Why Mirimo Nyongesa Believes Youth Must Take Over Nairobi, Kenya's Politics | Ft. Isaac Kweyu

Añadido: 2026-05-22

[00:00:00]Order. [music] Order. [bell] [music] Hello and welcome back to the political ringside. My name is Quu Isaac. This is where we do analysis from the front row.

[00:00:25]And today is a very interesting day because the president of France is in Kenya currently co-hosting Africa Forward event with Dr. William Samo Ruto and that's why I decided to bring you an amazing guest to talk about local politics and international politics >> my friend.

[00:00:45]>> Yes.

[00:00:47]>> Long time brother. How have you been?

[00:00:49]>> I'm good. Been traveling up and down.

[00:00:51]>> Yes.

[00:00:52]>> Uh business.

[00:00:53]>> Yes.

[00:00:53]>> Career engagements. Okay.

[00:00:55]>> But I thank God here I am.

[00:00:57]>> And it's quite an amazing opportunity to meet you again >> and talk and probably discuss important national matters.

[00:01:05]>> Yes.

[00:01:06]>> And geopolitical ones as well.

[00:01:08]>> Amazing.

[00:01:08]>> Thanks.

[00:01:09]>> So before we get into we dive into these matters for those people who do not know who this is because I said this is an amazing guest. They are wondering who is this guy?

[00:01:19]>> Well as you've heard my name is Mimmonessa.

[00:01:23]I'm a lawyer by profession. Uh I'm an entrepreneur and a bing politician. Uh vying for member of parliament of great north but we'll talk about that when the time comes.

[00:01:35]>> Okay.

[00:01:35]>> Yeah.

[00:01:36]>> All right.

[00:01:36]>> And I thank you for this opportunity.

[00:01:38]Probably I also get to outline my agenda.

[00:01:41]>> You did mention that you're an alumni of the University of Nairobi. I find everybody trying to say how they went to the UN [laughter] or is this something that just fades once you graduate?

[00:01:52]M what?

[00:01:54]Well, I went to the University of Nairobi [laughter] because I meditated to be there.

[00:02:00]>> Yes.

[00:02:01]>> Being a premier uh higher in premier institution of higher learning.

[00:02:06]>> Yeah.

[00:02:07]>> H clearly shows you that I meditate to be there.

[00:02:11]>> Most importantly as a government sponsored student.

[00:02:14]>> Okay.

[00:02:15]>> Yes. So you said that you're vying for member of parliament in why specifically member of parliament and the way we know that vying for a member of parliament especially in Nairobi is something very costly. You mean you already have the millions ready?

[00:02:32]>> I'm well prepared.

[00:02:33][laughter and clears throat] >> So tell me why specifically why why why do you want to to to to kick out Elachi?

[00:02:42]Well, uh it's quite uh for a number of reasons. Uh considering uh these are constituency that uh I've considered home for probably for the last seven plus years ever since I stepped into Nairobi.

[00:02:58]>> Okay.

[00:02:59]>> You'll agree with me that a larger part of the University of Nairobi sits square within the great north.

[00:03:04]>> Exactly.

[00:03:05]>> And uh having come from hostel, I settled in the in the slums of Kawangari. [snorts] >> Okay. and uh it's a place I've largely considered home and also considering I come from the lawyer lawyer community which is a majority within that area >> uh politically it gives me the reason to >> the upper hand >> yeah the upper hand to be within the great north but most importantly are the issues I've encountered there interacted with considering it has been a home that have affected me in one one way or another. Uh I've tried solving them at whichever level God has placed me and uh I felt it's probably this is the time for me to seek uh this particular seat.

[00:03:55]>> Okay.

[00:03:56]>> And uh pro bring a considerable impact at a higher level. Yeah.

[00:04:03]>> Are you considering uh joining any political party now that we know Elach is in ODM? Are you considering maybe contesting for nomination for the ODM ticket or you're going independently?

[00:04:16]>> Well, this is a conversation I've been having with the people of Deorate North and they told me when the time uh comes, they'll advise me accordingly.

[00:04:24]>> Yes. So for now we're just having a general conversations on how to set our agenda come up with a more compelling manifesto uh get to understand what's of priority as of now and then when the time comes they'll advise on the most appropriate vehicle >> okay >> that will propel us >> so aside aside from the motivation that you are in the UN and you settled in the slums around Agori what is this other thing that made you feel like I won this seat specifically member of parliament.

[00:05:00]So as I've told you I've run a number of programs in the slums of Kawangar that's in great north most specifically Shir okay >> and while doing this I got to interact with a number of youths what pushed them into crime and drug abuse. Uh as I've told you I've tried to solve some of them at whichever level God placed me.

[00:05:24]uh in my normal hustles, the little resources I had, we could share here and there and uh it compelled me that I probably need to seek a political office and be able to solve some of these issues through policy uh and uh lobbying at a political at a higher political level.

[00:05:48]>> Okay.

[00:05:48]>> Yeah. So what specifically agenda are you are you pushing for the decorating people?

[00:05:56]What are your agendas? What exactly are you having on your manifesto that you know Elach has been here but he hasn't done this and this or he's been doing but he hasn't done it perfectly.

[00:06:08]What is this specific thing or specific things that you you're bringing to the people of Dori?

[00:06:14]>> Well, I'll digress a bit on that in that Elachi has been an amazing politician.

[00:06:19]he has done an amazing job in the great north but I I just feel like uh you see all politicians are accustomed to talking about uh probably roads when they're addressing infrastructure roads water electricity and all that but what they forget this is an aben setting in that uh I can say up to 95% level all these amenities are available what they don't talk about is how money will get into the pockets of these people. That's why you realize that Kawang is one of the largest slums in Nairobi that is not addressed as a slam and it remains as so uh and you'll find most empowerment programs going to other slums like let's say Dora Kib wherever and Kawang is forgotten so I come with an agenda of empowerment economic empowerment pan fuki h on how we are going to uplift the lives of these people at least they be able to live above the the dollar line.

[00:07:27]>> Yes. So we are not going to to to stick to roads, electricity and whatever because these are amenities that are already there. Yes, we'll do them because they exist public institutions like Kura with resources to do that. But more specifically, we want to talk about economic empowerment and restoring the dignity of these people so that they live like the rest of Kenyans who deserve to lead dignified lives. And now bearing in mind that you come from a law background >> I know you are a man who want to talk about data statistics numbers in terms of the programs you're doing. Is this something you com you have already you have numbers you are comfortable talking about I've had this project and this is how it is doing. This is the number of people you've assisted.

[00:08:18]>> Well uh Rome was not built in a single day. uh we're doing this uh progressively.

[00:08:28]We might not be there in terms of uh numbers or demographics but gradually we building brick by brick, block by block and uh within time uh in the due course of time we'll get there. Uh and yeah as per now I can say we have the upper hand.

[00:08:46]>> How long has has your your initiative been running?

[00:08:50]since uh 2020.

[00:08:52]>> 2020.

[00:08:53]>> Yeah.

[00:08:54]>> And uh you said you what did the numbers >> I I would like to I would love to hear that now at the moment as you're speaking >> in Kangar Islam for instance.

[00:09:05]>> Yeah.

[00:09:05]>> I have 150 young people who are put here and it's because of one two three and we are headed here. So I wouldn't uh I wouldn't uh have specific uh numeric in terms of data in the sense that remember I was doing these uh I was running these programs as an individual and therefore I didn't have a structured uh format where I could uh probably have this data uh in in a structured way.

[00:09:37]>> Yes. Uh but right now as I told you we're doing it progressively. Right now I've collected myself. I now have the resources and uh yeah next time I'll have the data as the confirmed foundation.

[00:09:54]>> Okay.

[00:09:54]>> Yes.

[00:09:55]>> I love I love that that point where you say now I would love to know what is your source of funding?

[00:10:04][laughter] >> [laughter] >> What is your because I understand in in Kenya politics is very expensive.

[00:10:14]>> Yes.

[00:10:14]>> And uh putting in mind the person you're going to face at the ballot is somebody who is once who is one politically experienced >> and in terms of finances I'm I'm I'm well aware she's she's good. And you said in response to that that so what is what is your source of funding for this politics >> because maybe there there may be a program that some young person who wants to buy maybe for an MC in the same constituency would want to join but they don't know. So are you comfortable talking about maybe sources of funding or your source of funding so that whoever wants to join or be a member of this funding can also join. Well, this is a very sensitive question because uh I might well in responding to it, I might inspire someone and at the same time might discourage someone else because uh it's unique on a case by case basis in that there's someone out there who might want to come out and they don't have the enough resources to the level probably >> and responding to this might discourage them but the truth is um the political one more So in an ab setting like requires >> well established financial muscles.

[00:11:34]>> Yes.

[00:11:34]>> So as for me in your introduction I think you pay you made reference to wili.

[00:11:40]>> Okay.

[00:11:41]>> I'm a lawyer and uh yes I'm a bing lawyer.

[00:11:46]I'm just starting out.

[00:11:48]>> Yes.

[00:11:48]>> But I thank God while still in the university I establish proper networks.

[00:11:53]I have >> a good clientele.

[00:11:56]>> Yes.

[00:11:57]I don't peanuts.

[00:11:59]>> Okay.

[00:11:59]>> And I'm also an entrepreneur.

[00:12:03]Yeah. So, >> yes.

[00:12:12]>> Yes.

[00:12:13]>> So, how what is this you're planning to do differently from how the system normally operates? because you sounded like you have a a program that will probably outshine somebody who is already there and is of course skilled in the same field. What is this unique plan you have that will make sure people can see that this is a new guy confirm confirm >> the confirmed team >> is a new guy from the confirm not confirm gang though >> no no >> and he's coming up with this idea and we see this one is actually going to out out to outweight the ideas that have existed before what is this plan you have for the people of the goret that is different from what the previous politicians have been having for years.

[00:13:01]>> Well, uh as I told you, you see uh contemporary needs uh require contemporary solutions.

[00:13:10]Uh the old folks uh have primarily based their agenda on infrastructural development for getting uh on how money will run into the pockets of their constituents. You see, even if you have the best roles, the best houses You see you still complain >> and that's why even in the hierarchy of basic needs food is the first one.

[00:13:35]>> Very true.

[00:13:36]>> Understand?

[00:13:36]>> So with food it with food it means you need to have the economic resources to be able to sustain you in terms of providing food provision shelter and uh clothing. So these are conversation that I'm already having the people of deg on the uh proper social protection programs that we need to establish once we get uh the office >> uh in terms of economic empowerment and how money will get in their pockets and probably lift their lives, lead dignified lives and lift them above the the the dollar line.

[00:14:19]>> Okay.

[00:14:20]>> Yes. And in terms of specific plans that I have, you realize that I'm also a welltraveled person. So I've been able to establish a proper networks. You see the old folks, they always get into office and uh their focus is on the CDF CDF.

[00:14:36]>> You cannot lift the lives of people by depending on the CDF. Understand?

[00:14:41]>> All the 290 plus constituencies >> have CDF. they receive a a mega 100 million or less or more >> which is barely enough to sustain the lives of all these people. So I'll also have to to depend on the networks that I have established and uh move from depending on CDF and uh establishing concrete industrial basis within the node that will be able to provide employment. We don't have to depend on the national government to to to to provide employment. But some of these programs also require political goodwill. I cannot convince my friend from uh from St. Petersburg. [laughter] >> Very true. Very true.

[00:15:29]>> Or from St. Petersburg or Moscow.

[00:15:33]>> Yes.

[00:15:33]>> Yes.

[00:15:34]>> You understand?

[00:15:36]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:36]>> Yeah. That's you see I can help you do this and that and that.

[00:15:42]>> Yes.

[00:15:43]>> Unless I have um proper political goodwill.

[00:15:48]>> And for for me to have proper political goodwill, it doesn't have to be it should not be amorphous.

[00:15:55]>> It has to be real.

[00:15:56]>> Yeah.

[00:15:56]>> Concrete.

[00:15:57]>> Yes.

[00:15:57]>> Verifiable.

[00:15:58]>> Yes.

[00:15:59]>> So how does that come?

[00:16:00]>> I need that political office.

[00:16:02]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:16:02]>> So once I get into office, I'll be able to pull these friends and bring them to the north >> establish industrial basis.

[00:16:13]Uh run other related programs. Yeah.

[00:16:17]>> Now talking about political goodwill, you know, political goodwill has stages.

[00:16:22]>> Yeah.

[00:16:22]>> Normally when people get to office, uh the other day I had uh most school saying that politicians are very fishy.

[00:16:31]Mhm.

[00:16:32]>> Even those who are elected on this political party >> will end up joining the government immediately after election. And you mentioned this thing called political goodwill. Is it are you already suggesting that uh you plan to work with the government or maybe even v on the on the on the ruling government's party.

[00:16:56]Well uhhuh I think on this particular issue I'll have to mix language so that Kenyans can understand me properly.

[00:17:03]There's this Kasum bombay.

[00:17:04]>> Yes.

[00:17:05]>> Yes. I call it Kasumbaya in Kenyans.

[00:17:09]>> Yes.

[00:17:09]>> And most I think it has just come between 2024 during the Jenzi protest.

[00:17:15]>> Yeah.

[00:17:15]>> People feel like there is some level of heroism in opposing even good things provided you you're you're not with the government.

[00:17:24]You see, democracy is a is I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's a foreign concept that we should embrace it with a pinch of salt.

[00:17:34]Understand? In that uh even in mature democracies like Japan, the UK, South Africa, uh there is a time both the opposition, the government agree on certain issues uh of important national interests. Understand?

[00:17:51]>> Yes. You'll find even in the UK the Labor Party and the Conservative coming together and agreeing on a given on a given important issue that is of national interest.

[00:18:03]>> So for me, I'll embrace whatever works for the people of the North. You see, even if I'm uh I'm I'm I'm elected on an opposition ticket and I get there and I have to to to to leverage on political patronage for the benefit of the the people of the goret north. The end sometimes justifies the means. So will I ignore uh an important uh national project coming to the gate north because I was elected on an opposition ticket and my goal is to my duty is to my duty is to represent is not to oppose the government.

[00:18:37]>> Sure.

[00:18:37]>> I'll only and even if I'm I'm elected on a government ticket and there is an there is an issue that I feel like will negatively impact the people of North I'll still oppose it. Yeah, >> my issue is not to other than advancing parties interests, the people see >> the people are more important than the political party. And that's why the constitution talks of uh uh the power belongs to the people >> you understand >> and the people may >> and the people may [laughter] you see so I'm there to represent the people through this political party you see. So in as much as I'm advancing the political parties uh policies and interests they have to they have to reflect the goodwill of the people that sent me there.

[00:19:26]>> Okay. Now talking about uh politics in the larger spectrum the mainstream uh politics what is happening especially around ODM. I've known you for a number of years and I know it's very difficult for somebody to know whether you are supporting the government or you are in a position [laughter] you always give insights about what is happening and you normally relate what is happening locally with what is happening internationally actually there's a time you are introducing me to something called I don't know your word political some machinery that does shape opinions >> so I think you borrowed the idea here of just shaping opinions. So talking about ODM specifically, what exactly is happening? How many how many units or sections or divisions are in ODM currently?

[00:20:21]Uhhuh.

[00:20:28][laughter] [laughter] >> Okay.

[00:20:36]>> So that was expected. You see more so with the personality politics in Kenya >> the Odium politics was centered around Raa >> you see and with the fall of Raa that was expected people I mean disintegration within the political party structure so it's not strange and uh we just pray for God's grace that time the chaos salt and uh eventually people will embrace peace within the [laughter] Nowadays I hear there is I don't know Linda Mama Linda ground linda ball linda linda there are a lot of narratives moving around the internet and in media.

[00:21:21]How many linders do we have in audience?

[00:21:24]>> Well every everyone is just trying to clutch on a on a given coinage that they feel resonates with the public. But at the end of the day I'll tell you for a fact Bindi [laughter] and all of them and all of them have individual interests. They're trying to to protect to push for. Yes. Some of them are simply opposing people like Sona. Yes.

[00:21:51]>> As they're just trying to to propose the government to raise their stakes when they approach the bargaining table. You see, I I I listen to some of these young men following SH. I'm not saying is a bad guy. I I really love how he [laughter] >> understand is a is a young politician. I love how I love how he argues. I love how he debates in parliament >> during interviews. I love how he advances his agenda and whatever.

[00:22:29]>> Yes. But I've failed to understand with the Mima thing or the movement. What is the end goal? Sifuna, do you want to be the president? No, I've not said I want to be the president. SA, what do you want? When the time comes, we get there.

[00:22:43]You see? So, I think I'm mature enough to I've come of age and I'm mature enough to be to be swayed or rather to be manipulated by mob psychology. See, Yes.

[00:23:00]>> Yes. I'm beyond that. So before where are we? I think >> you you wanted to to talk about you look at the young people who follow and you you sympathize.

[00:23:14]>> Yes. And I sympathize because Sona has no clear agenda. For instance, you talk about Son, I talk about Babu and then I'll also talk about the other side of Kinaburu. Yes.

[00:23:25]>> You see >> with Sona, he has no clear agenda. He doesn't want to be the president. He's not saying what he wants. He doesn't want to be the governor, but he's just me. So he argues he says >> with all these people with all these I I I have to appreciate the fact that he has a national following currently.

[00:23:39]>> Yes.

[00:23:39]>> With all these people following with no clear goal. So it reaches a time uh SUNA doesn't want to be the president.

[00:23:49]He goes back to Nairobi senatorial seat.

[00:23:54]So what happens to the young men in Mombasa, in Mandera, in Busousia and wherever who are shouting women? What happens to them? Do they vote in Nairobi?

[00:24:03]>> No, no, no, no. They I don't know. I honestly don't know.

[00:24:06]>> Where do the national he says he says that if you look for for the case of William R. Yes.

[00:24:13]>> when he was getting out of Jubilee.

[00:24:16]>> Yes.

[00:24:17]>> It was very systematic. slowly but surely eventually he was the presidential candidate and he was never coming out clearly to say I'll be vying uh as president come 2022 but later on he declared that he was vying anyway >> that's funny that's funny those [laughter] two situations are not relatable what you have to understand >> yes >> we have a first time MP here >> in Sufuna and in R had a a three decade experienced politician who was in his second term as a deputy president and uh it was it's realistic that the only next stage he could uh he could ascent was the presidency he can't go back to be a governor was the president it any any common fool could decipher that you see and then here you have a first time MP uh with less than 5 years experience in politics you see who failed even to clinch a parliamentary seat in his own hometown So it cannot you see you cannot compare the two uh the two situations.

[00:25:22]>> But for Baba Baba Baba did not stay in parliament for long just vi was in parliament then from there he moved state to wanting to become president.

[00:25:36]>> Uhhuh. Baba was in parliament since the the 1990s.

[00:25:41]>> Yes.

[00:25:42]>> Until uh 2013.

[00:25:45]>> Yes. You see how many are those [laughter] >> two decades in parliament?

[00:25:52]>> Yes.

[00:25:53]>> With some uh pre 1990s you see >> you see his name had already become an ideology in itself. So again we cannot compare the two scenarios.

[00:26:06]>> Yes.

[00:26:07]>> Understand? So is Edifa and the way we have this Mimifuna gaining national attention is Easa comes out clearly that you see in 2027 I'll be vying for the presidency and this is my agenda and see whether and we we will we will we can embrace it or not or he forever keeps his silence.

[00:26:30]>> Yes.

[00:26:31]>> You see come to Babu Bab is my friend. We've been he has been my classmate at the University of Nairobi.

[00:26:40]>> And your chairman also?

[00:26:41]>> Yes. My chairman during the son days.

[00:26:45]>> Yes.

[00:26:47]>> Was my classmate at the Kenya school of law.

[00:26:49]>> Yeah.

[00:26:50]>> Someone understand better. I wouldn't want to talk about his flaws but we know him >> as well.

[00:26:57]Sometimes I read the comments online people trying to bash Gucho.

[00:27:03]>> Yes. But let me tell you one thing. When uh they say when the crocodile comes out of water and tell you the fish is sick.

[00:27:11]>> Yes.

[00:27:11]>> Believe it.

[00:27:12]>> Yes. Because you don't stay in the water.

[00:27:14]>> Because because you don't stay in the water. [laughter] I leave it at that point. So the people who are bashing Gucho, huh?

[00:27:23]dismissing. [laughter] You better >> Why do you have to make it look like there is nobody who knows Babino than the way Babu?

[00:27:34]>> As I told you, Babino is a comrade.

[00:27:37]We've been with him.

[00:27:38]>> Yes.

[00:27:40]>> His political journey is an amazing one. I appreciate it.

[00:27:44]>> Yes.

[00:27:45]>> But uh it's not devoid >> Yes.

[00:27:48]>> of uh >> flaws.

[00:27:49]>> Flaws. And the flow some of the flows are very catastrophic. Yes.

[00:27:53]>> You see >> uh the victims of the victims of some of the flows uh are statistics we can we can mention >> and therefore I still go back to the same age >> when the crocodile comes out of water [laughter] is happening in the water. Yes.

[00:28:14]>> So whatever is saying >> yes >> don't just dismiss it.

[00:28:18]>> Yes.

[00:28:19]>> Yeah.

[00:28:20]Will he become governor of Nairobi?

[00:28:25]>> Looking at all the political possibilities and uh factors you see in becoming Nairobi governor.

[00:28:34]>> Mhm.

[00:28:39]But I would really love to see him on the ballot.

[00:28:41]>> Yes.

[00:28:42]>> Uh if need be. I I may I may support him.

[00:28:48]uh of course subject to how he behaves and how he he he he under goes a certain behavioral metamorphosis [laughter] into someone we want.

[00:29:02]>> Yes.

[00:29:14]>> In what terms? financial terms or or maybe just political alignments.

[00:29:19]There's somebody who's actually struggling to understand why why is every every other person saying that they would want to see up on the ballot but they don't see the possibilities.

[00:29:30]Can you are you able to give us maybe some deep analysis of why the math is not ming? See people people people assume more so in in the current times we in people assume that we have a constituent called Gen Z.

[00:29:46]>> Yes.

[00:29:47]>> There's no such constituency.

[00:29:50]Understand?

[00:29:50]>> Yes.

[00:29:51]>> At the end of the day people will retreat back into their political cocoons of identity uh for lack of a better word into their tribal cocoons. at the end of the day. So yes, we might have a few genesis here and there that tribless and whatever, but uh at the end of the day, he really have to make proper calculations based on uh tribal arithmetics. Yes, >> I've actually seen Governor Sakaja having several meetings with the former governor Mike Sonko. Uh first of all, legally speaking, is Sonko viable for any political seat and then from there you will tell me what do you think what do you think is happen? Is it just another blow to Babu?

[00:30:48]Uh personally I really felt bad when Son was disqualified from ving for the governor of Nairobi in 2022 and when even when he went to Mombasa and again I was disqualified and the courts appealed the same. I really felt bad because you see in as much as uh chapter six of the constitution talks of integrity and whatever uh the only institution that has the legal mandate to to establish the guilt of the innocence of any person is the judiciary. The Senate has co judicial powers and considering it's largely politically influenced.

[00:31:32]Uh we couldn't use we couldn't uh or rather the court couldn't have based its decision uh influenced by what was decided at the at the Senate. You see because that was a political process not a legal process and the innocence of the guil the guilt factor of a person must be established by the judiciary. So from my understanding so is legally speaking strictly legally speaking without any political bias should be allowed to buy.

[00:32:07]>> Okay.

[00:32:08]>> Yes. Same as Gashagago.

[00:32:10]>> Okay. That's [laughter] interesting.

[00:32:12]That's very interesting. But then we saw Kashak saying that he's first of all he's not interested in getting back his position as the deputy president. He just wants compensation and what exactly actually is happening around his case >> because he knows >> yes >> and I think his lawyers have properly advised him.

[00:32:31]>> Yes. uh there is um a maximum of equity in in law that say that the the court cannot uh give orders in vain. So the reinstatement of Gashagua as a deputy president is um has already been overtaken by events because you have another deputy president in office dy sworn in. So even if the court was to order that Gaga be reinstated, what happens? The law is silent in that area.

[00:33:03]So this is a factor that have already been overtaken by events and therefore he cannot come back to office. So what happens compensation in lie of a specific performance. Yes.

[00:33:17]>> Okay.

[00:33:18]>> So among the remedies that the court usually issues are specific performance and damages. So in the event that specific performance cannot be affected damages come in of specific performance which is reinstatement. There are some people are saying that uh that maybe regard is now becoming R's main opposition project that William R wants to use his influence to ensure that the courts release Gashago on time so he can prepare and v as the president so he can have at least an opponent that he already knows because the other side is hiding their their opponent. Is it could it be a political possibility now that we also believe that in politics there are no coincidences. Is William R preparing his [clears throat] own opponent?

[00:34:11][gasps] You see uh I can say from now to 2027 it's going to be a night of long long night. You say >> yes.

[00:34:22]>> Uh it's really difficult. No one has uh no one always has a uh How do I how do I put it?

[00:34:35]No one is a genius in the political world cuz uh no one can never fully understand what the other is thinking. I can tell you this is my my personal opinion.

[00:34:49]The [snorts] the purportedity between R and Gashago might even be non-existent. [laughter] >> That's scary. might even been non-existent.

[00:35:01]>> That that is very scary.

[00:35:03]>> And uh the shest bet >> Yes.

[00:35:06]>> of R winning a second term >> is Gashago being on the ballot as a presidential candidate.

[00:35:11]>> Yes. And and R is aware of that.

[00:35:13]>> Yes. And R is aware of that. Not like he's stupid.

[00:35:16]>> Yes. You see, so R might be might be leveraging on the on Gashago's factor so that he be released to be on the ballot to dilute or other way to wash the influence that the other side is having. I don't the United opposition or the Mimifuna whatever. So with Gashagago on the ballot and considering Gashagago is stronger than the all the other opposition or rather probable opposition candidates uh it will be an easy ride for R second term.

[00:35:59]>> Okay.

[00:35:59]>> Yes.

[00:36:00]>> So there are higher poss political possibilities that >> it must it might be even a [laughter] conspiracy R and Gab's conspiracy. Who knows after second time?

[00:36:10][laughter] Who knows? So you you had not talked about uh Saraja's uh current romance with the former governor Mike. Is it another blow to Babu or is just two people attending common events?

[00:36:28]>> I'll be real. I think we all know.

[00:36:30]>> Yes.

[00:36:32][laughter] >> They might be just friends who met.

[00:36:40]>> Yes. who met >> because I saw going to his office at Upper Hill. The following day >> Saka made it look like he visited his office also >> did some signing there. the following that very day they went to the the previous governor's place to m the family can >> yeah you see with Sonko uh one fact we must all accept Sonko Sonko is only politician in Kenya who can be a governor in three different counties Nairobi if son comes back today >> he will take Mombasa you see because he understands the language of the ghettos the informal settlement the common people you see it's difficult to hit song >> very difficult >> should it be serious then uh Sakaja might want to to leverage also on this particular political advantage of Mike Sonko I talked of the Gen Z constituents being an existent but we have the ghetto constituency you see all ghettos >> yes >> listen to son >> yes >> that's why he even in in 2017 when he was vying for governor they tried to to to to outmuscle him out of the dubility ticket but they couldn't you see >> then ODM NASA the NASA coalition was very strong in Nairobi Exactly.

[00:38:22]>> But easily in fact the two presidential candidates Raa and Uhuru I think he's the politician who who got the most votes.

[00:38:35]>> Yes.

[00:38:35]>> Yeah.

[00:38:36]>> Than the two candidates.

[00:38:37]>> Yeah.

[00:38:38]>> See so should the brance be serious then uh Sakaja might have some breather as we approach 2027.

[00:38:50]>> Okay.

[00:38:51]>> Yes.

[00:38:52]And uh is there possibilities of maybe UDF fielding a different candidate other than Zaka? I've seen Kari coming in.

[00:39:02]>> Uh I'm not a UDA member.

[00:39:04]>> Okay.

[00:39:04]>> I may not understand uh the intricacies of UDA party within the party structures.

[00:39:12]>> But you said you understand how William Rates. [laughter] No one is a genius when it comes to political not even himself.

[00:39:26]>> Yes.

[00:39:26]>> See, so >> because you've not seen any person becoming a governor two times in another factor.

[00:39:35]>> Yeah.

[00:39:35]>> So UD might decide to subject her candidates to nomination. Who knows?

[00:39:43]>> Yes.

[00:39:46]I honestly don't know when it comes to Nairobi race 2027.

[00:39:50]>> Yes, >> it's a bit mucky. That's why I even say about Bab. It will be quite interesting to see him on the ballot and how he he manipulates the Gen Z constituency which is nonexistent.

[00:40:03]>> Yes.

[00:40:04]>> And how he resonates with the ghettos but I cannot predict. Now talk about the other side of Linda, the Linda ground.

[00:40:17]>> What exactly is happening? The other day we heard rumors that uh the party leader is I don't know normal and that was so so bad. I don't know was spreading the propaganda but it appears even the party uh party party party principles are aware that M is not able to lead the party.

[00:40:40]What exactly is happening on those side?

[00:40:43]What do you see? I >> I was talking about um the different factions within ODM before I got lost into the whatever kind of thing.

[00:40:52]>> First of all, I want to urge ODM members and Kenyans at large to respect Oinga and the family of the late Oinga at large.

[00:41:05]>> Okay.

[00:41:06]right now. I think in as much as there is a post I even made on social media beyond the age factor is there any other reason that makes people or rather the the menta because all they keep saying he's old he's old but if you listen as to howing articulates his issues other than the comical comical sound bites that go around >> I think right now he's the only sober mind in audio PM uh I don't like Gladiswanga and how she operates within the party structures.

[00:41:44]Uh neither do I like the body the likes of Wai. These are these are just uh opportun opportunists uh who took advantage of being around Raa you see and you can see how they're behaving post Raa. So initially when Raa died I was of the opinion that the party should be handed to Winga. I'm a big fan of actually the people I look up to [laughter] it might be funny the people I look up to >> people who really inspire me >> right now.

[00:42:22]>> Yes.

[00:42:23]>> Politically in Kenya >> is Wing and Gawuchu.

[00:42:26]>> Why? [laughter] Why?

[00:42:31]>> Why [laughter] and few reasons.

[00:42:35]>> Yes.

[00:42:36]>> Uh Winnie, I really love Baba and Winnie is a reincarnate of Baba.

[00:42:45]If you've been around, there is some kind of a Winnie brings.

[00:42:50]Winnie walked into this room.

[00:42:53]You feel power around you. I've interacted with power. I've sat around powerful people. One such person who has that isuru kati even post presidency ifuru passes outside here you'll feel something powerful is around there's an hour of power around wining and when died I really felt like this is the right person to steer the party during these turbulent times but even when they handed it to I find him wise I'm one person who who go around shouting that you know I'm a young person I don't know the youth I don't know whatever that's absolute nonsense just bring your agenda people listen to it you must not take advantage of you being a because one day you'll get old >> yeah sure >> at the end of the day you see and you put what did you do there that you are given even as a young person we've had young people before in power I don't want to mention names of even have young ladies in parliament >> doing nothing recently.

[00:44:01]>> Very funny.

[00:44:01]>> Yes. Making very funny statements on the floor of the the house.

[00:44:06]>> So age is not a factor here. And I really urge ODM members to respecting there's no sin that Miz has committed.

[00:44:17]If anything right now he's the only sober mind in ODM amidst all the sober mind. But should we go back to NDC?

[00:44:28]>> Yes.

[00:44:28]>> Let the party be handed over to win your dink. I tell you [laughter] all these chaos will settle.

[00:44:34]>> But he was seen with Linda Mani.

[00:44:37]>> You see Winnie even Winnie as a young person might be tempted to to ride with the wave. As for me, I speak my mind. I don't I don't allow myself to be manipulated by mob psychology.

[00:44:51]Understand? So she might have been tempted to ride with the wave, >> but eventually when she sat down, nowadays you don't see her. Yeah. When she sat down, she realized who she's a she's a princess. There is power around her.

[00:45:04]>> Yeah.

[00:45:04]>> Yes. And we al we all have to accept that fact.

[00:45:08]>> Even in the Bible, [laughter] we had royal lineages.

[00:45:14]>> Yes.

[00:45:15]>> And in Kenya, this particular family has that royal lineage.

[00:45:20]>> Okay. uh to say because we've gone to school, we've been brainwashed with the I don't know principles and ideals of democracy and whatever and we forget certain uh certain normal principles that run life.

[00:45:36]>> Baddy was heard recently saying that very angry.

[00:45:39]>> Wait before you go to I was giving reason as why I want wining to run the ODM party and why >> inspires me. Oh yeah.

[00:45:47]>> Yes.

[00:45:48]You see uh I was once in that situation where go is see the only difference that I had the opportunity to go to school and I merited in school and that's how I found myself where I am but for Gucho probably I didn't have that opportunity but if you listen to him without emotions you understand he makes a lot of sense.

[00:46:13]Sure. Sure. You see if you listen to Gucho you understand he makes a lot of >> sense >> and he always has a point to put across.

[00:46:23]>> He always has a point to put across. So at one point in time I was where is and my opinions could not be listened to.

[00:46:32]See [laughter] what he was saying.

[00:46:41]So for GA because at least he has some coins now they will not base on that they dismiss him because he has no papers you see >> but he has some wisdom at least in the >> political world >> and even how he relates with people.

[00:46:56]Gucho has some level of wisdom that if you listen to him without emotions you'll understand he makes a lot of sense more so the things I said even about you see these are people for me I've met >> you see >> and for people who do not understand maybe nominations appointments board appointments the people have having problem with this appointment maybe you have something to tell them >> uh >> maybe they have no idea of how these decisions are made >> and as I said Uh sometimes uh we don't have to to to to to box to box our thoughts into strict confines.

[00:47:39]Board appointments uh mostly in public institutions.

[00:47:43]You were in school and you usually had the board of management in school. Why they all teach us?

[00:47:49]>> Actually my even my grandmother was a BM member and she never went to school.

[00:47:54]>> Yes. So what make why do you have you see health institutions and learning institutions they of the same level. So why don't you have a problem with your grandmother being a member of a board of management in your local school and you have a problem with Gucha being a board member of Mama Lucy hospital and they're all public institutions you say this particular hospital serves uh the informal settlements actually the elites don't go to those hospitals you'll find them in Aakan or wherever >> so you with elitism go and protest at aakan when where where you pay your bills. Yes.

[00:48:34]>> So for GA is a representation of the informal settlements. He knows how to connect uh the management of these public particular public institution and the people you see. Yeah.

[00:48:51]>> So you want to have a doctor walk into slams and speak English of the nose [laughter] to a Okay. You say which is a goon. So how will this particular dog speak English of the nose to a goon [laughter] of even goons get sick?

[00:49:10]Even goons get sick. They also want one of their own. And don't they don't hear even ghouls get sick.

[00:49:18]>> [laughter] >> Yes. Don't they vote?

[00:49:22][laughter] Yeah. I do think the description given to the public has decided to give to that he's a goon. Okay. It's fine.

[00:49:31][laughter] So you say you're saying that if every every person that is representing is a goon then even a right yes as equal tax [laughter] that's interesting >> but I really yeah but I really like I vote and should he even v for member of parliament in 2027 and he has all the he meets all the conditions to v as a member of parliament He's one of the characters I would really want to love to meet in the August house come 2027.

[00:50:09]>> I've actually seen him crying all the time that Baba really offended him by dying before he became a member of parliament. Otherwise, >> he has been swearing that he would have shot somebody dead. [laughter] >> I pray for him. I really like him.

[00:50:25]>> Yes, >> God willing, I really love to meet him in parliament in 2027. Yes.

[00:50:32]>> Uh I pray for God's grace and favor.

[00:50:35]>> Yes.

[00:50:36]>> Upon us, both of us so that we meet in parliament in 2027. He's a good guy.

[00:50:41]>> Yeah. I'll repeat if you listen to without emotions.

[00:50:44]>> He's a good guy and people wherever he's vying should be in give that young man a chance. Okay.

[00:50:51]>> Yes.

[00:50:52]>> So now talk about the broad-based government. Wait on still on the factor.

[00:50:58]Yeah. You seeing as much as I'm learning I speak good English I've interacted with them we've stud in the same class I went to University of Nairobi school of law and of course you'll expect >> my social circles serious English >> yes serious English most of them when it comes to practicalities of life and whatever >> hot air you recently hada saying that uh dismissing the construction of SG from Nairobi connecting Nairobi and Malaba you see SG there that particular statement he used and I was like is it fashionable opposing the government even when good things are happening you see that's where I that's where my my my school of thought and Sifuna school of thought divert you see oppose where it's necessary and support where it's necessary you see >> but when you listen to people like Gawuch will even criticize there's at one point one one point I heard him when was still alive in 2022 I don't know mama mama IDA mama Ida had had made some unpleasant comments about the church publicly criticized you >> within the party >> even within the party not in the other faction of ODM and he's criticizing the likes of Wanga B and whatever you see >> so sometimes criticize where it's necessary but support also where it's necessary our region in western has been neglected for far too long you see people assume because western has professors and whatever people assume that our region is developed and we should not and most of most of the resources are channelled to the northern part of Kenya in terms of affirmative action but you've been to western you understand the poverty levels in western >> uh I'm sure even if statistics were to be done today the highest concentration of borders are in western >> yeah even in terms of illiteracy levels Yes, >> my own constituency will contribute with around 80%.

[00:53:31]>> Exactly. So here we have an important uh infrastructural development project coming to our region opening our region to the rest of the world whereby farmers in western can harvest their produce and in less than 5 hours it's in Nairobi and you're there opposing without giving any solutions. Okay, put to task that okay today if you became president which infra what would be your development agenda?

[00:54:02]Which infrastructural project will you prioritize? You see in terms of infrastructure there is no uh infrastructural development that um will ever uh will will ever prioritize beyond transport.

[00:54:20]All other areas of economic development can be privatized but not transport.

[00:54:25]Transport will always mean with the government.

[00:54:27]>> Sure.

[00:54:27]>> You see if uh if today you visited let's say the United States of America which is uh fully a free market economy and all nearly all sectors fully privatized. You find roads still is still a responsibility of the states.

[00:54:47]Yeah.

[00:54:47]>> Understand?

[00:54:49]uh I've had the chance of uh I've also had the chance of uh traveling to various countries mostly within Africa and I tell you for a fact you can only you can only oppose what is happening in our country because you've not gone beyond these borders. I'm telling you Kenya is the United States of America of Africa.

[00:55:16]You go to South Africa.

[00:55:17]>> Is the USA in Africa?

[00:55:18]>> Is the USA in Africa? You go to South Africa despite the the the the despite their their massive GDP and whatever.

[00:55:33]You see the level of insecurity you'll feel in Dand Pandora.

[00:55:36]>> Yeah.

[00:55:36]>> You start feeling right at the airport.

[00:55:40]The way you walk in Dor and you feel you're insecure or whatever. In South Africa, you start feeling right at the airport >> with a native that is supposed to be most protected.

[00:55:51]>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Find a South. My my brother.

[00:55:56]>> Now, now give me one run, I show you.

[00:55:58][laughter] You go to Ghana. I'm telling you, I've been to Acra Ghana.

[00:56:06]Uh and uh you see the way we have well paved roads in CBD.

[00:56:12]>> Yeah. like Kata Avenue world do there is no single dual world or avenue or whatever in the CBD of a [laughter] all roads are streets >> main roads are like street [laughter] and that is where vehicles uh go through that pedestrians >> move yes yes yes I I can say the 80% of the population in acra hokas >> [laughter] >> Huh?

[00:56:43]>> Are you serious?

[00:56:44]>> I'm telling you, these are facts that people can confirm. People who have traveled [laughter] eh after every five like in in in every five billboards, >> yes, >> four are about churches. [laughter] You only find in every five billboards, four are talking about churches. Kesha, I don't know, Thanksgiving, whatever.

[00:57:03]And one billboard probably talking about margarine or butter or bread.

[00:57:08]>> Yes. and the next four again or a review of of a crusade. [laughter] >> You see, >> so Kenya is a space that has really opened up for industrialization, economic development, businesses and uh to the extent of attempting to ban the country. You see, I was one of the people who were on the streets in 20 24.

[00:57:40]We went to to the streets as Gen Z is.

[00:57:43]>> Yes.

[00:57:44]>> But sometimes I sit down and try to relate the the events that are happening in our country to historical events that happened somewhere and the outcome and I realized what we attempted to do in 2024 once happened in in Egypt.

[00:58:01]>> Yeah.

[00:58:02]>> Egypt has never been the same again.

[00:58:05]Sudan. You remember Sudan?

[00:58:07]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When they alashir.

[00:58:09]>> Yeah.

[00:58:10]>> Sudan has never been the same again.

[00:58:15]>> Kenyans we hated by all our neighbors in as much as we are friendly to them.

[00:58:21]>> Yes. To them. We hated by all our neighbors. should right now I hear even the international community is not interested in our affairs. If you want to fight we can fight to death.

[00:58:40]No the international community cannot afford to ignore us. Kenya is specifically us or like >> Kenya. Okay. Kenya is uh maybe at this at this time they might >> because I saw what happened in Tanzania here and nothing has happened.

[00:58:56]>> You know Kenya is is a strategic gateway to eastern subsaharan Africa that the international community cannot afford >> to ignore >> to ignore.

[00:59:10]If uh Djibouti was probably more established or it had an established economy and stable enough, maybe they would have afforded to ignore us. But right now, Kenya is the strategic gateway to Eastern Subsaran that cannot be ignored. Those who find Chinese here, the Brightons are here.

[00:59:32]As you said, the French president right now is in the country. They all try to to quot us you see and even in terms of global posturing Kenya occupies a strategic position on the global stage.

[00:59:48]So uh that's not true. Yes.

[00:59:52]>> Okay.

[00:59:52]>> But should we uh I talked of >> other our relationship with other uh citizens from other countries. You see you go to Tanzania they tell you >> even mama was saying that >> you go to Uganda doesn't want these revolutionary minds yeah to be within his borders >> Rwanda even worse >> Rwanda even worse Ethiopia >> you see Somalia you see how Somalians have have a a condescending attitude against weingu So it's a conversation that should pick national attention. We should not allow politicians who who feel like it's heroic to always oppose the government. You see, I may not like R for one or two things more so in terms of the foreign policy the government has adopted and whatever.

[01:00:56]But uh national security and economic interests come first. That's why wherever he he has performed well, I will always mention and wherever he goes astray, I'll also bring it to attention.

[01:01:11]Yes. So, let's not uh leverage on our divisive I say divisive personal political interests to divide the entire country.

[01:01:25]>> Okay.

[01:01:26]>> Yes. And uh now when we get back I would like to talk I would like us to talk about uh the presence of President Mron in the country and the whole topic of geopolitics because I know Mimo is one guy who loves talking about geopolitics.

[01:01:46]how you already mentioned that Kenya is strategically positioned to hosting or rather as a gateway to the eastern you said >> eastern subsaharan Africa.

[01:01:57]>> All right. When we get back we'll be talking about that. [music] >> Hello and welcome back to the political ringside. This is where we do analysis from the front row. My name is Quizak and today I'm hosting Mima Wil one very amazing guy because you've heard about how he dissects matters around local politics and now we want to dive into the international politics bearing in mind the president of France he's in the country Kenya co-hosting an event dubbed forward Africa Wii >> I've actually uh seen a lot of criticism around uh leveled towards macro on why he's in the country.

[01:02:51]uh why so why are people so angry especially on Twaces social media and even other other media person I know uh other uh political analysts have been saying that Macron shouldn't be in the country or rather Kenyans have no reason to be happy about his presence in the country >> well uh I wouldn't go that route >> okay >> to strictly criticize looking on positive side of it as well.

[01:03:22]>> Yeah, >> as I said before, Kenya is a is a strategic hub, strategic gateway to eastern subsaharan Africa and therefore hosting the uh the African business summit might be as might be as a as a result of this particular reason. We we are strategically positioned uh in the both in the global order and in the region being the biggest economy in the region.

[01:03:50]So where else could this particular event h have been held you see >> just in Kenya. So also in terms of uh diplomatic angling see there's nothing no man is an island and therefore as a country uh the wider we spread our attendance in terms of diplomatic relations in the global order the better uh if you asked those who are opposing this particular move um the balance of trade uh or or rather the BOP factor between Kenya and France. They don't have the statistics. They don't have the figures. All they know is oh France has been chased from West Africa and therefore why are we welcoming them and whatever the only thing I can say is that yes uh we can welcome them but with an open eyes. See, it might be a good thing, it might be a bad thing, but let's focus on the positive side of it and uh shan the negativity in it. So whether France is a is a good or a bad friend, we cannot decipher it right now. We give chance to time and in the long run we'll be able to consider our interests, balance our interests, what we gain from them and what they gain from us. What's the volume of trade between the two countries? How much are we exporting to France? Uh how much are we importing from France and do a BOP analysis and be able to determine whether they are a friend worth being within our borders.

[01:05:42]Uh don't you think uh maybe President Mron is using Kenya as a a strategic point to renegotiate his presence in West Africa again >> just like any other country you see uh the president always has the interests of his citizenry at heart and there's no sin in him uh renegotiating his his interests within the African continent. What you just need to do while on the negotiating table is to consider everything on a balance of convenience and on a balance of interests. You see uh sometimes they say uh yes I might be your enemy but when we have mutuality of interests we shan our enemity embrace friendship and see what benefit uh mutual benefits uh the new relation presents. Yeah. So uh historically speaking uh ever since uh Dr. William R became the president of this republic.

[01:06:52]We have seen him actually trying to negotiate for Kenya in different uh international uh platforms and forums and actually even yesterday we saw him telling the African leaders to toast using Kenyan tea as opposed to >> wine which is the obvious one. And that one brings us to a point of uh uh asking that he's re really pushing for national projects or maybe he's just negotiating for his own cut into these deals. So uh whether he is negotiating for his personal interest that was a question of conspiracy uh to be unraveled by whoever is interested in doing that.

[01:07:44]But uh remember uh when uh Kenya Konza government was campaigning uh in 2022 uh they always talked of uh bottom up economic model.

[01:08:04]The main purpose or rather I mean the backbone of the bottom up economics was sparring entrepreneurship, industrialization employment creation and whatever. You see the question of industrialization and employment cannot be discussed in isolation without considering markets. And therefore the role William Rut is trying to play in angling Kenya on the in strate by strategically positioning it in the global order is also one way of uh market expansion because uh so if all of us are producing within our borders.

[01:08:53]Yes. Intraeconomics are good intrade economics is a good thing but produce who buy from the other. Yeah.

[01:09:04]>> You see, we might find ourselves going back to going back uh to to the better trade era. You see, so we must seek new markets. We must expand new markets in that we can also do exports. So by seeking new markets it means uh our industrial base locally here will also expand and by doing that we will we will absorb um the large unemployed pool of people. So the question of personal interest or whatever should not be on the table because I'll treat it as a as a conspiracy theory.

[01:09:46]The reason that's why I'm I'm asking that is because we've seen our president negotiating putting the country in the in the bigger platforms negotiating for investors to come and do business here.

[01:09:59]But then after that we don't see the results of these negotiations. For instance, if you look at our industries right now, we all can agree that a number of them have have shut down and our president is continuing to negotiate to look for more investors. Where exactly are they going? Is there somebody along the way who is interfering with this? We actually currently have we saw Dangote speaking yesterday and he asked the president specifically that where should I build this refinery? If you tell me to go to Tanzania, I will go. But I would have wished to do this in Mombasa because of the strate strategic positioning around the the port the port. So where exactly are these uh negotiations or rather this cuts these pieces of the of the cake that our president is getting where are they going?

[01:10:56]Uhhuh. Well, as a as a common citizen rather as a member of the public, we don't get the privilege of being exposed to the specific details of the negotiations because they happen at a very high level.

[01:11:10]>> Yeah.

[01:11:11]>> And therefore may not uh be well positioned to explain as to what happens to the outcome of the negotiations. But the question of FDI, foreign direct investment, uh is al is also largely depends on goodwill. You see the government might have the goodwill, but the foreign investor might also coip you. [laughter] See, so it rests with him to decide whether they'll come back and invest or not.

[01:11:42]See, so >> if you look at even if you go through the audit reports where the auditor tells us that there are so many leakages of monies coming in and even money is collected uh locally. What exactly is happening? That's where that's what raises the question of is it a personal uh interest being advanced in public platforms?

[01:12:05]>> Leakages from where money collected from where? From foreign investors. Well, whenever we have a foreign investor coming in for instance, okay, sometimes we we are being told that there is a a foreign investor who wants to put up something like let's say that port then tomorrow you'll hear another person saying there was no public participation money was given but something the president will go there launch something then after a few years the project is not going on and we are told that the case is still in the courts. Kenyans wants to know why and other stories and we've had several projects which are told locally and some which appear to be businesses between Kenya and other uh countries or investors also not even starting up.

[01:12:58][sighs] >> Mhm.

[01:13:00]Well uh in terms of >> actually even before you respond initially we had the blue economy deal.

[01:13:06]>> Yes. Yes. I honestly don't know what happened or what is happening. We still have ministries representing the same but they cannot come out clearly and tell us this was the the timelines of delivery of this project and this is what we've done. So what exactly happens after this large conferences and negotiations and deals?

[01:13:27]uh you see well I may not have proper answers to that but I think as Kenyans we focus too much on opposing more so in this dispensation of Kenya on opposing every single project rather than rather than uh seeking answers in terms of the progress of implementation of uh the same projects. So your question is you you have asked a very good question that I think the rest of the Kenyans should be asking the progress of implementation rather than opposing the very projects >> for instance affordable housing.

[01:14:04]uh we've spent uh three since 2020 we are now in the fourth year. We've spent four years opposing affordable housing which is already progressing rather than asking uh the milestones >> of the the milestones the project has so far achieved in terms of uh implementation.

[01:14:25]>> Okay. So I think as uh as the populace we should change we should change our focus rather direct our focus from opposition to uh seeking progress in terms of seeking answers in terms of uh progress >> okay >> for the projects. Okay. Thank you so much. Uh Wii Mimo, I would like you out to maybe in a minute or two you just this is your camera here or this one is your camera.

[01:14:55]>> I would love you that to to hear you talk to your people especially theoret people and then lastly I would want you to tell Kenyans what they should do as we are gearing up towards the 2027 elections.

[01:15:12]Well, I'll start with the people.

[01:15:29]We have a great agenda for the people of North on how we'll move from the indignified lives we living to living above uh the poverty levels. the dollar line as established by the United Nations and other international bodies. To the rest of Kenyans, I want to tell you yes uh our government uh has its own flaws but it also has its positive side. Whichever side you choose whether opposition or the government side I'll add you at the end of the day let's not gaslight each other into banning our country. The path we've assumed is not a good one. It's a toxic one. And uh it's only us who can uh decide the fate of this country.

[01:16:21]Whichever fate we choose whether to remove the government or not, let's not ban the country. Uh let's not ban the whole house uh for a dashing rat. So and thank you for listening to me.

[01:16:39]That was me for you and see you next time as you'll be coming back to discuss the finance bill.