Ghana's Biggest Cocaine Saga || The MV Benjamin Case

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[00:00:00]On the 21st of April 2006, the Ghana Nquotics Board got information that there's a vessel called MV Adid is a vessel and it had cocaine that was coming towards our shores. When they entered the fishing vessel, they had a go. They had been tipped off about some parcels of cocaine in that vessel. But when they went in there, they found just one. And what happened was they were when they got to the port they were of loaded onto two canoes to they engaged fishermen and some people to carry the load from the canoe to a waiting van.

[00:00:39]The police or law enforcement were able to inter intercept the cocaine. They got 67 slaps 67 sacks or cartons and then along the line one of the ples turn into kungi powder.

[00:00:52]>> Yeah.

[00:01:04]Unfortunately, last week I tried to be professional as you guys were complaining in the comment section. But I'm back with my cross legs. You have to take me as you have.

[00:01:15]We don't have a choice. I feel comfortable like this. So don't look at me. Listen to the words from my mouth.

[00:01:22]All the talking. pass it on to you and tell them something.

[00:01:25]>> I I I I I crime deal crime.

[00:01:29]>> Yeah. Fifi, we're back again from last week. Um today we have another special episode.

[00:01:37]You know, for some weeks now, maybe a week or two. There's a video trending of an an ex police detective who supposedly was, you see, years ago there was a case that happened in Ghana where um some cocaine.

[00:02:00]>> They said cocaine into the >> No, it turned into or something.

[00:02:05]>> Yeah. Years ago and this detective came out. In fact, the interview is from four years ago and he came out to say, "Oh, he was part of the police people who arrested the a whole lot of um and so today I wanted to spend time to talk about this particular case.

[00:02:27]Um, so let's go back to 2006."

[00:02:33]>> Okay.

[00:02:34]>> 27th April 2006.

[00:02:36]>> 20 years ago.

[00:02:37]>> 20 years ago.

[00:02:42]So 20 years ago 27th April ah the Ghana Navy together with like law enforcement some other agency of law enforcement they they sort of go into a vessel a shipping vessel.

[00:03:01]Now when they entered the fishing vessel they had a goal.

[00:03:07]>> Mhm. They had been tipped off about some parcels of cocaine in that vessel.

[00:03:14]>> Mhm.

[00:03:16]>> But when they went in there, they found just one sack or a cutting of a cutting in the in the holding area of the vessel.

[00:03:29]They were surprised because tal we expected a huge consignment. Mhm.

[00:03:36]>> Now they open the carton of sack and they find out that it had 25 slabs of cocaine.

[00:03:47]Now each slab was a was 1 kilo. Um those of you who who are into drugs or who do pharmaceutical business, you know that usually cooking is cut in kilos. That's why they call it keys. M.

[00:04:04]>> So they were confused like but on the vessel were three people and so they arrested them. Now after this arrest or after this case came out it blew all over the country. News agencies started reporting it that some cocaine initially when it came out they said cocaine had been missing from the vessel.

[00:04:33]Then a few days later, for some for for whatever reason, the vessel was set on fire. It's not clear who did it.

[00:04:44]>> So, it's supposed to be an accident.

[00:04:46]>> Clearly, it wasn't an accident.

[00:04:48]>> Yeah, I know. But like, is that supposed to pass?

[00:04:50]>> Exactly.

[00:04:51]>> Okay.

[00:04:51]>> So, immediately at the time, that was the time at the time the president was Dufur.

[00:04:59]>> Mhm. And so what they did was they decided that they would look into it. So they set up a committee, a five member committee to look into it. Now this committee became came known as the Georgina Woods committee because at the time Georg was the chief justice and so this five member committee was set up on July 4th of 2020 206 to look into into this. Now the mandate of this committee was to one determine the facts leading to the suspected loss of the the what's the name the cocaine that was missing.

[00:05:45]>> Mhm. The second part was they were to look into some activities of some senior policemen regarding another cocaine case that happened in 2005, November 2005 about 558 kilograms of cocaine that was taken from a house at East Ligon. And allegedly the owner of this cocaine said that they had bribed two policemen 200,000 100,000 cities each at the time >> 2055.

[00:06:24]>> Yeah.

[00:06:25]>> So that was the mandate of the comm committee. So they started looking into it and they found out that on the on the 21st of April 2006 the Ghana narcotics board or the nakob got information that some cocaine there's a vessel called MV Adid >> MV Adid is a vessel and he had cocaine that was coming toward towards our shores.

[00:07:01]So they got sightlight images and even pictures of the vessel and started looking forward to to it coming to the shores of of Ghana.

[00:07:12]Then they didn't hear anything until 25th.

[00:07:20]25th. Now, before the 25th, they were looking into they were still looking for this vessel and somehow it got missing.

[00:07:28]They did not find it again.

[00:07:29]>> Mhm.

[00:07:31]>> It was on the 25th that they had they found out that he had somehow gotten to the sh the shores.

[00:07:40]>> Mhm.

[00:07:41]>> Under a different name, MV Benjamin. M.

[00:07:46]>> So it looks like the people who had this vessel either changed the name before they landed at the shores >> of of Tema or they use a different name, whatever.

[00:08:03]But it was on the 27th that they eventually got to know that the the MV Benjamin had been finally they finally saw it.

[00:08:15]>> But now here's the thing. On the 26th of April 2006, what happened was >> the vessel had 77 parcels of cocaine or 77 sacks of cocaine. Mhm.

[00:08:29]>> Each sack contain 25 slabs >> of cocaine. So that is 25 kg of cocaine in each sack >> of 77 saxo. And what happened was they were when they got to the port they were offloaded onto two canoes to Pong. And then at Pong they engage they engage sorry fishermen >> Mhm.

[00:08:54]>> and some people to carry the load from the canoe to a waiting van.

[00:09:03]>> So they can from >> to >> Oh wow. And it had a it had a so it was two canoes, a very a big boat and one small boat, >> right? Apparently the small boat carried people who were holding who had guns and arms >> protecting the shipments >> and the bigger one carried >> the sh the the the cocaine.

[00:09:28]>> So they brought that to B and then it was moved from the shores the boat to a waiting van.

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[00:09:45]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:09:48]>> There's the one at around place.

[00:09:54]>> Yeah. K P O N E.

[00:09:57]>> Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

[00:10:00]>> Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

[00:10:02]>> You mentioned without a K. Pong is >> yeah that's why I was wondering that okay so this is >> so so then how that is cuz I was wondering how they move from all the way to go there with a canoe >> so this is boom like boom boom Editor, editor, you have to spell it and put it there.

[00:10:36]>> Spell it.

[00:10:38]>> So that's distance from the no.

[00:10:46]>> Yeah.

[00:10:51]>> Okay.

[00:10:54]>> All right.

[00:10:57]So now they like I said so now these parcels of was then moved from tema to pong >> around pamp.

[00:11:08]>> Mhm. So the you are talking about >> pram one.

[00:11:12]>> So then they now have loaded it to a waiting van that was waiting over there.

[00:11:18]Right.

[00:11:20]And it is said that this waiting van was was um was bought there by the owners of this these parcels of working. Now, I'll get into that later, but during the investigations of the Georgia Commission or committee just around August, an audio recording of um an audio recording of a big policeman. I don't know if I should mention the name because I want to really go inside. But this audio recording came out or it was dropped. It was a video. It was an audio tape that was dropped at the the office of the of Georgina Woods.

[00:12:10]>> Mhm.

[00:12:10]>> And when they got into it and start listening to it, >> it was of this big policeman. He's retired now. Popular. You know him. I'm not going to mention the name because again >> I want to go inside and I don't want anyone to come and so you let me go inside. But let's call this policeman COP.

[00:12:34]>> Okay.

[00:12:35]>> So when the audio came out, I have a transcript of the audio now. In fact, I printed I printed the sheets together with um the the report, the committee report, but I left it in before I came to the studio. But anyway, the audio the transcripts of of the audio or the audio suggested that this cop had invited some men to his house at Kanda to discuss the MV2 Benjamin issue. Basically, he had heard rumors that he, the policeman, together with some of his boys had gone into the MV2 to go and raid it. Cuz when the case happened, people thought that the MV2 had been raided and that's why it was left with one pel.

[00:13:30]>> Mhm.

[00:13:32]>> Like someone had gone to steal.

[00:13:33]>> Mhm.

[00:13:35]So he called these guys and I'll mention their names later but he called these guys and they were discussing it and eventually the conversation after they had established that oh um it wasn't him or it wasn't any of these men they started now talking about their deals and how they've done some shady deals with and they did not mention the word cocaine but they mentioned goods. In fact, at some point in the conversation, he talked about how some goods were stolen.

[00:14:05]One of the goods were stolen and the Colombians came to Ara to look for the people who stole it. I mean, when Colombians come into this kind of conversation, you know where I'm going.

[00:14:15]>> Yeah.

[00:14:16]>> So, anyway, the commission established through three people and that's where the investigation really kicked off. So when the MV2 was eventually raided by the Navy and law enforcement, you remember I told you that there were three people in there.

[00:14:34]>> Mhm.

[00:14:35]>> So in I think for me I think what was happening was they had that remaining sack or parcel of of the coin was left for these three people maybe. But now these three people were James Kinsley Inum who was the cook of the vessel.

[00:14:53]>> Mhm.

[00:14:54]Mind you, this vessel was a shipping vessel.

[00:14:58]Then the second person was Isaac who was the second officer of the vessel. The other person was Philip Bruce who was the mechanic of the vessel.

[00:15:08]So it is from these people that the story kicked off and how they were even able to get to know who owned the vessel or who was in charge of the parcels. Now they said that in their story when they got between KD there's a point between KD and Venezuela. So Ked is the where KD is situated is like in line with where Venezuela is on the South America map and some point in there they could not dock at any shore but whilst they were there because there felt like it was windy and the weather was somewhere. So whilst they were there in the at that point, two boats came and some white men dropped 77 pels of cocaine into that vessel.

[00:15:59]>> Ah, >> so that's how they got their cook.

[00:16:03]>> That's how they got But it was like that was a plan is >> it wasn't like they said they did not know about it, but >> Uhhuh. So they they received it from that point from that point.

[00:16:11]>> Cuz I was like are they saying that people just >> No, no, no. They received it from that point. So they put it the the people dropped it in the open deck of the of the vessel and then they move it from the open deck >> to the holding.

[00:16:23]>> So right now I want to make sure. So right now the account they are making is what happened.

[00:16:27]>> What happened is the truth.

[00:16:28]>> This is the truth.

[00:16:28]>> Okay.

[00:16:30]>> Certified by the committee.

[00:16:31]>> Okay.

[00:16:33]>> So that's how they said this happened.

[00:16:36]>> They received the >> they received the cocaine. Now the investigations further moved on to say that when they got to eventually when they got to the Tema port >> Mhm.

[00:16:49]>> or the port of Tema um there's a a local fisherman whose name was um Ku.

[00:16:58]His nickname was Ais Ais.

[00:17:02]He lived around Tmanu town and he was one of 11 people.

[00:17:09]He was one of 12 people who moved the consignment from the canoe to the waiting van.

[00:17:17]And they were paid $5,000 each >> 2006 >> in 2006.

[00:17:23]$5,000 each to move that.

[00:17:27]Then when they moved this consignment to the van, the next character that came into the picture was a police sergeant whose name was Samuel Yao Amoa. Now Samuel Yao had gotten a tip off about this and went there went to home with two police officers and some area guys. But they said that when they went there, they didn't they didn't see any illegal activity, but he chanced on the owner of the parcel >> who had come there with a van to take the consignment item. So he came at the same time they were trying to move.

[00:18:09]>> Yes.

[00:18:10]>> Like they were packing the items.

[00:18:11]>> They had actually moved it. They were now just about to move.

[00:18:14]>> Mhm. Now it is established in the committee findings that the name of this the owner of these parcels or consignments his name was Asim Daki Sharif and he had a limp on one of his >> legs >> legs. So eventually subsequently news the news started calling him the limping man.

[00:18:38]>> Okay. When Samuel encountered him, the detective encountered him, he as told him bluntly, the consignment we move, but you I won't you know I won't make work. So he Asam Daki he the detective >> sat in the car of Asam Daki and they drove to his house at community 20 community 5 and he gave him $3,000 and told him chal no job will come.

[00:19:13]>> So instead of him reporting the issue to his superiors he did not report it because >> he's working with him now.

[00:19:20]>> He's working with him now.

[00:19:23]So eventually they now establish that the vision vessel, the vessel itself, the MV Benjamin was owned by one Joseph Cotto Dawson who was the director of Dashment Company. Dashment company had these vessels.

[00:19:43]>> Mhm. Now subsequently dur when during the committee's investigations in fact they it is they said that they talked to over four 400 people or so 40 people plus institutions.

[00:20:00]>> Mhm.

[00:20:01]>> And so they talked to Cojo Dawson who said who said that as Daki had paid Dashment company >> Mhm. or the MV Benjamin vessel vision vision vessel $150,000 to go and rescue a distress vessel from the shores of Guinea said no boss it doesn't make sense you are your your vessel is for fishing >> you do not have the strength to pull another vessel >> so they did not take that >> and then the path they used they used C Venezuela is that a a guinea route.

[00:20:44]>> No, no, no, no. I mean, apparently when they start descending from Ket coming down to Ghana. Yes.

[00:20:50]>> Oh, okay. Okay.

[00:20:51]>> Yes. So, these were this was >> No, but still so when they got to the shors was the rescue ship part >> like probably >> I don't know where they were trying to go with it. But anyway, by September of 206, the committee had released their findings and they had in fact recommended the prosecution of a team of people.

[00:21:20]>> Um the the key people are Asam Daki Sharif who was the owner of the the um what's the name the consignments.

[00:21:30]Captain Hawk was the captain of the Adid or the MV Benjamin vessel >> and then one Chinese guy who was a chief engineer and a guy called Quakon.

[00:21:42]Quakong was a Korean his nickname was killer. It is it is it is learned from the the report that it was killer and Asendaki who actually owned the consignment. They worked together and in fact they were the two people who had the waiting vans waiting for the consignment to be taken from the from the boats to to to the car.

[00:22:10]>> So they recommended these people for prosecution. Now, Asam Daki was invited to the comm committee >> and he came there with his lawyer blah blah blah and then after that a bus >> he was free.

[00:22:28]>> Oh, >> but the police raided his house.

[00:22:32]>> Mhm.

[00:22:32]>> The comedy 5 house.

[00:22:34]>> Mhm. And when they got into the house, in the master bedroom, they found that in the the around where the bathtub was, there was a secret compartment that led to like a bank like was it safe?

[00:22:47]>> A like a a big >> safe.

[00:22:50]>> Safe.

[00:22:50]>> Yeah.

[00:22:51]>> Not a safe >> like he keep stuff there.

[00:22:53]>> No, it's a Yeah, it's like a store room.

[00:22:55]>> M >> where they saw a pistol, they saw guns, they saw cartridges. basement type of and they saw like gloves gloves that they supposed was to use to cover their mouths when they cutting the cohain.

[00:23:09]What they they say >> and so but he was nowhere to be found.

[00:23:13]he had escaped.

[00:23:16]And then they also recommended the prosecution of of what's the name the the members of the pe the police man >> the police the one to the 3,000 >> to the $3,000 and some members of the the ship. But but but wait, did he go and sell out the policeman when when when they so how did he not >> I I believe the people who blew this open was the three people they arrested on the vessel.

[00:23:50]>> So the cook >> the second officer and the mechanic.

[00:23:53]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:23:54]>> Right.

[00:23:55]>> Now let's move to the other angle of this conversation.

[00:24:00]>> Do you ever remember the name Tagore? I mean, I feel like I've heard that name several times. So, I don't know who specifically.

[00:24:09]>> The years ago, there was some cooking case that happened. You You're young, but >> you're a baby, but maybe. Yeah.

[00:24:18]>> So, for people who are a bit older, you might have heard of Tago, cocaine, baron called Tago.

[00:24:27]>> Oh, really?

[00:24:28]>> Yes. This was how his name came into the picture. Now remember I told you that the committee got hold of an audio recording of this cop and some people.

[00:24:40]>> Now these people had these people had um Tago whose actual name was Kabana Ain and Isa Abas >> and one Muhammad Moro and one Champ. So it was these people who had that meeting and they met to discuss cuz they had heard that some cocaine had been missing from the vessel and they started pointing fingers at each other. Yo, >> it looks like it was you people, right?

[00:25:17]>> But eventually they learned that it wasn't any of them.

[00:25:21]But then they proceeded to talk about other deals that they've done with cocaine. And except that they were not talking, >> they were not using the words cocaine.

[00:25:30]They were saying goods.

[00:25:32]>> They were talking about some Colombians, they were talking about how they drive policemen, blah blah blah, stuff like that.

[00:25:40]So eventually day two the people in the in the audio recording including this policeman COP who was the director of operation at the time was also recommended by the committee to go through some sort of legal to be looked at >> or to be prosecuted you can see. So eventually in 2007 starting from about May coming out of 2000 the late 2007 Tago and Abbas went to trial.

[00:26:20]Now the whole case of the prosecution was based just solely on the audio tape that the committee had >> cuz that was the only sub.

[00:26:34]>> Yes. They did not have any evidence that these people were treated in cocaine or anything. They just listened to the audio inside >> the audio itself. Even the cocaine was referred to as good.

[00:26:43]>> Yes.

[00:26:43]>> Mhm.

[00:26:44]>> So that was the whole the whole base of this trial. Mhm.

[00:26:50]>> So those times I remember I was young but became the symbolism for cocaine at the time.

[00:26:59]>> They were dropped through court and then in during the trial it is learned that Issa Abbas is the owner of um a company called Gas Impix. Now at the time Issa Abbas was the sole agent of vehicles from Russia and he supplied cars to the police service at the time.

[00:27:26]He also supplied um fishing companies with cars and ties like he was that rich motorbikes. Yes.

[00:27:35]And in fact during the trial he even showed he even showed invoices >> of that the police owed him like monies that the police owed him for things that like cars that he had given the police.

[00:27:49]>> And he at the time he also he himself also owned three vessels.

[00:27:53]>> Mhm.

[00:27:53]>> Shipping vessels at the time 206.

[00:27:56]>> Mhm. Eventually in November of 9207, 2007, November 28 specifically, they the two of them were sentenced to 15 years each with charges related to cocaine.

[00:28:13]>> Mhm.

[00:28:14]>> There were about two charges that were dropped. I think um that had something to do with they dealing with cocaine or something like that that those were dropped. Now two years if after this whole thing the it went to appeal and the court the appeal the court of appeals overruled the convention and in fact they discharged the two of them because the court of appeal said boss fastra court those times we had a fast track court >> for people who don't who don't know or remember the fastra court was set by the then kufur government to look into cases like these cases and treat it fast because we've talked about how slow the judicial system is and so the fast track court was set to look into these cases >> fast fast >> then you're done >> then done and then you're done so in 207 the court of appeals would actually >> how can you base your whole evidence >> on the audio >> on the audio >> it's not like you went to find any cocaine anywhere >> during the same time when the trial of these two started the EOP was also told to proceed on leave while they do investigations about his conduct because um it was established that he had used his power to in fact during the audio he said that oh he when it comes to some of these guys and by these guys I'm talking about drug dealers >> he has never even arrested anyone before it is only one person that >> how long was the audio >> it was over two over an hour >> they sat there forever Eventually, Issa Abbas came out to say during his trial that he was the one who recorded the audio and at the time he had been taxed by the then director of NAOPS >> one Ben to to record the conversation because Ben suspected that the cop knew something about it or about the missing cocaine.

[00:30:18]>> Mhm. Now the thing is at the time like I said when he came saying oh the coc was missing but it wasn't missing it had actually been moved by >> Yeah.

[00:30:29]>> And they had just left that one over there.

[00:30:32]>> Mhm.

[00:30:32]>> Eventually along the line during the trial before even um Tagore and Isabas were sentenced. The 25 kilos of coc were by the order of the judge at the time was bent. They they bent it down. They didn't want to keep it anywhere for anyone to come and say it has it was missing.

[00:30:56]>> But eventually in 2012 that he was arrested at the Kibu hospital from a hideout. I don't know what he was doing there after over the country.

[00:31:09]>> He was here. These people the money they have it is only here they can chop it up.

[00:31:14]>> So he was around eventually he was arrested. Oh, you want to be stubborn.

[00:31:21]And when he was arrested, his trial started and I think he his case if I remember right in fact by 20 years he was sentenced in 2014 to 22 years >> and then before his own around 2010 2011 >> the owner of M MV Benjamin Dawson Joseph Joseph was also sentenced to 25 years.

[00:31:50]So it's clear that they are still they >> so they in prison right now >> because Joseph Joseph also appealed >> but together with Joseph together with >> the the the >> cop >> no not the cop the captain of the vessel the >> the mechanic >> the mechanic and the all all these people were together with Dawson they were they were sentenced >> 25 years >> yes each >> yes no D was sentenced to 25 I do not know >> about the >> about the artist but I think was within the same range. I believe so they still believe.

[00:32:26]>> So what happened does the does the court take their properties?

[00:32:30]>> Oh yes.

[00:32:31]>> Damn. So they are poor now technically like >> you money?

[00:32:37]>> No have to do because at least if you are paying for do they do they have children?

[00:32:41]>> I have no idea. The details of that did not come at the time >> is is Abbas was 54 >> at that time.

[00:32:48]>> Yeah. But was about in his late 30s but wait but they left him after 2 years isn't it?

[00:32:59]>> Yes after 2 years.

[00:33:00]>> So he is not in >> Oh even 2020 or so eventually along the line he was made a chief for somewhere.

[00:33:11]>> Oh I see.

[00:33:12]>> Yeah in somewhere in Asante region like those and stuff. Yeah.

[00:33:16]>> And I have He's been around. Is still around.

[00:33:20]>> So you know what he looks like?

[00:33:22]>> Oh yeah, I do.

[00:33:23]>> I want to see was a fine guy.

[00:33:25]>> Oh >> no, I won't say he was. He is a fine guy.

[00:33:28]>> So is he still >> he's still rich? Either he's Rachel.

[00:33:30]>> How old is he now?

[00:33:32]>> I have to do the math.

[00:33:36]Oh yes. Right now he's in his I mean he was 30 plus at the time.

[00:33:39]>> Oh 30 plus at that time. That was 54.

[00:33:42]>> But Isa was 54 at the time. And I'm not sure if Yes, I'm Yes, >> cuz that was 20 years ago.

[00:33:48]>> He was He was Isa Abbas was rich, so I'm sure he's still alive. He was taking care of himself >> and in jail.

[00:33:54]>> No, no, no. He Isa together they were free. But um >> Joseph Dawson and Dailed.

[00:34:03]>> [ __ ] >> Yeah. D the Olympian man was jailed 22 years. D um Dawson was jailed um 25 years.

[00:34:12]>> And the states took their properties.

[00:34:14]Yes. If you if you are if you are found out to have if you are found out to have used the proceed of these things to >> to build they will take it from you.

[00:34:26]>> Sure.

[00:34:27]>> So now the thing is that himself he owned um a a fisheries company.

[00:34:36]>> Mhm.

[00:34:37]>> Right. That was a front for >> Yeah. for what he was doing at the time.

[00:34:42]what he was doing.

[00:34:44]I don't want to talk about how some acra people have been moving but this the practice of this practice it not start from now >> that's what what they call money laundering.

[00:34:54]>> Yes, that's what they call money laundering.

[00:34:55]>> Okay. So >> is that money laundering if you are selling cocaine?

[00:34:59]>> It is because you are you are using a process of cocaine to run a legit business of fisheries >> because he had a legit business of a fishery company.

[00:35:09]>> Mhm. So they did have fish.

[00:35:12]>> Mhm.

[00:35:12]>> And so they missed the cocaine with the fish.

[00:35:15]>> So when they were moving the van actually. So now you think >> they sell fish.

[00:35:20]>> Yeah.

[00:35:20]>> But that was one >> you know I don't really get the concept of money laundering.

[00:35:24]>> So the concept money let me let me just have my bag.

[00:35:29]Let me get into it. So concept of money laundering is simple.

[00:35:33]You have an illegitimate business.

[00:35:35]>> Mhm. and you have a legitimate business to make that illegitimate business legal. Let me explain. So you have dirty money.

[00:35:47]Now that dirty money when it passes through the bank or anywhere it will raise suspicion >> because you we do not know of any work that you do that would make you earn this amount huge amount of money.

[00:36:05]>> Mhm. So now what you do is you set up a legal business.

[00:36:09]>> So for instance I can say I am a fashion designer. I have a fashion studio. I have a fashion shop. I make capans. Then >> you make what I'm wearing >> like Yes. I mean what she's wearing. So let's say I sell every outfit a set of every outfit for 3,000 CDs. A set.

[00:36:28]>> Mhm.

[00:36:30]>> At the end of the month I claim that I have sold 100 pieces.

[00:36:36]What I do then now is I now introduce that illegal money or dirty money into my business >> and record it as sales.

[00:36:48]>> Now if I record it as sales, I'll be able to pay tax on those monies.

[00:36:53]>> Mhm.

[00:36:54]>> And now I mean it's not like G is not going to ask me the 100 people you sold the outfit to where are they? M >> all they know is I have recorded that I have sold 100 captains and each of them is 3,000 CDs and I've been able to pay the tax on it. So that way that illegal money now ends up becoming legal money.

[00:37:19]>> Okay.

[00:37:20]>> But but but it makes sense in abroad but Ghana year do they check that thing? So I I so maybe they do not check but people just generally don't like to don't want to have eyebrows on them. And also if you're going to do this business for long eventually you see the thing about this business illegal business is a lot of times >> law enforcement they watch you.

[00:37:46]>> Mhm.

[00:37:47]>> Waiting for that slip.

[00:37:48]>> Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[00:37:50]>> So you have to you have to close the gaps by having a legal business. when they come you told them yes >> yeah yeah this is what you're doing >> so that's how come people are paying I not mention anyone's name but people are paying $10,000 and $20,000 for rent around can >> so do do you have to be like let's say let's say I'm selling a capan for 3,000 CDs right do I need a buyers or I just need it to be established that I sell this for 3,000 >> you don't need actual buyers M >> you just again gr or any entity is not going to ask you where are the 3,000 buyers.

[00:38:32]>> If I own a restaurant and I see I've sold 20 pl 200 plates >> how am I going to show you the it's not like I record the information of >> every client >> every client who comes there.

[00:38:42]>> Okay.

[00:38:43]>> So now I'm able to sell 200 plates. I've put in that fake illegal money that I've sold 200 even though maybe I might have sold one.

[00:38:51]>> Okay. and >> so so with this so then now you can that means the money is clean now so you can use it and if anybody so then how are people able to do it through foundations because because I heard foundation or charities because the money you are supposed to use to be doing good things so if you use it to go and buy car somebody ask you what and you say that you got it from your foundation >> no we agree what you said >> so how are people able to launder money through foundations or charities >> so they launder into foundations as donations from other people.

[00:39:23]>> So yes, so if so you donate to me and let's say I go used to buy a car and then the G comes to ask me how did you get money to buy this car and I'll say my I got it from my foundation.

[00:39:34]>> So so generally generally generally you know even you know even NOS's still have stuff.

[00:39:43]>> Mhm. Oh so they'll pay their >> Yes. They they pay the president they'll pay the whatever. So yes they still have they still have stuff. So yeah, it it can it can really when it comes to moneyaundering is >> as in trying to push the money. Oh, and shut is how you go explain and beware the issue. And that's why you find that again there are empty office spaces.

[00:40:07]>> Yeah.

[00:40:08]>> All over Ara.

[00:40:09]>> And then >> they said that there are like furniture shops that sell like a chair for like something something and nobody buys the chair. But >> look, >> there are a lot of businesses, a lot of businesses in Ara. It will shock you.

[00:40:21]>> It will shock you. It will shock you.

[00:40:23]Again, I don't want to >> then civilians will be entering those shops trying to buy.

[00:40:29]>> People have put things in place you want to buy.

[00:40:32]>> You are adding to the numbers.

[00:40:35]>> At least CCTV is catching that there's entry and exits.

[00:40:39]>> So yeah, that's where money.

[00:40:41]>> Wow. Interesting.

[00:40:42]>> But back. So the fishery was the the the place for what he was actually doing with the cocaine money. Okay. So that he can spend the money well.

[00:40:49]>> Yes.

[00:40:51]>> But back to our story.

[00:40:54]When I started the when I started this, I talked about how a police officer said him. Uhhuh.

[00:41:00]>> Yeah.

[00:41:01]>> So recently, last week, a video started coming out.

[00:41:05]>> Oh, the one they tagged us in.

[00:41:06]>> Yes.

[00:41:07]>> Yeah.

[00:41:07]>> A video started coming out. I seen the video about two years ago.

[00:41:11]>> Mhm. But you know I didn't really pay attention to it. But last week or last coming I watched it and already the the man story was some way to me and I'll explain why. So Mr. Roberts Anan said he was a police officer at Pram Pram.

[00:41:30]Now before even that you see in 206 there were two different cocaine cases that became big. Mhm.

[00:41:38]>> This one was the MV Benjamin one >> where the cocaine was taken by the people who own the cocaine.

[00:41:45]>> Mhm.

[00:41:46]>> Then there's one that happened May 21st, 206. That one the police or law enforcement were able to incept intercept the cocaine.

[00:41:56]>> Mhm.

[00:41:57]>> They got 67 slaps, 67 sacks or pot cutings.

[00:42:02]>> Mhm. And then along the line, one of the ples it was which was named number 40 of the 67.

[00:42:11]>> Yeah.

[00:42:12]>> Turn into conconte powder.

[00:42:15]>> So they took one. Somebody took one.

[00:42:17]>> So somebody took one. And so and if it's a cutting then it means it had 25 slabs or 25 kilos.

[00:42:24]>> And 25 kilos is crazy money. Mhm.

[00:42:27]>> In fact, with the 67 um with the 67 parcels, it is rumor it is estimated that the overall figure was about $150,000 $150 million for the 77 because it's 25 kilos in each each s >> 150 at the time.

[00:42:52]>> Jesus.

[00:42:54]>> No wonder. No wonder that like because people I'll be saying that oh media cocaine I can never carry it but the money I'm sure the money that they've been proposing for them carry it must be very useful for you to say you know what let me try >> this one I mean I'm going to say it a lot of has been built on the back of >> police the police people they will tell you >> wow >> arra oh forget >> by by the sniffers or the dealers. No, but how much is cooking? Like let's say you might want to sleep. It's like how much?

[00:43:30]>> Uh it's expensive because I think 1 kilo. Let me just Google it right now so that we are clear. I'm not going 1 kilo.

[00:43:39]>> And is made in Colombia.

[00:43:41]>> No, mainly >> mainly.

[00:43:43]>> Yeah. Because the the cocaine plant grows. It's a plant too.

[00:43:47]>> It's a plant that they harvest and then the the flour they get the powder from the flour.

[00:43:54]Yeah. And then right now the person who discovered it, what was the person looking for in the bush? Like what were you looking for in the bush cooking that you saw a powder you were like let me smell it and see. That's crazy. What were you looking for?

[00:44:12]>> There are even different now. There there's a crack version of cocaine where they add weed and other synthetics to the cocaine.

[00:44:20]>> Right. So apparently so 1 kilogram of cocaine is between $13,000 and $70,000.

[00:44:27]1 kilog 13 to7,000.

[00:44:30]>> Oh, so that means that the quality of the cocaine >> that one today because I remember so there seven there 67 slabs that I said got missing in May of 206. Apparently the quality was 98% pure.

[00:44:44]>> Then that that's crazy. That is proper colombian South American cocaine cuz pure 98%.

[00:44:54]>> Charlie.

[00:44:54]>> So now there are versions of um there are versions of >> you mentioning the prices for me to come and say something that one day in my life they'll use the video against me.

[00:45:03]Jesus God please any devil that is saying this in my mind I cast and bind it in the name of Jesus.

[00:45:09]>> Now >> Mr. Alan Mr. Norbert says that oh so when he and that's where my problem is he he was referring to the MV Benjamin >> he said that some fishermanmen at Pam Pram had come to gave him a tip they bought fish from there and one of them came to see him and gave him a tip of because apparently they were supposed to be paid 5,000 CDs $5,000 but this time they he got $2,000 and he was angry and so he gave him a tip off that some cocaine is coming blah blah blah but that doesn't make sense because they don't pay pay you before the work.

[00:45:44]>> They pay you after work.

[00:45:45]>> They pay you after the work.

[00:45:46]>> So, how is it that he got 2,000 before the work and was able to report it before?

[00:45:52]>> Now, Mr. Robert goes on to says that to say that >> they went to lay ambush >> at the Pram Pram beach or Pram Pram port or beach around two between 2 to 3:00 a.m. or so. And when they started moving to the they started moving the consignment to the van, two vans and some saloon car that was parked. They fired a warning shot and then the the two saloon cars they drove off.

[00:46:22]>> Where did they >> left with the van, one van >> and they arrested a driver >> and they were bribed $35,000.

[00:46:31]But still they arrested the driver and then arrested the cocaine consignment to and they even took some of the coin and then they reported the rest but when it got there it was turned into cocaine >> was turned into cocaine.

[00:46:47]>> Wait, hold on. Hold on. The man that was speaking >> Yes.

[00:46:50]>> He said that they bribed them $35,000 and they even took some of the cocaine >> and they still arrested the >> And he still arrested them and then they took some there. the two.

[00:46:59]>> So he kept Did he keep the 35,000?

[00:47:01]>> They killed they kept the 35.

[00:47:03]>> What happened to him?

[00:47:04]>> That's where I'm coming to.

[00:47:05]>> Okay. Come to >> because >> first of all that story cannot be true.

[00:47:12]And I'm going to explain why. You are not going to take 77 or 67 or 70 parcels of cocaine >> that has over 25 to 30 kilograms of cocaine.

[00:47:28]So, let's say is 30. 30 by 70 is what?

[00:47:32]21,000 or Yes. 2 2,100.

[00:47:37]Sorry.

[00:47:37]>> 2,100 kilogram of cocaine.

[00:47:40]>> Mhm.

[00:47:41]>> NFA.

[00:47:42]>> Mhm.

[00:47:42]>> And then you take bribe of 35,000 and still arrest them and take, bro, you not be alive.

[00:47:47]>> Yeah. That's what Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[00:47:49]>> You are not going to stay alive.

[00:47:51]>> Wait, first of all, was has he been arrested ever? No, it was after eventually he said during the story he said he was interdicted or whatever and then later the case was they found out nothing and some lawyer >> they found nothing >> even during the mean during the the interview they the person asked him about this thing you are saying you get in trouble so what I'm saying what I'm just saying a story blah blah blah I'm telling you it's not true so I do not believe story >> yeah because I feel like it's either the people would have killed him all have been arrested.

[00:48:25]>> It's not true. Now, he goes on to say that yeah, it was when he took some of them and then he got addicted like they try to they they sold what they the cocaine they took as part of this one they sent they sold it to drug dealers and blah blah blah and at some point he got he started also trying it and got addicted to it. So whatever money he got from the 35,000 he used it for kicking and blah blah blah and he went to rehab and now he I think he went to rehab at some spiritual police and now he's like >> a pastor.

[00:48:58]>> So that's I think that's where he was talking from.

[00:49:00]>> Oh so he's like he's is like those pastors that did bad things and now they seeing how they got >> salvation. I do not believe the story. I do not doubt that he was a police officer but I do not believe he was involved in this. Now, so here's two separate things. He said the pram prime beach, he worked at a pram prime police station.

[00:49:19]>> Mhm.

[00:49:19]>> But the MV Benjamin was not offloaded at Pr was offloaded at >> home >> and and the police officer Samuel worked at the Tema New Town police station.

[00:49:34]>> Mhm.

[00:49:34]>> So it could not be possible that he was involved in this. And the cocaine didn't turn into coe.

[00:49:39]>> And the cocaine didn't turn into co with the MV Benjamin issue >> is the May one. And even with the May one based on the story he said it is not possible that >> I think he he he read two or he >> he mixed it >> he mixed two stories together to make it his own. That is what I believe. M >> again just based on the story that he took 35,000. They took they said were they were four policemen.

[00:50:08]>> Mhm.

[00:50:08]>> They took 35,000 for again again the driver of the van does not is not going to have a driver of the van. The driver gave him 35.

[00:50:19]>> They arrested the driver of the van >> and the driver gave them 35 $35,000 for you. Are you there?

[00:50:26]>> I there because remember with as ducky sheriff who was who encountered that Samuel policeman the detective >> he gave him $5,000.

[00:50:36]>> He gave him $3,000 and even that they he took him to his house to give him that money.

[00:50:40]>> Yeah.

[00:50:41]>> They >> How do you have 35,000,000 on a shing dock >> at the shore of a beach >> and then and then the dollars is $100.

[00:50:49]So that means it's going to be a lot.

[00:50:50]>> Yes.

[00:50:50]>> Nah, >> bro. Nah.

[00:50:52]>> Nah, bro.

[00:50:53]>> Nah. to the guy lie Mr. Uh Robert, if you are still alive because I think was four years. If you are still alive, I'm calling you out.

[00:51:05]Come again. If either you missed the story out >> or you you were confused or you are just trying to make the story your own. I also for someone who was supposedly instrumental in this particular case. I googled his name. It does not connect to any of these cases. neither the Benjamin MV Benjamin case nor the May 21st case.

[00:51:30]>> All you see when you put in his name is this interviews that he's granted that bloggers have picked up and written a story about it.

[00:51:38]>> So I I do not I do not believe his story >> because his name should have been in at least the verified um document or conversations that led them his name should have been there at a point.

[00:51:50]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:51:52]So um >> but who found him to interview him?

[00:51:57]>> Chalie, people are looking for you know by you go link the the the reporter. Oh, I have some exclusive for you.

[00:52:05]>> It's just as how crime be like crime was pushed into some some interview that we said we were going to get some that we ended up with. I do not know. So you know then take pass in in neck then take in neck the reporter then take pass in neck >> and and and you see again when he started speaking because I I knew about the M the MV Benjamin you know when I started crime crime one of the cases I I read about was the Tagore case >> and I knew the MV Benjamin saga did not have any cocaine missing >> like I said the remaining 25 slabs or kilos.

[00:52:49]>> It was bent by at the order of the court. In fact, the courts moved the judge together with the police, law enforcement, and they all moved to go and watch it >> get burnt >> get burnt.

[00:53:00]>> Yeah.

[00:53:01]>> You know, so that's how I know Mr. >> At the end of the day, who sent intel that the MV Benjamin um vessel was?

[00:53:11]>> Yeah, it's it's not clear, but um it is They said that the NCO got um they got the information from other agencies. You know there are several you know we are thinking about our shores there are other people are also thinking about their shores and stuff and it's easy for some of these things to >> go around.

[00:53:33]>> Okay.

[00:53:34]>> Okay.

[00:53:34]>> It's easy for these things to go around.

[00:53:36]So in fact I think the MV MV Benjamin case is the most should I say layered or multifaceted cocaine saga in the country ever.

[00:53:50]>> There have been other cases where like >> some cocaine have turned into baking soda and all of that. I remember a case of one police woman, Teoda. Teoda was indicted for missing cocaine and eventually he was she was found not guilty. She dragged the police to court. She was reinstated. I'm long story. One day we'll talk about that.

[00:54:15]>> But it's it's not been the only story.

[00:54:17]The main issue has not been the only story. Cocaine has been turned into >> Yeah. something else. And politically this has been something that people have held on to the the Kufour administration or the NP administration that oh their time they were holding on to cocaine but >> this case was purely purely an an individual or some group of people were who were doing their thing and again the cocaine from MV Benjamin did not get missing >> as to where the 77 pesos of cocaine passed when Benjamin took it, we do not know.

[00:54:54]>> It did not come out.

[00:54:57]>> And so um he was in 2014 or so 2014 between that time. Now last 22 years will be 30 36.

[00:55:13]Yeah. 20 36.

[00:55:15]>> So that's when he'll be out.

[00:55:16]>> Yes. That is supposedly when he's supposed to be out.

[00:55:19]>> Oh, then he'll be out soon in 10 years.

[00:55:21]very close.

[00:55:24]So at this time he has moved since he has put things in place >> because they did not find it.

[00:55:30]>> They never found it.

[00:55:30]>> They never found it.

[00:55:32]>> They never found it. It probably >> I do not have there. The story of where he is is not clear.

[00:55:39]>> Normally um like when you >> there's a lot of criminals that they able to have interviews in jail and things. Yeah. I think people somebody should go have interviews with them and see where their mind is at.

[00:55:54]>> The only the only person who can do that is Mr. Ibrahim crime check.

[00:55:58]>> Um that man that had an interview with the lady that's that um stabbed her friend when they were fighting the man.

[00:56:05]>> Yeah. So you see when he started the story I was like did they throw the cocaine? Cuz he interviewed um a former police officer that >> he was accused of throwing cocaine.

[00:56:17]>> Yeah. I didn't finish watching it to the end, so I thought that was what we're going to talk about. Yeah, that's why I thought that's not him. That's the man you're talking about, right? Yeah, that man.

[00:56:26]>> Yeah, he should he should go.

[00:56:27]>> But I I don't you know, some of these things it goes to when you want to interview a prisoner, it it goes to the prisons board >> or the prison warden at the prisons who allow the interview. M >> um so maybe they they don't allow to you to speak to certain people or or the people themselves don't want to talk about it >> because as we all know Comian people like Comian or all all of these robbers that we've spoken about on they are still >> they are still in prison. I I really want to hear the stories of people.

[00:56:58]>> Me too. Me too. Me too. Like >> I really want to hear the stories of these people.

[00:57:01]>> How where their mind they sat right now?

[00:57:04]What is going on? If they have more things they would have said more motive like motive especially like >> as for cocaine the motive we know what the motive is.

[00:57:13]>> Oh it is street.

[00:57:15]>> Yeah we know what the motive >> it is street if you know you know I cry out. Those of you who go out you know.

[00:57:21]>> Wow that's crazy. I have to go and look into the plants.

[00:57:25]>> I never knew was a plant. Me I thought it was chemicals that people mix.

[00:57:28]>> No no no. It's not chemicals. there's a plant and then they mix it with other chemicals like they >> um >> like sodium something something I'm not going to give that information Google >> but yeah they mix with sodium something something and they add other things and stuff and then eventually >> they they had synthetic versions of it that's how come they they got crack cocaine >> crack cocaine is more potent than cocaine >> and then eventually there's the fentinel and all of these drugs Oh, I have bad news.

[00:58:01]>> Oh, >> some weeks ago, we told them that there was a missing guy.

[00:58:07]>> Oh, >> yeah. There was a missing guy.

[00:58:10]Theophilos.

[00:58:11]>> Yeah. Theopilos. It came out that >> the person that took him to go and sell the car burned him unfortunately. And it's such a story to me. He he he stole the guy cantra put him in a vit to burn him.

[00:58:25]>> The whole thing makes no sense.

[00:58:26]>> Yeah. Like I need to understand properly.

[00:58:28]>> I I was talking to someone about this and he was trying to like I'm trying to understand the motive.

[00:58:32]>> Yeah.

[00:58:33]>> Because Okay, fine. You wanted his Elantra >> Mhm.

[00:58:37]>> for the money. Let's say you sell it, you get money. Now you took someone's car, bent him in another car. That's what I'm saying. So there should be something.

[00:58:45]>> So what when you saying >> I wonder if they they knew each other already or >> there's there's >> there should be a story to Yeah, there's a thing that they they knew they knew they knew each other some way. But today's um today's conversation has been so hard and and and like it was you know he's giving drugs narcotics that we forgot that >> we have to tell these people to use kiss you know I can never forget to remind you to use kiss like >> as for this one as for this one >> if you put it on a ship and it comes to you and you pick it from the shore >> nothing will happen to you no one will come and arrest you >> you are safe >> no one will come arrest >> you are safe sexually mentally illness wise Child bed wise, children's wise, you are safe. So please make sex great again with a kiss >> condom and kiss lubricant. Strawberry scented. The whole room is smell nice with some nice sensual music. I can recommend songs to you. Um I I I read wide so I see these song recommendations. So I could recommend some songs to you. Yeah. So go.

[00:59:53]>> We'll do a playlist and put it there.

[00:59:54]>> Yeah, we will.

[00:59:56]We'll do a playlist and put it there.

[00:59:57]>> Why are you moving yourself?

[00:59:59]>> No, because >> it's us. We are in this together. Also, guys, I'm wearing um Taylor Marik today.

[01:00:05]So, don't play if you're trying.

[01:00:07]>> We are wearing We are wearing >> Yeah. Taylor Maring me.

[01:00:10]>> Yeah, I'm wearing Taylor Mar today. So, come and sue your outfit from us.

[01:00:19]>> Rich is gangster. So, you know.

[01:00:21]>> So, so, so, so, so. Yeah. Another exciting episode of Crimea Cry.

[01:00:27]>> Today we try to connect the MV Benjamin, the case, famous case of M Benjamin, the missing cocaine and the Tagore, the popular Tago. Again, Tag is still alive.

[01:00:39]He's doing well. Oh, few years ago, a friend of mine was working on a a project of his. He's >> I see.

[01:00:47]>> Oh, yeah. Big man.

[01:00:48]>> Never heard of him.

[01:00:49]>> Is a big man. Yeah.

[01:00:50]>> Oh, okay.

[01:00:51]>> Is a big man.

[01:00:52]>> Wow. Oh, >> I should go look. I don't I don't know him.

[01:00:55]>> And as a stand based on legal proceedings, he was never I mean he did not serve any sentence for >> he was because his sentence was overturned.

[01:01:07]>> So he's not a cocaine dealer.

[01:01:08]>> Yeah. But he he was never even supposed to be in the mix cuz it was not even his >> Yeah. Yeah. It was that conversation and again >> Yeah. and the conversation wasn't. So, do you think if they specifically said cocaine then that would have been >> Oh, yeah. I believe so. But even that you see the thing about these things is like when I watch trials from from from America especially I can say for instance you see that sometimes some of these rappers that they get >> who are drug to call for killing people and they play their >> their song on my mind >> they try to connect the lyrics to the action. Mhm.

[01:01:50]>> Now if I say right now if I say chalie I have 20 kilos of cocaine in my house.

[01:01:57]>> Mhm.

[01:01:59]>> That is not enough to put me through trial. You have to find the 20 bars of cocaine >> in the house >> in in my in my possession. Then you can connect it to what I said in any audio recording and say he said he had 20 bars of cocaine and for real we found 20 bars of cocaine in his possession. M.

[01:02:18]>> So even if they said cocaine or they said drugs, >> it was not enough for them to be dragged.

[01:02:24]>> That makes sense. You see, but but um that guy DV David, have you heard of him? Yeah. His his music and his music videos have all Tik Tok people actually decoded that music video before. But this killing people in plain we are seeing it for real.

[01:02:48]those guys the kind of murder the kind of the kind of crimes they commit is crazy.

[01:02:54]>> Um within from last month to this month there've been about five murder suicide cases that I have personally read about >> for people who are who don't know what murder suicide is is when someone kills a group of his family or people and kills himself.

[01:03:14]Um last 3 weeks a guy killed seven of his own children >> and and and one of So yes and his and his in-law his sister-in-law's child. And then there's another man just two um three days ago killed himself, killed his daughter and his wife. Then two weeks ago there was something like that. those guys like Sumalt and then even before the the the one with the man who killed seven children, there was a former politician from in America who killed his family because apparently there were some sexual charges that were coming to light and he didn't want to be a disgrace.

[01:04:08]>> Why am I in this?

[01:04:09]>> They always take people with them.

[01:04:10]>> 50 cents. Why you say [ __ ] me for? Like why am I >> They always take these people.

[01:04:17]>> It's crazy. Like and you see most of the time is schizophrenia on on um they don't there's people who are schizophrenic that they don't have drugs.

[01:04:28]>> That's why every time you remember there's this boy this boy that um somebody broke his heart in KN and then he killed himself and people kept insulting him and it was like Ghana, we don't take mental health seriously. Like it could be abandonment issues. It can be something.

[01:04:48]>> I I I use myself as as an example.

[01:04:50]>> I would never say I've never been suicidal.

[01:04:53]>> Mhm.

[01:04:54]>> I wouldn't even say I've been depressed.

[01:04:57]>> Mhm.

[01:04:58]>> Because again for depression is depression is not a state of feeling sadness.

[01:05:04]>> And I think sometimes people think >> Yeah.

[01:05:07]>> I'm depressed and you and it's it's just sadness. Yeah.

[01:05:10]>> Or maybe the moon will come.

[01:05:12]>> Yeah. Like I used to feel depressed, but since they started paying me for ads, I've never felt that feeling in a long time.

[01:05:18]>> It's not depressing. I was poor.

[01:05:21]>> It was poor.

[01:05:24]Like I wouldn't say I've I have had depression before, but I' have I've gone through a state of sadness. Mhm.

[01:05:34]>> And sometimes I've even been I'm still in situations that is very overwhelming to me.

[01:05:41]>> Yeah.

[01:05:42]>> I mean I talk to headless sometimes about my problems and he knows these things. But I think about these things and I try to relate to the person who this is too much for.

[01:05:53]>> Mhm.

[01:05:54]>> Recently someone killed himself I think in Kos or whatever. Apparently he was owing someone and then he went to take some loan and some to do some business and he was tell of the business and bro you you know you they come from poor background you they owe about 50,000 you know that there's no one >> or nowhere that you're going to get that money from and so it eats their mind up and eventually they feel like if I am gone no one is come to chase me for any money.

[01:06:23]>> Yeah.

[01:06:24]And I say this some I say this a lot of times and this is backed by research.

[01:06:29]There are a lot of people who have ended their lives that if they are ghosts could come back they probably are not have done it. The thing about suicide is >> and I'm not even joking when I say it's spiritual >> even if you apply science once it takes over your mind there's a thin line from when you think [ __ ] I cannot do this anymore till let me end your life end my life and that's why there are people who try to end their life and when it doesn't work out they come out and >> am I lucky >> am I lucky because in that moment that day are doing the thing They are not thinking about anything.

[01:07:10]>> They have they they feel like I have to leave. I have to go.

[01:07:13]>> So me >> ever since I got to understand mental health and some of these things >> I do not try. It's always easy for me.

[01:07:22]It's always easy for you to say, "Yes, is not an answer." And oh, I know what is in front of me. I cannot pay. Oh, you don't know what you're going to collect. Say you don't have a we don't give you.

[01:07:47]>> You don't know what I wish for you tomorrow. What I waste from you tomorrow is policeman chasing you.

[01:07:52]>> Apparently um um if even if bank will not give you maybe bills micro finance will give you finance and I'm like when you collect like interest if you collect money you have to start paying the following week you have to start paying. So it's like if I'm putting it in the business >> Yes.

[01:08:12]>> How can I get >> the interest hasn't the interest on next week? So I'm like within one week what can I do to get you back your >> that's like it's not practical in any way. So >> I promise you these things are not as easy as we make it seem like.

[01:08:31]>> Yeah you can't fault anybody. So when they were insulting that boy I was like chalu you don't know you don't know you say oh it's because of relationship it's not even maybe the love something. I think I think what in my adult life there are a lot of things that shift the way I absorb things >> like I know I go into things expecting that it could either go bad or wrong >> right and also generally me there are like I said I have had issues I'm still I still have issues >> my there are sometimes there I'll be there my my my boys who talk with me, they will tell you. I'll be there. I'll just shout outside 12 a.m.

[01:09:16]>> 12 a.m. 12 >> and then they look at me. They now understand. They know.

[01:09:21]>> I I just I just p in front of my my studio.

[01:09:24]>> Mhm.

[01:09:24]>> I'll just be pacing. I'll just be ping.

[01:09:26]I just >> There are people who go to the beach, they just go and shout.

[01:09:33]>> So, you really have to find you really have to find what will work for you, >> right? And unfortunately there are people who do not have any any release.

[01:09:43]>> They don't have anyone to talk to.

[01:09:45]>> Yeah.

[01:09:46]>> Before this interview, before this episode will air, >> you would see an you see a story.

[01:09:52]Headless had an interview with Funny Face just recently and the story will come out and I'm sure that when you listen to the interview with with Headless and Funny Face, you understand what I'm I'm saying better. But I'm saying that this Oh, look. It's crazy. So, if you know someone who's going through it, try and help them.

[01:10:25]>> Don't say that.

[01:10:28]Yes. It's is I know we know anything can change. Life can change unexpectedly.

[01:10:33]>> Yeah. But by the by the time the come the way life has drained >> yes and again you have to understand there are people me what I'm going through I have people who are able to actually oh this thing oh we go help you >> there are people who do not have that at all >> at all yes >> at all and me there are certain problems that I going if I go into right now I'm not saying I'll kill myself but I've in fact I said I haven't been um suicidal before but there have In days I felt that I wish I could vanish >> like vanish for like one month.

[01:11:10]>> Mhm.

[01:11:11]>> If you fine then when you wake up whatever problem that is waiting for you would have died or whatever.

[01:11:17]>> Yeah.

[01:11:18]>> It's real. A lot of people experience this thing that they wake up and they don't want to leave.

[01:11:22]>> Yeah. And unfortunately for a lot of people and for people like us, we do not have the lux of saying like rich people or yo [ __ ] this [ __ ] I can't do this and then they will stay home and be >> fed >> because me the person I say this all the time I say this as a joke some families when you go and sell them as to me or this is what has happened to me. Let's pray here.

[01:11:55]That is all they can help you with.

[01:11:59]>> Anyway, >> so again that is the case of the Benjamin MV Benjamin 2 the story connecting Tago Mard.

[01:12:13]>> I do.

[01:12:14]>> I feel like we have a very very ADHD kind of podcast. I do >> cuz we start with some topics like five topics inside the conversation.

[01:12:24]>> I've not been diagnosed with it but I I you know I have this issue where you know I can sometimes people say ah there are always mistakes in your tweet and I say bro I read over it thousand times >> because me too my mind is fast read it is >> when I posted it it's when I when I don't have time to delete.

[01:12:56]I am writing if I'm writing cat and I I write c Sorry.

[01:13:21]Five times block.

[01:13:26]Get out OF MY FACE. LIKE MAYBE TALK TO ME AGAIN IN YOUR LIFE. ANYWAY, we have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We'll be back next week. We'll be back next week.

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