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And today I'm bringing y'all long awaited interview with one of the loudest upand cominging voices in the culture that has been making noise and helping to shape the narratives going on online. My guy Dog Face is in the building.
>> I swear with you. How you feel?
>> How you feeling, man?
>> I'm all right, man. I'm happy to be here.
>> Yeah, I'm happy to have you here, man.
You've been going crazy.
>> Yeah, a little something.
>> Yeah, definitely. So, I want to get into uh your story about where you're coming from first. So, so fill us in. Where where were you born and tell us a little bit about your upbringing.
>> Uh, I was born in Pontiac, Michigan.
>> Mhm.
>> I moved from Pontiac to Detroit 1986. I was 15 years old when I moved to Detroit.
>> Okay.
>> I move out there to sell dope, active, fool, rob, steal, kill, all manners of of plundering and robbery and thievery.
That's that was me.
>> There wasn't enough of that going on in Pontiac.
>> No. No. I had already mastered all the thievery and robbery up there.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> So, I need a bigger situation to go rob and steal from them.
>> And who put you on to being a robber and whatnot?
>> [ __ ] The culture. The streets. When you from the streets that the streets are the same no matter where you go. From Compton to Detroit, it's the same thing.
From Philly to Compton to New York, the streets are the streets. We all experience all the same [ __ ] >> What do your parents want for you when you clearly went in another direction?
>> Oh [ __ ] man. I wasn't even concerned with that. I was concerned about surviving. I was concerned about doing what I had to do to eat.
>> You know what I'm saying? I was forced into the street. Uh my father when my mother and father got divorced, my mother had a drug habit >> and so that forced me into the streets.
It was it it was what it was at that point in time. I had to do what I had to do to survive.
>> Right. Damn. So it was that crazy. Was your dad not really around too much or what was your relationship with?
>> After the divorce, he moved back down south.
>> Okay.
>> Which is where my parents originally from Alabama.
>> So he moved back down south and it was just me and my mom. My brothers, my older brothers moved back down south with him. It was just me and my mama up here. Okay. And you didn't consider going down south. You weren't interested.
>> No, I'm a baby. I'm a I'm a cancer, so I'm a mama's boy by nature. So, no, I was going to leave my mama no matter what.
>> Okay. For sure. And uh what what did you drop out of school?
>> [ __ ] I didn't drop out. I was I was getting locked up in the youth home.
>> No, I end up getting my GED. So, I got my GED in the training school.
>> Uh-huh.
And what uh like what would uh what what would you have said that you wanted to do with your life when you were you know 15 16? Were you full you already fully on board with like wanting to live a street life or >> So to tell you the truth, right? Um >> I was fully on board with doing whatever it took to survive.
>> Any matter what it was, >> right?
>> You know what I'm saying? I didn't give what it was. Sell drugs, rob, whatever.
Whatever I had to do, I was going to do it. It was simple as that. I didn't really have >> I I didn't want to be Big Meech, >> okay?
>> I didn't want to be Maserati Rick. I didn't want to be none of that. I wanted to be I wanted to survive. So, I was motivated by survival at first. I wasn't thinking about trying to be like nobody.
>> Right.
>> Definitely. You know, you're a funny podcast guest cuz the the pauses just come out of the middle of nowhere.
>> Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't I wasn't focus I didn't look up to anybody, man.
>> Okay.
>> Situation I grew up in was real. So, all I was trying to do is survive. So, whatever it took to survive, that's what I was on. Okay.
>> I didn't I wasn't I I wasn't watching Scarface and say I wanted to be like Scarface. I I didn't want to be like Marco Colony, bro. I was just simply trying to survive. What I became is the direct result of just my journey in the street.
>> Right. So you you're basically saying that like a lot of people get into the street life because they see this romanticized version of it in music and movies and whatnot. For you this was just actually your reality. You weren't really influenced by pop culture or anything like that.
>> No. No. I didn't give a nothing about that [ __ ] I wasn't I wasn't Listen, there are a lot of people nowadays who are influenced by what you just said by pop culture. They don't see it as that, but that's exactly what's going on. The music, the movies, >> uh, the podcast, the YouTubers, they want to be all that. You know what I'm saying? I did what I had to do. Survive.
>> If if you want to be a street dude, there's a lot of people like modeling it for you on the internet. This This is what it is.
>> Hip-hop is a model for all street dumb [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Hip-hop is the number one source of the most ignorant [ __ ] you can find. You can find it on >> Hip-Hop is all these dudes from these environments taking their trauma, repackaging it, and selling it back to people. Mostly people who haven't really been through what they've been through.
>> A lot of these hip-hop, bro, they ain't repackaging [ __ ] A lot of these is just trying to be like somebody else. Most of them are telling somebody else's story.
That's not their story. When you really kind of like look into their background, most of the [ __ ] who are at the top of the hip-hop game, >> they don't come from that, man. They may have It's a difference between coming up around something and seeing something and actually being a part of it. You can be from the streets but not be a gangster. You know what I'm saying? You can grow up in the hood and not be a killer, not be a a gang banger, a gang leader, a drug dealer, none of that kind of [ __ ] You got [ __ ] who just simply existed in the hood and that's what they know.
>> Yeah. No, definitely. How how far into the the street world would you say that you got during this time period? You know, like how advanced did you actually get hustle-wise?
>> [ __ ] I robbed the best of them. You hear me? Robbing anything.
>> That was your primary forte though?
>> I rob I rob a robber.
>> I rob some [ __ ] You mean see nowadays robbery looked that like it's some sucker [ __ ] Yeah. But if you think about this whole country was formulated and formed right the greatest American heroes were the Jesse James where the Billy Billy the kids were the Thomas scene and Bush rides were the uh what's the uh uh uh Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah.
>> Nowadays robbery is looked at like it's some ho [ __ ] like it's some sucker [ __ ] No this country was formed on good robbery train robbery stage coach robbery. So nowadays they look at robbery like it's some ho [ __ ] Oh, if you rob somebody, you ain't no real hustler. I ain't trying to be a hustler.
I'm trying to let you go out there and make it and I'm going to come and take it from you. I'm going come relieve it of you. Cuz most really supreme hustlers, most of them [ __ ] are some [ __ ] ass [ __ ] >> at that time point time period. What were the primary methods by which you would separate somebody from their drugs and money?
>> A pistol. [laughter] >> Yeah. So you talking about just like a one-on-one we going to catch you when you're just walking down. I'mma watch you. I'm I'mma surveil you. I'mma watch you.
>> I I already lined your ass up. You don't even know it, right? So why why should I stand on the block >> all day, all night selling dope when I know you a [ __ ] ass [ __ ] and I know when I put this pistol on your [ __ ] ass, you ain't going to resist. You going to give it to me. Cuz if you do resist, you know what's going to happen, >> right?
>> So I'm not gonna stand out there all day and risk getting I'mma take your [ __ ] And my whole concept was it was a it's a safe way to hustle because you can't call the police. How you going to call the police on me and you selling dope and I take your dope or I take your money from you?
>> How you going to call the police? That's what I thought at first >> until I got into a situation where I robbed the [ __ ] and the [ __ ] called the police and said I took something else other than the drugs and the money from you.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> Yeah, that's how you play it now.
>> So was everything smooth sailing before that incident?
>> Hell no. I been shot, shot at, all kind of [ __ ] You can't be an infected robber and not have gone through there. There are things that happen and you living that life. See, robbery is more danger.
Being a robber is more dangerous than being a drug dealer, >> right? Because you you taking something from somebody who don't want to give it to you, right? And most of these most drug dealers, they in the streets already. They have friends. They have associates. They have uh they they they entrenched into the community. They got the breed. So when you take it from them, >> they ain't going to like it. They ain't going to appreciate it. So they >> they ain't going to come back and do nothing to me personally cuz they some [ __ ] ass [ __ ] But they will pay somebody else to try to do something to you. So, I've been shot up a million times >> cuz like the perfect scenario for a drug dealer is you just sell drugs for a long period of time and nobody with you, nobody rats on you, just everything's smooth sailing for a period of time. But with a robbery, if you're a robbery guy, >> everything is blood and guts. Like this is either going down or they're going to shoot you or like it's you have this one moment of conflict and then you get a bunch of money.
>> As a robbery, your reputation precedes you.
>> Yeah.
>> Once you once you become known as a robber, whenever somebody sees you, they they clutch it.
>> Uhhuh. because they think that you going to do something to them. Even the old lady's afraid of you.
>> So, a lot of people would just hand it over though, but every once in a while you run into somebody who wanted to put up a fight.
>> There was there was resistance at times, but so the whole thing is I come from a situation where I was raised by two of the most dangerous in my city for Pontiac. Suicide is one of them and um Louis boy. And so you can ask anybody.
You can ask anybody who ever been in the MDOC Michigan Department of Corrections.
Louis Boy and Suicide were two of the most violent, two of the most aggressive people that the city of Pontiac ever produced.
>> Um, and [snorts] so when I was young, I grew up up under them. And so at first, I used to talk to people a lot.
>> You know what I'm saying? When I pull that pistol out, I try to coax them out of giving me this [ __ ] Cuz a lot of times when you just cuz you pull a pistol on the [ __ ] don't mean they going to automatically be compliant. They going to automatically just do what you say do. They gonna try to talk you out of it or they gonna try to talk you into into a situation where they can kind of like disarm you or they can pull they [ __ ] because most of the times you robbing somebody they got guns on them too.
>> Yeah.
>> So uh Louis boy and suicide told me you can stop talking so much man. After I got shot the first time, right? You talking too much. Once you pull a pistol out, a pistol is a tool of destruction.
Once you pull that [ __ ] out and point at a [ __ ] it ain't supposed to be no back and forth.
Supposed to drop that [ __ ] like it's hot.
>> And so they told me that you doing too much talking. You going to [ __ ] around and get shot in the face. You going to die this time. Next time you got away this time. Shot you in the side or shot you in the shoulder, whatever. Shot you in the arm. You doing too much talking.
Once you pull that pistol out and a supposed to be no talking whatsoever. A supposed to be no negotiating. Once you pull that [ __ ] out, they supposed to drop that [ __ ] and take it off. It's as simple as that.
>> And pulling a gun on someone to do a robbery is crazy because you're basically putting yourself into a situation where if they reach for their gun or they reach for their waistline or whatever, you got to shoot. And if you don't, your plan is really up because now you both got guns on. Like I mean this this is all bad. You got to be ready to shoot that [ __ ] >> You got to be ready to do it. Got ready to do it all as is what it is.
>> Yeah. Okay. And so did everything kind of change once this one got told on you.
>> No.
>> Was that a major pivot?
>> I went I went to the youth home. I went to the training school. I came back out with robbing again.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Robbery is a sport.
>> And and from what years would you say that you were really heavily doing this before you entered another phase? 84 to ship up to the time I went to prison. I started robbing at 12 years old.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. My first robbery was a strong robbery.
>> Uhhuh.
>> It's a little white boy. He had a bike that I wanted.
>> Right. I couldn't afford it. My mom was on drugs. So I I seen him. He was a target. You hear me? Yeah.
>> So I took him off that and I rolled off into the sunset.
>> Yeah. I'm glad I never ran into somebody like you when I was riding bikes back in the day.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I remember I had a dude come come I was on my bike and he came up and said, "I'll fight you for your bike."
>> And I was like, "No, I'm good." M >> and he didn't he didn't press the issue.
And that's when I kind of realized like oh they ain't really on that on my city.
>> Fight you for a bike is is is like that's like so in the hood amongst black people the equivalent of that is somebody walking up to you and telling you I like I like your shoes.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? Where we from?
When the guy walk up to you that you don't know you ain't cool with. He say I like your shoes. That is uh he's implying that he wants you to take them off.
>> Yeah.
>> So you have a decision to make after after that happens.
>> Yeah. You can either kind of duck your your head into your turtle shell or you could turn up.
>> No, you got to turn up. Ain't no ducking. Yeah.
>> Ain't no ducking ever.
>> Yeah.
>> I've never been known for ducking.
>> No. When you look back on that part of your life though, was it kind of amazing to you that you actually survived and didn't end up getting shot?
>> I'm absolutely surprised. I'm actually shocked. Every day I wake up, I thank God. I thank the universe I'm still here because the fact that I'm anything other than a drug addict, a alcoholic in prison for the rest of my life or dead.
The fact that I'm I'm anything other than those four things, >> it amazes me every day because I should have been dead a long time ago.
>> Yeah. Fact.
>> Yeah. Just based on the kind of [ __ ] I was doing >> uh in the streets and in prison, >> right?
>> I should have been dead a long time ago.
Should have been dead long.
>> Was the the case that sent you to prison like your first major uh legal situation?
>> No. Hell no. That was just See, I robbed white people. You know what I'm saying?
I was robbing black folk of that. When you start robbing white people, that's a whole Devon Devious List. When you start robbing white people, they look at you differently.
>> Not white drug dealers, like white business owners, >> white white business owners. Yeah. Yeah.
Once you start doing that kind of [ __ ] then see the legal system don't give a I mean, they care, but they don't really care. They don't care if [ __ ] kill [ __ ] They don't care if [ __ ] rob [ __ ] right? Once you start crossing over and you taking [ __ ] from white people, >> that's when you have a problem.
>> It's going to be a different level, >> a different level of >> awareness about a different level of looking for you, >> right? Cuz if I shoot you, we both black in the hood. I shoot you, I rob you, whatever.
>> It is what it is, >> right?
>> Cuz the legal the cops are like kind of governed by the the media in a way. And the media is not exactly losing their mind when a random gang member shoots another gang member. But then like there was a girl in Long Beach who like a little girl like a like she might have been 12 or some [ __ ] 14, whatever. She got killed in a driveby >> and everybody in Long Beach still remember that [ __ ] Yeah. And they solved that [ __ ] Yeah. I mean, it was so different than every other gang related shooting in Long Beach.
>> [ __ ] kill [ __ ] kill each other every day, >> right? And those crimes go unsolved or they don't really press it.
>> Yeah.
>> You hear I mean they press it when you become a menace. When you start doing too much killing.
>> Yeah.
>> When you start doing too much killing, they press it. They press down on you.
>> Try to clean that up. But we kill each other every day. You don't see Congress changing laws or you don't [clears throat] see the Senate trying to enact some type of legislation to try to stop that [ __ ] Yeah. Because they don't give a [ __ ] if we kill each other.
>> Like they'll they'll solve it if they can solve it, but they're not going to expend millions of dollars.
>> No, they to do it. Kill each other.
>> Yeah.
>> That's half our problem. If [ __ ] start killing each other, then that's less money we got to spend on locking them dumb ass [ __ ] up. That's just how they go.
>> So So what was the situation that sent you to prison?
>> Uh a carjacking.
>> Okay. So this back in ' 91 '92 carjacking. I was heavy into carjacking.
So I would carjack foreign cars though.
I would take them to a chop shop.
>> I would sell the cars to the chop shop.
>> And there's just so many less concerns during that time period, right? Because you you take a car, >> if you can get away in that moment, then you're good, right?
>> Whereas now, you go steal somebody's Lamborghini, they got a tracking device on that [ __ ] They got cameras everywhere. They got I mean a million different They could track your phone.
So they know you were there.
>> Yeah. All these [ __ ] up. So it is what it is, man.
>> Yeah. Okay. So the carjacking went wrong and you got caught. How'd you get caught?
>> No, I got caught because it was a carjacking ring. It was a whole collective of us running around, you know what I'm saying? Snatching [ __ ] out their foreign cars.
>> Right. Okay.
>> Right. And so one guy one guy got caught and that was a domino effect. All it took was for one guy to get caught >> who didn't want to be said overcharged me. They said we going to charge you with every car jacket that fit >> that fit this to fit the mo. We going to charge with everyone. And that's all it took for him to tell on everybody else.
>> Right. Oh [ __ ] Okay. So, how much time you end up doing?
>> Uh, I got sentenced to 13 to 20.
>> Wow.
>> Uh, I had multiple cases. I had two gun cases cuz you get gun you get the guns with this [ __ ] right? Okay.
>> So, I had a 13 to 20. I had a three to 20, a 13 to 20. I had two two to fours for the gun cases. You hear me? And I end up doing >> out of that. So, I end up So, my controlling sentence was a 13 to the 13 to 20.
>> Okay. Um, I end up doing 17 years of the 20ear sentence I got.
>> Wow. And that's a pretty significant portion of it. Do Were you getting in more trouble while you were in there?
>> I was in prison stabbing [ __ ] up and I call it dope case in prison. I call it knife case in prison.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. So I I I was supposed to do out of the 13 total. You at that point in time you do 85% of your sentence in Michigan.
>> Yeah.
>> So I was supposed to do 11 and a half years before I started to see the pro board.
>> Right. I saw the pro board six times and they flopped me six times.
>> Wow.
>> Because of my behavior inside of the prison.
>> Yeah. And was that just like was that a conscious decision? Was there ever any moment where you were considering like maybe I just need to walk the straight and narrow and stop getting in trouble in here or was that just so not you? It wasn't even a possibility.
>> No man, I was so violent and so aggressive when I got locked up. Before I got locked up, I was so violent and aggressive. So they put me in an environment where I'm in an environment with everybody who I just saw in the street.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And so just because you locked up don't mean violence and aggressiveness stop that [ __ ] kick up a notch because you locked up in So listen in in the MDC they'll put they'll put a [ __ ] who killed three people in the same facility as a [ __ ] who stole the car, >> right?
>> They'll put an armed robber in the same prison with a [ __ ] they'll put if you got three or five years that you can find yourself in a prison with a [ __ ] who ain't never going home.
>> And so you basically vibrating on that same frequency. So I I went from Jackson to Marquette, which is level five. I went from Marquette to Gladiator School, which is Michigan Informatory. You call it MR Gladiator School. So everybody in Gladiator School, it was a prison full of young guys under 26 years old.
>> So you had to be under 26. You had to have more than 10 years to do, >> right?
>> So just imagine you putting you have a prison of 14,500 young [ __ ] in one prison and everybody under 26. You couldn't be over 26 in that prison. If you were over 26, you was a rat and you was running from somewhere.
>> But you was 26 and under and you had 10 years or more, >> right?
>> And the average person had a 15 to 20 year sentence. So just imagine putting young black men and young white men, young Hispanic men in their environment like that. It's all violence, >> right? So nobody giving a [ __ ] >> Was it like gang oriented or no? Was it race related?
>> Gangs. We had gangs. But in Michigan, the religions controlled the prison system back then. Really? Yeah. the Nation of Islam, the melanics and the moral science temple of America.
>> Really?
>> Then you had in Michigan you had GDS, vice lords.
>> Yeah.
>> You had counts, cobras, you and the blood started to come in. The bloods and the crips started to come into the Michigan Department of Corrections in the late 90s.
>> Okay.
>> Definitely start to change.
>> Okay.
>> We saw a lot of bloods, a lot of crips coming into the environment.
>> Right. Definitely. And like what when you say like I was stabbing in there like what are some reasons why you might have ended up stabbing somebody? Was it just about respect? Was it financial in nature?
>> It was about robbery in there. It was always about robbery.
>> Oh, you're taking [ __ ] in there as well.
>> Yeah. Hell, I'm a taker. That's what I did for a living. Professional. Yeah.
You got something. And if you don't necessarily want to give it to me, I It's soft press and it's hard press.
Soft press is when I can convince you with just using words to let me fill your your store list out for you, right?
>> Let me tell you what you going to get.
And then some guys don't resist. Then you have some guys who want to buck up at it because they don't feel like you taking their [ __ ] So I'mma strangle you, rob you, stab your [ __ ] ass. I'mma flush your head down the toilet. I'mma run up in your cell, grab you, slam your ass up against the I'mma bang your head up against the toilet and I'mma shove your head down the toilet and flush the [ __ ] and try to drown your [ __ ] ass in your own toilet.
>> Did you ever do something like that to a guy and then sort of realize like, oh, this guy's actually with the [ __ ] like he's he's not going to just roll over or was that always >> affect matter if you I've had battles where want to fight back. It ain't all about just you just taking advantage of a [ __ ] Right.
>> Most of the times when you get into it with somebody they going to fight back.
>> You know what I'm saying? They going to fight back. But it ain't about whether you going to fight back or not. It's about who the strongest, who the fastest, >> who's the sneakiest, who can get down first.
>> It's like right now, if you can you can have a gun, I can have a gun. Just because I got a gun don't mean that I have the advantage over you.
>> Right.
That's the biggest misconception. Most people who die in the hood, they got a gun sitting somewhere close to them.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> The average person who own that [ __ ] who was street who run robbing and all that other kind of [ __ ] most of them cuz they living that life, so they got a pistol with them at all times. Most of the people get their head knocked off.
They got a gun somewhere within two or three feet of them. Yeah. When they die.
>> And that's why people walk down on people when they ain't really paying attention and shoot them. That's why people do drivebys, etc. >> Yeah. They do that to people who they know might pose a threat. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, uh, what was the most money you were making in prison at a certain point? Were you really like making serious money in there?
>> I was robbing in that [ __ ] >> Oh, that. So, it was more about that than like something >> I caught a dope case in there, too. So, I caught a dope case. That's when I was really getting it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? So, I caught a dope case I think in 2004. I was getting ready to go see the pro board.
>> I caught a dope case in 2004.
>> Wow.
>> They wanted me to tell on where it came from. They basically already knew where it was coming from.
>> I didn't tell. So um they gave me a two to four for that and then I caught a assault case in there. They gave me a two to four for that as well. So that's why I end up doing 17 years.
>> Okay. Holy [ __ ] So as as the 17 year as the end of all that is approaching, how do you feel and what are what are your plans for what you're going to do when you get out, >> man? So listen, I have knocked up since I was 21. I went in at 21. I came home at 38.
>> Insane.
>> Yeah. So um I was in the next nail line while I was in prison. So I was reading even though I was doing all that crazy ass [ __ ] I used to get kicked out the Nation of Islam for robbing and stealing and all other kind of [ __ ] but I had to survive.
>> So I was more concerned with survive than I was actually trying to be a good member of the Nation of Islam. So they used to always kick me out, >> right?
>> They used to always kick me out.
>> Definitely.
>> Yeah. Cuz you ain't supposed to be, you know what I'm saying? You ain't supposed to be the aggressor and word action deed. You ain't supposed to be robbing the [ __ ] You ain't supposed be selling dope, right?
>> You hear me?
>> But I did what I had to do. I put my own personal wants before the religious organization I was in.
>> Right. And and from like more of a outside macro perspective, what was it that made you this person?
Was it just purely the fact that you felt like you needed to do it to survive or was there something inside of you that was just like I'm just this guy?
No, it was like, man, so I come from a situation to where made me do it was, "Hey, listen, man.
You a [ __ ] ass [ __ ] and you got something I want." It was as simple as that. It was no, it was no grand plan.
It was no grand scheme. It was no Freudian explanation for why I was doing what I was doing.
>> If you had something I wanted, I was going to take it from you. Period.
Simple as that.
>> Yeah.
>> That's that that's the beginning and end of it.
>> You had something I wanted, I'm going to take it from you. I'm a taker, >> right?
>> I was a taker.
>> Yeah, >> I was moving out of >> Sometimes I'll meet people like uh who that kind of goes through my head is like, wow, this guy like somebody could totally take their [ __ ] and they're just not going to really be capable of doing anything about it. But then I also don't have the thing in me that is like, you know what, I'm going to be the guy.
>> Yeah, that's takes [ __ ] >> The majority of humanist, so listen, the majority of the human population, they're not as violent as I was. They're not as violent as what we see in the hoods across that's not the majority of the people. But you sound like you were very very violent even compared to the average guy from the hood.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I was robbing who were violent themselves and I was robbing [ __ ] who had friends who who who were going to get violent on their behalf, right?
>> So I knew what I was doing. I knew what the consequence was.
>> So So what was your plan as you were approaching uh leaving the prison?
>> Oh [ __ ] man. I had kids. So what happened was what really >> conjugles or what? Or from before?
>> Yeah. All right. So what what happened was is that um after just reading, studying, right? My grandmother passed away. When my grandmother passed away, she wrote me a letter right before she passed away.
>> And her letter said, "Don't just give them your life like that. You're smart.
You're intelligent. There's so many more things you can do besides just giving your life away like that." Because right now, you just giving your life away >> by being locked up. And I was doing all kind of stupid crazy ass [ __ ] while I was locked up. I didn't give a my whole plan. I had a 20 year tail. I was going to do the whole 20 cuz I I had stabbed so many people. I had been so many fights and so many I had been so much [ __ ] I didn't think I was ever going to get no parole, man. I had so much [ __ ] I think I caught like about 50 tickets over that 17-year bit, man. I didn't think I I thought I was going to max out. I was all prepared to max out. I had did 17 years. I had three more years to go.
So, it was almost a surprise that you got out three years before. When I when I went to I went to the pro board, man, I was I was shocked. I wasn't even going to go. I was like, I'm going to max out this [ __ ] I already been locked up 17 years. I got three more years before I max out. They got to let me go in.
>> Yeah.
>> I was I was all prepared to max out. I went to see the pro board cuz my man, to tell you the truth, it was my man named Tricky from LA. He a [ __ ] >> Okay.
>> He got caught up in in a in a robbery murder situation in Michigan. And he was one of my he was one of my main partners while I was in prison. Uh they kicked my door back and said, "Man, the pro board here to see you, right?" Like, "Man, close my door. I ain't going to go see no pro boy. I got three more years."
>> So my man said, "Listen, I ain't never going home."
>> He said, "Whenever whenever these white folks give you an opportunity to fight for your freedom or to speak for your freedom, >> you take it. Don't never just sit in here and just give up like that. Cuz even though you only got three years, man, uh whenever you get the opportunity to go to fight for and be able to talk for your own freedom, you take it. Cuz I'm never going home." M.
>> So that's why I put my clothes on and went to see the parole board. When I went to see him, you ever see uh Shaw Shake Redemption?
>> Yeah.
>> When he went in there, he's like, "Man, I don't even give a man. Whatever y'all going to do, do it. I don't give a >> I had that kind of attitude."
>> Right. I had that kind of attitude. So they asked me what what was that going to do when I got home? I said, "I don't know.
>> I ain't got a clue."
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz I had three years left. So I I ain't give a >> Yeah.
>> Right. And he said, "When you when you go home, what's the first thing you going to do?" I said, "Uh, I'm going to go spend some time with my kids. take and get some ice cream. And in and u her name was Barbara Samson. She was the head of the pro board. She's like, "Uh, you ain't going to go have have sex with with your lady?" I said, "No, I've been jacking off 17 years." [laughter] No, I ain't thinking. I'm thinking about I'm going to go spend the first thing I'm going to do when I can get free or if I ever get if I get free is I'm going to go spend some time with my kids, take them get an ice cream cone.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? Cuz it was raised. She had to raise him without me.
>> Yeah. So, the first thing I was going to do, the first thing I told I was going to do my kids. And she said, "Really?"
I'm like, "Yeah." Like, "You ain't going to go go to go have a drink or go smoke weed. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't use drugs." And no, I'm going to go get my kids and take them to get the ice cream cone.
>> Right. I got up and I walked out. They said, "I get an answer in the mail."
About three about three weeks later, uh, it said, "Oh," they said, "Pack up." I said, "Where I'm going?" Like, "You going to the re-entry program?" They had a re-entry program. They put gas who got parole. It was like a three-month program you had to go through kind of like to help you get your ID, your social security card, you know what I'm saying? Trying to figure out what your home situation was going to be.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. And I was shocked. I was shocked.
I like I damn started crying. Wow.
>> I cried three times while I was in prison. And that was the that was the that was the last time I cried.
>> Wow. Okay. So, you get out and then what what do you actually start doing? Like you go through this whole re-entry program and everything, but like what what do you end up doing and what's life like?
>> Oh, I came home. I got married immediately. And I came home >> to the mother of your kids.
>> Yeah. Nice.
>> And I got married immediately and she was doing she was doing so well. So she put me in a position >> to do well. I was lucky to have a woman who believed in me.
>> And she held you down the whole time.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. That's amazing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. She held me down. And even times even during that 17 year period, she she was in relationships, but she never stopped coming to see me. She never stopped bringing my kids to see me.
>> She never stopped writing me even when she was in a relationship.
>> Okay.
>> Because I I I wouldn't I I didn't look at it like she was my woman. Yeah. Yeah, >> cuz you ain't my woman. I've been I've been in prison forever. You hear me?
>> So, I kind of like changed the dynamic of the relationship to where we became friends.
>> So, it wasn't about no expectation. So, when she had when she had when she had trouble with some of the guys that she was dealing with, she would come and tell me about it. She would call me or come on the vision and tell me about it, right? Cuz one of the when I was locked up, man, one of the old guys who helped school me to the prison system told me that a lot of guys lose their female.
Not because the female don't love you, but because the longer you in prison, those females are going to have relationships.
>> Right.
>> And when you press them about it, all you going to do is push them away from you.
>> Right.
>> Right. So, I changed the relationship from one where you're the mother of my kids to >> you like my sister. We friends. So, no matter what you do, you can come tell me.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? You ain't got to be worried about me tripping about you with no [ __ ] That's a very mature perspective from someone who it doesn't seem like was behaving very maturely in other aspects of your life. Like all the stabbing people and all this kind of [ __ ] is like pretty immature realistically, but that perspective seems very mature cuz that's how you're going to hold on to her.
>> I got locked up. Somebody pulled my coat tail. You know what I'm saying? Cuz now you So I grew up my older brother was uh >> so it's kind of like I'm the youngest of four boys. My oldest brother a jazz afficionado. He loved jazz. Okay.
>> Right. So prior to him getting locked up, he was the one who was kind of like schooling me to certain [ __ ] And so um one of the things that made the older guys in the prison system gravitate towards me is that >> back then jazz was a major component in terms of music in the prison system.
Right. Okay. So a lot of the old heads, they've been locked up 20, 30 years and they were jazz. They ain't listen to hip-hop, listen to all jazz. So because my older brother was a jazz head, I knew about >> Grover Washington Jr. I knew about Chick Korea. I knew about Alexander Jean Jin.
knew about Manhattan transfer. So the old guys when they would have conversations about music, >> they could talk to me about it. I'm the young dog who knew about jazz. So a lot of them said, "Well, if you came for something like that, we're going to try to school you on what it takes to survive in the prison system." So I was around some of the most legendary >> uh Suicide Louis was in there. Auto X was in there. Uh M1 was in there. Uh Lan Spencer was in there. I was around some legendary men who kind of like >> they uh they took me under their wing.
>> And so do you uh at that point once you're out are you are you basically free of the streets or do you are you getting back into trouble?
>> Yeah. When I came home I was free of the streets, bro. Okay.
>> I was done with that [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? I never jumped back into the streets cuz I came home. I came home. I got a job.
>> I got a job and then I started a couple of businesses and the businesses start to flourish.
>> Okay. What was the job?
>> I was a janitor, man. Remember my first job I came home cuz when you're in prison you get a job as a janitor type [ __ ] right so I came home first job I got I was a janitor I was stripping waxing floors >> in a a plant in a car manufacturing plant >> and from there I became a supervisor from there I became from a supervisor I became a site operations manager from there I became a regional manager and from there um it just catapulted into just different things I worked for Chrysler I worked for General Motors as a site operations manager I worked for the airport I got a job at the airport as a supervisor in the airport.
>> Is the prison time a big negative on your uh you know resume when it comes to getting those kind of positions?
>> It it it can be but I was like so long.
So what happens now is is that so most employers they only look back 7 to 10 years.
>> Okay.
>> I had been gone 17 years.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> So when it came time for me I didn't know that at the point in time when I started to fill out applications and I started to get hits. Uh there was a couple times where the the the HR manager said, "You ain't had to put this down cuz we only to go back seven years.
We only go back 10 years. You've been gone since since Jesus walked, right?
You ain't got to put that [ __ ] down."
Because most companies don't do lifetime background checks unless you working in something where it has to do with money, right?
>> A banking system or something like that.
But most plant jobs, especially in Michigan, they only look back seven to 10 years.
>> Okay. So you start you basically build a whole life for yourself doing all that stuff like having a traditional job and you're making serious money and you're still with the mother of your kids at that point.
>> How do you end up like getting more involved in the media side of things? Is that the next step from this or is there other stuff in between?
>> The next step was well the media [ __ ] came is I was rapping when I came out of prison, right?
>> Okay.
>> I realized I was too old to be rapping.
I'm 40 years old. You don't only hear what the I got to talk about.
>> You're 40 right now?
>> No, I was 40 prison. I was in 40 years old. The media thing came in is that I'm the first person >> um to do urban podcasting in the city of Detroit. I was on internet radio platform >> and I changed that. I changed I had a show that came on once a week called Unleashed.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Uh a friend of mine named Sessions is the person who actually helped me start that [ __ ] right? [snorts] I was on a internet radio platform called Worldwide Core Radio. The person who led that to me was my man Session. And so I was always an opinionated crazy [ __ ] talking [ __ ] Even in prison that was a crazy talk.
>> The internet radio side of things. What year are we talking?
>> That's 2010 11.
>> Oh wow. That's super.
>> This is before YouTube actually kind of like took off. Right.
>> And so what happened was is that when YouTube started to come into effect, >> the same person who introduced me to Internet Radio said we should jump on YouTube. We should take our shows and film them and slap them on YouTube. At that point in time, nobody knew what the podcast was. The only examples I had for podcasting was like >> Howard Stern. Yeah.
>> In the Rush Limbbo show, there was no urban podcasting. The term podcasting wasn't even part of the urban vernacular at that point in time.
>> Even me, I didn't become a podcast fan until probably like 2013. I really discovered like Joe Rogan and [ __ ] Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, I started it. Uh it took off crazy. Uh you've interviewed some of the biggest rappers in the city, Detroit.
Some of the biggest rappers in the city of Detroit. Their first podcast experience was on my show in 2011, 2012.
And there was that was a glorious time period where a lot of people did podcast because they just didn't have the same understanding of podcast that we have now where people now >> they want to get paid or they just don't they don't want to do too many interviews cuz they're trying to protect their image etc. There's a lot of crazy podcasts that came out in the early days of hip-hop podcasting that probably will never happen again you know.
>> No never happened again. Yeah. Never happened again.
>> Yeah. That's crazy. So, uh, okay. You get into doing that kind of content, but then at what point does like how does that slowly transform and grow as the years go by? Like >> just my personality helped you grow.
>> Okay.
>> I was always a shit-talking rebel rousing ass. You hear me? I was already I was always a rattlesnake ass >> and I was I was I've never been afraid to to to speak my opinion. So, that's what helped it grow.
>> I became more notorious because on my podcast, I would just simply tell the truth about all the [ __ ] that I was singing.
>> Right.
>> Right. You can't be effective as a podcaster if you're afraid to tell the truth.
>> Yeah.
>> Simple as that.
>> You'll never make it nowhere. Most of the [ __ ] that happens in the urban environment, right? Most of that [ __ ] is dumb, ridiculous, stupid ass [ __ ] >> If you are a person who's afraid to tell the truth about it, you never get nowhere. People like controversy. That's why people fall in love with the Charleston whites of the world. That's why people fall in love with >> some of the more controversial types who exist in the whole podcast YouTube space.
>> Yeah. If you're a truth teller, whether people like it or not, your brand is going to grow faster than somebody straddling the fence, sitting on the edge, don't want to tell the truth about something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's >> I became known as a person who no matter what, I'll put I'll tear your ass up.
That's what it was. I'm going light your ass up >> because everybody knows that if you go like hang out with the guys outside the liquor store or whatever, if for me it was like hanging out at the skate park with a bunch of BMX skate skate dudes, whatever. It's like dudes opinions about rappers or what's going on in the culture or whatever are super like untethered by like being polite at all.
Like they don't give a [ __ ] about that.
People are saying, "Man, I hate this rapper. He's a [ __ ] He's a hoe. He's a whatever." Blah blah blah. But then meanwhile, if you want to like hear people express those exact same viewpoints on a podcast, it's like pretty tough because people don't really love to, especially once you get to a position of power or influence, people don't love to hop on a podcast and basically ruin any chance of ever having a relationship with that person or rapper. And so over the years, I've ran into that a million times with different podcast hosts where it's like, "Oh, you're never going to be a great podcaster because you want to be able to see this dude and this dude in the club and be able to pop a bottle with him and take a shot, etc." And that's probably not going to happen. Now, to be fair, now we have people modeling it where like academics is very, very outspoken >> and seems like he can kind of like maintain relationships with rappers a lot of times even despite being outspoken because he's not >> afraid of him. afid, >> but also he manages to do it in a way that's not necessarily super disrespectful, which I feel like sometimes I have an issue with that.
>> He get disrespectful.
>> He can, but it's not him and Little Baby. Would this happen with him and Little Baby?
>> He probably ain't going to be popping name bottles with little baby in the near future. Yeah, >> probably not. Yeah, >> maybe one day. Yeah, >> probably not. But that's what it is, though. So, the whole thing about the podcast space is you can't be afraid to tell the truth and you can't be trying to be friends with all these >> Listen, so there's never a shortage of content. M >> because [ __ ] is always doing dumb [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Every day you wake up is [ __ ] doing new dumb [ __ ] >> right? So there's never a shortage of information. There's never a shortage of subject. Listen, we went to sleep one day, woke up the next day and poo shing them allegedly robbed Gucci Man, >> right? Would have been hard to imagine a few days before that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. We go to sleep the same night we wake up Gucci Man and make statements against. Right.
>> Yeah.
>> We go to sleep, we wake up, some other dumb ass [ __ ] is going to happen.
>> Yep. We're never going to have it's never going to be a shortage of content because the content is just simply looking at the lives of people who are >> who are entertainers.
>> Yeah.
>> Who are athletes, who are famous, who are celebrities. There's never going to be a shortage of that because most of those people who have celebrity status, most of them [ __ ] are stupid as a >> mother >> and they're rushing towards their own destruction.
>> Yeah.
>> There's never a shortage of that.
Sometimes it feels like so many people have been killed or locked up that it does feel like there's like almost a limited number of people that like are really worth paying attention to, but then new [ __ ] just unfolds like the Bushy and Gucci Mane thing. Like especially within specific communities like in the Soundcloud world, it's like damn, all these fools got killed or overdosed and then in the drill world everybody getting locked up or or or or getting killed. But yeah, I mean like there's always gonna like the culture will always find new people to pay attention to.
>> You're never gonna go out of business.
I've been critical as a you [snorts] and you've know and you know I have right somewhat >> right I've been critical as of you and here are some of the things I've said about you sure right I never called you a culture vulture >> okay >> because I know the culture that we live in >> all the things that we consider like hip-hop for example >> hip-hop was not is not just a black thing hip-hop is a Latin thing hip-hop is a white thing some of the most legendary figures in hip-hop were whiter than you are right now the Rick Rubin's of the world some of the most influential people in in hip-hop They come from different walks of life and different racial racial backgrounds. Uh I've been critical of you because I I have felt like [snorts] that. Um I've called you Jerry Springer.
>> You remember that?
>> That's fair.
>> Yeah, I've called you Jerry Springer. I said some >> I'm a big Jerry Springer fan.
>> Jerry Springer. All [ __ ] you a [ __ ] >> Thank you.
>> You're a [ __ ] You an honorary [ __ ] Come on. Bring >> I'll take that as a compliment specific context. Listen, Jerry Springer's biggest fan base was >> unemployed people >> watching TV in the middle of the day, [laughter] >> mother. Right.
>> But a a large percentage are probably black people watching that [ __ ] >> Poor people. Poor people. Yeah. Right.
You don't see the You don't see the director of Microsoft watching Jerry Springer. Yeah. Right. So, that a it wasn't even about race. It was about just It was like like a status thing. It was less about race, more about static.
I've called you I've called your show a might a modern day Jerry Springer.
>> Uh I never called you a culture vulture and I never said that you were the police. I never said Vlad was the police. You know why?
>> Because you don't go looking for crime to talk about.
>> If you interviewing somebody and they and they're stupid enough to expose some type of criminality on your show, that's not your fault.
>> Your job as a content creator is to get the story that nobody else can get.
Right.
>> Right. If >> that's your job. So if I if you know something about me and you ask me something about my past or if you ask me about something that you know I'm involved with, it's your job to get the scoop as a content creator. Who wants to who you don't want to interview me if I'm saying all the same [ __ ] that I said to him, him, him, and her. No. No job as an effective content creator is to get the story, to get the scoop. Mhm.
>> So if a a rapper or somebody in the street is stupid enough to tell you something >> that they shouldn't be telling you, that's not your fault.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. And I saw you and I've heard about you taking content down when you had when you were sitting across from somebody and they were stupid enough to talk about a crime that was unsolved.
>> Yeah.
>> And so at first I was just hyperritical of you, right? Until I somebody pulled my coat. I think Cliff World Cliff World is the one. Shout out to Cliff. Yeah.
Cliff World told me like, "Man, Adam, there have been so many guys have incriminated themselves on Adam's show and on No Jumper just as a whole. Even though on No Jumper News and Adam reviewed that [ __ ] and told he would take that [ __ ] down. It may have been too late in some respects."
>> You hear me? Like when you had the baby shooters and the >> uh what's his name? What's the [ __ ] name? Uh uh Loose Cannon.
>> Right. Loose Cannon sit on your show and talked about >> all kinds of criminal [ __ ] >> Yeah. And you took it down.
>> Well, I took that down specifically because I thought Big U was going to sue me.
>> You took it down. Nevertheless, [laughter] >> you hear me? Sue you for what? You going to sue me because somebody else said something about you?
>> Uh, he was like basically threatening us because he said that we were I mean, >> he was never going to win that in court because you didn't say it and you were not pushing the narrative.
>> Yeah. I mean, we were really just asking this guy Loose Cannon about this story that he had that, you know, it was well supported the fact that he spent all this time with Big U. He was telling us about stuff that we had never heard of, like, oh, me and Big You used to go rob dispensaries together and then we would go chop up the money and he would stiff me on some of the money, [ __ ] like that.
And we'd be like, we're sitting there like, got like Big You doing [ __ ] like that. Like, we had never I I didn't know.
>> Hey, listen. Loose Cannon is arguably one of the stupidest that the streets have ever saw. Yeah, >> whether it's LA or New York or whatever, you can't find many more >> people who were as stupid as he was, >> right? He locked up right now because he put himself there, right? People blame Wack and I don't like Whack at all, >> period. I don't like Wack's get down. I don't like his politic. But the one thing that Wack is good for is manipulating stupid ass to get them to do what he wants them to do. And the the specific situation with Loose Cannon, there's probably no more extreme example than him doing it with him. Yeah. He fully like weaponized this dumbass dude to basically over somebody's under indictment right now because he was listen hated Big U so much.
>> Yeah.
>> And so the whole thing with Wacky is the the the the the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So he took Loose Cannon and he took all the things that Loose Cannon knew. Loose Cannon knew more about Big You than Whack ever did. And they were both they were all friends at one point in time.
Whack was friends with Big You at one time, but Loose Cannon was like his his drone. He was like his m dog, >> right? And so Wack 100 used Loose Cannon to expose Big U in such a way to where Big U was doomed. The second that Loose Cannon came on your show, >> he was Big U was true. Yeah, >> he was true >> because this telling stories about Chris about U-Haul trucks getting stolen from the Big U's house. He's telling stories about uh uh Meek Meek Mills getting getting cornered in the club.
>> Yeah.
>> He's telling stories about extortion, robbery, assaults, all things that he was involved in.
>> Yeah. Like as if the statute of limitations is like just a couple years and this is all good.
>> Listen, you he's in prison.
>> Yeah.
because he told stories about big used criminal activity. And guess who was involved in it?
>> Him. It don't get no more stupid than that.
>> No, it's astonishing. Yeah.
>> On a level of stupidity, if 10 being the highest, right, that [ __ ] is a [ __ ] He's an imbecile.
>> The dumbest.
>> He in prison because or he fa to go to prison because of his own level of stupidity. And he was used like a pond, a wax chessboard. I mean the situation with loose Cannon where him and his boys beat the out of a dude in the alley. I mean >> right out here right out there.
>> I mean listen like I respect doing that to someone. If you got an issue with somebody, you feel like somebody disrespected you, you want to beat the out of them. I mean that's how it goes.
But then you posted the video.
>> Mhm.
>> And now like very recently all the other guys from that situation got arrested >> and like they already got this whole case against Loose Canon. I guess this gets added to it at some point. But like the level of stupidity to do that and then post that is breathtaking.
>> Listen to this, right? Let me tell you.
We in LA right now, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Attention all crips.
Wack 100 got a thing for y'all. Wack 100. He's going to use y'all own desire to be famous. He's going to use Clubhouse.
>> He's going to use YouTube. He's going to use, if he can, Adam 22 is no jumper.
He's going to use academics, he's going to use YouTube to destroy as many crips as he possibly can.
>> When you heard him say there are no pyules or bloods on Big U's case in the witness list, >> they're all crips.
>> Yeah.
>> He helped guide them towards that end.
But who besides the loose cannon thing, which I agree, he kind of used loose cannon as a ventriloquist dummy to help get >> his new dummy's baby shooter. That's his new dummy. That's a new [ __ ] dummy with respect to the crips.
>> Okay, >> that's his next contestant. He's the next contestant on the Price is Right to do all the Wack's bidding.
>> I feel like him and Whack had like relatively limited interactions so far, right?
>> Well, Wack know he's limited cuz he's stupid. He He almost as dumb as loose Cannon. So Wag know he can only use him so much and the the cat is out the bag.
We watch you break big you down. We watch you line loose Cannon up, right?
>> Yeah.
>> We watch the whole thing when I saw them sitting right here where I'm sitting right now and they were talking about what were they talking about right here?
Oh, the Nipy Hustle situation.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> When Wack 100 sit right here and Loose Cannon sat right here. You remember what I'm talking about?
>> And Wack sitting there acting dumb as >> Yeah. He dumbed it down. So >> acting like he had no idea. Bruce Canon is talking about he knows that Big U called him and told him that Nipy Hustle was dead >> an hour before he died.
>> Right.
>> He sat right here. No, nephew. Tell him.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh uh. He jump. He He Well, so what happened? Oh, he called me and told me that somebody killed Nip.
Really? Somebody killed Nip? He called Nip. Nip answered the phone.
Oh, Nip ain't dead. A half hour later, an hour later, Nip dead.
>> Yeah.
>> He [clears throat] loose Cannon sat right here and told the story about a premeditated murder, >> right?
>> That hadn't happened yet.
>> Yeah.
>> And he was proud to say it.
>> I've still really haven't met almost anybody who gives any kind of credence to that story, though. I haven't met anybody who really buys it.
>> It don't matter. The whole thing is public perception. You mentioned perception earlier. Yeah.
>> The perception, right? Once you turn Big U into a boogeyman >> and then all manners of what? Once you turn him into a boogeyman and once you convince LA and convince the world of music and entertainment that he has to go, once you start to expose all his dirty dealings, >> right? Same thing happened with Su Knight. Once once people take aim at him and start exposing him and start exposing all the different things he did, it makes it easy for the public to dislike him. Once the public starts to dislike him, they seek to they want to move him off the chessboard.
>> But to be fair, what uh Big U was being investigated by the FBI way before Lewis Cannon ever came on No Jumper with Wack.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, >> and Wack helped him. He aid and assisted in his downfall.
>> Yeah, I respect that. If I really hate somebody, I want the feds to come get them.
I ain't with all that gangster [ __ ] like, "Oh, free my enemies." No, imprison my enemies. kill my enemies.
I'm not going to do it to them.
>> But I I would be happy to sit back and watch somebody else do it.
>> Listen, so >> cuz you ain't from the streets.
>> Yeah.
>> So you ain't you never raise your right hand and pledge allegiance to the streets. No, >> right.
>> And because you haven't done that, people don't look at whatever you do is what you do.
>> Yeah.
>> You're not a part of the streets. You're not a part of the street element. So you can do whatever you want to do. Yeah.
>> And we can call it fair game. It is what it is. You may not like it, but you're not a part of the whole street culture.
So you're not expected to stand on [ __ ] >> Yeah. Let me ask you this. What was the first thing that went viral that you said on more of like a Detroit Underground level or whatever when you're doing the podcast and stuff? What was the the first time that you realize like, "Oh [ __ ] the stuff I say on here can really make [ __ ] shake."
>> When I started to criticize Detroit rappers, >> when I started to criticize their lack of real involvement in terms of pushing the moving the culture forward. Um, on the first thing I said was I criticize Eminem.
>> Okay. When you criticize Eminem, it's like a Detroit has a lovehate relationship with Eminem.
>> Yeah.
>> They recognize that he's a great MC, but when it comes to what he has done for this generation of hip-hop artists, >> it's like less than zero.
>> It's like minus 10.
>> Yeah.
>> In terms of his influence on this generation, they recognize him. They respect him for being a great MC, but in terms of having his hand >> trying to usher people to superstardom, >> there's nothing there's nothing there about that.
>> Yeah. No. And that does stand out to me a lot, too. that there's so many more like cool simple things that he could do to kind of >> criticize Eminem. There's always going to be like a lovehate situation in Detroit.
>> Like Detroit rappers will always go viral for saying like nobody listens to Eminem where I'm from, which is so unbelievably obvious. They ain't nobody in the past 20 years in the hood been listening to no Eminem. But they could still go viral every time they say it because the media >> just he's such a big name that they just love to just take that. It's like a rapper, a a young rapper will always say something about like Tupac or Biggie and go viral. Yachty did it. Lil Xan did it.
03 Greo did it. It's like, but it makes sense. These been dead since you were a little kid.
>> And like, of course, like you're probably not going to be feeling them the way that the prior generation felt him, but it just goes viral every time.
>> Every time. Every time. I mean, the Eminem thing is kind of like dying down.
>> Yeah. because generations past his influence on the city of Detroit and there's a bunch of misconceptions people talk about Eminem >> they're not disrespecting him to say that he has no presence or he has no influence >> because he just doesn't most of the rappers now who you've interviewed they didn't they they recognize that he's a good lyricist >> but >> the things that he talk about [ __ ] that the subject matter that he raps about those things don't coincide with the way they grew up the neighborhood things they went Eminem's music is not the soundtrack for little black boys and girls who live on the east side or west side of >> music has gone in the total opposite direction where if you want to look at like what made Detroit pop off so crazy music-wise four or five years ago was basically just a bunch of dudes being willing to just be funny and have great observations and be witty and just be kind of silly on the mic in a way like you know like where they're gangster and [ __ ] you know I swear VZO but or a Rio the young OG was obviously Flynn or whatever. But like these dudes are all like they're not super lyrical, but they're fun and they can make the street life appear to be like this really like, you know, they're inventive lyrically.
They make good songs, etc., but it's just that that's the direction hip-hop's going in. Hip-hop's going in a direction where somebody like Playboy Cardi is barely even a rapper in this new generation absolutely worships him.
>> It's like an alternative artist now.
>> But meanwhile, what is what is Eminem?
He's just a pure rapper. He's a dude who sits around with his notebook putting complicated words together all day.
That's like the least appetizing thing possible for the new rapper. He's a genius. But he doesn't speak to the young black boys and girls who are from the urban environment. So therefore, because he doesn't speak to them, he doesn't have the lyrically. He doesn't speak to them. Yeah.
>> Right. He doesn't have the influence over there or on him. Yeah. It's as simple as that.
>> He's like the best rapper who makes the worst music >> because nobody trying to hear that [ __ ] >> Nobody trying to hear that [ __ ] And listen, Detroit, this generation of hip-hop artists in the city of Detroit in terms of going global, >> they owe all that to T Grizzly >> because first day out >> and I don't know if people see people don't really see Detroit is a hard city to be in. They don't ever want anybody to credit.
>> But so the type of so the street element, the ice vezos, the solid babies, the baby face rays, the peeies, all them, right? Yeah. They were all local and regional stars.
>> Yeah.
>> But T Grizzly success, the success of First Day Out, he showed the labels that the street, the genuine street sign from Detroit, it could be profitable.
>> Yeah.
>> And so the success of First Day Out, it opened up the door for all the other street [ __ ] Mhm.
>> It showed the Gazies. It showed the the the the Leo Cohens and the Kevin Lyles.
Oh, this [ __ ] the street [ __ ] It ain't just about the backpack rap. It ain't just about the big shines respectfully and the M&M's. Oh, this [ __ ] has legs >> and we can make money off of that. First Day Out opened up the door for the hood [ __ ] for the rank and file hood [ __ ] First Day Out made little black boys and girls who grow up in poverty believe in hip-hop again.
>> Yeah. Because Eminem is so far removed from the streets and the big shines >> is so far removed from the >> young boys, the horrors of the street >> that they didn't really look at him and and use him as a beacon as an example.
Trizley come from the gutter.
>> So that first day out, >> he [snorts] is the person that showed the world that Detroit Street sound >> could be profitable.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And once they once he showed the executives that they could they could be profitable, everything else start to unfold and open up.
>> That really was like the opening up of Detroit Street Music.
>> Anybody say it ain't >> I remember I had these uh young BMX dudes who were around me at that time cuz I was still like running the BMX YouTube channel and everything like that. And like they'd always be trying to put me on to like Bang Gang and [ __ ] And I was listening to it. I'm likeendary.
>> Yeah. No, now I have all this respect for it. But like at that time I was like, you know, musically like, you know, we listening to Gucci and Waka and Young Scooter and [ __ ] Like I wasn't really trying to hear it.
>> Bang Gang was Detroit's Gucci and Waka and >> but but then First Day Out came out and it kind of just like all of a sudden we got it. Yeah.
>> You get it now.
>> It changed everything.
>> He he made he made the world get it.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Band game legendary bunch of legendary MC's in the city of Detroit, >> right? Who were local and regional level legends.
>> Yeah. But Trizley made the whole world believe he he painted a picture so vivid that he he he explained the hood of Detroit to the whole world.
>> No. Yeah, definitely. That that that changed everything. But so from your perspective, like by the time we get to like, you know, the era where Detroit rap is so popping that like little Yachti coming out and doing a whole mixtape with the whole city or whatever.
That's probably like 2019, 2020 by the time that starts happening.
Is it Is that still extending from the the T Grizzly moment? Cuz I feel like that moment doesn't happen unless you have T Grizzly kind of like making like I feel like they kind of found their own sound and [ __ ] and the and things have just changed a lot by 2020 or whatever where all of a sudden [ __ ] is more >> humorous, you know, more is like kind of fun, you know, that's the impact of Yachti.
>> Yeah, >> that's the impact of Yachty. Lil Yachty >> to you you don't think about Lil Yachty now.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. He had when Yi was coming to Detroit when with all them rappers, bro.
He was a superstar.
>> Yeah.
>> He came and he gave of himself to Detroit artist and in many cases he in charge of anything. He just came to around because he he he saw it. He understood the potential >> and he wanted to help push it forward.
Lil Yachty >> has been more influential on this generation of hip-hop stars than Eminem has.
>> True. For sure. Yeah. in Detroit.
>> Yeah.
>> In Detroit because Yachti came, he showed major love.
>> Yeah. And all those dudes just fully embraced him and really like even there was like clips of dudes talking about how Yachty when he was coming out there, he didn't even he left his security alone and was just rolling around in the trenches.
>> Young Jeezy is Young Jeezy is more popular in Detroit than Gucci Man and always have been. Right.
>> Interesting.
>> Detroit is a is is a Jeezy town.
>> Why do you think that is >> that hustle spirit? Young Jeezy is talking about all this [ __ ] that if you want to grow up to be a drug dealer, >> Jeezy is is is a is a drug dealer soundtrack.
>> Yeah.
>> Simple as that. And a lot of city Detroit, they grew up idolizing the big Meeches and the Scarfaces and all the the drug culture.
>> Jeez music exemplified the hustle and spirit.
>> And so Jeezy been coming to Detroit his entire career getting major love, right, for over 20 years. Yachti has done more for the rank and file MC in 10 years than Jezy did over 20 plus years coming to Detroit. He's shown more love to Detroit artist >> than Jezy ever did.
>> Do you feel like the Detroit rap scene has fallen off a little bit since that sort of like COVID era that we're talking about or or do you feel like it's uh is it transitionary phase right now?
>> You don't have to add nothing else to it.
>> Hip-hop is kind of falling off in general. Hip- hop is changing, right?
Hip-hop is changing. Hip-hop is a is a it is a fluid situation. It always have been, right? What's hot today might not be hot tomorrow.
>> U Blueface was on fire >> four, five years ago.
>> Mhm.
>> I thought that Blueface's trajectory was just like through the roof.
>> Yeah.
>> It was what it was. And then now we have what we have right now, >> right? I mean, I still I think like all things considered, Blueface's career is still in a pretty strong situation. Like he could still make like records that's that go pretty crazy in the club.
>> He's through.
>> You think he's through?
>> He's through.
>> Musically.
>> He's through. I mean, see, cuz a part hip-hop ain't just about music. Hip-hop is about the image. Yeah.
>> It's about the character. Yeah.
>> So, his character now versus what it was when he first came out.
>> Right. He came down big cripping.
>> Yeah.
>> Now it's nothing about Now he's a clown.
Well, he got to the point where a big part of his fan base is like women who are fascinated by him and want to watch him on some loving hip-hop [ __ ] >> He's a reality TV star now.
>> Yeah, he turned himself into that.
>> He turned himself into that. You hear me? And now he drew He never he'll never be able to do that Tatiana [ __ ] again.
>> You know what? [laughter] >> Never happen again.
>> I feel like that I'm going to get you running from the shiu. Bro, that [ __ ] goes crazy. That's like a big song. I felt gay singing it too right there.
didn't you? [laughter] >> Didn't you?
>> I was just in the club with him seeing girls lose their minds >> and as long as you have a strong contingency of women who support you, you can always make some out of that.
You hear me?
>> But in terms of him having the dominance that he had six, seven years ago, >> never happened again.
>> I would like to hear him make more street music, which it feels like he just doesn't really have a lot of an interest in that at this point. Yeah, >> that never happened again. He's through.
>> He's been out for like six months and he hasn't really put out anything besides like a few videos here and there. You stick a fork in it.
>> You just you hate whack so much that you're anti-blowace.
>> I don't I don't hate whack, bro.
>> No.
>> Right. Listen, so people will they would think that because of some of the battles that we've had on Clubhouse and whatever, right? I don't give a about whack 100, bro.
>> Okay.
>> At all. Period. Right. When I've been critical of whack, it's been because Whack do hoes [ __ ] It's as simple as that. I call it like I see it. I call it spade spade. It ain't about me. I don't I don't wake up thinking about no whack 100, bro.
>> I don't give a about him. But Wack is a is a he's a he's a prominent figure in the YouTube streets. True.
>> Right. And he he basically had all of California in terms of YouTube in the palm of his hands.
>> Up until the whole T Grizzy thing backfired on him. When that backfired on him, that destroyed I mean he people are nobody ever really took him serious, right?
The people who I know never took him serious, right? I don't take him serious, >> but he had control. He had influence. He had he can come and talk to you whenever he wants to. He can push a narrative right on your platform whenever he wants to >> and then Vlad's platform and then academics platform.
>> Yeah. So it's not just you, right? He can go to Vlad. He can make a phone. I want to talk about XYZ, right? He starts his campaign on Clubhouse. It goes from Clubhouse >> to Instagram. Yeah. It goes from Instagram to his exposure podcast and from there he starts to disseminate whatever he wants to disseminate to the public. So he knows all of the top YouTubers and podcasters. So he sends the information to everybody and whoever bites whoever bites.
>> But so how do you think that that whole situation up his reputation? Cuz I I don't really I haven't noticed that >> paperwork is fake.
>> It is. Has that ever been like put out there? Cuz I really >> Yeah. But he listen but he can he can tell people like you don't talk about it. He can tell people like academic don't talk about it.
>> I just didn't even know that.
>> Yeah. The paperwork it was always fake.
So the paperwork that claimed that T.
Grizzly talked to the cops about baby shooter robbing his crib.
>> That was fake.
>> It was always fake. I did all the deep dive research into this [ __ ] cuz I'm a legal beagle. But I was in prison acting a fool stabbing. I was also going to law library. I know fake paperwork when I saw it. When [snorts] you look at the officer Hamilton, the badge number, there's no officer Hamilton on the LAPD with a sevendigit badge number doesn't exist. Okay. one the report the structural integrity of the report that is not how LA police reports look it's not how investigation reports look it's not that's not how witness statements look none of that is true >> okay >> and then to this very day you still we still don't have it where is it >> and then he gave academics he gave academics a u a California second division court of appeal document supposedly proving what he said about te was true >> baby shooter how the are you in Supreme Court court of appeals when he's never been arrested, charged, tried, convicted. You can only get into the court of appeals when there's been a conviction.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Of some sort. So how the are you giving academics a California court of appeal motion of relief when he's not been found guilty of anything? All that [ __ ] was fake.
>> Oh wow.
>> Wack put that play together for Birdman and for NBA Young Boy.
>> Wait, what?
>> Yeah.
Why would Birdman and Young Boy give a about T Grizzly being painted as a cinch?
>> Cuz Bird Cuz because NBA Young Boy know what it is?
>> Ask him.
>> Okay. So >> without me getting the details, ask NBA Young Boy what his experience with T is or was.
>> Really? Okay.
>> Ask him.
>> Cuz there was the shooting in Miami.
>> I ain't saying that.
>> Yeah, but that's probably what you're referring to. A whole situation surrounding that, right?
>> I ain't seen about no mother Miami. I said axing.
>> Okay. And whack is a flunky and a dude boy for Birdman. And Birdman's the one who gave him the money to do Cash Money West, which is how Blueface got into the game.
>> Uhhuh.
>> So whatever Birdman tells him to do, he going to do it. Simple as that. Birdman [clears throat] has negotiated every deal. He has his hand in all things NBA.
>> Right. From my perspective, that was just Shooter deciding that he wanted to put this narrative on T Grizzly.
Probably because he actually believed it. Right.
>> Can we have a real conversation now? Can we take the littles off now?
>> Yeah. Okay, watch this. Who the is baby shooter except a person that was put on platforms by Wack 100? Who the was Loose Cannon except a person who was put on major platforms like this by Wack 100?
>> To be fair, Baby Shooter was on this podcast before Wacka involved with him because uh Gface basically put him on here.
>> Who weaponized him though?
>> Oh yeah. Yeah, >> he weaponized him.
>> Yeah.
>> Who weaponized Loose Cannon? Who the Loose Cannon to be? How how could Loose Cannon have made it to Adam 22's no jumper >> if it were not for the influence and through the recommendation of Wack 100?
Tell the truth, Adam.
>> That's true. Yeah.
>> Yeah. How the you think a Listen, Loose Cannon is not the is not the sharpest tool in the shed >> at How in the you think there's a long list of who could have made it to No Jumper, academics, and Vlad TV >> and Sean Cotton and the rest of this [ __ ] Long list of [ __ ] who are more qualified than this stupid ass [ __ ] who really has no story to tell.
>> Long list of mother.
How did he get up here?
I mean, short story is that Wack probably just wanted to weaponize him to take shots at Big You.
>> Do you believe that?
>> That he wanted to My honest question or do I believe the things that loose?
>> Do you believe that he weaponized your platform and other platforms such as yours to tell a story and to spin a narrative about the people who he doesn't like?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
>> Okay. It's fair. I mean, >> I use my platform to do that to people all the time. Yeah. How can we not do that?
>> Yeah. So, you're admitting that you have allowed this son of a [ __ ] to come up here and weaponize your platform to run game.
>> I'm allowing you to weaponize my platform to run game on such as whack right now. Yeah.
>> But if you do an interview and you don't weaponize it to take shots at people that you don't get along with, Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, unless you're trying to just stall him out.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it is what it is, man. Um, it is what it is. So, >> I think Wacker is evil is an evil genius.
>> Okay. I think that he knows how to use words. I think he knows how to spot a damn fool.
>> He's he's he's he's a damn fool spotter and he uses those damn fools to >> do whatever you want to do.
>> Spend whatever he want to spin.
>> Yeah.
>> And that is the art of war exemplified.
That is 48 laws of power exemplified.
That's what he does.
>> Yeah.
>> So in that way he has befriended all of the necessary people.
>> Mhm. And I don't criticize him for that because if you have an enemy and if I can weaponize a dumb ass to fight my enemy for me, I'm supposed to do that.
Yeah.
>> So I don't see anything wrong with that.
>> Yeah. I didn't like know that that's what Wack was doing in the moment when he brought Loose Kenan on, you know, like >> who told you who brought that to your attention? who kind of like made you see, but damn, this guy's using my platform and academics platform and Vlad's platform to kind of like spin narratives and kind of like >> I mean it was pretty clear, you know.
[laughter] >> When did you realize it though?
>> How long did it take you to realize, wait a minute?
>> I mean, probably not that long. I mean, I probably like >> you're pretty sharp. Put >> Yeah. And I but I know whack and I know what he's doing and I know that when he doesn't like somebody, he's you know, he's happy to yell at him on Clubhouse or like make a little video about them or whatever, but for sure. Yeah, he's capable of using the platform to trash people, too. You know, I've done it a million times myself. It's just part of the game.
>> It's part of the game.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. And that's why I'm not mad at you, cuz you you you admit what's going on. You ain't trying to hide it.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like, yeah, it's my platform. I do what the what I want to do with [laughter] it.
>> What would you do if you had one?
>> I mean, I do feel like when you uh when you trash people in a dishonest manner, >> it hurts your credibility. And when people see you being like extremely uh ideologically inconsistent, your fans will just stop kind of taking you serious. And that's like the main thing to consider. But you know, if you have somebody that you don't get along with and you bring negative accusations to the table, why not?
>> Watch this. Whack 100 know QCP is a stump down diabolical rat.
>> Yeah.
>> But he would never say it. He's going to always do everything he possibly can to justify it. The same QCP has done worse than people whack has condemned and did everything in his power to make the whole world feel like or view them as a snitch.
>> Yeah.
>> QCP is a dollar by not only did he's telling the [ __ ] but he called the police for followup >> to make sure a [ __ ] got prosecuted. Yeah, >> he knows that. But he'll never admit it because he's >> the fact that P was able to kind of skate on that and didn't really get the full condemnation of hip-hop was pretty amazing. That's why Gucci man did what he did.
>> Because if that QCP and Gucci are are like this >> QCP one of the only like peers of Gucci you've really seen Gucci around in the last five years. M. So who do you think called him and told him snitch on Poo Shisty?
>> But to be fair, Gucci probably snitched on Pushy like 10 minutes after Pushi robbed him. You know, they probably didn't have a lot of time to think about it.
>> Yeah. But who who who do you think who do you think has been in his ear >> to make him feel comfortable with what he did >> to make him to make to convince him that what you're doing and what you have done nothing wrong with it. You're a businessman now. That's the same thing that QCP did to justify him telling on stunner like that. Same thing. He took expensive play a page out of his playbook. Same thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to deny.
>> Those two things are more similar than anything else.
>> Yeah.
>> Same thing.
>> Yeah. That is wild. What What about just Atlanta in general? It feels like he's got such a a a crazy reputation for fostering all of the rats currently.
>> So, listen. What Atlanta is getting right now, Atlanta deserves what they getting. They getting spanked all across the globe. They deserve it because there's no city that kind of like pushed the anti-rat narrative more than them >> and they had control of hip-hop.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So, they had control of hip-hop.
Atlanta was or and it still is the seat of hip-hop. It still is ground zero for all things hip-hop. Atlanta still has control. New York doesn't have it.
>> Atlanta doesn't have it. I mean, excuse me, Miami doesn't have it. Houston doesn't have it. LA doesn't have it. You still have to see Atlanta when it comes to power in the world of hip hop, right?
You still have some of the biggest rappers in the in the game right now.
From the 21 Savages to the Gunners to the Young Thugs, they the YFN luchi, they are all from >> Atlanta. Still have a lot of influence.
>> Um, Atlanta deserves the ass whooping they're getting right now. M >> and we know that because we are we we knew that they knew a lot of [ __ ] going on >> when 21 Savage sent that tweet out and he admitted that they haven't they knew that QCP was a rat and they believe that Gunner was a rat. I personally don't believe that Gunner was a rat, right?
But what 21 Savage said when he said, "Hey, we've been new."
>> Well, it wasn't a tweet. It was the phone call, right?
>> It was. Yeah. So, so listen, the leaked jail phone call that was that was critical because it showed QCP >> that the people that he thought were friends with him, including Little Baby, >> were friends with him despite what they really thought about him, >> right? And they've been talking behind his back and that's why he respond he responded like he responded those jail phone calls got leaked. He responded.
>> Yeah. He was angry. He was angry about that [ __ ] because the people that he thought, >> right, >> that he was cool with, at least on the surface, they were talked about him the whole time.
>> And so that those leaked jail phone calls started a domino effect of exposing all things Atlanta.
>> But okay, let's say you got exposed as a rat, would you prefer that somebody like me that, you know, we're cool, we got a relationship now, whatever. Maybe we're probably going to stay in communication, but would you prefer that I >> speak candidly to my friends and say, "Man, that dude dogfaced. He be riding, bro. That [ __ ] crazy. He told, but then get on the podcast and say, "Hey, >> I'm not the one who's going to judge, you know, just do all this semantic games or whatever. I'm not the one who's going to judge dogface. I don't know what happened in that situation. I'm not going to speak on it. That's my man's, etc." I feel like doing that is not actually hypocritical. That's actually the coolest [ __ ] that I could do as a homie is to show to say one thing publicly and then keep it real behind the scenes.
>> It's called That's not It's not hypocritical within and of itself.
>> Yeah. Right. It is what it is. It's politics, right?
>> What [snorts] is hypocritical is >> you condemning somebody else for doing the same thing that you are trying to run a public relations campaign for to make it look like that's not what that is with somebody else. That's where [clears throat] the hypocrisy comes in at. Yeah. The hypocrisy is when Wack 100 can say that's a rat, that's a rat, that's a rat, that's a rat. They did XYZ, but then the people who he liked.
>> Don't forget when Young Thug >> first when when when the interrogation videos came out, Wack was trying to explain it away >> because he still had some type of relationship. But as soon as Peewee Rosco got rolls up on him and as soon as Thug then rose up, Whack changed his course and went to trying to assassinate Thug's character. It's as simple as that. Yeah.
I mean, in order to speak honestly about Atlanta's hip-hop scene, you kind of have to be willing to acknowledge that a lot of these dudes have been caught up on some [ __ ] you know? Especially after the Gucci thing.
I know he's from Alabama, but it's the same [ __ ] >> Gucci Man from Atlanta, bro. Start the Alabama [ __ ] >> Well, he grew up in Alabama, right?
>> Gucci Man was born and I think raised in his earlier years and he moved to Atlanta. Gucci Man is an Atlanta artist.
Nobody talks about Alabama, >> but nobody talk about Alabama in general, >> right? No. Yeah, but I'm just saying >> it's easier for us to like round up and just Alabama.
>> No, I love Alabama. Shout out to Alabama, but like there's a reason why it's easier to think of Gucci.
>> Listen, when Gucci when Gucci was at his height, they weren't talking that Alabama [ __ ] >> No. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Now it's convenient, >> right? Jeez, they say, "Oh, Jeezy ain't from But when Jeezy was winning and was at the top of the totem pole, wasn't saying that [ __ ] bro."
>> No, that's real. People do that.
>> They use as a weapon. Yeah, definitely.
Do you think Gucci's career is over as far as uh I mean going forward? Like we we saw him this weekend go to this big football game, get love from a bunch of normies and white people and [ __ ] like that, you know? Even in that environment, he had people calling him a rat when they got the opportunity to. We saw he did a little meet and greet with this woman that apparently saved him from drowning at some point when he was a kid.
>> Yeah. I personally feel like when I see this, this is he hired a crisis PR management company. I don't think he had them when he did the song. I think the song was such a bad idea >> that he just did that.
>> Yeah. Out of emotion, out of frustration, out of anger, out of confusion.
>> And then I think now he's probably got some assistance because that that's probably what I would have told him to do.
>> We need to insert you into situations in which you're going to be loved and which people are going to show you respect and whatnot. This football game makes sense.
humanizing you by talking to this woman who saved your life. It forces hostile crowd >> forces people to think, h what if he what if he was dead, right? What if he never put out all this music? Wouldn't life have been so bad? And that, you know, at least forces people to maybe humanize him a little bit. But I mean, as far as like rappers working with him, it seems like it's it's dark for him.
It's going to be >> dark for him before this happened.
Nobody screaming, yelling for no Gucci Man verse. his career was already on the on the south side of things, >> but it wasn't like a public conversation in hip-hop because his contribution was so significant for so long that people didn't want to say bad [ __ ] about him.
So, they were just letting him rock.
Even like Young Thug before he got locked up, his music career was really kind of on a decline, but nobody was really acknowledging it publicly because he's such a legend. Now with Gucci, it feels like, oh, all the gloves are off from the community as a whole, and they're all just going to [ __ ] on you now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But I'm going tell you something, man. He don't give a [ __ ] about what the community thinks. Who gives a about what some [ __ ] think? He a millionaire.
>> Who gives a >> privately? I believe that that is what he's saying.
>> Who gives Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who gives a [ __ ] Who gives a millionaire? Who gives a what y'all saying? Most of y'all broke up. I call him poor broke ass [ __ ] They Who gives a >> But Gucci cares about his respect? Cuz his respect also helps determine how much money he's going to make for the rest of his life.
>> Listen, here's what happened. A combination of the psychotropic medication.
>> Yeah.
>> And the voodoo [ __ ] Do you think she got that?
>> She got voodoo [ __ ] Yes, she has voodoo [ __ ] >> Well, it's just got powers.
>> Yes, [ __ ] has powers. Especially that voodoo [ __ ] She from the islands. The psychotropic medication. The cerequil, the thorazine.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Right. [laughter] The rest of that [ __ ] mixed with [ __ ] >> Psychotropic medication mixed with [ __ ] from the islands. Hood [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> He don't give a >> Yeah. He he he don't give a >> cuz like I'm I'm like the biggest Gucci fan you could ever imagine. Like throughout my whole life that's kind of been like since I first found out about him is kind of my favorite rapper.
>> Tell you a secret Adam. I'm sorry for cutting you off. Want to hear a secret?
>> Yeah.
>> About the black community.
>> Yeah.
>> The black community don't give a about people being rats.
>> Yeah.
>> They only say that because that's what people expect them to say. M >> in every community in every major in in New York, in Philadelphia, in Baltimore, in DC, in Atlanta, in LA, in in in Englewood, in Compton, in Minnesota, in West in in in Chicago, everybody knows somebody who's a rat.
>> Everybody, >> right? What determines how people talk about you and how they treat you is how much money you have.
>> If you have money, you automatically going to have power because money it influences how much power you have.
>> People you the biggest drug listen you think listen the biggest drug dealers in California are federal informants. The biggest drug dealers in Houston and Detroit, they all have working relationships unbeknownst to the general public with law enforcement. You can't sell drugs 10 years and not be on the feds radar.
>> The feds know everything. Local local, state, and federal law enforcement know everything about the drug trade.
>> You think you selling dope and they don't know about it?
>> No.
[ __ ] don't give a about ratten. They use raten as a weapon to criticize people they don't like.
>> Right.
>> Simple as that.
>> Yeah. But they do that with all kinds of stuff. They'll call you pedophile.
They're going to call you a rapist.
They're going to call you whatever.
>> No, no, that's different, >> right? But I mean like people weaponize that [ __ ] and say it in situations where the truth is dubious.
>> Yeah.
>> And they'll just use it in general. Like if one girl ever called you a rapist and people are going to use that to discredit you for the rest of your life.
>> Hey, watch this. So Detroit is watching this right now. The whole world is watching this right now.
>> True.
>> I'm no jumper, dude. I'm no jumper, baby.
>> And I'm interviewing dog. Hey, listen.
In every major urban environment across the country, seriously, serious conversation.
We all know somebody who we know or we believe for absolute fact is working with law enforcement ratting to stay free.
>> Right.
>> Right.
>> You ain't going to with them cuz they got too much money, power, and respect.
>> And will work for a rat if it's beneficial for them.
>> Mhm.
>> Everybody knows QCP is a rat, >> right? They don't give a >> the the rapper community as a whole just knew they didn't necessarily have the juice to take him out the paint. He was still going to have power even if they all went on.
>> Watch this. We know they don't give a because 21 Savage said we been knew P was a rat.
>> Yeah.
>> We stepping under the rug because of what? Because the money power and he was putting all the young guys on.
>> He said we been knew Gunam was a rat.
Even though I don't believe Gunner was a rat. That's what he said in tweets, >> right? We flipping under the rug to save face for Atlanta, >> right?
>> But these are the same rappers who making songs about >> Mhm.
>> rats.
These are the same people who criticize Kodak Black for doing the song with >> Yeah.
>> 6ix9ine. The whole time y'all was trying to throw under the bus and ridicule and trying to destroy character.
>> The whole time you [ __ ] was doing the same thing. the whole time, >> right? But, okay, further record, snitch as an allegation holds an additional level of weight because if we're involved in criminality, having a snitch around us literally like negates everything that we're trying to do.
>> Says who?
>> Because we're going to go to jail if this around and telling on us, >> right? Listen, in every drug organization in this country, there snitches.
>> Yeah.
>> The cartel, look at how the cartel looks at snitching. They have a whole they have an entirely different viewpoint of snitching. Like black people, we have the most critical >> the most stringent snitch policies out of any culture. Right.
>> The cartels, if they get caught up, they'll give you up and me up cuz we're not a part of their >> Yeah.
>> They'll swap us out fast as >> Yeah.
>> Right. As long as they don't tell on each other, they don't consider that [ __ ] snitching.
>> Right.
>> Simple as that.
>> Yeah. Which is kind of crazy.
>> Tell me I'm lying.
>> No, no. I've heard about that with the cartels and everything, but just in general, like, you know, it's like if me and you were planning on doing some drug dealing together and then you found out that I was talking to the cops that I was handing over information about people, you would be very wise to not do business with me.
>> Hey, listen. So, the anti- snitching thing is just a a self listen and every drug crew and every drug crew in this country is some snitches in there and know and or believe that they are snitches. M >> that's how they survive. And every major drug crew in this country, there are people who are cooperating with law enforcement to take out the opposition.
>> Mhm.
>> Just like the mafia did. Think about what the mafia did back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. What did they do when the five families went to war against Bumpy Johnson and Madam Sinclair?
>> When they couldn't outgun them, when they couldn't come in Harlem and kill them all, what did they do? They put the police on them. Mhm.
>> They put the prosecutors on them. They put the judges on them. So all the [ __ ] are doing are really just copycatting off what the Italian five families did, >> right?
>> They've been working with the police.
>> Yeah.
>> You can't have a successful drug organization right now in this country where you're making millions of dollars.
You can't have a successful drug organization without having police in your mix somehow someway.
>> It's not going to happen. They know too much about what's going on.
>> Yeah. No. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, the internet is just a different thing. The internet, everybody will be judged by the harshest possible standards so that people can make content about it.
>> Yes.
>> The criminals, on the other hand, they don't have to speak publicly, but they are able to know about a certain amount of snitching and just for self-preservation reasons keep it to themselves.
>> Listen, the biggest gangsters in the urban environment right now are the snitches. Snitches don't give a right.
Snitches don't give a about what you say about them, what you do, none of that kind of [ __ ] right?
>> The snitches are the most dangerous out of all criminals. The whole criminal element, the gangster snitch, >> the gangster snitch is the most dangerous >> because think about it. The gangster snitches, they ain't on they ain't on they ain't going to witness protection program. All these Listen, everybody in the YSL case, all the snitches that came out with that, which one of them went to the witness protection program?
>> Yeah, I don't think any of them. The snitches on the YSL case are in Atlanta hosting parties right now >> doing 21 >> dropping doing doing balloon pops.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> They ain't on the run.
>> Remember when we thought 6ix9ine was crazy for not going in the witness protection program? Everybody was like, "Oh, he's a lunatic. He's going to be dead in two weeks."
>> We did.
>> We really found out a lot about ourselves.
>> Not one of the people who was identified as a snitch in the YSL case.
>> Not one of them >> is in the witness protection program.
>> Yeah. All the ones who are free, and most of them are free, they're running around Atlanta doing what they want to do, having their way. They're hosting parties, bad [ __ ] going to the malls and and and eating ice cream.
>> Yeah.
>> Nobody's touched them.
>> Yeah.
>> That that tells all the future snitches >> who's thinking about possibly snitching.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, you too can have a life after.
>> Yeah.
>> Snitching. It is what it is. But do you really think that we're like entering a world in which like people won't be judged harshly for the snitching thing?
Cuz I feel like they will be. It's just it's graded differently depending on how popular or successful you are.
>> Hey, listen, Adam.
When you hear about snitch this, snitch that. You don't hear about that in the white community.
>> Mhm.
>> You don't hear that in the white community. You hear black people condemning other black people and other people of other racial >> ethnicities about being a snitch.
>> Yeah, >> that's what you hear about it, bro. They don't give a >> white people don't give a This world's not ran by [ __ ] This world, the world we live in now, they don't give a about what a bunch of [ __ ] is saying. They don't give a about that [ __ ] The world is My the point to your point is the world already has turned the page on that [ __ ] man. the world the what what you what I think about you >> does not govern what you're able to do and what you're able to accomplish. What the world thinks about Gucci man, it does not determine how much money he can get and what he can do. People will still sign to him.
You know why? Rock Nation is ran by Desiree Perez.
>> She is a federal informant who snitched on the cartel.
>> But don't you think it would be different if Jay-Z was a documented snitch?
>> No. I don't think I I I'll bet money that Gucci Man will never like have a successful artist signing again.
>> Why not?
>> Because I don't think any of these street artists who are the only type of artist that he's ever had any kind of success signing will ever like >> I I think even before this he was not looking like a appetizing artist to sign to because as much as he's had a few successful moments in recent years, he just had so many L's over the years and has kind of just >> he's a horrible executive.
>> He's just revealed himself to be kind of a dick. Yeah, he's he he is a dick. He's [laughter] for lack of better expression.
>> And I [ __ ] with him. I was my favorite rapper for most of my life. But I had a meeting one time with a a dude who did a ton of business with him. He's a Jewish guy in the music industry or whatever.
And I was telling him, I'm like, "Bro, you got to you got to get me with Gucci.
I want to spend a week straight with Gucci. I want to make this little documentary type thing, etc." And he just said, "Adam, I'm going to be real with you. Gucci Mane is the biggest [ __ ] you've ever met in your entire life.
>> That is true.
>> He's just like straight up like you have never spent time with anyone who is the kind of [ __ ] that he is.
>> And >> that's what everybody says. They've been saying, >> you know, I took I took that at face value and I've kind of never heard anything else besides that over the years. Yeah.
>> Hey, so to answer your question, the world doesn't give a the world.
>> We ain't talking about what a bunch of [ __ ] is talking about. The world is beyond [ __ ] [ __ ] M >> do you think in Iran right now give a about whether the Gucci man is a rat?
>> Some tiny pocket of them perhaps.
[laughter] >> Listen and that would show that would showcase how stupid they are. Yeah.
>> Cuz they dropping missiles on y'all and bombs on y'all trying to blow y'all ass smitherines and you give a about what some nondescript who has no impact who probably can't spell Iran.
>> They got bigger [ __ ] to worry about right now. But just in general, if I'm the hot street rapper of the month from Atlanta and Gucci Man wants to sign me, I mean, you're just going to look at the Poo Shisty thing and be like, "Damn, I can't with him. He a rat." Like, you know, that's because as a people, >> we judge ourselves more harshly than anybody else. We're our own biggest critics. We're our own black people are we are our own biggest crit critics and we are our own biggest enemies right now. Yeah. We don't need anybody else from outside the black community to aid and assist us in our own destruction, our own demise. We are our own biggest oppositions. We're our own biggest ops.
Simple as that. So, so said rapper from Minnesota wouldn't sign to Rock Nation because Desiree Perez has been exposed as a DEA operative. Yeah, >> they're going to sign. Money is the motive. If Gucci Man comes with a million dollars, right?
>> They're going to say, "Hey, that's not me. That's him." If they say anything about it at all, that money is the motive.
>> A rapper will sign to Gucci Man right now. You find somebody who >> I would like to meet him, >> bro. Listen, >> like a hot street rapper right now >> while he's experiencing the worst PR of his life. Now listen, maybe in a year [ __ ] kind of cools down a little bit.
>> Maybe.
>> But it's already hard enough to sign a street rapper. And I'm just saying like his image as a as a CEO is just so bad.
Even outside the snitch and [ __ ] >> Would you sign the rap a lot?
>> Would I?
>> A mob ties right now. Would you sign a mob ties if you were a rapper?
>> I think if I was a rapper, if you think about Gucci, bro, >> Mob Tai's reputation.
>> Yeah.
>> When it comes to artist >> is just as bad if not worse than Gucci Man, >> they've had some issues. issues is an understatement.
Issues is an understatement. Mob ties and Gucci Man in terms of how they cultivate and how they deal with and how they groom and grow >> artists.
It's just as bad as 1017.
>> Yeah, it's not great right now.
>> When has it ever been great? When have they ever had in in when have they ever had a fruitful relationship since Rabalot switched over to Metize? Name one artist. Uh, post Drake. I don't know.
>> Do we call Drake Mobaz? Bro, we understand that Jazz found him. Yeah.
But Drake is his own entity. Always have been. He's always been Aubrey.
>> You still got to count it as a W. Just because it's the biggest W of all time doesn't change the fact that it was a W.
>> But he's not really He's not really a representation of anything mob ties. Drake is >> he's his own thing. Yeah, I feel you.
But I mean saying they did at a certain point he was signed to him. So >> Poo Shisty then we have Honeycomb crazy.
Yeah.
>> Then we have one guy then we have >> finesse.
>> Finesse two times. Yeah.
>> Same [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Same thing going on in both camps.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So Jay Prince Jr. is a horrible executive.
>> Yeah.
>> He's a coward.
>> You hate this so bad. J Prince Jr. I always had a cool relationship with him.
I think I did his first ever interview.
>> Mhm.
>> How was that? Was it boring?
>> Uh, I recall it being cool. It was a long ass time.
>> Was it boring? Tell the truth, Adam.
>> You want me to tell you how long it was?
>> Yeah. Was it boring?
>> I don't recall it being boring.
>> Yeah. Yes, you do.
>> J Prince Jr. You recall that [ __ ] being the worst possible slow talking semi-retarded LD ass [ __ ] in the world?
>> I recall being very honored that he did his first interview with me >> because of him or because of his father?
Six years ago, 46 minutes. Yeah, that's not a long time. Um, >> it couldn't be no more than 46 minutes.
>> Well, you think he's that much of a boring guy?
>> Listen, you were honored to interview him not because of him, not because of his personal accomplishments. You were honored to interview him because of his pedigree, his father.
>> Okay. Sure. That's a big part of it.
>> Who would you have preferred to interview, senior or junior? if you had the opportunity.
>> Well, I would rather do the first interview with Junior than like the 18th interview with senior, but >> obviously his dad's accomplishments are, you know, it's always going to be difficult to grow up under the spectre of your dad being immensely successful, you know.
>> But where where is Jay Prince in all this?
>> You think he's just checked out?
>> No, he No, he ain't checking out. He behind the scenes like a puppet master.
That right there, that mother is is something to behold.
>> Yeah. Okay. So you have a ton of respect for him but not his son.
>> His son respect is earned. It's not just given. It's not just capitulated just because you are born in the lineage of somebody who's supposed to be what have you done >> right?
>> In the black community we be notorious for that. The black community don't give a about what like big Meech and little Meech.
>> Yeah.
>> The world doesn't give a about your father being a legendary drug dealer.
You yourself have not qualified yourself to be viewed like that or to be thought of like that. Same thing.
>> Big Meech, Little Meech, Senior, Junior, same [ __ ] >> Nothing different.
>> Yeah, that's tough. Imagine how hard it must be like growing up with your dad being in this position. Like, you know, there's just like almost nothing that you could do that is going to be enough to dig you out of the hole of being considered a Nepo baby.
It's its own specific challenge.
Obviously, it's harder to just make it out of nothing. But even if you make something out of yourself, it's just like a lot of the world, particularly in hip-hop, is going to look at you as somebody who, oh, he's just a rich kid.
>> Well, it happens. So, I don't think so.
That's another thing. The world, >> black people, we we're judging each other that way.
>> Yes. This is a black person thing for sure. Yeah.
>> That's a Do you think >> in the real world, your dad was successful? He was a That's amazing.
That's That's incredible. Oh, yeah. My children are doing a lot better than I was doing at their age. And that's the way I wanted it to be. I don't want my kids, my sons, my daughters be robbers in the streets. I worked hard as to make sure that that doesn't happen. I try to give them as many opportunities as they can so they don't have to do that.
>> Let's let's say like one of your kids becomes like a, you know, pretty prominent executive at a record label or whatever. People going to give them that credit cuz they're going to be like, "Damn, his dad like as much as you've accomplished now, they're going to be like, "His dad was in prison, blah, blah, blah." But then meanwhile, if you're like Diddy's son, like you know, and you have a job at a label, nobody's ever going to give you credit for that.
You're going to have to sign a lot of huge artists before the narrative starts to change into, oh, he's a very talented executive. True. You know, >> cuz you have to work as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. True.
>> Yeah. But I mean, also in the white world, the like your dad being like super success, oh, I noticed with girls, this doesn't really matter. If you're an attractive woman, your dad's famous. Who gives a that's awesome. That's like a recognizable last name. We're super obsessed with you.
>> Absolutely.
>> So, black people, we judge each other harshly. We are super critical of each other.
>> And um it's just that's just what we do.
It is what it is. You can't move away from that. It is what it is.
>> Uh but above and beyond, I think so Jay Prince Jr. had a chance. He had a chance to become a wonderful executive. He had a chance to do whatever he wanted to do in his life.
>> He chose to try to be like his father, >> but he's but he doesn't have the experience. His father was cut that way.
He was groomed that way. He was conditioned that way.
>> He has a different experience. He can never be like his father. Although he's trying to emulate all things his father, he's failing miserably at that [ __ ] >> But like even him doing some [ __ ] like I've I've seen you kind of like using this against him of saying like, "Oh, he's running around doing gangster [ __ ] He's rolling around with NBA."
>> He ain't doing nothing gangster, >> right? But he's hanging out with gangsters while they're doing gangster.
>> Hanging with gangsters. Okay.
>> It's like it's like a [ __ ] hanging with a [ __ ] got some money.
>> But that's what we're supposed to do, right? I'm supposed to have gangsters with me. We're going to do gangster [ __ ] I'm not supposed to do it myself.
But he's denying doing any of gangster [ __ ] He's using people to do his bidding. Right.
>> Allstar Jr. didn't have a problem. Let's talk about that for a second.
>> Sure. Yeah.
>> Allstar Jr. didn't have a problem with Junior.
>> Yeah.
>> So, people are trying to make it seem like or make it appear as if that Allstar Jr. had an issue with Junior because Junior was dating his or is dating his baby mama.
>> Well, there was like videos of them basically taking shots at each other or at least J Prince Jr. taking shots at Allstar, right?
>> There were videos of J Prince Jr.
using this young woman.
>> Yeah.
>> Putting her in a position so that he can troll her, troll Jr.
>> based off what she was doing.
>> Right.
>> There are no videos. There's nothing.
There's no recordings. There's no nothing that shows Allstar Jr. giving a about >> outside of their child him dating his baby mama.
>> Right.
>> Allstar Jr. and big mama broke up in 2021.
>> From 2021. So people trying to make it seem like that they just broke up and it's fresh. He's upset and he's mad now.
They broke up in 2021. Between JR and Junior, there are four or five other guys that she dated between.
>> Right.
>> And he never had an issue with any of the guys that she dated prior to Junior.
>> Not one. Not one issue. Junior is a narcissist and he a 100% [ __ ] ass [ __ ] You ask anybody from Houston. You ask anybody from Houston about his reputation, it's the reputation of a coward who uses he hides behind everybody. He's not a gangster. Let me tell you why. Well, he's done all kind of gangster [ __ ] to who? He hasn't done no gangster [ __ ] to a gangster. Excuse me.
>> He ain't did no gangster [ __ ] to no gangster.
Everybody that has fallen up under them have been somebody who they considered friends. Think about it. Quo, Duke the Jeweler, right? They all thought they were friends. They all thought they were in good company. They all thought they were safe. And there are other issues that have taken place that haven't been newsworthy. There are other situations who have of people who have fallen in close proximity to them.
Maybe I'm naive, but why does he get why does the blame get placed directly on J Prince Jr. for takeoff's death?
>> The whole checking thing, >> right? You know, >> but but then why is J Prince Jr. held responsible for what one guy from his crew ends up doing in a situation where I'm sure he didn't want that to happen?
>> Because you're responsible.
>> Because you're responsible if you're as the leader heavy as the crown, >> right? you're responsible if you're putting yourself out there and you're projecting yourself, right? And you're positioning yourself as a mob figure as as a person of reckoning. If you're if your father is endorsing every play that you do and you're saying to check in Junior is a qualified person to check in with, you're responsible for what happens to the people who have checked in with you.
>> You [ __ ] can't just happen. You just back off and say, "Oh, my bad."
>> Yeah.
>> No, that's not how checkin works, >> right? If you check in with me, this check in is some gangster [ __ ] Check in had nothing to do with no mother music.
The whole check-in [ __ ] came from the mafia.
>> When the five family members left New York, they went to Philly. They checked in with the Philly mob boss. Not because they had to, not because anybody would do anything to them, but because when you're in my town, when you're in my city, you're in my territory, I'm responsible for you. If anything happens to you, then the five families are going to come down on my head and crush me.
>> Right.
>> J Prince Jr. as an executive, as a checkin, as as a mob figure has his track record is he's he's zero in he's zero in what?
>> If you invite me to an event in Detroit and somebody ends up shooting me in the head, >> you ain't going to touch.
>> But if if if it happens, if one if a weird situation takes place, does this deserve to be attached to your name forever that you were the one guy who got me shot up by your own negligence? I mean like I get how it is going to happen that way for sure >> at least for a while.
>> Check-in is a street thing, Adam.
>> Yeah.
>> The check-in is not a corporate boardroom backdoor deal, >> right?
>> The the check-in thing is a street element. It's a street consequence, >> right?
>> If I come to your city, right, and you're purporting, you're positioning yourself as the person as a street figure, >> right? When Bill Gates goes from wherever he's at to wherever he's going, he's not checking in with anybody.
>> No, you got regular security.
>> Well, probably like the most elite security imaging thing came from the mob.
>> Yeah.
>> That's where it came from. Right. When Trick Trick had his hand on Detroit, if you came to Detroit and you were friends with Trick Trick, a had better not breathe on you wrong, right? Because if you did, you were going to suffer an egregious consequence for that action.
>> You're saying this in like past tense.
Trick Trick doesn't have the relationship with Detroit anymore.
>> No, I'm not saying in the past tense.
I'm saying when he was really pushing that whole goon squad, no fly zone [ __ ] >> If you came to Detroit and you had a problem with Trick Trick, it was going to be an issue. If you touched somebody who was affiliated with them from coast to coast, >> it was going to be a problem. It's as simple as that. If you come to Detroit and he put his arms around you, you were untouchable. And if you did, somebody did do something to you, there was going to be a consequence to suffer for it, >> right? What is Trick Trick's relationship with Detroit now? And what's your relationship with Trick Trick?
>> Oh, [ __ ] We was in prison together.
>> Oh, really?
>> You know what I'm saying? Long before the whole Goon Squad [ __ ] came together.
Yeah.
>> Trick. Um, >> I know he cares about this [ __ ] that he sees going on right now, >> but they turned against him so heavy.
>> Really? Yeah. When the whole Rick Ross thing happened, when Rick Ross came to Detroit, >> that was bad for him.
>> That was bad for him because the the regular rank and file citizens and the rappers turned against him, >> right? They turned against him for that whole situation.
So, it just was what it was. You mean?
So, I think I Trick Trick narrowly avoided being indicted >> really >> for that situation. Yeah. Because the city was mad at him. People wanted to see Rick Ross.
>> Yeah.
>> The rappers even turned against him. Was that the last time that Eminem did a song with like someone who was a pure Detroit street artist?
>> No. Their relationship don't have nothing to do with music. The relationship that Trick got with Eminem, it has nothing to do with music. They do a song every now and again with each other, but that relationship that comes from 30 30 years of >> right >> of just knowing each other, battling each other, and just having the mutual respect for each other.
>> Definitely.
>> Yeah. It just seems like there probably isn't anybody else that you could kind of compare to that that like Eminem shows love to on that level of doing music with him.
>> Royce.
>> Royce. But Royce is like this like legendary rapper as well, you know, and they have this they have like such a relationship. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> They locked in.
>> Yeah. I mean, if if I'm Eminem's manager during like the COVID era of all these rappers coming out of Detroit and everything, I'm trying to like insert myself into that a little bit more, you know? He did. What? What was that?
>> He asked Royster the 59 should he do a song with Tique Grizzly, >> right?
>> When First Day Out came out.
>> Yeah.
>> And Royce was on Royce told him according to him, we only know about this because Royce recounted recount. He told the story on breakfast.
>> What did Royce say? I didn't know about that.
>> He said he said that. He said, "Yeah, but wait, let's see if he can do what he did with First Day Out again. Let's see if he can if he really if he can really do that again." Right?
>> Because you don't as a huge rapper, you don't necessarily want to be attaching yourself to everyone who >> did it with the Migos. Versace Versace, >> but there weren't one.
>> Nicki Minaj did it with Solid Baby with whole lot of choppers.
>> Yeah, >> I can name a million rappers who lended their credibility, who lended their influence to up and cominging rappers.
>> But to be fair, Drake is well known as the guy who do a song with all kinds of different rappers. Eminem has been so sparing with his cosign over the years that >> he co-signed 50 Cent.
>> One of the biggest rappers of all time.
>> Not at that time.
>> Yeah. But he became that >> through. He co-signed 50 Cent, >> but who also was he had every reason to do a song with 50. 50 was the hottest rapper. He turned him up.
>> He co he turned him up. Yeah.
>> And he was profiting from it financially, which is different than Tigers.
>> He turned him up when he was being black ballalled by the entire industry. Yeah.
Irv Gotti and the whole rock of they were kind of in 50 Cent did a song with T Grizzly right after first day out.
>> I mean in retrospect I think it would have been a good look but it also maybe could have been viewed in a different way. It could have been viewed as like oh look at look at Eminem clout chasing off of the new hot kid from Detroit.
>> So >> and I think that's what they were probably being cautious of.
>> No cuz that's not what he said. That's not what he said. That's not what the reason >> that said let's see if he can make another song. basically like we want to see if he can actually have sustained popularity as an artist without your co-sign which I think is reasonable even though ultimately I think T Grizzly's talented enough as a rapper that >> that wasn't I just did right >> yeah you're going to [laughter] get >> Were you filming with those earlier or you just rock them all the time >> I just got them I didn't actually work on >> you got to get the the the the displays the metal displays the get the displays >> what's the displays >> displays where you have the use your fingers and there's a window inside of the window >> oh I'm dying that sounds cool Yeah.
>> Yeah. You got to go do the >> demo. So, listen.
>> If Eminem would have done a song off of the success of First Day Out >> Mhm.
>> that would have been a major cosign because of who Eminem is worldwide.
>> Of course. Yeah.
>> That would have done something not just for Te's career, but it would have What would have What What would it have meant to the regular rank and file hood [ __ ] >> who aspires to be a rapper?
>> Yeah.
The influence would have been immense.
>> It would have been a very good look for Eminem. But there's another problem that could have happened, too. There's all these like scenarios that could have unfolded >> in hip- hop. When when did we get to all these butts in hip-hop?
>> Okay. But there's a problem that happens in rap where a artist gets big too fast because of a cosign. Think of Block Boy JB. Drake gave him the cosign. Had the biggest rapper ever. It ruined what was at that time a gradual slow building of hype around Blog Boy JB because it was all of a sudden this insane spike and he was never able to make another song that really capitaliz >> in retrospect if we look at it if we look at it in hindsight Grizzly is a hit making >> he's a very talented rapper and musician yes I agree >> right >> y >> so was he able to make another one >> he made a bunch of other big records right yeah >> he's still relevant now in the culture right >> sure yeah >> he still has his deal. He signed his deal in 2016.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> 10 years later.
>> Yeah.
>> How many rappers have been in deals for 10 years?
>> Not a lot in this day and age. Yeah.
>> Well, you don't think I mean, let's be real. The streets think Tigris kind of fell off by this point.
>> Yeah. Hey, they can think what they want to think. Yeah.
>> But anytime he wants to do what he needs to do, he can do it. I put my money on him.
>> Yeah. So, another thing is when it comes to the success of First Day Out, name a Roy 59 song right now.
>> Listen.
>> Hold on. No, no, no. Hold on, [ __ ] Hold on. Uhuh. You [ __ ] with Roy. Right.
>> Here we go.
>> Like, no. No, no, no. Uh-uh. Hold on.
>> I have a bad memory.
>> Name a Roy ass song.
>> I have a bad memory.
>> Name a Roy song. This is blood money.
Get it away from me.
>> No. Name one. name of Royce the 59 song.
>> I can. However, it will require me going to his Apple Music page.
>> He's You just said he was a legend though.
>> He's a legendary rapper. Yeah.
>> Name an Eminem song.
>> Rappers can be legendary without necessarily having a huge song.
>> Name an Eminem song.
>> I mean, I could name many.
>> Name one.
>> My name is >> Name one Royster 59 song. [laughter] >> I can't remember. I know. There's great Roy 59 songs, though.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Good.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah.
Name a T G R Grizzly song besides First Day Out.
>> Well, he had the the Blood is the what was it? The Blood is mixtape with Lil Durk, right?
>> I don't remember any of the particular song names, but >> No Effort. That was a big one. Yeah.
Thank you for volunteering that. He has access to Google over there. So, [sighs] >> yeah. Yeah, I don't know about >> T. Grizzly lyrically is one of the greatest MC's Detroit has ever seen.
Period. One of the most influential MC's Detroit has ever seen.
>> So why do you feel like his career may have slowed down a little bit?
>> Cuz he's doing other things. He's doing he's doing what you suggested the other rappers do. He's 10 years in, >> right? So he started to his focus is not directly on music anymore. His focus is on he has a bunch of business ventures going on from real estate to gaming to >> I heard that GTA [ __ ] ain't really what it used to be. It ain't what it used to be for some people who don't have the level of popularity.
>> I heard it's not what it used to be for him specifically.
>> Uh there's this dude who makes YouTube videos about how he's basically gone out of his way to destroy the virtual economy and >> his GTA server, which he points out in some of those videos that the number of people consecutively using the GTA server is not what it used to be.
>> Right.
>> Granted, GTA 5 been out for like 15 years. GTA 6. Look, hey, I'll bet the house on T Grizzly making a boatload of money when GTA 66 come.
>> And do you know how many other people he's turned on to that?
>> Do you know how many other rappers, how many other his friends are sitting back making 20 $30,000 a month?
>> They have GTA service. Really?
>> Yes.
>> He's building a GTA server for me right now.
>> For real?
>> Yes.
>> You should be a part of his GTA server.
You think you need your own server?
>> Hey, listen. I'll take the money anyway I can. I was a robber.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So to be to sit on GTA and cuss people out and shoot people with >> It does look fun. Yeah. I want to with the RP [ __ ] >> Can I take my money back now?
>> Yeah, you definitely can. I ain't taking it. Yeah. Blood money, man. I don't know who you killed to get that.
>> Yeah. I robbed.
>> You killed.
I wasn't going to say it before, but all those stories about robbing people at gunpoint, I'm like, man, I know one of them went bad.
And that's probably where that money's from.
>> I have breaking news for you. [laughter] You hear me?
>> Yeah, sure.
>> When you see the full footage of what happened between Allstar Jr. Jr. OG33, >> you've seen it >> and Ben 10. When you see the It's You saw part of it. When you see the rest of the footage, >> the security footage, >> all the stories that academics academics trying to run interference. He's trying to run PR. Speaking of PR campaign >> on behalf of >> team Young Boy.
>> Yeah. He's running a PR campaign this long for team Young Boy. But when that footage come out, >> it's going to change the whole narrative.
>> Yes.
>> In what way?
>> It's going to make All-Star J.R. look like a badass.
>> No. All JR Listen, bro. JR don't give a J.R. is not trying to look like a badass, right? People are accusing him of trolling, right? Trolling is what 6ix9ine did to Chicago. Yeah.
>> Right. That's trolling. Don't know him.
Don't have no relationship with him.
Right. You're just saying things about them because they are at the top of the totem pole. You just using them to clout chase, right?
>> Allstar JR is talking about or made a song about in reference something that he actually lived through, went through and experienced. You talking about what you actually went through, whether somebody else likes it or not, that's not trolling. That's just simply you talking about your life experience.
That's not trolling, >> right?
>> He's not speaking from >> He's not speaking. He's not I I didn't tell him a story and he just went and he was recanting what I told him. Yeah.
He's talking about what he actually went through. That's not trolling.
>> I mean, but he looks like a badass because he was on defense. He wasn't really with nobody.
>> He had a bunch of dudes try some [ __ ] with him and then he not only survived this encounter, but he actually did more damage than they did.
>> Listen, I don't give a what academics are saying, >> okay?
>> He took the gun from them, >> okay, >> and shot them with their own gun. I wouldn't give a if he laying on his back or if he's hanging from the raptor like a monkey in the zoo.
You got you y'all attacked him. Dropped your gun. He got it and he bust your ass out.
>> Yeah, that's bad.
>> He shot your finger off your body. You can't even dig in your nose with that finger no more. It's gone.
>> He took Ben 10's finger.
>> No, the other daddy and Ron. He ain't got no He can't dig in his nose.
>> Oh no. Well, you got the other hand.
Yeah, but he's used to using this finger.
>> Awkward to hit it.
>> He had to use this to dig in his nose.
He got use his pinky finger. Almost lost that one, too.
>> Ben 10, get up and walk. All the videos, you getting facials or you eating cold ass eggs in a breakfast platter and a styrofoam really paralyzed.
>> Get up and wiggle your toes and and show the world that [ __ ] bag you got on you.
>> Show that world that [ __ ] bag you got on you. Benny.
>> Yeah.
>> Hey, Benny. What? Hey, Benny.
>> Show the world that [ __ ] back. Hold your shirt up, [ __ ] >> Why is he your op? Just you you hate uh Jay Prince Jr. so much that anyone who rolls around with him is an op.
>> No, we don't. Listen, Allstar J.R.
doesn't know, didn't know, had never met Ben Tin. Doesn't know him at all.
>> Yeah.
>> They never NBA never had a problem with J.R.
>> as somebody who interviewed Allstar J.R.
just because he was, you know, a relatively well-known rapper in Detroit and he had this association with T, etc., Mhm.
>> It was pretty bizarre for me to see him involved in this story line >> after not thinking about him for like the last four years like of all story lines and Oh, okay. So, you have to hate on them because you're pro Detroit. That makes sense.
>> No, no, no. It has to do I'm I'm I'm pro real [ __ ] [ __ ] So, listen.
>> Allar look like a real one and all.
>> So, listen.
>> Good for him.
>> So, I've defended many people from Detroit. Some you know, some you don't know. Right. So me defending a rapper, it seems like I'm defending the rapper.
I'm defending Detroit as a whole because that's the city I represent. Simple as that.
>> Mhm.
>> It has nothing to do with an individual, per se.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. You had you you watch rappers who who have names turn against me over the last month. Still hasn't stopped me. It still didn't stop J.R. from telling academics, uh, if you ain't heard it from Dogface, it ain't come from me. M >> this is on the backdrop of all these people from Detroit saying, "Oh, he's not from Detroit. He's from Pontiac. He don't speak for Detroit." But then when the most significant thing that happens, even though it's something negative, >> Yeah.
>> the person who it happened to who's from Detroit chooses me to be his voice in the YouTube streets.
>> How How far from Detroit is Pontiac?
>> 20 minutes.
>> Oh, it's nothing.
>> 20 minutes.
>> Yeah. I mean, I feel the same way when people are like, "I'm not from Detroit.
I'm from Flint." It's like, okay, we're all the way over here. Y'all are all in this little cluster. I'm sorry. We're going to lump you all in. It's like Long Beach.
>> The traveling north.
>> LA dudes will be like, he ain't from LA.
From Long Beach. To the rest of the world, Long Beach is LA.
>> Yeah. So, so Detroit going north of 75 Detroit.
Pontiac.
>> Yeah.
>> Plant Sagen home.
>> Mhm.
>> It takes an hour to get from Detroit.
>> An hour is pretty significant. It takes an hour to get from Detroit to Flint, right?
>> Yeah. You know, for sure if there was a rapper who blew up out of like San Diego.
>> Yeah. The whole thing is I'm not The whole thing is every interview I've been getting interviewed. I'm one of I I am the most interviewed person >> and this I'm more interviewed than any rapper that you know.
>> I've been getting interviewed on a constant consistent basis for 15 years. Right?
When you look up YouTube presence, you see more about Dogface than anybody else in the city of Detroit. Yeah. Right.
>> I'm not ashamed to be from Pontiac, bro.
>> DDG.
>> I was going to bring him up. Yeah. You you proud of his contributions to the Pontiac? Uh, you know, >> I'm I am. So, listen. I'm not Every interview I've done, >> they say, "Hey, were you born and raised in Detroit?" No, I was born in Pontiac.
>> I moved to Detroit. I've been thuging in Detroit for a long, long time.
>> Simple as that. Uh, I've never lost a battle in the city of Detroit, >> whether it's streets or anything else.
Whether it's certainly haven't lost a social media battle. I certainly haven't lost a YouTube battle. I certainly haven't lost anything.
>> Do you ever tap in with DDG?
>> No.
>> Okay.
>> I know his family, but I don't know him.
>> Are you Do do you think it's overall a good thing that you have somebody whose reputation is not based on street [ __ ] or whatever being a good role model?
>> It's a good thing for any city. If you can find somebody who's made his way like he has with the type of influence and leverage that he has is a good thing. I think people need to be proud of him. I think the whole state of Michigan needs to be proud of him because he's setting the tone. He's setting the example.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Definitely dope to >> Yeah. No. Good for DG for sure. Um Okay.
What do you think about like Booy putting out all this [ __ ] about his protective custody list? Do you have any thoughts about what yards people are going to? Is this a big conversation in Detroit like it is out here?
>> No. [laughter] I don't give a [ __ ] about what Booy talking about. Booy is another [ __ ] who picks and choose chooses who he wants to criticize. I call it selective gangsterism. He's another person when on Vlad and Vlad asks him about QCP. He dumbed up. He knows everything. He knows everything that happened. He dumbmed up because he didn't want to run a file of QCP because amount of power, leverage, the artist that he represents. He didn't want to run a file of that. But Booy has never been shy about calling somebody a rat.
>> He knows exactly what QCP did and he held his tongue because he was afraid.
Yeah.
>> of that power and of that influence.
>> Yeah. No, it is pretty crazy when you really think about it. Like there's so few people who have really been consistent about who they're willing to put the jacket on.
>> Think about the whole Young Thug thing.
He didn't pipe down off of that [ __ ] >> Right. He went against Gunner because it was convenient for him to go against Gunner because everybody else was going against Gunner.
>> He didn't go against Young Thug though, >> right?
>> He dummyed up. I don't pay attention to Listen, if you're listening to Booy and you're if you think you getting some substantive quality information, how that's stupid, you a fool.
>> You think he's stupid?
>> Yeah, I think he's stupid.
>> He's a pretty smart guy business-wise and [ __ ] right?
>> He's he's he's smart as smart is.
>> Okay.
>> But you don't look to Booy for world events.
>> But the thing about Booy is that Booy will only do an interview with Vlad like every 3, four months. And then when he does the interview, he has the power and the ability to tell Vlad, "Hey, I don't want to talk about this, this, and this."
>> So Vlad obviously like if he does the interview every three or four months, there's a bunch of rappers every 3 or four months. Dumb [ __ ] >> that you can say, "Hey, this this dude told what do you think?" Wax said, "This dude told what do you think?" You know, like this 1090J made a video about this guy. What do you think?
>> Booy like clearly kind of ducks a lot of that [ __ ] >> Yeah, ducks a lot of because of I just told you that in the black community, right, we pick and choose. We always have. That's nothing new.
>> People are trying to put the picking and choosing on this generation. No, we've always picked and choose based on convenience or based on benefit.
>> Yeah.
>> If I can benefit from you, >> then even if I know you have done something wrong.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm not going to condemn you like I would condemn that [ __ ] over there cuz I get nothing from him. I gain nothing from him. He does nothing for me.
The crazy thing about it is that as hip-hop fans prior to 6ix9ine, who was a well-known rapper or figure in hip-hop that told >> nobody.
>> We went 40 years or whatever of people making gangster rap music and you never really there's rumors or people would put it on somebody say so and so was a snitch, but you never you had to kind of take their word for it. Since 6ix9ine, the flood grates truly have opened like so many >> all the way open >> to the point where now we have to kind of grade it on a curve because >> what good what Gucci did seems a lot worse than what Gunner did.
>> We have to grade it on a curve.
>> But there's levels to tell.
>> You just call it what you call it, right? So listen, what we seeing displayed in hip-hop with our stars and entertainers is what's always been going on in the hood anyway.
>> We're just seeing the hip-hop, our stars or celebrities fall.
>> But this is nothing new. People are not shocked because Gucci Man told them something. They're not shocked. They're not shocked about 6ix9ine. Listen, one of the most popular rappers in the world over the last five years, Boston Richie.
>> Yeah, >> we saw him in an interrogation room >> doing the one two, >> right? There is life after.
>> Yeah, >> there is life after. White America don't give a Most of the females don't give a >> They don't give a about that. They don't care. White America, you say the world, the world looks at the world. The world is not a bunch of [ __ ] sitting around judging the [ __ ] and pointing the finger at the [ __ ] The world is not dogface versus whack 100.
The world does not give a about either me or him. The world don't give a about some [ __ ] getting robbed in a studio in Dallas. They don't give a about that [ __ ] That [ __ ] is entertainment.
>> Yeah. People's downfall is has become the world's entertainment.
>> Yeah, >> [ __ ] have always entertained the world. We've always been the court gestures. That's what we That's what we here for. We're here to entertain the world. Nobody gives a about who told on what.
>> Telling on somebody is not going to stop Gucci man for getting endorsements.
Telling on somebody stop him being paraded out in front of a stadium full of spectators, >> many of which called him a rat.
>> That he got paid. I think you are going to be surprised as time goes by how much of an impact this is going to have on his career.
>> So, let not surprise because Gucci Man's popularity, success, and his impact was already waning well before this [ __ ] happened. You know what I'm saying? His reputation has already taken so many shots. Uh I think I think a bigger blow than even this was when he went up to breakfast club and he admitted that he was bipolar and and he was on medication and he sat there like a lap dog while his wife guided him through that whole ridiculous interview. I think it explained things for a lot of people though that >> we knew he was bipolar, >> but it explained like why you just don't see him that much and why when you do see him, it seemed like it was in such a controlled environment and >> she should be protecting her bag.
>> Yeah. But okay, the the reason why I even said that about how prior to 2000, there was like such a shortage of people who told in hip-hop is that it used to be easy for somebody like Booy to say, "I don't with rats." And over the last six years, it has become kind of difficult to say that because that means you're going to have to cut off a lot of your relationships even as a guy like Booy.
>> Yeah. Because even even if you don't listen, even if you don't with a person directly, >> there are other people who are going to deal with that person.
>> Yeah.
>> So, do you have to cut them off too?
>> Yeah.
>> According to the street rules, if you with a rat, you're a rat.
>> Yeah. So he right now with the way hip hop is right now you would be cutting off everybody.
>> Yeah.
>> Because it is a cycle.
>> Yeah. But now it's like you know even it's hard to remember how this seems so quaint but 69 came out here to try to do media when he first got out in like 2020 >> and or maybe 2021. I forget but like Vlad didn't want him on.
>> I don't even think I was in the conversation. He had to go do a podcast with Log Logan Paul, you know, he had to go do somebody who was like totally outside of hip-hop and even then it was all talking about snitching or whatever.
But that just seems crazy. Like why the like now everybody in hip-hop's like, "Yeah, we'll do cont 69. Why not?" I mean, sure. There's some people who won't, but >> you know why? I'm going tell you why.
>> Because the world was judging was judging 6ix9ine according to the black standard.
>> Yeah.
>> But black people don't with him then.
Uhuh. We ain't with him. the world was judging and the world woke up, who guy's kind of funny. He's entertaining.
Uh, and the [ __ ] he told on.
And nobody should be even slightly surprised because up until the last five, six years, there was another standard. We're not going to do content with Nazis.
Now you got Nick Fuentes going on all kinds of huge podcasts. Now you got like that's withered away because now everybody's value our primary leading value is attention. If they bring attention people in the media will do it.
>> Listen there are people saying I ain't going on Vlad. I ain't going on Vlad the police. I ain't going on no jumper. Uh uh Adam police.
Okay. So listen for the first time, right? For the first time ever, right, adolescent young black boys and girls and pre-teen adolescence when they were asked what do they want to be? Streamers and podcasters came in higher than rappers and singers.
>> Yeah, >> you're a powerhouse. It doesn't matter whether people like what you say, like what you do. It's of no consequence.
People can talk about Adam. Oh, Adam, let somebody his wife.
[laughter] If I ain't losing no sleep about it, >> right?
>> Why are you >> right?
>> I'm not suffering. She's not suffering.
>> Y'all trying to judge me and what I do according to your own limited understanding of what you think is right and wrong.
>> I don't think the same way you think.
The majority of the people in this world, they don't think like black people think in the ghetto. What black people think in the ghetto don't run [ __ ] M >> does it run politics?
Is what black people think about Donald Trump?
>> I mean, does that stop Donald Trump from being Donald Trump?
>> Him doing pretty well with the black population was definitely beneficial to him this time around, but you know, yeah, obviously it's kind of limited. I mean, like, let's say I knew that Joe Rogan was a fed, that Joe Rogan like works closely with the feds. And let's say that I was a criminal.
>> Let's say I'm secretly running some sort of cocaine distribution network. If Joe Rogan invited me on his podcast, I would still go on it and then I would not tell him about my cocaine distribution.
>> Well, under [laughter] because it's valuable to be able to go on a big platform, right?
>> Listen, I'm going to defend you here.
I'm going to defend you. Adam's a fed.
Adam asks fed questions. Blah blah blah.
Hey, listen. I'm a content creator, you stupid son of a [ __ ] My job is to get the scoop. My job is to make my content interesting enough to the point to where people will watch it again and again and again.
>> If I ask you a question about something that you know you did and it's criminal.
>> Mhm.
>> If you answer the question, that's on you, genius.
>> Yeah, >> that's on you.
>> If you really are such a street dude that you've got all this [ __ ] to hide, >> shoot him up. Bang bang ass [ __ ] Aren't you used to hiding it because you have to hide it in every other aspect of your life?
>> What are you doing on no jumper? If you robbing, stealing, and killing and your only contribution, the only thing that he could ever want to talk to you about is the fact that you have that you a robber, stealer, killer, drug dealer, >> who the are you?
>> I've interviewed so many people that later on I find out, oh, that guy was a drug dealer. Oh, that guy was a killer.
That guy killed a bunch of people.
>> And guess what? But when they were on the podcast, they didn't even hint at the fact that they had killed a bunch of people because if you kill a bunch of people, you're pretty much already putting yourself in the position where you need to make sure that people do not find out about that.
>> So listen, so do they blame you when they when you found out later that you interviewed people who you had no idea about their criminal background, >> right?
>> Did people blame you for that, too, or no?
>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, >> they blamed you for that.
>> I mean, it makes no sense, but yeah, for sure. Even the All-Star Jay Artha, there's people pulling up the old interview that I did with him where we talked for at least a little bit about the fact that he got shot in the head and survived and people are like, "Oh my god, look look look at what happens when you go on no jumper." Like you end up in these. It's like he was telling me about some [ __ ] that happened.
>> Shot in the head and survived >> that he knew that he couldn't get in trouble for because it already happened.
>> He got shot in the head. He ain't telling you about he didn't say who shot him. He didn't say he shot nobody. He said I got shot. But I really have seen like viral posts of people where the comment section is filled with like that's what happens when you go on No Jumper. I'm like this is four or five years ago.
>> No. Uh what happened in Houston at Confessions?
>> Yeah.
>> It had nothing to do with No Jumper.
>> Yeah.
>> What happened with Trey? Was it Trey?
Nine. What's was what was uh was it nine trade?
>> Oh, the nine trade bloods. Yeah.
>> That had to do with you?
>> No.
>> What happened to Pop Pop Smoke? That was you?
>> No.
>> Lil Dirk was you?
>> No.
>> King Vine was you? Quando Rondo's friend getting killed was you.
>> Yeah.
>> No, that's you.
>> And that that's the annoying thing is that >> people will put the most extreme allegation on you of saying that you're a cop or you're a fed or whatever.
>> But they don't consider it their responsibility to prove it.
>> But then meanwhile in the streets, if you're going to call somebody a snitch or whatever, what's the number one thing that a street dude is going to tell you if you call somebody a snitch and you're out of bounds for it? They're going to say, "Hey, if you don't got the black and white, if you don't got proof or whatever, you can't be putting that allegation on him."
>> Hey, Adam.
>> Somehow I don't get that same benefit of the doubt.
>> Cuz you're a white boy.
>> I know.
>> You're a white boy. So therefore, it's easy to condemn you. But for the same thing they accuse you of doing, they themselves do and have been doing. They picking and choosing. They trying to pick on you because you're Adam's 22.
>> Yeah.
>> And they believe that you're easy target.
>> Yeah.
>> But the same people who try to pick on you are the same people who wish they were sitting where I'm sitting right now.
>> They wish it upon the star. Yeah.
>> All the All of the people who who hate Dog Face, do do you know what they're doing right now?
>> Yeah. They pulling their hair out.
>> Right now they're nervous. I'm going to say their name.
>> Yeah.
>> On a podcast that has a five What you How many subscribers you got now?
>> It's like almost 5 million. I think >> you got 5 million. You got five million >> almost. It's like 4.9 or something.
>> They're pulling their hair out right now.
>> Yeah.
If you think they pulling their hair out right now, wait till tomorrow.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Why?
>> Breaking news.
>> Breaking news.
>> Who's your bestest buddy in this whole content creator game who's just as big if not bigger than you are?
>> Vlad.
Act.
>> Well, you know, I've already been on act. Me and we're friends.
>> Oh, you're going on Vlad, too?
>> Yeah, I'm going on Vlad, [ __ ] Yeah, I'm going on that. [laughter] >> And there you go.
>> You hear me?
>> You've earned it for sure. I figured there's no way Mafy's not bringing you there, too. Yeah.
>> Maf is a door. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's dope. You probably be a repeat guest on there.
Which, by the way, like what are your thoughts on Booy uh deciding that Vlad wasn't paying him enough?
>> I think he's too much in somebody else's business. M >> it is an absolute fact that he found out what 6ix9ine get paid and that influenced the booy doesn't have any complicated thought process. He's a stupid >> right. So you do you think he has a complicated thought process where in which he's figuring this [ __ ] out and putting all this [ __ ] together? He ain't putting this [ __ ] together like that. He saw that he heard that he made $50,000 and how could you be paying him who's a rat more you paying me? You're not more interested than he is. the content creator game. Don't listen, doesn't matter if you a real [ __ ] or not.
>> And he paid what he paid 69. I know how much you paid him. He paid him that because it was his first tell all interview in many, many, many years, >> right?
>> Meanwhile, Booy's on interview number 30, >> right? and his interviews would do really well if there was exciting [ __ ] to talk about. But if there wasn't, you know, he's kind of grasping for topics, you know, and that's why they only did I I'm sure Vlad would have loved to interview Booy every single month if it was a little cheaper.
>> Listen, Booy, listen, you became relevant in the interview space, the YouTube space because of Vlad.
>> Yeah.
>> So Booy has the He has the same kind of thing that Charleston White has going.
You think you're bigger than the program.
>> Yeah.
>> We're going to show you that you're not.
>> Yeah. And and this is this is my main thing and this is why I think that Booy turning on Vlad is not going to be it's not going to last in the long term is because almost every single person who's a repeat guest on Vlad is somebody who also makes their own content.
>> Yes.
>> You know Vlad like really who is he finding like how is he scouting for repeat guests? He's looking at YouTube.
He's looking at who has channels etc. So he looks at somebody like Oino and says, "Oh [ __ ] he's doing really good on YouTube. I should see if he wants to do an interview and then he becomes a repeat guest and he's also looking at smaller platforms that are also doing interviews with people with me.
>> Yeah, for sure. Even me when I'm coming up in the rap game, I found a old ass email that I wrote to Vlad like when I first first started having motion on YouTube where I was trying to be a guest on there. Why? Cuz I knew that if I could go on his channel, I could give him content for free and it would help increase my visibility. So with Booy, he's acting like he needs to either be on Vlad or do his own channel. Even if your channel does amazing, even if you make $100,000 a month off of your channel, >> you would still be kind of foolish to not go get 20 25K whatever from Vlad every 3, four months. Like this is how the game works now. You >> You're a damn fool.
>> Use Vlad's platform, but then work on your own platform as well. That's what everybody else doing.
>> You You're a damn fool.
Artful. He just threw a phone to his homie through between two cameras.
>> All right. Oh, I want to give a shameless plug to the Compton Py Rules in the building.
>> Oh, >> you hear me?
>> Shout out to the Compton Py Ruse.
>> Don't try it.
>> I will not. [laughter] >> Don't try.
>> Well, actually, you mentioned porn. The other day I'm shooting a porn scene with some girl and then another dude, right?
We banging this chick together and I'm starting to like >> and he told me he's from Compton.
>> Adam Paul, Adam Paul, >> he told me he's from Compton and at one as soon as he takes his shirt off I get like the gang unveil unveil.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And the other [ __ ] Westside Pyro across >> so heavy on the porn gang now.
>> Oh yeah, I'm porn. So is that a natural transition from cuz >> one hustle is not enough for me, >> right?
>> You know I'm a legend in two games, >> right? So you just like just I mean how did you get into porn Adam? What happened? Just >> no. How'd you get into porn? We all be doing now.
>> Just having a big old white dick.
>> Why you guys just slanging it?
>> I ain't even offended. You [laughter] know what I'm saying? I ain't offended cuz you know we we two men here. We ain't got to say pull off everything.
You hear me?
>> It's a hustle.
>> It's a hustle.
>> Of course. Yeah.
>> Do you make a lot of money doing that?
>> I do pretty good.
>> Pretty good.
>> I'm all right.
>> All right. Okay.
>> You ever thought about getting into it?
>> You got your >> Who do your phone?
>> Who do your phone? Who got it? It's mine. Oh, yeah. It's all good.
>> I gave it to your man. Text back.
>> Oh, yeah. Don't worry about it. It's all good.
>> Did you have a pre-existing relationship with the Compton Pyuse?
>> Yes.
>> Where where did that come from?
>> What? I'm dogface.
>> I can understand the uh symbolic value.
>> So, listen. Listen. I get I get along with all robbers.
>> Oh, okay. [ __ ] They're robbers. All right. [laughter] >> I get along with all steppers.
>> All right. I don't The only people who don't like me is [ __ ] ass ho ass [ __ ] ass [ __ ] >> Is you a stepper? You going to step on something? You going to make something happen, right?
>> They love me, man.
>> I like that.
>> But you're rolling with them because you also want to make it clear that you get love from the pir in LA.
>> No, I ain't trying to make nothing be known.
>> The ones that don't hang out with whack.
>> That's family. I don't give a [ __ ] about no wack. That's family.
>> Oh, okay.
>> That's family. When you It's It's a checkin.
>> Oh, it is? Oh, [ __ ] You check in with the number one crew in the area.
>> Okay.
>> They come to Detroit. They come to where I come to Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Detroit.
They come where I got them.
>> That's what's up.
>> That's how it is.
>> That's how it's supposed to be. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's some gangster [ __ ] It is.
It's a mutual understanding amongst gangsters.
>> You think I'm crazy that I go to all these cities and I don't check in with anybody?
>> You might need to check in with the Compton Py, bro, if you want to be safe.
>> Because you ain't having no luck with them goddamn crips.
>> Really?
>> Respectfully.
Sorry.
>> You know, the Bloods and the Crips aren't like at war out here by nature, right?
>> You going to make them Wack is trying his best to make them go to war with each other.
>> It's a complicated landscape out there, you know.
>> It ain't. It is, ain't it?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But see, I'm going to introduce you to him before we leave >> so we can you know what I'm saying?
Because they they they make majority.
>> They seem like upstanding young gentlemen.
>> Look at them.
>> Yeah.
>> Look, don't get the [laughter] >> He's telling me, don't judge a book by his cover. These are some great guys.
>> You know, all that other [ __ ] There's some great guys.
>> I know you could be a good guy and have a face tattoo.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I understand. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm turned on to that. Um All right. So, uh where you feel like like what are you all building up to with all this? I feel like you've done like an amazing job making yourself more and more of a a focal voice that can be relied on, especially with street [ __ ] especially with Detroit [ __ ] especially with just anything in hip-hop that needs an explanation. and you've kind of become like one of those guys that Ax's going to tap in with when he needs to get some intelligence like where is this all leading up to with you? Are you bu you're building your own platform and everything as well?
>> My own platform. Shout out to Relax Street Star. Shout out to the Mafi channel, right? An integral part of that. Shout out to everybody who who uh who's been instrumental in helping me build my brand. Everybody from Kell everybody from the forum magazine. Um everybody has a voice. Shout out to all my people. Finattotti, OG, Fat Tay, all the shameless plugs. I'mma use this my shameless plug.
>> I like it. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Shout out to everybody who's been instrumental in helping me do what I do.
>> Um Mafi has been instrumental >> and Jeff from Real Life Street Stars have been instrumental in helping me build my overall brand.
>> Where is he based out of?
>> Dallas.
>> Dallas, right? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Real life street stars. The blue couch. That's what they call the blue couch behind it. Um so my whole thing is I can't be with when it come to this [ __ ] I am the most dangerous voice in Detroit. I am morphing into the most dangerous voice in the country when it comes to YouTube streets. We call it the YouTube streets.
>> You are pretty good.
>> I'm great at this [ __ ] >> This is just scratching the surface.
Shout out to everybody, my whole YouTube streets crew. Shout out to Baby D. Shout out to public figure Boogie Detroit Gossip. Uh Uncle Ju. Shout out to everybody who's been supporting me, who been standing behind me. Shout out to everybody in Detroit >> who've been supporting me. Where would you say you get most of your knowledge about on the topics that you talk about?
Are you strictly coming in social media or are you hopping on the phone and really like tapping in with the people who know what's going on before you go on a podcast and discuss some breaking news?
>> I'm a reader. I'm a student of history, religion, and politics. So, I'm I'm an avid reader. I read everything from popular science to popular mechanic to National Geographic.
>> I don't sit up and watch porn all day.
>> Neither do I. Make it.
>> Right. I read. I study. I'm a student of all things. You hear me?
>> As a black man, you can't afford not to know something because you never know what opportunity presents itself or will present itself.
>> So, you have to be ready for whatever comes your way.
>> Yeah, definitely. Sometimes I feel like I got to do more research before I get on here and discuss topics. There's just so much [ __ ] going on that it's hard to find the time to like start calling all the right people and stuff. But then when I see a hop on stream, I can tell that he's already like ascertained a bunch of information by talking to the people who are closer to the the subject matter and everything like that. You know, >> I'm warning academics about this this this being 10 NW them [ __ ] NBA >> NBA Ben 10.
>> I'm warning him about trying to provide a safety net for them [ __ ] ass [ __ ] >> I'm warning him. I'm telling you, hey academics, I'm warning you. You can do public relationship for them, but when you get to trying to be specific about [ __ ] I'm warning you not to do that.
>> G7 is in the building, by the way, too.
>> Okay.
>> You know what that is?
>> G7.
>> You know what that is?
>> No.
>> Grizzly gang.
>> Ah, okay. Nice.
>> They in the building right now. Right.
>> That's good to know.
>> The big one. The big giant one over there.
>> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> The big giant one.
>> I did a cooking show with T Grizzly one time.
>> Uh, yeah. How How'd it turn out?
>> Well, it's not on YouTube anymore. I looked for it a little while back.
Uh-huh.
>> Oh, it was wasn't your content.
>> Nah, he like at some point I think his label had him doing a cooking show, >> right? Right.
>> I guess it didn't work out that well cuz he stopped doing it.
>> Okay, we should do one. We should do something.
>> We should do something.
>> I give a about cooking, but yeah, we could do something.
>> Do something.
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> You got any more questions for me? I know you have questions for me. I know whack detect pretty much the majority.
>> I know whack detecting you. What Wack say?
>> Come on.
>> Actually, I don't think he hit me.
>> Ain't no way in the world he ain't hit you. He know he watching this [ __ ] He did not hit me up.
>> Baby Shooter text you.
>> Nah.
>> Tell Baby Shooter uh I seen him fight.
>> It wasn't good.
>> It wasn't good.
>> You're implying it wasn't good.
>> Wasn't good.
>> Damn.
>> Hey, LA. I love y'all. I'm in the building. Y'all know what it is. I'm on no jumper, baby. I made it, baby. Hey, mom.
>> You made it, man.
>> Hey, mama.
>> And you're the second dog face I interviewed.
>> Who? Ain't no >> Who? What?
>> You don't know about the other one?
>> No. Ain't no other dog face, man.
>> Man, I'm sorry.
>> Call him right now so I can check that [ __ ] ass [ __ ] you talking about? I know >> number. But look, >> that says everything I need to hear. Let me see.
>> Uh, wait. Why does it not come up?
>> Cuz there's only one dog face. That's because your content has been bombarded with me.
>> You don't know about the other dog face?
The one who was drinking the cranberry juice?
>> Oh, yeah. I heard about that. [laughter] Yeah, I heard about that. I heard about that.
>> Yeah, I interviewed him when he first went viral back in the day. Yeah.
>> Mhm. I heard about >> like a Native American.
>> You mentioned him when you were mentioning me one day on Yeah, [clears throat] I got you. Yeah, >> I got you.
>> I'm the only dog face though. He changed his name.
>> Oh, okay. I'm going to tell him.
>> Yeah, tell him.
>> I don't think he's really like street adjacent.
>> He told me he used to live in a tent.
>> On purpose out in the woods. Yeah, in a tent.
>> Okay, I get you, guys. It's only one dog face.
>> I don't think you'd be happy living in a tent.
>> No, >> you got bigger aspirations.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, >> absolutely.
>> I don't think I could live in a tent either. No, >> I never even been camping.
>> A It's hard to a tent, ain't it?
>> You on the ground.
>> Depends how big it is, but Yeah, for sure. That could be a problem.
>> Got you. Could be a problem. If you're going to live in a tent, you kind of owe it to yourself to have a fire air mattress or something going on.
>> Something like that. Absolutely.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah. I don't want to sleep on the [ __ ] >> Any more questions you got?
>> Roots in the dirt.
>> Ask me a good question.
>> [ __ ] >> You've been playing with me. I know you >> We did what we supposed to do.
>> Uhhuh.
>> I got to go to a party in a minute.
>> Party?
>> All of a sudden, I'm going to a party.
It's like an industry [ __ ] man. I don't know. I don't know.
>> Am I inviting?
>> I don't even have a plus one.
>> What? They didn't even give me a plus one. Two, three, four. Fast.
>> If I show up at this music industry party with a dog face and 20 Detroit gang members and also from gang members, >> they from they they from here.
>> The music industry is terrified of the streets of LA. Let me tell you that much.
>> Look at them. They nice guys though.
Look at him. Look at him.
>> They look like nice guys. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Look at him. A god-fearing Christian man.
>> But you notice how the labels in LA will sign every drill rapper out of Chicago and New York, but they won't sign LA gangster. Why? Because these [ __ ] crazy.
>> They don't want that [ __ ] in their backyard.
>> Sign him neither. Look at the mother.
Look at him right there. Hell no. I ain't signing the [ __ ] >> I'm signing the [ __ ] neither.
>> When I was with Atlantic, I tried to sign Draco and they they looked at me like I had three heads. They don't want to sign people that are going to attract that energy out here.
>> I'm glad you said that right. Are you going to ever work for a label again?
>> I have no desire to.
>> Are you going to start your own label?
>> I have no desire to, but it would be cool to like get to that point, but I don't know. There's like a bunch of artists I could kind of imagine myself signing right now, but it just doesn't really feel like the best use of my time.
>> So, listen. How about we have a conversation through MafI? We put together something because I have deep roots in from Detroit to Memphis to St. Louis to Tampa Bay to Florida, all central Florida. How about we have a conversation about choosing? How about we choose a artist and we both get behind one artist?
>> [ __ ] You got the artists and I believe in them. I'm open to it for sure.
>> Yeah. So, how about we we create some system where we let the people from No Jumper vote on what artist?
>> There you go.
>> How about that? Let's shake on it.
>> But here's the thing. As soon as the artist like the narrative is so important, >> and I feel like as soon as the narrative is like everything, >> oh, no, Jumper has their new rapper.
>> Mhm.
>> That's not the best narrative.
>> Why not?
>> When have you ever heard of a rapper blowing up who signed to a media company?
>> You're you're the media companies are the future. Stop talking down about yourself. Stop underestimating yourself.
You're you're a media tycoon. You're not just Adam.
>> But I think the people want an artist to seem >> We don't give a [ __ ] what the people >> or they want to see him sign to an artist that they already love.
>> We We don't give a what the people want.
We decide. We are the culture. We are the movers and shakers in the culture.
We don't give a what they say or what they want. We give them what we want them to have. We force feed it to them.
We don't give a what they think.
>> Y'all the people at home, not the people who are standing directly behind the camera.
Yeah.
I can't control. [laughter] >> They might take it the other way.
>> Don't do that. So, listen. Let's work on it.
>> Let's choose an artist.
>> Let's let No, let's have have them submit it. We'll let Mafy put it together. We'll find a way for them to submit it and then we'll let we'll we'll let No Jumpers audience decide.
>> I already got an artist Mack.
>> No, >> he be rapping. Adam, we're talking about somebody who has a command of the English language above and beyond. I I ain't even going to diss [ __ ] M.
>> He's He's read books. He's smarter than some of the other Crips.
>> Diss him because I don't know him.
>> But I'm talking about somebody more of the u uh the thinky thingy.
>> Somebody who doesn't have a threat to kill people on his forehead, maybe.
>> Yeah, >> that would probably be a good step in the right direction. fits the overall >> cuz we're going to decide what the culture wants.
>> We're going to tell them what they like.
>> But in the music industry, you are kind of beholden to the people. They tell you what's moving and then you dump gas on it.
>> So the first time you heard Sexy Red, you thought it was a smash single >> pretty much. Yeah.
>> No, you didn't.
>> For sure.
>> First time I heard it was like Pound Town. It's a song that was so destined to be gigantic.
>> So So So watch this.
That tells you how polluted and how corrupt your psychologically.
>> No, because I know what people like.
>> That that do you understand what you're saying?
>> But I heard her when she was already fully developed, when she had already had songs that were being pushed out.
>> Yeah. But do you know what that says?
You are exposing the consumers of hip-hop.
>> If you heard that [ __ ] and you knew that it was going to blow up.
>> Yeah.
>> What does that say about the consumers of hip-hop and some [ __ ] like that?
>> They love ratchet [ __ ] They love hedonistic crazy.
>> You telling me? You telling me that 22 and Dogface can't pick and turn somebody can't pick an artist and turn them into a viable star?
>> I know about a million hoes and I don't know if any of them are really ready to be sexy red. She does stand out to me as kind of uniquely dope.
>> Dope. You don't agree?
>> No.
>> Dope. Yeah. In hip- hop we say dope. I'm sorry. [laughter] No, I get maybe not in Detroit.
>> No, no, no, no. Hip-hop. Hip-hop is Detroit. Detroit is hip- hop.
>> I know. But, >> but dope.
>> There's something special about her.
>> It is something special about it.
>> Yeah, >> it is something.
>> People need that.
>> When that [ __ ] spit that lugie in her [ __ ] that brown lugie, >> that was special.
>> That is special.
>> That was special.
>> Yeah. And that [ __ ] survived that [ __ ] >> Made me throw up. My mind, bro.
>> Made me throw up, bro.
>> And I ain't even dissing sexy cuz there's a place for everything. There's a time and place for everything, >> right? Well, all the girls I know were as soon as Sexy Ray came out, every girl I know was listening.
>> Pink booty hole brown.
>> Everybody, every girl I know was listening to that [ __ ] >> I love I ain't mad at Sexy >> because girls want to listen to a girl who's more of a [ __ ] than they're comfortable being.
>> Yes, that is true. Yeah, >> that's absolutely true. I ain't mad at sexy. So when you see a sexy, don't get mad at me.
>> Most women are not going to like talk about the kind of [ __ ] that Cardi B talks about in her songs.
>> And that's why Cardi is so popular.
Cardi, Megan, Nikki, they're popular because they are unafraid >> to be them to be their genuine sales. So to at least put on the facade.
>> No, we we we all do that. You know, if somebody disrespects me, I'm not going to go kill them, but I'll listen to rappers who talk about how if somebody disrespects them, they're going to go kill him.
>> Mhm.
>> We're all kind of using music to live voyeristically through >> up in here.
>> I don't even think it's up. I think it's understandable.
I mean, we're watching Bruce Lee movies who didn't even know how to do karate, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Or if they did know how to do karate, they weren't no Bruce Lee.
>> Yeah. But this ain't no Bruce Lee [ __ ] we got going on here. This some [ __ ] >> No. Sexy red is Bruce Lee.
>> Hey all, [laughter] >> shout out to Dogface. I appreciate you coming on. Uh, tell them where to go subscribe if they want to see your your content consistently on YouTube and whatnot.
>> Hey, listen. Go follow me on Instagram, The Most Dangerous Voice in Detroit. Go subscribe to Mafy channel, Mi channel.
Go subscribe to Real Life Street Stars, Real Life Productions. Subscribe to Kidell. Subscribe to the Form Magazine.
Subscribe to Everybody Has a Voice.
Subscribe to OG Fate Tay. Subscribe to Fingle Gotti. Subscribe to the YouTube streets. Subscribe to No Jumper.
>> Type in dog face. I'm aware.
>> He said it. D AWG face. Just in case anybody is not uh aware.
>> Everybody wear me.
>> Yeah. I appreciate you coming on, man.
It was great getting to know you. Uh I think you're going to be a gigantic force.
You're good at what you do.
>> I appreciate it.
>> You're already pretty significant, but you're going to go crazy. Um, shout out to Dogfish No Jumper.
>> Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, Tik Tok, Instagram, etc. Like, comment, and subscribe. Shout out to our members who actually got to watch this live. And uh, >> I'm laugh.
>> Yeah, >> I'm scared.
>> Nah, >> I am.
>> Nah, you tell me this was laugh.
>> I don't think you came with 20 killers to be scared, right?
>> You rolled with the demons for a reason.
>> You didn't tell me this was laugh.
>> Mafi. Mafi consulted with me.
>> How? I'mma sneak out of here now.
>> Shooter's outside.
>> Yeah, >> baby. Shooter's outside.
>> Shooter and whack outside with Drake's.
>> Yeah, not so much.
>> This might be your first and last November interview. That's too bad.
>> Really?
>> I mean, >> ain't what they say. [laughter] That ain't what they say.
>> All right, shout out Dogface. Let's This is Conn fool.
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