Arrogant Wife Stabs Husband, Conveniently Forgets Where She Put The Knife

Added: 2026-05-14

[00:00:00]Believe me, I'm trying to get it straight in my head. I'm trying to figure out, okay, what did I do?

[00:00:05]>> Did I really hurt her?

[00:00:08]>> I don't need help. I swear I just need medical attention. Please, I don't need psychological help. I don't need mental help. I'm fine. I just I just need >> it. I remember him telling me he was going to kill me.

[00:00:25]>> He said he was going to kill you.

[00:00:26]>> Yeah. And I said I'm ready to go to Maja. I remember that. What's that?

[00:00:31]What?

[00:00:31]>> I'm ready to go to Valhalla.

[00:00:36]>> October 28th, 2019. Neilsville, Wisconsin. Just after 2 a.m., a frantic 911 call sends police speeding through the quiet streets. Officers rushed to an apartment building where a jealous rage has erupted into violence, leaving two people stabbed and fighting for their lives.

[00:01:09]Where? Get rid of the dog. Get rid of the dog.

[00:01:14]>> Bear. Back up.

[00:01:18]Back up. Bear.

[00:01:22]Bear.

[00:01:25]What the hell? Sit down. Sit down. Sit down. Sit down.

[00:01:35]I got STABBED SOME some some big lady. AND >> WHERE NAME NAMED SHANNON?

[00:01:44]>> SHANNON.

[00:01:45]>> I I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HER NAME.

[00:01:47]>> WHERE DID she Where was this?

[00:01:49]>> She She lives above the press. I SWEAR SHE TRIED to [ __ ] kill me. And I don't know why.

[00:01:56]>> Okay, breathe. Slow down.

[00:01:58]>> I don't know.

[00:01:59]>> Okay. What's your name?

[00:02:00]>> Jolie. I I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE'S TRYING TO [ __ ] KILL ME.

[00:02:05]>> I THINK THERE'S A little alcohol and medication program here. Jolie, I know you.

[00:02:10]>> I am not doing anything wrong. Uncle Mike, >> I think YOU NEED HELP.

[00:02:16]>> I DON'T NEED HELP.

[00:02:19]>> I DON'T NEED HELP. I swear. I JUST NEED medical attention. Please.

[00:02:24]I don't need psychological help. I don't need mental help. I'm fine. I just I just need to be >> Where did you live?

[00:02:35]>> In Risen Rapids.

[00:02:36]>> And how did you get here? What did you get here for?

[00:02:40]Why did you come here? To get Yeah.

[00:02:43]Yeah. Yeah. To solve another to solve a run away FROM ANOTHER PROBLEM.

[00:02:49]>> NO, I'M NOT. PLEASE. You don't understand. I >> The only time you come here is when you got problems. The only time you come here and see grandma Mikey is when you got problems.

[00:03:00]>> Uncle Mike.

[00:03:01]>> Yes, sir.

[00:03:02]>> Please. Uncle Mike, you got to understand. I'm trying to I'm trying >> I'm trying to explain I'm trying to explain situation.

[00:03:15]>> What is your What is your last name?

[00:03:17]What is your last name?

[00:03:20]I'm trying to explain. Are you still talking to me? I swear to God, I'm trying to explain.

[00:03:27]>> Okay, explain it to me.

[00:03:28]>> Let me explain.

[00:03:29]>> Relax.

[00:03:33]>> Bear.

[00:03:34]>> Okay.

[00:03:37]>> Explain. Explain it to me. What happened?

[00:03:40]>> I don't know.

[00:03:43]I really don't know. I'm serious. I don't know.

[00:03:49]Something happened. I don't know what happened. I swear to God. I don't know.

[00:03:56]>> Where did this happen?

[00:03:58]>> In the apartments above the press building right over here.

[00:04:02]>> Yes. Yes. I [ __ ] ran here.

[00:04:06]>> What are you What were you doing up there?

[00:04:09]>> I was waiting for Sammy to come get me.

[00:04:12]>> Sammy who?

[00:04:15]I was waiting for Sammy to come get me.

[00:04:18]>> Where do you live?

[00:04:20]>> I live in Wisconsin.

[00:04:22]>> How did you get here in No, >> dropped me off in Black River this morning so I could see. My boyfriend dropped me off in Black River this morning.

[00:04:33]>> Who's your boyfriend?

[00:04:42]Please, can I have something to stop the bleeding? I'm begging you. Please.

[00:04:45]>> You're not You're not bleeding.

[00:04:46]>> Yes, I am.

[00:04:47]>> You're pushing on it. It was not bleeding a minute ago.

[00:04:50]>> Don't Don't push on it. You're not bleeding. Ser, when you push on it, that's when it bleeds.

[00:04:56]>> I'm so [ __ ] scared out of my mind.

[00:05:02]My best friend's dad's.

[00:05:05]>> Oh, now we're going. Yeah.

[00:05:06]>> My best friend's >> Now we're going to go into a different program. Best friend and this and that is going to be a self-pity [ __ ] >> No. And it's not a self-pity [ __ ] Uncle, please understand.

[00:05:19]>> I understand. I I do. I do understand.

[00:05:22]>> Kill the lights.

[00:05:24]>> And your headlights.

[00:05:25]>> I don't need help. I don't need mental help. I don't need mental help.

[00:05:29]>> I need more help than that. I don't need mental help. I just need physical help.

[00:05:35]>> You wonder why Mikey [ __ ] drinks and folks. That's the problem.

[00:05:41]>> EMS.

[00:05:45]>> I'm so [ __ ] SCARED. OH, THAT'S MY BIRD.

[00:05:49]>> THIS IS YOUR PURSE.

[00:05:50]>> My >> Is your ID in here, ma'am?

[00:05:53]>> It's right here in my pouch.

[00:05:59]I didn't do anything. Officer and Uncle Mike and Aunt Copy 1029.

[00:06:07]>> I didn't do anything wrong. I >> see every time you see that.

[00:06:12]>> No, I didn't.

[00:06:13]>> That's self guilt right there. Don't tell.

[00:06:15]>> No, I'm not.

[00:06:19]The more you say you do. I'm being honest. I'm not You have a scanner here.

[00:06:37]>> I didn't have a scanner here.

[00:06:39]>> Do I have a what >> scanner?

[00:06:41]>> No.

[00:06:42]>> Like it was coming from the back number.

[00:06:44]>> Yeah, >> that's my phone number, but my phone is off. I have my boyfriend's number memorized.

[00:06:54]I've got his number memorized.

[00:06:58]>> So, this is above the press.

[00:07:01]>> Above the press.

[00:07:02]>> Her name is Shannon.

[00:07:04]>> Yes.

[00:07:05]>> I didn't do anything. All I did was sit down and try to have a cigarette.

[00:07:12]>> With the male victim rushed to the hospital, officers now turn their attention to Shannon Liddell. They head straight to her apartment in the same building on North Huitt Street. When they knock, Liddell calmly opens the door.

[00:07:28]Shannon, what's going on?

[00:07:32]I see your hands.

[00:07:36]You >> mind if I come talk to you?

[00:07:37]>> Yes, sir.

[00:07:40]>> What's going on?

[00:07:45]Why don't you have a seat?

[00:07:50]What? Away from the sword. Sorry.

[00:07:52]>> Oh, they are so dull. It's not funny.

[00:07:55]>> Okay.

[00:07:55]>> And so does everything else.

[00:07:57]>> So, what's going on tonight?

[00:07:58]>> Um, caught the husband cheating again.

[00:08:04]>> Okay.

[00:08:04]>> I admit I did it.

[00:08:07]>> What'd you do?

[00:08:08]>> I hurt people.

[00:08:10]>> Who' you hurt?

[00:08:12]>> Tim.

[00:08:13]>> Anybody else?

[00:08:15]>> I threatened somebody.

[00:08:18]>> Okay. What What did you do to Tim?

[00:08:22]It's all right.

[00:08:22]>> I shanked him.

[00:08:24]>> What' you shank him with?

[00:08:27]>> I don't know. Something at his house.

[00:08:29]>> He lives over here.

[00:08:30]>> Mhm.

[00:08:31]>> You guys You guys were married or are married or?

[00:08:34]>> We were handfasted.

[00:08:36]>> We were separated. It's a pagan handfasting. It's marriage without the legal certificate cuz it would just ruin my life.

[00:08:47]>> I know what I did. I'm just going to move these just to make me nervous.

[00:08:51]Okay, >> it's it's fine that they're dull. I get that. But >> I have no beef with you guys.

[00:08:57]>> I mean, legitimately that can still stab me. So, >> yeah, >> I'm going to go in here.

[00:09:01]>> So, how long ago did this happen?

[00:09:05]>> Not long ago.

[00:09:07]>> Okay. So, how many times did you shank him?

[00:09:09]>> I don't know. I was lost.

[00:09:13]I lost it. I'm I did.

[00:09:16]>> So, were you in his apartment? Yes.

[00:09:18]>> Were like were you guys like drinking the night?

[00:09:20]>> I wasn't. They were.

[00:09:22]>> They were. Okay.

[00:09:24]>> And how long ago do you think this happened though?

[00:09:27]>> Hours ago. I don't know. Few minutes ago. I really don't know. I came over here.

[00:09:32]>> I had to lay down. My heart was hurting >> and I have heart problems.

[00:09:39]>> Okay.

[00:09:40]>> I have nitrogen in case it does happen.

[00:09:43]>> Okay.

[00:09:44]Um, so you like were you sleeping and then woke up and went over there or what?

[00:09:51]>> No, I was playing a game waiting for him to come home, >> but he lives over here.

[00:09:55]>> Yes, we were separated for a while and we got back together and >> Okay.

[00:10:02]Um, where was Tim?

[00:10:04]>> He was sleeping.

[00:10:05]>> He was sleeping. Okay. Where was Big Tim when I guess he went over there?

[00:10:11]>> Uh, between a woman's legs.

[00:10:15]Okay. Was she awake?

[00:10:17]>> Yeah, she was wide awake.

[00:10:19]>> How do you know she was wide awake?

[00:10:22]>> Her pants were off. Her legs are in the air.

[00:10:26]>> Okay. But did she say anything at all or >> I kind of >> interrupted?

[00:10:34]>> It blurred at that point. I just lost it. Okay.

[00:10:44]So then what'd you do?

[00:10:49]>> I don't know.

[00:10:51]I wish I had a little body cam to tell you exactly what happened. I'm still trying to figure out >> what I just did.

[00:11:01]>> Okay.

[00:11:01]>> Cuz I just got my [ __ ] together.

[00:11:03]>> What do you mean got your [ __ ] together?

[00:11:07]I I'm just uh things are all lining up. Just got a new car. Just found a new house.

[00:11:15]>> How long you lived here?

[00:11:16]>> A year.

[00:11:17]>> Oh, so you're moving?

[00:11:19]>> I was.

[00:11:20]>> You were? Where are you going to move to?

[00:11:22]>> Me and Tim were getting the big blue house down by Hansen's.

[00:11:27]It's owned by Hansen's.

[00:11:29]>> Big blue house by Hansen.

[00:11:31]>> It's like on the back side. You know where the old liquor department is?

[00:11:34]>> Yeah. There's that like yard and the big blue house.

[00:11:37]>> Oh, really? Oh, >> do you know the address where he's living?

[00:11:46]>> He lives right next door.

[00:11:47]>> Well, he lives like literally right >> number one.

[00:11:50]>> Number one.

[00:11:50]>> Number one.

[00:11:51]>> Yeah, she lives in number two.

[00:11:55]>> I moved him in number one to be closer to me. So, cuz I it was easy to take care of him.

[00:12:00]>> How long has he lived here?

[00:12:01]>> A year. I have never seen him.

[00:12:04]>> That's miracle. He wobbles down the street every night.

[00:12:07]>> Well, I I think I mean I I bet you I've noticed him, but I know I didn't know who he was or what his name was.

[00:12:13]>> Where does he work anywhere?

[00:12:15]>> Cummings.

[00:12:16]>> Does he work like a What shift does he work?

[00:12:17]>> Two to 10.

[00:12:18]>> Two to 10. Does he Who does he drink with after work?

[00:12:22]>> Some guy named Gary and Pat.

[00:12:24]>> Gary?

[00:12:27]Yeah. So, he waddles from Gary's house.

[00:12:29]So, I I've I've seen him. But I just didn't know who he was. How long has Tim live or little Tim lived with him >> the whole time?

[00:12:37]>> No, he just moved in in like April or May.

[00:12:39]>> Okay.

[00:12:42]Okay. Who's Sammy?

[00:12:44]>> That's his daughter.

[00:12:45]>> Sammy, what's her last name?

[00:12:49]Okay.

[00:12:51]Um Okay. So, I guess go through your night.

[00:12:58]Do you did you did you fall asleep at all tonight?

[00:13:03]Did you sleep at all?

[00:13:04]>> No.

[00:13:05]>> Okay. You said you were playing a game.

[00:13:06]What were you playing?

[00:13:07]>> I was playing uh find the game on my computer.

[00:13:11]>> That's what it's called.

[00:13:12]>> No, it's >> Sorry.

[00:13:16]>> I don't know. It's It's a new Halloween game I just put on my computer and >> Okay.

[00:13:21]>> It's a find the objects, you know, find the clues, whatever. It's really boring and time consuming.

[00:13:28]>> Okay. Um, so what time I mean without >> Do you even know what time it is now?

[00:13:35]>> I have ideas of what time it is.

[00:13:37]>> Okay. Um, so from the time that you said you went over to Tim's house and now, how long you think has passed?

[00:13:46]>> I have no idea. Okay.

[00:13:49]Um, >> it I I literally I came over in here.

[00:13:56]I went there. I laid down >> in your bedroom.

[00:14:00]>> In my room. In my bed.

[00:14:02]>> Okay.

[00:14:03]>> Try calming myself.

[00:14:06]And that's what I've been doing.

[00:14:08]>> Okay. So, was there a lot of screaming going on then?

[00:14:15]>> Go to bed.

[00:14:16]>> Okay.

[00:14:18]Um, how many times do you think you shank Tim?

[00:14:23]>> No idea.

[00:14:24]>> Okay. Are you right-handed or left-handed?

[00:14:30]Right-handed.

[00:14:31]>> I don't know. I'm right-handed.

[00:14:34]>> Okay.

[00:14:35]>> But I'm ambidextrous.

[00:14:37]>> Okay. What did you You know what? You shanked them with >> kitchen knives. Okay.

[00:14:44]>> Is it still over there?

[00:14:45]>> Should be.

[00:14:46]>> Should be.

[00:14:52]Did you shank the girl?

[00:14:54]>> No, >> I threatened her. I screamed. Yeah, I think I did scream at her cuz I remember looking at her. And just being very angry. I don't remember actually vocalizing. I just remember >> Did she vocalize to you?

[00:15:15]>> Probably.

[00:15:16]Okay.

[00:15:18]>> So, if if I were to tell you that you shanked her also, would that be correct or not?

[00:15:22]>> I did. What?

[00:15:23]>> If I told you you shanked her also?

[00:15:27]>> I wasn't even worried about her.

[00:15:31]>> You have any Do you have any idea where you shanked him?

[00:15:34]>> No, I don't know where.

[00:15:36]>> Can you point to me?

[00:15:39]>> I really don't know. Okay.

[00:15:41]>> Was he naked or was he Did he have clothes on? Yeah.

[00:15:47]Uh, that thingy had clothes on yet.

[00:15:50]>> Okay, >> I know what she had her pants off >> and I could see her coochie and everything. I mean, >> do you know who she is at all?

[00:16:03]>> Jolie.

[00:16:05]>> Have you met her before?

[00:16:06]>> We played pool earlier tonight.

[00:16:08]>> Where'd you guys play pool?

[00:16:09]>> The bar at the end of the thing.

[00:16:11]>> I know what thing >> at the end of the road. it. So, there's the rooster and then there's the brick one where the VHF or >> BFW, the old BFW.

[00:16:21]>> Okay, that would be the place.

[00:16:23]>> Okay. Um, what time did you guys leave there?

[00:16:27]>> No idea. I started having heart trouble on the way back.

[00:16:31]>> Was the Packer game done?

[00:16:32]>> Yeah, I think it was just getting done.

[00:16:35]>> Okay. Did you have anything to drink tonight?

[00:16:37]>> Nope.

[00:16:38]>> Okay. Can you drink with your meds >> or you just don't drink at all? I'm just I'm just curious.

[00:16:44]>> No, I do not drink.

[00:16:46]>> Okay. You must do a lot of herbs or like uh incense. I smell that.

[00:16:51]>> That's over there.

[00:16:52]>> Okay.

[00:16:52]>> This is the new one that I found in a box over there.

[00:16:55]>> Okay.

[00:17:02]>> So, you just met Jolie tonight then?

[00:17:05]>> Yep.

[00:17:05]>> Okay. Was Sammy with you guys tonight?

[00:17:07]>> No.

[00:17:07]>> No. So, it was you, Jolie, Big Tim, was Little Tim with you guys?

[00:17:13]>> Yep.

[00:17:13]>> Okay. Anybody else?

[00:17:15]>> Nope.

[00:17:16]>> Play pool.

[00:17:18]>> Um, so the Packer game was completely done.

[00:17:22]>> It was just getting done. I think >> just getting done.

[00:17:24]>> I'm not quite sure. I just remember cuz I was standing too much. My back was hurting. I just did not want to play pool at all. I just wanted to get out of there. Tim's like, "No, you got to stay."

[00:17:35]Okay.

[00:17:36]>> And so I was just irritated and wanted to get home.

[00:17:42]>> Okay.

[00:17:45]>> And then he decided he wanted to go down to Gary's again. And I'm like, >> did he did he go down to Gary's?

[00:17:50]>> Yeah. And I said, "You're on your own."

[00:17:52]>> Did Jolie go with him or >> Yeah. And then >> where did little Tim go?

[00:17:56]>> He went to bed. Okay.

[00:17:58]>> And then so I came over here and then after a while I just I'm going to go over and check see if I made it back.

[00:18:05]walked in the door and that was it.

[00:18:07]>> So, right when you walk in the door, like the bed's right there or something?

[00:18:10]>> No, they were in the kitchen or living room >> like on the couch.

[00:18:13]>> Yep.

[00:18:14]>> So, like how is his apartment lined up?

[00:18:17]Similar to yours kind of or no?

[00:18:18]>> No.

[00:18:19]>> No, >> it's different.

[00:18:20]>> Like when you walk in the door, what do you what's the first thing you see?

[00:18:22]>> Kitchen.

[00:18:23]>> Kitchen. And then you got walk.

[00:18:26]>> Kitchen straight ahead. Or the living room straight ahead.

[00:18:28]>> Kitchen straight ahead to the side.

[00:18:30]>> Okay.

[00:18:31]>> Bathroom. And then living room. And then bedrooms off to the side. Just one bedroom.

[00:18:35]>> Yeah, they're both one bedrooms.

[00:18:38]>> Stop it. I take it that's your bedroom then.

[00:18:39]>> Yep.

[00:18:40]>> So, kind of opposite of yours, but the kitchen's here, living room's here, bedroom's over here.

[00:18:46]>> Yeah.

[00:18:46]>> Okay. The bathroom's over here, too, then.

[00:18:48]>> Your bathroom's right here.

[00:18:49]>> Bathroom's right there.

[00:18:50]>> But on yours here, his is over here.

[00:18:52]>> Yeah. His are on the opposite side of mine >> or on the back side of mine.

[00:18:56]>> Okay.

[00:18:57]Um, so you walk over, you do you knock or just walk right in?

[00:19:04]>> I just walk in.

[00:19:06]>> You guys, >> that's how we do it.

[00:19:08]>> Okay. Um, and you come around the corner and they're on the couch or on the floor or what?

[00:19:15]>> He's on the floor kneeling in front of her eating her.

[00:19:19]>> Okay.

[00:19:25]What is your her eyes open? Are they closed?

[00:19:29]>> They were open.

[00:19:30]>> Okay. Was she saying anything or moaning or was it fear, pleasure?

[00:19:37]>> I don't know. I didn't quite grasp that.

[00:19:43]But you there's not anything else that he's going to be doing down there.

[00:19:47]>> Correct.

[00:19:48]>> That's like his favorite thing to do. I mean, >> what do you mean it's his favorite thing to do?

[00:19:53]>> He likes to eat. Oh my god, this so embarrassing.

[00:20:00]>> Well, I mean, you had to walk in on it.

[00:20:01]You just told me about it, so it's two different things.

[00:20:06]>> So, what'd you feel when you saw that?

[00:20:09]>> Extreme anger.

[00:20:11]>> Okay.

[00:20:14]Then what'd you do?

[00:20:16]>> So, now you're technically in the kitchen then.

[00:20:20]Uh, I don't know what I did first. I don't.

[00:20:46]>> Are you still standing in the kitchen when you walk in then see it though?

[00:20:49]Yeah. I'm I'm like It's like a little entryway and I'm standing there and I see it.

[00:21:12]>> Which hand do you have the knife in right now?

[00:21:15]>> I don't have any navs in my hand.

[00:21:17]>> Not Not right now. But when you're inside the apartment looking at what's going on, >> I had one in each hand.

[00:21:23]>> One in each hand. So you had two?

[00:21:25]>> Yes.

[00:21:26]>> Were they like big steak knives or like big butcher knives?

[00:21:36]>> Are they like the one that he took away?

[00:21:38]>> No. Not a fillet knife like that.

[00:21:40]>> Are they kind of like the ones that are in your little butcher block?

[00:21:46]>> Something similar to that.

[00:21:49]>> Could be.

[00:21:50]>> Okay. Okay. So, you're standing there.

[00:21:53]You had a knife in both hands.

[00:21:56]What if you do that?

[00:22:03]>> I grabbed him by the hair some at some point.

[00:22:08]So, >> so I don't know how I could have anything in my hands when I grabbed him by the hair.

[00:22:11]>> Okay. So, what hand did you grab him by the hair?

[00:22:15]>> I I don't know.

[00:22:17]>> Not sure. Okay. So, okay. So, you're grabbing him by the hair. What did you do next?

[00:22:24]>> I don't Hey, >> I had memory problems to begin with.

[00:22:35]>> Fine. So, could you tell me if >> it comes with age?

[00:22:39]>> They were sitting on the couch, right?

[00:22:41]While she was on the couch and he was what? Kneeling down and then eating her out as you said.

[00:22:47]>> Okay. So, then you grabbed him by the hair.

[00:22:51]>> Yeah.

[00:22:52]>> So, were you standing behind him then?

[00:22:53]>> Yeah.

[00:22:54]>> Okay. Did she say anything when you were standing behind him?

[00:23:02]>> I I don't [ __ ] know. Not sure.

[00:23:09]>> Did he say anything when you grabbed onto his hair?

[00:23:16]>> I don't know.

[00:23:20]>> When you shanked him, were you standing in front of him or were you standing over top of him like when you had his hair?

[00:23:27]>> Would have been behind him, right? Yeah.

[00:23:29]>> I didn't have a knife when I was grabbing him by the hair. I know that much. Okay.

[00:23:34]I think I had them both hand. I have no idea.

[00:23:43]Believe me, I'm trying to get it straight in my head. I'm trying to figure out, okay, what did I do?

[00:23:47]>> Mhm.

[00:23:48]>> Did I really hurt her?

[00:23:51]>> Yes, you did.

[00:24:16]327 status.

[00:24:19]>> You're pretty angry at that point when you walked in there.

[00:24:23]>> Yeah.

[00:24:23]>> Yeah, >> I understand. I mean, how long you guys been together? Like on and off? Like total? Well, we got married seven years ago. He cheated on me and he broke me.

[00:24:34]>> What do you mean broke you?

[00:24:35]>> Uh, emotionally.

[00:24:37]>> Okay.

[00:24:37]>> Oh, baby, I'm not cheating on you. Don't worry. Don't worry. And so, I kept, you know, people like, "Oh, yeah, he's cheating on you." And I' I'd go to him.

[00:24:44]I'd be like, "Just tell me if you want out of this. I'm done. I'm walking away."

[00:24:50]Kept telling him that. He kept lying to me and he done dead broken me.

[00:24:57]And so I had a nerve breakdown, all that good stuff. And finally, I picked up the pieces. It took forever. Then a couple years ago, we started talking again or whatever. And then we just recently decided we were going to get back together.

[00:25:17]>> Like how recently?

[00:25:18]>> Probably about two months ago.

[00:25:21]>> But he's been living here for >> a year.

[00:25:23]>> How How was your relationship when he first moved in here?

[00:25:26]>> Great. Right.

[00:25:28]>> I mean, you guys was it?

[00:25:28]>> We were just friends.

[00:25:29]>> Okay. Not sexual at all.

[00:25:32]>> Within the past two months, it's been sexual again.

[00:25:34]>> Yes.

[00:25:34]>> Okay.

[00:25:36]>> Um, and you guys were going to get that house, the blue house over by hand since then.

[00:25:39]>> Yep.

[00:25:40]>> And when were you guys supposed to move in there?

[00:25:42]>> December.

[00:25:43]>> December.

[00:25:43]>> Well, me and the landlord are still working out all the little details and everything.

[00:25:47]>> Who's the landlord?

[00:25:52]>> Yeah. Um, >> he's supposed to call on Tuesday to tell me if I could have a dog or not.

[00:25:58]>> You have a dog?

[00:25:59]>> No. If I can get one.

[00:26:00]>> Oh, okay. I was say I didn't hear enough there.

[00:26:04]>> I got readjust.

[00:26:05]>> Oh, you're fine.

[00:26:12]Um, >> so you you've never met Jolene until tonight?

[00:26:27]>> And Sammy is his daughter. Crap. Where does Sammy live?

[00:26:34]I went to her crack.

[00:26:39]Wherever. Wherever she can find somewhere to stay.

[00:26:42]>> Where's her drug of choice?

[00:26:44]>> Cocaine.

[00:26:45]>> Cocaine.

[00:26:48]I know.

[00:26:51]How's little Timmy?

[00:26:53]>> He's doing good.

[00:26:56]Well, best can.

[00:27:00]Both parents ignore him. I pretty much take care of him. Watch him every day. Make sure he gets fed. He said that.

[00:27:07]>> He said like you're a mother to him.

[00:27:14]>> Man, I just [ __ ] up and took the one person that actually takes care of him.

[00:27:17]Loves >> 207 at the hospital for >> Yes.

[00:27:24]>> 207 hospital.

[00:27:40]So, should I get my shoes coat?

[00:27:42]>> Not there yet.

[00:27:44]>> Can we shut the door? I'm cold. I'm like freezing here. And >> um I'm going to go grab a camera.

[00:27:52]>> Okay.

[00:27:53]>> Um jeez.

[00:27:57]>> Oh, your camera.

[00:28:00]>> Oh, I forgot to plug it in.

[00:28:01]>> Surprised my internet's dead yet. I'll come back up with it.

[00:28:08]>> You'll be okay.

[00:28:09]>> Yeah, >> I'm not violent towards anybody, but >> it was a whole different situation.

[00:28:21]>> Um, >> normally I'm not mean.

[00:28:27]Well, I mean I when people only >> I normally fight those urges, you know, if I if I get that angry, I fight those urges and I go, "Okay, can't do that."

[00:28:41]>> A lot of people do that. I mean, there's there's certain things, you know, >> everyone.

[00:28:47]>> I lost it.

[00:28:53]>> It >> Oh, I remember him telling me he was going to kill me. He said he was going to kill you.

[00:28:58]>> Yeah. And I said, "I'm ready to go to M Baja." I remember that.

[00:29:01]>> What's that? Majala. What?

[00:29:02]>> I'm ready to go to Mahala.

[00:29:04]>> Bahala? What's that?

[00:29:05]>> Uh pagan uh the gods, you know, Odin and Thor, you know. Okay.

[00:29:13]>> I'm Norwegian.

[00:29:14]>> Okay.

[00:29:15]>> So, yeah, I remember that.

[00:29:23]>> Do you remember what if Jolie said anything to you at all?

[00:29:32]Did little Tim say anything to >> He was sleeping.

[00:29:35]>> Did you see little Tim at all?

[00:29:37]>> Yeah. After Matt, I he came out. I was leaving.

[00:29:55]Remember pushing Tim into the whatever >> Tim Senior.

[00:30:04]>> Yeah.

[00:30:05]>> Push him into what?

[00:30:08]>> The little entertainment center.

[00:30:11]>> Okay.

[00:30:19]I think I was telling her to leave. Run.

[00:30:23]Get out of here.

[00:30:41]Do you have children yourself or No, >> I gave them up cuz I'm a horrible mother.

[00:30:48]>> Why would you say that?

[00:30:50]cuz I don't have the mental capacity to get my kids uh to like Girl Scouts and I'm not don't got money to take them places or do anything with them.

[00:31:04]It's check to check monthto month.

[00:31:06]>> Who's in this picture?

[00:31:08]>> That is me, Noel Percy, which is Tim's niece and her husband, my three daughters and her Noel's son.

[00:31:18]>> Your three daughters? Yeah, my two youngest.

[00:31:21]>> Okay. Where are they now?

[00:31:23]>> Gabriella is in Montana living with her dad and stepmom and two step sisters.

[00:31:28]And Piper and Jinger and foster care.

[00:31:33]>> Which home in Chipa?

[00:31:36]>> Uh Chris, I used to work with him. Really nice guy.

[00:31:44]>> Yeah, he seemed like my girls like him.

[00:31:47]His wife's name is Pam.

[00:31:49]>> Yep. They are getting divorced right now.

[00:31:51]>> Really? Why is that?

[00:31:53]>> She was drinking.

[00:31:56]>> She was drinking.

[00:31:57]>> Mhm.

[00:31:58]>> So, we made her leave.

[00:32:00]>> Okay.

[00:32:01]I know. She The last time I spoke to them, they she had had a really bad accident.

[00:32:11]I believe alcohol induced.

[00:32:15]>> Real good people though.

[00:32:20]I can't believe I just got my [ __ ] together.

[00:32:24]>> No.

[00:32:26]>> Um, are you willing to write a statement of what happened tonight?

[00:32:37]>> Can you do that for me?

[00:32:39]>> If I could remember.

[00:32:40]>> Well, I mean, write what you can remember. You got some paper anywhere? I see a pen there. I have a notebook in my room >> over here.

[00:32:48]>> No, it's it's stack.

[00:32:53]>> Oh, hold on. I got a notebook right here.

[00:32:59]>> Oh, that's a blue one.

[00:33:01]>> Oh, >> case.

[00:33:08]There's a loose leaf paper.

[00:33:11]>> Yeah, I got notebooks in here.

[00:33:12]>> Okay.

[00:33:23]Looks almost dead. Like, >> does it work? cuz I got one if you didn't even 575. Clark, do you have the other 29?

[00:34:28]75 head 43.

[00:34:31]>> Go ahead.

[00:34:33]75 43 2050 to your location.

[00:34:47]>> It's actually a pretty big apartment.

[00:34:50]>> What do you pay for rent here?

[00:34:52]>> 350.

[00:34:53]>> Everything included, too?

[00:34:54]>> No.

[00:34:55]>> No.

[00:34:55]>> Just Well, water's running. Everything.

[00:34:57]>> Well, water here is like liquid gold.

[00:34:59]So, >> yeah. 350 for 3 months. So yeah, >> one that one of our wild barrels was >> 350.

[00:35:09]>> Yeah.

[00:35:10]>> Wow.

[00:35:11]>> Yeah. Like I said, it's gold here.

[00:35:14]That's the one thing I miss about Chipa.

[00:35:16]So >> Oh, you're from Chiplo?

[00:35:18]>> Yep. That's how I know Chris. I used to work with him at uh GNC or Cal Container.

[00:35:27]>> Yeah, that's where I'm from.

[00:35:29]What's your main name then?

[00:35:31]>> What >> is your main name? Liddell.

[00:35:33]>> Liddell. Yes.

[00:35:35]>> John is my cousin.

[00:35:45]>> The was acting chief police for a while.

[00:35:47]>> Yeah.

[00:35:49]>> Wow.

[00:35:51]>> That's your brother?

[00:35:52]>> No.

[00:35:53]>> Oh, brother-in-law.

[00:35:54]>> Distant uncle cousin. I don't even remember which where in the so far removed >> that. Yes, he knows who I am, but he doesn't know who I am.

[00:36:07]>> That's the troublemaker of them.

[00:36:08]Liddell.

[00:36:10]>> Yeah.

[00:36:11]>> Uh, what's mom and dad's name?

[00:36:13]>> Ralph Liddell. He died 2000. And Connie Liddell, toxic egg donor.

[00:36:23]>> Why do you call toxic?

[00:36:27]cuz she she is a horrible mother.

[00:36:31]>> Huh?

[00:36:32]>> She hated me from the age of five when my dad cheated on her.

[00:36:36]>> Oh, okay.

[00:36:37]>> And it was everything was my fault from that day forward.

[00:36:41]>> So, you're 45?

[00:36:44]>> Mhm.

[00:36:44]>> What year did you graduate?

[00:36:46]>> I was supposed to be graduated in 92. You know my sister.

[00:36:56]What school did you go to? High.

[00:36:58]>> You know my sister Tanya.

[00:37:00]>> Tanya.

[00:37:02]>> Yes, I do.

[00:37:02]>> Yeah, that's my sister. Half sister.

[00:37:18]>> What day is the date?

[00:37:19]>> Today is now the 28th.

[00:37:22]Of course I Yes. 28th, Monday.

[00:37:52]Go ahead.

[00:38:05]Does he like bush light?

[00:38:07]>> Mhm.

[00:38:12]>> Watermelon watermelon.

[00:38:18]>> Well, now with that white cloth stuff, you got to double check to make sure it's not alcohol water.

[00:38:25]>> Oh, yeah. I got a couple of those little whatever they are, >> but I haven't drank any of them.

[00:38:38]>> So, what type of meds do you take for your heart?

[00:38:41]>> Um, I just take nitro when its up too bad.

[00:38:47]>> Take any other meds for like blood pressure or anything like that? Nothing like that?

[00:38:54]I stopped taking everything after I left Chipwa.

[00:38:59]Just everything made me feel funny and I stopped taking my psychotropic meds I used to take.

[00:39:05]>> Which ones are those?

[00:39:07]>> Proac.

[00:39:10]>> Mhm.

[00:39:11]>> So when did you move to this area?

[00:39:14]>> I've lived here many times.

[00:39:16]>> Oh, I think they have you as like a Bush Road address.

[00:39:22]about there too.

[00:39:24]My sister knows right now.

[00:39:43]You have a lot of knives.

[00:39:47]These ones right here. Mhm. Okay.

[00:39:51]I've had a few few abusive boyfriends.

[00:39:53]>> I see that.

[00:39:57]>> Um I'm going to put them on in front. Okay.

[00:40:01]>> Yeah, cuz putting them on back. Oh, can you put them down on the bottom of the stairs cuz I can't walk with >> Okay, we can do that.

[00:40:09]>> Yeah.

[00:40:12]>> You want lights off?

[00:40:13]>> Yeah. Um >> what this?

[00:40:16]>> I want the door lock though. Do you have to lock it from inside or outside?

[00:40:19]>> No, but I want I'm sure you guys want your evidence or whatever. My clothes.

[00:40:24]>> Do you have your clothes?

[00:40:25]>> Yes. They're on the far side of the bed.

[00:40:28]They're the black shirt.

[00:40:38]>> Where are they?

[00:40:39]>> They're on the floor.

[00:40:40]>> Right here.

[00:40:41]>> No. Or >> Yeah, right here.

[00:40:46]>> Okay. Yeah, those >> in the bed.

[00:40:50]>> Okay, I'll I'll have to have them. Sorry about that. I'll have to have >> That's fine. I just want the >> This is what you were wearing.

[00:40:57]>> Yeah.

[00:40:58]>> Okay. Did you shower afterwards?

[00:41:00]>> I just cleaned up quick cuz >> Yep.

[00:41:06]>> Okay.

[00:41:11]>> Okay. We'll get you on your way. Okay.

[00:41:14]>> Okay.

[00:41:19]Turn the lights off.

[00:41:20]>> Yep.

[00:41:20]>> Yep. We'll get all that taken care of.

[00:41:22]Okay.

[00:41:47]Which of these are the original stairs?

[00:42:09]Shannon Little was sentenced to 6 years in prison followed by 7 years of extended supervision. Both stabbing victims were treated at the hospital and recovered from their injuries.