American Mythos: Episode 5 - Wendigo

Added: 2026-05-16

[00:00:03]Welcome to American Mythos, where legends, folklore, and the unexplained creatures come to life.

[00:00:10]>> How we doing, everyone?

[00:00:12]>> Very great today. It's a nice day out.

[00:00:14]And you know what? Sun's shining. And yeah, >> sun's out, buns out.

[00:00:18]>> Right. That's what I'm saying.

[00:00:20]>> 65 degrees out now. We're getting to uh Yeah, the nice >> I reckon it's probably about 80° in here.

[00:00:25]>> So, it's not fun. It is quite warm in here.

[00:00:27]>> Yeah. I mean, right in here, it's just not very fun. and they need to fix that.

[00:00:30]But, uh, yeah, it's all right.

[00:00:32]>> Okay.

[00:00:33]>> Very scary ones.

[00:00:34]>> What? Yeah. What What do we all know about the Wendo? Before we start off, let's let's just >> see what we know.

[00:00:39]>> So, what do you know about the Wendo?

[00:00:41]>> Um, I know from the Supernatural episode in season one where um it became a Wendigo. It was originally a human and it ate another human and it has never had a like a satisfying end to its hunger and it's not forever hungry and it just tries to eat people.

[00:00:58]>> Right. Right.

[00:00:59]Um, I really just know that it uh [snorts] it's cannibalistic. It's big.

[00:01:05]Uh, I know it howls and stuff.

[00:01:08]We'll talk about that later.

[00:01:10]>> Yeah, like howls >> like >> Yeah, like that. Something like that. I think Joe actually has a sound effect.

[00:01:17]>> What's up?

[00:01:17]>> You have a sound effect for that?

[00:01:19]>> Uh, >> for the window scream.

[00:01:21]>> Yeah, we we'll um >> we'll we'll let y'all hear that later.

[00:01:23]>> Yeah, we'll do that later.

[00:01:30]The story was that either a hunter from like either New York or Canada, he went into the woods during the winter time and he was trying to find food obviously. And I believe the story was that he got lost in the woods or he couldn't find food or something like that. So he was forced to eat people, eat other people and you know to survive >> and that led to him becoming a Uendigo and that's where it started. That's just what I heard. I think that's it was a long time ago, so maybe some of the details are fuzzy, but that's uh my story of it from what I've heard.

[00:02:04][clears throat] >> Gabe, what do you uh [snorts] what do you know about the wind to go?

[00:02:08]>> Uh I know that it has like a specific call that it makes. Uh I think the thing with the like howl thing is like the closer it is, like the closer it is, the quieter the howl is. Um I know that like >> the further away it seems, the closer it is.

[00:02:24]>> Yes.

[00:02:25]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:26]It's really all I know about.

[00:02:28]>> We'll get to that later.

[00:02:30]>> And that it's big.

[00:02:32]>> Yeah. 10 to 15 feet tall.

[00:02:35]>> It's actually uh up to 15 feet tall.

[00:02:38]>> Yeah. I wouldn't want to be one of those >> on Yeah. On some accounts, it is up to 15 feet tall. So, >> right.

[00:02:43]>> The Wendo for no for those who don't know, it's a mythological creature u that originated in as early as 1636. I believe the Wendigo uh like I said it stems from I believe 1636 and originates from uh Algonoquin um speaking uh Native American tribes. M >> so it is a uh typically described as a tall hairy beastlike creature with deer like deer antlers uh sharp fangs and claws and um it st it stalks and eats people. But there's another um there's another way it can act and that is to be an evil spirit that can possess a human to make them cannibalistic. which I think is a pretty interesting um concept as well.

[00:03:37]>> So in that sense it acts more like a like a ghost. Would you say >> say more of like a demon? But yeah, >> that is pretty cool.

[00:03:48]All >> righty. [snorts] So like I said, it's hairy. It's beastlike.

[00:03:53]It's very tall up to 15 feet. Uh you know, sharp fang, sharp claws, and it uh you know uh it howls. And there is a in modern culture it uh typically they typically depict its sounds as if it sounds like it's far away it's actually close to you and if it sound if it's very loud and it sounds like it's right next to you it's actually far away. now um that it actually contradicts traditional um wendigo legends that uh that howl uh you know like close actually far away that whole thing is actually more associated with skinw walkers more than >> the one to go.

[00:04:33]>> Yes.

[00:04:35]>> Yeah. And you know I'm going to throw this out there. If you go on YouTube and you search like skinwalker scream or skinwalker yell you'll be able to find a million videos of it. So if you want an idea of that you can go and look it up on YouTube. You can, like I said, find a million videos.

[00:04:49]>> We'll put one up on the screen right now.

[00:04:51]>> Yep.

[00:05:02]All right. So, I actually heard like one time that they they thrive in more of like a colder climate like northern uh northern United States uh during like winters and such.

[00:05:14]>> Yeah. winter is um where they thrive usually. So the Appalachian area especially is like where we believe they are most uh prominent. So do you think they could perhaps survive or thrive in um maybe the Massachusetts winters, >> you know? Maybe it's a maybe it's a possibility.

[00:05:34]>> Oh, that's something we got to watch out for then.

[00:05:36]>> I mean, it does get pretty cold up here.

[00:05:38]>> Dude, this [cough and clears throat] winter was brutal. Oh my god.

[00:05:40]>> Oh yeah.

[00:05:41]>> Snow everywhere. Blizzards everywhere.

[00:05:46]>> Yep.

[00:05:47]>> Pretty brutal. But uh which uh which is actually pretty dangerous for us because uh I've heard that the wendigos actually um they're pretty good at um traveling across snow like very well too.

[00:06:02]>> H how do they uh snow and wooded areas?

[00:06:06]That's how they typically thrive.

[00:06:08]>> How do they thrive there? I feel like it would be harder to go through there, wouldn't it? I'd be swimming through that snow, too.

[00:06:12]>> Right.

[00:06:14]>> 15 feet tall, though.

[00:06:16]>> Yeah, they're like 15 feet tall on some accounts. Yeah.

[00:06:24]>> Um, from what I've heard, they have exceptional eyesight, hearing, smell, and they're they're very fast or very strong, like, you know, not humanike.

[00:06:35]So, I would argue that so far this is uh this is the most dangerous uh crypted that we've been talking so far. Yeah, >> I would say the skinwalker was and you know what I feel like um this sounds like probably like the apex predator, >> right? Really?

[00:06:51]>> You you guys would say >> yeah.

[00:06:53]>> Yeah, for the winter. I mean like like you said 15t tall.

[00:06:57]>> That is pretty good.

[00:06:57]>> Yeah, that is I mean even like grizzly bears don't even stand that tall. So >> yeah. Now how tall was Sasquatch? They say like 9 ft something like that, right?

[00:07:06]>> Yeah.

[00:07:06]>> But >> I do remember from the supernatural episode, the one way [clears throat] to beat it though is like straight up fire.

[00:07:12]>> And like um you ever played the game Until Dawn?

[00:07:15]>> No. No.

[00:07:16]>> That is what popularized the Wendo.

[00:07:18]Yeah.

[00:07:18]>> Yeah. Like it's a pretty popular like um story like story choice game and um the only way to beat it is fire.

[00:07:26]>> So is like the wendo is that like the bad guy that chases you around?

[00:07:28]>> Yeah.

[00:07:29]>> Okay.

[00:07:29]>> Like you got to you got to burn it with fire to >> Okay. or uh incapacitate it or defeat it.

[00:07:35]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:07:36]>> Um >> um traditionally from what I've heard um the only one the only person who could like really subdue or defeat a Wendigo or kill it is a shaman with uh using like uh you know a silver bullet or a silver dagger. You know, we've seen that with like you know werewolves and all that.

[00:07:56]>> Yes. And on other in other legends, the only way to kill a wendigo is to cut its heart out and then burn it in a fire.

[00:08:03]>> That's like that's how you like, you know, kill its evil spirit as well.

[00:08:07]>> So, I'm actually going to bring this back to what we were talking about in I think our Bigfoot episode when we talked about how maybe the Bigfoot was a combination of several Native American cultures and their ideas. So, I think this is actually kind of comes back to it because on our last uh when we talked about Wendigos, right, our episode was uh relatively long, but we talked about how a shaman had to come and defeat it with uh ashtipped bullets or fire or what was it? It was um ash fire. And >> was that >> I think it was iron. I think >> was that big for was that skin walkers?

[00:08:49]>> I think that was skinwalkers cuz I don't remember that. you did when Yeah. But like I'm feel like this is kind of like you there's only like one way to defeat it is with a shaman and the fire or whatever. So I think that kind of leads back to how a lot of their cultures were kind of connected. I like that theory too.

[00:09:04]>> I think that's cool.

[00:09:06]>> Yeah. [snorts] And I think um the fire theory from I I keep pulling supernatural but what I remember from Supernatural is a cool we mentioned on the skin walker episode the fire is like purifying. So the when it goes specifically like weak to it because it purifies like their soul of the hunger and kills them.

[00:09:23]>> I think in a lot of the modern depictions like um have you guys seen the movie the ritual?

[00:09:27]>> The ritual.

[00:09:28]>> Yeah. Um the wendo has like a deer skull for a head and it's like it's like in the well in the movie it has four like walks on four legs. It has like two arms like on where the neck is supposed to be and like it has a deer sculpt with antlers. I like I don't know. if that's like real.

[00:09:46]>> Yeah. So that uh like you said, that's more of a modern kind of depiction. Uh traditionally um I heard that um you know the Wendigo is uh more of like a uh like a fleshy kind of a texture. So not like a deer skull, but they do have deer antlers. And um I believe that people would describe the smell of uh the Wendigo as like rotting flesh, like a like a walking corpse, >> which is really disgusting.

[00:10:18]>> Yeah, that is pretty gross.

[00:10:20]>> So So like imagine that like you're walking through the woods or something, right? And you're just walking down the trail and then you smell like rotting flesh. But I feel like you like that's what I feel like is scary because you could probably brush that off like especially if you're in like bear country or something >> cuz like maybe a bear killed something like and like they left like the remains back or like on the trail or whatever.

[00:10:42]>> Yeah.

[00:10:43]>> So, but like that's what I feel like is scary cuz like your brain would automatically be like, "Oh, that's like terrible smell." But like, oh, okay, well, I'm in bear country or whatever.

[00:10:52]So, you would like brush it off, but it's actually like the wind to go. I think that's kind of what makes it scary, too.

[00:10:59]>> Right. So, uh there was actually a few murders and acts of cannibalism that happened throughout America that were actually blamed on the Wendigo itself.

[00:11:09]>> Really?

[00:11:10]>> Yeah, that is correct. Um there is a case in 1879 in um Alberta where a hunter and trapper named Swift Runner, which first of all, there's no way that's his actual name.

[00:11:23]>> Was he a Native American? No, I believe he was.

[00:11:26]>> Yeah, that is not his real name then.

[00:11:28]>> I know.

[00:11:29]>> Yeah, but uh anyways, that's a really cool name though. Swift Runner.

[00:11:32]>> Oh, yeah. You already know that dude was the fastest around.

[00:11:35]>> Yeah, like like imagine like being named like strong powerlifter. That's basically, you know, that's basically what that name was. Anyways, so he um murdered and cannibalized his family and he claimed >> Yeah. and he claims that a wendigo um came to him in a in a a dream where this evil spirit, this wendo told him to eat his family.

[00:12:02]>> I'd like to add something. Uh he was a swift runner, but maybe he wasn't a swift trapper or hunter.

[00:12:07]>> I guess not.

[00:12:08]>> Yeah. I mean, 187 that guy must have been a not a great shot with his gun or not.

[00:12:13]>> Never mind. I'm getting off. Uh >> anyways, >> because he wasn't a swift tinker thinker either, but I guess not.

[00:12:19]Um, >> so yeah, he was tried, found guilty of, you know, murder and cannibalism. I don't know about about and cannibalism, but you know, definitely murder because he murdered his family >> and he got hung or something.

[00:12:30]>> Yeah, he got hanged later that year.

[00:12:32]>> Hung.

[00:12:35]>> Yeah, pretty uh pretty tragic.

[00:12:38]>> Yeah, tragic story actually.

[00:12:40]>> That's um how many members of his family do you know uh were >> Not sure.

[00:12:44]>> You're not sure.

[00:12:45]>> I'm I'm sure he was like a husband and father. So, >> so Oh, wow. Was it Was it his whole family?

[00:12:50]>> I'm I'm assuming like his household or whatever, but >> Oh, wow.

[00:12:53]>> Did he have like a lot of kids?

[00:12:55]>> Probably. I mean, 1879 people always had like a thousand kids. So, >> yeah. No, >> that's tragic.

[00:13:00]>> Doesn't m Does it matter how many there were? All that matters is that >> Yeah, he did.

[00:13:04]>> He murdered them.

[00:13:05]>> He committed the >> Okay. And what happened after he got hanged? Was there is there a story where he came back and became Wendo? No like supernatural story, but this the Wendo part of it is that he claimed a Wendigo >> came to him in a dream >> as an evil spirit and told him to, you know, do this terrible act, >> brutalize his family and eat them.

[00:13:22]>> And did he know about the Wendigo from the local Indians? Okay. Yeah, because this uh the Wendigo legends um >> you know from 1636 were a huge uh you know huge um like oral history or oral tradition in North America at the time. So he definitely did know about it.

[00:13:44]Um so the term wiggo psychosis was like introduced in the 20th century >> early 20th century.

[00:13:50]>> Yeah. I'm not sure exactly what it was used to describe. I just know it exists.

[00:13:53]Like I read it but I didn't like read the description.

[00:13:55]>> Yeah. So it was used by you know psychologists and missionaries and it was used to describe people who had symptoms such as um delusions of being possessed particularly by an evil spirit. Um depression, violence, uh craving human flesh and in some extreme cases actually cannibalizing another human.

[00:14:20]>> It's uh not fun at all. That was an actual like term that they use.

[00:14:24]>> An actual term that they use. Yeah.

[00:14:26]>> So, what would happen to people like diagnosed with uh what do you call it?

[00:14:30]Wendigo.

[00:14:31]>> Wendigo psychosis.

[00:14:33]>> What would happen? What? I'm assuming they went to life.

[00:14:35]>> Probably straight to the nut house.

[00:14:37][laughter] >> Probably.

[00:14:40][snorts] >> Uh yeah. Uh probably straight to the as Gabe said nutouse.

[00:14:46]>> I would imagine probably the asylum.

[00:14:48]Yeah. like just straight to prison cuz I mean >> I mean yeah >> it was the early 19 it was the early 20th century so >> yeah they didn't really know what to do with those kind of people >> they didn't really believe in mental uh >> so that was early 1900s right early 20 so that so that's cool because the guy that you just said swift runner is that 1870s so um that is cool that it went from the 1600s all the way to even the early 19 or 20th century >> where they kept that became like an actual like medical term. Was that Justin Kenner or was that in the United States as well?

[00:15:22]>> Um I'm sure it was in uh you know again like that general region like north uh you know northern United States but um yeah there was another case [snorts] that I've heard about. I don't know much about it, but it was in I believe 1909 of these two um these two I believe they were brothers and so there's another story I heard of I believe in 1909 where these two brothers I think um murdered and cannibalized I believe their half sister >> really >> something like that and that was in 1909 so that that was >> was this in Canada or America? Um, I'm assuming in I think it was like like southern Canada, like basically on the border.

[00:16:06]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:07]>> Of like the northern uh United States.

[00:16:10]>> That's interesting. So, what happened to them after that? Did they I'm assuming they went to prison or something?

[00:16:14]>> I'm assuming. Uh, yeah. So, um I believe one of them I believe they actually got out of prison.

[00:16:22]>> Really?

[00:16:23]>> And yeah, one of them >> they got out of prison after that.

[00:16:25]>> One of them actually strangled himself and committed suicide that way.

[00:16:29]>> Wow. That is so takes a lot of determination actually.

[00:16:32]>> Yeah, it does.

[00:16:33]>> But I mean also think about it. They were probably like, you know, possessed or you know that's what people believe, >> right? I think that's interesting actually cuz um I think I I do think that is interesting that they actually had to make like a whole new term for people who were like like possessed or whatever with the when to go or they had dreams about it. So, I think that's actually interesting because um that kind of happens now. People say like, "Oh, I'm possessed by the devil."

[00:17:04]Or whatever, right? It's like a common thing. But >> well, it's not super common, but if they want to try to fake being insane, they say that. But >> yeah, like in the Conjuring movie, the devil made me do it.

[00:17:13]>> Really?

[00:17:14]>> Yeah.

[00:17:14]>> I don't know.

[00:17:15]>> That's literally the title of the Conjuring movie. The >> devil made me do it.

[00:17:19]>> Jinx.

[00:17:20]>> I I didn't know that. But um yeah, I do think that is interesting that they were using that as like a >> Yeah. So, >> in place of like the devil made me do it or whatever, >> I'm sure that is a um they definitely renamed it now, but there is a case where um there is a delusion in like a person's mind where they believe they're like a werewolf or whatever.

[00:17:39]>> So, there is a case in Florida pretty recently. I think it was around 10 years ago.

[00:17:45]>> Yeah. where he so he's a college student and he [snorts] was he he was out uh at dinner with his family and then he just walked out like no like no he's he gave no reason. He just walked out and began like walking on the streets or whatever and there is this um there's uh this married couple there they were um out in their garage and you know the door was open and that was like their hangouts uh place cuz they had like a TV and a couch or whatever.

[00:18:13]>> Yeah. and he attacked them. And when the police when the police came um they described him as legit like eating their faces.

[00:18:23]>> Oh my god.

[00:18:24]>> Eating their faces.

[00:18:25]>> Oh, that's disgusting.

[00:18:27]>> Yeah, it's it's disgusting. Yeah.

[00:18:29]>> That's like right out of um what's that movie? The one with the clown.

[00:18:33]>> It >> No, not it. Um >> Yeah, it's it.

[00:18:36]>> No. Uh uh Terrifier, right? That's what it's called.

[00:18:40]>> The one with the black and white clown.

[00:18:41]>> That movie is disgusting. Yeah, it is.

[00:18:43]>> But yeah. Doesn't he do that in the movie?

[00:18:45]>> Yeah.

[00:18:45]>> Yeah.

[00:18:46]>> Yeah. That that's nasty. The first one.

[00:18:48]>> Yeah. The first No, not the I think the second one's like the worst. The most brutal.

[00:18:53]>> No, I think the third one is >> the third.

[00:18:55]>> Yeah.

[00:18:55]>> I didn't know the first three.

[00:18:56]>> I'm pretty sure.

[00:18:56]>> Is it the one where he like pours a salt on her back and [snorts] >> No, that's the second one. The third one. The third one.

[00:19:01]>> No, I'm talking about that one scene in the second one where like he kills Ally in her bedroom and he just like pours a salt and lemonade all over. Oh, >> that that burns. That burns just to think about.

[00:19:10]>> Anyways, um yeah. So that's nasty.

[00:19:14]>> You know, the Wendigo evil spirit uh you know, possessing people to do this like horrendous [snorts] stuff is uh pretty terrifying in my opinion. But >> so did so in that case was did he say did he blame it on the Wendigo?

[00:19:29]>> No, I don't believe so. Okay. He actually doesn't remember he doesn't remember anything from it.

[00:19:34]>> I'm assuming he's in prison now.

[00:19:36]>> He's either in prison or in an asylum cuz I I'm pretty sure they they deemed him insane. I think he took the insanity plate, >> I would think. So, yeah. So, did the couple uh survive or did he kill them and then eat them?

[00:19:50]>> No, they were alive when he began eating. Yeah, it was disgusting. I'm pretty sure both of them unfortunately passed away.

[00:19:57]>> I'm still like kind of confused on the whole psychosis thing. Like what's the difference from main psychosis is like they just eat the person after they kill them. Is that it? when it goes psychosis the person I mean it really depends on the case but >> like what's the most common like >> probablyism but yeah >> but yeah so there's that there's those um accounts of wendigos or um I've been saying wendigos even though I don't I don't know if that's a correct term because there in uh most um legends it is described that it's not just one being it's actually like multiple of them which uh >> yeah so you You don't have to deal with one of them. There's multiple of them.

[00:20:36]But there's accounts where they're evil spirits or they're actual physical beings, which I I think both are um pretty terrifying.

[00:20:47]>> Yeah, I think so, too, cuz like, dude, >> no. [sighs] >> Why Why are we playing that?

[00:20:56]>> Restart, Paul. I think that's pretty scary as well because this I mean I know I keep looping back to it but like this goes back to the skinw walkers right they can be like either evil spirits or like physical things.

[00:21:08]>> So I [clears throat] do think that is um really cool how like once again how like all their cultures kind of like tie together um with like their uh you know like spiritual uh like evil creatures and stuff like I just think that's cool.

[00:21:21]>> Yeah. So >> two >> do we believe is real?

[00:21:26]Paul, would you like to go first or >> like I I do think that it is real to like the traditional Native Americans, the ones who maybe still live on reservations or they still practice like traditional family values, uh traditional Native American values. But [snorts] I mean like in terms of like physical beings, no, not really. I mean like I that's pretty much what I'm going to say for every single one of these. So is probably not no. But I do think that it is very interesting, like a very interesting theory and a very interesting backstory how like it came from the Native American culture, but as soon as um the European settlers like the Paul Jean Jun or whatever, whatever his name was >> um started living with the Alangquins, he experienced it as well with um them, you know, hearing the stories of how it kept eating their um their tribe members. So, I just I just think that's cool like how it um was able to spread through so many people and such a large area as well.

[00:22:29]>> Good.

[00:22:31]>> Um I think I don't want to believe in this one just because of what it is.

[00:22:37]>> Yeah.

[00:22:37]>> I'd rather just chalk it up to as being fake and the psychosis thing is just people randomly snapping, I guess, from under stress or whatever.

[00:22:48]Um, really? Yeah, >> I'd rather not believe in it.

[00:22:54]>> I agree with you. I just want to chalk it up to not being real. I don't want it to be real. And um, I do agree with them. The psychosis thing, the name probably like the name of the description is probably just aligned with the Native American like story and it's just the more most feasible one.

[00:23:09]And people like I'm assuming start with a guy who murdered his family and they just and he said it was a wendo. So they chocked up the new term to that. So they just carried on and I think it just that story, but I think it's just a tale.

[00:23:25]>> Yeah. So again, I do believe this is um definitely the most dangerous crypted that uh we talked about so far because um you know, like Bigfoot seems to be kind of just neutral, you know, just like an animal wanting to be left alone.

[00:23:43]>> Yeah. Uh but the goat man and skinw walkers they're you know they're they're more aggressive but >> from you know these legends and uh especially traditional ones where it's just like it's just a beastlike creature or an evil spirit that causes a lot of murder and cannibalism.

[00:24:03]Uh yeah, but I the physical beings probably not. Uh because there isn't really much evidence other than just uh you know certain depictions. But I mean those are just drawings, you know.

[00:24:18]>> Yeah.

[00:24:18]>> Especially most modern ones, you know, the the deer skull and the the antlers or whatever that just, you know, that's just like >> maybe not fan art, but you know, that's just certain drawings. But yeah, >> the evil spirit. I don't know about the evil spirits either because um >> you know I do believe in uh you know paranormal stuff like uh maybe not possessions but definitely some demonic or paranormal activity but uh like Gabe and Gio said those um you know people who would go insane murder and cannibalize their family. um that is like an actual medical um term that I forget the name of it but it has been documented a lot >> when psychosis >> well it it used to be named that but yeah I'm pretty sure they renamed it but yeah so I don't there's a part of me that um you know kind of wants me to maybe not wants me to believe it but I do think it's a really um interesting concept of you know being like a hybrid it could be a physical being and an evil spirit.

[00:25:24]>> Yeah.

[00:25:25]>> But yeah, I I wouldn't want it to be real. Like imagine um you know, >> I would not want to be one of those things.

[00:25:31]>> Like >> hell no. I just wanted to say I think it's actually the Wendigo story is a lot more scary than other uh cryptons we've discussed on here. I think it's a lot more scary than Bigfoot, Goatman, uh the uh Skin Walkers, whatever. Right?

[00:25:47]Because if you think about it, right, the Bigfoot's just like Bigfoot, he's just a he's just there a guy who just walks around.

[00:25:56]>> Yeah.

[00:25:57]>> Um but like when you get to like the Goatman and like skinw walkers, right?

[00:26:02]Cuz like the Goatman, we don't really >> like what he does like he hurts people.

[00:26:07]He doesn't really kill them, but >> kill them. And it's not it's it's not like he's hunting for them either. Ex.

[00:26:14]>> That's exactly what I was going to It's just when they come to his bridge or they you know what Gabe said last episode where or episode 3 where um you know if you touch this tree then you will encounter them whether you survive or not.

[00:26:26]>> Yeah. And I mean like his his followers like the people who do like sacrifices like they sacrifice cats or whatever which is still like you know electric chairworthy but >> um I do think it's a lot more scary with the wendo because it's like he act it whatever actively like wants to die.

[00:26:45]Yeah. And then like it story >> sucks kills eats people or possesses other people to do the work for for them.

[00:26:52]>> Yeah. So I just think it's a lot more like scary to think like that. That's That's why I like this. Um that's why I uh find this particular cryptive very interesting cuz this is like, you know, it's not it's not just mysterious anymore like Bigfoot. Like it's actually like horror. You know what I mean?

[00:27:08]>> Yeah. And you know, Joe, I actually got a question. That guy who uh you know, he went ate a family or whatever, was he uh was he method out or something?

[00:27:15]>> Honestly, yeah, he could have been.

[00:27:17]>> Oh, well, it was Florida, right?

[00:27:20]>> Yep.

[00:27:20]>> Uh actually, um no. Uh >> oh, it wasn't Florida. I thought you said Florida. No, it was Florida. But I meant uh the math out thing. He actually was not on any drugs in his system.

[00:27:28]>> Oh, wow.

[00:27:29]>> Yeah, they did a toxic.

[00:27:30]>> No, no, no alcohol even.

[00:27:31]>> No alcohol, no drugs, nothing.

[00:27:33]>> Wow. He was just He wasn't even tweaking. He was >> They diagnosed him with the uh >> the psychosis or whatever.

[00:27:38]>> We We'll put that up on the screen. That medical condition where a person will believe that they're like a werewolf and that they have to eat human flesh or something.

[00:27:48]>> Yikes.

[00:27:49]>> But yeah, that's why >> like imagine how scary that is though.

[00:27:52]Like you're just chilling in your garage with your parents or your family, whoever, and like some random dude just comes comes in and tries to kill you and eat you.

[00:27:59]>> Yeah, cuz I would be like, I think you brought a knife with them, too.

[00:28:02]>> Yeah, dude. I'd be like, "No, hell no."

[00:28:03]I just I just walk back in my house.

[00:28:05]Nope. Hell no. You can stay out there.

[00:28:07]>> I'm trying to help them. [laughter] >> I'm good.

[00:28:09]>> Stay out there, bro.

[00:28:10]>> Yeah.

[00:28:11]>> What do we think is scarier? Either the physical being part of the Wendigo or the evil spirit?

[00:28:18]>> The evil spirit all the way.

[00:28:21]>> This is tough though. I'm kind of 50/50 cuz like the evil spirit if it like goes into people like you said like the dude who went ate people like you wouldn't even know like that guy who could have >> we don't even know what happened like maybe he just walked up to them and was like hey guys how you doing acted friendly >> yeah it's like movies it's like the spirit travels pretty >> I will mention >> exactly >> I will mention he uh when they asked him why he uh attacked these two particular people he saw um the woman and he said that He thought that she was like a witch or whatever and that he needed to kill her or something like that.

[00:28:56]>> Yeah.

[00:28:57]>> I think that's an interesting thing to add. But >> like bro, >> yeah, you're saying I'm also 50/50 like >> you know the the evil spirit cuz you'll have no idea like it turns your life around. Like >> we don't know if like Gio or whoever could just all of a sudden >> what I do >> and exactly like one it's like you would never know if like a random person is the one to go but it's also if you're walking through the woods you see something that's 15t tall.

[00:29:18]>> Yeah. like a physical and it's a lot faster. It's a lot stronger than you like >> tuck your head between your legs, kiss your ass goodbye.

[00:29:25]>> Exactly. [laughter] >> Cuz at that point, like you can't really outrun it. So >> Mhm.

[00:29:30]>> Yeah. So >> yeah, I'm 50/50 on it.

[00:29:32]>> Exactly. What What about you guys?

[00:29:36]>> Yeah. I don't I really want to believe it's not true.

[00:29:38]>> Yep.

[00:29:40]Well, which part of it do you think is more scary?

[00:29:42]>> Physical being already saw it.

[00:29:45]>> Okay. What about you, Gabe?

[00:29:47]>> No, spirit, bro.

[00:29:48]>> Spirit. Okay.

[00:29:49]>> Yeah.

[00:29:50]>> All right then. All >> righty. So, do we think that's a uh good way to end things off?

[00:29:55]>> I think so.

[00:29:56]>> All right. That's preferable. All righty.