Roger & Sarina Taylor: Crazy Little Thing called ADHD

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[00:00:06]Hi everyone and welcome to our podcast.

[00:00:08]I'm ADHD.

[00:00:09]>> No, you're not.

[00:00:10]>> And who have we got on today?

[00:00:13]>> Can anybody find me?

[00:00:14]>> I am talking. If you don't >> somebody >> Oh, I see what you're doing is the next bit to love.

[00:00:21]So, come on then. Who have we got on today?

[00:00:23]>> Serena.

[00:00:25]>> Yeah. And >> and Roger Taylor.

[00:00:27]>> Off of Queen. off of Queen.

[00:00:30]>> Wow, that's a co, isn't it?

[00:00:31]>> I know.

[00:00:32]>> And tell me what's significant about this podcast, Dr. Mind Concuber.

[00:00:36]>> Well, it's our 60th episode.

[00:00:37]>> It is.

[00:00:38]>> It's the only one that's visual.

[00:00:40]>> It is totally visual.

[00:00:41]>> It's a double exclusive.

[00:00:43]>> All right. Why is that?

[00:00:45]>> Well, I can't give it away.

[00:00:47]>> Why?

[00:00:48]>> They have to watch it and find out.

[00:00:50]>> Oh, okay. But isn't it Roger's first ever podcast?

[00:00:53]>> And that's the next thing. Oh, I see.

[00:00:55]It's not the exclusive. in such a lackluster crap way.

[00:00:59]>> And it's Roger Taylor's first ever podcast. How about that? Is that better?

[00:01:05]>> You've pooped on it, but sure.

[00:01:07]>> Well, should we get on with it then?

[00:01:08]>> Yes, please.

[00:01:09]>> Right. Pop and dab and dominus. Let's rock. Or should I say we will rock you.

[00:01:15]Not off. Thank you for joining us on our podcast. I'm ADHD.

[00:01:20]>> No, you're not.

[00:01:22]>> There we covering all the bases, you think.

[00:01:25]Well, anyway, look, it's great to be here. Thank you very much for having us.

[00:01:30]>> We got a whole load of stuff saying how great you both are, which to spare you the embarrassment because you've had enough accol you've had enough accolades in your life.

[00:01:41]>> You are dad of the drummer in the darkness.

[00:01:45]>> That's my son.

[00:01:46]>> That's your son?

[00:01:47]>> Yeah, my son.

[00:01:48]>> Rufus Tiger.

[00:01:49]>> Rufus Tiger Taylor. Yeah. He's actually scary, >> you know. I thought, "Oh, he's he seems to be quite good." When he started, very young, you know.

[00:01:57]>> Oh, scarily good. Or scary.

[00:01:59]>> Just a scary person. I thought he >> No, it's really I I I watch him now and I think I'm not sure I can do that.

[00:02:06]>> And he's of course he's very strong, you know, and he's >> better than Phil Collins. I love Phil Collins.

[00:02:11]>> Well, it's different now. Phil Collins was really good, actually.

[00:02:15]>> Yeah. Yeah. He used to sit about an inch from the floor and and he's he was left-handed, you know, the other way around, but he was great drummer and he's a great musician actually. Phil, >> I love Phil from Genesis.

[00:02:30]>> Yeah, we know who he is, though. Phil, >> I mean the Genesis.

[00:02:33]>> I said from Gen. I see what you mean.

[00:02:35]Getting on my nerves.

[00:02:36]>> Well, we're coming back to drums.

[00:02:39]>> Yes, that's all he's here for. The drums.

[00:02:41]>> Yeah, >> the drums. That's what I'm here for.

[00:02:43]>> I said, let me do my bit first, love, then you can have it. So, over to you.

[00:02:48]>> Over to me.

[00:02:49]>> Oh, yeah. So, you >> you know that she's about to get serious cuz she starts talking in an Aussie accent. Right. Over to you.

[00:02:56]>> It's true. It's so true.

[00:02:58]>> I don't know why, but anyway. So, when did you get the ADHD and autism diagnosis?

[00:03:04]>> Um, what led you to that point?

[00:03:06]>> I got it about a year ago when I was young. Um, I remember at school when I was about 13, I'd say, we we were doing all these, you know, you used to do IQ tests at school and stuff and um and then I was kind of, you know, in the top IQ's and and I was I was um I became part of this little club that they had at the school was called the Spectrum Club.

[00:03:31]>> Oh.

[00:03:32]>> Oh my days.

[00:03:33]>> Yeah. And I became chairman of the Spectrum Club. Well, it didn't. They said it was for very clever people. How strange.

[00:03:40]>> Yeah.

[00:03:40]>> Well, you are clever.

[00:03:42]>> Well, I don't but I don't know if it was >> What was your IQ?

[00:03:45]>> Oh, I don't know.

[00:03:46]>> No, go on because we're going to say something. I bet you can't wait to tell her.

[00:03:49]>> What's it?

[00:03:50]>> What? How many guests have we had on that have been like one or two marks off genius?

[00:03:54]>> Yeah.

[00:03:55]>> Yes. So, I had a genius IQ. Yeah.

[00:03:59]>> So, we got a proper bonafideing genius.

[00:04:02]No, I got I was going to say, how can you be like one mark off genius? Ah, sorry.

[00:04:08]You just >> you did it too quickly.

[00:04:12]>> Yeah.

[00:04:13]>> Bishop. Who else? Kevin Bishop. Steven Fry.

[00:04:16]>> John Thompson.

[00:04:16]>> John Thompson.

[00:04:18]>> Yeah.

[00:04:18]>> You.

[00:04:19]>> If you're such a genius, why'd you end up with me?

[00:04:21]>> Well, there.

[00:04:22]>> That's exactly what I ended up.

[00:04:24]>> Yeah.

[00:04:25]>> On which note? What is the saying?

[00:04:28]>> Birds of a feather flock together.

[00:04:30]Opposites attract.

[00:04:32]>> No, it's definitely birds of a feather.

[00:04:34]>> Oh, >> yeah. I think so.

[00:04:35]>> Yeah. double diagnosis coming up.

[00:04:38]>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course, you've just put yourself right in a camp.

[00:04:41]>> Do you with what?

[00:04:43]>> Just just with what he's done.

[00:04:44]>> Some ismutism.

[00:04:46]>> Oh, with um ADHD, I think.

[00:04:49]>> Me?

[00:04:50]>> Yeah.

[00:04:50]>> No, I'm not.

[00:04:54]>> Right. Why did that diagnosis come so very late? And like every one of our other guests, were there other diagnoses like the depression, the anxiety? So I was diagnosed with depression uh from a young age and anxiety depress depressive anxiety disorder um like throughout my life really. I got two separate diagnosis just to be sure because you know I wanted to >> different centers >> from different yeah completely um for both because I'm like that I double check everything make sure second opinions and >> yeah and I think with menopause cuz your estrogen drops and your dopamine levels drop your ADHD symptoms really come to the four as a woman >> actually that's a really good point you know maybe that's why so many women don't actually >> get checked till later in life, you know, they sort of tolerate it and live with it. And then something else and also cuz you know, you learn you've you just learn to mask really. You cope and you get on with stuff. And >> I've I've always been super capable, super organized, >> like organized >> to, you know, the 10th degree. But now I realize I'm that organized cuz that's the only way I could function was by organizing, having lists, pre um >> um pre-prepping everything. Um organizing things way in advance, don't I?

[00:06:15]>> Yeah, >> I'm I'm very very organized. But now I know it's that's the only way I could order my brain. Otherwise, my brain is chaotic.

[00:06:23]>> Do you medicate?

[00:06:24]>> I do for the ADHD now.

[00:06:26]>> Yeah. I was against the medication in the beginning and I was like, should I?

[00:06:29]I remember saying to you, I'm not sure if I should take it. And literally within an I'd say 45 minutes to an hour after taking my first tablet, all the noise in my head died down. And it was I could relax.

[00:06:42]>> But you meditate, don't you? And yoga.

[00:06:44]>> I meditate. I do yoga. I do plates.

[00:06:47]>> And they didn't have an impact in quite an >> They do, but only for that period, >> you know, that I'm doing it. They don't really kind of but I think if I wasn't I'd be a lot worse. Yeah.

[00:06:59]>> What was there any particular trait or behavior or feeling in you that was getting quite untenable like oh my god I'm going to snap if I don't do something led you to the >> So physically I had tremors. I had terrible tremors and I mean I was going for um you know brain scans. I was seeing neurologists um about my tremors. At one point they were so bad even when I was walking I I couldn't walk without a shake >> and you used to freeze >> and I'd freeze. I have I had which I now know which they've described as autistic catatonia.

[00:07:35]>> So it's like a severe shutdown.

[00:07:37]Basically your brain goes past the point of a meltdown or a shutdown and then gets to the stage where you can't communicate speak.

[00:07:48]>> It's really a very alarming >> or move or move my limbs basically.

[00:07:54]>> So I I can hear everything that's going on but I can't respond.

[00:07:57]>> Yeah. But it's like hello not there.

[00:08:00]>> And were they increasing in frequency?

[00:08:02]>> They were increasing in frequency because I I there was a lot going on at the time. They definitely um now they don't know what it is. I can manage it.

[00:08:10]But you know I was going through all these tests and the tests were making me anxious and so the severity of stuff was getting worse. And the minute I started taking my medication for ADHD, my tremors stopped.

[00:08:23]>> That is incredible.

[00:08:24]>> So, actually my tremors were which which is was interesting to my neurologist as well because he said he's going to look into that now because I don't you know I don't know.

[00:08:34]>> You've taught him something >> if that's if that's a usual thing. But my tremors have stopped and taken the medication.

[00:08:42]>> Do you mind my asking which type?

[00:08:44]>> Elvance. See that? That's fascinating.

[00:08:47]Who were we with John Thompson the other day? He said he couldn't handle it because it was just messing with his mental health. Some were having suicidal thoughts on it. But then I said, "It's so different for each and every person to find what works for you basically."

[00:09:01]Yeah.

[00:09:01]>> Wow.

[00:09:02]>> And then um yeah, so the the question of things getting worse, I guess. Yeah. I think um just the chaos in my mind. I mean, I couldn't, you know, some days I I wake up and I just say, "Why is everything so hard?" I couldn't figure out why everything >> physically, emotionally.

[00:09:21]>> Exactly. It was so difficult. I just found life so hard >> and um exhausting and and now I know that you can't get rid of that exhaustion by sleeping. It's literally far deeper.

[00:09:35]>> It's far it's a deeper exhaustion that you you know, which I can now manage with things. And did you say with the permenopause or menopause?

[00:09:42]>> Menopause it got it got worse. Yeah. Cuz your dopamine levels dropped and then and that's what the medication helps with is just >> you know.

[00:09:50]>> How did you see the change in Serena?

[00:09:53]Was it quite >> well I just thought you know in the sort of male typical way sort of pull yourself together you know that but no then >> come along Candies Marina.

[00:10:05]>> Yeah. Then I I realized she really did, you know, she really did have uh quite serious uh especially the freezing that was freaky.

[00:10:15]>> What's it called again? It's got >> the name the catia >> artistic catatonia. Yeah. So it's it's a severe form of shutdown. I guess it's kind of where your brain just goes bang.

[00:10:28]That's it. No more um communication.

[00:10:31]Would there be any identifiable trigger or was it just you could be?

[00:10:34]>> So for me my triggers are being tired, exhaustion and stress really and also I don't really as you know I don't really recognize when I'm getting hungry or when I'm getting tired. So um only at the point of pure exhaustion when I'm at that stage I go oh I'm totally exhausted.

[00:10:57]>> But you got the beans now haven't you?

[00:10:59]You got the beans, >> not baked beans, I'm assuming.

[00:11:02]>> No, I've got beans in my pocket.

[00:11:04]>> Oh, >> so they what beans me? So I have 10 beans in my pocket basically.

[00:11:13]>> What are they like made of?

[00:11:14]>> So they beans harones butter beans.

[00:11:19]>> I think these are just butter beans.

[00:11:22]>> No, they're tiny. Oh, okay. Maybe they are.

[00:11:24]>> But yeah, so they help me now.

[00:11:25]>> They're like worry beans.

[00:11:27]>> Well, no, they they help me. um they they are energy management for me. So if if I know for example like this interview is going to cost me three beans.

[00:11:38]>> Okay.

[00:11:39]>> So I'll move the beans over to that pocket.

[00:11:42]>> And when my beans are very low, if I've got one bean left, I need to go right, I'm going to have a meltdown or a shutdown, so I better do something to put beans back in the other one.

[00:11:50]>> And it just gives me this visual representation.

[00:11:54]>> That's good. That's a good tactic actually >> of knowing when to stop >> when your resources are diminished.

[00:12:00]>> We used up for you then. I really want to I'm going to be so upset now.

[00:12:04]>> C. We've used five beans.

[00:12:05]>> I've got five beans. Is that what you be?

[00:12:08]>> I start with 10. No, but I haven't you I haven't used five here. It's just since I woke up.

[00:12:13]>> I don't even How many have you used on us?

[00:12:15]>> Um I pre-ut one bean in my pocket.

[00:12:18]>> Oh, [ __ ] >> We're one bean down. How many beans make five? Two beans, a bean, the half, half a bean, and a bean.

[00:12:25]>> It's the prep.

[00:12:27]>> The bean prep.

[00:12:28]>> It is anxiety.

[00:12:29]>> Never get that quite right.

[00:12:32]>> I hate socializing speaking to people.

[00:12:34]>> How many beans make five? Two beans. A bean and a half. Half half a bean and a bean times two. 10.

[00:12:40]>> 10 beans.

[00:12:41]>> Full bean compliment.

[00:12:42]>> Cough.

[00:12:44]>> You know what's interesting? when when um I've been there >> when I was getting my diagnosis, >> um obviously Roger had to answer a load of questions.

[00:12:54]>> Yeah, it's his fault.

[00:12:55]>> And fill in questions. And what I found amazing was everything that I thought I'd been hiding and he hadn't noticed.

[00:13:04]He literally put everything down on that questionnaire. Oh. And I was like, "But how did you >> like what what were the most like Oh, no one remember exactly, but I was like, >> you thought I was sick."

[00:13:17]>> No, we didn't. No, we didn't. I just thought I was hiding it really well.

[00:13:22]>> Go on. Like what? Because I do things that nobody's like clocked on to yet. So like one one behavior. What is it? What?

[00:13:30]But like Serena's saying, >> I have a lot of behaviors.

[00:13:33]>> What is it that you clock that you thought that Serena thought was? She's she can be a bit odd, but she's a sort of a perfectionist, >> but you're in queen. Like, what's odd?

[00:13:42]You know, I don't know.

[00:13:44]>> Very funny on the to the assessor. Yeah, she can be a bit odd.

[00:13:49]>> No, this questions are really specific.

[00:13:50]So, the way he answered them was kind of very >> very interesting and very >> questionnaire, wasn't it? Yeah.

[00:13:58]>> Yeah. And also very revealing to me about how much you actually know me because you do know me really well. much better than anybody.

[00:14:06]>> That's incredible, man. You must be a rock to Serena then. Really?

[00:14:11]>> Yeah.

[00:14:12]>> A horrible pun there.

[00:14:16]>> Yeah. I mean, we look after one another, you know. Yeah.

[00:14:19]>> Do you remember that program where you used to husband and wife where the the wife and the husband wanted to go in a capsule and and then the spouse had to answer questions about >> shocking progress. I mean, surely it must have caused more divorce and even domestic violence than any I mean, it's awful.

[00:14:40]>> What What is it about him that annoys you?

[00:14:44]>> What is it about her you don't like?

[00:14:46]Come on, tell us.

[00:14:48]>> Yeah.

[00:14:48]>> Should we have a drop plunk to celebrate?

[00:14:50]>> Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that.

[00:14:52]>> Come on.

[00:14:52]>> Oh, hello.

[00:14:54]>> It's Would you like a different Would you like a proper champagne glass? Oh, no. They're great. We we thought these >> we fill up normal wine glasses with champagne boy. I don't give a [ __ ] >> Yeah, you can't get burger all in >> going to do shifting beans. Serena.

[00:15:11]>> No, not yet.

[00:15:12]>> The Jameson's before >> secretly really >> just the right amount >> shared by the way before we rose.

[00:15:24]>> Yes.

[00:15:26]>> Fabulous. That was good. It's quite musical, isn't it? Not bad.

[00:15:32]>> Go on.

[00:15:33]>> No.

[00:15:36]>> Are we the same note?

[00:15:37]>> Middle C. Yeah, >> it's the mating call.

[00:15:41]>> Yours, isn't it?

[00:15:43]>> We're close, aren't we?

[00:15:44]>> Yeah, we're sharp.

[00:15:46]>> Yeah.

[00:15:47]>> Crack on.

[00:15:48]>> ADHD and autism, right? Do you find them fighting a lot in a day? And what bits really rank? So, I found when I started my ADHD medication, my autism really came to the four. Um, and apparently that is a thing. Um, so it's like a tugofwar really because your ADHD, what my ADHD and ADHD in general, um, you know, it's impulsivity and um, and that was a a big one for me and and the autism is the opposite.

[00:16:21]>> So, >> yeah. Did you ever become stalemate? You know what I mean?

[00:16:28]The paralysis because of that. Yeah. It becomes free.

[00:16:32]>> Yeah. I wonder if that could be that.

[00:16:34]>> Yeah.

[00:16:35]>> Yeah. It's it's just like it's just like a tugofwar in my brain going >> What resolves it then? The ADHD meds.

[00:16:43]>> Walking with my cat.

[00:16:45]>> Okay.

[00:16:45]>> Going for long.

[00:16:46]>> You got a cat on a lead.

[00:16:48]>> Do you have a cat on >> be on a lead, but now she just walks on her own with me.

[00:16:51]>> All right. cuz we got someone near us who has a cat on a leash.

[00:16:54]>> He's our neighbor and and Yeah, he walks a cat on a leash.

[00:16:58]>> Yeah, I know this kitty just horse. But I think uh nature really >> grounds me and makes me feel >> Yeah. Well, I mean we live in the country most of the time so >> and and it's great. It really helps I think.

[00:17:11]>> Yeah. To calm the mind.

[00:17:12]>> Yeah. It's sort of trees and all that stuff. Although the bloody pollen drives me mad.

[00:17:19]>> Luffer complex natural. Superb.

[00:17:22]>> Oh, really?

[00:17:22]>> Yeah. Teacher Luffer. L UFA.

[00:17:25]>> Luffer complex.

[00:17:26]>> Yeah. Hay fever. I used to write fever, but maybe I don't get fever.

[00:17:31]>> Someone else must in your life. Such a misery.

[00:17:36]>> Oops.

[00:17:37]>> No, it really works.

[00:17:39]>> Get your uncle. You're in trouble now with your laugher. Your loofah.

[00:17:44]Doing a service for the community.

[00:17:47]>> I have a jab in the bum and it really works.

[00:17:49]>> Oh yeah. They do it now, don't they?

[00:17:52]>> Yeah. Fantastic.

[00:17:54]>> I went I went with him for his first bum jab.

[00:17:57]>> And >> I mean, you don't.

[00:17:58]>> It was kind of weird.

[00:17:59]>> Does it work? The >> Yeah, >> you went in there with him.

[00:18:03]>> I did hold his hand.

[00:18:05]>> I mean, it's so quick and slight, you know. Yeah.

[00:18:09]>> ADHD traits biggest strength. Biggest strength for me is uh my organization skills, I think. Yeah. I think. Would you say that?

[00:18:19]>> Yeah. would >> any irritating traits, Roj ADHD related?

[00:18:24]>> No, she doesn't.

[00:18:25]>> That's not what you told me the other day.

[00:18:27]>> She's a bit too bloody perfect at times, you know.

[00:18:31]>> But no, no, I don't. I'm not irritated at all.

[00:18:36]>> I like being organized and she's very good at that, you know, cuz I'm slightly disorganized >> and I say it'll be all right, you know.

[00:18:43]Don't just hang on. It'll be okay. But no, she's got it all in planned >> which is which drives that organization though, autism or ADHD. I would have thought >> I think uh it's a coping mechanism that I learned when I was young is to organize everything. And if >> if things aren't planned or organized or if things get changed um that I have planned already and someone else is changes those plans without telling me, it's really affects me. So, I've had to learn to manage that extreme uh emotion I feel with that as well, >> which is um >> Well, I know what you mean, though. It's an overcompensating with the ADHD, isn't it? I'm very organized. Like you said, you pre-prepare plan very meticulously >> and if you don't, it all unravels very quickly, but so do you as well. And I just that's I find that then sometimes I plan, but I do it all wrong. Yes.

[00:19:44]Yes. I'll do the wrong dates, the wrong venues, the wrong times, and it will be cause me a lot of distress.

[00:19:50]>> Yeah.

[00:19:51]>> Didn't we a month? Oh, no. We went to the wrong venue for one.

[00:19:55]>> Wrong venue on the wrong date for the wrong thing.

[00:19:58]>> And I just feel so stupid. And he's good at containing all of that, but it's still very frustrating cuz, you know, I'm a mom and I'm a professional, but I act like a [ __ ] And this can't get the most basic things done. I think we can all uh sympathize with >> I mean listen so look you know the thing is you're you know you're very high achieving Serene you've got very yeah you're a genius you know in a way that's what's contributed to that is your ADHD and your autism >> so you know it's kind of I know obviously it's debilitating at times but also probably what drives you and it she don't like the superpower term but it obviously >> has helped driven you in some ways, isn't it?

[00:20:42]>> Yeah.

[00:20:43]>> Or maybe it's the trying to deal with both of them actually that's that's kind of propelled you. Do you know what I mean?

[00:20:49]>> Yeah. It's taught mechanisms >> in which to with you know mechanisms to use in order to succeed at what I'm doing.

[00:20:59]>> Do you think if society was set up differently that you wouldn't have this immense unrelenting pressure to make all these little getarounds for yourself?

[00:21:08]Does does society make it harder to be neurode divergent as a woman do you think? Yeah, I think um I never thought of it, you know, I never thought of it that way because I just was who I was and I found life very difficult.

[00:21:23]>> Um as you know, I found it very difficult. But I >> you do a lot of very different things and at the same time like >> she you know I need to learn German to learn German.

[00:21:35]>> That's so I mean I wouldn't want to learn I I've been spent a lot of time in Germany but I don't want to learn it because too much trouble.

[00:21:45]We we have the ling of a frank, you know, >> uh and you know, and I want to take s take up surfing. So, you did that and you learned to surf >> and you can learn you've got a lot of skills, you know.

[00:21:57]>> Yeah, I do. Um well, that's the hyperfocus thing, isn't it?

[00:22:00]>> Yeah. And the curiosity.

[00:22:02]>> Yeah. So, I do a lot of things and I'm always working on a lot of projects and then I get overwhelmed like I do everything but I've done it to myself.

[00:22:14]>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a hobby.

[00:22:15]>> Is that what you say? Well, you've done it yourself. You deal with it lady.

[00:22:19]>> Yeah.

[00:22:20]>> Drown in it.

[00:22:22]>> You are It's What is it? Producer, writer, actress, makeup artist. What have I missed off?

[00:22:29]>> I've done Well, I was a professional dancer. Yeah. Um I was, you know, and I my high school was um a performing arts school. So that was great. I started off doing ballet and then I did drama and um >> prosthetics.

[00:22:43]>> Yeah. I went on to study theater crafts and I um I did um all sorts of things.

[00:22:48]I've done I've done a lot of stuff.

[00:22:50]Yeah. I've done >> Where do you feel most at home intellectually and spiritually given that you are so diverse in your skill set?

[00:22:58]>> I don't really know.

[00:23:01]Yeah.

[00:23:02]>> You've just written a new series, haven't you?

[00:23:04]>> Yes. And that is amazing because it's the first time I wrote uh script with a friend of mine. We we were actually going to write the script um together so that we would do uh show real scenes for ourselves to do together. And it ended up we ended up writing getting this amazing idea for a series and then writing the pilot. and it's just yeah, it won the Los Angeles International Screenplay and we're semi-finalists in four other competitions. We got an honorary mention. Um, we got a kind of little review and deadline. Um, it's done so well and a very big director contacted us and wanted to make it.

[00:23:46]>> Wasn't you?

[00:23:47]>> That's a long swimming, isn't it?

[00:23:49]>> No, it's not me.

[00:23:50]>> That's more than what you said to us the last time. That's amazing. Yeah.

[00:23:54]>> And what's it called? Come on, tell us.

[00:23:57]>> It's called Safe Word.

[00:23:58]>> Are you perverts then? Is that what it is? Is that you know about that kind of stuff?

[00:24:02]>> I don't know what it means. How do you know what it mean?

[00:24:06]>> No, it's a great title then. Really is going to read.

[00:24:10]>> Will it be on Netflix? Oh, we haven't got that far yet. But yeah, I I'm I'm doing a series on HBO at the moment.

[00:24:17]>> What are you doing?

[00:24:19]>> No, I'm only I am but Yeah, but we don't we're putting that in. I'm just not >> just having a bit of fun with you.

[00:24:26]>> Everyone knows you're in it anyways. I didn't see they don't. I'm not in the BL trailer.

[00:24:29]>> Argos Belch or something.

[00:24:31]>> Argos.

[00:24:32]>> Argus Belch.

[00:24:33]>> Argus Filch. Felch, not Felch.

[00:24:35]>> Oh, is it back a safe word? Argus Belch is even worse.

[00:24:40]>> What is is Argos?

[00:24:41]>> Listen, look. Argus. Can we not talk about this? Because never mind Voldemort. HBO lawyers will come after me and they are probably the most frightening people on earth, aren't they?

[00:24:51]>> Yes. No, don't. Can we keep that in?

[00:24:53]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:55]>> You're keeping it all in. They're always in the press. So, you're the only one who ain't mentioned.

[00:25:00]>> Yes. Where the flag?

[00:25:02]>> Yeah, I am.

[00:25:03]>> Yeah. Good.

[00:25:06]>> I don't need my flag to be flown.

[00:25:07]>> Oh, [ __ ] you then. I won't. It's not a big deal to me.

[00:25:12]>> Daily basis, what do you do to achieve and maintain sound mental health? I take my medication in the morning and in the afternoon and um I make lists and to-do lists um which uh calm my mind because I know that the um that I will get through everything I need to do.

[00:25:38]>> I try and remember to eat.

[00:25:41]>> Yeah. Forget sometimes.

[00:25:44]>> Communes with her cat.

[00:25:46]>> I commute with my cat a lot >> and beans. and my bees. No, it's an excellent >> Well, it is an actual thing. It's called Darico and it is an actual device.

[00:25:56]>> So, it is the humble haro.

[00:25:58]>> Yeah.

[00:25:59]>> No, it's a it's a it's a good device.

[00:26:01]>> And um yeah, on a daily basis, I guess.

[00:26:03]Um and then I what I've found is there's certain therapies that really help.

[00:26:08]Talking therapy doesn't help me at all.

[00:26:10]Doesn't make me feel. But things like Reiki, sound healing, um stuff. Yeah, those in particular.

[00:26:19]>> Boxing. No, >> don't you think?

[00:26:21]>> Only thing boxing did me was give me like a >> can get a lot of aggression out with that.

[00:26:29]>> Sound healing. Gorgeous.

[00:26:32]Engage in it as well.

[00:26:33]>> What was it?

[00:26:33]>> Sound healing.

[00:26:34]>> He's a musician.

[00:26:35]>> Are you deaf? Actually, because of his.

[00:26:38]>> No. What? Even you said it in the com.

[00:26:40]>> No. Of course. Roger's going to be a bit deaf. He's been a bloody rock band for 50 years.

[00:26:45]>> Infredo. Yeah. Ain't it? Yeah.

[00:26:47]>> Oh, so Sam feeling don't mean [ __ ] to him then, is it?

[00:26:52]>> Yeah. Speak up.

[00:26:55]>> But it is though, Rod. It must be a It must be an affliction.

[00:26:59]>> Speakers and those bank every day, day in day out decades.

[00:27:04]>> And then I a man in Harley Street taught me how to deal with tinus.

[00:27:11]>> Tell us tell us. But then we we don't have to pay. It's all in there and it's the filters at the in the brain and uh you have to look at it as because it's very annoying and it comes in on worst normally when you're tired or stressed >> and then there's a million crickets going on with clicks and clacks >> and you got to you have to welcome it as a friend >> and then you actually just stop for a minute or a sec a few seconds and you really concentrate on listening to it.

[00:27:42]Before you know it, it's gone because the filters just anxiety >> goes up.

[00:27:49]>> Yeah. Honestly, that really that really helped me and I don't have it anymore.

[00:27:54]The thing is the tinus can be brought on by just the mention of it >> and then suddenly that horrible >> must be so irritating. I was saying to last week I was filming with Bob and I pointed out to him that in most a lot of films in the 60s7s and into the 80s if if you captured someone and put them in a room all you needed to do to make them break was playing a noise like you and within seconds they'd be going >> but if you've got that in your mind tinus blime me I can imagine >> the more you worry about it the worse it gets.

[00:28:28]>> Yeah I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:30]>> But yeah, that kind of, you know, >> oh >> yeah.

[00:28:34]>> So that's it. You just accept it.

[00:28:36]>> You accept it as a as a friend. You welcome it. Ah, that's the electrical activity happening in my brain. And it's without within 30 seconds. You don't even realize it's gone.

[00:28:49]>> It really worked for me.

[00:28:51]>> Did he say or she? Um although >> Yeah.

[00:28:55]>> What causes it?

[00:28:57]>> Yeah. Um basically uh you you've damaged the the fine hairs in the coccleia, >> right?

[00:29:06]>> And uh so the filters are opening up that so that you're trying to detect more more sound.

[00:29:15]>> But the trouble is that lets in all the background noise, which is what it is.

[00:29:19]It's background noise.

[00:29:21]>> Yeah.

[00:29:21]>> Yes. Kind of. Wow.

[00:29:23]>> And so really Yeah. Yeah.

[00:29:25]>> Have you tried ear defenders? Because I gave some to a PT at the gym, flare audio. You remember we gave a lo of Johnny Vegas and they stopped his tinitus. It was wasn't it sound blocking but reducing and he suffered with really bad tinus and it >> Yeah, >> that's very good. I don't know how that works.

[00:29:42]>> We'll give you some and I couldn't find >> I don't I don't suffer anymore.

[00:29:46]>> You don't need It's gone. Wow.

[00:29:48]>> No, >> that is fantastic. And I suppose you embracing it is like oh hang on actually I need to listen to my body a bit more.

[00:29:54]I'm a bit stressed.

[00:29:55]>> Yeah. Take a step back.

[00:29:57]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:29:58]>> Yeah. Because you get >> really works.

[00:30:00]>> You get stressed, but he doesn't say when he's stressed or >> No.

[00:30:05]>> He internalizes everything.

[00:30:06]>> Starts throwing furniture around playing the drum.

[00:30:09]>> That's when Chelsea leaves.

[00:30:11]>> Yeah.

[00:30:12]>> Well, I I can actually um just mindlessly watch the television.

[00:30:18]>> He's very good at >> Well, you are a Chelsea fan, aren't you?

[00:30:20]internalizing >> stress and anx why do you internalize the stress what >> internalize your stress >> I don't think I do internalize it particularly it's just I can sort of relax out of it >> when I zen >> I remember when I was a kid and and there was a lot of you know row going on at home and the domestic front uh which is miserable for kids uh just used to retreat into the television uh and I'd black out blank out everything else or my William books >> which I loved.

[00:31:00]>> I know you you're a reader, aren't you?

[00:31:03]I know you got a big book collection.

[00:31:04]>> I do like >> He'll be reading three books at any given moment.

[00:31:09]>> Simultaneously.

[00:31:11]>> He'll literally pick one up, put it down, then start reading >> using my third eye. Does he >> enlightened indeed?

[00:31:20]Bloody hell. John Thompson quoted um Kung Fu Panda. What was it? He came out with a proverb and he was like, "Oh, you know the one. You know the one. Kung Fu Panda." And I'm like, "Oh, for [ __ ] sake."

[00:31:31]>> Surely Confucious. Kung Fu Panda.

[00:31:34]>> Kung Fu [ __ ] panda.

[00:31:36]>> What?

[00:31:37]>> The phrase.

[00:31:38]>> Yes. I know. I'm having a go at John, not you.

[00:31:40]>> All right, I'll get you.

[00:31:41]>> God dear.

[00:31:43]>> Do you see how mean he is to me compared to how Roger is to you? I haven't noticed anything.

[00:31:50]>> Thank you very much. I mean, see the language, you know, >> having gone through a late diagnosis.

[00:31:57]>> What advice or reassurance would you give to other women navigating that same experience? Cuz I am inundated with emails, you know, LinkedIn messages, Instagram saying, "I'm 65. I've just been diagnosed. I'm 72. I'm 59." You know, a lot of older women and like they were convinced that they were going nuts. And actually it was often a combined autism ADHD diagnosis. So what any words to offer up of like you're not alone and >> Yeah. So I think what what I've done um to help me as well is I've joined um some online uh women's groups. Oh, so that will meet um I mean you've got the National Autism Society >> um group and and then your local areas will have groups as well and they have meetups and they do online um you know say once a month or but you know if you join more then there's more to do.

[00:32:53]>> Yeah.

[00:32:54]>> Um >> you know this Friday there's a meet up at a garden close to us.

[00:32:59]>> Oh wow.

[00:33:00]>> For autistic adults. Um so there's things and um the ADHD I think the way I manage that is with medication. Um and I think also I think with a with a late um diagnosis I think there is there is a bit of sadness that comes with it because you realize that sorry >> no it's all right. No, you exactly. It's must be Yeah. Very a um >> tissue.

[00:33:34]>> Sorry.

[00:33:34]>> Got tissue.

[00:33:35]>> No, that's right. I mean, it's you know, it's understandable. It's like >> massive tissue.

[00:33:41]>> You know, as you say, you suddenly find a reason >> for um you know, so much of the pain and you think, well, I >> just you know, I could have had help with that.

[00:33:52]>> Yeah. I think it just it's just the realization that um >> I wasn't overreacting when I was younger or I wasn't um >> you know the things I was feeling were real >> because I bet they were dismissed a lot of the time as well or ignored.

[00:34:08]>> Yeah. especially if you're kind of high functioning and getting on with stuff >> and having to hide the way you feel because >> you think that it's weak or it's you know that's >> you know and I I I and I learn I learned um I guess you learn scripts in your head that you'll you'll say you know I'll pre-practice things I'll say before I meet people just to make sure I have something to say And I guess realizing that that's not everybody who does that. There's also, you know, there's >> many do that.

[00:34:46]>> I think I was going to say probably you're not as alone in that. I'm sure.

[00:34:50]You know, >> social media is saturated with scripts to use for people that find it difficult. And it's so lovely to see because back in the day there was none of that acknowledgement, >> you know. And I think what's what's helped as well, I think if I have a meltdown or a shutdown or something that in the past, as Ro said, he'd say, "Oh, come on, pull yourself together. Get on with it." But now that he he you he's actually starting to read about there's certain phrases to say or words to say and ways to speak to someone who's having a meltdown.

[00:35:24]>> And I didn't realize how common it was.

[00:35:27]>> It Yeah. And he was brushed under the carpet and or you know sort of tucked away.

[00:35:33]>> Yeah.

[00:35:33]>> And as you say just pull yourself together.

[00:35:35]>> Yeah.

[00:35:36]>> You know but but you know we are of that time as well Roger. You know what I mean? You know >> then you know in my day.

[00:35:44]>> Yeah. No it's true. No but you know if you grow up with that it's very difficult to sort of go oh I need to reassess >> the way >> the way the world is and the way I respond because you're a high achieving bloke as well. So you're thinking well I've done all right you know so you do have to deconstruct it and we know with the language >> it's the language >> you know the language around you know mental health changes you know or or gender or race or whatever it changes all the time and it is >> difficult to keep up there's a lot to take on board and most people don't want to offend >> but it's still there's so much to to keep up with isn't there >> sometimes you got to ignore it >> sometimes you have but also it's also kind of I when people talk about certainly with gender and stuff like that. I think well hold up. We grew up with like Lou Reed and David Bowie who were very gender fluid.

[00:36:34]>> Yeah.

[00:36:35]>> 50 years ago. So it's not it's actually not a big thing to take on in a way.

[00:36:40]>> No. Well, our band, you know, Yeah. I mean, um Freddy get Freddy and that bloody >> dear departed singer.

[00:36:50]>> What was his name again? Can't remember.

[00:36:54]>> Farooq Freddy. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:56]>> Bulsara. Yeah.

[00:36:58]>> Mr. Bulara. Yeah.

[00:36:59]>> Yeah.

[00:37:00]>> So, yeah. So, get support. Like, definitely get support because I think that's one of the things I found was I got these diagnosis and the the diagnosis 85 pages long. The other one I think was 64 pages long. I mean, >> blam me ADHD. You wouldn't get through about four pages, would you?

[00:37:17]>> I skimmed I skimmed through them because there was, you know, and also reading all of that about yourself.

[00:37:24]It's quite traumatizing actually.

[00:37:26]>> Well, you're vulnerable anyway, aren't you? And then you read this about >> you're just answering questions, >> you know, in your way that you're answering and then obviously my mom my mom had to answer a >> a load of questions. Roger had to >> so >> and then we drag you in >> and then Yeah. And so I think reading that as well and then you're kind of left with >> this stuff and you think, well, now what? And I think the only way >> to deal with that is to to make sure you get support. um you know join some forums. I I don't I find it quite difficult to be part of groups of people that I don't know but I am doing it just to hear other people's stories so that you don't feel you know that you're alone.

[00:38:07]>> Friends are important.

[00:38:08]>> Friends are my friends are literally so important to me and and friends.

[00:38:14]>> Oh drive me around and bend.

[00:38:17]>> That's such a great you know.

[00:38:19]>> No that's relatives.

[00:38:20]>> Yeah. Oh yes. Sorry. That's family, isn't it?

[00:38:22]>> Yeah. The ones you can't choose.

[00:38:25]>> Love my friends. My family.

[00:38:27]>> No, it is very it's it's I'm drawing a sort of Darth parallel here. But like with um >> addiction, you know, aa you know people I've spoken to, you know, they >> if you don't go to the meetings, >> you are not in the room with other people. You're very likely to slip back in. thing with autism as well is is that you do it you do find it difficult to socialize and be in groups. So you've really got to find a safe space and um >> uh you know something that works for you. But when I got uh diagnosed I did I composed a a message that I then sent out to my friends because I wanted them to just know, you know, I didn't want to carry on having to pretend >> Yeah.

[00:39:14]>> with them. So, and what that allowed me to do was it then allowed me to take time out. So, now I'm not afraid to say, "Oh, I need to take 5 minutes out or 20 minutes out. I'm going to leave the room because people will understand now."

[00:39:28]Whereas before I would just push through, push through and then have a meltdown or shut down and push through.

[00:39:32]And now I So I it almost gave my I gave myself permission to to take time out by by sending those messages to people. And how did that small act feel? Because for me it's like, "Oh, [ __ ] hell. It doesn't have to be torture." Yeah.

[00:39:48]>> It's it's quite enlightening, isn't it?

[00:39:50]It's like, "Oh, this is good."

[00:39:53]>> And it's such a seemingly simple act, but it means so much for you and your mental health in terms of [ __ ] preserving it. And actually, then people can help you more effectively as well.

[00:40:04]>> Yeah.

[00:40:05]>> What have your family been like? Have they been receptive? like have there been any apologies or have they always been okay?

[00:40:11]>> Um, no. I think I have a very kind of open understanding family. So, you know, very kind of forward thinking. Um, >> they just like Yep. Okay. Yeah. Or cuz I mean I think they're pretty all we're all much the same. I think in my >> I was going to say it's highly genetic so I'm sure you're not on your own with the neurody divergence in in in that regard.

[00:40:36]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:40:37]>> Like my mom wishing me the best and get well soon. I'm like you can [ __ ] talk. Yeah. In Turkish. Get >> your fault. Get me. You've got it as well. And she's like, >> "No, no, I'm fine." Oh, but good luck anyway.

[00:40:55]>> Good luck.

[00:40:56]>> It's quite hard sometimes to think, well, hang on a minute. Why am I bothered with all this? I I should just take it take it easy. You find that hard? I find it very difficult.

[00:41:07]>> Do you feel lazy and last got to be busy? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because our self for me selfworth depends on productivity. And if I don't feel I'm being useful for society and I don't deserve to live.

[00:41:20]>> Yeah. That's what I'm like. You know, I'm [ __ ] I'm no good at this and I haven't done that. And because you were always made to feel stupid.

[00:41:28]>> Yeah. I was me anyway.

[00:41:30]>> Yeah. I wasn't made to feel stupid and I never >> I just had very very um high ideals for myself. So I put so much pressure on myself.

[00:41:41]>> Well, ballet dancing for a start. I mean that is a brutal introduction to life as I started ballet at the age of three and I think I think what it did was it taught me routine and and discipline which is great but it also >> yeah the pressure that that puts >> and the body image as well from such a young age.

[00:42:00]>> Wow your feet go.

[00:42:02]>> Yeah, of course.

[00:42:03]>> And your mind. Two reasons not to do ballet by Paul White House.

[00:42:08]>> Feet and mind.

[00:42:10]>> Is that your new pamphlet? It's >> my new It's just a pamphlet. I was going to say book, but it's not really, is it?

[00:42:17]>> No, it's a leaflet.

[00:42:18]>> And it won't stand up to much scrutiny.

[00:42:20]>> Like a leaflet.

[00:42:21]>> Yeah.

[00:42:22]>> Just one page leaflet.

[00:42:23]>> Yeah, exactly. Flying.

[00:42:27]>> Can I ask Ro a couple of questions now?

[00:42:30]>> Are you going to find >> I'm going to ask about his mental health? Cuz one, he's not going to say anything about it.

[00:42:34]>> He might.

[00:42:36]We'll ask Serena then. Is he Is he a bonkers as well?

[00:42:41]>> [ __ ] You're a drummer. It's but it's widely acknowledged, Rod, that all drummers are a little bit >> Well, you got to you know the Trogs tapes, don't you've heard the Trogs tapes? [ __ ] drummer. Are you [ __ ] You got to have one [ __ ] mind on it.

[00:43:03]I [ __ ] know. And I'm the guy can't [ __ ] get it red. It's embedded in there. And I'm the [ __ ] who's [ __ ] playing it.

[00:43:12]>> He's so good at it. to cry laugh.

[00:43:14]>> Honestly, same when you listen to it as the band.

[00:43:18]>> Absolutely.

[00:43:18]>> Oh my god. We used to listen to it's the honest funniest thing you have to watch.

[00:43:26]>> And then I was I was going to say Pete Dud as well.

[00:43:30]>> We have an hour of all that.

[00:43:32]>> Absolutely. But that the Trogs is just superb. Did you We had one [ __ ] mind on it, you know. Not [ __ ] seven and [ __ ] eight. Sprinkle a bit [ __ ] piss over the B or piss over the tapes.

[00:43:45]They're so lumping, don't they? But it's I don't know. I mean, men swear a lot, but how they managed to get [ __ ] [ __ ] in every word. Even like a one syllable word, they seem to be out here squeeze a [ __ ] It's absolutely incredible. But but you know, a drama is a by word for >> a little bit.

[00:44:05]>> Well, I I like to think we are the we're the ones with the fire. Well, >> well, one thing I will say about Rogers, um, and something he's, you know, the way he gave me a safe space is he's so consistent with his, um, emotions and your mood. You're very consistent and that allows for a very safe space.

[00:44:26]>> Yeah. You know, I think it's very helpful.

[00:44:29]>> I agree. I'm pretty similar. I don't laughter handle or anything like that.

[00:44:33]>> No matter how much I do, he doesn't.

[00:44:36]Yeah. But you don't with me. with this, you know, cuz we're >> [ __ ] >> No, you don't you don't rise to it, you know, no matter how >> disregulated I am. And you've seen me lose my [ __ ] man. But you're still that steady kind of >> Yeah.

[00:44:56]>> And it does hit your >> Do you think it's got something to do with >> the male?

[00:45:00]>> I do wonder hormonal difference.

[00:45:04]>> Is it unfashionable to say that?

[00:45:06]>> No.

[00:45:07]probably wary of saying the the testosterone male testosterone that's ruining the world right now and then they and yet women with their hormones are going out of all crazy and mad and insane.

[00:45:20]>> Okay, good point.

[00:45:21]>> Whereas testosterone is ruin but >> me and Ro aren't out there bombing anywhere.

[00:45:25]>> It's got a lot to blame for. But >> mind you, give me the opportunities a few people I'd take out.

[00:45:32]>> Yeah.

[00:45:33]>> Yeah. But you're subject to more to cyclic hormones, you know.

[00:45:39]>> You're just subject to nuclear bombs.

[00:45:42]>> Yeah.

[00:45:42]>> Yeah. No, I think men are awful on the whole, actually.

[00:45:46]>> So do I.

[00:45:47]>> So do I.

[00:45:48]>> I mean, pretty horrible lot. There's a few around at the moment.

[00:45:51]>> Yeah. Aren't there?

[00:45:53]>> Yeah.

[00:45:53]>> But men would You'd quite enjoy the destruction of the planet. I I know.

[00:45:58]We're just trying to deliver it for you.

[00:45:59]It's coming from a place of utter dismay and hopelessness in that. Okay, World War II already. Just bring it on because >> we sort of deserve it.

[00:46:08]>> I kind of But that's nihilism, isn't it? Um, I don't know. I don't think it is.

[00:46:16]>> I don't either.

[00:46:17]>> Wow. You know, there's I have to say, and I'm I can be very cynical, but there's a lot of good in the world. You know, if you think about it, how on earth we coexist really, >> you know, how how do people manage a bus journey without going, "That bloke just sniffed. He's getting right on my nerves. He's coughed again. I'm going to lamp him in a minute, you know." But it but people do coexist.

[00:46:40]>> And I think they're actually manipulated and maneuvered into these conflicts, >> you know, with stupid ideologies. I won't go into them here, but you know, you know what they are.

[00:46:50]>> I wouldn't mind going into that. We'll do our own podcast, shall we?

[00:46:55]>> There you go.

[00:46:55]>> Shall we stop religion now?

[00:46:58]>> Yes. Absolutely.

[00:46:59]>> I want to ask Rod just a quick dramas.

[00:47:01]Roj, who's your favorite drama? Keith Moon.

[00:47:04]>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I loved him.

[00:47:05]>> No, I know you love Well, now come on.

[00:47:08]There's an >> First time I saw him and who wouldn't love Keith Moon. A wild abandoned. It was a beautiful ballet.

[00:47:14]>> Yeah.

[00:47:15]>> And I loved I loved everything.

[00:47:17]>> I know you did. Yeah. But he I mean >> more than Ginger Baker, Moon Over Baker.

[00:47:21]Sorry. No, he's a miserable old [ __ ] >> Traumatized.

[00:47:25]>> Well, I think Keith was a little bit dodgy, wasn't it?

[00:47:28]>> No, he was absolutely wonderful human being.

[00:47:34]>> U do you know who I like which he don't get a look in very often, but I think Ian Pace was a brilliant >> Pace. Ian Ian's great.

[00:47:42]>> He's really good.

[00:47:43]>> He's one of the best.

[00:47:44]>> Yeah, >> one of the best. Whereas Mitch Mitchell?

[00:47:46]>> Yeah.

[00:47:47]>> Obviously John Bottom.

[00:47:48]>> I mean, these were great. There ain't nobody like that. No, >> your son.

[00:47:53]>> My son is absolutely phenomenal.

[00:47:55]>> Yeah. But they're very few.

[00:47:57]>> Very few and far from between.

[00:47:59]>> Do you like Steve G?

[00:48:01]>> Technically brilliant, but not a lot.

[00:48:02]Yeah. Not very. I thought you might.

[00:48:04]>> I've seen him play and I thought that's a bit sluggish.

[00:48:09]>> Sluggish Steve. I thought >> you got the right to criticize me.

[00:48:12]Really? I can't >> ask for this bit to be cut.

[00:48:15]>> No. I saw him play with Eric Clapton and I thought, "Bloody hell, they sound like a >> a pub band on on on Ro Hypnot."

[00:48:24]>> All right, I'll ask for this bit to be clapped as a mate.

[00:48:29]>> Eric Eric's a wonderful player. Yeah.

[00:48:32]>> So, yeah. So, who would be who would be your >> who would be your top drummer then?

[00:48:37]>> Top Well, in my field, it would be John Bonham. Yeah.

[00:48:41]>> Oh, Bonsai. Right. I love >> Everyone goes for Bonsai, didn't they?

[00:48:45]Well, he was the he was the best.

[00:48:46]>> I'd go for Ian Pace personally. I' >> I'd go for Roger Taylor.

[00:48:52]>> Sorry. That's what I meant. Roger Taylor.

[00:48:55]>> Do you know I've seen you Rod with three vocalists.

[00:49:00]>> I saw you twice with Freddy.

[00:49:02]>> Wow. Okay.

[00:49:03]>> Yeah. One once. Hard park. Got there really late. Once I think it was Wembley Arena around about the same >> the same year or around about then. But I had gastroenteritis that day. So I didn't see a lot of you.

[00:49:15]And then as I say got to hide park really late so just got the last 20 minutes.

[00:49:19]>> Yeah. When we were we were chucked off stage the cops >> the cops freaked out and they said we have to getting unsafe gig was it >> bundled us into a van. It was massive.

[00:49:32]There was a lot of people.

[00:49:33]>> It was a lot of people there. And then I've seen you obviously with Adam Lambert.

[00:49:37]>> Yeah.

[00:49:38]>> And I've also I saw you a couple of times with Paul Rogers cuz I love Paul.

[00:49:42]I think he's got an amazing voice. I love Paul's voice.

[00:49:45]>> Paul or Adam?

[00:49:47]>> For me, Paul Rogers because I loved all his stuff with free and bad company.

[00:49:50]Fair enough.

[00:49:51]>> Paul was blues and soul.

[00:49:53]>> Blues and soul. He's got so much soul, isn't he? You know, I mean, just an incredible voice. I think he's up there with the best.

[00:49:59]>> He's fabulous. We always absolutely loved it. Free. We love free. Oh, fantastic. Wish him well, you know.

[00:50:06]>> Yeah.

[00:50:07]>> Yeah. We used to do that. Yeah.

[00:50:08]>> Did Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've seen you do it live with him. Brilliant. What a singer.

[00:50:12]Amazing. But anyway, I just thought probably not that many. There's probably a few who've seen you >> what >> with with three different vocalists from Lambert and and Rogers. Yeah.

[00:50:23]>> But Adam had a great technically. He was amazing.

[00:50:26]>> 10 years we toured with Adam >> all over the world, didn't we?

[00:50:30]>> Seen him twice or thrice.

[00:50:32]>> Yeah.

[00:50:32]>> Brilliant. Well, we should wind up.

[00:50:34]>> But I've got to ask my [ __ ] Freddy.

[00:50:36]>> Oh, go on in. Go on in quickly.

[00:50:38]>> I love Freddy. I love >> She really loves Freddy. Yeah. Well, we love Freddy.

[00:50:42]>> Yeah. Everybody loves Freddy, didn't they?

[00:50:44]>> What do you most miss about Freddy?

[00:50:47]>> Well, he was kind of my best friend, you know. So, >> just the the humor of the friendship, you know, and we were in a gang together, you know, against the world. It >> conquered the world, mate.

[00:51:05]>> Yeah.

[00:51:06]>> His fabulous humor. Was he always so huge and gregarious and wonderful?

[00:51:11]>> Well, he was, but he was quite shy and >> I know. I never believed that, but >> next you'll be telling me he was gay.

[00:51:20]>> I loved his line about Sid Vicious when he met Sid Vicious.

[00:51:23]>> Thank you, Mr. Ferocious. He called me.

[00:51:27]>> Piss off, senior [ __ ] >> Long live Freddy.

[00:51:31]>> Thank you. It's Simon Ferocious. Well, we're doing our best.

[00:51:36]>> So good. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:39]So Freddy bringing ballet to the match.

[00:51:45]Is that on video anywhere?

[00:51:47]>> No. It was I know that one.

[00:51:54]>> Yeah. Freddy one.

[00:51:57]We were leaving that night and they were all lined up at the back. I'm working class.

[00:52:03]>> Oh god, he was he was such a [ __ ] Um and he used to wear this sort of lock on a chain around his we as we were leaving to go out the door at the back of the studio at Wessix, >> Fred just went and and and fishes went terrified. Oh, that's funny.

[00:52:30]>> Very funny. That's revealing, isn't it?

[00:52:33]>> Very revealing.

[00:52:34]>> Taylor >> Taylor Hawkins.

[00:52:37]>> Oh, my Yeah. My dear friend, one of my dear >> I know how a friendly you were.

[00:52:41]>> And he's he's Rufus's godfather. He was >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah.

[00:52:45]>> And you dedicated your OB to him.

[00:52:47]>> Oh yeah. Well, he he really was. We were close, weren't we? Very.

[00:52:51]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:53]>> He was such a lovely man.

[00:52:54]>> The drummer, wasn't it?

[00:52:55]>> Yeah. It really was brotherhood. And then there's Chad from uh Red Hot Chili Peppers. He's he's another great drummer, mate of both.

[00:53:04]>> Yeah, they're hardcore, man. Do you like Chili Peppers?

[00:53:07]>> Oh, yeah, I do, actually. Yeah.

[00:53:08]>> Yeah. Delila's starting to get into >> I just like the rhythm section. They're fantastic.

[00:53:13]>> He's he's a bit of a worry. I mean, he won't bounce around that long. It's Tigger. Never mind. Tiger Boing.

[00:53:25]>> Right. Let me get through just three questions cuz I really would like to know these. Obviously, I'm reigning it the [ __ ] in, but I adore you and Queen and Freddy. So, I'm trying to be really >> not I don't do professional, but just like what's the word for raining it in?

[00:53:42]>> Composed with my insides is screaming.

[00:53:46]>> No, they are. Cuz every day I'm listening to you. Every night my daughter loves you now. Like I had all your posters from when I was a child and teenager.

[00:53:56]>> Do you still have them?

[00:53:57]>> I don't because we moved but I had like the Bohemian Raps a massive one like well not massive in this but half the size of this wall all across my bedroom like Yeah. So this is big for me man.

[00:54:10]>> Just just a job for me.

[00:54:14]it for years and years.

[00:54:16]>> I want to know did Freddy ever improvise anything on stage that genuinely surprised you or made you scared where you [ __ ] I don't know where to go.

[00:54:27]>> Well, I don't know. We We were good at following, but um yes, he used to improvise a lot. Well, which I thought was great. You can't do it now because they're all playing to clicks.

[00:54:36]>> Clicks and tracks and it >> What's a click? It's a pre-recorded and to like to keep the time and track.

[00:54:43]>> No, but no, we improvise a hell of a lot.

[00:54:46]>> I mean, it always if his mother used to come to a show, he's oh my god, my mother's here.

[00:54:53]>> I I'll have to watch my language.

[00:54:56]>> And he after the first song, he's going, "Welcome you shitty fuckers." I mean, and I remember thinking the very opposite of what he meant to do. It was just like Tourette's. That's funny that you say that because that's one of your questions, wasn't it? If Queen formed today, do you think you'd all be labeled with something? And if so, whom with what? So, Freddy Tourettes. Yeah.

[00:55:20]>> Yeah. But Tourette's doesn't often travel alone. There'd be an ADHD in there.

[00:55:25]>> Yeah, >> possibly. I >> do want to say is it does annoy me when you you said tell someone you've got ADHD or you're autistic and they go, >> "Oh, yeah. We're all on the spectrum now, aren't we? And I'm like, that just diminishes >> and takes away from the the severity of what someone's going through.

[00:55:44]>> Just Serene, we saw you earlier how you reacted when you were, you know, revealing things that, you know, or you know, having to sort of avoid talking about certain things that must really hurt you. So, I know that must be very annoying and offensive. Yeah. So, >> yeah. And then same with ADHD. you know, if obviously people have traits of things. So, everyone might have an autistic trait, but it's a combination, a neurological combination that gives you a diagnosis of autism or ADHD.

[00:56:17]Again, you know, people have traits of ADHD, but it's the way, you know, your traits are combined and how many you have and stuff. So I think that I just I don't it does make me upset when people diminish you know or or kind of >> yeah it makes it less serious for people who do have ADHD or it makes it sound less serious >> and the press do revel in fueling that narrative don't like to say oh the one at one end of the spectrum it doesn't exist but they know so many are being diagnosed or which one is it and I do I do Think though I mentioned earlier on society is heavily to blame for that because it's so narrow and beige in what we're supposed to be like, feel like, and behave like that. Anything deviating remotely out of your norm is oh my goodness.

[00:57:10]>> But I do I do struggle with it being pathized and in a big old >> Bible manual of mental disorders because I don't see ADHD as a mental disorder. I find it very offensive. It's the same with the bipo, you know, uh, borderline personality disorder because, >> you know, things are happening to, you're trying to deal with them and you develop strategies, but you're the one >> to blame for. And I just, it wrankles a lot. And I just see it in the schools, in the prison population, in society in general, >> and and these people, these children and adults are being failed grossly. And I I hope that one day we don't have it in the DSM that it is more accepted and accommodated because it's >> it's not a disorder. That's the thing.

[00:57:58]And the word disorder just of acceptability.

[00:58:03]>> Yeah, it's a real bug bear of yours.

[00:58:05]That disorder is what about John?

[00:58:07]>> What's his neuro?

[00:58:12]>> Easy.

[00:58:14]>> Very very intelligent. Yeah.

[00:58:15]>> Should we give him that then?

[00:58:16]>> He got a first. And uh did he?

[00:58:18]>> Yeah.

[00:58:19]>> And uh he was very good at with money.

[00:58:23]>> This is a nice one. What what and whose behavior inside Queen drove you absolutely nuts at the time, but now you can reflect on and realize it was essential to the magic. Magic.

[00:58:34]>> Oh, see see what she did there.

[00:58:37]>> Yeah.

[00:58:37]>> Cuz I bet you all pissed each other off a lot.

[00:58:39]>> Yeah.

[00:58:40]>> Yeah.

[00:58:40]>> Yeah. Well, no, actually on the whole no. Uh Brian and I used to come to big >> uh um coming to Yeah. Yeah.

[00:58:50]>> Yeah.

[00:58:51]>> And you're the ones left to start working together.

[00:58:53]>> Yeah. Well, we sort of love each other, but >> no, we we did a tour of the far show recently, Rod, as as you know, and uh >> Yeah. You know, we we probably argued a lot more in the early days, you know, and there was lots of sort of errant young behavior, shall we say, you know, which is now people have sort of tried to deal with so that, you know, but we're still six of us on a coach, you know, and we've survived it without any murder.

[00:59:20]>> Yeah.

[00:59:20]>> So far, >> certain things.

[00:59:22]>> One more. Oh, >> what's the most emotionally intelligent thing Freddy understood about human beings that people really still don't fully appreciate?

[00:59:34]>> Good question. M Doctor mean a junk by MBE >> about human beings?

[00:59:39]>> Yeah.

[00:59:40]>> Human condition.

[00:59:42]>> Talk in the context of of the band really. I mean, he realized that we all needed one another uh for the chemistry to work. And I think it was at some point in the uh 80s that he was the one that because there was always arguments about oh I want I've got this song it should be the single this and that whatever what gets on the album etc. And he was the one that said look let's just get put all this to bed and that everything's written by all of us and so it's equal shares and he got that. He completely got that and he realized that we were a band. It wasn't Fred and the others. It was and he'd always say that.

[01:00:24]He says, "Don't call me the leader. I'm the singer." And uh he >> I think that really came across as well because of course he's a towering sort of presence.

[01:00:33]>> But you know, you were you know, you're the drummer and you you are very well known and a very sort of front part of Queen >> as was Brian as well, you know, and even John to an extent, you know. So it I think that came across really did.

[01:00:47]>> I hope so. Yeah, it was a band. Yeah.

[01:00:50]>> Yeah.

[01:00:50]>> It was a good band.

[01:00:52]>> [ __ ] a good band. Yeah.

[01:00:55]>> How are you beans doing, love? Your harose.

[01:00:58]>> Right. Come on. Before we all run out of beans now. Shall I offer this to Serena?

[01:01:03]>> Do you know? Do you know you know this show? These are our beloved buttons of banishment.

[01:01:07]>> So, what do I do?

[01:01:08]>> If you could banish Roger, would you banish?

[01:01:11]>> Would I banish him?

[01:01:12]>> No. No. It >> a joke.

[01:01:15]>> Now, if I could banish Paul.

[01:01:18]Hey, you can banish me any day. Be gone.

[01:01:22]>> So, if you could get rid of your autism and ADHD, would you?

[01:01:28]>> Uh, yes.

[01:01:29]>> Or no. Yes or no?

[01:01:30]>> Or no.

[01:01:32]>> Now, I'm confused.

[01:01:33]>> No, it was very straightforward.

[01:01:35]>> If I If I >> If you had the opportunity with these buttons to get rid of your autism, >> again, that ADHD.

[01:01:42]>> No.

[01:01:43]>> And again.

[01:01:44]>> And again.

[01:01:46]>> No.

[01:01:47]No.

[01:01:48]>> Why is it the sound?

[01:01:51]>> No. N.

[01:01:56]>> If you could get rid of my autism and ADHD, would you get rid of it?

[01:02:00]>> Yes.

[01:02:01]>> Interesting.

[01:02:01]>> Any game, Ro?

[01:02:03]>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[01:02:06]>> Why, Raj? Why?

[01:02:08]>> Well, I I think you'd be more at ease, at peace without it. Oh, but what about all the wonderful things? She's a [ __ ] genius.

[01:02:19]>> She'd still be a genius. What she's saying? And she might find a bit more peace.

[01:02:23]>> She'd still be speaking German, surfing, and and making films and, you know, Yeah.

[01:02:29]>> I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't.

[01:02:31]>> No, maybe you wouldn't.

[01:02:32]>> Well, >> a thank you so much.

[01:02:33]>> Thank you very much. That was absolutely brilliant. Pleasure.

[01:02:37]>> Honestly, it was lovely. Brilliant.

[01:02:39]Well, Dr. M. Chunky Buyer, what a what an episode that was.

[01:02:42]>> Chunky buyer.

[01:02:43]>> Yeah.

[01:02:44]You know, I don't sound like sort of parody.

[01:02:49]>> Anyway, that's not important. We just interviewed Roger Taylor and Serena Taylor.

[01:02:54]>> I know we did. Yeah.

[01:02:56]>> Wow. And that and she didn't use up all her beans.

[01:02:59]>> The beans. I think the beans were great.

[01:03:01]>> Doro.

[01:03:02]>> Hey, that was very good. Dico. 10 beans.

[01:03:05]We're not in the EU anymore. We don't have to say it in French. Sorry.

[01:03:08]>> Turkish on. I don't know what it is in Welsh, but it's 10 beans with a Wax and from there on.

[01:03:14]>> Honestly, in terms of a practical way to manage your stress levels, >> which I thought was brilliant. Well, thank you very much for joining us. Um, for those of you unfamiliar with our podcast, >> I made ADHD.

[01:03:25]>> No, you're not. We've had extraordinary guests on over the past couple of years.

[01:03:29]>> Gary Newman, >> Sir Steven Fry, >> Goldie, >> Helen George, >> Johnny Vegas, >> Johnny Vegas, >> Dr. And >> with vibrators on prescription, no less.

[01:03:41]>> That's a fun doctor, isn't it?

[01:03:43]>> Oh, she was awesome.

[01:03:44]>> Carrie Grant.

[01:03:45]>> Oh, David Grant.

[01:03:46]>> David >> can't do one. Not the average. No.

[01:03:49]>> Johnny Rotten.

[01:03:50]>> John L.

[01:03:51]>> Who did not arrive tipsy at 10:00 a.m.?

[01:03:53]>> It was tipsy at 12. Maybe >> it wasn't 12.

[01:03:56]>> I'm working class.

[01:03:58]>> Dan Thompson.

[01:03:59]>> Oh, Sam Thompson. Yeah. Robert Williams.

[01:04:01]We've done him, haven't we?

[01:04:02]>> Yeah. Matt Hag.

[01:04:03]>> Yeah. Angela Barnes.

[01:04:04]>> Shaka Khan. No, we >> Shappi Koshandi >> Corandi >> Corandi, of course. Andy, >> heartfelt thank you to everyone who's tuned in every week and who's been in touch with us and kept in touch with us over the many episodes. And we look forward to our next series which drops later on in the year.

[01:04:22]>> Indeed. Kind regards and best wishes.

[01:04:24]And uh don't forget that this episode goes out on Spotify and YouTube.

[01:04:30]>> Oh yeah. Oivoir. Tata.

[01:04:33]>> Gleer.