Splitting Personalities With Dr. Anne Creekmore || Psychic Liz Cross

Added: 2026-05-12

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[00:00:16]Welcome back everyone. We are so lucky we have Dr. Annmore with us today. Now, for those of you that missed the first Dr. and Creekmore video, you really missed out. Uh she is a highly accomplished licensed clinical psychologist based in Richmond, Virginia. Her exceptional achievements have garnered her recognition and honors including membership in the FI Beta and FI honor honor society and multiple features and who's who of American women. She was honored as top doctor, licensed clinical psychologist in Virginia in 2017 and subsequently received the pre prestigious titles of Virginia psychologist of the year in 2019 and 2021 as well as Virginia clinical psychologist of the year in 2021. Wow.

[00:01:18]So look, I mean there the bio here is huge. very very accomplished.

[00:01:26]She's also written insightful books such as Love Yourself, Love Your Life, Wisdoms and Ways of Abundance, Find Mr. Right or Mrs. Right, The Perfect 10 and Not Fit for Human Consumption.

[00:01:44]And we have Dr. Creek Moore here today.

[00:01:47]We are so very fortunate. And Dr. Cremmore, I believe you're going to talk to us today about splitting personalities. How are you doing?

[00:01:57]>> Good. How are you?

[00:02:00]>> Next question.

[00:02:04]>> I'm so glad to be in the month of May.

[00:02:07]Um, so splitting personalities, which book of yours, because you're very accomplished, uh, was the splitting of personalities covered in? Well, it it's covered in um two of the books. Uh the not fit for human consumption, trigger traumatic memories and kind of the aggressive or violence profile. And also which covers more of the kind of dark side to helping people understand um maybe issues they have and how to help. uh and the uh more positive light which combines all the different types of effective therapies to bring you to whole fulfilled person uh way of being is love yourself, love your life and it's also in there because there's a section on create healthy relationships and at the end of that section it has also the list of the basic kind of mental disorders people could have uh because as you know so you could work on self if you have something or be aware that the person you're in relationship with has got some issues so you can understand different mental health uh disorders and so it would be in there as well. Um the splitting personalities refers to um well internationally it's um it's the ICD 10 is uh the diagnostic is um complex PTSD.

[00:03:41]People probably heard of complex PTSD where people have, you know, low selfworth and depression and have had childhood trauma and they are um, you know, they don't have much emotional regulation and it's it's a general kind of description, but it's uh we in America we call it dissociative identity disorder uh because it's more specific and the treatment protocol is is more specific.

[00:04:11]Uh and it's a it's basically childhood or complicated or complex PTSD uh versus just PTSD.

[00:04:24]PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder is when a person of one mind, not split personalities, is um you know, has a trauma. You know, veterans that started out, they became aware. They'd go away to war and they'd come back and traumatized with different symptoms like vigilance. They can't be in a, you know, crowds triggering them.

[00:04:46]They're feeling vulnerable or they're having flashbacks of something that occurred or having nightmares and so on.

[00:04:54]Uh, and that's that's like a basic post-traumatic stress or PTSD.

[00:05:01]But if you if a child is under age eight is um get is in a chronically abusive or neglectful or traumatizing or dysfunctional environments either their home or school or somewhere on a chronic basis they develop um the splitting personalities type of PTSD the complicated PTSD um where they uh because that they can't escape the environment they're in. They uh have to mentally escape and they self-hypnotize under the age of eight.

[00:05:40]And so they kind of mentally escape or go away so that they can handle whatever ongoing trauma's going in the home.

[00:05:48]They're getting sexually abused or whatever is going on. And so they go away and let another part of their brain handle it. And that becomes a part or an alter depending on how severe the abuse or neglect is. And amni so that that part can handle that experience. And then after it's over the amnesia walls can go around it. They've dissociated use the uh primitive or childhood defense mechanism of dissociation.

[00:06:18]And then when it's over then the child can come out and play and do it whatever. and not be thinking about.

[00:06:26]It's a a coping adaptive uh defense mechanism called dissociation which children because they're so imaginative they can do that self-hypnosis and and so they've developed into split personalities and and according to the American Psychological Association 4.3% of the American psycho uh population actually has the blackout between alters. severe type of DID.

[00:06:58]So, and then of course we've got the lower levels. So you're talking about, you know, uh a moderate or milder where people switch for like say borderline personality disorder. they may kind of remember what you know when they switched into a different part or when they go in their rage part got triggered you know or they go into their clingy dependent you know like the book um I hate you don't leave me you know the different alter the different mo mood switches with personality just uh borderline personality disorder but that may so that can be more of a moderate or a milder version but at the top the severe version. Uh, like I mentioned, the APA says that 4.3% of the American of the American population is severe. They actually have complete blackouts between parts like in the movie Split, you know. Oh, wow.

[00:07:55]>> Yeah. It's not it's not uncommon and we just have to look deeper. In fact, today we're supposed to as psychologists and and this is isn't well known and this is one of the reasons why I do like to talk about it to bring it up. Um, we're actually if somebody comes into your office, a client with anxiety or depression or substance abuse or you know whatever complaint practically that you're supposed to do a dissociative experience scale or some version of it where you do assess for the dissociative identity disorder. So which could be at the black between alder or could be just switching kind of like an add switching into a mode and not really getting all what's happening because what happens is only one personality or mode or part can be up front interacting active the rest are all in the back and over time pe the child will continue to develop say originally because of the extreme stress stress they're under. You know, if there's an abuse going on, they may mentally escape, you know, kind of go out of body, go away, and let another part of their brain handle it. Then there's that part that will come out when abuse is occurring to handle being abused. And but after that, once they've discovered how to dissociate, that becomes their go-to defense mechanism.

[00:09:24]And therefore, every time there's a new stress, like for example, they got to go to school. Well, that's stressful. you know, you're going and you got to follow a teacher. There's all these new children and they want you to come over to circle time, whatever. You know, that's stress. So, oh, what do you do?

[00:09:38]You know how to handle stress. You mentally escape. You just allow another part of your brain to handle all the school situation. Now, you got a student part um and so on. So, as you go through life and receive and and are of course under stress for this or that, you develop a new part. And so you wind up being your resources or your personality are in all these different split personalities and they kind of happen automatically like something in the environment will bring them out. Like I mentioned originally for abuse well that part when anything sexual shows up well that part's going to pop out when they're older even, you know, because they're going to see it. Oh, this is where that's my job. I'm back on the bench. I see sexual activity. some coming out to handle it and switching out which can create a problem of problems reenacting because that that part comes out to handle it too. But that's another area to discuss. But so in other words, they're they're they're kind of if at the lower levels of the dissociative identity disorder, at the less severe ones where it's not a complete blackout where they can still there is still some amnesia, but they kind of know they went on a camping trip with their friends, but some things happened and they don't remember some of it. You know, they still have um I'm not sure what I was going to say about that one. That got me off track a little bit. Um because I'm thinking of different clients and kind of bringing it in at the time. I remember one teenager went and example would be she she of course wasn't complete blackouts but when she got back from trip she just didn't know what they did during certain times and it wasn't ADD. there was a part that handled uh these teenage activities and and so this can happen their children can uh be raised in families where there's antisocial things like I can think of one uh young boy who had an uncle or older brother that was taking him out to go steal a car well that's pretty stressful so what happens well he he goes away and then he develop and then that part of his brain candles of social activities.

[00:11:56]Um, and so that part, you know, is there in this person's psyche from then on is an available part. So let's say he is out with some teen friends when he's older and one of them suggests something. Well, then that part will pop out and handle that job and then you've got someone who's become kind of ano.

[00:12:15]They may their whole personality is an antisocial. A lot of them may be wonderful, but that part may come out.

[00:12:21]In fact, there's a real good documentary. It's called I think it's the 21 it could be more 25 or six 21 faces of uh Billy Milligan and he wound up in uh in prison eventually from some antosocial acts and while he was there they realized that he was this wonderful person that got along well which is therapy and he was an artist and so on but he had that in a social part. I was actually referring to that um because he was one who's had older uh relatives that got him involved and he had to develop a part. It's scary. You're out there trying to steal a car. You know, it's very stressful. Let's mentally escape. Go away. Let another part of your brain handle it. Put it and now you got one who's going to do those activities. So the problem is that if you don't figure that out as a therapist when you do your you know your comprehensive initial intake time or two with all your questionnaires and go deep get to root functioning of the cause of anxiety depression then you're really not helping the person because the life manager that comes into your office with when people have the did the life manager is the part that is going to handle all appointments, fill out paperwork, get to the appointments and talk and handle things and they can seem absolutely wonderful, you know, because that's their job. Anytime something has to be taken care of like that, that one's out. So, had plenty of practice, right? And then if you just assume that, you know, but they're here there because the court referred them, for example, right? Well, how does that fit? Because if you talk to them about not committing crimes, for example, they're going to be all there for you. You know, yeah, they didn't want to commit crimes. I don't know why they did that. But so you have to be the one as a psychologist or mental health professional to evaluate at the very beginning to understand that they have a dissociative identity disorder which approximately a good fourth of the people alive have you know um at some level all the people with borderline personality disorder people with complex PTSD whatever you want to call it it's all the same and it has a very specific treatment protocol you have to evaluate it and not just kind of approach the client as a layman would.

[00:14:51]Oh yes, there's symptoms of anxiety or there's symptoms of dis of depression.

[00:14:55]Yes, that's true. But if you don't go below the to figure out that it's a dissociative identity disorder, a complex PTSD going on, and you don't do the treatment protocol for that, you won't be able to really help with the anxiety or the acting out or the depression. And I give you one more example because I've been sharing a lot and I know there's hopefully there's a lot of questions, but I can think of one um young teen that the father brought in and he um and he turned out he had he had the complex PTSD or the DID different parts and he would get suicidal and it turned right. So, but in sports I'm having to, you know, help him.

[00:15:37]That's major. And but it turns out it's not that difficult because when you know that he's in different parts, instead of just talking to the life manager who's coming to your office to handle the appointment, that part of him, you go to the depressed part. And when you talk to the depressed part, the depressed part saying, "Yeah, I I my grandparents have passed and or it was the part that originated when the uh you know, maybe was 11 or whatever it was at that point, his grandparents had taken care of him regularly and on the weekends forever and they passed. So this part that was connected to the grandparents was very sad and um of course and griefstricken and thought that if they were kind of they were they he thought if I die then I can go to heaven or and be with my grandparents.

[00:16:32]So the life manager didn't know anything about that me you know that perspective.

[00:16:37]It was that part that was greasened that was trying to help all the people parts inside developed to help. They just don't know the big picture and they have an independent mind that is probably going to be in conflict with other parts because there's no there's kind of walls between and they're all doing their own thing and the memos aren't getting passed on until the person goes into therapy and then then the therapists can help them talk within their parts get them on board which is what for example which is what I did in that case which was just talking to the depressed hard about maybe, you know, his par grandparents don't want him to go to heaven. They love him. They're looking at him in my opinion and being there wanting him to have a full life. And it's not and if he kills, you know, a part of him, he's killing everybody else out as well, not just himself. And he doesn't want to be responsible for that.

[00:17:37]And so he was able to see and work it through because we dealt with the reason he was depressed, the part that held this solution to the grief and worked specifically on the grief so that he started to get to acceptance phase, feeling better, rebuilding in a positive way. But had we just kind of talked to his life manager, that other part could have gone out and hurt himself, you know, because he's there not even probably simply listening. It's kind of like you got all these people parts inside. It's like say you and some of them are young. Some don't even grow up if they're not needed. They come, they grow age as needed. You do age progression and hypnotically. So, you get a three-year-old who, this is kind of gross, but I had one one of my clients recently, he had a little girl that does art in him, and she didn't have any time to do art. He's a grown adult and she would actually take feces and smear them in the bathroom was a problem because he was on disability and the parents are like, "What?" But it turned out that he had a little girl part who thought it smelled this food smell and she wanted to do art. So, she was just doing that. But once we were able to find out who did that inside and talk to her about no, you know, that's not do that. Plus, we age progressed her. You can do like three years in a very short hypnotic session each time uh to get her up. So, she's already up to, you know, more of a teenager and just doing real art at this point after a few sessions. So there's a lot to it and it's much easier to work with person if you realize that they have these split personalities and that you just go in to to talk to each one and help them and get the, you know, the person, their client to be able to understand. They're not just hearing schizophrenic voices inside. They're actually got little chatter going because their brain is holding because memory isn't just in the hippocampus. It's all over your brain.

[00:19:41]And if you've learned how to dissociate as a young child, mentally escape, you just keep developing another self, another mode or heart or alter if it's extreme thick walls because the abuse was extreme and had so the walls have to be thicker so you can't the uh child doesn't know anything or it can be mild but it so anyway I talked a whole lot sorry about that and let's >> No, no, it's great. No. Okay, I have some questions for you.

[00:20:12]>> Mhm.

[00:20:12]>> So, how do you identify that? So, you okay, let's start at the beginning.

[00:20:22]>> The amnesia walls that go up and it creates a memory that is not accessed.

[00:20:29]>> Correct.

[00:20:29]>> It's not easily accessed.

[00:20:31]>> Correct. that. So is that's what is that what is defined as a splitting of the personality that memory splits?

[00:20:40]>> Yes. Because uh in the diagnostic and statistical manner for mental disorders um it gives the criteria for all different mental disorders, right? And so for the DID or dissociative identity where you've dissociated and have yourself in different identities inside it is the uh criteria is either having two parts or modes or alters if it's extreme >> and that is your kind of your criteria and that's why I I point out that for example borderline personality disorder because you've heard of that a lot of people know about borderline >> well of Of course, they have two parts, right? At least, but they have the angry one, you know, that's just totally devaluing you at times, and then they have another one that's clingy and dependent and is afraid you're leaving them, you know, and so they meet criteria. So, borderline personality disorder is actually a great behavioral description, you know, of uh um but it's not but it doesn't get to the root functioning. They used to call the borderline paradise disorders kind of like impossible to treat. Now they have different um you know they have the dialectical behavior therapy which is very good where they you know help them in groups to develop skills like how do you calm yourself down do mindfulness or different other you know uh skill set to keep yourself intact with your quote chronic borderline personality disorder.

[00:22:15]But uh but if you act and those are very good and helpful but you have to think say a person's going to this dialectical behavior uh groups and then getting their individual u later to kind of you know fine-tune what they got out of it.

[00:22:30]But you've got a person in there that has got complex PTSD or dissociative identity disorder, meaning that they started dissociating, developed a pro a part to handle some ma something that was they were going to have a nervous breakdown. No one's helping them and they've got to develop a part to handle whatever the abuse or neglect or whatever it was. And then they just start having other knowing, oh, anything stressful, I develop another part. And so they go all these different parts.

[00:23:00]Well, let's say you're the a team lead and you're giving a um you know presentation on what's supposed to be done at work and in your audience is all those parts. Well, what if one of them's three years old? How how much is that one really taking in from this presentation about the workload that day? Right? Because these people grow up and they have this and hasn't been identified and they're going to work or they're being married or they're whatever and they're not able to take.

[00:23:31]So, so it's very good the jolly electrical behavior therapy very vital.

[00:23:36]But you got to think too if you've got a young one or you got an antisocial one who doesn't care. He's he's just looking to meet up with his friends later that day to go steal a car, right? You got all these different splits. they're maybe not paying as much of attention as they should be in that meeting that's vital during the skill training for how to, you know, cognitive behaviorally and how to help yourself calm and so on, mindfulness. So, you have to do both.

[00:24:04]You have to help them with skills, but you have to also help that all the people parts inside are getting all the messages. They're all aged up to a point they can do the actual activities. They have to be reached at a their own personal level to help them heal. And eventually you they can actually um no parts actually ever go away, but they can fuse and they can be I call it like if people have ever seen um Spock in um Star Trek where he would do the Vulcan mind mel right and they're telepathic. They're one mind. Well, actually a a goal eventually over time once you've healed he's aged up each part and gotten them healed like oh no grandpa wouldn't want you to be doing something mean he loves you you know you he wants you to be great he's watch you know and so and then that one's not ready to kill itself you know because you don't want to bring fused parts together that are unhealthy right because you want to help each one be healthy be healed get over their trauma and then they can actually jump in together a very small ceremony hypnosis thing and and hypnosis is not necessary to do treatment originally you because you contact the points they'll switch they switch all the time it's the name of the game that they're doing all day long it's like you walk in the room and this one's depressed right and next thing you know you hear them singing songs in the next room you go what what's going on but that's because they just switched something in the environment caused the song to come out the person likes to thing. But anyway, that's an aside. But in this case, you've got to help all of them to heal.

[00:25:50]And once you helped all them to heal, you can do the little ceremony between a pair to bring them to be of the Vulcan mind. Mel go, you know, just be of one mind. And I can give you an example of that. I had one client and his mother had mental illness and it was real hard for him when he was little and he dissociated and he didn't even of course know he's probably 40 50 by that point close to it and he doesn't know that he has this but through the initial time or two we do all the um you know testing and everything and to understand the classic symptoms and get a score for the association so on that he did have it.

[00:26:34]Well, one of the problems that he had was that he uh you know because we're trying to help I'm trying to help a person. We all are as helping professionals with whatever in life is bothering them. They can bring up whatever it is. And of course there's a treatment protocol for helping them you know figure out all their people parts get to help each person part get the me the walls down get the memos through skill sets how do they do that how they do daily check-ins and how they coordinate the team inner team their inner committee set goals and be a good path together. Well, sometimes a problem, for example, in this case with this man, he could never get started at work unless somebody actually came up to him and said, "Hey, Joe," and of course, not his name. "Hey, Joe, we got a problem to solve." You know, then that his worker part was out. Click. You know, that was he knew it was time for worker to come out because it turned out that his um computer guy would do the laptop at home in his man cave right from the family. And so when he would walk into work and sit at his computer, that part wasn't see anything because he doesn't do work. He's in a little man cave at home, right? There's another room with a laptop. So he never came out to the computer. So he couldn't even get started on his computer until somebody walked called him on the phone or came up and said, "Hey, we got a problem solved, you know, and work we know." Oh, I'm up. So we originally very early in his therapy did the little ceremony where they fuse they you know you get that part they get to know each other laptop guy was great to come out more frequently happy to do computer at work and of course the workers been struggling to work and he wants the host wants to work you know get something accomplished not be a procrastinator so they just kind of a little ceremony of getting to jump in they want to do that and of course after they became in one mind vulcan mind meld if you will from then on they're out they have more time out to get in life each of them and they um could get to work no pro more problems with procrastinating at work but that's so it's very deep it's very deep getting to the root functioning but easy if you can learn you know what to do learn the treatment protocol so eventually the goal of course is that maybe everybody body would be healed and you could one by one kind of bring them together. So the person doesn't have to be switching and doesn't have to use all their skills all the time because a person who has this basically every time they make a decision they actually have to go within tell everybody the decision and bring the committee up to stop. It's kind of like you know the president going to Congress to put a bill through.

[00:29:27]they've got to do that as a as their you know it's like oh well tomorrow we're going to the doctor for our checkup and don't anybody do something else so we miss it you know it's a constant you know pass the decisions through the memos to and to the committee and so ideally you'd want to get to the one mind where they're all out at one time nobody's ever going away and they're all functioning out and able to you know be there but that's a process and it requires a lot of inner healing because like what do you do for example with the one that you know had to help the uncle to steal cars as when he's seven and you know and then he's got this whole thing about he's got his antisocial part I mean in the case of Billy he wound up in prison from some serious stuff and um and and that part is got that thing so there's more to it uh we say a lot of times people think of nar narcissism or anosocial as just the personality is sort of the tip of the iceberg. And it's really more to it than that. And people may be good people and and it's this that and the other, but have that that has to be addressed and healed, which is another whole thing because what the big thing people are concerned about is like how do we you know what do we do with someone who's narcissistic or ano? And um that's what we could talk about another time, but it it helps to know that if your mind works that way, the typical symptoms would be like um hearing voices in your head, not schizophrenia, you know, like you're having some hallucination outside you, but just having a voice. And we all have a voice in our head. We all have an ego that might you know say you know you know something like oh this is not worth doing this because the lazy ego doesn't want to work or view that kind of uh negative thinking kind of aspect yourself to self which is a little different than what we're talking about but we've got we need to just kind of be help the person become aware of their people parts and side by um coming to a good therapist who specializes with DID or complex PTSD borderline personality disorder and then helps them to go within to see when they're switching in modes and maybe family members are good at they they'll see this and family members can use help as well because all people have the do have a selfish in a sense we'll just use this porative word narcissistic or competitive or manipulative part because guess what as you get a little older Right? Towards teenage years, you may have had an angry part or some part that was kind of about yourself. And guess what? That starts to develop more when a the person with it becomes a teenager because that's the whole job of teenage years to separate, individuate, be your own person, right? So this part takes that job on and is kind of this narcissistic part to and as most parents know the hardest years are the teenage years. Um because they're kind of children with power. They you know their brains haven't developed a adult non-impulsive level but they're able to kind of do a lot on their own. And so you have someone you have a part that is kind of selfish and sort of that teenage could be just a teenage part can be another part that is a protector basically of the person so that whenever there is any stress that part comes out to put down the enemy is how I put it I kind of call it the terminator you know like Arnold Schwarzenegger there isn't going to let up that part's going to say or do anything to the person so that you know, they'll calm the stress down, calm the, you know, what down. And so that part pops out when there's stress. And by the time they're teens, most of the people who have this are going to have that part. And that part often will undermine relationships. Not not, you know, purposely, but it's their job.

[00:33:42]There's something there stress here. Oh, okay. I'm up. I'm up to bat. you know, and putting the enemy down, telling them off, you know, and the the other person who's got the close relationship with the, you know, their person is in the back, not able to really do much anything and then has to come back out and deal with, you know, the family member telling them how rude they were.

[00:34:04]>> Oh, wow. Yeah.

[00:34:05]>> You know what I'm saying? It's a switching that just it's like a light switch. It's just who whatever's in the environment, the part that does that job comes up and and it could be a school issue when you think about it in the sense of not being able to concentrate can be ADD plus this or it might be just they're not focusing because say they're in the classroom, their student partner looks up but then their friend next to them is talking to them and that and so their social parts out to talk to the friend and then guess what? they get a headache or dizziness because when you when you're in a lot of them don't like to be in group situations at all because that parts are triggered to come out when from the environmental cues and like I just described and so they so what happens neurologically is is it will feel like an inner fight going on so they get a headache because there's two oh okay my student wants to watch the board but this one over here needs to answer so and so friend right because that's job be a nice friend and so you got like a little tension going right in the middle of your forehead you got a headache going or you kind of all a sudden get dizzy and that's no fun right and so but basically the basic symptoms um that people can uh relate to that I've mentioned is hearing these different kind of thoughts your inner voices but usually more than one kind of thing that not like an ego like the angry ego like you absorb from a parent or eating a gluttony ego, you know, or whatever some basic one is or lazy this is worthless, don't bother kind of thing. It's a variety of different kind of inner chatter and of different because you develop different splits and they're all talking in the background and watching and often people will be able to kind of see themselves. Another symptom is they're able to see themselves as if they're looking at another person. Um, and that's a very classic hallmark symptom. They've had this sense of out-of body experience where, you know, maybe they're in the back and they're kind of looking at themselves having an argument with, you know, that other part. South ter they're kind of seeing themselves arguing with their their person and, you know, they can't do much about kind of passively influence. They know what's going on, but but they can kind of see themselves.

[00:36:28]I've heard people say they could sometimes see themselves pouring juice, you know, or walking down the steps. I mean, it's kind of just that because only one's out and the others are kind of observing >> and sometime people will see things in a foggy way or unclear way. All of a sudden they're in the back and they the things are not up close and personal because they're not out active. And then often of course a big symptom would be some amnesia in life. I mean there are people that have it that don't remember anything about a few you know several years of their grades. they don't know second third grade couldn't remember anything about it or they don't remember their you know wedding or whatever you know um it's there's a they do have some amnesia more so than you know typical hey I just can't remember that person's name type of thing or I I forgot did I do but so there's some classic things you can kind of uh rely on to say hm maybe I do have this and maybe I should go and find somebody who has some specialty with uh did to help me with this because it goes super unnoticed. I can give you an example of um uh I was hoping some celebrity would come out and talk about their did right and all of a sudden Hershel Walker do I don't know if you know who a hersel worker is. I'm sure >> a hersel walker actually he was he was trying to be a senator a while back. I thought he became one, but don't quote me on that aspect of it. Hershel Walker was a well-known athlete. He was won the Heindman Trophy. He was the >> Right.

[00:38:09]>> Right. Yeah. He was that, you know, I think he was the quarterback for Dallas Cowboys when they won Super Bowl and so on. Well, when he wrote a book called Breaking Free, this is a book about his finding out he has did and his he and his therapist wrote it to help people to understand this is much more common than you realize. You can super excel. In fact, think about it. If you have a different part that's a specialist in say athleticism like he had a football guy uh that part does nothing but come out and to perfect that expertise of his being a football star. So he wrote the book to help people understand it's got his drawbacks and I'll mention something that happened with him and how he found out which was a real drawback. Um but he didn't know he had it and he um so when football was over because you can't do that level of prowess you know forever and he stopped doing football all of a sudden he and he wrote the book called Breaking Free with his therapist to help people understand how common this is what it is and how you can function because I will say that certainly I've had a lot of you know clients that were doctors and lawyers Indian Chiefs, you know what I mean? That's it's not reserved to people that, you know, don't excel in life by any means. You can. So, here he is. He's can't play football anymore, right? And what he does is he all of a sudden he finds himself going into the bathroom or closet or something playing Russian roulette >> and and he can't stop it, you know? I mean, it's a compulsion. He's just going in and playing Russian roulette. So he takes himself to therapy. Luckily he gets a good therapist who can get to the root functioning of things and um and finds out he has did. And it turns out that that part of him had done nothing for you know decades but adrenaline crunching dangerous activity right ramming and fighting and you know playing football and doing the football aggressive action had nothing to do. So he saw a gun around the house and thought, "Well, this will be fun. I'll just go in bathroom play." Who is getting his vital time out, which of course he could kill himself.

[00:40:35]>> But but sometimes they can think about like, well, he maybe kill Hersel. Maybe not him, right?

[00:40:41]>> You know, it's hard when you're apart inside to really get the full picture of what's going on. That's part of the therapy, you know. So anyway, luckily the therapist um he working with Hershel helped him to understand no you will kill yourself and everyone else and that compulsion went away. they were able to talk it out within to stop the compulsion uh and give uh him I guess other activities that were not dangerous to do because he still was an independent part that had nothing to do unless he was doing dangerous adrenaline crunching you know activity and so and what's also very interesting about Hershel Walker's story and it's a good book and it does give you information about did as well was that when he how what happened when he was younger he had thought he was in the middle of his therapy so he wasn't integrated the point of writing this book is being written together with his therapist but he did um feel at this point so I'm not sure he went totally back to everything that happened to him why he originally dissociated but at that point he thought it was because he was a fat little boy and he got a lot of bullying in school and that can happen that any kind of chronic problem that that you don't have a caretaker they that given up that somebody's going to help them escape. That's enough for a child who can turn his teddy bear into a real, you know, person can mentally escape, you know, and just have another part to handle, you know, school or whatever.

[00:42:20]And so he uh he he developed dissociative disorder early and then when he's in puberty he develops this chronic condition that occurs during puberty which um they their bones and their tendons or muscles do not grow at the correct rate together and it's very painful. A lot of times they can't even really walk. I think I had a neighbor who said her her brother had it. He had to be out of school homebound instruction for like a couple years till that worked itself out.

[00:42:55]Right. Well, not hersel because hersel and this is shows you another thing that's so good about having did not hersel because one of the many parts they have because they have many parts you know they have the teen part they have child part they have the part that holds all the pain the depressed part the you know the you know and so on the spiritual part and so on and so on well they have the holder of emotional pain that holds a lot of stuff they have a holder of physical pain so Hershel has gotten diagnosed with this condition, this physical painful condition. And um he shouldn't be walking or going to school, right, with the pain, but he is.

[00:43:35]In fact, that's when he decides he's going to become an athlete like the rest of his older siblings and he's going to start running. Well, guess what? That's exactly what he did. That's when he began running track and everything because he had a part the holder of physical pain that held the pain. The mind is amazing. And that part would sleep all day and hold that physical part, that physical pain. And Hershel said in his book that the only time that he ever felt pain was right before he started to fall asleep. And that's when of course they would be one in a sense because there's this one sleeping and then he's going to sleep and so they were you know having the same experience and all of a sudden he said he would feel intense pain but he passed right out cuz he was going to sleep and so here he was. So that was one of the things that he wanted to accomplish with this book was to show how adaptive this can also be as well as it created problems like he could have killed himself and thank goodness he got the right therapist and that didn't happen.

[00:44:42]But he was able to go on and begin his his career as an athlete when he had a condition that he shouldn't even being able to walk in and do be in school.

[00:44:53]So it's amazing what the mind can accomplish >> and um but having that part that held that and slept all day and just he fell for two seconds as he fall asleep when he's sleeping but connected to that sleep or older physical pain.

[00:45:11]>> I know >> for people that have lost memories.

[00:45:16]>> Yes.

[00:45:17]>> How do you actually access those?

[00:45:22]Well, I mean, if a person has DID, it's very simple because all you do is sign it like psychonamic therapy where you um and these are all in my books. So, you know, hopefully you can put links to them and uh they're written for for everybody so that it can be easy to understand and and use skills, you know, toolkit for you. But in as a therapist um what you do is not that difficult because that once you do the diagnosis the evaluation you know oh they had different parts maybe you can make a list and you ask them hey who do you see change you change into you know they they can say well yeah I know I go into this one that loves my husband but I have another one who doesn't even think that it is my husband because wants his career you know so make a list or whatever but the other And you can kind of look talk to them individually and bring them up in and if things are not crisis, but generally th something's going on that's disturbing and so do you want that's what you're going to talk about with the person, you know, whatever's bothering that day. So say this person um was uh you know feeling suicidal, right? Like so then you might ask them well where do you feel that in your body?

[00:46:46]>> What are the feelings? Did you have the emotions? What memories are coming to mind um at this time? In other words, was called there's a form of therapy that's very specific. It's called um internal family systems because it's talking about your internal family, right? And the system, your inner system. And it's uh they have the I think it's the five or six Fs. My mind is not placed on it right. But the first one is find find the part. So what you would do is you just you know if that person comes in I don't know what's going on with me. I'm just in this mode this mode you know and so you said let's let's find that who that is right or find what that is that mode is a part.

[00:47:31]So, you get them to think about um and this would also like I was relating to psycho dynamic because you know how people get triggered and they're all mad because somebody took you know their cup and moved it to the left or something at work right and you know it's not that big of a deal that they took their cup and took it off their put to the left.

[00:47:50]Uh somebody else touched it. They know they're being triggered in some ways.

[00:47:53]It's reminding them of how nobody respected their property when they were little or whatever. You know, it's a trigger. So you have them kind of go with the feelings they have and their reactions to see well when did you feel this way before what um you know like you know you I had it's kind like I had one client for example and this isn't just with DID I'm not even sure that I was treating DID it may have been very early in my practice he might well have had it but basically it was a person that his wife was pregnant and he came in because very upset met with her because he worked and he'd bowl every night and when he got home she normally was there and they'd have dinner but she was falling asleep, right? Because she was in her first trimester and she couldn't stay up. So he felt completely abandoned by her which she's carrying his baby and you think she'd be he'd understand. But no, he's triggered.

[00:48:48]Well, when you ask him, well, when did you feel this way? This abandonment and sad and you're alone. Well, it turned out he'd had an alcoholic father who like even when he had an accident didn't even come to get him when the police called him. He was very abandoned. So, we get into the roots of what that was.

[00:49:05]That's kind of the psycho dynamic. You ask yourself when you're triggered and you're all emotionally upset and maybe it's not really something to be that upset about. And you say, "When did I feel this way before? What is this triggering for me? What is this bringing up?" And then you get it. Oh, this is reminding me when I mean I never my dad was alcohol. he never was there and that's what's bothering him more than really that she's trying she's passed out in her first trimester with carrying your baby right so um but in the case with the did it's very similar um you would just you know when they're talking about this state you would be asking them you know well what does this feel like you know where do you feel it in your body you know are you feeling tension are you feeling this that what emotions because there's different types of anx feel all kinds of feelings. You can just like a little feeling chart online. What memories are coming to mind? So then you found that part. Once you got that, it's like then you ask that part or the therapist helps you to ask that part of you just to sit next to you. Nobody's going away. Nobody can go away. You just sit there. You want to have a little talk. And when the person says, "Please just give me space. Move over inside." It's kind of like inner child work, right? like you can talk your adult self with your inner child, the young child self. It's like that kind of work has been around a long time, but you just say ask that part to sit next to them inside and you have a dialogue and you say, "Hey, when did you come with to me?" You know, what was going on in my life that how old are you? Because they may not have advanced, they may not have grown up because they don't have to. They handle a certain are frozen in time. And when did you uh first come to me? what was my what was I doing? How what was I what was my what was happening in life that you came to help me with and then you're able to act because that part will handle will know all those memories from that time. You don't have to try to bring it back.

[00:51:05]You've just contacted that part of your brain that holds all that that mode or that part of you and you can find out anything you need to know about yourself. You know, you just you've started a dialogue. uh oh well this was when you know I don't know you know whatever whatever the uh the stressor was at that time and you can talk to them but also you can get that part of you to grow up age progression hypnosis you can also ask that part to look through the person's eyes the client's eyes at the body because half the time they still think they're the age they were if they haven't grown up and then they're shocked like I had one one client who had a protector you know, which is important. He his father had been physically abusive and to the mom and saw a domestic and then he'd be sort of physically abused through him down steps once and he had this part that would protect and actually would fight and got in a gang as he got older but you know because a friend of his liked to start fights and they developed a part to fight with him right so because he had to have somebody so that part um didn't have any idea he thought so when I had him look through the eyes of you down in his body. He looked down at the body and he thought he was still protecting a 5-year-old boy.

[00:52:24]>> Oh, wow.

[00:52:25]>> No. So, he looks down, he goes, "Wait a minute. This is like a 50-y old man, a strong athletic 50-y old man. I don't know what I'm doing." So you see you can negotiate then because now they get the present and you can say like no you don't need if you hear a noise in the house to come out and start telling everybody off you know and and demanding that people do better because you know it was something that dropped in the kitchen and and you're not he's not there in his home anymore with you know the father's going to beat people up.

[00:52:58]See because parts just don't get it. The memos aren't going through. There's walls. So, does that answer the question? I know it was a long a lot of extra info about how do you access the memories? The accessing the memories when you're feeling out of sorts, you kind of get a real good handle on your feelings, emotions, memories that what youever you can and then you ask yourself, well, how when did I feel this way growing up?

[00:53:25]>> That's if you're of one mind. If you have parts, you're gonna ask that part to move over next to you and do that inner child dialogue work with that part.

[00:53:36]And then when they when they came because that that will be the memories that are being triggered. Then they're still unresolved of being in the middle of like that case of a domestic violence and situation. And that's what was being brought up.

[00:53:53]Oh, >> in the current present situation where they're married in a nice home and somebody drops something >> and the protector comes out to protect, you know, makes sense. If you don't know, but you catch them up and you help them get retrieve, you know, and get to the present as well so they can get a new job and handle the new situation, the real life in a better way.

[00:54:19]>> Wow. Well, this this has been another informative talk. And what what would you recommend for people if they were to start working on the splitting? Which book would you recommend please?

[00:54:36]>> Well, in the love yourself, love your life, the chapter 3 talks about healing emotional wounds of the past in general and also has the create healthy relationship where it talks about did in general. you know it's description treatments and so on. The other one, the knock tip for human consumption, the triggered traumatic memories that I and remember they're in my maiden name Floosa with an FAP FOSA um not Creekmore. That one has a lot. It's got some a great like a PowerPoint and things and it's it gives you a lot more information about it. So, I would go with that one. I also or or the other one too because it's a positive one. But I also do uh have some MP3s or CDs.

[00:55:22]Nobody wants CDs now. So you can just get it as an MP3. It's called it's a hypnosis short 10 15 minutes for anxiety, depression, sleep, and for uh prevention of disruptive behaviors and imbalances in dissociative disorders. I have one CD that's just for anxiety, depression, like addiction, sleep, but I have another one that's specific and it says it's hypnosis for disruptive behaviors and imbalances in dissociative disorders. And also has suggestions for the anxiety, depression, sleep. And that one is great. It really helps people to not switch and have their protectors popping out on people because this helps family members too, right? And family members can help themselves as well because if they realize that the Terminator protectors out is kind of like what I've talked about, maybe somebody who thinks a 5-year-old needs protection, they can just kind of notice that this demeanor has changed and say, "Excuse me, I got to get the mail.

[00:56:24]Excuse me, I got to use the restroom."

[00:56:26]And sometimes just walking away, the person uh that part will just go away because there's no stress. It's kind of like stress is like the red cape to the bull. You know, once that's put up and waved, the bull is charging, but majority of the time the bull is is resting in pasture 80%. So, if you can know if you have someone that you think that you see does this switching and then you see that they might be switching into protective got some stress, you can just kind of nicely, excuse me, I'm going to the mail. and when you get back that part may be in a totally different part. There's been no stress director went on away everything's good. So it's just little coping mechanisms for family members and if they you can get them to get the um CD for or the MP3 for the disruptive behaviors and imbalances and dissociative disorders. The first message is it talks to everybody inside to get go nice relaxed state to get the benefits of hypnosis. And one of the very first the first thing is to say that nobody will come out to handle anything without kind of permission of the host. Uh you know that could cause a disruption like something that's interrupting daily life functioning or or healthy relating and that so and a lot of times that'll hold those parts in. They have the special permission to come out when you've talked about nobody's around. they're not doing something that could be disrupted and because every part wants to be out doing its thing and uh but it can help them to stay in balance so that it really does reduce that terminator protectors or disruptive parts popping out. So it's a it's something I designed myself just to help right to Yeah. And uh so I would say get the uh that hypnosis MP3 that's offered as a product as well on my website. It's on the Dr. Anne Creekmore website. Uh but and it is I think you know under Creekmore the books are on the website too but they're in my main name. I just did it for my family.

[00:58:35]>> Oh well thank you so much. We really appreciate all >> of this information. It's a lot.

[00:58:43]>> Dr. Creekmore.com is the website. Thank you Dr. in and I hope you come back again.

[00:58:52]>> Absolutely. I'll be people have questions and so on. I we can have some time to, you know, answer things as well. But thank you for letting me share because I do worry about people and I I do want everyone to get the help that they need, you know, and uh and you mentioned that in a previous one about David Wilcock that he had the splitting personalities and I thought, well, this might be good way, you know, to help people understand that if that's what he had. I I never diagnosed Jim and I'm not able to of course um but a lot of people have it and they can be helped. So it gives me a chance to share this info and I really do appreciate it. Thank you.

[00:59:30]>> Well, thank you. And if anybody wants to reach out to Dr. An, her information will be listed in the comments down below.

[00:59:40]Wow, this was this was really great. I can't thank you enough for all of this information.

[00:59:46]>> Oh, you're welcome. Thank you so much for the opportunity. It's a pleasure.

[00:59:50]>> Oh, you're welcome.