] Now what now? Yes And earlier you said eh Allah. I said that God came flying a dove. You say the dove is God or not?
I said no.
No. No.
Well now I illustrate. [laughs] Now I illustrate.
Yes The president sent a letter via courier. Is the courier the courier said to be the president or not?
No, it's not. Don't run away from the reality [laughs] okay.
Okay. We have to separate.
Okay. Now I want to ask you a question.
Is the Holy Spirit who resembles a dove of the same essence as Elohim?
Oh Christ.
[laughs] I said hello.
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Where are you going?
Don't mix it up with reality.
Where are you going? Where are you going? Talking we talk [shouting] it [cheering] resembles loh. We have to follow that, you know.
Where are you going? My question is, is the Holy Spirit of the same essence as Father Elohim?
Bird. You have to get used to birds and [laughs] Allah.
Yes, birds are related to Allah. [screaming] Yes.
Is the Holy Spirit consubstantial?
Is the Holy Spirit of the same essence as Elohim?
Listen, listen. The dove is like God. Is it the same? No.
No. No way.
That's what it means. But he resembles not determination.
Mom. That's why the Holy Spirit failed to become God.
Ouch.
Now. Ah, [laughs] now that's how it is. I'll ask back now. I'll ask back now. I asked back.
Yes Ready.
Now I ask back.
Please.
If God came in the form of a dove, that means the dove is not God, right?
Obviously not. God has become no longer God, so don't let the phrase " hunting pigeons is not God" be added again. Your God descended into a dove. That means your God has descended into not being God.
Down to become not to resemble.
Ah, that means your God came to resemble not God.
Not God. Not God, huh?
Allah.
Yes Well, it doesn't resemble God.
It has to fit the realm so we can unlock [laughs] the pattern.
Yes It's up to you, Ten. It's up to you to like it so you can be happy. Allah is not God. God who comes like a dove yes.
Yes Allah came down.
Allah came to resemble not Allah.
[laughs] That's chasing doves, not Allah. Cak kangkung resembles. Must separate. [laughs] Yeah. This means that Allah came in the form of a non-Allah, namely a sparrow. Eh, dove.
[laughs] God came in the form of a dove.
Well, that means that neither the bird nor the dove is God.
Yes indeed. But the dove hunter is not God. But your God came down like no God.
God [laughs] who? I, I, we, the theme is Allah, yes. earlier from the beginning [clears throat] you like it, you like it, you are my friend from the beginning we talked about Allah, yes, not God, yes, we have to separate them, what's the difference, apparently, oh my, oh my [laughs] you're just talking, what's the difference, what's the difference between God and Allah, God has many interpretations, many meanings, but here we are talking about Allah, yes, from the beginning we were talking about [clears throat] Allah.
What about God?
What about God?
Allah is Allah who is the creator of the heavens and the earth.
If God is the same as you, you were also created by Allah.
Yes If God is God, don't run to God anymore. We speak of Allah. Ouch.
[laughs] [screams] [laughs] [screams] [snorts] Bro [laughs] my brain is just zero, guys [screams] [cheers] this person is going on [laughs] people keep interpreting Yes, those are just two of them [laughs] just funny this is funny.
He himself [laughs] who canceled the Holy Spirit, not God, not me.
[laughs] I'm not saying the Holy Spirit is God.
But earlier we talked about the Holy Spirit, God came in the form of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, I just [clears throat] straightened out what I meant earlier.
God comes like a dove. That's right.
But don't be so, don't say that I said I'm not God. Don't. It's your fault.
God comes like a dove.
That's right.
Yes That's right. Is that dove God?
What is a dove? It's not God, but it's a creature.
Well, no. It's a creature. This means that Allah descended in the form of a creature.
[screams] [laughs] Awesome.
Now I can explain.
Can you hear it? [laughs] You can hear him talking, he's the one who's denying it. [laughs] Oh my gosh, continue, bro. Carry on.
I said earlier that bird [clears throat] that bird is just a bird.
Yes And your God became a bird. That means your God becomes not God.
Not to be, not to resemble.
Not being like means your God, means your God resembles not God as an intermediary.
Intermediary. Understand? [laughs] That means your God comes to resemble not God.
[laughs] That guy is very wrong. Let me straighten it out. Try to be quiet. You keep quiet so you understand what I mean.
Can. Well, you can.
You don't add any more that means the bird eh is not eh Allah is not a peacock. Not a peacock.
Hurry up, pigeons, shut up, I haven't finished talking, shut up. [laughs] That's it, that's it, come up with a dove.
Pigeons. Ah the dove the dove is a creature.
Listen, listen, you understand.
The dove is a bird.
Can the bird you tried speak politely?
I want to listen seriously.
The dove is the one that should not be cut. If people speak, please, I speak, you doves, don't cut them. What does this mean, bro?
The pigeon is not cut.
I mean using a wall clock, using a wrist watch. Pigeons. I'm talking, you shut up, listen, understand, then you can talk when you've finished talking. Okay.
Oh, that's what I meant. I thought the pigeon was wearing a watch but it was empty.
Don't, don't you don't you don't you proclaim my sentence in the things you laugh at for you your own god.
Okay. [laughs] Wait a minute, wait a minute, bro. Is the dove hunting God?
No.
Is the dove God? No.
Okay.
Your God came to resemble something that is not God.
Your God comes to resemble what is not God, namely, starch. That means your God came down to earth in a form other than God.
Okay, can I answer?
Okay, go ahead.
You can answer. Of course you can. This world wouldn't be funny if you didn't talk.
God comes like a dove.
That dove is a bird.
But God came through the intermediary of the bird. Because God is visible to the naked eye as humans cannot see.
Okay. The bird is a blind bird, that's what it means.
Oh, Brother Juma, you said you can't see.
Bang Juma understands. Open your ears, open your mask, open your handset so you can hear my words clearly. [laughs] You yourself said that blind pigeons can't see. What does that mean?
Who was the one who said that the bird was blind?
Who was the one who said that the bird was blind?
You said earlier that you were blind and couldn't see.
You are the idiot. You didn't hear what I meant.
Oh yes. Try repeating. Try repeating.
God came in the form of a dove.
Point. Okay. [clears throat] Is the dove God or not?
It's a bird, bro.
Well, that means Allah descended like a bird. That's right.
Yes that's right.
Well, is a bird God?
Not God in ee means your God is Heeh. It means your God comes to resemble neither God nor Allah. Done right?
Okay. That means I'm asking back, right?
Done right?
That means you mean your assumption says that if so you answer like that, if so you answer like that means your assumption is that God is God. The Regent was also appointed by God. Is that possible or not? It was you who said that.
That's what you'll return.
You said it yourself.
[laughs] I said, I said according to the narrative you built.
You say Allah descended like a dove.
The dove is a creature.
Ah. Is this creature God?
No.
No. Is the dove God?
No.
Carry on.
Is the dove God?
No. That's a bird, right?
Ah, that means Allah came down in the form of a bird, not Allah. That's right.
You understand what I mean by God coming down [laughs] not taking the form of God, right?
Your God descended in the form of a bird where the bird is a creature means your God descended in the form of a creature. Is that right? Correct.
So, is that creature ala or not?
The creature was a bird.
God or not?
The bird is indeed God.
I asked again, the bird is God, is n't it?
Divinely the bird is a bird yes. The divinity of God [laughs] hear hear [laughs] there is a new dove in a divine way. [laughs] Oh dear.
[laughs] Oh bro, what is this like, Bro Pe?
listen listen [laughs] redimana red stupid how can he be quiet [laughs] his emotions.
His emotions are just our emotions [laughs].
The divinity of God is [snort] the divinity of God is [clears throat] the divinity of God is the dove of God.
Still God.
Still God.
So what becomes of the dove? So what becomes of the dove?
He came bringing news, conveying information [clears throat] via pigeon, listen first. Don't be so [laughs] people laugh read the comments below.
[laughs] I read the comments below and laughed. Oh my [laughs] this is going to make me laugh.
[laughs] Allahu Akbar.
Your Lord descended like a dove. Where the dove is a creature that is a bird.
[laughs] That means your God came down like a bird which is not God. Finished.
That's why I said the Holy Spirit is not God. He canceled it. Fail. There's more.
[laughs] You yourself proved that the Holy Spirit is not God. You are the one who proves it, not me. The Holy Spirit is God. Where does God come from? God is God means creator.
Allah.
Allah is his name.
What's your name? What's your name? Allah is the name of God.
Oh God, that means it's smart.
So you said earlier that you are God. How is your God?
You are my God [laughs] You are the Holy Spirit, your God who is the dove.
The dove is your God. [laughs] I said earlier [laughs] who deifies birds?
Who are you to deify birds?
Where do you come from?
Yes, those are the three persons of your God. Father, Father is a seven-horned, seven-eyed spirit. Ana is from seven, where is she from?
Huh?
Where did the seven gems come from?
Revelation 5 number 6. The Christian God has seven horns and eyes.
Okay. Listen, Bang Juma. If Bang Juma wants to interpret verses from the holy book, I don't interpret what is written that way, how come it is interpreted. Listen, listen, listen, you have to read it completely to get the meaning there.
But if Bang Cuma just takes two or two sentences, Bang Cuma will be stuck there, Bang Cuma. Yes, that's the reason. That's the reason.
You may make money here by using the verses, but try to read them completely. [laughs] Bro, if I read the book of Revelation, it will never change from seven eyes to one eye or three eyes. It's still seven, bro.
[laughs] That's an interpretation because the Bible is forgiving, right? I don't interpret it as written that way. It's written like that, but that's my interpretation.
Why multiple interpretations? It has been said there that why do you interpret it that way? I don't interpret what is meant differently. You are the one who interprets the meaning, not me. You send you send that sentence to things that actually can't not make sense.
You're the one interpreting it, not me. Earlier, someone said that it says that your God has seven horns and seven eyes. Those are the seven spirits of God sent to earth.
It's clear. [applause] Try verse 10.
Come on, read it. I'm the one reading it.
Prove it. Try to show it like the room earlier.
Wow, that's really brave. Dare you. Why not dare? So that you are healthy, right?
Don't be crazy, doves are worshipped permanently. How is it?
Moreover, I am a worshipper of swearing.
Who is the one who is chasing the dove? My brother just confessed.
Don't push aside your opinion, bro. Juma once again I say do not sideline opinion.
Oh, what's the story? You are a dove worshipper. Eh, whose dove do you worship?
Well, you are a worshiper of the Holy Spirit, he said.
Huh?
There are worshippers of the Holy Spirit. This brother.
Oh, Juma Juma.
Revelation 5 number 6.
Hm. So I saw in the middle of the thrones of the four creatures and in the middle of the elders stood a lamb as if it had been slain.
Seven horns, seven eyes. These are the seven spirits of God that were sent throughout the earth.
[applause] It has seven horns and seven eyes.
That has a lot of meanings, right?
Oh, you interpreted it means I didn't interpret it according to what was written.
Seven horns, seven eyes.
Those are the seven Roteos who were sent to all the earth.
This is your God.
Ask me, ask me, bro. Hmm.
What?
How many angels are there? I think I think you want to say are the horns for sale?
Seven horns, yes.
Huj asked, I asked Bang Juma.
Eh, if you want to interpret, don't interpret, right?
So what? Why ask that? Why did you run to the angel? It doesn't talk about angels.
It talks about Jesus, the lamb with seven horns and seven eyes.
[laughs] Earlier the dove hunt failed, now the seven-marked lamb fails again.
Seven [laughs] Who is that?
Oh my God. These are the seven Roteos who were sent.
There is God written there. [laughs] It says God there.
That's God, bro. It's written there that Allah is God.
Oh, sir.
[laughs] What's wrong with this guy? Have you forgotten? Jesus is a lamb.
Was the lamb forgotten? Ah, there's always something new, bro. This lamb was forgotten.
Don't you feel sorry for the lamb?
That's God, bro. Why have you forgotten now, Bro?
Where are you going, bro? Here, please.
My brother, why do you have to go, Brother?
You should just stay here with your brother.
Instead you went away, brother [groans] leaving the female bird.
Funny, that brother was funny.
[laughs] Doves are bird-like creatures.
The Lord came down in the form of a bird. Birds are not God. This means that God came down in the form of someone other than God. It's clear he was angry when he was told that.
Hello, good afternoon. Cover the pan. How are you?
[snorts] Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Are there onde-onde?
[clears throat] Yes.
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[clears throat] Copy. Transmitted 2 M.
Please.
[sighs] Hello. Good night spirit.
Hello, Brother Tedi Kalengkongan.
See you again, bro.
You're not afraid of me, bro.
Bro, you're not afraid of How are you, Bro?
Good night.
Good evening, bro. Haven't slept yet? When I opened it, Bang Juma was live. [snorts] Yeah, thank goodness.
Please, Brother, respond to my theme.
Well, this is the theme, bro.
Hmm. The Holy Spirit is no longer God.
Yes The Holy Spirit is never cancelled, bro.
Because God never cancels.
Yes If God is indeed, but this is the problem, the Holy Spirit is invalid. The Holy Spirit is God, bro.
What is the reason?
That's what I told you to read 3 days ago.
Where is the evidence that the Holy Spirit is God?
Matthew 1 verse 20.
Where does it say that the Holy Spirit of God is not there? No [laughs] there isn't, bro. It says there that the angel of the Lord said, he.
That Mary contained the Holy Spirit.
Yes, it contains the Holy Spirit. When was God conceived by humans? It doesn't make sense.
The angel said, "Hm, you should name him Jesus."
Huh?
What?
Because he will wait. Wait, wait, wait. Yeah, wait, bro. The reason first.
Where is the evidence? The Holy Spirit is God.
Try reading John 1, eh what?
Matthew 1 verse 20.
Matthew 1 number 20. It's not there, my brother.
Not talking about that, about God there.
Try reading it.
Matthew or Mark, bro? [snorts] Matius, Bro. Matthew 1 verse 20, bro.
Oh, Matthew 1.
Mmm, what does it say, Bro?
Try reading it, bro.
Brother, read it. I'm in the mountains, there's no Bible here.
Please.
Hang on, bro. My eyes are not clear enough. The lights aren't bright enough, bro.
Wait a minute, bro.
Yes [coughs] [clears throat] Matthew 120.
Where did God's horn come from when conceived by humans?
Maria is cute, bro. If you read Matthew 1 200 it's funny. I laughed for sure.
Matthew 1 verse 20, bro.
Huh.
until the 23rd verse.
Yes, I read it, bro.
may.
But when he considered this purpose, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for [clears throat] the child in her womb is of the Holy Spirit."
Yes That [laughs] she will give birth to a son e and you will name him Jesus because he is the one who will save his people from their sins.
This happened so that what was said by God by the Prophet might be fulfilled.
Indeed, the child of blood will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call his name Immanuel, which means God with us.
So, where's the evidence, bro? If the Holy Spirit is God, he is the womb of Mary.
[laughs] So what I read to the Holy Spirit is what was in Mary's womb.
[laughs] Yeah. There is absolutely no divine element there.
W there it is very clearly stated that the Holy Spirit was conceived, Mary was pregnant.
Hmm.
What does it mean for Mary to contain the Holy Spirit, Bro?
There the angel of the Lord explained the meaning of Mary's conception by the Holy Spirit.
Mary, without having sexual intercourse with Joseph, conceived by the Holy Spirit.
The angel told Joseph that Joseph should name him Jesus because He was the one who would save his people from their sins. So, whose people are we, Bro?
There it was explained by the angel of God that He was the one who would save His people from their sins.
So that what God said by the Prophet might be fulfilled.
Behold, the child of blood will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call his name Immanuel, which means God with us.
So God was with humans at that time, Bro. But people do not know Him.
Humans only know that he is the son of Joseph the carpenter.
So it is clear that at that time God was with humans but humans did not know Him.
It's like I said to Bang Juma, I'm very happy with Bang Juma who memorized all the contents of the Bible. It's just a shame that Bang Juma wasn't given the gift by God to understand.
Yes How do you understand a human being is conceived by the Holy Spirit? Contains the Holy Spirit that we are discussing. The Holy Spirit failed to be God.
Where is the evidence? Where is the evidence?
The Holy Spirit is God.
I answered.
Yes Where is the evidence that the Holy Spirit is God?
I answer this theme.
Hehe.
That the Holy Spirit never ceases to be God because the Holy Spirit is God.
So, where is the proof that the Holy Spirit is God? I've been waiting for that for a while, but there's been no answer yet.
You showed that Matthew 1 does not contain any evidence that the Holy Spirit is God.
What you explained earlier has been explained.
The angel of the Lord said, Joseph, you should name him Jesus because He is the one who will save His people from their sins.
Where is it written in the Holy Spirit that the Holy Spirit is God, bro? Why is that the Holy Spirit? Where is the Holy Spirit?
What is meant by the angel of God is the Holy Spirit, right? What about the Holy Spirit? What I asked was proof that the Holy Spirit is God. Where is the evidence? That's what was read in Mary's womb.
The one in Mary's womb was someone's child Jesus. I asked the Holy Spirit.
I've read this, bro. Hey.
Hmm.
Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child in her womb is from the Holy Spirit.
Well, from the Holy Spirit.
Yes The child she conceived was from the Holy Spirit. What I'm asking is where is the evidence that Jesus the Holy Spirit is God? [laughs] Well, I'll read the next verse, bro. [snorts] What's the argument, bro?
This is the next verse, bro.
She will give birth to a son [grunting] and you will name him Jesus.
Yes, what does this have to do with the Holy Spirit?
It was the Holy Spirit this angel of God said, "You name him Jesus." The Holy Spirit proves that he is God, why did he tell Jesus?
Because he is the one who will save his people from their sins.
What I'm discussing is the Holy Spirit, bro. The Holy Spirit is not Jesus. [laughs] That's the Holy Spirit.
Where the angel said that the Holy Spirit, eh, Joseph gave the name Jesus, eh, because he was the one who would save his people from their sins.
Where is the proof of God's Holy Spirit, bro?
[laughs] Well, this is what I said to Bang Juma.
Hmm. Hmm.
Bang Juma has memorized everything.
He is in the Bible but it is a shame [clears throat] that he is not given the opportunity to understand.
So how am I supposed to understand? There is no evidence that the Holy Spirit is God. There is no reason for it.
Hence the argument. I have explained this reason to you, but you don't understand.
Well, it is explained that Mary was pregnant by the Holy Spirit. Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit. Holy. [laughs] Well, then what did you say?
What did the angel say to Joseph?
Hmm.
And you will name him Jesus.
Eh, then because Yes.
He is the one who will save his people from their sins.
be clarified again so that what God said by the Prophet.
Indeed, the blood child will conceive and give birth to a son and they will name him [laughs] the one we are discussing Manuel, the one we are discussing Jesus, is the one we are discussing Jesus or the Holy Spirit, bro?
The Holy Spirit is the same as Jesus, bro, because Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Oh my, how is this?
Well, that's right, bro. I said to Bang Juman, I have memorized the entire Bible but don't have the gift to understand it. So I have explained the existing arguments. Bang Juma doesn't understand.
Where is the evidence that the Holy Spirit is God? Now you're making things difficult for yourself with two questions. where the argument is that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. [laughs] D the heavier it is, the heavier it is.
So it's the same as the disciples of the Lord Jesus asked the Lord Jesus.
Hehe.
Lord yes, "Why do you teach them with parables?"
Hey.
Jesus answered, "To you the kingdom of heaven is revealed, but to them it is enough to speak in parables. For though they see they do not believe, and though they hear they do not believe." But what does God say? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.
Just like Bang Juma has explained many times but I don't understand what this person is. I asked where is the evidence that the Holy Spirit is God? You are discussing the birth of Jesus instead.
Jesus was given the name Immanuel. Jesus was given his son by Mary, named Jesus. What I asked for was the evidence. The argument that the Holy Spirit is God.
That's the reason, bro. The angels have already said that. That one, which one?
Kus is the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb. The angel said to Joseph, Joseph, you name him Jesus, the Holy Spirit.
Because he is the one who will save his people from their sins. [clears throat] Continue to explain again, so that the word of God will be fulfilled by the Prophet.
Behold, the child of blood will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call his name Immanuel, which means God with us. That's very clear.
Hehe.
Well, that's what the trinity means, bro. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Hehe.
Yes It's my turn to explain that God, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit are one person, bro.
That's blind faith. Now I explain to you.
So, why is Mary's pregnancy associated with the Holy Spirit?
Because the Jews accused him of being a sinner.
[applause] So it's said, son, it's not adultery.
She became pregnant by the Holy Spirit. What is meant by her being pregnant by the Holy Spirit is that the Holy Spirit came in the sixth month and announced to her that she was pregnant.
That's why she became pregnant from God's words.
In the beginning he was the word of God's will delivered by the Holy Spirit delivered by Gabriel. It was from this outpouring of the Holy Spirit that she became pregnant.
That's why it is said that she was pregnant by the Holy Spirit. What is in the womb comes from the Holy Spirit. Please read it carefully.
Don't use doctrine. That's why you don't understand, you're using doctrine. It says there that what is in her womb is from the Holy Spirit. Why is it said to be from the Holy Spirit?
Because the Holy Spirit is the one who speaks the word. Mary, the Father Elohim wants you to become pregnant and let you give her name, Jesus.
It comes from the Holy Spirit. The one who brings the news is the Holy Spirit. Who is the Holy Spirit? Ask. He was Gabriel who came in the sixth month to inform her of her pregnancy.
Who came to Mary? Gabriel.
Then why is it said to be from the Holy Spirit?
Because the Holy Spirit, Gabriel, came to give the word that you would be pregnant. That's why it's said that before Maria became pregnant, she didn't have sexual intercourse.
But before Mary became pregnant she listened to the word of God. So it is said that in the beginning was the word.
The Word became flesh. There was no information from the Holy Spirit at first that she would become pregnant. It wasn't that Joseph had sex with her at first.
study more. So, the Holy Spirit is Gabriel himself who came to announce to Mary that she would conceive and give birth to a son, and she should name him Joseph. That's what Jesus really was like. That's why you have difficulty understanding that the child in your womb is from the Holy Spirit. It was not from David's sperm. Eh, sorry, that wasn't from Joseph's sperm, but it was from the Holy Spirit. What is meant by the Holy Spirit? Holy Spirit courier. The Holy Spirit is the messenger, the deliverer of the word who came to Mary in the sixth month, his name was Gabriel, saying, "You will conceive a child, you must name him Jesus.
[applause] Then what is the next data? She will give birth to a son and you will name him Jesus because He is the one who will save his people from their sins. This happened so that what was said by God by the prophets, by God, by the Prophet.
Then it was said, "Truly a child of blood [clears throat] it will conceive and give birth to a son and they name him Immanuel.
Even though it's a lie." Why? No one. Okay, Maria [laughs] listen. It's a lie, bro. Okay, Maria listen first.
Try it if you laugh. I want to ask where Mary named her child with the name Immanuel and who ever called Jesus with that name? Yes.
There is, bro. There is. No one. That means it's a fake child. Jesus was never called Immanuel. Jesus was never called by his mother with the name Immanuel. His cousin, his neighbor, his grandpa never called Jesus Immanuel. That's a lie. Just citing the argument in the Jewish book. That's the first one.
That's the angel, bro.
Yes, was Jesus ever called Emmanuel who said that to Joseph, right? The angel said and they would name him.
Yes.
With the name Emmanuel. Is it true that Jesus was named Emmanuel? It was the angel who said that.
I say it's a lie. Because no human being has ever named Jesus with the name Emmanuel.
Oh, who has ever called Jesus with the name Emmanuel? Who?
Christians until now, bro.
Huh?
Until There's the song Immanuel.
Huh?
That's until now, that's until there's the song Immanuel, until my song was made, I'm not asking about Christians because Christians are only based on existing evidence, what I mean is practices in his time, was Jesus called Emmanuel in his time, there was this, when I look at that brother, that brother wants to try to justify himself, brother. I 've given the evidence. We're talking about patience, patience, patience. That's a dream.
That's Joseph's dream.
Not a dream. But that brother always says patience, patience.
That's Joseph's dream, bro. That's why in data number 24 it says, "After waking up from his sleep, after waking up from his sleep, Joseph did as the angel of the Lord commanded him." Yes, was there Joseph, did Joseph name Jesus Emmanuel?
Yes, Joseph immediately did what was commanded by [laughs] Give me proof that Joseph called Jesus Immanuel. Give me proof. Give me proof. Give me proof, bro.
But Joseph did [laughs] as the angel said, what the angel said.
Angel said that what? They will name him Emmanuel. They will name him. That includes Joseph's dream.
Were there then those people who at that time named him Emmanuel?
Yes.
There were, Bro. If I see Bang Juma, he always says that when speaking, you have to use reason.
Yes, of course. Was there?
But after using reason, Bang Juma looked for reasons so that Bang Juma could justify himself. Bang Juma himself said that the reason I based on reason was wrong. I based that reason on Joseph's dream. And after it was said that after waking up from his sleep, Joseph did that.
So, did Joseph then teach to call Jesus Emmanuel? Did Joseph do what the angel of the Lord said not to have sexual relations with Mary until Mary gave birth to Jesus.
[laughs] Did Joseph call Did Joseph call Jesus Emmanuel, Bro?
Not Joseph, but the people at that time called him Emmanuel.
Where is it written? Where is it written that Jesus was ever called? Why do you know what the Lord said by the child of blood will conceive and give birth to a son and they will call his name Immanuel. They weren't there? Where did they find him? It even says data number 25, but they didn't have sex with him until she gave birth to a son. And Joseph named him, Joseph named him Immanuel or Jesus?
Yes, Jesus. The angel told Joseph his name was Jesus, not Immanuel.
It fits, but Jesus. Now, are there people who call him Immanuel?
Hey, I even call him Immanuel.
Eh, that's not the problem, that's not the problem. The problem is whether Jesus existed, eh, Brother, did Jesus exist?
Was Jesus there? Was Jesus there? Was Jesus called Immanuel in his time? Was there?
Listen first, listen first. Bro, Bro Juma, studying the Bible isn't looking for the truth. It's the truth I'm looking for.
You're the one who distorts something that's in the book you believe in.
When I talk to you, where do you learn the evidence?
Where is the evidence?
Where is the evidence that the Holy Spirit is God?
What are you presenting?
What are you presenting?
What are you presenting? When I asked, I was so patient, I Follow what you've narrated. I appreciate that. But there's no evidence that the Holy Spirit is God. There, the Holy Spirit came to announce the birth of a child named Jesus. But it's not said that the Holy Spirit is God.
[applause] There's none, bro. There's none. There's none. It's useless. It's useless. If you can't provide accurate evidence that Jesus is named what? The Holy Spirit is God, then what's the point? Just go around and around. Jesus and Mary conceived from the Holy Spirit.
I mean, Mary conceived from what the Holy Spirit announced.
That's why it says in the Qur'an, sentence from sentence from sentence. There's no problem there. The problem is you. Because you assume the Holy Spirit is God without evidence. Right, bro. Is there any evidence that the Holy Spirit is God? There isn't any, right? You brought the book of Matthew, but there wasn't any. There was n't any. So, it's better for you to rest. Ah, it's almost 3:00, bro. [laughs] Poor you. There's no proof. The Holy Spirit is God. It doesn't exist.
Just rest, bro. Rest tomorrow.
Tomorrow I'll look for proof. Then when you're ready, come and see me again. [laughs] There's no proof, friends. Matthew 1 under Matthew 1 numbers 20 21 22 to 25, it doesn't say the Holy Spirit is God.
[applause] Hello, good morning, Brother Arman.
Brother Arman, have a good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Can anyone show that the Holy Spirit is God?
Is Brother Arman also unable to?
[clears throat] Brother Arman said, "I'd rather keep quiet than be embarrassed.
Come on friends, please submit a request.
Let's discuss a little more, then we'll take a break.
Hello, good evening.
Evening, Bang Zum. Good evening from Kristen too, bro.
Yes, sir.
Please open the camera, bro.
Okay. [clears throat] Oh, it's dark. It's clear.
Please.
Eh, my voice is clear there.
Clear, clear. Clear. Have you ever read in the Bible that the Holy Spirit is God?
Ee, in my opinion, yes, Bro, I am honest, I am a servant in the church and also in the music musician section. Always be ready.
So, as you said earlier, Jesus is the Holy Spirit, the same as the Holy Spirit, he said.
I don't agree with that, sir. Hey, bro.
Well, yeah. So why is Jesus different from the Holy Spirit?
Well, so what is appropriate for me is the term " dalil" which I can't use, bro. Because I still don't really understand. Just according to the teachings taught by the priest, what is it? that is, there is a triune God.
Well, so God is different, the Holy Spirit is different, Jesus is also different, like that.
Well, so Jesus is Jesus, that's God's messenger. He's like a prophet. Well, the Holy Spirit is indeed part of God. But if you say that Jesus is the same as the Holy Spirit, I don't agree with that.
H, if the Holy Spirit is the same as God, do you agree? It's no different, bro. Different, different is different answer.
No, it's different too. It's different too. God, how many of these are there?
Hey, actually, our God is only one, bro.
Well, one. Which of the three is God?
Yes, in [clears throat] there is the Triune God, so there is God, uh, the Holy Spirit, and then Jesus. Well, so eh, our tool is just not what it means, eh, the trinity tool is in accordance with our teachings, right?
God is a triune being, so God is the same as this, bro, like water, right? There is evil in the water, especially in the chemicals. So, for example, we use that water. So automatically all of those substances are included. So, for example, what should we ask for? It's like praying to God, automatically the Holy Spirit also works.
Hey, how come?
What to do? Father [snorts] Elohim is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not Jesus.
Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus Jesus is not. Why is it that they are of one essence if they are not mutually exclusive? I am not you, you are not me. So why do we have one essence?
What should I do?
Yes, that's basically it. After all, God is a Trinity, bro. There is God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
How is it? Allah tri Allah three three does not mean God the trinity, it means God [snorts] the trinity is like God the Father the Son, the son is Jesus. So the Holy Spirit is under Jesus, right?
This means that there are three Gods, but there is not only one God.
Which one is God among the three? Yes, it was God at the top who said that.
That means the two of them have fallen, right?
[laughs] the two of them. If there is only one, if three are just entered, all three of them will be eliminated.
No, bro. But what it means is like this, bro.
Oh, sorry, I said that, like us Muslims, our Muslim brothers, they can pray to the Prophet Muhammad, right? Do you pray to the Prophet Muhammad or not? This means conveying their prayers through the Prophet Muhammad. See, you can do it? No.
through the prophet, through his name we pray, we offer prayers just as Jesus prayed to Allah through his name we are also called, praised, acknowledged, praised as the same messenger. But we don't pray to the Prophet Muhammad.
Prophet Muhammad is the same.
Yes, it's the same, we're like that too. It just means that the Prophet Muhammad is not God. Jesus Jesus is not God but was forced to become one with God, right? Is that true?
Not forced. He is God, bro. Well, that means he is not God because he is a messenger, right?
[applause] Prabowo's envoys are not Prabowo, that's clear. That 's why after the Day of Judgment, Jesus will expel those who claim to be his followers. Prophesy, cast out demons, perform miracles in the name of Jesus. They were thrown out. Yes, that's why Jesus worked so hard to prove that he was a servant of God and was even deified. Well, that's what was expelled. [applause] That's a shame. Spend your life but be expelled by Jesus.
What should I do?
Matthew 7 22 number 22. Matthew 7 number 22 and 23. The Christians were expelled by Jesus, it was a pity. Ah, tired of playing guitar and being kicked out.
[laughs] What part of the church?
All flutes, bro. Like keyboard, drums, different surgery.
Oh I see. So versatile. This means multitalented, right?
Yes, it's possible for music.
Yes yes. Good.
Yes But here, here, I'm going up, it's not this problem, bro. It's not a matter of arguing or not accepting.
But I think it would be better if we looked for each other, what is this called?
Knowledge again, right? In my personal opinion, Bro, there is no true religion. We only have one God. That's the point [laughs] it's true that our God is one. There are only those among us who are polytheists.
Musrik means associating two people with God.
Jesus did not second God. John 17. Eternal life is that they know you are the only true God. This means that God is only one, not three persons. Just one.
[laughs] Well, would God's glory be diminished if there were only one?
Jesus is only his messenger.
Then the Holy Spirit only acts as an intermediary courier to convey the word.
Why should we enter into the realm of God? God is said to be one. So why did Jesus, who was human, also have to sit as God?
Meanwhile, Jesus is God's servant, right?
Why become God too?
Well, the story goes like this. I just don't know the reason, bro. This. Well, the story is that he was sent by God. Just like what Father said earlier, when Mary was sleeping in the middle of the night with her husband Joseph. So, the Holy Spirit said that she would conceive and give birth to a child who would later become king forever.
He is Jesus. Well, after Jesus died on the cross, 3 days later he disappeared in his tomb.
then ee he was lifted up by an angel like that.
Only after that will he come back to life in the world safely for 40 days. Well, after that he was taken up in heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Almighty Father and all God's power was handed over to Jesus.
But in the end Jesus Jesus was lost.
Jesus conquered himself and there will be only God in the end.
Well, that's the story. I just don't know the reason. It's just that the story is that he was lifted up and then he was placed at the right hand of the realm of the almighty Father, that's how it is. That means there are two there.
Well, that's it, bro. That's why I said, actually I'm confused about learning it, but that's why I came up here, it's better for us to learn together.
Yes, that's right. So, if I were religious, what we are looking for is eternal life. Eternal life means heaven, right? Not eternal death. Eternal death is hell. Well, Jesus has given the ticket to eternal life. What's that?
John 17 number 3. Knowing God as the only God. Get to know Jesus as God's messenger. It's finished. Simple. Lailahaillallah.
Jesus is the Messenger of Allah. [applause] Oh, I see.
Yes, it's that simple.
This in Medan means.
Yes, yes, in Medan.
Okay. Keep going.
So, according to Brother Juma, Jesus is not God. He is not a messenger of God. He is a holy man, a noble man. He is that. He would never want to be Pharaoh.
Well, that replaces the glory of God.
Yes We don't need to discuss Jesus first.
Because it's the Holy Spirit, right?
Yes, it is true.
Which. So, according to you, the Holy Spirit is not part of God. The Holy Spirit is part of God, but not God. God the Holy Spirit is part of God but not God.
Now. Now. If you say something like that, I also agree, Bro. Like that.
Well, that's it.
That means he is not God. He is part of God but not God.
Yes That is the Holy Spirit.
If we are brothers, then Brother says I agree too. Because there is only one God.
Well, let's give it a high five first. High five high five high five first high five. [laughs] Horas is like that, that's right. Why do we need two or three Gods when one is enough.
Okay. Okay.
God is one. Okay, yeah. We agree, yes.
Y.
Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you. Bro.
Yes You're welcome.
Get some rest, Jo. What time is it there already? It's already 10 o'clock. in Medan. Tomorrow I want to go to church again.
Yes yes. Will definitely serve again tomorrow.
Get ready, take a rest then.
Okay. Okay.
Yes Well, that's still good. Young people still have a clear mind, even though they listen to songs of praise to the Trinity day and night, their minds are still not too contaminated by western doctrine.
He clearly said that I agree because God is only one, only one, meaning that the Holy Spirit is only a part of God. It is true that Gabriel is a part of God.
In a sense he is an errand boy.
Why is he part of God?
Because God created the earth. In it there are leaders, creatures, caliphs. Where God must give a teaching to his beloved creatures. Because God is all- loving. So God gave ee a situation where God gave the task to the Holy Spirit to convey the word to the prophets.
That little brother is smart. Clever.
It means it can still be cured. It can still be cured. It can still be healed because it has not yet included the Holy Spirit and Jesus as one essence with God.
That's right. Applause for the younger brother. [applause] Okay, everyone, it's already 3 o'clock at my place. Let's take a break, okay, everyone? Those who haven't been able to get on, those who I haven't had the chance to get on, tomorrow, God willing, after the midday prayer, we will meet again, we will open Komal, we will meet, we will ask questions, we will discuss this theme. Because since this afternoon until now, no one has been able to prove that the Holy Spirit is God. There isn't any yet. No one has been able to prove the Holy Spirit of God. what exists is that the one who was the last, the second from the last, who is that Mr., is going round and round. He even showed Matthew 1 where Matthew 1 actually answered that Jesus is not God, right?
Eh, sorry sorry. The Holy Spirit is not God, but the birth of Jesus came from Mary's pregnancy, which came from the Holy Spirit.
does not explain that the Holy Spirit is God. He failed. Hello my brother Mr. Bean, how are you? It seems like it's already outside this house.
No, no. What's in this?
There's a place next to the house for what? Sit down.
This miss is outside the cage.
Yes What is the decision?
Enough, enough arguing, enough discussing with my wife.
Yes He only advises, if you are sure, yes.
In the future, introduce me like you introduced me to the Junitarians when I was still Catholic. He said so.
Oh, cool. Cool, Catholic.
[applause] He was Catholic.
moving to unitarian [clears throat] yeah. If you're sure, go ahead, but I can't do it quickly. I think I have to learn first, like that.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Masyaallah, amazing.
[snorts] Masyaallah. Yes So what's the decision?
Yes I'm sure I'm sure the sound is small.
Yes I'm sure it's going to rain here too.
Oh I see. So I want to take the shahada.
Yes Mom.
Thank God. Ee the conditions are regarding.
Please [applause] yes. The condition is that you take a photo of your ID card first and send it to you.
That's all for now.
What?
Create administration. ID card.
Where is the ID card sent to?
Can you call my number?
Huh?
Can I call your number? You can call my number, Bang Andi.
Yes, what is my number? I don't know Bang Andi's number yet.
Yes, it is noted. I just woke up and I slept in my clothes.
Oh yeah yeah.
Just like me, this afternoon the live immediately died. Bang Handi called me but I didn't hear it because I had a guest.
Oh no wonder, as soon as I got on, wow, how come everyone died?
Yeah, poor thing [laughs] poor YouTube.
I want to die, how do I do it?
Okay, I chatted with netizens in live chat.
[laughs] Masyaallah Bang Gandi, you can note down my number D.
[snorts] Subhanallah. Bantisan.
[clears throat] After this, will Ustaz Dio still monitor this or not?
Try writing Banjak in the group. Ustaz, get ready, Ustaz Tata, anyone can go up and join the victim, okay? When we make sacrifices, we will not be human sacrifices but animal sacrifices.
What's the number? How many?
0813 0813 9233 9 [snort] it was brought 0813 9233 up up up up 7800 thank God 7800 yes 7800 try repeating Asalamualaikum.
Waalaikumsalam warahmatullahi wabarakat.
Not yet, still listening.
If so, I'll come later. If not, I'll think about sleeping.
Why isn't the vehicle safe?
Dinda isn't sleeping yet. I'll come to you later.
Yes, this is my beloved little brother, this is Dadio.
[snort] 0813 9233 7800.
Where's my ID card?
What for?
What is my ID card for?
What is this for? To give Bang Yuma my ID card [laughs] where? It will be recorded later.
Why?
Yes, it's in the data. Where is the coordination with his wife?
Where is he? What is the ID card for?
This is in the data.
What is the data for?
Why do you want to make a PID to make a certificate for conversion, he said.
Oh, where did you get the certificate made?
The administration for the convert certificate will be made later.
Later I'll look for the one who kept it because it's in the cupboard in the drawer. Try to tell me. [clears throat] [laughs] Don't use your ID card for online loans anymore. Ah, it will be hard to pay later.
Complicated.
Gambling is haram, Kando.
Yes No gambler is rich.
Bang [ __ ] Roma is right.
Gambling.
Judi, that song is good, bro. But Banyuma, yesterday I chatted with the admin, he wants to collaborate [clears throat] with us. I really want to, Bang [ __ ].
Oh, I still want to. Still want to.
Hehe.
Later, you'll go to Jakarta at the same time, Bang Hendi.
Oh, yes, you can. We've been invited three times, but we keep postponing it. But if he still wants it, God willing, we will attend.
The one that [snorts] is clear is that it's either July or August or the final exams.
Masyaallah, T Kuna had already coordinated earlier.
Yes, [snorts] the chairman must also join this, Ustaz. God.
Yes, God willing. Bismillah.
[snorts] Anyway, all of the management, Mr. Jibril, will follow.
Documentation is necessary.
Yes When I was on the phone, I was educating Tengku Nasrullah, UAS said, "Of course, you can have a Christian study with me," he said. [laughs] In fact, UAS actually understands all of that, but it's not his field, right?
Yes, he understands, but he doesn't understand yet.
Hidayat really understands the old language and understands all of it.
[snorts] Hang on, bro. Hang on, okay? I'm looking for the best wife to eat at Ustaz Basa Lama's restaurant.
Hmm. If we are eating and there is a call to prayer, all the employees do not serve the group prayer in the restaurant. [music] Wow, who's calling me?
Wait. At this hour someone is calling. Bang Handi, what are you doing? Tuyul [snorts][clears throat] wants to report.
The tuyul wants to report.
Hey, hello hello Mister Win. Why did you take so long to argue with me and others?
We were created differently, our roots are diverse, you know. Be like you were yesterday. When you were little, your dream was to become a policewoman. Why? Eh, he got off.
My dream was to become a policewoman when I was little.
[clears throat] Please don't call yet, it's disturbing.
[snorts] Who is that apostate Sandi arguing with? Are they fellow apostates?
Wow, that noise is loud. To the point of talking about all this nonsense with Minang Kristen because of a girl.
Yes Oh girl.
They have a girl who changes things because of that, that's the indication. It seems that the Minang Christian was angry with Sandi because Sandi converted to Christianity because she was a woman.
Then he accused Sandi of being the son of his father, he said, the son of Jesus' father.
He said there is still API, he said it was just [clears throat] disguised, there are many standard accusations.
Asalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. May the peace, mercy, and blessings of Allah be with you too. Masyaallah there are guests from all the way from Bali.
[laughs] Guests from all the way from Bali.
Yes Thank God.
and just a week ago your desert was still in Bali?
Still, still Bang Handi. Are we still busy?
Where are those of us who have converted to Islam?
Thank God, Friday prayers went smoothly, I prayed, I kept making status updates and kept giving news. Thank God.
Thank God. [laughs] Great.
His biological younger sibling is the one who lives in Banyumai, you know, in Bali.
Oh yes, that's right, it's true that Kandito has been admitted to the school with Mr. Arif's attention.
Yes Oh oh yeah, that was at that time.
Yes Masha Allah, all the documents are here.
Where, how? Ana kabar gurunda. Oh, okay, okay.
Brother Yuma, Brother Handi.
Ready. I am Bang Handi. Wait a minute, please. Still looking for the wife.
Yes Safe, safe, safe. S I collected it because I don't know.
Forget him.
Forget.
Mister Bein, do you want to take the shahada today?
Yes Masha Allah. Thank God.
Even though he is a debater too.
Yes Come down [laughing] Ustaz T's asen is usually pitted against the Trinity, right?
[snorts] Mister Bin, I gave him a theme before, where he played with logic, he used common sense. Are the Father and Jesus the same or different?
Different. What God thinks, he thinks for a long time. Yes, you are the one God, how many Gods? One. How about Jesus?
I thought for a long time before answering. Answer there he realized.
Of course.
Mister B. Mister B. Asalamualaikum R.
Waalaikumsalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
Waalaikum, just now I was still up in this com Bang Raja Bintang MD.
The only indication is the cross in front of Mr.'s name. Why has this bin been deleted Mr. Bin musyaat. [laughs] Thank God, he gets guidance from Bro every night when he nags at me, Grunda and Little.
Oh I see. Masha Allah. I am the same, the point is that the cross is a place where people are punished, right? [laughs] Yeah. The wicked are punished.
Yes When a righteous person is punished, he will meet Jesus' ultimatum.
Matthew 23 numbers 32 to 36.
If a righteous person is killed, who is crucified, then the murderer and his descendants will occupy hell.
that's the argument.
So there is no truth to the cross. There aren't any.
The truth is that no one is punished.
Yes, that's all.
Edis said yes the devil's will.
H said bomb-bom yes father's will.
Because of this banjumah, it's a noisy topic with them. They were torn apart [clears throat] until now, Bang Hendi.
Until now, it has been spreading everywhere to Apologet's house. Go to donation.
Donations carried around?
Yes Taken everywhere.
Raja Bintang ordered you to come here, Mr. Rid.
Oh.
in the new rungkat he just new rungkat.
Oh my, when I called, I asked to come up, but I also wanted to hear the shahada.
So this is also with the mistress, right Mr. Bean, it seems like the mistress still wants to buy the Nabawi sirah, she said.
Send the address. Send the address and it will be sent. Sir Nabawiah. No need to buy. Sent from us from the fire. It would be great if he read it until the end, like alkt, yes, read it, yes.
Yes, ID card.
sleep good night.
Hello, Brother Yuma.
Yes yes. Hello. Hello, Bro.
Yes Yes. Or maybe I won't even meet him tomorrow. His wife said it was also night.
Okay, okay.
The area can be like that. It's okay, just be guided here first, the administration is to re-take the shahada. Later, if you have your ID card, you can learn to recite the shahada here first, that's fine. You ca n't do this. I'm afraid that people will think I'm not a Christian, right? I don't want it to be like that, it will become slander, right?
Tomorrow is fine, I'm fine.
[snort] But believe it, but believe it, the mystery of one God, Jesus is the messenger of God. Yes.
Yes Trust me it hit. So I was hit by what when Bang Yuma said that in the 4927 incident I hit him [laughs] there. Because of what? [applause] Because this is how it is in the book of Paul, right?
Then where else are the Christians? Which other apostle should I believe in?
[laughs] True, true, true, true, true. When it was finished it was truly extraordinary.
Extraordinary. Yeah, I was hit there. I was devastated there.
49 means. Yes, that's right. He is a descendant of Benjamin who also robbed.
That's right. [laughs] Snatching taah and sharing it out, right?
Yes, it is true. That's right. Yes, if it's there, that's fine. If Bang Yuma is live tomorrow, what time would it be nice for me to come? What proof do you have for that, Mr. Bin, right?
How can a family all have sex?
Not yet. If it's a wife like this, Bang Arif. So first introduce your Islam like you introduced Junitarianism to me when I was still Catholic. He said so.
Yes, yesterday, this account was not handled by Mr. Bein is his wife right away.
Yes, yesterday my wife held it. My wife [laughs] often rides Komal, right? Komal Komal Tritunggal asked me to learn this Prophetic sirah, it would only cost 130 if I bought it.
Peace be upon you, teacher.
Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah.
Okay, come and watch, Mr. Brothers. Bein, if for example tonight at this time it can't be postponed until tomorrow. But what is certain is that you are sure that Allah, the Most Holy and Most High, is the only God?
Are you sure? I ca n't deny it anymore, that's it.
Hehe. If it were Prophet Muhammad, do you acknowledge him as a prophet?
Yes, this is the reason I converted to Islam because of the Prophet Muhammad. All praise is due to Allâh, the Lord of the Worlds. Okay, enough, enough, enough, that date has already witnessed it. [snorts] Masyaallah, it's legal.
Okay, that's all there is to it. Why do you need a convert certificate, Dinda? Because we are a country of law.
ee our legality as citizens must be clear whether we are Muslim or not. That's the first one. Second, there are lots of incidents. Sorry, we do n't pray for bad things.
There are many incidents where we convert people to Islam and then they die.
His ID card was still Christian, his family buried him with Christian procedures. We, whose brothers are unable to help, must pay our last respects to the bodies of our brothers. Because his ID card is Christian and his family objected. This is the proof that my child, if my brother is still Christian, why do you want to bury him in an Islamic way? We say he has already professed the shahada, but he doesn't. Where is the proof? Well, we don't have any evidence, we're given evidence. In the end we [clears throat] lost at that point. There was also the case of K Steven riding pillion on a motorbike with a corpse and giving him his ID card. This is proof that this is Islam. This is our brother. We sin against Allah if we do not handle the body in an Islamic manner. Almost almost almost almost murder at that time.
So I said to the late man, "What can we do?" There's no story. I'm willing to die, Bang Zuma.
Finally what? He went to the RT RW and went berserk there.
This is your ID card, if I don't report it, I will sue you for burying my brother. This is my biological child, physically correct but his faith is Islam. This is the ID card that is shown, right? Finally what?
Riding on his corpse's motorbike. Yes, that is Islam. Finally I said yes it is amazing. So, what do you want, Bang Suuma? It is our sin if we allow our brother's corpse to be buried in an infidel manner. While he is a Muslim.
He managed to retrieve the body of our Muslim brother. That's one of the benefits, bro. So that you will be buried in an Islamic way when you die. So. So it's not whether we want to be suspicious or not. No.
No. Indeed, the administration at our foundation is official. When a relative converts to Islam, we provide a certificate of conversion as a guarantee that they have truly converted to Islam under the Indonesian Islamic Apologetic Foundation. That's how it's understood.
Understand. Understand. [snorts] Okay. Okay.
Understand. Yes It's okay tomorrow morning or Friday afternoon, bro. afternoon after Dhuhr prayers, God willing.
Yes Fine.
Later I will send all the data to Bang Handi.
Okay. Yes, there is already a number, right?
Yes, there is. So, I want to ask, if I get the certificate but my older sibling is of a different religion or what?
Oh, no no no no, it seems to have changed to KK. [snorts] As far as I know, it's only the KTP that will be taken care of, this one is just the KTP that changes religion. The population registration number does not change, only the KTP.
Yes Yes Ready ready ready. But usually if there is a change in this, ee also takes care of her older sibling and changes like that [snorts] like that, usually a new older sibling appears but her older sibling will be alone, God willing, later on, his wife and children will follow, that's how it is.
Amen. Amen.
Amen. The prayer is ready.
Why is it dark?
Oh my brothers and sisters, can we rest, okay? It's already.30 here.
Please be ready. [clears throat] Ready.
Yes Good.
God willing. God willing.
Yes Dinda closed the kafaratul majelis Dinda. Friends, thank you very much for our togetherness. Sorry if there are any words or sentences that are not pleasing. Thank you for accompanying us until this hour. We are in League A1 number 75, my friends. Masyaallah, amazing.
Popular five. Popular five five. Wow, that's cool.
[applause] Subhanallah.
Yes So many people have started to pay attention.
interfaith debates like this.
But sometimes we have this coma disturbed by the blasphemers who come up.
They insult them, like that, they attack people more personally than they do when they convey data. For that, thank you very much to all my fellow netizens, both on YouTube and TikTok. You all are amazing.
Only Allah can repay the kindness of all my friends. And to my non-Muslim brothers, if there is any truth that I convey, this truth will absolutely make your heart ache, believe me, not everything that is bitter is poison.
The medicine is bitter, but it heals.
So when there is a truth that I convey that is damaging to your thoughts and feelings, then please come to my room to question, to discuss, and to explain. God willing, we will help to explain in more depth.
I think so, Dinda and everyone.
Dinda Dio was taken over for us to rest. Please, Sis.
[snort] Yeah, ee thanks to all my friends who participated. May Allah Subhanahu wa Taala reward you with multiple rewards and become a weight on the scales of our deeds in the afterlife. We close friends, we all take a break. We close with the kafaratul assembly prayer so that this assembly will be blessed by Allah subhanahu wa taala.
Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika ashadu alla ilaha illa anta astagfiruka atubu ilaik. Peace be upon you and Allah be upon you.
Peace be upon you.
Peace be upon you. warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. [clears throat] Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. [applause] Okay, thanks everyone. Bye. Bye.
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