Cardinal Sarah Rebukes Francis, Warns Leo & Cancels Traditionis Custodes | David L. Gray

[00:00:00]Wow, that was epic. So, Danny Montana just posted an interview on her Substack that we got to talk about today. So, it was a long wide ranging conversation with Robert Cardinal Sarra, the former prefect for the congregation for divine worship and really one of the most respected voices in the Catholic Church on the subject of sacred liturgy. and a person who I consider to be um just a genius theologian, someone who I respect very much. And he's also a man who's not really given to loose talk. And so in this interview, the cardinal does three things that we have to talk about that I'm going to walk you through so you can really understand. I'm going to unpack, as they say, some of the things that if you don't pay attention to, they kind of sort of slip past you. But these were game changers. So, let's get into this.

[00:01:00][music] This is David O. Great. Let's start with the patcham mama. Patch your mama on the back because the cardinal's words here they just when I really said it, I was like, whoa, what what just happened? So, you remember the scene back in 2019, the Amazon Senate? So, there was a carved wooden image of a naked pregnant woman, the so-called patchamama, an infertility idol carried in procession into the Vatican, placed in the Roman church and present throughout the Senate. At the time, the defenders of the Francis Pontificate spent an enormous amount of energy telling us that what we saw wasn't actually u what we saw.

[00:02:07]Don't believe your lying eyes is what they told us. They just said it's just a symbol of life. They said it's our lady.

[00:02:15]It's just an indigenous cultural expression.

[00:02:18]Don't trust your own eyes. That's what they told us.

[00:02:23]But here is what Cardinal Sarra says. Uh he was there. He's a genius. One of the smartest and most respected people in the church. And I'm reading his own words. He asked, "Doesn't Latin America have a Madonna venerated in every country of Latin America?"

[00:02:46]The Guad Lupe.

[00:02:49]Why did they not bring Guad Lupe to preside over the Senate on the Amazon?

[00:02:56]Instead, they brought an Incan idol. And this idol entered the Basilica of St. Peter. And then we carried it in procession from the Basilica to the Paul sixhole and it remained in front of us the whole time during the Senate. the patcha mama remained there like that through the whole senate and and then he does something that no apologist for Francis ever did. He contrasted with the actual missionary faith of his homeland. He says that when missionaries arrived in Africa, they told the new Christians, "Cast out those idols, burn them."

[00:03:45]And then this someone from my country akata Cuban was killed by his relatives because he wanted to abandon the idols.

[00:03:57]His family told him, "No, you mustn't abandon them." But he said, "I am a Christian."

[00:04:06]And they killed him.

[00:04:09]And now we bring the patcham mama into the basilica.

[00:04:15]You just got to sit with that for a moment because a man died. A man was martyed by his own family for refusing to keep the idol of their tradition.

[00:04:30]And within living memory of that witness, an idol is carried into procession throughout the mother church of Christendom.

[00:04:44]Hold on to that.

[00:04:46]Now watch how the cardinal connects it to something bigger.

[00:04:51]He ties the patchamama to a second moment. Pope Francis in Singapore saying that all religions are like different paths, different languages, all leading to God.

[00:05:12]And Sarah asked the devastating question, then what is the point of the incarnation?

[00:05:21]What is the point of Christ's love?

[00:05:24]If all religions can lead to God, then Christ is lying when he says, "No one goes to the father except through me. I am the door."

[00:05:43]And then he lands it. That is sheer paganism has entered the church. Robert Cardinal Sarra is not some sort of toxic tread vlogger. He's not some sort of dad with a webcam.

[00:06:02]He's not trying to get you angry so he can get up his clicks and views and generate a few bucks. He doesn't have a Patreon. He doesn't have a a locals. He he doesn't want anything from you. Yet here he is just speaking the truth.

[00:06:18]This is a a prince of the church who is in the room telling you the thing that apologist for Francis spent years telling you not to believe.

[00:06:29]They said it was it was they said it was less than what we feared.

[00:06:34]But Cardinal Saras saying that it was exactly what we feared. And he named this root a creeping indifferentism that empties the cross of its meaning.

[00:06:48]So hold on to that because you need this. Take this with you as we segue into this next thing here, right?

[00:06:59]because this this wound is even more fresh [snorts] than the Patcha Bama moment, but there it's all connected.

[00:07:09]So, a few months ago, I did a video about this about the the final reports of the so-called study group nine of the Senate on cidality.

[00:07:21]So, let me give you the facts again and everything I'm about to say is documented, of course. So study group nine of the sen cidali was one of the 10 study groups that pope Francis established in 2024 coming out of this on sen cidality. So it's assigned topic was in the original mandate it was called they were supposed to study controversial doctrinal pastoral and ethical issues.

[00:07:54]That was the mandate. Study controversial doctrinal, pastoral and ethical issues.

[00:08:03]But the group took that mandate and they quietly renamed it emerging issues, not controversial.

[00:08:13]This lang language matters all the time from controversial to emerging. Okay, hold that because that relabeling tells you everything.

[00:08:27]When you take the settled teaching for 2,000 years and file it under emerging, you have already decided which way you're going to go in this subject.

[00:08:38]So on May 5th, they released their report. It featured anonymous testimonies from two men in samesex civil unions. Again, presented very warmly.

[00:08:54]No doctrinal clarity or commentary.

[00:08:58]is stated and this is a direct quote from the document that sin at its root does not consist in the same sex couple relationship.

[00:09:15]The document also attacked um Courage International, which is an apostlate that's in perfectly good standing with the church um with faithful ministers who actually do minister to same-sex attracted Catholics and rebuked them so harshly that courage publicly denounced it as slander and defamation.

[00:09:41]Imagine that. And remember when the report came out the when I did my talk on it, I labeled the document as not safe for children. It wasn't. It's not I think any document of the church should be safe for children to read. Any document of church you should be able put on your coffee table and have no problem. Your child wants to pick up and try to read it.

[00:10:05]This document was not safe for children.

[00:10:08]It was pornography.

[00:10:10]It was from my knowledge the first time that the current Catholic Church issued a pornographic document.

[00:10:20]Okay. Um and then it came out later that the anonymous witnesses were connected to the Jesuit James Martin who um and one of them had actually received a blessing from Martin. um one day after Fiducia supplicants.

[00:10:43]So here is a part that confirms the cardinal's instinct.

[00:10:48]The general secretariat of the Senate itself when the report came out he distanced himself from the document.

[00:10:55]Imagine that.

[00:10:57]The person in charge of all documents said that he faded into the bushes like he was Homer Simpson.

[00:11:08]Oh, okay.

[00:11:10][music] And he told the press, um, the report cannot be attributed to the general secretariat. And he's basically, I had nothing to do with this, even though I'm in charge of everything that comes out.

[00:11:25]I I'm not in charge. I had nothing to do with this. But let you know that there's some minations going on still in the church. So, one of the seven members listed in group nine, sister um Jose Nagua, I'm probably mispronouncing that said she gave no input to the section on homosexuality. All so this is study group nine and the report that they issued came out without any approval from the general secretariat and without any consensus from all the members. What are we talking about?

[00:12:06]So here what um Cardinal Sarra says about it because he is precise. He says that this document must be examined by the Holy Father before it is sent out because there should not be a western group with a specifically western tendency seeking to impose itself on the whole church as it [clears throat] happened with Fiducia Subin. That's that was a lot. If you pay if you heard what was just said by the cardo, he just said a lot. They basically called western Tennessee gay.

[00:12:50]And he said there's some people with this tendency, this gay tendency just releasing documents that have nothing whatsoever to do with the church. Okay?

[00:12:59]and that the pope publicly, you need to do your job. Now, you're you're the pope. Nothing should be going out without your approval. And you don't have to sign it, but you need to know what's coming out of your church. He's done public. Do your job.

[00:13:16]You need to do your job. You may not know it. There wasn't a whole lot of on the job training, okay, for the obvious reasons. But you need to get up to speed fast, okay? Because they're about to run over you. You've been pulled for a day and they're already slipping stuff past your secretary um and you. And this is crazy. That's what he's saying.

[00:13:43]All right. So, you need to catch that.

[00:13:45]There's a lot going on here. Um and he names the pattern as well. He says, "Do not repeat what happened with Fiducia supplicants."

[00:13:58]Okay. And then he asks the question that pins the whole thing. He says, "I do not know who makes up this study group number nine.

[00:14:11]Who these experts are?

[00:14:13]What nation they are from? what culture they're from.

[00:14:19]And what he's doing here, and he's saying in just the politest possible curial language, he's speaking as a prince of the church.

[00:14:34]Um, in in a way that doesn't really do what St. Nicholas did, like just go around and punch somebody in the face, right? He just he said, "I'm not going to go there yet. Let me just say it this way.

[00:14:48]And um but essentially he's saying is you know in this very polite language who authorized this and by what right does it go out to the whole church? Now, if it were me, all right, there are times in my life where I find it very necessary to use language that everybody understands that it just got real, right? Sometimes they use language that sets a tone that so that everybody can understand it just got real. Okay?

[00:15:28]So, if this were me, I would have said it differently, right?

[00:15:33]I'm not a prince of the church, obviously, but um I would have said like, who put this BS out?

[00:15:41][laughter] Like, who who put this BS out?

[00:15:47]And who told you you could do it, right?

[00:15:50]>> [snorts] >> Um, so but that right there is really the fingerprint of what we've have been we've come to know as the lavender mafia.

[00:16:00]>> It's beautiful here. Everything smells like lavender.

[00:16:02]>> It's not a formal magisterial act, not a paper teaching anyone will sign. Rather, it is a document smuggled out under um an institutional cover designed to move the practice of the church before anyone can pin a doctrinal claim or name and make them defend it.

[00:16:25]And we're going to hold on to that because that's that's really the trigger point I'm going to tie into this next thing with traditional custodians. Um but this is what they do. This is the hallmark of the lavender mafia. Create a climate where sin is no longer felt to be sin. All right? So this is the whole pontificate of Francis normalizing sodomy. Okay?

[00:16:53]And you you just kind of let the climate do the work. Okay? So this is why you see the report I issued a few weeks ago about um a overwhelming majority of Jesuit churches in the United States all have just an outreach to the Skittles.

[00:17:13]Not just an outreach, they're incorporating them into parish life without any call to repentance.

[00:17:21]Oh, you could be Skittle over here. All right. You can have your rainbows, your, you know, your meetings, you know, your masses, and everything's normal here.

[00:17:33]They're creating a safe space for the Skittles. Okay? Um because that's the only sin. That's not a sin anymore, right? Um no change in doctrine, no change in dogma, but the practice, right? the change of the climate. Let the climate do the work that no honest argument ever could. And so notice how Sarah ends it because this is your challenge to the new pontificate stated in his own voice. He says, "I think the Holy Father is very prudent and will not allow the diseination of a text that he has not approved after careful study." So he's he's looking at Pope Leo the 14th now and say, "Buh bruh, watch your back.

[00:18:31]They're coming for you." They came for Benedict. They ran a muck during the last papacy, did whatever they wanted to, and they think they can still do it.

[00:18:42]Okay, they're treating Leo the 14th like he's some sort of substitute teacher coming into a classroom and they're just going to run over him. Okay? and they've been doing it.

[00:18:53]You've seen the appointments.

[00:18:57]Um you you see you see what's going on.

[00:19:00]All right. Um nothing's um there's some machinery in the church. I don't I don't want you to worry about at all. I don't want you to worry about this. Not something you worry about. I'm just letting you know because your baptismal call hasn't changed. You're still called to be holy. You're still called to trust Jesus with his church. Nothing's nothing's changed. None of this really affects you, but it's things you should know about, things you need to see when um [clears throat] believe your eyes, okay? And um and watch how certain things move and how you know the climate starts. It wants to accept things that we know are contrary to the truth. Okay, this is the pattern. This how it operates. So, but this is a car note publicly setting the bar for Pope Leo.

[00:19:58]He's speaking to him like Paul spoke to Peter. Okay. Um and he's saying in front of the whole church, a serious pope, a serious pope um needs to read what goes out under his name.

[00:20:18]And you shouldn't be trusting this with anyone like anything that goes out of the church um is really essentially even though it may come out under the cashy under a committee it's under a papacy that it comes out.

[00:20:33]So everything in a way has Leo's name on it. Even if it's not officially it still has his name because he's a pope. He's the vicor of Christ. He's the one who is the head of the church. So, um, that and that's what he's saying. Nothing should be going out of here. Not even a paycheck [laughter] until you see it, man. That's how that's how leaders function. All right? And you don't need to be trusting these people who are out to destroy the church. So, it's an expression of these people who work for Satan. So, it's an expression of confidence that doubles down as an expectation is what I would say.

[00:21:16]So, um, get a handle on what leaves the building, holy father, because the machinery that produced study group 9 is still running.

[00:21:27]Which brings us to the main event. Hit the bells.

[00:21:32]This is the main event. This is what you've been waiting for. Let's get it in. All right. So I want to talk to you about tradition custod custodes guardians of tradition cuz Robert Saras says some things here that you need to hear. So Dynamont asked him directly, should it be abregated? And we'll talk about the term in a minute. Abregated, right? Because there's different things you could do to disciplinary teachings, especially where it concerns liturgy.

[00:22:02]Abrogate is just one of them.

[00:22:06]And listen carefully because there is a whole theology folded inside his answer that most people are not going to be aware of. He says even if there is no document that would abregate tradition custodies, it would still disappear gradually day after day, year after year. I'm not really in favor of one pope saying one thing and another canceling it. The church is a continuity.

[00:22:46]What cancels is not a valid text? Because the church is a continuity especially if there are no problems of doctrine of morals. Why cancel it? And the conclusion, Pope Leo does not need to write a text saying it is obregated.

[00:23:08]Let him leave it and say continue and this text will disappear little by little.

[00:23:18]All right. So what is he describing here if you never heard of this? So a principle is it's a principle that canon lawyers calls death with tooth. desit to and I know that there's somebody in the comment box now just ready to write David you're not a canon lawyer you know [clears throat] when I was doing when I was explaining how that um priest from the um papal posi was just completely wrong father Gerard is name um Gerald something was just completely wrong on the whole SSPX issue. You know, you had a toxic TR and SPX people there. My comment B, you're not a canon lawyer. You're not canon lawyer, right? And I know somebody from I don't know probably from the toxic left. this person, David, David, you know, like both sides always like say, David, you don't have the right degree to speak, you're getting your doctorate in in liturgy, canon law, you don't have a JC.

[00:24:43]Canon law is really not that hard. I I don't think law is that hard, honestly.

[00:24:48]But yeah, there's two forms of law, you know, ecclesiastical law, canon law, and positive civil law, right? Where you need a license to practice it, right?

[00:25:02]Sometimes, right? Not everywhere. I think you can be a judge in a lot of countries, in a lot of um municipalities in America even where you don't need to be a lawyer to be a judge. Why? Because it's not that hard. But you do need a license just to litigate the practice to stand before a judge. I think that makes sense, right? Just as you need a some sort of medical degrees to work on somebody's brain. Okay? I'm not against licensing. I'm not at all. Okay? But that doesn't preclude someone with a functioning brain from being able to read the black letters on white paper.

[00:25:39]It's not that hard. And also because my specialty is lurggical theology and within the lurggical theology we have the law we have the lex the law of prayer the law of belief and the law of living the faith the lexande led lex vende so those laws always intersect with ecclesiastical laws the divine law the reveal law um natural law so all law interacts with one another because what's good and true in the law is from the goodness of God. So don't don't don't be my comment. David David can a lawyer. Shut up. All right. Um so anyway, I digress. So but can lawyers they they will call this idea that the cardinal is describing as desitude.

[00:26:38]So it is a falling out of the use of law in a way sunsetting it is another word we might be able to use. So and so that the law it loses its binding force over time. It is a law but loses its binding force over time. Not because it has been repealed by anyone but because it stops being observed. it starts being enforced and a um oftent times not all the time but oftent times a contrary practice quietly takes it place now I say not all the times remember I told you guys um in that video I did about the SSPX fooling around and finding out I was talking to you about how in um Germany here [clears throat] and some other places in Europe that they still observe the law issued from the church from the pope that every Catholic church has to have a rooster on top and that's how here in Germany you know that's a Catholic church not some something else because there's a rooster on top that was a can of law I mean there's a law of the church it was a discipline lurggical discipline anyway at least when it cames to the edifes of the church that they should have a rooster on top for historical reasons that discipline [clears throat] never made it very far north especially England and Scotland and so when those people come to United States you know people like Calvert and people like this they don't bring the rooster with them so in America you don't see it there you don't see it in other places in the world but this is so Germany and some other places are only places still practicing this discipline so so it this is desolitude so it fell out of and practice. And so because it's it stopped being observed at least in most of the world, it stops being enforced without even a contrary practice taking its place. Okay. So the canon law you want to read is canon law 26. So it speaks about this that a custom contrary to the law legitimately legitimately observed over time can obtain the force of law. So you have a law in place and then there's a contrary law that if that contrary law is worked long enough this one sort of fizzles out disappears or sort of sund that's desolitude. Okay you follow you got that. The reason is because law lives in observance of the community not just in ink on a page. So here in Germany the rooster on top of the church is still observed is still law. Other places in the world thisude a contrary law has taken its place which basically says we don't have roosters on top of the church.

[00:30:01]um a law that everyone ignores or at least in a community ignores it.

[00:30:09]Um whose non-inforcement the lawgiver tolerates can die without anyone ever formally killing it. Okay? And I'll give you another example in a moment here.

[00:30:23]But for now, let's talk about Cardinal Robert Serra because what he's proposing is not anything exotic.

[00:30:33]He's he's basically saying, "Leave tradition custodians on the books. Let the pope signal openness. Let the bishops grant the permissions all right to um a broader diversity of liturgy a more openness expression to the traditional land mass in a way signal that um what is it sonor pontificum of pope Benedict the 16th that's the new normal again a very liberal um openness to the practice of the traditional at mass Um and so let that generous practice accumulate.

[00:31:13]And he's saying that year after year tradition custodes becomes a dead letter until one day it's a text that everyone knows is technically enforced and no one obeys it though, right? So it doesn't get cancelled. It essentially disappears. So the path grows over, right? Think about it in a wooded trail, right? If no one's using that path, what happens to it?

[00:31:46]Well, grass accumulates, we accumulates, and over some time, that wellworn path, no one can see it anymore. Nobody can say, "Oh, there used to be a path there."

[00:32:00]because people started using this this path over here and so we forgot there was something right there. This is this is right at the comment. You understand, right? It's not just that's what two is not a hard concept.

[00:32:12]You don't have to be a can of lord to understand it. Now, now this I want you to lean in a little bit here, right?

[00:32:21]Because um this is the part almost no one really um explains correctly. So desitude is different. It is not the same as development of doctrine. But I need to explain this, okay?

[00:32:38]They're not even these two things, desertitude and development of doctrine, are not even the same animal. But I need to explain this to, you know, push back against any comments that people would make, and they're still going to make them because people don't watch the whole video. Even though I have like multiple timestamps, people still don't watch the video, but want to comment on it, which I think is is the most first disrespectful and second just low IQ behavior there is in this digital age but anyway but let me try nonetheless so desolitude and development doctrine are there there's two different questions that's hiding here the first question is um what is changing what is changing doctrine.

[00:33:37]The truth the church must hold about faith and morals or is what's changing is discipline the changeable rules by which she governs practice in a given age.

[00:33:59]The second question is how does it change?

[00:34:04]Okay. Um by a formal act of the magisterium spoken out loud and on record or quietly by non- enforcement until it fades. Okay. So what I've built for you here is basically a grid a box with four quadrants. Okay. So what's changing doctrine or discipline?

[00:34:30]How's it changed? Through the church speaking loudly and clearly [clears throat] on it or by that path in the wood just fading away over time.

[00:34:40]Okay, this is the grid, four corner grid. So So put those two questions together in your grid with four boxes. And here's the key.

[00:34:53]Dartrin develops loudly, formally in continuity.

[00:35:00]Discipline can quietly fade by desolitude.

[00:35:04]So these are two different gears and confusing them is the cause of nearly every bad argument I hear today, [clears throat] both from the Catholic left and from the Catholic right. [clears throat] So, let me show you with some real documents. So, if you come over to St. Domic Media, and I always encourage you to come over to St. Domix Media, we have an incredible encyclopedia there. It's called the Encyclopedia of Catholic Liturgies.

[00:35:39]And so, let me show you some documents there that's in our encyclopedia.

[00:35:43]So, and I told you I was going to talk to you about the term abrogated, but let me show you some other things about how disciplines especially in liturgy are defined. So, a law can be superseded like we see here with quote primum pest the 5th 1570 bull overtaken by later lurggical law.

[00:36:12]Here we see that a document can remain in force like sacro sanctum conillium still binding today.

[00:36:23]A document can be modified like lurggium authenticum ultra by magnum principum in 2017 and a document can be obregated outright like sonorum pontificum cancelled by tradition custodes in 2021 and so he thinks this whole thing is rather political so [clears throat] he doesn't want that same thing he doesn't want Leo to come in and just write another sonorum pontificum. So all four of those superseded, enforced, modified, aggregated are disciplines.

[00:37:04]That's the changeable realm [clears throat] where a pope can bind and loose where desolitude can work where Cardinal Sarah's whole proposal lives. And a cardinal tells you that's where we are saying especially if there are no problems of doctrine of morals. Why cancel it? No doctrine at stake. That's the reason why despitude is even on the table. So let's talk about next why doctrine moves sharply and discipline fades slowly. The reason is because when the church develops doctrine, she does not let it fade in silence. She stands up and loudly declares it. So when she saw, for example, when uh with full clarity, I would say that child slavery is incompatible with human dignity. She does not let the old permissions for slavery quietly lapse.

[00:38:11]Popes wrote it down. You had Gregory the 16th. You had um Leo the 13th. When a church saw again that torture is an offense against the image of God, she didn't let her document which [laughter] endorsed torture, human torture. And the reason why this document which the church says you can torture people as long as they don't die. which is a weird thing to say because who can control Have you ever been to a torture museum?

[00:38:43]I've been to many torture museums here in Europe. Um I I I'm kind of fascinated by them honestly. But if you ever seen these torture devices, there's no way you can control who can how people will respond to torture. All right.

[00:38:58]So when the church says in the document um add X tier panda um that oh you can torture people that was really this church's first official way of saying that you can kill people of her really saying that state sanctioned homicide death penalty was cool.

[00:39:18]Um and and so uh when and when the church realized um after World War II that torture is insane.

[00:39:28]Um she didn't let that just some sort of way gather dust. No. Um um the church published a second Vatican account which said you don't you don't torture people.

[00:39:42]You don't torture humans. Jesus Christ was tortured. What what are we doing here? What are we doing? And so the catechism also named it. Or think about when um the church, thank God by the Holy Spirit, reckoned with the horrors of the Roman ghettos. When the church taught as a matter of doctrine, faith and morals that Jews are dogs, that you have to put them in ghettos, that they can't lead to ghettos, that they got to wear certain clothes, they can't they can't have certain jobs. [snorts] in a document um come neman's absurdum.

[00:40:18]Um when the church realized that this what what are we doing? [laughter] Thank God the Holy Spirit has not abandoned us because oh my gosh but when the church came to this understanding she didn't let that she didn't let that teaching just fade and and um and bear silence.

[00:40:37]No. Uh again, second Vatican Council issued no stratate.

[00:40:42]Um and and there was church way stating up and repudiating the whole posture of what we did to the Jews on record.

[00:40:51]And again, here is an instance where desperate to in a way could have worked if it were a discipline. It wasn't a discipline.

[00:41:02]Um because but it would have kind of worked in that way because when the walls of the Jewish ghetto in Rome were tore down, I think it was under pest the 9th. Um maybe later pope, don't quote me there, but they didn't rebuild the Jewish walls.

[00:41:22]Um they just let them lay crumbled and the Jews left. they were no longer treated like dogs you know gradually over time. They after a while they started holding you know different jobs and banks and stuff and um but the teaching that Jews are dogs remained on the books until Vatican 2. But it up until that time they kind of it was the trail that started to get covered with grass. the Jewish the Jewish ghetto went away. No one kind of said much. Okay. But do you see the pattern?

[00:42:07]Doctrine develops sharply formally and in the open because it's a matter of truth in the church.

[00:42:15]Um the Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit guides us to towards all truth over time.

[00:42:25]And so because of the church, the church owes her children the truth spoken plainly and with clarity. So the moral turn is loud when she does that. It's loud precisely because souls hang on it.

[00:42:41]Okay? And so this is why you see popes since Vatican 2 since we got rid of torture is normal and since splendor um veritatas um splendor comes along and says loudly that the ends never justify the means. So these two things torture is crazy. The ends do not justify the means which church saying okay we don't kill people right death penalty is crazy and this was the pope's way just saying this loudly to us and saying Jesus was given a death penalty and he spit on it and he gave his life through it. Why would we kill people? Why would we kill the Iago day? And and so popes keep saying this, right? Even to the point of, you know, you heard um both Francis and and Leo essentially say that it's just it's it's just it's intrinsically evil, right? Um definitely contrary to the gospel, which is um a very strong way of saying that if something is contrary to the gospel, there's there's no way back from that one, right? So they're saying this very loudly and that's how doctrine works.

[00:43:55]But discipline is changeable. It's a changeable clothing of the church's life.

[00:44:02][clears throat] So um but not not the living body underneath. Okay? So I can change my shirt. It doesn't change who I am.

[00:44:14]It's change how I'm presenting myself.

[00:44:17]So it's just this is the discipline.

[00:44:19]This my uniform. This is what I'm wearing now. tomorrow we're something else. Right? So clothing can be changed gently, quietly without spectacle.

[00:44:32]Um no eternal truth depends on which discipline governs the old mass. That's exactly why disciplines like traditional custodes can fade away with desolitude over years with no cancelling of documents. So we don't have to do with traditional custodes that Francis did with Sonorm Pacifica.

[00:44:55]That's Cardinal Sarra's argument.

[00:44:58][clears throat] And he's saying in that way the church loses nothing essential like our belief in our continuity.

[00:45:08]And here is the sharp point that ties the whole um program together that everything that I'm saying everything I'm building here okay with patchcha mama with group nine the great danger with every age from the left and from the right is confusing these these two gears of what happens with doctrine and what happens with discipline.

[00:45:34]And I want you to picture that grid that we laid out again. What's being changed?

[00:45:39]How is it being changed? Because each side commits the opposite error. And so once you see it, and you can't unsee it.

[00:45:48]I'm about to lay it out to you because you're going to see it every time once I explain it to you. So when progressives um the toxic left when they try to move doctrine into the wrong box, they take the teachings for example on sexuality, on ordination, on communion for divorce and sibly married for lay people given homalies during the mass.

[00:46:16]and they tried to change it a doctrine without declaring it which they could never defend but they do it by practice. This is how they operate. Um they do it by pastorial accompaniment.

[00:46:36][clears throat] They do it by local experiments of lay people preaching homlies. They do it by blessings. That choirly becomes something more than blessings. Right? So we saw what happened recently. We know what James Martin and Jesuits been doing blessings and other Jesuits. We know what happened in England with Cardinal Radcliffe, the Dominican and some other bishops blessing um um sodomite couple there.

[00:47:08]Um, so that's [clears throat] going to be the problem with fidelucia supplicants and why it may not hit desertude because you're always going to have evil demonic people blessing what cannot be blessed.

[00:47:25]Okay, so it's going to be problematic with that discipline suns setting. Okay. But this how it happens you know by you know the the practice not changing the doctrine. This what I always tell people about Francis the worst pope in 2 years. He didn't come to change the doctrine. He was a progressive.

[00:47:49]And this is the way progressives work.

[00:47:51]They change the practice.

[00:47:55]They do the sneaky things. They try to make what is abnormal normal by just putting it in our face and trying to say what you see don't even think about it just accept it this is the new normal right because that's what you see again with study group nine you know the reports for supplicans so they they they keep doing it until the practice has changed what people believe about the TV show Glee Think about what they did with the whole Skittle movement. Remember um they started they kept putting Skittles on TV and they were funny, they were happy, they were cheery, they knew how to dress, right?

[00:48:39]The Skittles are so funny. Let's be their friends.

[00:48:44]And then they just so they kept that was their way Hollywood just making it normal. The APA changed his definition of that type of behavior. Oh, it's just normal. It's just a different way to live. You know, it's love. You know, they they rocked us to sleep and they said, "Oh, let's just let them get married in civil union. So, that's enough. Oh, it's really not enough.

[00:49:04]Let's let let's change the definition of marriage. Let's change the definition of family." And so, this this is this is how they operate, right? They they just they they work strategically through practice to make things normal without anyone ever making a dietal claim that they have to stand up and defend in the light.

[00:49:29]Um so that's is doctrine altered by drift.

[00:49:38]You hear me talk a lot about grievance theology. So this would be grievance theologies endgame changing what the church believes through the quiet mechanisms that only belong to discipline. So the progressive left the toxic left does with doctrine what is supposed to happen with discipline.

[00:50:01]And that's precisely the pattern Robert Cardinal Sarra just condemned when he said, "Do not repeat what happened with Fiducia supplicants."

[00:50:13]Now on the flip side, you had the toxic treads running a mirror image game.

[00:50:18]Remember, progressives take doctrine and treat it like it's a discipline. The slow drift, flip the quadrant.

[00:50:27]So the toxic track takes a legitimate discipline development. For example, what they call the new mass, what Benedict the 16th called the ordinary form. What other people call the mass of Paul the 6. Other people called Norvis or so so lurggical discipline.

[00:50:48]So they take legitimate disciplinary development.

[00:50:55]the mass part of six, um the revised calendar, um the permissions granted and withdrawn, and they treat it as though it were doctrinal corruption when it was just it wasn't doctrine. It was a discipline.

[00:51:12]And so, and they treat it as though the deposited faith were itself assaulted every time some sort of rubric moves.

[00:51:21]And then [clears throat and cough] they resisted. They they dig in against it, recognize, resist. They break communion over it as though the body of Christ were under attack when it was only ever the clothing being changed.

[00:51:39]That error followed to his endgame is as we saw the road to neolism.

[00:51:48]You know, I spent weeks on this channel dismantling.

[00:51:52]I hope you see it.

[00:51:55]Okay. How they operate in these quadrants and how they distort it. Okay.

[00:52:01]And as I said, this is the basis of every insane argument that I'm hearing from people today. They don't know the difference between doctrine and discipline. They don't know the what it is and they don't know how it's changing. They don't know the what or the why.

[00:52:20]So, but I hope you see it.

[00:52:23]the progressives um they they they they drag doctrine into the box where discipline is allowed to move quietly gradually deni deniable.

[00:52:37]Um the trad drags discipline into the box where doctrine lives treating a changeable rule as some sort of untouchable truth. So both errors are the same error wearing basically opposite jerseys and both confuse the changeable clothing with the unchangeable body.

[00:53:02]And here is what I want you to see about um Robert Cardinal Sarra.

[00:53:08]You know, whatever you think about him, I mean, like I said, he's a genius. Say what you want to about this proposal, but he understands the distinction, right? because he wants traditions, custodianities, and discipline to fade away by destitude, which is a proper tool for discipline.

[00:53:25]And in the same breath, he refuses to lay a finger on doctrines of morals, warning that the pope, you need to guard the doctrine of the faith.

[00:53:35]Um, and guarded the um against the minations of the Lavender Mafia that you saw with study group 9 issuing that report without anyone's permission, just giving it to the whole world as if though it came from your office.

[00:53:50]So, he runs both gears. He's a very smart man. He he runs both gears at correctly because discipline [clears throat] again it it um he's saying let it soften and fade doctrine guarded declare it. So that's a very smart man who knows which is which and he's he understands how the church works in time.

[00:54:16]But let's get to why this matters and again how long this will actually take and why I'm I'm slightly against what the cardinal is saying. So it matters because a cardinal of Sarra stature he is publicly sketching a path where Pope Leo never has to write a single combative sentence against his predecessor as Francis did. So there's no arrogating the text, no um Francis got it wrong, no spectacle of one pope taking the eraser to another, just a quiet fatherly widening of permissions without a document um until the restriction withers on the vine. So kind of like France what Leo had tried to do with fiducia supplicants um a few months ago when he said that the mass already has a blessing. We don't need extra extra extraneous blessings. The mass already has a blessing. So he tried to do that with fiducia supplicans.

[00:55:27]I told you why that's probably not going to happen.

[00:55:31]Um but um but if but in this case what what Sarra is saying that that preserves that's what two preserves the viso continuity that he he thinks is essential one pope should not be cancelelling out another pope while um because with destitute we can arrive gently in the same place and have lurggical peace.

[00:56:02]The thing is that how long, right? So that's that's that's that's the part, you know, I got to be honest with you about what can law teaches here.

[00:56:14]So let's get concrete about that. So in canon law, the classic threshold for a contrary custom to take place and and um to harden into force of law is 30 years.

[00:56:32]Now my audience, if you're watching this show, my demographic is 35 to 85.

[00:56:38]All right? So you Octagarians that's watching uh it's it's not going to happen in your lifetime probably unless you get some sort of um you become a cyborg you know get some Elon Musk chips in you or something like that you probably won't see despitude happen with traditional custodies I'm turning 54 this year maybe when I'm your age I might could see it okay God willing If you're my younger demographic, you're 35, you know, you see me and you call me uncunk, that's fine. I'll be unk.

[00:57:18][snorts] You're probably going to see it, God willing.

[00:57:21]So um so it has to so uh contrary practice has to has to be in con 30 continuous years of legitimate contrary observance and a custom of a hundred years from the time memorial can stand against the law that tried to forbid it. 30 years.

[00:57:48]That's the ballpark the church thinks in.

[00:57:52]Um you can think of this too as kind of like um liturgy as well when um pious when he issued the document um bringing the Roman right into the church making it the ordinary form. He said, "What rights older than um hundred years can still be in practice." This is kind of what he was saying.

[00:58:19]Those had already been in practice.

[00:58:23]I'm not going to come in and obate them.

[00:58:26]Okay. So, this this idea despitude and recognizing customs um and customs becoming having to force law has been with the church for a very long time. But you know, I recognize that may sound kind of strange to modern ears. So let me give you a more reasonable comparison that you may have a better way of understanding. So I would say think about common law marriage.

[00:58:56]So in common law marriage and I think a lot of states, United States recognize it. So, and they also have a principle here in Germany that's very similar to that that a couple who never signed a license, a marriage license, who never had a ceremony, who never filed a single form, can still become legally married in the eyes of estates simply by living as husband and wife, presenting themselves as married, holding themselves out that way consistently over time.

[00:59:36]So, not civily married, but acting as such, having all the trappings of marriage, never being legally married.

[00:59:44][clears throat] That's common law marriage.

[00:59:46]No document ever created a marriage, but the practice sustained long enough and publicly enough, it ripened into a binding legal reality.

[00:59:59]So if you're in a state with a common law marriage, you've been married for a period of time defined by the state, you have all the legal benefits pertaining there too. And the state looks at um you know when the state examines it, they say they looks at how did you guys live? Did you have bills together? Did you live together? U presenting yourselves as spouses on children's documents, you know, so on and so forth. You know, there's a lot of things that can identify that. And so, whatever the paperwork does or doesn't say, the sustained practice of acting as though as though you were married becoming, it becomes a law of the marriage. And so a spouse is entitled to things pertaining to the other's um benefits, retirement, um things when they die, access to the spouse's bank [clears throat] account, and access to them in a um life death situation, um access to them in a hospital, right? Well, everything that the spouse is entitled to in a marriage with paperwork, they're entitled to in a common law marriage. So, this is the exact um logic of destitute, but running in the opposite direction. So, common law marriage is a practice hardening into law without a document. Desolitude is a practice dissolving law out of force without a document. Same principle in both the church and the state. Law is not what's written down. It's what a community actually consistently and lawfully does over time.

[01:01:41]Live as married long enough and you are married in many states.

[01:01:47]Ignore a restriction long enough with the lawgivers's tolerance and the restriction becomes dead.

[01:01:58]The paper is not the whole story.

[01:02:02]Observance is.

[01:02:04]So could traditionalist custodies be functionally hollow before a full 30 years?

[01:02:11]Yes, it could.

[01:02:13]If a pope actively signals openness, permissions of the traditional Latin mass spread and enforcement quietly stops.

[01:02:28]It could become a dead letter in a matter of years. But the point of the mechanism is that it does not happen overnight. It's not going to happen next year. It's not going to happen in five years.

[01:02:42]And it is not supposed to. It happens in the cardinal's own words day after day, year after year, more so in this country than that country. Okay? Until one morning, everyone realizes that the law hasn't been observed in so long that no one even remembers enforcing it. All right. And that slowness, I would say, is not a bug. Really, it's the whole of theology because that's the difference that um that I want you to remember that when a Holy Spirit develops doctrine, he moves sharply and a church declares it loudly because the truth cannot wait because souls are at stake. slavery, torture, the dignity of Jewish people, state sanctioned homicide, death penalty. The church stood up and spoke, "No, we're not going to do this anymore."

[01:03:51]But when a church lets the discipline go, she can't afford to move slowly, quietly, gently because no soul is lost in the waiting.

[01:04:04]Discipline can take the scenic route.

[01:04:09]Doctrine takes the pool pit. So, Robert Cardinal Sarra is asking Pope Leo the 14th to let a discipline take the scenic route. That's legitimate. You know, again, that's a man who understands canon law and how he's been around long enough. He's read enough to know, understand how how the machinery has worked for the past 2,000 years. The only thing that we and Pope Leo the 14th have to make sure of is that the other crowd, the lavender mafia, the study group nine crowd, the ones who want doctrine to take that same scenic route into oblivion never get to borrow the mechanism that only belongs to discipline.

[01:05:00]Let traditional custodies fade. You know, I guess that's one option.

[01:05:07]But never let the moral law fade.

[01:05:12]That's what's dangerous. That's what destroys souls.

[01:05:17]Again, one is clothing. The other is the body of Christ.

[01:05:23]That's the distinction. That's the whole game.

[01:05:27]And and now you know how to see it. This is David Og. Gray. Hey, God willing, I'll catch you in the next one. But until then, and until next time, remember that Jesus loves you and that he truly is there for you.

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